phf: asciilifeform: your blog renderer throws a space after < in -- Less-Than part (which is not in the patch)
phf: b579b2c553ee2bd3aee8d17d96ae259abfad2ac5 (sha1 of my solution for ascii's puzzle)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 06:43 phf: asciilifeform: your blog renderer throws a space after < in -- Less-Than part (which is not in the patch)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 04:51 mircea_popescu: then once that's established "fish in the sad patches bin" can go into the "how to participate" list
shinohai: I fully intend to report on my results with patch after all this holiday nonsense is over.
shinohai: Why have I never seen this gem before?
https://woz-u.com/ "Woz U provides a personalized approach to coding and tech education designed to get you through the curriculum faster so that you can get into the workforce quicker, and start changing the world."
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 14:46 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757842 << the wp 'code' plugin is massive headache, i've been fighting it since ch1 . ( e.g in ch4 i had to replace the " in ('"') with a similar-looking uniturd, because double-escape is apparently impossible )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what did you use for say & ? replaced with & ? in which case does " work for " ?
mircea_popescu: better escape everything than special-escape some and then be stranded.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
mircea_popescu: correct module shall be written under the whip and in no other place.
mircea_popescu: they have this in bdsm too, you know, rabid idiots doing "scenes", where they pretend like they're doing it.
mircea_popescu: authentic fear in the sweat and authentic blood on the instruments or no dice.
mircea_popescu: well, in typical manner of usgtronic cargocultism, they pretend to themselves as a captive audience that they've embraced&extended successfully.
mircea_popescu: but hey, by now the stuff of "bitcoin is backed by nothing, stick to dollars" is well stale i'd guess.
mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely sure stalin was capable. you see, the buffett mind, "i'm a smart conservative peasant", which seems to my eyes to be what stalin (or for that matter ro hatman) was struggling towards dun work for conceptual worlds.
mircea_popescu: because there's not so much conceptual within peasant ancestral experience.
mircea_popescu: this follows from the definition of terms, if you manage to find a domain outside of the view of the whip therefore you escaped.
mircea_popescu: which isn't nearly as fortunate a happy occurence as the fantasy-mind imagines from within ; but anyway
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is that ; but not reliably, hence soviet alt-genetics.
mircea_popescu: smart man. do you see however how this is STRICTLY equivalent to slavegirl going "master, this spot, this spot doesn't hurt like the others, hit it harder."
mircea_popescu: ie, deliberately contrived to extend whip reach for herself.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, the fantasy-mind. "wouldn't chocolate be better ?"
mircea_popescu: no, committee is very strictly dedicated to failing on the h bomb or anything else.
mircea_popescu: it is an outgrowth of socialist fantasy, specifically constructed to deliver on the constructed impotence of socialism.
mircea_popescu: there's some log discussion of why nothing must ever happen.
mircea_popescu: i've engineered hell for myself here, "it's either in the log or on the blog" yes tyvm
mircea_popescu: yes, but this isn't it ; i'd have thought it'd have ecology in it because i recall the link being made, but also no dice.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 19:27 mircea_popescu: that is after all the point, neh, to somehow get as large a headcount as possible through the various gates (born, college, credit cards, mortgage, retirement hgome etc) WITHOUT "harming the environment" which in any practical sesne means... without changing anything.
mircea_popescu: this is the "day at nuke power station". and "boys will be boys" ie someone ACTUALLY DOING something is exactly the worst fucking nightmare.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-11 17:05 asciilifeform: they have a phrase they use amongst themselves, 'societal security'.
mircea_popescu: legendarily, ceausescu visited best korea at some point, came back inspired with "Great Juche-like Ideas" [evidently claimed as independent, because all peasants are mormon smith] ;
mircea_popescu: factually, however, ustardian pantsuit visited africa [the nation of~] where they discovered that all-girl classes are a lot easier for the local subtards to handle than mixed classes they had at home
mircea_popescu: (because who are the writer-in-ny fantasies foolong, 100% of pantsuit were going into teaching)
mircea_popescu: matches observed experience perfectly -- suddenly ghetto empty of males. then... "manspreading".
mircea_popescu: heck, they were even bitching about how euro cyclotron MIGHT ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING, recall ?
