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BingoBoingo: Well, that's a distinct hazard of meeting people and making friends
mircea_popescu: !!balance
mircea_popescu: lobbes that's what they get for not using teh wot.
deedbot: << Trilema - Talent Triumphant, or : On Empathy
mircea_popescu: hanbot your bot ate my links. anyway, here :
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 01:11 mircea_popescu: meanwhile i fished out vintage "classic" and "default" themes :
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 15:53 mircea_popescu: incidentally : someone writing a tex processor for serenity (ex mp-wp) themes that shinohai can then just import as a standard would be pretty epic.
lobbes: mircea_popescu, it really is a wonderful tool in the serenity belt.
a111: Logged on 2015-12-24 19:04 mircea_popescu: "We hired a local operations manager in Denver (Sasha Juliard) and soon launched at Shotgun Willie’s (the highest-grossing strip club in CO) and two other bars. We made about $1,200 on each deal (50% went to DexOne, we spent $800 on each launch event and we had $500 in hardware costs), this was the only sales revenue Flowtab ever made. We were tightening up our sales process, but it was hard to market ourselves prope
mircea_popescu: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5767.01, vol: 10184.42248482 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5747.9, vol: 38124.72614312 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5778.8, vol: 3900.45602985 | Volume-weighted last average: 5753.93621512
mircea_popescu: !~calc 25 / 5753.93621512
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 25 / 5753.93621512 = 0.0043448517789102074
mircea_popescu: !~calc 115 / 5753.93621512
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 115 / 5753.93621512 = 0.019986318182986955
mircea_popescu: !!withdraw 0.01998631 1v2bMXrMnewz4myVFoYRnmWteBz9HPqLq
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 491793 | Current Difficulty: 1.196792694098E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 491903 | Next Difficulty In: 110 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
asciilifeform loaded up on quality clothing, shoes, etc unavailable in usa. funnily, exactly like his father did 30y ago in ro !
asciilifeform: << iirc it was a kind of mechanized reddit..?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 00:27 mircea_popescu: << in some archive somewhere. was going to auction it off but then got annoyed with something in the vein of and simply tabled it instead.
asciilifeform: << betcha you did it in own parking, or jungle road, lol. the gas comes from ~other~ people’s tailpipes! in traffic jam, in tunnel, etc !
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 00:30 mircea_popescu: << i did this recently because car failed emission tests originally ; no beeps.
asciilifeform: << we’ve been doing 20-30km/day, explored good chunk of it
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 00:31 mircea_popescu: << verily. timisoara can be walked on foot in a day.
asciilifeform: << usg - enemy of all things healthily human
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 02:40 lobbes: << 'Tis insanity, indeed. Some hobbyist cheese-makers / real-milk enthusists near Amish lands have been known to engage in 'black market' raw milk transactions. FDA regularly sets up sting operations to crack down on the 'contraband':
asciilifeform: << believe or not, none detectable to naked eye. nobody’s smashing things, screaming, barfing
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 02:42 lobbes: << I'd wager there is no such town on the planet. Spend enough time anywhere and you'll find plenty of subhumans. I'm reminded of mini-thread:
asciilifeform: tho i did finally see cops arresting a d00d. seemed as if for: double-parking
asciilifeform: << for perhaps first time in life i have real shoes nao
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 03:50 ben_vulpes: good walking shoes are in order
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I wouldn't say Fain was mechanised really, can't quite see how that would fit
diana_coman: people proposed blog posts they considered worthy (whatever measure they used for it) with link+short description; people could vote on previously proposed links
diana_coman: and talk around them, sure
diana_coman: re barfing in the streets tbh that's in my books a very much western/northern thing
diana_coman: I guess the "mechanised" part about Fain could be the automated grading of *people* based on their activity aka the "karma" points that had quite direct implications re what one could do (even whether they could comment at all)
asciilifeform: sounds like a reddit then ?
asciilifeform: or possibly moar like ‘metafilter’ ( does that still exist..? )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'm not very knowledgeable on reddit but I thought it was something where people asked questions and then their comments were voted up/down ?
asciilifeform: no, mostly links
asciilifeform: the question thing was a bolt-on
diana_coman: hm; and does the system rate people/accounts basically? I think that was a crucial part of it like anywhere: if one is useful then one can do as much and what they like; if not,then
asciilifeform: approx. yea
diana_coman: well, approximations can make or kill a thing, but otherwise I guess you can call it that then (though by this token I'm not sure one won't be able to approximate almost any online thing to "a reddit")
diana_coman: as scope iirc fain was restricted to blogs in Romanian, might be worth adding
mod6: mornin'
mircea_popescu: << something like that. a gameified blog weighing/commenting platform ; worked as the ~onyl source of bitcoin for romanians for a year or two back when if they had the sense, it'd have meant something. a few did have the sense, most are powered by the same broken rustbox as powers the strippers and other experts in hallucinary freedoms.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 13:21 asciilifeform: << iirc it was a kind of mechanized reddit..?
mircea_popescu: it might be useful for the republic once there's enough publishing thoroughput we have to actually consider limiting access to deedbot rss ; that moment is many years away yet.
mircea_popescu: the truth of the matter however is that to a large degree fain was powered by the original web delusion, "oh, lowering barriers to human creativity is what economy is all about". it's not. there's no such thing as "human creativity" in the sense of the general mass, and the barriers are there to keep us from the female wail.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 13:22 asciilifeform: << betcha you did it in own parking, or jungle road, lol. the gas comes from ~other~ people’s tailpipes! in traffic jam, in tunnel, etc !
mircea_popescu: that'd explain it then, such lovely green out here.
