mircea_popescu: phf back in her younger days chet held open kitchen for the girls of the neighbourhood + some foster kids ; because she could cook, and wasn't an idiot - which was more than could be said about the respective girls' mothers/grandmothers.
mircea_popescu: the list of things modern derp doesn't realise could do because never had opportunity to find out is long indeed.
mircea_popescu: phf "for a thousand dollars i make my own hole". who cares what exists in english ? MAKE it. Pizdanutsya = cuntilized or w/e.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, if one googles for argentina's writer's union, the only result is BOXING writers union. that's it.
mircea_popescu: they got borges, and that's good enough. what if he's president for life of an item that doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: "President of the Argentine Society of Writers and as Professor of English and American Literature at the Argentine Association of English Culture"
mircea_popescu: the entire western canon, 1966-2016, is a fabrication. the entire fucking thing. not "global warming" or "smoking kills" or "rape on campuses" or "barack obama, scholar" or whatnot other pinpoint nonsensical "movements". not even "environmentalism" or "feminism" or you know, "war on" this or that.
mircea_popescu: condolezza rice was literate, carly fiorina was an exemplary woman, blablabla in the exact same sense elliot rodgers was a supreme gentleman "descended of aristocracy".
shinohai: And so that is the end of Alibaba and the 40 thieves.
shinohai: *Alibaba and the 4 moon-thieves
mircea_popescu shudders at the hamplanet problem china is prolly hatching
BingoBoingo: lol, anyways apparently southpark season 20 started this week. I am still lolling at their "member berries" wordplay
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: shinohai i can't help but notice the fascination with this mysterios ceo figure in the usg.pinoy dept.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's supposed to be "funny" ; the only problem being that cancerous fags can't possibly be funny. not no matter how hard they try ; not just because they try too hard.
BingoBoingo: But funny things can happen to them. Like when the token trophy Muslim Hillary advisor got cucked by her man's sexts to all the twitter pr0n spammers.
mod6: I watched it lastnight, was lmao.
mod6: hahah, i wont spoil the choice quotes for anyone.
shinohai: something like that. he is involved with fsociety surely
mod6: lol, except i hate python
mod6: thestringpuller: saw your blog post btw yesterday. yeeaaaaaaaah.
shinohai curses eulora for consuming his entire day yesterday
mod6: it's great isn't it?
mircea_popescu: shinohai you know once you get half decent at the metagame you don't have to baby it. i spend about 10-20 minutes a day changing bot diapers is all.
mircea_popescu: but of course to get there gotta put some study in to climb teh curve.
mircea_popescu: 443 + 44 flotsam, 120+6 spicy moss ; 112 + 142 boulders, bout a hundred wpl, cr, some dcs, wwb etc. since ~this time yest.
shinohai: danielpbarron would be proud of me going all the way back and dragging table with loot in penance
mircea_popescu: which incidentally... it really makes me chuckle at the predicament of "AAA" studios. so first, they make a broken game (broken here defined as, not-neutral state-evolution-graph) ; because their game is broken, they have to forbid bots - not just in form, but in practice. then if they don't manage to forbid them too efficiently they die everquest/diablo 3 style, inflation. but if they do manage to forbid them, they die like
mircea_popescu: wow / eve / etc : people go through the early game, master it, then can't move on to the logical next phase so they just quit. so now AAA studio is forced to salvage broken game that broke their playerbase through... oh shit, incentives. ie, inflation, ie, "we'll give you free level 60 characters". because guess what, the inflation was actually better than death, and their success at doing what they wanted to do (prevent bots
mircea_popescu: !), inasmuch as they wanted to something stupid, turns out to be contrary to what they... ~actually~ wanted to do.
mircea_popescu: yet somehow this inept cycle of self-effacement does NOT enlighten their stupid heads that yo! what we thought was the problem couldn't have possibly been the problem, seeing how the better we fix it, the worse things get! and then we have to circumvolutedly revert the very fix!
mircea_popescu: not to mention that what we thought is the goal can't possibly be the goal! so how about we stop with the shit and do things right.
mircea_popescu: but oh, no, none of that. thousands of derps all "know", in the sense of being wrong in the same way ; and borges is President of the Argentine Society of Writers.
diana_coman: shinohai> danielpbarron would be proud of me going all the way back and dragging table with loot in penance <- wait, did you do it *manually*?
shinohai: yeah because i forgot the proper way the first time :/
mircea_popescu: btw shinohai you wanna dig up a buncha ords for me ? or did you level building already ?
shinohai: i go *all the way back* and thankfully loot is still floating in the air
shinohai: yeah mircea_popescu when i get client fired up we'll chat
mircea_popescu: shinohai also, you got that bridge bot going right ? iirc that was a mn ecu for you ?
shinohai: not yet, it is too crude to run
shinohai: i have been so focused on getting controls to behave lol
trinque: the piece is called "America"
mircea_popescu: i dunno man... at ~1k usd / cc... a toilet's pretty bulky.