mircea_popescu: 100% africanism, and it's what the "peace corps" was for
mircea_popescu: in the end it might turn out that vhs-america aborted itself because it listened to a bunch of mediocre women that just wanted an easy time teaching highschool ; but couldn't come out with it because puritan perversion.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 15:07 asciilifeform: // Ask this guy to fill in what we're missing
mircea_popescu: i don't see any change in behaviour. the prb node will produce ~same % of blocks with or without.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: iirc hanbot was using it to do something trilema-related, sounded happy with it.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-07 23:12 asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu at the time said that the thing really oughta eat a programmable set of checkpoint
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 04:03 trinque: same idiots that all type "h" to each other, line noise for brain.
a111: Logged on 2016-03-16 11:07 mircea_popescu: which, ungenerously enough, seems just a step away from the breakdown specific to shitholes like argentina, where people altogether don't even comprehend words are in any sense meaningful, above and beyond the chirping captive populations of chickens do to reassure each other.
mircea_popescu: but honestly i'd prioritize db-fix-and-trb-split discussed over these rather cosmetic by comparison improvements.
mircea_popescu: something small and desperately needed like better logs i can see ; but by now you're talking painting walls and such
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, v-tronization of blockchain is unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, the replacement-pistols will simply be a patch set.
mircea_popescu: and no more of this "monotonously growing" nonsense. whole item as large as will ever be is given at onset.
mircea_popescu: allocate it all now ; if you can't afford to make smaller coinbase.
mircea_popescu: "new bitcoin has 1mn coins ; which can not be split ; to move a coin from nill address to your address you must [...] ; to move a coin from x address to y address you must [...]".
mircea_popescu: the whole field array-addresable, "coin #58045 is at... offset... 58045. duh."
mircea_popescu: nobody asks this ; but anyway, if bitcoin prototyping is any guide, 1kb per entry should suffice ; in which case current computing could in principle actually support a coinset between 1mn and 1bn coins.
mircea_popescu: (way way WAY worse than original optimistic estimates of "21mn divisible to 1e8". but what can you do.)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 05:56 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i am very curious in how you figure initial distribution might work
mircea_popescu: anyway, evidently the first [...] stands for what's currently termed "mining" while the second for actual spending.
mircea_popescu: so if nothing else, you can bootstrap it exactly like bitcoin did.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 16:22 mircea_popescu: anwyay, revisiting an ancient conversation re
http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mining+is+a+bug : i have to thoroughly concede this point to asciilifeform . the model is as follows : if a) a PoW system exists in which b) a participating entity can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others then it NECESSARILY follow that entity can, and therefore it ALSO follows that it eventually will c) impose further con
mircea_popescu: (in fact it is perhaps obvious that was designed with a view to THIS, rather than "extant battlefield")
mircea_popescu: nobody can know WHO truly authored a patch. just what set of the signatories signed it that they're willing to share with him
mircea_popescu: this is a sort of gossipd-meets-the original "can't have signature repudiation" problem you encountered in comments there, but REVERSED.
mircea_popescu: ie, it's leveraged to fuck over the miner collusion properties of current pow.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's model this. let "patch" be a bitfield ; let wot be comprised of l1...ln.
mircea_popescu: let observer E know l1...li of this wot. let observer E observe a P signed by a subset l1...lm of his wot.
mircea_popescu: at this point, how would E discern which party of l1..ln originated P ?
mircea_popescu: at t0, E produces P and signs it. E shares P signed by E with l1...lm.
mircea_popescu: at t1, E perceives P', signed by l1...lk ; which is not an isomorphism of l1...lm, and might wel lnot even include E
mircea_popescu: see, the SELECTION of .sigs you see is not promised to cover the whole space!
mircea_popescu: much like "you can't repudiate signatures -- can't see whole space" discussion in that thread.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you propose E's "process of elimination" is simple bit-comparison of P and P' ?
mircea_popescu: but in point of fact the hook to hang by is there : at the present time how would someone who is hostile (ie, does not trust what we say) discern who originated mpi ?
mircea_popescu: "especially because it agrees with logotron time oracles". sure...
mircea_popescu: an evident issue would be of course that if ownership is implemented as-to-specified-coin as seen in bitcoin, then E has a ready avenue -- "all txn including spends from my own addresses are mine". this is a somewhat weakening of the premise, but perhaps sufficient.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's that prove tho ? winklevoss tards periodically go into their basement/den where they "have" "their own" copy of fb.
mircea_popescu: or that weird geek from early pedo-pedia days, what's his name
a111: Logged on 2017-03-02 16:31 asciilifeform: it is worth recalling the gedankenexperiment where it turns out that all you'd need to build 'martian bank' on earth, is if martians merely supplied an infallible 'martian clock', a service whereby they take a string S , at regular, say, daily, interval, and return its hash H
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: sorry, asciilifeform. i was focused on the logbot part, forgot about the ircbot and to update documentation.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 16:46 asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque what do you recommend for a talking-in-chan bot-tron ? i'd like to hook up 'ffacalc'...
