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asciilifeform: i suspect , the man himself did not know, had own dr.morrell
asciilifeform: 'here's your vitamin shot, mein fuhrer'
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: for poor fuxx like you and me there is only the trilemman 'plan for wealth'
gabriel_laddel: yeah no
ben_vulpes: but rest easy meine freunde there is nothing easier in this world than ballooning your leverage and socking pennies away in btc
ben_vulpes: heh well what getrichquickscheme have y'lit upon now
gabriel_laddel: same one. lisp machine. bulletproofed case & sold to mass market as "save your kid in event of school shooting"
ben_vulpes: to steal a mircea_popescu-ism: nuts.
ben_vulpes: !!up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel: *shrugs* I'm interested in the lispm. BTC is incidental. Interesting, but incidental. Have sold my absolutely-not-a-lispm in the past & plan to continue doing so in the future. Last time around I was homeless, couldn't get rides to meetups, no ebay account etc. This time around, not so much.
ben_vulpes: look i admire your determination but there's no leverage and no market anywhere to be seen; you could be patient, scraping down food credits and suffering now for what will be an entire IC two decades from now had ye the foresight to not waste your time picking rags
ben_vulpes: which, make no mistake, is precisely what you're doing. pulling refuse from the usgstani fabrication pipeline and "oh dear sir or madam, this posey to spare your child from the plague i mean hailofbullets"
ben_vulpes: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=1559
ben_vulpes to gentoo basement, bbl
gabriel_laddel: fuck patience. That attitude is why we don't have one now. If people had just generally been less of a bunch of complete girly-men at symbolics, or the MIT AI lab, or Franz, or or or we'd have something that's close enough to "troo lispm" for me, even if ascii would be unhappy about it.
gabriel_laddel: but no, they want to "be reasonable", "hold jobs", "have a place to stay", "not do hard drugs" and on and on it goes
ben_vulpes: they had no wot, gabriel_laddel
ben_vulpes: no wot and no non-statally controlled monetary base, and so could build nothing sane.
ben_vulpes: because 'britneyization', the crushing drive to make everything as cheap, of as few and the cheapest atoms possible in order to sell it at the largest scale to the greatest number of people, because this is how socialism works: big tents, eyeballs, "hamburgers served", number of voters
ben_vulpes: and the starkest, most bleak indictment of all, no great men to serve
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: there is much enjoyment to be had in building great moocow milking machines
ben_vulpes: not in the work itself, innards of windows and "whitelabled mobile experiences" are only worthwhile insofar as they drain the beasts of their lifeblood
ben_vulpes: there is nothing "reasonable" about the trilema plan for wealth, come on now.
gabriel_laddel: I'd rather sell crack/arms/precursors than milk moocows.
ben_vulpes: i've yet to see evidence of you doing either, so the objection cannot stand.
ben_vulpes: flail in the dark on your own if you must.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807470 << lol, apparently asciilifeform is doingitallwrong!11!
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 04:28 gabriel_laddel: but no, they want to "be reasonable", "hold jobs", "have a place to stay", "not do hard drugs" and on and on it goes
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform loper-os http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807481 is utterly revolutionary & I wouldn't dream of implying that.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 04:44 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807470 << lol, apparently asciilifeform is doingitallwrong!11!
asciilifeform: i mean, tbf, i haven't tried doing things via the gabriel_laddel way, of yet.
gabriel_laddel: But adali? BB? The old ex-mit-ai-lab guy I met who now just tutors kids in math & DOESNT EVEN TEACH THEM LISP?! Or the other ex-symbolics people?
gabriel_laddel: Fuck em.
gabriel_laddel: *adlai
asciilifeform: folx make fun of 'lsd on roofs' but whirling dervish life prolly has something to recommend it..
