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mircea_popescu: and how you doing down there anyways ?
phf: << items predates melpa by many years. i suspect first serious item to rely on gnutls was GNUS, but initially integration was done by calling a subprocess and piping things into it. gnutls (as well as dbus, libxml, imagemagick) as linked in library is a more recent phenomenon
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 23:58 asciilifeform: and of course it is not hard to find out ~why~ this happened : >> 'GnuTLS is needed for adding the https URL of MELPA to the package archive source list'
mircea_popescu: there was some drama with imagemagick linking and vulnerabilities, but i don't recall it right now
phf: asciilifeform's favorite graphic metaphor of the whole spittoon is always apropos
phf: << thank you! at 6mb it will require some work to put it into btcbase patches..
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, it's true that the whole alt-pantsuit "foss" movement failed to design (or to deliver, or to mean anything, or etcetera, sursure), but nevertheless the ashes they left behind are amenable to retrospective redesign.
mircea_popescu: it's pretty clear LAMP was the whole schtick, and it's evident where imagemagick would have fit into that stack.
mircea_popescu: whole fucking thing is browser candy for the masses, aka "linux".
mircea_popescu: now, why they opted to do it poorly and scatter-piss-idly instead of straight up is anyone's guess.
mircea_popescu: phf it's just a genesis, why multiple patches ?
phf: was supposed to be btcbase/patches, like "patches" as a not very descriptive name of the section where vpatches are stored
mircea_popescu: anyway, meanwhile binary bits were discovered in there, so it'll likely change still.
phf: yeah, saw in logs, i'm going to throw it at the patcher anyway to see if it behaves
mircea_popescu: and on the old films front, "20`000 years in sing sing" is a gnarly piece of nonsense about on there with "the room". except with spencer tracy playing the incomprehensible retard.
phf: so bad, it's not even worth a trilema review. a byline in logs at most.
mircea_popescu: too remarkably bad to not say anything at all.
mircea_popescu: but i mean... dat prison-made REVOLVER. with a PERFECTLY WORKING SILENCER. all made out of common prisonhold materials.
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : silencers dun really work on pistols, even with today's materials science.)
phf: you cut put a silencer on a small caliber subsonic rounds, and then you're going to get a very satisfying "tink tink tink" sound, but that's not going to have any kind of stopping power.
phf: *can
mircea_popescu: no but listen, a revolver, right ? it revolves. how does it revolve ?
mircea_popescu: are you going to put caulk in the space it revolves through ? or what ?
phf: oh oh, right
phf: i missed the revolver part
asciilifeform: nagant -- silenceable
mircea_popescu: leaving aside how you even make revolvers out of whatever dubious zamak. i mean yes i've seen prison made firearms, but they were without exception single round sorta things.
asciilifeform: ( has that oddball expanding neck shell and cylinder that racks forward, closing the gap )
mircea_popescu: gas seal thing
asciilifeform: interestingly, after half century pause, nagant rounds being made again, commercially -- iirc serbia
mircea_popescu: was kind of a big deal for a while, that.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; the item in the film is not a nagant.
phf: i'm not sure what the comparisons to the room mean at this point. i suspect it means "it's not really `so bad it's good`, it's really just dull bad, and you should avoid it", or?
mircea_popescu: oh, and you should see their lock knock system! it looks like a converted sewing machine!
mircea_popescu: phf it means it does not map to any sort of rational, coherent, non-contradictory model of the world.
mircea_popescu: whether one enjoys this or not is muchly a case of mood, i suspect. there's nothing intrinsicly good or valuable about it, it's like pareidolia except not about faces, but about stories. if you see something in there, you brought the something you see from home.
phf: hmm, i can see that
mircea_popescu: items like the celebrated ; is it art ? if you think so, it's definitely not because of it.