mircea_popescu: << imagine, you know. contraband cheese sting operations. this is what teh taxpayer wants his money spent on, and somehow no nubbins is on hand to explain better.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 13:24 asciilifeform: << usg - enemy of all things healthily human
mircea_popescu: << oh god almighty, if they only started arresting romanians for bad parking. this is like arresting indians for poor hygiene, or native americans for drunkedness.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 13:26 asciilifeform: tho i did finally see cops arresting a d00d. seemed as if for: double-parking
mircea_popescu: i hope they give him the chair.
shinohai: good gawd almity
mircea_popescu: << amusingly, the same places that permit female drunkedness.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 13:31 diana_coman: re barfing in the streets tbh that's in my books a very much western/northern thing
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, what would be the link? my obs is that it's more whether drink is something that goes with meal and at any time or just something "special" aka binge idiocy
mircea_popescu: << reddit didn't exist at the time we're discussing in any practical sense above "this obscure website some pedos gathered on to exchange their trading cards". it was something in the vein of metafilter i guess, or else something in the vein of digg, or else you know, one of the first sites making the transition from myspace/tripod/facebook to the latter style reddit/facebook/etcetera.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 13:47 asciilifeform: or possibly moar like ‘metafilter’ ( does that still exist..? )
diana_coman: and at the end of the day more of a measure of balance overall even
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i expect the reason drunks aren't as bothered by puke as the normal human is that they're so used to it. so a direct link might be that the women that habitually drink aren't nearly as likely to clean it up.
diana_coman: I don't see it
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ah, cvas as the rusian notion wasn't contemplated.
mircea_popescu: but perhaps one of the most striking things from my first visit in london, cca 1994, striking enough that i still remember them,
mircea_popescu: was the urine secent and the blind drunk hens. everywhere.
diana_coman: can say same just that blind drunk whatever-sex; the striking part was more how-and-where drunk than sex of idiots
mircea_popescu: prior to that, i think i had seen a drunk woman, in the sense of unable to stand, like twice ? if that. who the fuck drank like the brits, nfi.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman well i had seen numerous rural middle aged males unable to walk. heck, it was the principal activity in the communism's abandoned factories by 94.
mircea_popescu: those schmucks imagined they can just check out, europe's gonna provide. and boy has it provided.
diana_coman: uhm, I've seen rural all-sexes drunk unable to walk
mircea_popescu: at the time they still had the draft ; i was dodging it. people were like ... "hey, there's this special military unit, we get whores and liquor delivered by the truck weekly, you gotta come man."
mircea_popescu: diana_coman a really ?
diana_coman: just that women were usually (as they were at most times anyway) drunk *indoors*
diana_coman: that's all
mircea_popescu: well ok, our experience diverges then, or at least teh memory thereof.
diana_coman: sure, they weren't getting drunk at *same time* as males basically
mircea_popescu: when then ?
diana_coman: when males away/snoring/whatever; I should have said not same place+time I guess
mircea_popescu: but drunk on what, fucking visinata ?
diana_coman: possibly same time, just ..separate places; if at same place then they would rather be sober yeah
mircea_popescu: diabethes comes before inebriation.
diana_coman: pshew; tuica, what else
diana_coman: or rachiu rather as tuica gone
mircea_popescu: man... where the hell was this ? not even in teh viseu have i seen drunk ladies, and those bitches drank.
diana_coman: baragan
diana_coman: as I said: they were gathering at one's home, women only and...drink
mircea_popescu: is female drunkedness culturally permitted in teh south ?
diana_coman: not encouraged in public I'd say, as such; fwiw I did not actually drink almost at all while I was in Ro ; possibly because I saw those, who knows
mircea_popescu: this is a large matter ; people don't generally realise it, but there's a large push, socially, towards things. for instance, in transylvania, my girls got REGULARILY approached, by EVERYONE, all the time. "not to sit on concrete -- won't be able to have children ; not to go barefoot -- won't be able to" and so on and so forth. woman gotta be henpecked!
diana_coman: but in any case: I've never seen barfing in the street until I got to the west
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, one of the main complaints of foreign girls was "wtf why do they spit in the street!!!"
mircea_popescu: which they do.
diana_coman: eh, that was still everywhere; and yeah, I even got approached when with child: he's too cold! he's too hot! why is he /isn't he...
mircea_popescu: o yeah, kids is like the boss level.
mircea_popescu: "omg he's going to fall" "bitch, go make one then you can worry about it. this one can fall."
diana_coman: when he was too little to talk I would just say he's fine, thank you or shrug mainly; now I can let him reply and usually he innocently floors them anyway so win
mircea_popescu: ahaha. cool.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, if it's not female drinking, then what is it ?
diana_coman: as I said: lack of balance overall really
diana_coman: so they don't drink AT ALL during the week
diana_coman: but then on Friday they drink anything and everything and FAST
mircea_popescu: ah. exactly how they go blind drunk at 21 because random magic nuymbers and crash into a pole ?
mircea_popescu: not a bad theory.
diana_coman: and well, they don't know how to drink either - no surprise since no practice with sane people
mircea_popescu: alternatively urban hostility i suppose could be the culprit. there's some trilema pointing out how "this projects dweller dude is taking time out of his time off to fix a bench in the little sandy park in front of his concrete matchbox ; baltimore projects dude would just sit by pole glaring at traffic".
mircea_popescu: diana_coman in this vein was lulzy thing at lesbian club, chick is "i have no idea why i'm getting so drunk ?!?" "you keep drinking" "what ?! it suddenly hit me like... wtf." "you keep drinking." "what do you mean ?"