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, gold is very dense. a coffee mug full of gold is easily 2x the yearly income of the mug's owner
ben_vulpes: in other strange, my trb node is currently sitting on 9756 VIRT, and has an entire core completely pegged.
peterl: some of us have it in our head instead of on wall
peterl: maybe someday I write script to dig through logs and archive shit
mircea_popescu: 00007fd9b506c000 5972292K rwx-- [ anon ] << what's in there ?
ben_vulpes: this is a dark and unfamiliar corner of linux to me
mircea_popescu: well, gdb should let you see it. the prefix there is the address
mircea_popescu: generally you should be able to open /proc/pid/mem as a normal unix file.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'd have to restart the process to get data out of valgrind, right?
ben_vulpes: well compiled in, i still hafta restart the process
ben_vulpes: curious to see what's in there while it's live.
trinque: ben_vulpes: go back in time and compile in the instrumenter before this happened!
ben_vulpes: yaok i'll accept that the engine room needs a new dial.
mircea_popescu: in the sad story of exactly this, the first time i ran new eulora client, it crashed. i've bee nrunning it in gdb ever since, has not crashed since. 5 weeks!
mircea_popescu: i'll give up and run it plain one day, at which point...
ben_vulpes: memory use aside, is the 100% cpu use symptomatic of blackholing, asciilifeform ?
ben_vulpes: right, k. and when it's verifying a block, does it typically go entirely unresponsive to rpc commands?
ben_vulpes: this *should* be a transient affair though wtf
ben_vulpes: ya well that is categorically not the case for this node.
ben_vulpes: until ~last night the thing was tracking the chain tip like a bloodhound.
ben_vulpes: oh that's lulzeriffic, the processblock log lines don't get timestamped?
ben_vulpes: log is 72619592 lines long, last accepted block was at 72529974
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the native logging of prb are fascinatingly bad.
phf: `card.freenode.net * a111 "Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable"` well then...
mircea_popescu: and in other news, hot damn it's great watching girls work out.
mircea_popescu: best enjoyed with a sammich, after you're done watching girls do dishes.
mircea_popescu: i think it shall be called a watcharium from now on. wtf "harem" bs.
mod6: you can't fuck 100% of the time. there's some division there. like 70% watch, 30% fuck.
mod6: hey, some division, some multipication.
phf: right, but apparently normally this comes in as a err_nicknameinuse message, now it's err_unavailableresources
phf: there are more things in heaven and earth, horatio
phf: by the end of this exercise we're going to all have the total sum of all the hacks that are in eggdrop, indepedently rediscovered
mircea_popescu: windows style error handling is, "whatever error we recieve reboot"
trinque: but doesn't help if there are myriad cases one must use ghost
trinque: could I suppose just aggressively ghost each time
mircea_popescu: in other news, cockroaches are more robust than women ; especially in radiation contaminated areals.
phf: usg science suggests solution, make cockroach sized penises
mircea_popescu: "how do you fuck a chicken ?" "wrap it in duct tape" "and how do you fuck a cockroach ?" "wrap it in duct tape and fuck it with usg scientific penis."
phf: -NickServ- a111 is not online.
phf: *** Nickname a111 is temporarily unavailable, trying a111`
phf: (i'm using this "fuck you phf, love freenode" to upgrade the btcbase instance, so site is down for half hour or so)
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-15: [23:12:10] * mircea_popescu was reading pete d, ended up on "Knowing that on average humans have one testicle and one ovary, what are the odds that this human's left ovary is a testicle ?"
phf: site's up, bot's up, a111 nick is still unobtainable
mircea_popescu: ACTION just found out that phillips and torx heads respectively aren't mere "let's arbitrarily change standards to try and extract spurious rents via alleged intellectual property" ; but in fact have proper reasons to exist. a) phillips head is self-centering ; which is to say driver does not slip out of screw being driven. this was major advantage in early automotive work. torx does not cam out ; which was major advantage in
pete_dushenski: 'I was dead-set on finding a house with a garbage disposal, or "garburator" as our sorry ("Sorry!") neighbors to the North call them,' << l0l! love the souble dorry. also, i've never lived in a house or condo with a garburator and may never.