ben_vulpes: anyways i must have an extra-thick layer of prb, as my node has found precisely one block in the past three hours
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: one thing i do with logbot is to use postgres as a queue so that a background worker can do all of the thinking and crashing without thrashing the irc connection
ben_vulpes: this one block took me from 813 to 814
trinque: ben_vulpes: do you by chance have an active connection to 172.86.178.46 ? or did in past ?
trinque: a complicating factor of me testing the version string is that while ahead, I may be feeding other TRBs, while not, not.
trinque: I'm 60some blocks behind nao.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the same thought occurred to me
ben_vulpes: i have another kiestered that i may as well unload at the same time, hash untrunculation
trinque: be nice if the person fixing logging takes out the idiot printf macro
trinque: I dunno a linux on earth that can't log the direct output of a service
trinque: what we have now is some snowflake saying "no but this is what printf means to me"
ben_vulpes: lol that's right it comes out of SetBestChain
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 17:46 ben_vulpes: dude this is epic, girl would rather talk about calendar offsets than earn a bitcent an hour reading the log
a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 17:22 weevlos: 2) thats only close to a month of operations budget
mircea_popescu: (for bonus lulz, 12795/30/24 = 17.770833333 or roughly speaking 10 to the bitcent.)
deedbot: BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
BigTexasBingo: Did you know, Montevideo can be even more tranquilo
BigTexasBingo: Also, congratulations on the acceleration progress
BigTexasBingo: The feria was more crowded than los domingos pasados, but most other places closed
BigTexasBingo: Perhaps the foundation could use some prb/trb bridges on boxen running both after the acceleration experiments bring more fruit.
BigTexasBingo: For serious though, how lucky am I that no other lord in the big prison has made their escape here yet
BigTexasBingo: Every single food better than it's closest US equivalent. Eye candy everywhere.
BigTexasBingo: Where will the other lords land in this era of Great Again
deedbot: Hssgh5337k voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: and to quote BigTexasBingo, the time for showing up and derping around without saying "i am so and so, and should be considered for inclusion in the forum for reasons of x y and z" was in 2013, not the tail end of 2017.
ben_vulpes: come 2020 if not sooner, it'll be "and i beg your consideration".
BigTexasBingo: Terminal secured for Navidad, BingoBoingo returns el 26 or if emergency appears in log
Hssgh5337k: In that case it seems my skills and opinions are not needed here.
ben_vulpes: Hssgh5337k: you could at least mention these skills; otherwise it reeks of "i'm a magical pony and YOU DON'T UNDERSTAAAAND"
ben_vulpes: and no, opinions don't exist here if they don't come from *a person*, which is predicated on an identity.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 20:11 BigTexasBingo: Every single food better than it's closest US equivalent. Eye candy everywhere.
ben_vulpes: traveling through the suburban wastelands yesterday, i tried a 'starbucks' croissant for lols, thinking to myself, 'imagine if they can screw up the croissant'. and lo, it was terrible. no flake, all soft spongiform inside.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 17:59 mircea_popescu: NOW, the first, and naive, thought, would be "o noes, all those poor but intelligent engineer minds who will lose their freenode ; we should try to help them"
ben_vulpes: and they need a next gen authentication framework to fix it...
ben_vulpes running truncation patch, will get back in the saddle after misc duties of parenting while impoverished
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> iirc hanbot was using it to do something trilema-related, sounded happy with it. << yeah, i'm working on setting it up with a (partial in all senses) trilema post index, see if it makes finding posts in chan easier since google is ~useless for it. trinque's ircbot as posted has been a joy.
ben_vulpes: how many power rangers did you kill today...
mircea_popescu: and mind all ye of the "aspirational" demographic, all ye dumb pantsuited hussies : the sword keeps right on cutting after it cut the slice you wanted.
mircea_popescu: i know it seemed all great and fabulous back when deskilling brought about abominables a la condolezza rice as "secretary of state" notwithstanding strict incapacity of any sort of thinking
mircea_popescu: but the same drive to ever cheapen the soviet's offerings to the zek ("only political training contributes to forwarding teh revolution!! everything else contributes to costs!!!" said teh world famous elena ceausescu-zigglar) will cheapen the very rug from under your feet also.
mircea_popescu: 2020 "young writer for the ny times" ain't gonna be 1950s ginsburg, as it ain't gonna be 1970s mia farrow. it's gonna be fungusbrain bigmomma.