phf: that's also a lot more generous than my "goddamn kids trying to force a cult following out of a turd"
mircea_popescu: no but see, it's a fundamental problem of the meta-world. it's not JUST pareidolia that is a very specific disease by which man born after 1990 can be well set apart from man in general. it's also a confusion between pets, ie animals, and cartoon characters, ie fictitious people as discussed in
mircea_popescu: rden-but-otherwise-exactly-the-same/ and "peta" and "stereotypes" and the whole rest of it.
mircea_popescu: could readily argue that it's a cognitive revolution on the level of the original "voices in head" multicameral mind, in impact, effects, whatever.
mircea_popescu: people today literally lost the ability to conceptualize the negative space between ontology and characterisation.
mircea_popescu: which is the deep problem we reference now and again with the "original penguin" stories. "nobody told me that the men with guns can very well kill me" is not the idle protestation of a retard, but the desperate cry of a broken mind that literally DOES NOT REALISE things that weren't on the spec sheet may indeed exist.
mircea_popescu: which is why they make such terrible programmers, "i didn't tell the computer to give out root, why did it ?!" ; and which is why they make such terrible partners, "i did not consent to my asshole being sore after fucking!!1".
mircea_popescu: it all comes down to the same "how can something exist that's not SAID", which is what's at work here too.
mircea_popescu: and obviously the driver of that is, "there's so much said, it's a deluge already, even without considering anything else. so we're not gonna."
mircea_popescu: in any case, all to the last of the paralogic, cvasirational behaviours of the neet, the pantsuit, the modern man generally all come back to this exact problem, of misrepresenting ontology as a subset of gnoseology, "things that exist are those among the things that are said which also had the 'exists' attribute set."
mircea_popescu: needless to say never before was this insanity seriously contemplated, of having reality as a subset of representation.
mircea_popescu: "but mp, you agree the cardinal of the set of all the things that can be represented is larger than the cardinal of the set of all the things that can be" "of course" "so then you say the set of things that are necessarily contains the set of things that can be represented ?" "yes" "but this is self-contradictory!" "hurr. there's more reals than there's rationals, and the happenstance that each rational can be denoted as an i
mircea_popescu: nfinity of nominally different fractions doesn't help this. yes 2/4 3/6 4/8 etc etc. you still can't touch pi, and pi shall bury you."
mircea_popescu: (tl;dr : pantsuit spazzing out over fundamental challenge to their "rationalist" ideals whereby "discussion is only for arguments", "characterization is noise" and all the rest of the "we are an equal bunch that can never be punched" "science")
BingoBoingo: << lean and slow, but surviving. The locals continue to unimpress, the immigrants continue to impress by comparison. The congested head phase of this cold has lead to the odd situation this week where apparently everything I say is intelligible to the locals, but I can't process their auditory noise at all.
BingoBoingo: And fxd
BingoBoingo becoming increasingly racist against Italians
mircea_popescu: italians suck.
BingoBoingo: Until arriving I here I had no idea how much
BingoBoingo: They aren't people
BingoBoingo: The street dogs have more live intelligence among them
mircea_popescu: yet another obscure detail we agree upon
BingoBoingo: "We waz kangz" is ridiculous whether it is the africans or wops claiming it
BingoBoingo: But the detail is less obscure when I am surrounded by them. Or maybe pessimissm is contagious. I disappoints me a bit that I have yet to meet other immigrants interested in extermination talk yet.
BingoBoingo: Biobags, biodiesel, fertilizer plants...
mircea_popescu: phf is the bot dead again ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and yet, they made about half of all the movies ever made worth watching.