mircea_popescu: is "garburator" supposed to be "garbage carburator" ? because that may be the lamest corporate attempt at humour to date.
pete_dushenski: 'but eventually relented and traded the garburator for a hood over the stove,' << current place... doesn't have range hood. smoky ? smelly ? open the windows and patio doors and get a cross-breeze going
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: There were no matching configuration variables.
deedbot: a112 voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: in other news apparently the command is "nickserv release"
phf: yeah, i decided to touch the server and now everything's broken
phf: in case anyone thinks that commercial lisp vendors are any good, i'm getting completely random failed to allocate errors on lispworks
phf: nah, professional, i have a license from elsewhere, that i'm .. evaluating
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i always thought 'garburator' was more of a garbage-purolator : a machine for mailing garbage as far away as possible
phf: a professional single os/cpu version is $1300
mircea_popescu: oh, so you mean enough to pay for a dedicated server running lamp for a whole year ?
phf: there was this idea in the naggum emails that all the problems go away once you stop being cheap and pay for a real lisp. maybe that was the case in 2001 when he wrote it, but in practice it turns out to not be so
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun see anyone here (other than me, but w/e) ever spend time debugging apache etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform based on exactly this type of interaction with exactly this type of fellow, back then.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-15: [17:37:23] <ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: recommendations for wp footnote plugin? footnotes-in-footnotes would be a grand feature if any can do that and it's not a mp-wp-footnotes custom job
pete_dushenski: 'EVERYTHING MUST GO IN THE DISHWASHER AND THAT MUST BE FINE.' << chez moi i throw everything in the dishwasher, which i then run when full and empty thereafter, while the girl does this 'wash by hand as you go and air dry on the rack' thing for reasons i don't fully comprehend.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc you deployed the only thing known on python which worked ; and serve via apache ?
phf: asciilifeform: well, fwiw i used sbcl for years and was running in increasingly larger number of problems. just small annoyances. when i tried interacting with sbcl "community" it turned out to be the usual suspects, google employees, gender pronounced. i have the same antipathy to sbcl as you to llvm
trinque: sbcl has been taken over from the original guy
mircea_popescu: not to necessarily discourage the eager from using lisp or anything else. by all means. but certainly to discourage an unrealistic view of performance etc.
phf: sbcl last time i checked was entirely developed by google
trinque: one of them at least is a complete idiot who told me in #sbcl that gpg signing was pointless because "somebody could just pay me to sign something malicious"
mircea_popescu: this is how they think, you know ? and while not conscious, because celenterates, nevertheless effectual. because a large collection of betas will naturally fall on solutions to the problems of betas.
phf: anyway, first version of btcbase was written in python, and ran for a year as a proxy to znc with a synchronizer to kako. basically exactly what Framedragger has right now
phf: i'm pretty sure i've not had to touch it once
mircea_popescu: i only have to go in there when someone "upgrades" something.
phf: but the rewrite happened for two reasons, one is that i wanted to do interesting analysis on entire corpus (which is something python will strugle with) and that tmsr canon called for technology ownership. cmucl seems like a reasonable stack to own, considering that it's abandonware. fwiw it benchmarks faster than either sbcl (by fraction) or lispworks (by a huge margin, wtf now) on doing bit twiddling like the search that we do
mircea_popescu: you know, 5yo me came home one day, asked mom if "fried cow is good to eat".
mircea_popescu: because 5yo me had observed some cows, and figured... what the hell!
phf: i've used cmucl in the past, like 10 years ago, and still have most of my lisp code for it/in it. than i switched to ccl and deployed few things commercially with it. the only lisp i've never explicitly worked with except toying around is sbcl
trinque: nameless bastards, afraid of signing their works.
phf: that's it, i'm retiring. to elba
phf: from now on i'm working on mp-wp, full time, a shell of a man. you can point newcomers at an old shambling figure, "that's phf. he's tending our flower bed"
trinque: phf: offer stands for me to be your court jew of sbcl-ing
mircea_popescu: anyway, more productively : an actually working lisp environment isn't a bad idea ; but premature today imo.
mircea_popescu: the way to owning technologies is ; by picking technologies to own that are small enough on the way there. much like the way to eat a whale is by eating earthworms while frogsized.
