ave1: asciilifeform, I'm reading trough chapter 2 and I've tried to get inlining to work, but so far have failed, nothing gets inlined outside of the defining module!
ave1: also, The "Inline_Always" pragma's seem to in the wrong part of the code (but does not help moving"
ave1: i.e. when running with "-gnatwa", I get " warning: pragma appears too late, ignored"
ave1: o wait, that is only in combination with "-gnatN", so ignore the Inline_Always comment
ave1: I was debugging the code and saw that the functions where not inlined "FZ_Clear", "FZ_*" etc.
ave1: So, I started to try commandline options
ave1: Ok I will check further into the code, bbl
ave1: strange that in disasm I see call <fz_...>, but will try more!
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mod6: try as i might, i can't picture how a photo would help to exploit yer box ( aside from the 'tells enemy which rack to dynamite' aspect, but mp_en_viaje addressed that one earlier ) << Ah, datacenter fellow expressed some bemused curiosity about the unbranded Qntra machine. Apparently everything else is plastered in brand names because latino rather than assembled into generic steel chicom chassis
BingoBoingo: <trinque> BingoBoingo: when do you anticipate having a final number for 1U of space, and when do you plan on beginning to rack customer machines? << I am putting out solicitations for hardware again to the local shops today. Will squeeze in a pricing post today for the Republic's consideration.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Gotta inquire because the shops dun know how to web right
BingoBoingo: Still, they get an email along the lines of "I am scaling up my business here in Uruguay and need a bunch of 1U server boxes. What can you get as whole computers or empty cases?
BingoBoingo: Still haven't found it. Most of the local scrapping industry tends to center around hawking junk finds at la Feria Tristan Narvaja on Sundays.
BingoBoingo: Beating the garbage truck to the dumpster seems to be a substantial activity here.
trinque: eh the no-prices thing is an orc haggling thing
trinque: well, it's why I always beat vendors with either other vendor quotes or other quotes from same vendor
BingoBoingo: trinque: Other suppliers list prices, but everyone gets a solicitation.
trinque: waits patiently for a gossipd atop which to redo hypertext
trinque: ^ how are you going to know whether item over there changed without HEAD
trinque: that'll make mirroring impossible
trinque: I have the gentoo distfiles on http
trinque: you're going to what, download the whole hundreds of gb every time you sync?
trinque: I will not use an item that can't give me metadata for a given path without loading the potentially gigantic item itself
trinque: should the fs require you read() whole file to know file metadata?
trinque: and furthermore the idea that providing just the headers, which already exists as a codepath, and then bailing, adds mb, is idiotic
trinque: bahaha, yes, you can time your control-c *just so* that you get only headers
trinque: this is not a serious conversation
trinque: --no-if-modified-since uses HEAD, probably others
trinque: lets say you use your "magic file" for mirroring, manifest, then what when the manifest is very large?
trinque: there is no magic amount of space on the receiving end that will always be there!
trinque: "do I already have the item at $path" and "how big is the item at $path" are interesting questions without the server beginning to transmit the item itself.
trinque: I'm not here to defend HTTP, you are, by trying to fix it
trinque: if you make something sufficiently incompatible with HTTP as is, get rid of it, why fix
trinque: I'm just telling you tools will want things you're muntzing, so why bother trying to fix
trinque: however if your replacement can't cough up arbitrary answers *about* items it serves, I wont use it
trinque: spent enough in the mines *not* to want to fix http
trinque: to host mp-wp for instance, gonna have to either implement fcgi, cgi, or http proxy back to other http server
BingoBoingo: And routers, and not jungle cargo cult "Why would you want a network that isn't WiFi?" inventory selection
trinque: in a library http server, one wouldn't implement "HEAD" anyway, would just pass the headers as a structure to w/e handling function, which shits what it likes
trinque: can put "FART" in the method header now, if you like
mod6: nothing for allcomers
trinque: yeah, well, that isn't stateless is it
trinque: anyhow, I will not begrudge a muntzed http server
trinque: it's just gonna be a sad experience, since it has to be a wartime compromise
trinque: tries to remember if chunked transfer encoding is both ways with
http, or only a response thing
trinque: BingoBoingo: looking like it'd be way cheaper to ship
trinque: ...surely this datacenter has servers in it? that someone bought?
trinque: BingoBoingo: any recommendations from the DC themselves?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or is this what it all ends up costing after the extortionate tax..? << The +IVA means the price is before the tax. Gets hit with a duty when it hits the border, shipping here doesn't seem to have a trivial cost, and something like the label printer there just might not be anyone else selling. But $495 for a $300 in the US ubiquity Edgerouter Pro isn't too bad
http://www.palser.com/productos/productos_masinfo.php?id=17661
BingoBoingo: 2&secc=productos&id_color_inic=&path=0.2309.2392
BingoBoingo: trinque: They appear to be banging their heads talking directly to supermicro
trinque: ftr does not have $5k server dealwithit money
trinque: BingoBoingo: what's "appear"? how did other people put boxes in their racks?
BingoBoingo: Well, other racks seem to have a lot of towers. My suspicion on the rack mount equipment is the ever popular trip to Miami route.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> holyfuq, konsoomer towers in racks in dc << Cargo cult
TomServo: There appears to be "- 36 MONTHS PROSUPPORT AND NBO ON-SITE SERVICE" included in the price, which - shouldn't be required, right?
