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mircea_popescu: !!up xenmen_
deedbot: xenmen_ voiced for 30 minutes.
xenmen_: thanks mircea_popescu, just reading up on your site
xenmen_: I come by ~once a year, an annual tradition, to reread
mircea_popescu: how long does it take you to catch up ?
xenmen_: typically a weekend
mircea_popescu: seems an incredible feat.
xenmen_: (The catch-up, that is; rereading older material I spread over a few weeks to a month)
ben_vulpes misread as xemen
shinohai: !~later tell mats can report that works flawless, no luck on openbsd
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11115.25, vol: 10216.39574227 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11241.0, vol: 26813.04006437 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11111.0, vol: 4754.24450221 | Volume-weighted last average: 11195.4615616
shinohai: ^111111.11!'
shinohai: asciilifeform: i mirrored your dictionary, and mircea_popescu's wordlist here:
asciilifeform: shinohai: first file eggogs
shinohai: fixed, saw eggog xD
asciilifeform: nao worx
asciilifeform: it has bitrot in it tho
asciilifeform: i see strange chars
shinohai: yup and also doesn't use --no-emit-version
asciilifeform: acăța , acușica
shinohai: (tm)
shinohai: but in mircea_popescu's original, I also see strange things
asciilifeform: is it in some ancient pre-uniturd coding, analogous to ru koi8 ?
asciilifeform: hard to picture how else it could end up like this.
spyked: hm. it seems that the browser (firefox on my side) sets default encoding to "western" for plain txt files; setting it to unicode makes it look normal
asciilifeform: hmm in different browser, worx
ave1: I see you are already at ch9, I only just finished with ch1:
asciilifeform: thinking of switching to a 2week interval; these are not coming out quite the way i want'em
asciilifeform: shinohai: i have added a link to your mirror in , ty
ave1: I'm enjoying the series a lot! (I've now just read ch2 and starting to ingest it...)
asciilifeform: ave1: were you able to build ?
ave1: asciilifeform, yes! also on gnat for musl...
asciilifeform: ooh yeah i recall
asciilifeform still has not replicated this marvel
ave1: In the end it took only a small set of changes, but finding these was no fun...
ave1: Ofcourse, I did not want to dive deep into the code of gcc and gnat
asciilifeform: we're doomed to fork gnat eventually
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 01:38 asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat -- to abolish the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable.
ave1: Which makes the process a stupid trying / building / running / failing exercise.
asciilifeform: ave1: << can i persuade you to put this link in a comment to ch1 ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-29 15:46 ave1: I see you are already at ch9, I only just finished with ch1:
asciilifeform: for other readers.
asciilifeform: ave1: 'Word is the smallest unit used for the arithmetic in FFA' is not strictly true, there is a HalfWord ( see ch9 )
asciilifeform: but i suppose you'll get to it at own pace.
asciilifeform: ( not to mention WBool, present in ch1, is constrained to arithmetize on 1bit. but indeed Word is smallest physical unit used, there is no byte-addressing in ffa )
asciilifeform: 'why not use the pragma Provide_Shift_Operators?' << it doesn't work on gnat2016, try it
asciilifeform: "Do we need Word_Index or Indices?8". << yes, for proof of nonoverflow. and in general wherever i saw it possible to constrain a type, i constrained it. and will continue doing so.
asciilifeform: 'Look at the summation, the sum is (A+B) + Carry, but the next carry is determined by just A, B and the Sum. Are we lucky this is correct?' << work it out on paper.
ave1: I did! it is more a question for other readers
asciilifeform: btw ave1 your comment box dunwork
asciilifeform: demands 'fill in name and email' even when i already did.
asciilifeform: ave1: 'are we lucky this is correct' implies that item was written through the arse, and only 'works by accident', this is not so.
ave1: aha, I made the check for the email to a check for the website (needs to be 6 chars long)
ave1: I'll remove the website check, probable does not do much anyway
ave1: one moment...