BingoBoingo: Those were also the ones good enough to stay in Italy.
asciilifeform: ave1: i regret to say that us post office has a new and fresh fascism , they returned the fg : 'return address must show full legal name' (it had 's.' , for many years was ok, nao apparently not ) . pretty good scam they run, get folx to pay twice for postage, resending. next they will reject because white envelopes will be disallowed, i expect..
asciilifeform: phf: yer bot is dead again ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform war on drugs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gotta be. tho it dun fully explain it, there was whole separate form that got stapled to it, with names, addresses, errything short of fingerprint
asciilifeform: but apparently now ~envelope also~
asciilifeform: << this is good idea , mircea_popescu , i'ma make it happen
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-07 06:01 mircea_popescu: hanbot asciilifeform
asciilifeform: was thinking about something similar earlier.
mircea_popescu: speaking of fingerprints, it's becoming a latam tradition to require fingerprints with various paperwork. whole thing has a very collapse-into-preliterate-times flavour to it
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, since nothing is explained anywhere anymore : the REASON iliterate folk singed as an X was that then they'd put their thumb on the fresh ink dropped in that pattern. it wasn't a blank X.)
BingoBoingo awaits Iraq style "dye you fingers after voting" to come to el Norte
phf: oh ffs
phf: some of the ips from that list we had long time ago have turned into tarpits. the bot will connect, then just sit there until connection timeouts
asciilifeform: phf: which list was this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall, freenode proxies pre "openinternetaccess" ie usg takeover.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-25 01:47 mircea_popescu: phf,,,,,,,,, << pick from there
BingoBoingo: !~later tell Trinque Happy Birthday and Congrats on crossing Block 400000
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and in today's dose of scholarship : the texts of the catholic church endured unchanged for at the least eleven centuries : from the gelasian sacramentary or before, until the 1950s. at this point, the long held tradition of praying "et pro perfidis judaeis" became insufferable. at first giuseppe pacelli declared that "perfidis" in the original does not mean perfidious, but faithless. then roncalli made this an official rule
mircea_popescu: at first, then took the adjective out altogether. then vatican 2 took out the reference to the "veil on the hearts of jews" also, because "possibility of misinterpretation".
mircea_popescu: the funny bit in all of this is that very much yes, the latin "per-fides" much like "per-jury" and other constructions surviving to this day denotes quite literally, faithless, "with a broken apparatus for the human behaviour commonly known as faith".
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, this doesn't actually make the "perfidious" translation incorrect. that's fucking exactly what the term means today, also.
mircea_popescu: that it so happens perfidious has a lot of literary skirting putting it in its proper context, whereas the novel coinage "faithless" does not is kinda like permitting the gypos to change their name, or calling idiocy or "handicap" something else.
mircea_popescu: you know that the rotten substance will permeate eventualyl the fresh covers, and sooner or later you'll have the same association for the new term as for the old, as the association is earned, not arbitrary.
mircea_popescu: but... somehow pantsuit finds itself subjectively in this position where it has the sovereign authority to keep throwing out people's work, and subject them to having to re-do the same work.
mircea_popescu: "please upgrade to the new prayerbook, [and then take another 1100 years to work out the value of "abraham and his posterity", which just happens to be exactly equal to the original "perfidis judaeis", but whatever, you don't KNOW that, yes, it's not "scientific", what do you feel about the methodlogy ?!?!?]"
mircea_popescu: and of course faith here isn't "religious belief", but faith, quite literally, metaphysical trust. the behaviour that breaks the prisonner's dilemma.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ilkka kokkarinen had a hilarious piece iirc re the changing of words, in almost exactly this formulation
mircea_popescu: kinda hard to escape notice.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i find it hysterical that the ~only possible interpretation of the internet meaning of "jew" today is EXACTLY the meaning that the catholics distilled into their prayerbook, "these dorks can't break out of prisonner's dilemma".
mircea_popescu: unspoken, ununderstood, golum of humanity, forever retracing the same potholes.
mircea_popescu: but it certainly puts some cold water on any progressive verbiage. "the people" of today are EXACTLY as smart as the people of forever. euclids, eulers, etceteras come and go, but the problems of reality REMAIN, and remain identically the same, irrespective of the "progress" at the top of the representational hierarchy. what does it help anyone or anything that i sit here and express this in context informed by a three to fiv
mircea_popescu: e millenary cultural tradition, when i'm expressing the exact same things expressed by a similar guy on a history half this tall ?