BingoBoingo: TomServo: This is why I am emailing. See if I can get that shit knocked off
phf: i suspect local orcs have alternative paths for procurement, was sop in russia in the 90s. you could go to "official dealer" type place and pay 10x, or you would haggle for price at Gorbushka, bazar style
phf: that would be congruent with the russian practice
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 15:53 asciilifeform: HEAD requests
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 16:20 phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same
phf: last time it was brought up was probably due to me, since i was looking into hipster gopher revival that's going on (was going on?)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 19:49 asciilifeform: anyone ever tempted to revive gopher ?
phf: i mean, i can see the argument for "no head", but it's one of those cases where "if we don't have head, we'll have to invent it", with e.g. manifests, or cgi scripts that you can use to query for changes, etc. but why not let resource answer things about itself as part of protocol rather than everyone for themselves?
phf: fwiw http protocol is built around verbs on resources, cutting head is going to remove the specific mechanism you're dispatching to, but not the dispatch mechanism itself (that you still need for e.g. POST)
trinque: yeah, arguable there's a saner way to get metadata, harder to argue getting metadata by itself isn't useful
phf: "what if anything changed" is not the only question that head answers
phf: head specifically answers ctime of file, size of file and any additional stuff that server might deem useful to provide in form of (likewise protocol essential rfc headers)
phf: in general though, as is obvious from name, head return same headers that get would return, but without the content
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: that loox moar like it. can these be had ? << It is a sorts local Amazon/Craigslist combination. Stuff there appears attainable.
phf: "please be ready to send me this 1tb file, just kidding i only want 50b of headers"
BingoBoingo: So there is a vendor to vendor element of buyer beware.
phf: are you selectively picking your heathenisms?
phf: that's fair, you could do GET with a range of 0 bytes at 0 offset
phf: well, that's like saying that the mass of reditards don't follow specs so nor should we
trinque: the range idea is the sort of reductive compromise that's both a fine thing in reducing complexity and completely incorrect if designing from scratch
trinque: if you tell me offset 0 range 0 I should ignore you entirely
trinque: if it did that, yes, but you don't have a fixed headers length in http
phf: i thought you're answering trinque's point
trinque: my statement was that yes ^ and also for the logs "you wouldn't design something where $giveMeNoneOfIt implicitly means a metadata fetch"
phf: so i've used HEAD before, but not in a batch process. i use it frequently for two purposes, one is to verify that the request goes through and server is prepared to send me data. the other is to request file metadata before i start pulling it, i have a curl alias for that.
phf: because not every server supports ranged requests
phf: and some have them explicitly disabled
phf: oh get the fuck out of here
phf: no you can't, i'm not on trial here to do discovery for you
phf: i'm talking from personal experience and in good faith
trinque: offering use of HEAD to minimize churn on distfile server from teh same place
phf: asciilifeform: because i don't remember specific names. the experience is not uncommon, because "interrupted download, let me try restarting from the middle" fails more frequently than not
trinque: even manifest doesn't need to churn that much, but can sure.
mod6: asciilifeform: 'sane manifest' =~ <+asciilifeform> then it oughta be in sections, and the sections in small manifest. merkle-style. ?
trinque: I ask you whether you have the hash. Is this the same request as "give me $hash"?
trinque: maybe I don't want it; I want to tell my friend I know somebody who has
trinque: sure, but this is the most general piece of information you get out of HEAD, the status code response
trinque: and they did this badly, verbs being nonsensical "programming in plain english"
phf: asciilifeform: one data point is that in e.g. nginx max_ranges is a parameter, which can be explicitly set to 0 to disable ranges, and if you search for it you get "how do i disable ranges" q's presumably by people configuring web servers. you don't have an equivalent for HEAD. likewise HEAD is part of the original spec, where's ranges is a later addition. it stands to reason that the number of times range fails would be non 0 even with "modern" setups
trinque: if talking about denoting "get headers only" a different way, it's hard to say that loses anything.
trinque: if can't get 'em by themselves at all, another question
phf: these are silly criteria for protocol ~design~, because the absolute "if we don't have it we'll die" wartime mentality lets you make infinite circles in a turing complete situations. ascii wants the buck to stop at range, i want to stop it at head, it's an arbitrary decision
trinque: sure, I don't think there's a republican http any more than there's a republican linux
phf: we can reduce everything to just get requests (cut the headers, too, except for Content-Length), where ranges are done by "/downloads?file=...&start=...&end"
trinque: the various attempts at "cuntoo" have sputtered for precisely that reason, buckstoppoints are arbitrary in hell
phf: content-type is a meaningless header, since that's up to client to decide anyway (and it's frequently misconfigured), all the other headers are straight up metadata fluff.
BingoBoingo: Not of the cage yet (hopefully acquire a box to take there Monday), just of my berth and my person.
mod6: looks like nice weather BB
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The beard was longer before the trendy Latino haircut. Then I had to take it down to match.
BingoBoingo: mod6: It is indeed. Just gotta remember sunscreen here.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 23:47 asciilifeform recalls c3 and ~week spent in the sun, and 0 burn
BingoBoingo: Hence the chosen angle of the face. My nose is a solar concentrator.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sounds about right. Maybe 150 km.
BingoBoingo: Burn's not quite the right word for my experience with it. More like a slow cooking. But some of the Brasileros even get sunburn. Especially as they head further out east to Rocha. One brasilero came back this week from there with profound sunburn.
BingoBoingo: I suspect it could be the air quality here. Very little air polution, especially of the particulate variety.
BingoBoingo: And there tends to be very little cloudcover in the afternoons here.
BingoBoingo: And for a closer view from my early eyes here, the tower we are concerned with is the fellow to the left in this first picture. The steel and glass fellows in the center are towers 1-3 in no particular order and the brick guy to the right is the southwest corner of Montevideo Shopping.
BingoBoingo: Second photo looking is looking in the opposite direction from the same spot. That tower is the WTC FreeZone where you gotta pay a user fee to get in. May the ISP grow big enough to escape VAT thusly.
BingoBoingo: I will have to dig that up, but it is not trivial and requires having a foreign corporation in the loop somewhere. Perhaps someone with a corp that is offshore to Uruguay can inquire? Depends on the revenue reported and a whole bunch of other miscellanea.
BingoBoingo: But they are expanding the border wall separating the Free Zone from Uruguay in order to build a second tower there.