mircea_popescu: when you worship your betters you ensure your place in the world, ~such as it is~. when you worship clitler you get nice words and utter doom.
mircea_popescu: it was important, to limit the derp nodes from choking the network.
mircea_popescu: (if node is behind nat -- it is a drag and naught else)
ben_vulpes: i don't quite see the connection between NATed nodes and this max outbound connections constraint, could you elaborate?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yeah i pulled the trigger on that excision along with the hash truncation, see the ml
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes suppose your relay network is 100 nodes ; suppose 10 of those are real nodes and 90 of those bullshit nodes behind a nat in a zek's house somewhere.
mircea_popescu: with the limit of 8, you have the 10 receiving no more than 720 connections, ie 7.2 on average, with a linear distrib max of 15 ? so you can live a standard of "and can handle 16 conns" for a "proper" box
mircea_popescu: if that limit is not there, you can readily encounter a situation where one of the 10 is taken down every other hour by 90 inbound connections. or at least -- more readily.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 20:40 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758167 << ro was like this. to the point that even nao neither asciilifeform nor his pet can bring themselves to eat at american 'coffee' shops any moar. at all.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 20:45 ben_vulpes: traveling through the suburban wastelands yesterday, i tried a 'starbucks' croissant for lols, thinking to myself, 'imagine if they can screw up the croissant'. and lo, it was terrible. no flake, all soft spongiform inside.
ben_vulpes: why do the NAT node connections threaten to take down realnodes?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 21:22 asciilifeform: evidently world's largest, fastest spam isp, whod'vethunkit!11, is banned even on fleanode.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes a node behind a NAT is not capable of being addressed. so it receives no inbound, merely connects out. so it does not participate in lessening the load.
mircea_popescu: this is the problem here : you get a bunch of "nodes" which only connect out, and a few nodes who get hammered. and since no serious thought was given to
ben_vulpes: ah and when its ip gets passed around the network, it simply shits the whole world up.
mircea_popescu: recall we had a discussion re star breaking nat crapolade. but you need the stars and a system specifically designed to use them, as there contemplate
mircea_popescu: myeah. anyway, stopgap of the "if i make it what i think it should be -- it crashes" line.
ben_vulpes: well the question rattling around me braincase is ~"does this help or hinder weaponized TRB?"
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to have it in the press, esp considering the history of how that came about. but as obvious knob as it gets.
ben_vulpes: that bitmashing against the ip makes my head hurt.
ben_vulpes: does it? does it really? what the fuck does work even mean here.
mircea_popescu: it'll be cool when they "upgrade" it to ipv6 and the 000ffff mask will have to be updated to correctly handle unicode.
mircea_popescu: that's just because you're lazy. real men always work with tools designed to work counterproductivelty and maim them in the process.
mircea_popescu: "Whats weird though is that the OAuth2 token doesnt ever change, and I cant find anything in the Uber developer documentation that deals with token expiration;" << word.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you (or anybody) has a contact for this gregory pery tard (i dun imagine totallynotrobots@protonmail.com actually works ?), maybe point out to him that
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758148 and it's really ridoinculous to be wasting his weeks to freely support the usg pile of evil ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i actually already emailed him
mircea_popescu: i'm curious what flavour of muh feelings gets pulled this time.
ben_vulpes: but judging from how the biofilm uses symbols instead of thinking i rather expect that the protonmail address is read
mircea_popescu: hardest thing to look at is how you wasted your life, halfway in. so, yeah.
mircea_popescu: fuck 'em, the salvation of the drowning is work for the hands of the self-same drowning. god may mercifully send you a sign, but that's already asking for too much.
ben_vulpes: god sent him a sign, what's he going to do with it.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 21:35 ben_vulpes: absurdly common
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 21:38 asciilifeform: also why wouldja 1) help hitler 2) for $ 500 3) that you'd have to suffer from down's syndrome to actually believe will be paid ...?
ben_vulpes: also it is *snowing* on *christmas eve* in the northern suburbs of the socialist paradise
mircea_popescu: nobody will note nor should they. why does it need renaming ?
ben_vulpes: otherwise v.pl won't recognize it as a seal.
ben_vulpes: let's try again: i misnamed the seal for the truncation patch, must have "ben_vulpes" in the last period-delimited field of the seal name instead of "ben_vules"
danielpbarron: in his defense, you'd have to rename it anyway as the mailing list adds the sha sum to the filename
mircea_popescu: for teh first time in many weeks, i dunno what to say.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yeah, not too crazy about that behaviour either.