mircea_popescu: this method seems wasteful ; from experience it actually delivers. the more direct, intuitive approach not only always fails, but predictably so, which is why it's such a great ally of statu quo.
phf: i probably wrote most code for tbr/shiva, and it was an exercise in rewriting common lisp from scratch
mircea_popescu: "most lisps today are buggy half working implementations" or how did the quote go.
mircea_popescu: ok, this is almost as fun to watch as girls doing butt lifts.
trinque: best lisp compiler is in the hands of imbeciles, is wat.
trinque: ^ announcement of Newman's resignation from the project
phf: <**> Out of memory: Failed to allocate object of size 40000008 [10/10]
phf: right, but the url above timeouts
phf: Error: Segmentation violation(11) [code 0] at 42405E119C {outside Lisp heap}
phf: fuck it, i'm going to port it to sbcl
phf: well, cmucl version was very cmucl specific, when i ported it to lispworks i made it portable, but i'm sure there are some small things left
mircea_popescu: some of the weirdest shit there. including somebody who thought using a common glass salad bowl as a receiver is a good idea, somehow ; lotta casual "your cunt's bare, why not be naked" stuff, and etc
mircea_popescu: anyway. hard to tell from a pic, there's considerable variance in abdominal swelling.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the retiarius' weapons may well make a comeback. drone should be able to drop weighted net on, say, schoolgirl, neh ?
pete_dushenski: 'Don’t gamble or use drugs' ? how goddam lame is that.
mod6: tmsr even has a cia factbook
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski most people who go to "prison" end up in low and mid security joints.
mircea_popescu: not to mention people who don't ain't reading fucking medium.
pete_dushenski: ~no one who's going anywhere, even prison, reads medium
mircea_popescu: anyway. "don't gamble" is solid advice. gamble works in prison exactly like outside - as taxation. unless you're running the joint, gambling is just another way of looking for a boyfriend.
mircea_popescu: in practical terms, if you'll be going to prison for limp dick shit, your best move is to have bitcoin and a wot. the personnel is poorly paid, greatly infiltrated by gold diggers who correctly intuit this is their easiest way to endear themselves to the sort of people who can touch real money, however briefly, and generally very supportive. for as long as you got leverage outside you'll be fine.
mircea_popescu: just as long as you make sure that a) usg can't get at your wealth and b) you left a network behind you're liable to find the prison term more pleasant than life at home./
mircea_popescu: (they also know this ; which is why all the derpy "murder for hire" and assorted nonsense keeps trying to be tacked on)
mircea_popescu: "2011 FBI report finds broadening U.S. military presence responsible for rise in terror attacks" << hurr. "today we discovered that if we go attack some people, they'll attack us right back."
mircea_popescu: i'm kinda amused at the notion that anyone much gives a shit either way.
mircea_popescu: in other news, pop quiz is unanymous : jordan mactaggart was pretty hot.
adlai: from my experience in two situations not dissimilar from low-security gaol, mircea_popescu is correct about the staff
adlai: (idf (including lots of secondhand familiarity with both sides of its military prison system) and 'hospital')
adlai: asciilifeform: my primary gripe with sbcl is that if you do enough network operations in parallel, you hit some race condition, and must restart lisp to continue webbing.
adlai is still using sbcl, this only happens every few months of scalping so it's not too hairy a shirt
thestringpuller: its funny how the opiate of the masses never really changes. it just finds more concentrated forms. :\ depressing.
adlai: dude wtf, xey're called "grafic novels" now
thestringpuller: >:( I get serial comics. I'm subscribed to 30 something titles per month atm.
adlai: serialization is how most (?) novels were published for ~ever. strikes me as a fairer economic arrangement than premium+royalties but i'm probably just a clueless outsider
thestringpuller: this graphic novel mania the weee-uh-boos set in motion is ridiculous.
thestringpuller: cuz really a monthly series should be like an episode of tv
adlai grew up on tintin, probably the reason for his strong inoculation against political correctedness
adlai: the best thing about tintin is that nobody is around to dilute the syrup (and no, the movies don't count)
thestringpuller: adlai: but royalties are where all the sweet money is in comics! if a comic, does really well, the license holders get a cut of pretty much everything spawned from the franchise.
adlai: call me when the kids are playing Spiderman Go
thestringpuller: LOL. 4 srs tho. spider-man is a pretty good example. why do you think sony sunk money into a 2nd spiderman trilogy (which became a disaster)? they wanted to keep the movie rights.