mircea_popescu: "i think they slipped me a mickey"
mircea_popescu: lulz of all time.
diana_coman: maybe; the other part of it (which I don't know if it's just my sample bias or what) is that in the north drink is a sort of crutch: southerners I know can act crazy without drinking ; northerners...can't ; so when want-to-crazy-need-to-drink
mircea_popescu: you know ? "what could it be". well doh. "even males will lose it if they pound shots. you're good for maybe a 100 per hour, if well trained."
diana_coman: theoretically emotional crutch, but not sure what exactly
mircea_popescu: an excuse to "act out of character" ?
mircea_popescu: if this were the case latin america would be one huge boozing.
diana_coman: no, latin america southerners
mircea_popescu: these people REALLY need a crutch. they don't manage to ever lose it.
diana_coman: they can without drink
diana_coman: eh, no
mircea_popescu: diana_coman how south ? argentina is shockingly script-following.
diana_coman: it's not about losing it
diana_coman: it's about decoupling rational more though this is already nonsense put as such
mircea_popescu: i dunno. in other counterexamples, all the finns i know are actually pacified by vodka. all fucking irritable otherwise.
diana_coman: again, pacified or violent has nothing to do with it!
diana_coman: basically the northerner can't hug you if he feels like it unless drunk
mircea_popescu: well not lose it, not pacified/violent... what's "out of character" mean ? becoming fairies ?
diana_coman: he can't probably stab you either for that matter
mircea_popescu: hug you or hug me ?
diana_coman: both, either, lol
mircea_popescu: i have very much noticed they can't talk to girls at all these days, wherein a coupla decades ago couldn't without a coupla shots.
diana_coman: whether he hugs or stabs when drunk is a matter of what ails him; but whether he can do it whatever it is , is the point
mircea_popescu: tis possibru.
mircea_popescu: << no that thing is experstsexchange. reddit originated as a sort of fark, "look at this cool pic" tho it originally was more like original wikipedia, "look at this cool pic of a 6 yo with her mother's toenail polish bottle up her snatch" ; migrated into a sort of livejournal "write lengthy pieces of nonsense so everyone's tulpas can pompously opine on it" sometime in the mid 2010s.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 13:47 diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'm not very knowledgeable on reddit but I thought it was something where people asked questions and then their comments were voted up/down ?
mircea_popescu: kinda the perpetual bait and switch of "world changing" silicon valley "businesses" in the "industry" aka websites for the rest of the world, still vying for the supposedly valuable "UGC". except for the part where there's no ugc nor would it be valuable, all's well.
mircea_popescu: there's this ancient making roughly the same point : "there's no such thing as user generated content because the content generators aren't your users, they're content generators ; and your users aren't content generators, they're users, and not even that dedicatedly yours."
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the bait and switch thing. reddit started life as a sort of 4chan with a jump, ie the little girl's not on the page, but you have to click. this wasn't accidental, because their phase 2 ("growth phase" eh) consisted of the exact value proposition : add your crap to reddit, watch people click on it. once growth stopped they dropped the bait, switched to "we will control the conversation in this ever-so-importan
mircea_popescu: t space", in the hope they'll achieve usg agency status. which went nowhere, but then again there's no such thing as a buried corpse in socialism. it's not just craig wright that's still perambulating ; the original founder of webvan is still about. his business idea ? WEB POWERED DELIVERY OF GROCERIES! yes, 20 years later. no such thing as a burian in socialism.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile facebook started as a "put your crap on this alt-myspace and check out the large numeric values printed to GOOD THING". basically, facebook was one of those "webvisitors counters" except in a more skinner-y scheme. recently they dropped the bait and are essentially trying to capitalize on what's known in economy as stickiness, the exact same psychological tendency as discussed in
mircea_popescu: eld-of-the-future/#footnote_3_53044 : "oh you used to get large values of GOOD ITEM freely ? well no more. would you like to pay us to get them again ?"
mircea_popescu: which they imagine is an "advertising model", but it's directly and quite evidently a burning of the couch.
mircea_popescu: and the examples could continue, SV has been trying to move away from "content generation" into "real world performance", with major blow-ups like groupon ("sign up for free meals and if we get a lot of you we'll try and parlay this into a sort of communist walmart"), or with slow-burning shitpiles like uber, airbnb etc. in the end, the same truth controls : you've no user-generated real world performance because the real wor
mircea_popescu: ld performers are not your users, and "your" users aren't either performers or yours.
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: the similar "technology! science!" gamification of the democrat party failed "surprisingly" to everyone in the "technology! science! mit is the foremost institution in the world without running water!" camp, but otherwise doh.
mircea_popescu: hola asciilifeform
mircea_popescu innocently tried to comment on logline, ended up writing a book.
asciilifeform: << i picture that at that time there will be a meaningful l3+ ecosystem
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 15:53 mircea_popescu: it might be useful for the republic once there's enough publishing thoroughput we have to actually consider limiting access to deedbot rss ; that moment is many years away yet.
asciilifeform: and that reddits, as a class (i.e. system designed for rando-rando interaction) dun really have a role
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite exactly.
asciilifeform: well not a role in tmsr, at any rate. potentially as a sort of kindergarten, or slave pit, where you can see the heads and pick out promising larvae potentially
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's still an open thread god damned it. so re "in the hope they'll achieve usg agency status" above : the final socialism, usg's "ourdemocracy" came up with a gamified nationalization process : they naturally confiscate the domain leaders in all domains, under the guise of you know, "pension fund investments" and "consumer protection law enforcement". ie, there's a faux money and a faux legal prong which make sure
mircea_popescu: that if your google is successful, your google belongs to usg. which it was, and does.