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp, jewface 4chan memes are so very DIFFERENT from 1418 easter celebration puppet shows" "i'm sure they are ; and i'm sure you'd know ; because i was there back then and didn't see you in the crowd, so logically you'd know and i wouldn't, hurr."
mircea_popescu: now how the fuck this invariance can exist in the first place, and how the fuck that seeming impossibility ~was implemented~, so that whether possessed of speech only, or of speech and the written word, or of speech + written word + pony express, or of all that + internet, boy still doesn't know what the fuck to say to girl AND ALL THAT... how, really. how ?
mircea_popescu: that's metaphysics right there.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the reason pogroms started happening sometime after 1100 or so and then stopped happening sometime aroun 1900 or so has absolotely NOTHING to do with "antisemitism" or "hatred", circle of ~ or not whatever. zilch whatsoever at all.
ave1:, Sorry asciilifeform, this is probably my very very stupid mistake, I checked the address I gave you just now and seem to have put in the old street I lived on with the new housenumber, postal address etc. I do not understand how this could be (both start with an A but other than that no match), and I am very sorry. If you are still willing to send the FG (I hope so) I will repost the address.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-07 16:09 asciilifeform: ave1: i regret to say that us post office has a new and fresh fascism , they returned the fg : 'return address must show full legal name' (it had 's.' , for many years was ok, nao apparently not ) . pretty good scam they run, get folx to pay twice for postage, resending. next they will reject because white envelopes will be disallowed, i expect..
asciilifeform: ave1: seems like they objected to ~my~ return addr
asciilifeform: ave1: but yes if you have updated addr plz gpg, it will go out mon or tues
mircea_popescu: pogroms started happening because the post-cluny society became economically interdependent to a degree where specific behaviours (as above) were required for its survival. as late as 900, everyone could be "for themselves", and mostly not starve, but by 1300 or so the ONLY chance of alimentary survival in western europe, all of england etc was co-operation. and the faithless behaviour is very much a bar to cooperation, and t
mircea_popescu: hereby a major threat to survival.
mircea_popescu: and pogroms stopped happening because as capitalism integrated this interdependency in a more comprehensible conceptual graph, they were no longer blindly necessary. and they're expensive as fuck, so. went bye-bye.
mircea_popescu: pointedly absent in all of this, any giving of a shit ~whatsoever~ about jews in their subjective sense, of "son of my mom" or w/e it is.
ave1: thx asciilifeform, will post it a little later!
mircea_popescu: so rather than taking the "perfidis judaeis" out of the catholic prayerbook, how about replacing all the instances of inept economy discussion on the internet about how 1000 people fish in a pond and then the pond loses productivity and bob comes up with the idea of not fishing so much but abraham BREAKS FAITH with what it fucking is. "the jew jewed the all-filter agreement, duh."
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm done. sorry for the lengthy log spill, it evidently should have been an article but sadly it dribbled into my head in bits and i never realised this.
BingoBoingo: Sometime heads work like that
mircea_popescu: with age especially!
lobbes: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: lobbes: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7010.0, vol: 7642.76183137 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7007.5, vol: 41687.36960522 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7006.6, vol: 6323.66638176 | Volume-weighted last average: 7007.74105462
lobbes: !!invoice ben_vulpes 0.0438 materials procurement (2018-4-7)
lobbes: !!v 3F7AFF0CB02D69437B47D856AF0C9231C63AC99D2D4AAA2C23C9266DC9C9495B
deedbot: Invoiced ben_vulpes 0.0438 << materials procurement (2018-4-7)
mod6: !!invoice ben_vulpes 0.09169539 2 x Samsung EVO 860 1Tb SATA III SSD (2018.04.05) For S.MG box.
mircea_popescu: BURY HIM
mircea_popescu: !!invoice ben_vulpes money plox
mircea_popescu: anxui huh ?
mod6: !!v A6331853F44B13AB77F0A33CB3F6AAA9C9A7A212432EB20567803EA4F31E4117
deedbot: Invoiced ben_vulpes 0.09169539 << 2 x Samsung EVO 860 1Tb SATA III SSD (2018.04.05) For S.MG box.
mod6: heheh, just figured I'd follow lobbes' lead there :]
deedbot: << Bingo Blog - The Italian Problem: A Brief History Of Uruguay
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sounds pantsuit alright. "united losers" is 100% how they do things.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, blog is a sorta notebook thing. Gotta start keeping notes on this shit for the terraforming.