BingoBoingo: Third picture with the sad lawn is where they are prepping to build a generic WTC tower 5
mircea_popescu: done for now. item worked quite well for the purpose, huh.
mircea_popescu: looked out of curiosity. in the intervening ~week, trikema spam thingee canned 836 comments, has doubts about 11 and disconnected outright before "put in comment" phase about 1/4 mn attempts.
mircea_popescu: really clicking "spam" a dozen times is not much of a hassle here.
mircea_popescu: in other "i'm back here let's check things", teh fetlife bot has been going unmolested for the interval. it must suck to work for these website-business-technologies.
mircea_popescu: you'll have to tell me what it consists of ? what are you asking ?
mircea_popescu: oh the bot. it got iced once for one week in the intervening... i dun even recall, quarter or two
mircea_popescu: part of the extensive package of verbal spin and idle posturing post mp-raped-us 2015 festival, they introduced a "your cat may have walked on your keyboard and you can not log into your account for one week now, you know, for security" item.
mircea_popescu: i expect they hit their genuine lusers with it about 99x more frequently, but that's just a hunch.
mircea_popescu: it's deeply retarded, because it's algorithmic. sleep $[ ( $RANDOM % x ) + y evidently kills it.
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a111: Logged on 2013-11-02 00:07 asciilifeform: when i read these pitches, i can't help but recall: "...Filtration System A Marvel to Behold! It Removes Eighty Percent of Human Solid Waste!"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 17:17 a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 16:49 phf: etc. but the most pantsuit aspect of this situation? the infamous well written freebsd documentation is not up to date to any of these new improvements.
mircea_popescu: there you will sit, in the not so distant future, trying to figure out what the fuck $item, $tool, $whatever does, with two options before you : a) read mov push pop etc ; b) read "It`d be advisable to will mainly because that maybe what it's actually."
mircea_popescu: technical writing by highschool graduates reads shockingly similar to legal writing by highschool graduates.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 17:19 mp_en_viaje: they're not DOING anything ; just trying to LOOK A CERTAIN WAY, with a minimum of expenditure.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 14:38 ave1: yep
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779409 << this should prolly be standard preface of ada behaviour discussions ; ffa or non-ffa related. asciilifeform maybe you should add it as a comment you know ? at the top of the pile, "if anything's strange say @me in #trilema, please preface the saying with and-here's-my-grep-v"
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 15:05 asciilifeform: ave1: and plz post the output of gnat -v .
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 15:37 BingoBoingo: Still, they get an email along the lines of "I am scaling up my business here in Uruguay and need a bunch of 1U server boxes. What can you get as whole computers or empty cases?
mircea_popescu: (and more practically : when's my deadline for speccing my boxes with you ?)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pardon my thickness, where do you want qntra ns pointed again ? ideally in the format ns1= ns2=
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779424 << i entirely expect this. it helps to think of all of orclands, which is to say all asia, africa and south/central america as nations of scavengers with a thin layer of aspierational idiots approximately floating atop it.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 15:39 asciilifeform: it is also possible that this is one of those orcistans where there is not such a thing as a scrapyard, errything gets picked up by scavengers and reused same day
mircea_popescu: "here's what your fashions were three decades ago, dear european masterfriend. i hope you are very much impressed with how up to date we are here in $shithole! just like real people rite ???"
mircea_popescu: "la democracia es el unico regimen que protege y promoueve la libertad" and so on, the wall hadn't even fallen yet exposing the fundamental inadequacy of all socialisms in the process, whether roosevelt style or not.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 15:49 asciilifeform: and imho selling 10+ yr old server, prolly complete with fan dust cake, for 'you must ask for quote!' takes some cheek.
mircea_popescu: their currencies are about as stable wrt to the dollar as the dollar is stable wrt bitcoin. it is not physically possible to have anything like a meaningful price in spanish.
mircea_popescu: even leaving aside the "argentine peso, 8.35 to the dollar according to "independent" govt banks, 27 to the dollar when mp sells it", colombia : 2750ish official, 3100 real.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 15:50 trinque waits patiently for a gossipd atop which to redo hypertext
mircea_popescu: (all kidding aside, can and has bought dried coca leaves in a box. looks just like ordinary tea. five bux."
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 15:51 asciilifeform: e.g. directory listing
mircea_popescu: (i'm aware everyone derps about "DANGERS", but seems to me very much a case of photographed box)
deedbot: xahlee voiced for 30 minutes.
xahlee: i thought asciilifeform the handle is familiar but forgot where
xahlee: yes, that i knew, recently saw u guy's chat. :D
xahlee: yes. thx. yeah i think that's the site i saw few weeks ago
xahlee: haven't had a gpg key... will take me a while to readup again
xahlee: haven't had for a while. last time was some year ago, oh signing emacs shit
xahlee: ok. will make new but probably later today.
xahlee: i email u then, later.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 20:21 mircea_popescu: (and more practically : when's my deadline for speccing my boxes with you ?)
phf: oh cool was just reading guy's pages recently (work people discovered mechanical keyboards, buying up crates of stuff, iranian style)
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 20:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when's your visit there scheduled ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, buy tickets so we have something definite, and say.
mircea_popescu: is a man with a 90 day visa on a 25 days remaining temporary passport and without an id since... 2014 ? 2013 ?
phf: special material that mp runs on that has a byproduct of robbing others of agency, see also superman
mircea_popescu: when we originally met, many moons ago, hanbot was very impressed with my casual "diplomatic car ? of course i've ridden around in one". in her girly days this had seemed like the crux of cool, you know, "wanna gimme a ticket ? send it to bucharest."
mircea_popescu: this trip she got to ride around in one ; and found out that the ambassador's official representation car is exactly her mark and mode ; except made in mexico not imported from bayerische krankenwerk directly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform am i decoding this incorrectly or are you saying that we will be paying ~at least~ one month of rent on an unused rack ?!
mircea_popescu: more practically, how does ride over to wash dc, leave car in deep parking, get alf's boxes, fly over to bb, come back, extract your car go home sound ?
trinque: got laguardia and newark within dpb range
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform conceivably you could also meet him at airport ?
mircea_popescu: getting to meet other lord for 1st time always worth something.
mircea_popescu: is he all like hipster style, soulpatches and whatnot ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally intel sayz good links to sa are all from miami/ft lauderdale etc ; not so much ny.
mircea_popescu: also related, BingoBoingo if he brings you pogos, how do you plan to use ? decase and mount in an ad-hoc thing, 8-10-12 to the u ?
mircea_popescu: and re the "use ips" : very cheap solution is to run bitcoin nodes, i'm told. those evidently can't share ips.