asciilifeform: << there's a 2010s pc game, where you preside over generic 'iron curtain' apartment block, and get various orders from kgb, e.g. 'root out tenants who read english books', but also had 'apples have been prohibited, storing or eating them is punishable'. i immediately pictured fda.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 15:57 mircea_popescu: << imagine, you know. contraband cheese sting operations. this is what teh taxpayer wants his money spent on, and somehow no nubbins is on hand to explain better.
mircea_popescu: the process was apparently well received by "the society", which is to say poor people. exactly like in the original nazi and soviet implementations. except while in the first two the elite actually fled, in this last one the elite is playing the inept game of "i wonder if i can make a steelworks so successful hitler actually steals it from me".
mircea_popescu: which is shockingly dumb, and also what tmsr is intended to end.
asciilifeform: ( 'beholder' if anyone gives a shit, i saw it by sheer accident )
mircea_popescu: but in any case, the process is wildly successful -- the whole "oh noes, corporate responsibility, banks stole our money" went exactly nowhere FOR THE EXACT REASON the usg "banks" play the role of the soviet planning committee. such can do no ill, by definition of state in socialism, and so... they WILL be rescued, with "money" freshly printed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that this switch followed inevitably from ' i just want to get rich because comforts ' switch
asciilifeform: ( from 'i will get rich because fuck you and esp your daughters' )
mircea_popescu: whenever the poor get a voice, the world goes to shit and socialism is what's left.
asciilifeform: d00d whose steel works get nationalized -- gets token payoff, warm place to shit
asciilifeform: and that's all that, e.g., brin, wanted
asciilifeform: 'money as in infinite ice cream' vs 'money as in control of means of production' or how did old trilema put it.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the situation is not stable, in the sense usg can't administer all this immense government with huge industrial interests in everything. which is why even china is giving it a run for its money.
asciilifeform: hitler is giving the infinite icecream lottery winner, ostensibly exactly what he wanted.
mircea_popescu: problem is what you want and what you need are rarely the same.
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
mircea_popescu: myeah. anyway, so that's a round statement of the story, in that it's not missing anything but details.
asciilifeform: << d00d was some sort of german whatever GMbH courier. inside atrociously parked van was a wife-like thing, looking on
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 15:58 mircea_popescu: << oh god almighty, if they only started arresting romanians for bad parking. this is like arresting indians for poor hygiene, or native americans for drunkedness.
asciilifeform: << usa is set 100% to 'binge' mode
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 16:10 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, what would be the link? my obs is that it's more whether drink is something that goes with meal and at any time or just something "special" aka binge idiocy
asciilifeform: lol rubber shooter
asciilifeform: so 1998
mircea_popescu: yes well.
asciilifeform: they dun believe in normal pistol or wat
mircea_popescu: eh, kids. what do they know.
asciilifeform: iirc in ru rubber-shooters vanished after it was made clear that penalty is exactly same if 'patient' bites it
asciilifeform: ( which, interestingly, is not unlikely at sword range )
asciilifeform: possibly phf can add moardetail.
mircea_popescu: the thing with romania is that essentially there isn't a penalty for anything. just please don't fucking do it.
mircea_popescu: now, this worked fine in the 90s, when the statal motherly "please don't do it" was backed by my "motherfucker if i see you again ima use you for fish bait".
mircea_popescu: these days... slowly decaying into the usual french fare.
asciilifeform: this is not visible to naked eye here. i do have 14 hrs of bucharest planned so maybe will see it there.
mircea_popescu: well it wouldn't be visible to teh naked eye of civillian in a day.
asciilifeform: oh you betcha it is visible in dc or nyc or chicago
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i do beleive that;'s the only way to run things. heck, romania has NO JAIL for vehicular manslaughter to this fucking day, iirc.
asciilifeform: not even mentioning baltimoristan
mircea_popescu: this sort of thing WORKS. and it did work. and it made for pleasant police and happy sluts everywhere.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usg took opposite tack : instead of allying with underworld elite to keep underworld wanna-bes harmelss, it allied with underworld wannabes to "remove corruption" bla bla. as a result they got the orc cycle, as well explained by lafond and many others.
mircea_popescu: where the only incentive is to be an idiot, aged 16 to maybe 19, as you won't live to 30 anyway.
asciilifeform: this notional decay, from asciilifeform's unarmed eye it is 100% notional, i went to a motherfucking tiled market thing today, bought cheese that was actually cheese, old women shoved delish samples, all in all maybe 400 grams, in my face, and put it on bread from next stall that was actually bread, and ate it by the canal side, and sat next to randos on bench, and nobody harrassed, robbed, or even
asciilifeform: was loud or annoying
asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu have any idea how atypical all of this is for usa ?
asciilifeform: or the fact that the air smelled like pines and not like exhaust, or shit, or mcfood ?
mircea_popescu: yes. the place you describe, btw, is prolly "bad curtain" mentioned afore.
mircea_popescu: and yeah, all visitors agree. INCREDIBRU!!1
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, here's where pantsuit idiots a la "sam the more romanian than you" get it wrong. the REASON!!! there's nobody annoying, harassing, robbing etc is... guess ?
asciilifeform: also for BingoBoingo , ben_vulpes , other usaschwitz inmated, i will point out that the experience cost me about $2 .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have only foggy notion of the reason, beyond 'no welfaristan, so no niggers'
mircea_popescu: the FACT that poor people are not protected from assault by the state means that poor people are pleasant and polite.
mircea_popescu: and in general -- the less protected the poor, the more useful and pleasant the poor. and vice-versa. the worst thing you can do for a place is "prosecute assault" on the non-elite.