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: i gotta point out that precursors, arms and crack are *all* milkings.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes fair point. But at least it isn't netbeans
ben_vulpes: there are three things to do: britneyize, lash yourself to another man's oar, or be the visionary superman
ben_vulpes: and i get the appeal of visionary supermandom but dude upcycling craptops with a hilarious gentoonotalisp is very shy of that mark
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes what do we get out of populating the infodb with s-expression sources and editing with SETF rather than working through files?
ben_vulpes: it is such an asinine question, mon frere
ben_vulpes: wanking over the wallpaper doesn't kneecap the megastate one whit
ben_vulpes: these are tools of intelligence amplification, done correctly. users/eyeballs/hitcounters are *the* antipattern.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes okay, so where do fexpers stand? Can we do away with them given our SETF-editor & populated infodb?
ben_vulpes: IA is for that revered fourth, fifth and sixth standard deviation; not for teh everyonez
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: it doesn't matter for so long as the incans control the fabs.
gabriel_laddel: like, since we already know WHO-MACROEXPANDS, just iterate infodb & re macroexpand.
ben_vulpes: right. put another way, why are you so obsessed over this nominally-solved problem to such a degree that you'd deprive the republic of a capitalized sapper
gabriel_laddel: F-
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: why would i give a shit when you seem dedicated to the penurious style that'll prevent you from ever delivering on the implications.
ben_vulpes: i can have the software written, by devoted historians i train myself or who've built a relationship upon delivery and savvy over years of wot relationships
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807489 << wait, you object to bingoboingo's moving to uruguay ? or just ... in general ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 04:49 gabriel_laddel: Fuck em.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the correct construction is that he simply doesn't know what's going on. aanyways.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807501 << technically speaking, it's for everyone ; the problem is that for the average man intelligence amplification takes a shape very much indistinguishable from sheer pain.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 04:58 ben_vulpes: IA is for that revered fourth, fifth and sixth standard deviation; not for teh everyonez
mircea_popescu: which is why ux is such a terrible field. it's caught in this fundamental tension, between moomoos "wanting" to stay moomoos on one hand, and "doctor, my eye hurts every time i take a sip of my coffee" on the other.
mircea_popescu: the eastern/orthodox expression being "durerea-i ziditoare", ie, pain [builds] the kingdom of heaven
mircea_popescu: though, obviously, not any-and-all of it.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in excellent posture, https://78.media.tumblr.com/0ccf28335e17ac7a6f67befe32bf7b07/tumblr_nq38oiYEpj1tfaasio1_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: and notbad lighting!
mircea_popescu: indeed.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-2#346916 << "On a system I'm testing on, in practice, the RNG just reads the DMI table and then, since the DMI table is way bigger than 64 bytes, immediately moves to crng_init==1 without using even a single sample of interrupt randomness."
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-02 04:15 ben_vulpes: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=1559
mircea_popescu: !Qlater tell bingoboingo is this right, 3035+3058 ?
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !Qlater tell bingoboingo also were there errors to be rectified from b4 or anything ?
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes is a day behind, will attend to invoices that need indepth review tomorrow; outstanding invoices will go out this pm
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2016-12-30#76508 << i'm still wrapping my head around dirty reads and how database concurrency implementation strategies affect the possibility; here's a breadcrumb on the trail http://www.interdb.jp/pg/pgsql05.html
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2016-12-30 17:14 mircea_popescu: it really should be up to operator wtf, if i want to read dirty let me read dirty what sort of decision is this for designer to make.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, consider the eminent case of apache serving mp-wp. the fact that at t1 i updated the article list and at t2 the db read the stale t0 version makes EXACTLY NO DIFFERENCE.
mircea_popescu: it's way the fuck better to ~serve~ even if the article is epsilon seconds "too old" than to hang while you update, or even fucking worse, reject the connection.
mircea_popescu: in the case of trilema, for instance, the db serving articles FROM YESTERDAY OR EARLIER ONLY, ie, 86400000000 microseconds old, is still 99% of the job done. cuz most of the time you're not even using it for "the latest", and even if there is a latest in any meaningful sense it's many millions / billions / trillions microseconds old anyway.
ben_vulpes: my attention is on the original phuctorgenic goal of "i don't care about your concurrency controls, gimme whatever's in the page ritenao!"
mircea_popescu: and even more complicated dirty mixes, whereby eg "the article -- new ; but the comments -- old, so we are serving a false imaginary situation that never could have existed irl!!!" is still... no harm done WHATSOEVER.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, that case is really no different ; phuctor is just a mechanized trilema with a narrow focus.
ben_vulpes: pg "SSI" does this correctly afaik; would serve coherent versions of comments and article i believe.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: didja ever benchmark running mpwp on postgres?