phf: fwiw, i could pick up ascii's stuff and go next week even, but the flights are ~~$1200, which i don't have a budget for at the moment.
danielpbarron: i'm about to move to oklahoma, waiting to hear back from lawyer regarding a reckless driving charge before that.
phf: dc all airports to montevideo LATAM, Avianca, also the usual pick of american, united, etc. looked at flights.goog. i suspect there's some indirect hop from southern u.s. but flight there within u.s. from dc is not going to be cheap ("going to warm places vacation season")
danielpbarron: i just need to be in court whenever they say, don't know a date yet
mircea_popescu: see what coppa has to say ? they generally have sub 1k 2 weeks out sorta thing.
phf: well, sometimes if you have to travel with, like, farmers transporting their goats and such, it can be a reasonable price in return
mircea_popescu: they generally connect you through panama, which is not bad for your case, middle of the way
mircea_popescu: copa is cheap-ish and pretty good ; the rest are gringo airlines doing dumb shit like hubbing through us cities. which makes your voyage split 3/10 rather than 5-7 or so
phf: lulz, copa's website really doesn't like my firefox.
phf: really anything is cheaper than u.s. intermediate city relay. my favorite is nyc moscow $600, dc moscow (through nyc) $1600
phf: "cheapest" i'm finding is feb13-feb21st at $1100
phf: 13h flight, yeah that's basically indian territory, so makes sense for the price.
mircea_popescu: i'm picking up your flight if you're putting in the sweat.
mircea_popescu: phf you can also book with a day+ layover in panama on your way back. for one thing you get to see the place and despise panama for good reason rather than by hearsay ; for the other flight over here is ~1hr ~every hour.
mircea_popescu: 11 days should be enough for alf to bake the boxes i expect. danielpbarron i think he's better suited as they're right next to each other ; but pending discussion with bb can you fedex some pogos ?
ben_vulpes: i live in possibly one of the worst places to travel from, but i've got two servers for the foundation sitting on my office floor i gotta get down there as well, so if asciilifeform's rotrip delay is that much sand in the gears i can make the run to uruguay
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes conceivably could fedex to phf once this is sealed ?
mircea_popescu: of course you two could also fly independently and meet there for mini bbisp conference
mircea_popescu: i think since we're doing this let's do it right, so get it an 8 cable card all sat down. what boards were these i forget ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rather, can i get out of you a post with what there is ; and what there can be had reasonably (out of the very narrow set of reasonable gear anyway)\
mircea_popescu: this dribbling of bits and pieces is set to become the principal enemy of the republic in terms of how much damage it does.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform merits absolutely, giving that there is a whole raft of future reference looking at a spark point in the past.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 18:40 asciilifeform: i have currently 3 boxen for pilot plant. all 3 contain 32cores of 'opteron 6376'. 2 of them contain 256M of ram; 1 currently has 24G ( can hold up to 256 ). each has 2 x G/sec nics, 2 x (reduntant) 700W ps .
mircea_popescu: not even necessarily photo, a simple "here is what we have, COMPLETE specs ; and what we probably might want to ~EVER~ get".
mircea_popescu: it will become a sort of reference item over time i suspect.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform get the girl to film that, now THAT is quality entertainment content.
phf: your ring as applied to wax
mircea_popescu: but not the shape of your 2nd concubine's clitoral hood or w/e you use
mircea_popescu: actually, microfiber in glass may work as a modern seal. expensive as all fuck and not at all contemplated for this application
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 03:18 asciilifeform: clever, seems to use unique rf characteristics of a random wire hairball
mircea_popescu: but you melt glass (acetylene burner, not the end of world), laser burn the pattern into receiving fiber caught inside. seal blanks would look like old style fuses basically
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the innovation is that you cut some of the loops.
mircea_popescu: but i find it a great cranktopic to crank in mind. if for no other reason than because it's probably the ancient invention of seal that we owe technology to
phf: well, main question is we're shipping in a crate proper, rather than say, luggage bag, it will be opened. in fact we're playing lottery here with opening, inspecting and tampering, seal or no seal
phf: ah, i wasn't sure about ascii
mircea_popescu: the alf methjod, and i expect is correct, is "i got technical samples, i am taking to $conference" or w/e.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform incidentally intel sayz good links to sa are all from miami/ft lauderdale etc ; not so much ny. << The plane that does the American Airlines direct Miami-Montevideo route is older than I am. Flights routinely cancelled for repairs. Copa's panama to Montevideo service though is reliable.
ben_vulpes: phf: you have rackcrate? get from asciilifeform ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: let's include several variants for completeness : 1) fedex , and chancing the VAT 2) somebody other than asciilifeform , who can go sooner, goes, delivers a box 3) BingoBoingo obtains box locally << Fedex to Montevideo is a certain VAT, and random chance of additional import duty.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: throw 'em on gurneys in la aeropuerto?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he's been on icraps so long he forgot the kbd is intended for fingers
ben_vulpes: no, i have viral load and it's in my everything
mircea_popescu: used to dick around on girls' ipad, playing games w/e.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes did you get febra amarilla vacunacion btw ? BECAUSE IT CAN BE HEMORHAGIC!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> also related, BingoBoingo if he brings you pogos, how do you plan to use ? decase and mount in an ad-hoc thing, 8-10-12 to the u ? << Pretty much this.