asciilifeform: this is entirely believable
mircea_popescu: it'd better be believable, seeing how it's factual.
asciilifeform: and is the common thread of civilized life everywhere
mircea_popescu: quite so.
asciilifeform: from old england , for what it was worth, to old japan
asciilifeform: it's believable in the newton's laws sense .
asciilifeform: 'The guy can get his day in court if it wasn’t he who did this but I’m damned glad to see the Romanian general public take her side in this and not just laugh it off.' << waaat
asciilifeform: holy fuq why haven't they thrown this d00d out !
asciilifeform: i was reading the citizenship rtfm talmud and it said clearly, 'threats to national serenity can be kicked out' or what was it
asciilifeform: if this fruit ain't it, then who is.
asciilifeform: ( speaking of author of quoted item , in case not obvious )
mircea_popescu: the only problem is that they kick out the threats to usg.
asciilifeform: like who
mircea_popescu: afaik the only one to ever get hassled by that was rogozin.
asciilifeform: he was a ru member of parliament neh
mircea_popescu: afaik deputy pm
asciilifeform: designated hate object
mircea_popescu: designated by whom
asciilifeform: by usghitler naturally
mircea_popescu: kinda my point.
asciilifeform: agents of foreign crowns are traditionally fair game for 'nongrata' tho, neh
mircea_popescu: except this was in no sense romanian.
mircea_popescu: how about they kick out a few ustards ?
asciilifeform: it isn't as if they'd kicked out some independent d00d
mircea_popescu: the entirety of the objection is that rogozin was nongrata in washington not in bucharest.
asciilifeform: lol the time to kick ustards was prolly before the time of letting usg army division occupy the sea shore, eh
asciilifeform: aah well yes
mircea_popescu: anyway. they also "let" russian army division occupy same. romania's very letty.
asciilifeform: small countries either get larger or do good bit of 'letting' neh
asciilifeform: swiss 'let' germany.
mircea_popescu: well... poland tried not letting, ended up partitioned how many times ?
mircea_popescu: poland about twice the size. at least ideally.
asciilifeform fiddles with the terminal to the tune of pet practicing ro-fu
asciilifeform also found the 'black market' today, where gypsies sell questionable shit, lotsa lulzy pics
mircea_popescu: where is this ?
asciilifeform: pieces ripped out of comps, mobos, house mains sockets, rando pieces of sov equip, b00kz ..
asciilifeform: next to the vegetable market
mircea_popescu: mmm. that's a flea market you.
asciilifeform: well yes i grew up with one
asciilifeform: early '90s odessa 'old horse market' sold from live rabbits to icbm guidance block components
asciilifeform: i'd beg father to take me there every saturday
mircea_popescu: yeah, actually, the flea market was a major component of ghetto jew identity.
asciilifeform: but here is was hilarious how obviously filched some of the items were -- wireless 'house' phones with only handset, no base, faceplates of car stereos, etc
mircea_popescu: (the jewish ghetto is an older item than the german state, for the record)
asciilifeform: cheap jewelry
mircea_popescu: it's this fascinating "market of the world". great item to have nearby.
asciilifeform: this place apparently is judenrein so gypsy folx had to pick up the slack.
mircea_popescu: plenty of elderly blue collar ro, im sure.
asciilifeform: them too ! in overalls !
asciilifeform: look like just escaped from su wall posters
asciilifeform: only missing item is sledge
asciilifeform: i immediately thought of the rhyme
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 01:18 mircea_popescu: "mult stimate ion caciula, om al muncii fara scula : cit ai degete si limba, legea tarii nu se schimba."
mircea_popescu: before "vintage" was a thing i used to buy girlies gifts from teh very place. there's something heartwarming about 90yo woman yielding whatever old clock to 16yo hussy for a pataca.
alex__c: unsure if you're talking about Aurora/Flavia or some other flea market
asciilifeform: 'muncii fara scula'
mircea_popescu: alex__c i expect he just ran into the badea cirtan ad hoc extension.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's in alley right before piaza traian
mircea_popescu: well, not THE very place, but cluj had its own, "oser".
asciilifeform: on 3 aug '19 boulevard
mircea_popescu: !~google de la foisor pin' la piata traian
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mircea_popescu: google you suck wtf.
mircea_popescu: i read it all about alphabet inventing ai, playing go, errythang.
alex__c: that's still in beta mkay
mircea_popescu: all they ever make is betas.
mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform : there's a 50% chance native speaker fails to note that refrain. ITS FUCKING HARD.
asciilifeform: wai wat's hard
asciilifeform is gonna have to buy another trunk, to carry the sov-era kidz bookz in ro, ceaucescu hat, misc. lulzolade, home
asciilifeform: phunphakt, asciilifeform's relatives dun believe the tale 'though it be told unto them', they have ro burned into rom as bucharest circa 1980 or so
mircea_popescu: i suppose for the same money i shall pretend russia is == gorky.
asciilifeform: many ameritards actually pictured 1980s su as 50s, ask asciilifeform re how was gulag etc
asciilifeform: balalaika, bear, reactor !
