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mircea_popescu: trinque yeah, i have no clear model in my head of what's going on. but, i expect most load other than trb will be apache or something like it. and in my experience higher clock beats more cores once you have more than 4 or so, there.
mircea_popescu: not much experience in that experience tho.
mircea_popescu: re cooked : i don't expect anyone's getting cooked. half-decent run DC has no hotspot over 50 anyway, no matter what.
mircea_popescu: the idea that desktop towers are well cooled is ridoinculous on the face. i dun think half of them are, tbh.
mircea_popescu: this is a little like saying "hospital's no place for imunosupressed patients, they should be in their car, which people keep clean"
mircea_popescu: for one thing, they don't. and for the other thing... really ?!
mircea_popescu: but, in any case, more of a curio/bikeshed than anything i think. overclocking isn't likely to have more than a 1% if tyhat impact either way in bbisp affairs.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782296 << yes. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782297 << the thing changed lots in 20 years. for isntance, there's actual bios support for the procedure by now. it's a lot like say roller skating, they got special safety gear and competitions and purpose-made plywood for the backyard, it's not the 80s anymoar sorta thing.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 03:56 trinque: anybody here overclocked before?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 03:56 mod6: i haven't for 20 years, but it basically resulted in a very unstable box.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782302 << the cpu is worth 10% of the actual rig (disk, memory). it's the part getting fried for getting more out of the rig, if anything is.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 03:57 TomServo: That was my point, I don't see it being worth the effore given cpu cheapness.. even with the VAT.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782304 << uruguay, dood. not fucking washington. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779553 & so fucking happy to have any business AT ALL after the impenetrable cloud of sheer imbecility they've surrounded themselves with...
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 03:58 TomServo: ben_vulpes: not sure about any air gap, all the racks i've seen are pretty pretty tight
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:35 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> holyfuq, konsoomer towers in racks in dc << Cargo cult
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782311 << but the firm expectation based on no experience is how alf gets in trouble like...daily. why copy what dun work from him ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 03:59 TomServo: but i've also never racked overclocked servers and would expect no joy to come from it
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782314 << well, i'd expect airflow at all times driven by the dc HVAC. i dunno you'd want to buy space in a dc with no internal airflow. i've also never been in one that had no internal airflow. then again i've never been in a clean room that had no internal airflow either.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:01 TomServo: but the air between machines isn't moving, right? if not by convection?
mircea_popescu: or, for that matter, in a civilised house. because how the fuck would this work, modernity is built on airflow like the roman empire was built on running water.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782329 << boxes with a pile of ram are not lowend by any definition of the term. ram is pretty much the only thing.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:07 ben_vulpes: TomServo: i personally run machines for longevity, but i can see why mircea_popescu and BingoBoingo would want to run their lowendboxen hot and cram as much into 'em as possible.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782333 << hey, we get systemd in, right ? the reboots' gonna be so fast you won't even notice them
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:08 mod6: any customer who's paying for a service won't appreciate random reboots
mircea_popescu: /sarcasm
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782339 << sadly, i dun see how bbisp could provide platter. for one thing, it takes way the fuck more power. for the other, it simply dun work for one of the more important republican apps, teh trb. it's just... not there.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:11 ben_vulpes: this ftr is what galls me about ssds; the accelerated deterioration rate.
mircea_popescu: not to say we won't rack old school disks someone ships ; but i think that's about as far as that goes.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782342 << kinda the idea, if i bother to send a librarian over to orcistan to start an isp, ima just as well challenge established belief. it's just sane business management.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:13 TomServo: Agreed, I'll admit the overclocking really threw me.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782359 << hey, my car has a flask of rum in the net behind the front seat. and i drink it, too.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:29 TomServo: some! contain no beer at all! strickly Windsor Canadian Whiskey
mircea_popescu: aaand with that, ima be off to the beach! laters.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/totally-legit-traffix-sir/ << Trilema - Totally legit traffix sir!
BingoBoingo: <TomServo> BingoBoingo: In my experience the plastic slats are intended to better maintain hot/cold isle airflow. << This is sorta what I figured.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but in principle, gear can't produce more heat than the electricity it gets. so i expect at some point they'll start whining about "Gotta get another rack, we can't go over 4kw/per" or w/e they do. no ? << We have 2.5 kw now, and if we need more we can get a set of incoming power lines for another 2.5 kw. After that it is time for a second rack.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782378 << HVAC provided airflow we do have. Air arrive into the cool aisle cool, Leaves the hot aisle not too incredibly much warmer but noticably so.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 09:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782314 << well, i'd expect airflow at all times driven by the dc HVAC. i dunno you'd want to buy space in a dc with no internal airflow. i've also never been in one that had no internal airflow. then again i've never been in a clean room that had no internal airflow either.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8399.9, vol: 48731.91843205 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8309.9, vol: 141013.78401814 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8386.9, vol: 21024.6930137 | Volume-weighted last average: 8338.38964632
BingoBoingo: Awe the crashing is crashing
shinohai: Buenas Dias BingoBoingo ... pronto llegara una Qntra
BingoBoingo: Muchas gracias
ave1: So, I've created a vpatch of the mp-wp I'm running, would it be OK to publish this?