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phf: ben_vulpes: republican matters is like reading leaves, i'm trying to figure out dimensions and who's sending what first. fwiw shipping a rack full (as opposed to ascii's original "2 machines") is going to run up the bill just on the oversized charges with airline
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laplinker: asciilifeform: no i hadnt had the chance, sorry
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo got a clear anything in mind, or just hoping it'l work ? have a case somewhere you intend to cram them in so we can look before committing ?
mircea_popescu: phf the plan here is : 2 boxes alf already has + 5ish for me, depending on what we manage to extract out of his menu a la carte + some pogos if we are satisfied these can be run up.
mircea_popescu: shouldn't be over 20kgs all told, this ; should fit among clothes.
phf: asciilifeform: 3 1u's or 3 3us :)
laplinker: yeah, i know. i thought you'd like to know that
mircea_popescu: laplinker make a pgp key if you don't have one, !!register and then you'll be able to self-voice once someone rates you
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Looking for empty 1U cases. Put fans in there and affix pogos
laplinker: So it is possible to resetbreak with jtag over usb on intel coffeelake
phf: hey, i'm down for a free vacation, but i'm not convinced that the costs work out in our favour
mircea_popescu: laplinker if jtag stuff left in or even if you resolder it in ?
laplinker: no soldering, and yes, i can confirm i tried it myself
laplinker: i havnt tried that one yet, just dumped smram so far
phf: mircea_popescu: fedex or better yet a private shipping container, later will take couple of weeks though
laplinker: so far it looks like anything past skylake, just need to enable it from bios, it differes per platform.
laplinker: mircea_popescu: its a "special" usb cable , DbC cable
mircea_popescu: phf compare like things. (phf, bb meet ; boxes in republican custody whole time, delivered) $x vs (fedexed boxes) $y.
laplinker: cpu debug msr c80 needs to be set early as well as enable DCI
laplinker: after that you can set HW breakpoint
phf: mircea_popescu: boxes are not in custody during air travel
mircea_popescu: phf very different levels of "not in custody", even if we're accepting the objection.
phf: mircea_popescu: hey i flew moscow in the 90s, i'm trained that putting anything in luggage is playing a roulette
mircea_popescu: yes, well, i don't foresee littoral combat airplane following copa around to diddle your equipaje.
laplinker: asciilifeform: are you targeting before first fetch of the cpu?
laplinker: asciilifeform: it should be possible, i need to do some tests
mircea_popescu: somehow he went to india and they didn't steal his gf ; what do orcs want with weird non-galaxy looking cuisinart boxes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe to expose him for the fraud he is ?
mircea_popescu: maybe he's just an idiot and forgot where he left it ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> shouldn't be over 20kgs all told, this ; should fit among clothes. << I used beach towels and blankets.
mircea_popescu: very unlikely case, he didn't not get it off conveyor,
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 15:52 asciilifeform: 'keep-alive'
mircea_popescu: and cuz if you do something like wget a whole site it actually helps both you and it.
mircea_popescu: (i don't mean it's the same thing ; i mean it's in the http because it was in the tcp.
mircea_popescu: and how, because of the way threading half-works, how.)
mircea_popescu: the sum of the cost of getting ten items through one link between the same parties is lower than the sum of the cost of ghetting ten items through ten links.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 15:54 asciilifeform: i've never written proggy that issues 'HEAD'
a111: Logged on 2018-01-20 17:13 mircea_popescu: "do not use 2nd class link as 1st class link".
mircea_popescu: > head site/dickpix ; < site/dicks-today ; > get site/dicks-today
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 15:55 trinque: you're going to what, download the whole hundreds of gb every time you sync?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 15:56 asciilifeform: we don't use it ? it dies. that simple
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 15:59 asciilifeform: ditto OPTIONS and other liquishit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo this is a misstatement of what it does.
mircea_popescu: you understand keepalive is often issued by THE SILENT PARTY, while LISTENING ?
mircea_popescu: more apt would be to say it's the "yeah... aha... yeah" humming while someone's telling you how they crashed the car.
mircea_popescu: it's complicated, dood, http ended up hammered into shape much like sealife, over evolutionary spans.
mircea_popescu: "i don't see why this fish should have colors, bleach it" is not much bioengineering.
mircea_popescu: most submarines do in fact have gills ; and way more is spent for their painting than on say car's.
mircea_popescu: i get it, you're lazy, nothing wrong with it. the lazy implementation approach is even defensible politically.
mircea_popescu: but you're not saying "w/e, ima implement x when gettign around to it"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-06 23:02 asciilifeform: libffa ( the actual arithmetism ) is cumulatively ~1900 loc, (80col!11) inclusive of whitespace , banners, and commentolade ; ffacalc apparatus another ~900, ditto.
mircea_popescu: sorry gabriel_laddel i was just kidding about the coca tea. sent some to other people.
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gabriel_laddel: Inventory arrived from CA a few days ago and am rebuilding M. mircea_popescu well you certainly know how to get my attention..
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: yes and yes. coffee still works fine too. no cross tolerence with meth
mircea_popescu: god forbid alf tries anal, ends up unable to enjoy a blowjob.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: exact same thing you or anyone else get from it. Focus, awake, music sounds real nice suddenly interested in life
mircea_popescu: i am willing to sign and attest that all you noobs have no fucking idea what coffee even is.
mircea_popescu: must drink a cup in costa rica (or colombia, for that matter) first, to qualify.
mircea_popescu: argentina ? not even! not that it's bad, but the standard coffee bar is made of gold-iridium alloyfor reason
mod6: i did like the coffee in .ar. but im used to the engine-degreasing shit.
mircea_popescu: let's just say i had an airport cappuccino recreationally in bogota airport.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:02 trinque: bahaha, yes, you can time your control-c *just so* that you get only headers
mircea_popescu: maybe i should offer my services as phd-assemblyline meat-head emmulator!
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gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: unfortunately not. Am here because I finally have a nice setup where I won't get kicked regularly. While I have been reading some FFA and DC I do not have anything running at the moment
mircea_popescu: mine was from hating having to clean jammed firearms, but anyways
mod6: especially when guns are cold.
mircea_popescu: anyway, not "one true reason", by any means. most idiots overgrease them, calamite jam.
mod6: what, they cook-off rounds?
mod6: ive never seen that from the heat, only after barrel is uber hot from multiple mag-dumps
mircea_popescu: part of the problem is that "jam" describes about as usefully a bevy of conditions as "sick"
mod6: i hate having to unjam a double feed on a hot rifle. anyone ever done that before?
mod6: aught to be practiced probably, because in field, that could be a killer.
mod6: i did see a lot of guys have failure to cycle/extract with their semi-auto .12gas during the hunting season.
mod6: it gets below say, 15 deg F. and bolt starts to resist from the gummy oil
mod6: old guys freaking out. lol
mircea_popescu: no, really, the russkis have it. special winter lubricant.