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
mircea_popescu: (dude has various digested-obscura, like say ; arguably the pinnacle cultural product of the web era)
mircea_popescu: on cursory examination the item is actually well researched and correct.
asciilifeform: notbad.jpg
mircea_popescu: quite instructive, too. as per that observation, the absence of a connection between v. carpata and v. domitiana at either romula/tomis or apulum/istrus has a lot to do with there being such a thing as "moldavia"
a111: Logged on 2017-10-10 01:45 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : so us rail gauge is 1435 mm. why ? because the first us rail was built by english immigrants, who kept to the english style. but why was the english style 1435 mm ? because rail started as (horse drawn) trams, and that was the gauge they used. but why ? because when they made trams they just used the old horse carriage gauge, by reusing the same tools. but why did carriages use 1435 mm gauge ? because if they
mircea_popescu: whereas the via aurelia and its derivations to this day the basis of "european union".
mircea_popescu: and so following.
asciilifeform: ‘when you go by the via aurelia, ad thousands have traveled before, remember the luck of the soldier, who never saw rome any more...’
asciilifeform: (kipling)
mircea_popescu: also the ~best piece i ever read on russian post-soviet collapse :
asciilifeform: ‘Legend has it that every civilization is given a certain number of saecula by the gods. The Romans lasted for 24 saecula, the Ancient Egyptians held on for 30.’
mircea_popescu: is this by the old definition, seculum "until everyone present dies off" ?
mircea_popescu: it is. heh.
mircea_popescu: basically, very strong signs of argentinization in the ex-soviet lands.
asciilifeform: in what sense
mircea_popescu: in the sense of ending up with a humongous buenos aires full of lazy parasites expecting to live off govt handouts and an entirely undevelopped interior of humonmgous size.
mircea_popescu: argentina is like 2x the size of all europe. its internal development is comparable to the island of corfu.
mircea_popescu: this "collapse into the capital" is major bad news.
asciilifeform: ru is pipe-powered, not mega-seekrit
asciilifeform: and recall thatcher’s formula.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason you suspect "europe will grow back" is strictly because every 20 miles a church steeple. exactly like egypt's but for richer people.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-23 17:41 mircea_popescu: AND throughout the egypt that i've seen, they to this day have clay pots with water in the shade every quarter mile or so on the road. notwithstanding that yes you can buy bottled water and did i share that pic of the desert dhl ?
mircea_popescu: russia has no "a road within walking distance anywhere you walk". it should, to survive.
asciilifeform: in ru, historically, culture == city
mircea_popescu: except that city was leningrad.
asciilifeform: from peter to lenin
mircea_popescu: us had a similar dynamic, with the unwashed irish tards landing in ny to be shipped to fight against the south while the precious cuntlets were kept under wraps in boston.
asciilifeform: but yes my understanding is that moscow is where western wreckerz dispense the bags of moolah; ergo growth ‘with yeast’. possibly phf can add detail.
mircea_popescu: this is a bigger problem for putin than anything else.
mircea_popescu: heck, getting the precious cuntlets to move to kazakstan was a major problem for everyone, stalin, khruschev, etc.
mircea_popescu: afaik only trotsky sorta-managed, but too dumb to realise what he was doing or capitalize on it.
asciilifeform: they tried double pay for the far east
asciilifeform: asciilifeform’s father went, for a spell
mircea_popescu: pay, as numerously discussed in teh forum, ain't the pill.
mircea_popescu: romans used the more adequate neckchain. sorta-worked.
mircea_popescu: notrly tho.
asciilifeform: verily pay dunwork
mircea_popescu: we have a similar problem in teh republic, at that. #trilema overgravity renders #castles impracticable yet.
asciilifeform: castles?
mircea_popescu: i expect there's going to be a lively THAT before there's any need of
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 15:55 mircea_popescu: the truth of the matter however is that to a large degree fain was powered by the original web delusion, "oh, lowering barriers to human creativity is what economy is all about". it's not. there's no such thing as "human creativity" in the sense of the general mass, and the barriers are there to keep us from the female wail.
asciilifeform: aaah like mod6’s
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, #asciilifeform #mod6 so on
asciilifeform: there isn’t , i suspect, even 1% of the people, or the traffic pressure yet
asciilifeform: to make such a thing urgent itch
mircea_popescu: but the similarity is there : we don't yet get that many rss links to need to build a more complicated pipe ; just as we don't yet get that many new speakers so as to need to build a skirt there either.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah. there may never be, actually, seeing how the vast majority of those who stumble in are dumb in the classical sense, ie, mute.
asciilifeform: i still find this a puzzle
asciilifeform: because typical idjit is a nevertiring chatterbox in meatspace
mircea_popescu: typical idiot can't get in here much like typical lamb can't eat tatched roofing.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu Bucharest is also some 6 times if not more the size of next town in ro, isn't it? not sure if that says much though in itself
mircea_popescu: diana_coman depends how you count ; but in any meaningful sense bucharest is a minor player to cluj, brasov et co.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, typical idiot *runs* like crazy away from here even if he somehow stumbles in for a second (he'll try hard not to though as it's cheaper on his own self-esteem and whatnot)
mircea_popescu: the russian school of medicine is in moscow, see, not in kiev.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, eh now; by the same token as the maps: population+growth in population
mircea_popescu: well now ima have to look at the demographic geography of it.
asciilifeform: eh in su times plenty of dispersion, school of paratrooper was in kaunis, say
mircea_popescu: ahahaha really, brasov is 250k ?
mircea_popescu: dude the official romanian statistics are worthless.
diana_coman: myeah, why I did not cite numbers
diana_coman: because I looked and!
mircea_popescu: then again, these are the same people who couldn't produce a count of suines in the country
mircea_popescu: (not privately held -- FARM HELD)
diana_coman: well, remember I had to scrap the bac data and then the ministry statisticians were getting it on the sly from my blog?
mircea_popescu: poor darlings.
diana_coman: so then, official statistics in ro are worse than non-existant, what
diana_coman: uhm, *whose* darlings again
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. i hold that the situation is not similar in ru and ro ; neither the evolution / trends. but this will have to be as first hand word of god, because there's no better available.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman it is said the lord of the jews has a special foible for idiots. at least so discovered the current (jesuit) pope.