BingoBoingo: Fat Forehead is first and foremost, an ITALIAN political creature. Only united in the sense that they all know they are losers.
mircea_popescu: "Today the Italians rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them... They invented socialism, communism, human rights and democracy so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong, so that they can enjoy equal rights with others. With these they have gained control of the most powerful countries and they, this tiny community, have become a world power."
mircea_popescu: ~Mahathir Mohammed
BingoBoingo: It's what they get for teaming up with the Jews to kill baby Jesus
mircea_popescu: right, cuz pontus pillate was italian!
BingoBoingo: And Italians HATE freedom. Freedom means other people could do things and make them look bad. The Italian agenda means pushing to ban doing things
BingoBoingo: And having wrecked their own Italian, the Italians... like the J00z live in a diaspora
BingoBoingo: Piggie loves when the farmer makes her squeal
BingoBoingo: In other developments of old country... They finally learned to take pictures of their flyers
asciilifeform: lol, 'the coke can on the right'(tm)(r)
BingoBoingo: They disappoint me with how unwoke they are to the I-talian menace
mircea_popescu: they apparently haven't learned how not to sound like fringers with tiny dicks.
mircea_popescu: SMASHING SUCCESS!!!! wrote nigar on bathroom stall in highschool!!11
BingoBoingo: Apparently the tone is intentional. They claim most of their readership is under 24. Apparently in this narrative the kids following the millenials are "Generation Zyklon"
BingoBoingo: The sales pitch is "That cool black kid on the sportsball team keeping you down. It's ok to call him a coon"
BingoBoingo: Kids eat shit.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, this is actually less a "smashing success" than the celebrated lulz.
mircea_popescu: but you know, why take one's rightful place as a tiny item in a larger thing when could hallucinate optionalities and self-importances all day long, and all that.
douchebag: mircea_popescu: You know
douchebag: I really like what you just linked
douchebag: "much smarter girls actually enjoy that very privilege you keep checking."
douchebag: If you want me to throw fliers up all over Chicago
douchebag: let me know
douchebag: Anywhere you want
mircea_popescu: douchebag sure, hit it.
douchebag: Can you link me what to print out ?
mircea_popescu: the article you linked works fine.
mircea_popescu: im sorry. the article you liked*
deedbot: << BARKS IN THE WIND - vtools complete keccak prerelease
douchebag: ^ this one, correct ?
douchebag: And I'll be rewarded for my efforts?
mircea_popescu: sure. what do you want to make ?
douchebag: You're the one with the bitcoin, just tell me where
douchebag: I'll put them near major tourist attractions
mircea_popescu: if memory serves the fiverr doods did something like 50 or 100 or so for five bux, but whatever, you're in the l2, what's minimum wage in your state ?
douchebag: Trump Tower, Willis (Sears) Tower, Cloud Gate
mircea_popescu: 12 bux huh ? so do a day, that's $96, see what you can deliver for it.
douchebag: Awesome
phf: << mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, trinque, mod6 reground vtools with a manifest file , hanbot should be everything to make a patch, get a working press
mircea_popescu: get them printed on autoadhesive paper, it;s not expensive.
douchebag: If I need to print off these flier, if I include the reciept of the printed fliers will you remburse them ?
mircea_popescu: phf saw it yup
mircea_popescu: douchebag if it's not something crazy.