mircea_popescu: adlai : tell you what, put whatever does the equivalent of php up, hit it with 10loads/second for half hour and see how hairy a shirt it is.
adlai: mircea_popescu: sbcl dies on too many (for all i know, just two, in the precisely bad timing) ~outgoing~ queries
adlai: maybe? i get this from too many talk-to-exchange (and once from too many talk-to-freenode, with handrolled irc code that didn't rate limit...)
adlai: i never got this when dealing with mpex, but mpex moves slowly enough that parallel queries weren't a concern
adlai: a db on another box would probably count, unless "what color are your packets"?
ben_vulpes: heh i wonder if the thing will even listen to shutdown commands.
ben_vulpes: i'm in no rush, happy to run the hourglass out.
mircea_popescu: large part of it is berkley db being incredibly slow to put itself in a sane state.
ben_vulpes: does this hold when it's not even listening to rpc commands?
mircea_popescu: bdb holds the blockchain and the wallet ; rpc doesn't much enter into it
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-17: [00:40:56] <adlai> mircea_popescu: sbcl dies on too many (for all i know, just two, in the precisely bad timing) ~outgoing~ queries
adlai: asciilifeform: i suspect the culprit is the one CL lib of such quality that it has a plus in its name
adlai: either that, or merely the socket handling.
adlai: (format () "~{~A~^ ~}" (mapcar 'funcall '(lisp-implementation-type lisp-implementation-version machine-type))) => "SBCL 1.2.4.debian X86-64"
adlai: first happened ~2 yrs ago, last happened ~2 weeks ago.
adlai: magical bug inducer = scalpl running against the usual suspects of shitcoinistan
adlai: well, it is always throwing ssl packets, so it could also be that (this is the aforementioned plus-sized library)
adlai: cl+ssl is ffi to openssl
adlai: you have to use ssl with all exchanges (except for one, guess which)
adlai misses the days of scalping without competition
adlai: a) nobody asked you to debug b) it's not seeeekrit, i "backup" on github
adlai: (the most recent bits aren't pushed yet, but theyr'e not relevant to this bug)
adlai: note that this code is written with no brains other than my own in mind
adlai: it's almost "job security"; lets me publish my cake while preventing anybody else from eating it. whether i can eat it too (ie, debug this a decade after writing it) remains to be seen.
adlai: time for... 'ownership' of sbcl?
adlai: or at least, freezing an old version
adlai thinks out loud: 'crystallising' might be a better metaphor than 'freezing', since the purpose isn't only to reduce code temperature, but also to remove impurities as they emerge
adlai: fwiw, whenever i fantasized about owning a lisp compiler, the imagined object went one step further than sbcl, and didn't depend on a C compiler for the 'kernel', but rather shat ELF objects (or whatever other format) from lisp
adlai: (SBCL, contrary to popular mythos, is not 'self hosting')
adlai: everybody who's paid attention. cue internal-mp: "bipeds who don't pay attention are Not People"
adlai: how the hell would you arbitrage the asset formerly known as S.MPOE, other than across time?
adlai: the fact that usd (and other assorted shitcoins) are traded across multiple exchanges is merely an additional profit vector for future implementation... lone wolf projects lope one leap at a time
adlai: (in case it's unclear, "time-arbitrage" is not a risk-free enterprise)
adlai: but neither does a lens notice that a cork slice looks like a grid from close up
trinque: wtf is this myth where sbcl is slow
adlai: well that's a bad analogy, cross-exchange arbitrage is entirely possible programmatically, just not yet implemented
adlai: "time-arbitrage" (ie, buy-low-sell-high-and-hope-the-noise-continues) is entirely automatic (up to sane/profitable configuration), cross-exchange arbitrage is entirely unsupported. scalpl has no understanding of the fact that different markets on different exchanges might involve the same asset.
adlai: it DOES know that different markets on the same exchange could overlap, so a lower fruit is "triangular arbitrage" (eg, simultaneously trading btcusd, atcusd, and btcatc)
adlai: trinque: maybe you're confusing the slowness of compilation with that of execution? python is a very slow compiler.
trinque: the guy just added optimization flags to a debian benchmark
trinque: you're meant to y'know, click the links in pages
trinque: adlai: I'm not confusing shit
adlai: asciilifeform: oh they released another one? better call the snake handlers.
trinque: I have shipped plenty of code that runs on sbcl.