mod6: i think most of these guys use that remoil stuff. i'll have to check into that.
mircea_popescu: they probably do ; you can tell eg cold gun, slide barely moves forward, when it should slap right in. it's prolly crappy oil if the gun is clena.
mod6: one day it was -8 Deg. F. and we were out there, i had two times where cycle was slow. but cleaned shotgun after, never had same problem after that.
mircea_popescu: of course, problems compound. dubious oil, kinda dirty ammo, not holding gun properly during fire, well... it can take 2 not 3 how about that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah and not like it's expensive. a case of "i'm buying the 25 cent a gallon item because i never heard of the 35 cent a galon"
mod6: true enough mircea_popescu. if you don't properly shoulder the weapon, can have funny effects.
mod6: i gotta get some of that.
mircea_popescu: mod6 he has no idea ; it's not expensive considering what the actual cost per round is. add in all the capital costs, including the fact you're wasting your time there rather than diddling the local highschool girls' volleyball team...
mircea_popescu: besides, it provides an excellent incentive not to overgrease, which is added value just by itself.
mod6: is it hard to get firearms in cr?
mod6: well thats sweet then.
mircea_popescu: and illegally, it's la-ish. police ends up in "balacera" with rando orc criminals biweekly.
mod6: it seems insane to me to go anywhere guns are not readily available. london, for instance.
mod6: much in the way of geese or ducks for game?
mod6: lol, if you're hungry it wilL!
mircea_popescu: not much game, lotta protected animals, it's not really a hutning spot. there's some, but nowhere near what you're prolly used to.
mircea_popescu: eh, notice the pieces are like 1 a year. notice also the "judge releases" etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, shooting a toucan / cougar / etc seems pretty retarded. and nfi why you'd come all the way over here for fawn when you can just go to midwest like sane people.
mircea_popescu: nothing like tiger, that actively stalks villages / takes babies.
mircea_popescu: problem with wild felines is that meeting is neither good for you nor for them.
mircea_popescu: i prefer to encounter the bipedal kind instead. more fun, and good for all around.
mircea_popescu: if it panics and charges you you'll have to kill it, which is at best regrettable. meeting's not good for you.
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't and runs away it'll still remember the encounter. not good for it.
mircea_popescu: well odds are you don't know where you are and what you just stepped on.
mircea_popescu: not like they signal anything properly in this country.\
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems deductively self-evident that the superlative state of wildness is "has never seen man".
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:07 asciilifeform: then it oughta be in sections, and the sections in small manifest. merkle-style.
mircea_popescu: for the same reason "we cut gcc into more files, it is less big now" makes no sense.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:10 trinque: "do I already have the item at $path" and "how big is the item at $path" are interesting questions without the server beginning to transmit the item itself.
mircea_popescu: i don't care to hear "item was put here on incatime so and so" ; just let me know what its hash is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, we're actually saying the exact same thing, i misunderstood what manifest you had in mind.
mircea_popescu: but yes, no argument that "modified" q being handled by timedate is beyond idiotic and has no future.
mircea_popescu: the other perhaps important point is that extant http servers have a very loose and distant relation to fs.
mircea_popescu: and it is a fact that a server's needs towards the disk are specific, specifiable, and very visibly different from "general purpose"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the tightening point may be the very merkle tree in question, which could, for instance, be directly the addressing scheme
mircea_popescu: disk keeps a journaling and server keeps a manifesting ? gimme a break.
mod6: They shot the thing with a fuckin bb gun, and it died extra slow. That kinda pisses me off.
mod6: Sorry, got pulled off for a momemnt, just reading this thing. I dunno if they need laws for that kinda thing, just kinda not what is supposed to happen though.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 22:30 asciilifeform: fwiw i'm still quite convinced that errything other than GET and PUT is ~= prb orphanage.
mircea_popescu: mod6 some fucking sense would help. but the truth is toucan is eaten here traditionally
mod6: ah. yes, sense indeed.
mircea_popescu: and the rurals really dun give a shit some dumb broad hoping to study criminology in maryland thinks
mircea_popescu: put uploads a file, post makes a get with the params in a different encoding
mircea_popescu: basically, people had a scheme, then started stuffing data in it (get was born) then stuffed so much discovered it really should go INSIDE the envelope not on it, so post was born
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's your blog do when you upload pics, shellout to scp ?
mircea_popescu: shellout is always inferior solution, you understand this, yes ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:16 asciilifeform: 170 usd for a 20usd label printer, notbad
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: demise of unix os is a thing to rattle swords pon bucklers 'bout
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:25 trinque tries to remember if chunked transfer encoding is both ways with
http, or only a response thing
mircea_popescu: But $495 for a $300 in the US ubiquity Edgerouter Pro isn't too bad <<< i.... beg your pardon ?!
phf: asciilifeform: well, it also doesn't have cgi/fastcgi so post would be somewhat pointless. i'm actually not sure what the strategy for post would be when there's no programmatic way to control it
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:36 asciilifeform: for comparison, 24core opteron with 256G ram , with 4 ssd disks ( 1TB total , 750 after raid ) , and with the raid card, costs me still < 1700.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform certainly. kinda why i want this as a collective effort.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah. let's make a list this weekend so we can action monday.
phf: mircea_popescu: i thikn that's what we're going to do, but i need to confirm my schedule. i'm still at the office, so i'll confirm in the morning
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:40 phf: i suspect local orcs have alternative paths for procurement, was sop in russia in the 90s. you could go to "official dealer" type place and pay 10x, or you would haggle for price at Gorbushka, bazar style
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 13:56 mp_en_viaje: in other "thanks goodness computer means programmable machine", i have here this hp elitebook. it has the backlight permanently welded to "retina cancer". the "function" key bs works for everything else EXCEPT setting the brightness, fn-f9 does 0.
mircea_popescu: phf problem with that item is that it always has counterstrike videocards rarely server rack mobos.