asciilifeform: lemme know when fixed
ave1: should be fixed
asciilifeform: 'required fields: name'
asciilifeform: it's utterly broken
ave1: Will work on wording! It was meant as "Take very good care to check out this one"
asciilifeform: I FILLED IN THE FIELDS
ave1: I see change did happen, but still failed the test, one sec...
ave1: I'm sorry for this
asciilifeform: lemme know when it is possible to put a comment..
ave1: asciilifeform: Comments should work now, I can also put this comment in if you like (name == asciilifeform?)
asciilifeform: still broken !!
asciilifeform: 'required fields: name'
asciilifeform: pleez test it yourself ave1 ? then say 'fixed'
asciilifeform: and no, do not put it in in my place.
asciilifeform: fix the commentbox.
ave1: I did self eval... (did you reload?)
asciilifeform: ok seems to work nao...
asciilifeform: (queued)
asciilifeform: srsly this is nogood.
shinohai: tah asciilifeform !
ave1: Was queued is now approved
asciilifeform: 'TODAY'S LOG' IS A LINK
asciilifeform: !!up xenmen
deedbot: xenmen voiced for 30 minutes.
ave1: I do not get "TODAY'S LOG' IS A LINK" ...
asciilifeform: ave1: please see the paste ?
asciilifeform: ave1: html links do not work in your comment box ?
asciilifeform: i do not understand why you would have both 'ban links' AND premoderation
ave1: Hmm, I'm using mp-wp and I cannot find a setting that is supposed to scrub links or allow them. I am looking into it...
asciilifeform: hey you're ahead of me, i never even got comments to work at all in my copy of mp-wp
asciilifeform would like to see a complete wwwtron in ada. but does not have any spare arms presently for such a thing.
asciilifeform: and when i say 'complete' i mean zero-libraries, a la ffa. kernel calls for i/o, and that's it.
ave1: Meanwhile, I'll fix the links, also I found the problem will report a little later
asciilifeform: ty ave1 , i'd definitely like to read the answer
shinohai: "Fitness app lights up staff @ mil bases" is best headline in feed today.
trinque: kinda laughable notion that the location of .mil bases was secret
asciilifeform: iirc there's a few in e.g. africa disguised as 'uh, nuffin at all here, move along'
asciilifeform: and in various post-su lands
asciilifeform: e.g. the torture palace in bucharest
trinque: << not at the moment. when my stack's popped to ffa will try to do my homework on one of the g5s
a111: Logged on 2018-01-29 01:14 asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque do you have a working gnat on ppc (g5 or any other) ?
asciilifeform: trinque: actually i was hoping to get a shell on one of your ppc
asciilifeform: for own use
asciilifeform: ( i could buy an old ppc , a la BingoBoingo , for fiddybux, but i'd like to go in direction of ~decreasing~ old iron collection, not growing... )
trinque: ah, I could set that up later in the week. going to be traveling starting tomorrow.
asciilifeform: no rush.
trinque: want g4, g5, both?
asciilifeform: dun make much diff
asciilifeform: prolly g5 is more relevant to future
asciilifeform: ( they give moar bang for the antiquarian buck , and more likely to be met with )
BingoBoingo: !~later tell mircea_popescu a MUSL box is now ready to plug in and serve a form of Qntra... after a weekend of head banging
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: oh hey
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is cage alive nao?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Contract start date is Feb 1st, but I am about to poke them to check the wire and see if the racking can start.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what about ip addrs ?