mircea_popescu: like a decade ago
ben_vulpes: heh
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in tech, https://78.media.tumblr.com/6814f5228bb204fb3bfca0f25822a272/tumblr_naiw51dkhV1s7ch8qo1_1280.jpg
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/chicks-in-pantsuits-winning-arguments-with-yours-truly-a-comedic-goldmine-of-lulz-and-tears/ << Trilema - Chicks in pantsuits winning arguments with yours truly, a comedic goldmine of lulz and tears.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806773 <-- was it http://danluu.com/input-lag/ ? anyway, leaving this here for entomology.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 22:04 asciilifeform: ( and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560740 , and there was a particular link some time in past yr which i now cannot find, where someone actually went and ~measured~ the reaction time delay of msdos, various winblowz boxen from past 20yr, crapple, bolix, etc etc and found exactly what i'd expect him to find )
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1807007 <-- fwiw I've used the sha512 branch of vtools and will continue to until existing trees get reground with keccak.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 16:25 phf: ight have time to sit down with v.pl before mid may. i can also just remove the right hand side of vtools for now, since this new complexity is coming from an experimental v graph anyway. i've no idea though if people are using a sha512 vtools in preference of awk vdiff / gnu patch.
spyked: speaking of which; to all ircbot users: I have a patch proposal for ircbot (and possibly logbot). the problem: nickserv authentication makes a distinction between "nickname" and "user". this allows e.g. to group multiple irc bots (with different nicks) under a single username and cloak. so my proposal is to add a new *optional* "user" slot to ircbot and use it for auth instead of "nick" when available
spyked: current patch draft is at http://lmogo.xyz/v/patches/ircbot-nickserv-auth-add-user-slot.vpatch ; and sig http://lmogo.xyz/v/seals/ircbot-nickserv-auth-add-user-slot.vpatch.spyked.sig . I'm not very sure that my changes to make-ircbot are proper, so I am eager to hear your feedback
spyked: I've added the "user" slot as a keyword argument to highlight optionality, but not sure whether this is the right way to go about it.
spyked: given the growing number of args, I'd rather personally have them all be keyword args.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A4CB883A7C6041E87BA7FEDCFEC583AB986A75CAE5ACB933BA02DD5BF566966C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1724...5429 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.168.230.78 (ssh-rsa key from 83.168.230.78 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.concretefloor.com. SE)
lobbes: Neato spyked. Though, I'll be honest, I don't think I've ever grouped nicks under a user via NickServ. Besides the cloaking, what other utility is there to grouping in this way?
lobbes: I'll probably be splitting lobbesbot into several seperate bots over the coming months/year, so now I am curious
lobbes bbl
spyked: lobbes, in general nicks grouped under a user might inherit other properties (e.g. op privileges), but I'm not sure whether this has any utility for bots. I only used it as a very cheap way to get cloak for bots, though probably the correct approach would be to register a user per nick.
spyked is of course curious to hear if this is considered an anti-feature by republican standards. but has used it for a while now.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807540 << indeed it was! ty spyked !
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 09:52 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806773 <-- was it http://danluu.com/input-lag/ ? anyway, leaving this here for entomology.
asciilifeform: tho i wonder how he measured the bolix 3620; back when i had mine, it most certainly did not 'feel like' winblowz-levels of i/o lag
asciilifeform: ( iirc in old thread we discussed this: asciilifeform suspects that 'subjective lag' is not a function of absolute delay, but of ~variation~ in same )
spyked: from what I understood, he measured all of them by filming the keypress-to-screen latency with a high fps camera. though this begs the question of what even means "keypress registered" in case of software kbds. at least he put the touchscreens in another table.
mircea_popescu: spyked, there's about 0 interest in importing nickserv behaviours as some kind of perpetual legacy.
mircea_popescu: managing yet-another-ad-hoc-dns... meh.
spyked agrees. and also wonders why the whole "cloaks are a privilege handed by fleanode staff" etc. still, uses the bit above for the time being and would have been odd to keep to himself.
mircea_popescu: nwwt.
mircea_popescu shall bbl.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A4CB883A7C6041E87BA7FEDCFEC583AB986A75CAE5ACB933BA02DD5BF566966C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1503...6339 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.168.230.78 (ssh-rsa key from 83.168.230.78 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.concretefloor.com. SE)
trinque: it's amazing how much gabriel_laddel reminds me of an old boss. nearly drank himself to death, grand mission to turn the www into a distributed db. the obsessive ones like this only get un-stuck by the threat of death, which is why they try as they might to impose it upon themselves.