mircea_popescu: and, continuing elitebook thread, now that alf fixed it for me it's actually worth the money.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:41 asciilifeform: phf: i strongly suspect that nobody but gringo rubes ever order from these Official catalogues, or pay ANY vat, EVER
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:40 phf: i suspect local orcs have alternative paths for procurement, was sop in russia in the 90s. you could go to "official dealer" type place and pay 10x, or you would haggle for price at Gorbushka, bazar style
mircea_popescu: "me discuenta por efectivo" pretty much universal keyword re "no vat"
mircea_popescu: in other sadnesses, why the fuck do the spanish oversalt the anchovies paste.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 20:22 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pardon my thickness, where do you want qntra ns pointed again ? ideally in the format ns1= ns2=
mircea_popescu: ok, you have 3 a records now, empty to that and a ns1 ns2 as quoted.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:49 asciilifeform: phf: imho 'what, if anything changed' is a q that oughta be answered by a mechanism that can do it, when (as often is) wanted for the ~entire site~ compactly
mircea_popescu: but consider if you will the problem of dynamic content. every one (of what, 10k ?) pages on trilema changes at least once a day (header), and so on. what now ?
mircea_popescu: i don't see it. i see "logins" as broadly nonsensical ; but programmable webserver seems fine.
mircea_popescu: i dun see it in a design perspective ; heck, i actually doin't even see the problem with php. (by the time you're protesting a text preprocessor being used as a systems language your problem is not properly speaking with the tool).
phf: the notion of "static content" is a c-machine-ism
mircea_popescu: this said, the implementation is in fact kludgy, but this is no reason to alter the design.
mircea_popescu: phf he was headed straight into "no such thing as static content, you can discover this whenever you re-read the same words in a trilema article", but he sidestepped.
mircea_popescu: i think ferocranium of many knocks learns some intuitive avoidance.
mircea_popescu: actually, let's meditate together upon the following item, perhaps it resolves some subtle issues :
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 19:54 trinque: the hash says what item I want
mircea_popescu: echo $banners[hexdec(substr(md5(date("F jS, Y")),7,6))%42] . ".jpg') << blabla.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is discussing the header production only.
mircea_popescu: well, the baked in assumption here is that the tits, great as they are, benefit from impredictable dress prison each day.
mircea_popescu: that's the major challenge : can the argument be constructed to see what is actually wrong with that piece of gnarl ?
mircea_popescu: it evidently crosses all conceivable sanity boundries. so ?
mircea_popescu: (for convenience, in pesudocode : select from an array of possible headers the one which corresponds to the remainder of dividing by 42 the number you obtain by converting from hexadecimal format the string you obtain by taking 6 characters from the 7th of the md5 hash of the current date)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in that one is imperative and the other descriptive so to speak.
mircea_popescu: "find a thing such as x" vs "follow steps x give whatever comes out"
mircea_popescu: can you actually say the above snippet is "really kludge to display bouquets of statics properly" ?
mircea_popescu: then you could in principle indicate WHICH LEAF you even permit.
mircea_popescu: "process my data with the press X as identified from your manifest, i don';t trust X'"
mircea_popescu: yes but this is a much more integrated v-http server than previously even hinted at.
mircea_popescu: but you WANT header then ; it is the evident place to report the v-struct
mircea_popescu: not mere "merkle tree", but actual proper v struct, with seals resources and errything.
mircea_popescu: not in loc lines necessarily, but in what lifting it actually does, conceptually.
mircea_popescu: and it's a wonder if it'd be actually worth it. consider -- what alternative wp-mps would i maintain on trilema ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i confess i've not prior considered the v-http server.
mircea_popescu: "i want trilema as rss not trilema as main page" or "i want trilema as list of archives not as main page"
mircea_popescu: now, this ad hoc hack could have been a proper alt-leaf thing
mircea_popescu: rather than unmaintainably clog out my blog and risk being deleted any day now.
mircea_popescu: so in point of fact saying "why would alternate views exist" is facetious, i listed like 4 in five minutes.
mircea_popescu: consider the machinery that blogs become, in this system
mircea_popescu: no longer a hodge-podge of "plugins" and "themes" haphazard and therefore entirely flat conceoptually.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 03:58 mircea_popescu: trinque tbh, i think wikis are a (braindamaged, dysfunctional, uncomprehending) response to the html-is-broken / transclusion issue discussed yest and etc.
mircea_popescu: not so. consider : linkrot today means, "you might not have the data original server had". like you lost lispmachine FET say.
mircea_popescu: tomorrow, linkrot will thereby mean "you might not have the original data ; OR you might not have the original program".
mircea_popescu: "immutable" still enforced by server only. tomorrow i can decide to make a whole diff tree and gl to you.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:56 phf: that's fair, you could do GET with a range of 0 bytes at 0 offset
mircea_popescu: routinely pulls data from slaves/processes/etcetera with an explicit or implicit size limit and strong conventions as to ordering
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 01:02 mp_en_viaje: but let's not let the praise fall by the wayside just because every successful step opens up so more further steps : nice bb! qntra back on huh!
mircea_popescu: currently there's no equivalent hierarchy of html documents, so they are always sent in order of importance of parts.
mircea_popescu: if my loading of a web page dies 10kb in, i want that 10kb to have contained the article, not some "template" fugly.
mircea_popescu: or at the very least so "page is not usable until our shit is in"
mircea_popescu: quite opposite of sense ; and a much more important ablation target than forgotten/disused http words.
mircea_popescu: we still need js as much as last time this was discussed, a week ago
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:59 trinque: if you tell me offset 0 range 0 I should ignore you entirely
mircea_popescu: if i tell you i wish to see the file x except not any of its content this is logically equivalent, quite directly, to "metadata only plox"
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 17:02 trinque: my statement was that yes ^ and also for the logs "you wouldn't design something where $giveMeNoneOfIt implicitly means a metadata fetch"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-16 06:24 trinque: in other python 2 was already shit... all([]) -> True yet any([]) -> False
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 17:06 asciilifeform: now that's fuckedup
mircea_popescu: so yes, head support universal, ranged request support present but not that reliable.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 17:08 asciilifeform: why not give example. e.g. 'i crawl www and google doesn't support ranged GET'
mircea_popescu: and considering what happens in response to curl -v -X GET -H "range: bytes=1-8" www.loper-os.org (full page dump) we can add asciilifeform / nfs to the list of "does not support ranges"
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 17:11 asciilifeform: so i suppose we have different personalexperiencesingoodfaith
trinque: the thing's so steeped in "the way things are" I daren't comment further
trinque: sure, if http is understood that it always hands back headers, and these are decided to exclude the "I want an item of x length and no further" then get with range 0 offset 0 would hand back only headers
trinque: yeah but that's what fired off the other thread too!
trinque: lol, I was speaking practically. though I'm glad it did prompt the other.