adlai: oh there are links in the links, and idiots spreading false myths (as opposed to the other kind)
adlai: strictly speaking isn't this cmucl's compiler?
trinque: the guy whose resignation I linked forked it from cmucl and rewrote it in lisp
adlai: trinque: which link?
adlai: oh that link. william newman.
adlai: python was always written in lisp. s/cmu/sb/ consisted of rewriting the bootstrapping logic.
mircea_popescu didn't click on newman link, because meh, google shit. but now since came up again, decided to check it out. went to archive.is - not there.
mircea_popescu: "This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference. Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100."
trinque: adlai's link is in there, but from jun 2012
trinque: Therefore, under this system there should be no need to resort to hairy hacking when fundamental internal structures are to be changed, or to "compile it with itself a few times until things settle down". << what the fuck?
trinque: what system compiled itself "until things settle"
mircea_popescu: i dunno, and i can't be arsed to find out. everyone involved sounds exactly like a bunch of whiny fucktards with clitorii.
adlai: yeah, click the second link
mircea_popescu: to counterbalance the oestrogen overload, here's some harm : "Without boasting, I can tell you that, when Volodya struck me across the ear and spat in my face, I really got him, so that he won't forget it. It was only after that that I hit him with his primus and it was evening when I hit him with the iron. So he didn't die straight away by any means. This doesn't prove that I cut his leg off as early as the afternoon. He was
mircea_popescu: still alive then. Whereas Andryusha I killed simply from inertia, and I can't hold myself responsible for that. Why did Andryusha and Yelizaveta Antonovna fall into my hands anyway? They had no business springing out from behind the door. I am being accused of bloodthirstiness; they say I drank blood, but that is not true: I licked up the pools of blood and stains -- it is a man's natural urge to wipe out the traces of even
mircea_popescu: the most trivial of crimes. And also I did not rape Yelizaveta Antonovna. In the first place, she was no longer a virgin; and secondly I was having dealings with a corpse, so she has no cause for complaint. What about the fact that she just happened to have to give birth? Well, I did pull out the infant. The fact that he was not long for this world anyway, well that's really not my fault. I didn't tear his head off; it was hi
mircea_popescu: s thin neck that did that. He was simply not created for this life. It's true that I stomped their dog to a pulp around the floor, but it's really cynical to accuse me of murdering the dog when in the immediate vicinity, it might be said, three human lives had been obliterated. The infant I don't count. Well, all right then, in all this (I can agree with you) it is possible to discern a degree of severity on my part. But to c
mircea_popescu: onsider it a crime that I squatted down and defecated on my victims -- that is really, if you'll excuse me, absurd. Defecation is an urge of nature and consequently can in no sense be criminal. All things considered, I do understand the misgivings of my defence counsel, but all the same I am hoping for a complete acquittal."
adlai: "I was having dealings with a corpse, so she has no cause for complaint." << excellent argument for gutting cmucl rather than sbcl, unless you get off on the screams
trinque already pulled up the tinyscheme source, will read as he drinks wine
mircea_popescu: note also the implied (and ancient) notion that only virgins may be raped.
adlai also suspects that "gutting cmucl" would involve redoing so much of newman's work that it's much lazier to just gut an old version of sbcl
mircea_popescu: wtf is this c code to glue lisp compiled lisp together. good god.
mircea_popescu: why pretend then. just have a honest interpreter written in c sit down and take your repl.
adlai: incidentally, on a slightly related topic: a friend has taken me up on my (foolish, drunken) offer to help teach him programming. i'm tempted to start with a "sheet of paper + mccarthy" approach, since he's yet unspoiled by algol; has anybody tried teaching in this manner?
trinque: hm, mircea_popescu has me wanting to read clisp now
BingoBoingo: <adlai> incidentally, on a slightly related topic: a friend has taken me up on my (foolish, drunken) offer to help teach him programming. i'm tempted to start with a "sheet of paper + mccarthy" approach, since he's yet unspoiled by algol; has anybody tried teaching in this manner? << Don't skip to 12 without working the other steps. Only 13 can be skipped to.
trinque: there is an honesty to not doing this bootstrapping madness while a lisp OS is absent
mircea_popescu: trinque a perhaps even workable alternative would be, adalisp.
mircea_popescu: "7) Paranoid folks like to recompile just again, to be sure that the new system has no artifact from the old running Lisp. These instructions also build the very-optional parts like CLX at this stage. If you want to do that, activate the for loop near the end." << i'm not sure paranoid is the word here.