diana_coman: I don't know enough on RU to say much at that level really so...
asciilifeform: and asciilifeform hasn’t even ~been~ to yeltsinized ru...
diana_coman: in any case and fwiw since I happen to know this tidbit, gospodin Medvedev did open (and I don't mean cutting the red tape sort of open but rather pouring the money & bringing in people from abroad sort of open) tam-tam big uni and all that in Tatarstan some years ago already rather than next to Moscow and I seriously doubt it was *not* part of a wider-range development plan
mircea_popescu: im sure htey're trying.
mircea_popescu: the chinese are also trying, what with their empty towns and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: contrary to the socialist delusions, papica is not the pill.
asciilifeform: ro is blessed with a capital that nobody wants to live in because hat man wrecked it and filled with hruschebas
mircea_popescu: this is not exactly so. the extremely snot-nosed transylvanians didn't want to move there in 1850, either.
mircea_popescu: and the moldavians even put it in writing, "shit-eating faces like they eat nothing but fungus". also cca 1850.
asciilifeform: interesting
mircea_popescu: during the communist time, the "repartitie" (approx, warrant) was a major instrument of social control. basically : to dwell anywhere, you had to get a job there. to get the job, you had to a) go to school and then, be ... sent to it, ie "destined", repartizat.
mircea_popescu: these were an important item therefore, and obviously urban such sought in preference of rural. except, in general people from cluj wanted one in cluj or else you know, turda, rather than the (nominally, at least) more valuable bucharest one.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense there's a ready measure, in the proper-est term : the black market value of the country capital warrant was under the black market value of the local capital warrant in most places.
mircea_popescu: not so in southern moldavia ; rural dobrogea ; eastern old kingdom (oltenia etc). which is how bucharest ended up massively overrepresenting the olteni (ceausescu himself was from a village there)
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, locals wanted local, what
mircea_popescu: diana_coman aha.
diana_coman: I don't really know of someone from Bucharest who wanted Cluj either
diana_coman: or Iasi or Constanta even
mircea_popescu: 90s brought a lot of georgians into moscwo, but this very unrelatedly to stalin's patrilinearity, i suspect.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman amusingly, they rarely got them, either. they got rural shitholes a la you know, georghe-gheorghiu-dej or vulcan or w/e the fuck jewels of socialism that no longer exist.
diana_coman: well, as far as I know from older people it was mainly either permanent rural shithole or otherwise shitty temporary mini-jobs in some town
mircea_popescu: (they also got dar-al-salaam and so on, of course, tirgoviste ended up shipped there as engineers much in the way rahovei got exported to afghanistan a coupla decades later)
diana_coman: obv,unless pcr to move to town in max 2 years or something
diana_coman: onth there were pockets of "I'll hold onto whatever good engineers I get" a la IAR ghimbav
diana_coman: for as long as there was a person who did precisely that
mircea_popescu: yes. there were strong attractors, the kalash factory, the cluj/bucharest/brasov/iassi ITCs etc.
mircea_popescu: the bucharest "bourgeois economic studies" thing, there's a dozen or so.
BingoBoingo: Oh my, much lawgs and numbers to digest this evening
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 19:34 mircea_popescu: during the communist time, the "repartitie" (approx, warrant) was a major instrument of social control. basically : to dwell anywhere, you had to get a job there. to get the job, you had to a) go to school and then, be ... sent to it, ie "destined", repartizat.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the chinese are also trying, what with their empty towns and whatnot. << Oh, China just held a big presser on Sinicizing region and Make Asia China Again
BingoBoingo: and Making Asia China Again means those weird extremist gentile followers of the late Jew King are a national security threat
ben_vulpes: > the substantive point is that we do not, at present, have a theory of inflation dynamics that works sufficiently well to be of use for the business of real-time monetary policy-making
ben_vulpes: awwww, it's hard, isn't it.
asciilifeform: for so long as it is verboten to include the screamingly obvious printolade-via-fractionalreserve thing, yes, can have as many epicycles as they feel like
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect, yeah.
mircea_popescu: << "we don't at this point have a sufficiently palatable whitewash of inflation ; or for that matter even any statement that doesn't reduce to how the best course would be for us to eat shit and die. so in preference of that, we'll just pretend ignorance, because such a course totally works and everything".
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 21:34 ben_vulpes: > the substantive point is that we do not, at present, have a theory of inflation dynamics that works sufficiently well to be of use for the business of real-time monetary policy-making
mircea_popescu: there, fift.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fwiw, a ro corp is about 80 bux or such. wtf 800 dollars to open a corp in brazil, what do they take themselves for ?
mircea_popescu: us can do it for ~100, brazil is special ?
AndreaGuzman: wau tanto para Bitcoin
asciilifeform: re information, see also sacramental
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 16:24 mircea_popescu: diana_coman in this vein was lulzy thing at lesbian club, chick is "i have no idea why i'm getting so drunk ?!?" "you keep drinking" "what ?! it suddenly hit me like... wtf." "you keep drinking." "what do you mean ?"
mircea_popescu: AndreaGuzman that's the low price.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently rainforest and language protection.
mircea_popescu: !!rate AndreaGuzman 1 if she breaks anything, send shinohai the bill :D
mircea_popescu: AndreaGuzman como te gustan los eeuu ?