douchebag: Forsure
douchebag: Because I could get easily 500 of these spread across Chicago in about 2 hrs
douchebag: I'll do batches of 100
mircea_popescu: sure, knock yourself out.
douchebag: Also, if there are any particular places you want me to put them
douchebag: Let me know,
mircea_popescu: i don't really care, you know the place better than me.
douchebag: Alright, do I get a bonus if any news organizations pick it up?
mircea_popescu: wherever young sluts are liable to be found that waste their slut potential on idiotic pantsuit ideologies.
mircea_popescu: douchebag sure, you get $50 per interview i give lol.
douchebag: Sounds good friend! Will execute this within the next week or so
mircea_popescu: douchebag one thing : if you do multiple batches, you might consider using multiple headers maybe ?
mircea_popescu: alter the <style type="text/css"> body { background: #fff url('') no-repeat center top; } </style> in the page with whatever found at that url and you're g2g
douchebag: Awesome
phf: this is like tmsr take on un proph├Ęte
mircea_popescu: though if you put the fawkes chicks in there da polis may pick you up ? i dunno.
mircea_popescu: phf i can see the angle huh!
douchebag: I'll keep it lowkey
hanbot: ahh, #trilema-lowkey, that lonely shuffle-parlor
mircea_popescu: have we done a low key thing yet ?
douchebag: By low key, I mean I'll put them in high traffic areas
douchebag: but I'm not going to stick around too long, I will provide photos
mircea_popescu: douchebag do you have a blog yet ?
douchebag: Not yet, I was planning on putting it on the server I should be getting within the next week or two ish ?
mircea_popescu: seems like the eminent place for the pics / story of the adventure.
douchebag: hahaha that sounds like a good idea
douchebag: will provide many lulz
hanbot: douchebag there's a bitcent from me in it for you if you get a snap of a trilema printout in the Seminary Co-op bookstore near U of Chicago there.
douchebag: Awesome
douchebag: Will do
douchebag: Any other requests? Skyscrapers, Buildings, Peoples front doors, People's cars, ect...
asciilifeform: douchebag: palmer hotel
asciilifeform: and the 'fine arts bldg' lobby
douchebag: forsure
lobbes: only thing I remember from my few Chicago visits was that metallic bean thing. Was a high-foot traffic area iirc
douchebag: Yeah that's cloud gate
douchebag: I'm planning on sticking a flyer directly on the bean
lobbes: haha nice
douchebag: Yeah man, I'm not too shy when it comes doing shit like this
douchebag: I'll stick one right on the skydeck in Willis Tower too
douchebag: That'll cost money though if I remember correctly
douchebag: I think it will be a real fun day, especially telling the workers at these places to fuck off while they're threatening to call the cops on me
mircea_popescu: << basically the "girl gets restless on farm, joins gypsy caravan to get pregnant" story retold, in up to date terms. i suppose the slice of about-read-to-great-again us as the third world shithole it ~actually~ is has some documentary value.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 01:08 gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu American Honey review, or totally unwatchable?
mircea_popescu: otherwise, it's made by people who haven't the first clue re principal cinematography, editing, purchasing, anything. the script is evidently laboured, and not terrible. it takes a lot of effort to rise to the level of unremarkable in that field.
mircea_popescu: anyway, a sort of "pennsylvania magical realism" if you will, where "magazine subscription" selling outfit doesn't need a SOP for dealing with hookers, because they're not everyu other recruit ; nor are there any pimps to burn down your shit for turning tricks in their hick town ; and you can safely go for attempted murder + gta in rural texas and get away with it np.
mircea_popescu: they evidently have nfi who adriana was, for instance, judging by how chick misses out on drowning for a closer. it's just... i'd pass them if they were in my hs cinema school, and throw away the tape.
mircea_popescu: hs cinema class*
a111: Logged on 2018-04-08 02:45 douchebag: I think it will be a real fun day, especially telling the workers at these places to fuck off while they're threatening to call the cops on me
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