mircea_popescu: seriously, the vague is getting ridiculous. "artefacts" ?
trinque: asciilifeform: thunked a lady with both that and sicp once, and she actually read them
adlai: mircea_popescu: that tool is called "recompile once more, just to be safe"
adlai: precisely, as opposed to crystallization
BingoBoingo: <trinque> asciilifeform: thunked a lady with both that and sicp once, and she actually read them << This is the difference. The fucking.
trinque: pls moar metaphor, I am not drunk yet
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would anyone want to run anything produced in this manner.
adlai: make sure to avoid the methanol!
adlai: because the fractional still hasn't been invented yet
trinque: BingoBoingo: aha, in fact there was a thread where mircea_popescu explained that y'know, you teach the women things
trinque: and my heathen brain was astonished
mircea_popescu: trinque fancy that, you had to have someone tell you! nature teaches by example, you stick more data into woman each time than you ever did into all machines you ever touched. yet...
mircea_popescu: ./lisp -core lisp.clcore, one line after they misspelled it as losp.clore is really fucking endearing, too.
trinque: the thing may very well be 10 systemd cycles in, given its age
adlai: "verification is economically feasible only in a small number of applications???mainly, for fairly small programs that perform lifecritical functions. Verification techniques are being used successfully to help debug programs, at Microsoft and elsewhere" << please, tell me more about these small, lifecriticial, microsoft applications...
adlai: not without googling, no.
trinque: lamports parked themselves
adlai: yeah i doubt anybody forced him to sign; i suspect anybody who wasn't sufficiently dangerous for enough decades, eventually gets tired of poor impotence, and starts sucking the cock that slapped them
mircea_popescu: well... so he... saved the usg some bucks, still didn't do anything. hero of soviets, medal.
mircea_popescu: if you're not going to do anything anyway, might as well take the lab.
adlai: asciilifeform & trinque : thank you for the suggestions. i'm meeting the guy tomorrow for his 2nd lession, i'll let him choose
mircea_popescu: kinda why i released it, rather than you know, eating it.
mircea_popescu: adlai except their suggestions were essentially "drop the guy, pick up some chicks"
adlai: mircea_popescu: take which lab? teaching physics doesn't involve ~doing~ lab work, only grading it
adlai: fwiw, the last chick i tried to teach lisp, lost patience for lisp ~before~ she lost patience for [my] cock
adlai makes the "stop waiting tables and learn to program" offer to ~all his friends, once he gets drunk enough
trinque: meh, chick I taught lisp said "cool, I know what a computer is now, sorta" and went back to being a chef
adlai: since none yet have reached the point of not needing to wait tables - insufficient data for meaningful answer.
adlai: my pitch has always been "look at me, i worked in the salt mine for less than a year and now live off my savings"
adlai: anybody i know well enough to receive the pitch, knows me well enough to know ~why~ i no longer mine
trinque: I have the decency not to goad my friends into joining an industry in a dark age, tyvm
trinque: bad enough I stuck my dick in this crazy
adlai: living off the savings would have more to do with bitcoin if i were less of an idiot, and had bought less at $1k and more at $10; but then i'd be living off the military discharge bonus, and wouldn't have mined to begin with
adlai: eh i try to keep the pitch minimal, and avoid repeating it (unless too drunk to remember the last one). one guy got repeated pitches but that's only because we lived together and he kept remarking on how i "make money by typing"
adlai: i'm not sure the 'dark age' is limited to this industry, it seems pretty global
adlai doesn't know anybody who likes their job enough to work more than they need, with the possible exception of his mom - who teaches yoga.
trinque: yoga chicks always seem happy
adlai: (private lessons. she long ago stopped doing group classes)
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 430171 | Current Difficulty: 2.2583287217945956E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 431423 | Next Difficulty In: 1252 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 8 hours, 19 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
adlai: Estimated Next Difficulty: 248,537,181,620 (+10.05%) << nice
adlai: btw, just to bury the earlier discussion of scalpl with shameless self-promotion: if anybody feels adventurous and wants to collaborate, speak up (PM is also OK)
adlai: ('collaborate' implies either having money to potentially lose, or fixing my bugs. preferably the former because i do occasionally do the latter)
trinque: if your thing works you should be flush with cash.
adlai: [scalpl] seen from a distance, is a pretty good machine for converting ten thousand dollars into twenty thousand. [no footnote here! it can make money in crashing markets, too] But, given the [minimum trade size] it is profoundly useless as a machine for converting ten dollars into twenty.