asciilifeform: trinque: was it the sql master d00d from old thread ?
trinque: it was
trinque: also a "semantic web" guy
asciilifeform: i admit to a little curiosity re what 'turn into distributed db' meant ( can query it ? who supplies the 10^9000 cpu cycles ..? )
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D7F05A220F5EBBE004FBA7875F58A250B066D40105C456157DB011E3B5961101 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1676...5063 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.55.50.58 (ssh-rsa key from 92.55.50.58 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
trinque: taking the simple case of a blog, node serves up a metadata endpoint that says "posts, comments, etc" and their structure. client can take suggestion from the server on how to display these, or can use whatever it likes on its end instead.
trinque: nodes can also describe transformations from one schema to another, so your "post" table's cols map to mine via a given function
trinque: whole project started at far too high a stack of chairs, atop postgres, browser, etc
asciilifeform: rright, i can picture this-much, but how did d00d's scheme get around the 'all-comers can make you spend 9000 cpu cycles whenever for the asking' problem.
trinque: guy had no notion of WoT, of gossipd, or anything. he's firmly an "our democracy" believer
trinque: made no attempt to solve many unavoidable problems, in pursuit of desired "UX"
asciilifeform: surely had a notion that, e.g., spam, exists ?
asciilifeform: or are we talking about a d00d circa 1992 or somesuch
trinque: postgres can serve up "materialized views" pretty damned fast; that's what would've been the caching solution, similar to what's done with webshits currently
asciilifeform: caching still costs sumthing
trinque: sure, and this was a guy that was spending his own money because "eventually we'll figure out what to do with UX"
asciilifeform: in the end died of vodka ?
trinque: eh, aged beyond his years, but alive
trinque left a long while ago
asciilifeform: trinque: any idea what d00d is up to nao ?
trinque: nah not in touch. told him he was among the worst leaders I'd ever labored under, and that was that.
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform: trinque: determination is orthogonal to correctness, elementarily; and so i suspect that most folx's experience with inventors, should they have any, resembles this one, 'fella worked on perpetuum mobile under meth for 20yrs , then went broke, drank'
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807523 << This evening I will run through the last several months reports to check for any outstanding issues
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 05:27 mircea_popescu: !Qlater tell bingoboingo also were there errors to be rectified from b4 or anything ?
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: Sent 11 hours and 21 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> is this right, 3035+3058 ?
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: Sent 11 hours and 20 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> also were there errors to be rectified from b4 or anything ?
lobbes: Superman visionaries >> http://achewood.com/index.php?date=03302004
asciilifeform: lobbes: not wholly unrelated ancientthread, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-25#808005
a111: Logged on 2014-08-25 03:08 asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
asciilifeform: hey trinque , is it possible to cleanly remove the 8191-byte limitation for indexed fields in postgresql ?
asciilifeform: trinque: turns out, phuctor www end spends ~80% of cpu cycles in sequential scan for modulus, because index refused to be created. ( and no, 'hash them' is not solution, phuctor gotta be able to store ANY set of moduli, and not merely e.g. 512bits of possible ones )
asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu , ben_vulpes , other sqlists..? ^
ben_vulpes nfi
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807521 << That is right, no outstanding errors have been found
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 05:26 mircea_popescu: !Qlater tell bingoboingo is this right, 3035+3058 ?
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/05/us-boy-scouts-get-neuter-gendered-rename/ << Qntra - US Boy Scouts Get Neuter Gendered Rename
mircea_popescu: "determination is orthogonal to correctness, elementarily" << fortunately, determination is not an elementary item, but can be further broken down and classified. there's the sort of determination resulting from narcissism, where it is simply fueled by the [perceived] cost of changing the other side, "what do you mean my model of sexuality and society is wrong, this'd mean i'd have to have a long talk with the woman in my hou
mircea_popescu: se".