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mod6: mornin'
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782333 << hey, we get systemd in, right ? the reboots' gonna be so fast you won't even notice them << lol
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:08 mod6: any customer who's paying for a service won't appreciate random reboots
phf: !~later tell danielpbarron ack
jhvh1: phf: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782376 << lulzily enuff, it so happens that asciilifeform has, in actual life, racked variously overclocked konsoomer boxen, for industrial use. (and did not even, as might be the naive expectation, 'live to regret it!11' : in the ~particular~ application , it worked.) but asciilifeform is not in the spamming biznis; will not attempt to feed his advice down the throats of folx who specifically do no
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 09:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782311 << but the firm expectation based on no experience is how alf gets in trouble like...daily. why copy what dun work from him ?
asciilifeform: t want it.
asciilifeform: overclockism is an interesting subj and -- very heavily depending on the application ( i.e. is it cpu-bound ? or will you simply be making a hotter chip wait 800 cycles for each out-of-cache memory access instead of 500... ? ) can be The Right Thing. but i have nfi what use case mircea_popescu has in mind . ( mine was number-crunching, and i had specifically written the routine to fit in L0 . )
asciilifeform: nao if he intends to overclock ~the memory~ ( konsoomer, ddr3 or even -4 , as i understand, non-ecc... ) , then the gods themselves...
shinohai: BingoBoingo: s/Gingo/Gringo/ ... also double `a's` in paint marker section. Nice norp though.
BingoBoingo: ty, fxd
BingoBoingo: Processing Qntra
BingoBoingo: !~ticker market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8188.9, vol: 44808.28039899 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8133.0, vol: 123457.99863739 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8157.1, vol: 18902.7274665 | Volume-weighted last average: 8148.81639322
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/02/mayoman-squeals-as-buterins-waterfall-weakens/ << Qntra - Mayoman Squeals As Buterin's Waterfall Weakens
shinohai: Kudos on the mayoman pic BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: ^ Congrats shinohai on the first LATAM homed Qntra to get a picture
mod6: BingoBoingo: plz to request another 2 images. one with front door all the way open, as far back into the isle as can be taken. i.e. try to see if you can take a full frontal with the door open. and the same for the backside.
mod6: maybe take a couple so you hopefully get one less shakey.
BingoBoingo: mod6: These requests have been noted on the paper of the to do for the next visit
mod6: Thank you Sir. From the box butts picture, from what i can tell, looks pretty much what I expected / standard. i.e. the 'fast'-rails that we've purchased should work ok. a few more images will help tho. thanks!
BingoBoingo: Also next trip I am bringing a measuring tape. The hash marks go up to 20 in the middle of the cage before counting down again. I assume this means a 39 or 40 inch deep cabinet, but will measure myself to confirm.
mod6: Ah, good call.
mod6: Another, perhaps interesting set of images would be to take a pic of the front of the cabnet from off to the side a bit -- to show the perfereated tiles in the the floor (if it's done this way) ; and the same for the back.
mod6: something like this maybe: http://archive.is/kyJ7S
BingoBoingo: In this hall, as per the post and previous mentions in the logs cooling comes from the monster chillers in the aisles. More specifically these guys https://www.vertivco.com/en-us/products-catalog/thermal-management/in-row-cooling/liebert-crv-in-row-cooling-system-19-40kw/
BingoBoingo: In other halls they operate in montevideo they have the vertical room for raised floors, but in this building the vertical distance from structural concrete to more structural concrete is the limiting factor.
mod6: Oh, ok.
mod6: I was kinda confused on that part.
mod6 looks at image
mod6: 79"x12"x43"
mod6: do they have one per isle?
BingoBoingo: Given the size and ratio of coolers to cabinets there seems to be a healthy amount of excess capacity. There is more than one per aisle.
mod6: Ah, ok. neato.
BingoBoingo: Each hot aisle has at least one on each side pulling in hot air for cooling. . ' . ' . Is an approximation of the arrangement
mod6 looks
mod6: ok gotcha
TomServo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782364 << prolly more than half are not, but the overclocked ones typically are
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 09:20 mircea_popescu: the idea that desktop towers are well cooled is ridoinculous on the face. i dun think half of them are, tbh.