adlai: (with apologies to Dear Stanislav)
trinque: so work and save yourself 10 grand
trinque: with your sweet software job
ben_vulpes:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160916/#242 << plausible, sure, but what has actually happened is that a) the chicoms have diddled the phillips female bit such that it cams out at the slightest provocation and than on top of that the zamac used to replace it wears after so much as a single slipped drive and b) torx is a convenient workaround for the shit metals
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-16: [19:47:07] <mircea_popescu> ACTION just found out that phillips and torx heads respectively aren't mere "let's arbitrarily change standards to try and extract spurious rents via alleged intellectual property" ; but in fact have proper reasons to exist. a) phillips head is self-centering ; which is to say driver does not slip out of screw being driven. this was major
scriba: advantage in early automotive work. torx does not cam out ; which was major advantage in
ben_vulpes: i *know* how to sink screws well, and the zinc plated shit for sale is ~unusable even by me.
trinque: Framedragger: yer thing weirds up /me
trinque: yep, it's barfing the raw protocol for it
ben_vulpes: the final nail (screw?) is that even traditionally phillips applications (eg framing) now come with the torx heads.
ben_vulpes: because the soft metal won't drive 3 inches through pine with a phillips any more.
adlai: trinque: fwiw, $10k invested in something with a sane risk/reward curve can't net more than ~$100/mo for very long.
ben_vulpes: on the flip side, torx work (for now). i sunk oodles of self-drillers this past weekend without a single slip.
mod6: asciilifeform hoards screws, and regrets nothing << im with ya. they don't make shit like they used to.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i hope this is a comment for the log readers
mod6: i feel a gas-can-rage bubbling up
adlai: !~google needs more cowbell
ben_vulpes: not necessarily underground so much as unknown by people
ben_vulpes: mcmaster carr is one of the last bastions of sanity in fab supplies.
trinque: speaking of rot, asciilifeform you'll like this
trinque: I went to mount an encrypted openbsd drive on a different (same endian) arch
trinque: commad proposed I provide it a *new* passphrase
trinque: guess who's reinstalling heirloom gentoo
trinque: braindamaged thing uses the same command to init a drive as attach the softraid again next time
trinque: becaues autism dictates you're actually creating the /dev/softraid0
ben_vulpes: ahaha trinque biting off gentoo quest again?
trinque: I have a disk image of old gentoo, but hey, why not see how hte kids do it these days
trinque: I have a shell script that shits out the gentoo I like
adlai: "That all happened twenty years ago. In retrospect, thinking of programs as automobiles wasn???t so bad. Automobiles are pretty simple. If their car stops working, people expect any good mechanic to be able to figure out why and fix the problem" << Welcome to the 21st Century, where the computers still don't work but now they're in everything!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> eventually there will be separate 'underground' suppliers for ~reasonable building materials, just like you can only get actual food in usa from 'special' suppliers. << At the moment they sit on the shelf next to unreasonable building materials with smallest difference in price tag.
BingoBoingo: Price of insane material usually within 50% of sane materials
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The sane hand tools though are normally seperated from insane tools and spread out by department while insane tools are all gathered in same pile.
adlai: lamport's DnD example is perfectly logical: (apply #'<folder> file) -> "label this file as belonging to that folder", (apply #'<folder>) -> "show me what you got"
adlai: files don't actually move!
BingoBoingo: From herr vulpes link: "This is like a cross between a vice-grip and a crescent wrench. This is great for bath/kitchen plumbing when you need to remove stubborn fixtures and do not want to embed the channel lock/pipe wrench teeth into the chrome fixture and leave rough teeth marks on the smooth surface. The wrench locks down without marring the polished finish and it will not fall off if your hands are slippery wet. I also would like to
BingoBoingo: which is exactly wrong. This a job for pipe wrench and cloth, or in the case of sinks a basin wrench which works on the UNDERSIDE!
BingoBoingo: Real pliers are found in electrical department where fake pliers still abound. Real wrenches are found in plumbing, or for automotive applications from the vendor who operates out of prominently branded boxtruck.
adlai will read the lamport piece to the friend as a patience test, before suggesting sicp / little schemer
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ... diana_coman ? << yeah, heard it went fairly smooth.
adlai: if he asks to read it himself rather than sit through 10min of my silky smooth... failure
BingoBoingo: Real saw comes from antique dealer or garage sale