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, ty.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i'm certain this is not something postgres can do.
mircea_popescu: unless you bother to actually find and edit the magic numbers and recompile, which is about on par with rewriting the damned thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: meanwhile i made it do it ( not deployed to production yet, still in test.. )
mircea_popescu: partial multiindexes ?
asciilifeform: used hashistic index followed by collision test
asciilifeform: ( as taught in kindergarten )
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: aaaaaand deployed.
asciilifeform: ( how to test ? load e.g. various links from http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/2 , observe msec, rather than sec-halfminute as before, load times... )
trinque: very nice!
asciilifeform: later, i'ma add this to the eater
asciilifeform: ( the mixed-blessing of which will be to shorten the 'fuel tank' from 'months' to 'weeks' i suspect )
asciilifeform brb,meat
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with that.
asciilifeform: the day aint far when the thing will be able to tell you , e.g., 'yer router is nsatronic', the minute you plug it in (i.e. realtime scan an' probe-against-db, no need to queue'em )
asciilifeform brb for realz
mircea_popescu: nice indeed.
mircea_popescu: incidentally zx2c4 you familiar with all the phuctor work ? http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/ and all that ?
mircea_popescu: just in case you're still belabouring under the misapprehension that the usg puppet show is a "field" with "experts" and whatnot, that is.
esthlos: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1807012 << to be clear, what fix?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 16:29 mircea_popescu: but we have esthlos waited on a fix, and then there's whatever you were waiting to publish. so i'm guessing it'd have to be one of you.
esthlos: trinque: you can find my writeup at http://blog.esthlos.com/a-vtron/ . I recall you wanted to have the thing return sane data from ops instead of format barfage
trinque: yeah, the lisp is a little green
trinque: but that can be cleaned up
esthlos: I'm fairly beginner, don't know many of the useful functions
esthlos: (so I assume)
mircea_popescu: esthlos, a) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774760 ; b) how does your item handle the original http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-09#1794417 problem ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 14:28 mircea_popescu: esthlos it is not standard procedure ; the emerging consensus is to have a dedicated philosophy file which a) all patches must touch (by protocol) ; b) contains comments as to the patcher's state of mind and c) contains one line per patch uniquely identifying it, machine generated. the format's not fixed yet, but as phf is working on a new proper vdiff it's probably going to coalesce around a variant of whatever he uses.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 04:25 hanbot: phf et al: attempted to press latest vtools to the keccak head. v (mod6's) reports vtools_vpatch_newline not in flow, neither its antecedent vtools_fixes_static_tohex, despite both patches and (verified good) sigs present (they neither show up via flow command). v will press to vtools_vpatch.vpatch, but no further. see http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oNRhE/?raw=true .
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall us discussing the matter of graphing and my saying "hang on, phf is about to write one then you can import it", but not worth spelunking for it right now.
esthlos: esthlos-v doesn't touch on (a); I was indeed waiting for standardized philosophy file format. (b) I will test
mircea_popescu: ty
mircea_popescu: and yes, you've got clear way here to producing a standard item, so burn rubber baby.
esthlos: :)
esthlos: that's an evil grin
trinque: don't get too excited; I've got plenty of feedback for you on how this is written
esthlos: ah, yeah
trinque: considering that there may be other lisp programs that want to use this as a dependency, it'd be really nice if instead of returning nils, printing strings, you returned a list of vpatch objects.
trinque: thing needs to be refactored with that in mind
trinque: you then take that item and make it read console args, print to screen, whatever
trinque: make something that eats, processes, and returns sane datastructures first
esthlos: I was thinking of replacing the CLOS with records, or possibly just sexprs
trinque: thereby gaining what
esthlos: I might say, conceptual simplicity. It's possibly a holdover from my scheme origins, but I usually write whatever datastructures I need on my own as closures
trinque: eh please do not hand-roll your own can't-believe-it's-not-CLOS here
ben_vulpes: please no closure datastructures
trinque: the idea is to produce an item that implements the (sorely needed!) functionality correctly, and not as entertainment for one developer
esthlos: alright
trinque: I agree that this thing can get smaller, just not by pretending lisp is scheme. write it like scheme and we're all damend to learn your particular idiosyncracies.
trinque: *damned
asciilifeform: achtung folx : 'super speed' phuctor-eater nao in service.
asciilifeform: ( measured rate ~= 100 keys/s )
esthlos: so trinque, can you provide me with a list of changes (or write your own and diff, if you prefer)?