TomServo: BingoBoingo: You might consider pointing your switch toward the back of the rack for better cable management. Gain 1U if you can double up with your qntra server. (but I would put it at the top)
BingoBoingo: TomServo: That makes a lot of sense. Qntra is not very deep, physically.
BingoBoingo: If I do it this week before more boxes arrive it is 4 screws and maybe 10 minutes of downtime.
BingoBoingo: * 8 screws
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8200.0, vol: 43861.21981026 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8144.0, vol: 115285.83569904 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8199.0, vol: 18076.9948479 | Volume-weighted last average: 8163.46949649
mircea_popescu: so i broke off my legs again, had to be carried off teh beach. MAN I FUCKING LOVE THE OCEAN!
mircea_popescu: but in other "mp's bed, bath & lifestyle", teh hos got this dr teal's epsom salt body scrub" somewhere. best thing to rub on your legs when you've driven them to literally collapse from sheer exhaustion.
shinohai: Heh I have a box of the lavender kind in my medicine chest. Good stuff.
asciilifeform: broke legs?!
mircea_popescu: well, broken as in no longer working, not as in fragmented bones.
mod6: omgwat
mod6: just played too long in the water?
doppler: started turning into fish
doppler: fish don't have legs
mircea_popescu: word, i'm evolving.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah.
mircea_popescu: the waves here are fucking superb.
shinohai: lol Mermaidcea Popescu
ben_vulpes: oh man, i would really like to learn to surf
mod6: surfing is the best
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes there was this bunch of hotties surfing on their own btw...
mircea_popescu: it's great to watch young woman butt on board paddling, you know ?
ben_vulpes knows, but only from videos
mircea_popescu: anyway. great times.
mod6 envy
mircea_popescu: hey, come over. i'll show you where it is. odds of girlybutt > 100%.
lobbes: Ah, warm ocean is best ocean. I could never enjoy the cool northern ocean I grew up next to, even in the summer. My extreme lack of fat insulation always led to my body becoming a flesh anchor. "Just relax, you'll float" "huh? Relax how?"
lobbes: I remember setting foot in a tropical ocean for first time and thinking "ahhh this is what all the fuss is about"
mircea_popescu: lobbes it's like 22 celsius. pleasure to step into. literally.
diana_coman remembers northerners going: "soup, this is LIKE SOUP"
mircea_popescu: it was warmer than my balls.
lobbes: Ah see thats the key. Ball temp differental is usually my main problem with cool waters.
mircea_popescu: correction : i see it was actually TWENTY EIGHT
diana_coman: ahahah, SOUP!
mod6: heheh. sounds awesome.
mircea_popescu: oh and there's like, a buncha sandcrabs
mircea_popescu: i threw one a crumb of sandwich, he spent like 5 minutes trying to stuff it into his hidey-hole
mircea_popescu: DELISHIOUSSSSS CRUMBBBB
mod6: haha.
mircea_popescu: oh, and did i mention the macaws ? and the pelicans ?
mod6: birds on bird errands eh
mircea_popescu: there's a macaw tree ; and hundreds of pelicans fish in the wake.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> oh man, i would really like to learn to surf << i'll never forget the first time i caught a wave. something very zen about the whole experience.
mod6: it isn't easy to time it right, but once you get it, wow.
mircea_popescu: there was a guy that was pretty good, Z-d counter-wake with great agility.
mircea_popescu: but most people just you know, ride it a few meters and faceplant.
mircea_popescu: that's another great thing to watch, girlibutt going from paddle to standing. she's got one second to lift lift lift!
mod6: sure, yeah, takes practice. i seemed to pick it up pretty ok, found that it's not /that/ different from turns on a snowboard.
mircea_popescu is mostly a surfpectator.
mod6: yeah, the girls are pretty fun to watch
mircea_popescu: better than skating imo.
mircea_popescu: well... wetter than skating at any rate.
mod6: heheh. i used to love watching the figure skaters
BingoBoingo: Here on the playa Pocitos we get the windsurfers, they persist when the waves get too ballsy for swimmers.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: was watching from beyond the break?
mircea_popescu: well, it varied. i go where the ocean sends me, you know ?
mod6: yeah, gotta watch out for the riptides too
ben_vulpes: no notrly, /me suffers from lobbes-style sinkism
ben_vulpes: every second in the water is a fight to stay at the surface
mircea_popescu: mod6 they actually have riptides here, moderately bad. also stingrays, and sharks, AND CROCODILES.
mircea_popescu: but whatcah gonna do, not ever die ?
asciilifeform: there's something to be said for being eaten at sea. but i'd still rather try for the big cats, where available
mod6: mircea_popescu: yah, gotta live a little every now and then.