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
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AndreaGuzman: ya tengo clave dame Bitcoin shinohai :P
mircea_popescu: << i expect more a case of english speaking mortodifame imagines he's white because nobody told him otherwise.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 22:08 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently rainforest and language protection.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Hey, gotta keep spanish language from absorbokilling Portugues language
asciilifeform: mm delish
AndreaGuzman: ay mis novias!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 0 chances of that. off the entire continent, the only functional sovereign is brazil. the whole rest of spanish speaking dorks can barely sum together to 2/3 of ye olde kingdom
BingoBoingo: Well, it is an attraction. Lumped together with India, China, and Russia as BRIC. Seems a strong winner on the not NATO front.
mircea_popescu: conceivably, yes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, who's your source for "company costs 800, visa costs 1200" etc ?
asciilifeform: lolwat that's outrageous
asciilifeform: hey BingoBoingo is brazil signatory to the obummer tax stoolie treaty ?
asciilifeform would bet that it was
mircea_popescu: and in perhaps oldest pantsuit lulz : ludwig of bavaria was a king, who constructed most of what today attracts the tourists there. as he at some point decided to get rid of his inept cabinet, the ministers got together, bribed a bunch of servants, and came up with a lengthy list of gossip ; on the basis of which, a very "respectable" conclave of four "experts" from the stanford princeton and yale of the time (munich insane a
mircea_popescu: sylum director, that guy's son in law, etc) declared that the king has paranoia and "his freedom of action can no longer be allowed" and this is permanent, because they say so.
mircea_popescu: 1886, make bavaria great again.
asciilifeform: or recall when gorby was 'unwell' ?
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the schmucks also had the audacity to go over to neuschwanstein, "inform" the king of their "document". because totally, that's how it works.
mircea_popescu: king had them sent off at gunpoint rather than you know, flayed alive and exposed on the south wall, as customary.
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mircea_popescu: wut is a bn ?
shinohai: oops, ill redo
shinohai: i meant bnc *
mircea_popescu: anyway ; the adventure of ludwig otto friedrich wilhelm, king and duke of bavaria, duke of franconia and swabia, count palatine of teh rhine is well informative. popular monarch, unwilling to flay pantsuit alive, "died mysteriously".
shinohai: !!rate AndreaGuzman 1 first bnc customer, longtime friend.
trinque: shinohai: selling IRC bouncer hosting?
asciilifeform: still unclear to me how a properly reigning king can be committed to asylum
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he failed to order the national guard to fire upon the parliament, in modern soviet terms.
asciilifeform: ( who dragged him away? why his retainers not replied with rifles )
asciilifeform: immediately makessense.
mircea_popescu: impossible to defend king who doesn't order the death of the pantsuit. kinda how trump lost, by not having clinton kidnapped and jailed in afghanistan.
mircea_popescu: "oh, nyt wants to save her ? let them. let's see what wordcount is necessary per kilo."
mircea_popescu: sister question to "what qty of bishop-hour prayer is required to lift airplane per thousand feet".
asciilifeform: oh hey wasn't this in the ceaucescu thread also earlier
mircea_popescu: i expect it's recurring universally, it being the universal clou.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> anyway, who's your source for "company costs 800, visa costs 1200" etc ? << "Valet" service for incorporate and move called "Establish Brazil"
mircea_popescu: exact equivalent of "hosting" services.
mircea_popescu: not useful.
BingoBoingo: Provides metric for evaluating lawyers and accountant quotes.
asciilifeform: spamexpert will happily tack on extra zero or 2 and not necessarily even attempt the work per se
BingoBoingo: And so will rando lawyer when presented a gringo
mircea_popescu: generally not attempt any work whatsoever. fine example would be
mircea_popescu: plox to not employ "experts" not qualified beyond whoredom to anything else.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo gringoness dun enter into it. case linked -- me, ie romanian, in romania.
mircea_popescu: exactly like the busbrothel, containing whores who are willing for you to pay as much as they say for them to do what they think they should, the female herd contains all sorts of other busses. the bus-lawyer, the bus-wife, the whatever else.
mircea_popescu: efficient obedience does not come naturally to the peonry.
mircea_popescu: possibly the most annoying version in the usg lands is the bus-doctor. he'll tell you what to pay and he klnows what to do. and he's never heard the salutary "bitch, say what ?" in his lyf.
asciilifeform: ^ endemic
asciilifeform: try getting a uterus keychain installed in a chix in usa, meet dozen of these types
asciilifeform: they're not, however, dropped by martians, no: they are parasitic on bovine clientelle
asciilifeform: who willingly go along
mircea_popescu: mno, they're resultant of female state. come at the other end.
mircea_popescu: yes, bovine clientele puts up with it ; but this because they don't beat their wife and her children into shape, so the neglected sfortunati end up building the cheloid in the first place.
mircea_popescu: then that cheloid gets infected with "experts".
mircea_popescu: extra obedientia nulla salus! origen tends to misspell things.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the impression is that "Establish Brazil" exists to let the Roger Vers play at Rio beach by ordering from menu. Actual lawyer selection will require their presence in Paulista neighborhood and acting as lawyers.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the german lands lulz : the item in can be identified specifically ; but is also a composite of many different historical personages. one of which is a certain Moritz von Haber, a jew & banker who "was accused" by the local pantsuits of "too much influence", ended up shooting a bunch of the tards in a series of duels, including jorge von lasollaye and various others.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> yes. the place you describe, btw, is prolly "bad curtain" mentioned afore. << badea cartan was indeed pretty satisfying. except for that one time i went to the fish shop on a blazing afternoon and found the attendant woman eating a rather underdone softboiled egg with a tiny spoon behind the buckets of crap and icre crap and experienced an acute tactile-olfactory horror
mircea_popescu: in other great usg victories against isis & co, "there was another team in the same area as the platoon ambushed in niger".
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