esthlos: if you do so before friday, I can likely get a prototype by monday. otherwise it will be sometime the week after
trinque: moving from printing to returning objects (recall, you can inform lisp ~how to print your objects at the repl) would be a huge improvement
trinque: not detracting from your having put in the work so far, glad to see a lisp V.
esthlos: cool, that's agenda item 1
trinque: I'll digest more and probably have more proposals for ya, but will get my hands into the code myself too, and we'll get a genesis of this put together.
asciilifeform: i will note, in case it wasn't obvious earlier : folx who previously were refraining from linking phuctor somewhere on account of 'how could it take the heat' are nao invited to open the throttle.
asciilifeform: ( i have nfi whether anyone was holding out for the cured db; but will for the record note : the time -- has come. )
trinque: pretty cool asciilifeform, site is very zippy
mircea_popescu: tbh i'm very happy to have this item back, i can now search for keys again!
asciilifeform: ty to trinque , phf , mircea_popescu , the folx who gave asciilifeform sqltronics hints.
mod6: The Exalted Great Lord Me etcetera You're too old for me, sorry. << lmao
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lemme know if you find anything other than the stats page ( still O(N) for nao ) that's >1s to load.
mircea_popescu: and yes now it feels like it's an actual republican item rather than ductape-and-windoze press a key and go draw a bath.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform realizes with some disappointment that most of today's pops will overflow the deedbot bucket; thing's eaten moar keyz in 20min than typically eats in 2days
asciilifeform: i'ma have to make a moar hightech rss mechanism, with queuing etc
mircea_popescu: doesn't have to overflow ; have it wait 1s between reports.
mircea_popescu: so what if some aren't instareported via rss
asciilifeform: hey trinque , what's the 'magic number' it oughta wait ?
asciilifeform: i suspect that 1s is too few
mircea_popescu: pretty sure it's not.
trinque: asciilifeform: what's the value in the <id> tag on your end? RSS decrees those don't repeat
trinque: the bot's "seen" is based upon that
asciilifeform: trinque: my bucket is 20 deep currently; if fills faster than deedbot watches it, pops are 'lost'
asciilifeform: ( and i have nfi what would be the effect of deepening it abruptly, in re deedbot, might cause chan barf )
trinque: aha, deedbot also will not eat more than 20 entries from a feed at a time
asciilifeform: i inserted the delay mircea_popescu suggested, but imho this is not a troo pill
mircea_popescu: why not ?
asciilifeform: well, what's the deedbot interval ?
asciilifeform: 5min ?
trinque: 5sec between feeds, has however many feeds, 15-20
mircea_popescu: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/rss << i see 6:21 6:03 3:whatever.
mircea_popescu: scarcely a concern neh ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: werker hasn't fired yet
asciilifeform: since the speedup.
asciilifeform: it runs every 6 hrs.
mircea_popescu: so you're proposing that it'll produce more than 10 items / minute after having produced 1 / hour ?
asciilifeform: correct.
mircea_popescu: well so make your rss pit 2k deep, what's to keep you.
trinque: what's an ID of an RSS entry that didn't pop through deedbot?
asciilifeform: trinque: i unfortunately dun have a fast way of answering this riddle
trinque: it's either "RSS was longer than 20 and items missed were past 20" or "saw ID before"
mircea_popescu: trinque, his ids are unique, he's using the fingerprint.
trinque: well can't be fingerprint, because what is used when the next factor pops out
mircea_popescu: imo reporting some rather than all factors for a given modulus is fine, nothing lost.
asciilifeform: for nao i think i'ma put a 20 s. sleep b/w 'ticks'
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7193BEBB6DE572584240CFD8184BA264171F1BC64AE8DF050FB56556D9269229 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1751...1009 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '203.189.88.23 (ssh-rsa key from 203.189.88.23 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip-88.23.esdm.go.id. ID)
asciilifeform resetting things, brb
asciilifeform: oook unless i mistyped something ( can't be ruled out, pretty close to bed ) the troo fun should begin ~hr from nao.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if it'll make a record lines day or not.
asciilifeform: incidentally, i have a collection of ~50k published shitrouter/etc privkeys here, that's been patiently waiting for the db to grow up
asciilifeform: i'ma feed it in when we run out of Framedraggerola
mircea_popescu: you mean pubkeys ?
asciilifeform: i mean privkeys. a la debian.