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's not clear that the extant stack of shit is capable of supporting some sort of meaningful practical consideration.
trinque: sql would be a system where I'd consider the metadata properly designed, in that there isn't a difference in the way it's represented, or retrieved
trinque: same tools apply to metadata as everything else
trinque: but me bleeding shoulds all over existing items isn't helpful
trinque: is referring to information_schema and the db-specific metadata schemas
trinque: I can select from a table that is the table of columns, for example
mircea_popescu: so sql doesn't have an equivalent of head is the idea ? or doesn't have an equivalent of get 0 size ?
trinque: if I were to hamhandedly bash this into
http, there'd be no headers. you'd get that information from another ULR
mircea_popescu: isn't this "tell me about this table for a total of 0 rows" ?
trinque: what is special about that data retrieval, compared to "what's the age of john" ?
trinque: the charge I made was that range 0 is an implicit metadata fetch. why implicit?
mircea_popescu: that one is select john from tabler and the other is show table status.
trinque: if tables were good for storing ages of johns, why not statuses of tables?
mircea_popescu: and this show table status is a proxy for select autoincrtement from inf schema
trinque: can get curval or w/e in pg
mircea_popescu: basically whole thing was "Don't implement a special show table status, use the underlying select item from schema directly"
trinque: right the muntzing of http got conflated (by me, most likely) with how it ought to have been done in the first place
trinque: http doesn't have any sane, orderly data model underlying syntax sugar
mircea_popescu: well the whole thing is one huge napkin doodle shared over the chan as it stands
mircea_popescu: (good thing we got the cloud collaborate suite from $corp, too... how could we have gotten this far without ???)
mircea_popescu: trinque the most reliably encountered header in responses is Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
trinque: doesn't always know how obvious his line of reasoning is until it bounces off another at velocity
mircea_popescu: fancy that wonder, text, html and utf-8. some data type.
mircea_popescu: "our data type is vector list array, tyvm & come again!"
trinque: exactly that, the thing keisters away data in whatever fold of fat some autist found at the moment
trinque: incidentally I've been working on moving the entire concept out of my head in such threads, in contrast to the old thread in question.
trinque: in this case sums to: republican HTTP may ulcer alf further.
trinque: oh, I blew my stack in the thread you linked mostly because of my own radiation damage
trinque: old thread was on python, and the behavior of some looping constructs or w/e, didn't match set theory
trinque: or one did, one did not, whatever it was
trinque: same thing's going to happen in a thread on HTTP
mircea_popescu: the reason i linked the two items was, that you had a paradoxical result evaluating logical implication of negated absence in there ; and a paradoxical result evaluating predicated nothingness, here. seem to me intuitively they're related to some sort of 0-difficulty you have.
trinque: you didn't get back zero in the latter case
trinque: you got however many bytes of headerstuff
mircea_popescu: you're asking for 0 bits of X, not for 0 bits altogether.
mircea_popescu: and if you say "i'm interested in x but in 0 bits of it" the logical implication is that you're only interested in any meta-x may be available. which yes might be null, but also doesn't have to be.
mircea_popescu: similar to trinque goes into santaria shop, "do you have any bibles ?" "yes, shall i read you from it ?" "no, thanks. how much for one ?"
trinque: why would you imply it in that manner, and it's understood you may want potentially boundless metadata
trinque: rather than specify what question you may have about the thing specifically
mircea_popescu: this is a major flaw of the "design" such as it is, that yes you're asking for potentially infinite metadata.
mircea_popescu: trinque because you don't know what questions may be asked, is the idea.
trinque: the inability to ask specific questions is another massive failing of the thing
trinque: "oh here's the filesize and content type and also here's what the server had for breakfast"
mircea_popescu: well you don;t know what you don't know. exactly as in the slavery threads.
trinque: taxonomy of metadata is not impossible
mircea_popescu: (practically, they just didn't feel like making one verb per thing, because it'd have ended all sgml.)
mircea_popescu: but anyway -- you can even now make a server return ~infinite headers if you wish.
trinque: sql has this already, on earth.
trinque: I can go query what tables have a column of particular type
mircea_popescu: yes, but the thing still starts with describe or w/e it's called
trinque: select * from information_schema.column where ...
mircea_popescu: but you don;t know what to put in the where to begin with. so you get potentially boundless piles of metadata.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 17:26 phf: we can reduce everything to just get requests (cut the headers, too, except for Content-Length), where ranges are done by "/downloads?file=...&start=...&end"
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 17:27 phf: content-type is a meaningless header, since that's up to client to decide anyway (and it's frequently misconfigured), all the other headers are straight up metadata fluff.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 00:22 mircea_popescu: "find a thing such as x" vs "follow steps x give whatever comes out"
mircea_popescu: ://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ as a complement to 302 response also quite useful.
mircea_popescu: you'll also probably have trouble without a connection: close signal, and so on.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 18:02 BingoBoingo: I will have to dig that up, but it is not trivial and requires having a foreign corporation in the loop somewhere. Perhaps someone with a corp that is offshore to Uruguay can inquire? Depends on the revenue reported and a whole bunch of other miscellanea.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the day's log page is fulla non-linking links as a result of http being the discussion
doppler: is that just a matter of a regex needing updated?
mod6: node is still caught up. wewt
ben_vulpes: guy delivering servers today wanted to know what i was doing with em; "well let's see, install some software and then rack 'em in a datacenter, what else does one do with servers?" "no but like are you mining bro?" "haha funny. don't you have something for me to sign?"