danielpbarron: i know this was discussed already but i don't see how the sha in the url helps, or for that matter posting sums in chan. if the enemy is gonna swap out the file he can swap out the hash too right?
mircea_popescu: separate items. i think the sha was in the ml name to prevent collisions ;
mircea_popescu: it's in the channel as an ad-hoc thing, "this person is voiced atm, if that's worth anything to you". not intended to prove anything to archeologists.
ben_vulpes: pflol well after excising max_outbound_connections and the one-connection-per-block connection count now at 114 and node very quickly got back up to date
ben_vulpes: there's ~no way that the timeout requestment has fired yet
shinohai: So shinohai managed to acquire decent hotel room on Xmas eve in old hometown .... and has a curious fake plant that resembles marijuana sitting in corner.
shinohai: gimmie a moment .... shitty fone
ben_vulpes: lol what kind of unholy fascimilie is that
shinohai: I have no idea, these things are located all over the building. I like the place though, beats the shit out of LaQuinta Inn or whatever.
deedbot: KutmasteR voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque wonders when the republic shall revive saturnalia
trinque: wine floweth, pants on head, masters serving slaves, carnival riot
trinque: anyhow, whichever one cracks the wine bottles in your house, enjoy it.
ben_vulpes: and eyy, just caught a block before blockchain.info
mircea_popescu: trinque i just got to watch like 4 or 5 different fireworks displays.
trinque: mircea_popescu: lovely, any holiday worth a shit has explosions.
ben_vulpes: is there an argument to be made against asking peers for new blocks every time TRB loops through the peerlist? too resource-intensive?
shinohai: Dunno what others think, but I would prefer this as a knob to turn on/off
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that could in theory be once and never after for long-running and stable connections
ben_vulpes: shinohai: howabout a timeout knob? every <configurable> minutes after the last block, pushgetblocks to all peers?
shinohai: That's a good idea too ... timeout knob.
mircea_popescu: "every 10 minutes pushgetblocks to all peers that advertise higher height than yours" is still wasteful, you will ask 114 people for the same item with your new cuts.
mircea_popescu: how about "pushgetblock to ONE peer randomly selected from the list of peers advertising higher block tip than you have upon every block verification (whether successful or not) and every 10 minutes henceforth"
mircea_popescu: then the "10" can be configurable ; or else it can be calculated by the node, (such as "117% of average time it took me to check the past 144 blocks" for instance)
ben_vulpes: i'll have to look into how block height is advertised but that makes sense mircea_popescu
deedbot: BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
BigTexasBingo: Hola, shit latino navidad has a fuckton of fireworks
ben_vulpes: wowee, when i reload blockchain.info first it shows one number for how long a block's been advertised and then shortly thereafter, another number indicating they've known about it for longer than they said at first!
ben_vulpes: the magic of javascript! you can decide what world you live in!
danielpbarron: what's the difference? maybe they report the time they initially saw it but don't list till it's verified
danielpbarron: i've noticed a few times my node saw a block before bc.i but they end up listing it before mine verifies
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: first the page renders with 500918: 12, then five seconds later 500918 now apparently has an age of 13 minutes
ben_vulpes: yeah, and this is true of all their listed blocks
ben_vulpes: i imagine there's some "isomorphic backend rendering" node black magic horseshit going on behind the scenes
jhvh1: BigTexasBingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13780.74, vol: 17506.11025523 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 13249.0, vol: 67456.67368532 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 13557.1, vol: 3304.87907432 | Volume-weighted last average: 13365.9956466
ben_vulpes: anyways, my node is now either fourteen or fifteen minutes behind bc.i depending on how their javascript feels, so perhaps there's nothing to this aggression after all, sorry to disappoint BigTexasBingo
BigTexasBingo: Don't read to much into the words, follow the laughing and you're in.
mircea_popescu: it's a complicated topic, ben_vulpes ; do not expect "this one weird trick" cures.
mircea_popescu: solid and patient improvements towards the right thing ; but preferably after db fix & client split as discussed.
BigTexasBingo: Could be the most practical trilema piece of the year that one. Utilized in meatspace so soon after publication.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: am looking more for "open throttle to max airflow" knob than holographic stickers to increase hp
ben_vulpes: in other random lols: 2017-12-25_02:27:44.00324 version message: version 70013, blocks=0
mircea_popescu: did he ever answer to why is he such a despicable piece of shit ?
mircea_popescu: or is this alt-world where we never have to confront uncomfortable truths.
ben_vulpes: all worlds outside #trilema are the alt-world