asciilifeform: should pop a pretty large population of currently 'green' moduli
mircea_popescu: what's the point of adding them ?
mircea_popescu: ah i see
asciilifeform: same point as the debian keys. ( the latter are , what, 90+% of our pops to date )
asciilifeform: iirc i originally introduced phuctor as 'catalogue of rsa keys which are inexpensively breakable'. for said formulation it does not matter precisely ~how~, if tomorrow i conceive of a wholly novel inexpensive break, i will apply it to phuctor with the others ( as i applied classical methods, gcd, bernsteinistic gcd, fermat, ( in the worx...) lenstra , etc . )
asciilifeform: hey Framedragger ! ask the sea goddess to letcha go on shore leave! or wherever heaven or hell yer stuck in.
asciilifeform: at the current pace, 100% of 2016-Framedragger collection will be eaten by next thurs.
asciilifeform: could use an updated one!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i just figure we can do the "walk ssh collect keys" job to douchebag if he emerges, or some other noob. better being done by multiple parties anyway.
mircea_popescu: and besides there's the rockchip.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and think, we never even touched ssl
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: which is prolly good for several GB of sadkeyz
mircea_popescu: who even knows.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 100M ( and not wholly unloaded , as far as i can see ) fiber, is not so great for all-of-ipv4-scan
douchebag: hm?
mircea_popescu: bw not a consideration here ; packets are. and you want to find out anyway. consider it free pizarro stresstesting.
asciilifeform: lol i 'stress test' (i.e. saturate) the thing ~daily
mircea_popescu: you understand bw != pw yes ?
asciilifeform: how's that
asciilifeform: packets occupy bw, what else could
asciilifeform: 'they're made of meat!'
mircea_popescu: there's two failure modes for a router -- too much bw (ie, the sum bytes of packets is too large) ; and too many packets (ie, the individual count of packets is too large).
mircea_popescu: most ddos is not of the bw sort.
asciilifeform: of the statetable sort
asciilifeform: Framedragger's 'massscan' proggy does not clog state table tho, it has own peculiar ip stack that goes 'statelessly'
mircea_popescu: i doubt the entire ssh run he did even ate a gb. but it ate it over like 10 or 20mn packets something.
asciilifeform: sorta why it is able to work in ~week rather than the expected year
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, your dc still has to route them.
mircea_popescu: eventually they either complain or don't. you want to find out.
asciilifeform: it is ~never the local end that complains
mircea_popescu: it can be ; but irrespective the minutia, you still want to find out early rather than late.
asciilifeform: at any rate it's quite doable from pizarro, just will take roughly 10x as long as Framedragger's took, per my reckonin
asciilifeform not in particular hurry, fwiw
mircea_popescu: why ? he used some rando shitvps iirc.
asciilifeform: iirc he used a dozen, in parallel
mircea_popescu: guaranteed less power.
mircea_popescu: that might be, i dun recall the specifics so close. but anyways.
asciilifeform: !#s from:Framedragger ipv4
a111: 31 results for "from:Framedragger ipv4", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3AFramedragger%20ipv4
asciilifeform: ^ seems to have the detail.
asciilifeform: ( tldr : he used a public proggy, experiment oughta be entirely replicable )
mircea_popescu: indeed.
asciilifeform funnily enuff just reread http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations ; mighty lulzy ride, it was, the original phuctoring 'day x'
asciilifeform: ^ bahaha all of the links therein now properly realtimeclickable
asciilifeform: and incidentally 3rdparties can now curlpost ---BEGIN PGP PUBLIC.... keyolade and get ~realtime output...
asciilifeform: sorta how the thing was meant to go from the start.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell trinque does deedbot autosubmit newly regged keys to phuctor ?