BingoBoingo: getting some from them and then resubmitting my application to LACNIC. Gotta utilize 64 ip addresses before LACNIC will allocate a /24
asciilifeform: right, but what does that mean in practice ? rack with no permanent ips for month? two ?
asciilifeform: considering the 'escape from dnsism' thing we have going, this actually matters
trinque: and also, handled incorrectly that'll be a lot of boxen that are suddenly unreachable
asciilifeform: lol pseudobrainwallets never apparently fully died
asciilifeform: !!up sageprobes
deedbot: sageprobes voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: sageprobes: hello ?
asciilifeform: !!up laplinker
deedbot: laplinker voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: !!up laplinker
deedbot: laplinker voiced for 30 minutes.
laplinker: thank you :)
asciilifeform: laplinker: what brings you here ?
laplinker: oh, its a long story about AMD, HDT, and looking for sage probes online :)
asciilifeform: laplinker: last i saw they were still available with 'gizmo1'
laplinker: yeah, im not so sure i can afford something that costs: "send me a quote" :)
asciilifeform: it costs <200bux, wat
asciilifeform: oh ha, sold out.
laplinker: well that was unexpected , i assumed it would be expensive ,i mean look at the intel xdp
asciilifeform: 'We are sorry, but the item you are looking for is no longer available on our website.'
asciilifeform: laplinker: funnily enough, i have an intel xdp, and several boxes with the jack, but never was able to get it running
asciilifeform: it ain't gdb-compatible, for one thing. requires windows shitware which they sold for $10k's and never afaik leaked
laplinker: you should really get one of those minnow boards and a lure board, works OOB with intel DAL at VLV2 config
asciilifeform: for another thing, stock bios on intel boxes disables xdp jack
asciilifeform: laplinker: i don't particularly need this for anything, when i have a working sageprobe and amd boxes
laplinker: sometimes those xdp3 boxed pop up oon ebay, i found mine for about 50$ a few years ago, but now intel is debugging over usb3
asciilifeform: i like how the sage requires literally NO os support on the driving end
asciilifeform: ( it sits on lan and you can telnet to it )
asciilifeform: laplinker: the problem is that the usb3 debug is NOT os-transparent
asciilifeform: i.e. the 'victim' can disable the port
asciilifeform: and at any rate change behaviour when it senses that debug is active
laplinker: asciilifeform: hmm... good point
asciilifeform: considering that half the point of hardware debugger is to debug heavily-antidebuggistic shitware...
laplinker: than for intel platforms, i recommend minnow, but you are already set with AMD so nm
asciilifeform: iirc 'minnow' is a junk board, with nonexpandable ram, etc
asciilifeform: and with random crashes.
asciilifeform: didja ever get it to boot a standard winblows, for instance ?
asciilifeform: laplinker: i have one almost exactly like it
asciilifeform: ( never got xdp going, because, again, requires shitware )
laplinker: asciilifeform: shitware is available for free, part of intel debugger studio (which is shitware) but the "intel DAL" is free
asciilifeform: laplinker: iirc i tried the 'free' ver, it wanted a xdp3.
asciilifeform: what i have iirc is a xdp1.
asciilifeform: ( they were at one point sold off for pennies on the dollar )
laplinker: i have it working with xdp3 and xhci debug
asciilifeform: right, but where the fuck to get a xdp3.
laplinker: the sw i mean
asciilifeform: 0 interest to me, because victim-detectable.
laplinker: xdp3 is hard to find, same i guess as the sage probve
asciilifeform: and dunwork on resetvector in bios.
asciilifeform: sage probe is quite easy to find. 1) get in wot -- register with deedbot 2) make a bid in btc 3) one of the folx here will sell you a sageprobe.
laplinker: hmm... i might actually do that, for the xdp3, they should be popping up more and more the more time passes and most folks use xhci, but thats just a guess
asciilifeform: winintel doesn't want people debugging the drm spyshitware in the bios; or the winblowz kernel. ergo xhci.
asciilifeform: but it so happens that these are the ONLY items i find interesting from hardware debug pov.
asciilifeform: so i have 0 interest in xhci or any other inband debugging.
asciilifeform: and will not comment on it, it is worthless garbage .
laplinker: maybe you will find this interesting
asciilifeform: btw laplinker , recent ( 2013? 14? and after..? ) amd opterons suffer from similar problem :
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set.
asciilifeform: i.e. the bios can (and by default does) perma-lock the hdt port after boot
asciilifeform: ( on some boxes, shortly after reset, in fact )
asciilifeform: laplinker: not especially interesting, no. i'm more interested in whatever fallbacks are in there ~separately~ from ME core. nsa fritzchip never come in singles.
asciilifeform: given that the 'security pros' and academia circuses were permitted to make ME core a centerpiece of their self-aggrandizing idiocy, you can be quite certain that there is a fallback. multiple fallbacks.
asciilifeform: at least in recent chips.
asciilifeform: fwiw i will not buy any new intel product. haven't, for quite some time.
asciilifeform: won't buy post-2011 amd either.
asciilifeform: 'The author is concerned about backlash and has asked to remain pseudonymous by signing this report with a public hash of their name' << lol wai am i reading this
asciilifeform: neither i nor anybody else with half a brain need these charts, or 'We are going to use the Kolmogorov-Smirnov test here...', or any of it, to know that 'tether' is a gox-style scam
asciilifeform: and the folx who know, and do not care, are , they are as culpable as the orig author.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 16:50 asciilifeform: to round off the crackpottery, 'superlinear' is when the chumps deposit their dough, but afterwards ~go home to get more~, to bring friends, etc.
asciilifeform: and deserve to burn on same pyre.
asciilifeform: !!up laplinker
deedbot: laplinker voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: laplinker: consider registering with deedbot ,
asciilifeform: ^ get a permanent name.
asciilifeform: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11187.73, vol: 9921.39225920 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11305.0, vol: 23589.32775105 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11191.0, vol: 4556.23247694 | Volume-weighted last average: 11260.7912556
laplinker: sry, had to go deal with some stuff unexpectedly. catching up
asciilifeform: laplinker: register with deedbot; then you will be able to get ratings; and self-voice.
asciilifeform: as it is, if you come back, no one knows who is speaking, 'shakespeare -- or another man by the same name', for instance.
laplinker: Thanks, and thanks for all the help :)
asciilifeform: laplinker: keep in mind also that there can be no question of e.g. selling probes, to somebody not in wot.
trinque: j/i
trinque: d'oh
asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 << i noticed, somehow only nao, that it has text 'This experimental vpatch requests blocks from all nodes that send a version message.' >> which has 0 relation to the patch...
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 or hm nm brain spasm, strike that.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform read 'blocks requests' instead of 'requests blocks', prolly oughta sleep moar
asciilifeform: ... and to stay away from heavy machinery, lol
mod6: :D
shinohai: Meanwhile, backstage on a filthy mattress:
mod6: Thanks for reading and trying to pick out if it said the wrong thing though. I appreciate that.
asciilifeform: mod6: i was rereading , looking for old item, and went 'wtf', but entirely own brain spasm
mod6: ah. you have 'wtf' ptsd maybe
mod6: like i have 'scammer' ptsd
mod6: nothing wrong with that.
mod6: "If you try to throw yourself upon the wheels of the great machine, you're gonna have a bad time, Komrade"
asciilifeform: some of these have pretty great possibilities for double-meaning, e.g. >> 'mmm, hi-fi!11'
trinque: this some kind of "without the workers we wouldn't have all this glorious fy00t0r" ?
asciilifeform: trinque: naaah , orig -- equiv. of american osha plaquards
asciilifeform: cautioning against various 'oopses'
trinque: oh right, ear protection
asciilifeform: ( some of these will make sense only to orcs, e.g. << 'do not dry by the fire clothes you have washed in petrol' )
trinque: ah speaking of missing fingers, where's that liveleak
trinque: << of possible interest to BingoBoingo et al
mod6: lol. NO SMOKING!
BingoBoingo: trinque: Ty for the film. Hopefully I can see it sometime before March.
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