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: not a bad idea
trinque: nope, but not a bad idea at all
lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 7 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> does deedbot autosubmit newly regged keys to phuctor ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ahh, recall the fun times!
asciilifeform: aaha, 'cosmic rays' !
mircea_popescu: more importantly, never before in its history of imbecility with a side serving of bald face lying, was the empire plainly humiliated on public, permanent record by manifestly superior intellectual force.
mircea_popescu: brought to a close some happy decades of self-flattering delusion inaugurated by the berlin wall moment.
mircea_popescu: still worth a retrospective chuckle, just how fucking unprepared they were for it.
asciilifeform: dunno, looked as prepared as they ever get, had the myrmidons ready, the 'why japanese toilets haven't conquered america' replacement article thing at button's push, etc neh
asciilifeform: debug of herr boeck, grade-a imperial политтехнолог ( how does that even go in engl ? )
mircea_popescu: whole thing stinks very badly of the same ole http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/#selection-71.13-79.1 and of course http://trilema.com/2017/global-warming-on-triton/#selection-177.0-189.40
asciilifeform: *debut
mircea_popescu: you'd of course expect usg.nsa ie the department of scientifically socialistic-flavoured numbers have ampler resources at its disposal than a shoestring sexploitation outfit in canuckistan.
mircea_popescu: sad days for the fiat empire.
asciilifeform: apparently 25 yrs of planting vulns / suborning iso committees / tapping cables / decrypting rot13 , makes for fat/lazy gestapo, whod'vethunkit
asciilifeform: variation on http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748753 theme, possibly.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 15:02 asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
mircea_popescu: possibly.
mircea_popescu: talk about "overton windows", though. it totally fucking moved the conversation, now it's about how "nobody accused the us delegation". as fucking if.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6623F4E0D1ACC5B1BF803CE6F16904DD0C326AADF1581F1981B5A1481FE9F170 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1088...9787 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.249.251.63 (ssh-rsa key from 183.249.251.63 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E92D6ECB8C9AF5ABC18307C2968BA6497A9F97EEFDF9F6B67CB9DD36B35DD0A5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1088...9787 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.70.53 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.70.53 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6623F4E0D1ACC5B1BF803CE6F16904DD0C326AADF1581F1981B5A1481FE9F170 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1088...9787 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.249.251.63 (ssh-rsa key from 183.249.251.63 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3EA512ACB8D42B2E09A5F2EC2A983CC90905F81541FA9A6658AB86927349F717 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1532...2373 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.17.200.14 (ssh-rsa key from 85.17.200.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown NL NH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/322AF6F8F409FBF42EF27A1BCFF25E5F458C355EA2650524EDCEDDEFFB760A65 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1522...8559 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '84.19.160.204 (ssh-rsa key from 84.19.160.204 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (h-84.19.160.204.keyweb.de. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D963994F22CB5485CBB1D82DFABBC72CA6C0273A56C2B0A2CEB9B6B10AFAE915 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1648...4733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '171.100.190.132 (ssh-rsa key from 171.100.190.132 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (cm-171-100-190-132.revip10.asianet.co.th. TH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C10265CAC01DE0B5C84F248879FB350192785D1C14FA53C6B4CAAE68A1BBA977 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1615...4883 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '179.1.72.89 (ssh-rsa key from 179.1.72.89 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CO ANT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4A308D3BE72368D73D087C8232A993D4EA6EB720FFA63E121231BCCD77E7315F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1615...4883 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.236.238.102 (ssh-rsa key from 91.236.238.102 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E643BAEAC308F1BF33B37DDB9A258BBD07E85D30A9A63B95754CBA0BD2FFB346 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1615...4883 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.12.56.72 (ssh-rsa key from 190.12.56.72 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (corp-190-12-56-72.mch.puntonet.ec. EC P)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/574457D1E4C5441FE340B7910CDD2B10D2B5CD9AFA91BC683820A96AAB8E61D1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1713...8507 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.237.41.6 (ssh-rsa key from 89.237.41.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (video.trktvs.ru. RU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1C98582F53D0D63CF9F6333C6E2B6BA9226C4B01F707CD2589DA33CEAA211B4C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1787...6967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.151.29.21 (ssh-rsa key from 83.151.29.21 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (m17s19.vlinux.de. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/519CFCA8F186F78E30E295D50EB0CEA49A22F34B54D6ACB4AA6ABE1C93D0C745 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1723...6953 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '32.60.40.199 (ssh-rsa key from 32.60.40.199 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown SG)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/03AD9E4203066650730045C3361718138D94E9A0620D333F213885812E2577A7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1713...2743 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '203.255.13.22 (ssh-rsa key from 203.255.13.22 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (pwrsys.gnu.ac.kr. KR)
mircea_popescu: o hello
mircea_popescu: mod6, really, 25 is too old. the amount of cockroaches they ingested by that age makes fixing a losing proposition.

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