mircea_popescu: surfers lose the occasional leg. rarely actually eaten, ocean typically only wants a taste.
trinque: riptide got me as a kid, actually felt like kind of a little badass when I came out of it
mircea_popescu: but i lost my 2nd pair of slippers, through the procedure of sit down in car, forget to pick them up. i guess im buying a half dozen next.
mircea_popescu: trinque it is. from what i hear can drag you 5 miles.
mircea_popescu: now, the floor is very smooth and the incline very forgiving, so you wouldn't be much deeper than maybe 5-10 meters even then.
mircea_popescu: but man, and kid also, can drown just fine in 5 meters of water.
mircea_popescu: i certainly could manage it.
asciilifeform: man, if he earnestly tries, can drown in bucket also
mircea_popescu: in bucket i can float.
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> Here on the playa Pocitos we get the windsurfers, they persist when the waves get too ballsy for swimmers. << everytime I think of windsurfing, i think of horseface nearly getting hit by that giant boat.
mod6: makes me laugh
mircea_popescu: they have a sort of sea paragliding here, i have half a mind to try it sometime
mircea_popescu: looks pretty cool.
mircea_popescu: basically a large kite of sorts, with you attached.
mod6: ah, yeah. that can get a little dicy if you're 50+ feet up and the wind dies.
mod6: i guess lot of these are pulled by boat tho.
asciilifeform: these are very popular in the beach i go to
asciilifeform: often dozens of people riding'em
shinohai: http://archive.is/zEfQN <<< heh I didn't know this, to XRP genesis means "Block 32570"
mircea_popescu: so you go splat, big whoop. tho yeah, i kinda see boats with it always.
mod6: shinohai: bwahaha. man, another usg scam that refuses to die
shinohai: But the raw tx's are totally there, so no worries!
mod6: mircea_popescu: there many rocks/coral in that area?
mircea_popescu: i've not seen any, except two small fragments on the beach. white sorta carbide rock, notrly coral like people think of, the rosy australian stuff
mod6: ah. sounds pretty decent. that coral is nasty if you fall / get a laceration from it
mod6: (speaking of things that refuse to die)
mircea_popescu: hey, "impaled on coral". better than "impaled on acura"
mod6: agree.
mircea_popescu: in other not rteally news, "moonrise kingdom" is not even atrociously bad. pubescent lovestory, not quite white cat/black cat but still.
asciilifeform: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/59x0S/?raw=true << possible qntraism
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/02/shortages-of-surface-mount-components-mount/ << Qntra - Shortages Of Surface Mount Components Mount
BingoBoingo: ty asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782404 << very much so ; is it off hanbot's (yet not really published ?) genesis or what ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 13:43 ave1: So, I've created a vpatch of the mp-wp I'm running, would it be OK to publish this?
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
phf: it's like the bowery boys in here. code words and secret passages.
shinohai: Can't run a terrorist organization without seekrit communications!
mod6: GBB ZNAL FRPERGF
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pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782059 << sorry for the delayed response but i'm available for this if it's still needed
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 13:27 mircea_popescu: so, let me know if you're interested in buying some newegg/amazon/whatever for this, danielpbarron pete_dushenski whosoever else.
mircea_popescu: cool. yeah tomorrow split the pot up.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782127 << been catching fragments. anything i can help with as far as ordering ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 16:08 BingoBoingo: !~later tell pete_dushenski Have you been following the BBisp developments?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i think i saw that lobbes was getting in on the action, any other to divide the pie between ?
mircea_popescu: well, not publicly announced so far.
mircea_popescu: why, you want to swallow the whole pile ?
pete_dushenski: is it still ~15k usd ?
mircea_popescu: about yeaj
pete_dushenski: and the arrangement is to order bbisp supplies, and take delivery and repackage or have them shipped directly to uruguay from amazegg ? (sorry for missing this detail in logs)
mircea_popescu: send them to phf, he'll courier
pete_dushenski: got it. let me check what the lousy cad is worth and confirm pie proportion but at least half should be no prob.
danielpbarron: i can do some as well
mircea_popescu: aite. stay tuned tomorro
pete_dushenski: in other educative rapes, http://archive.is/zSi35
pete_dushenski: "Spelling employs a skill many of the women honed while captive: mnemonic memory. Some spent much of their time memorizing lengthy prayers and hymns. Others composed diary entries in their heads—their thoughts, injustices they suffered—they would later log in journals they kept hidden."
pete_dushenski: "“I find it easy to memorize,” said Saratu Ayuba, who won a gold medal in a recent contest by successfully spelling entertainment. “I know the small words. I can build them out in my head.”"
mircea_popescu: oh check it out, lamarckianism still around.
pete_dushenski: in re #bringbackourgirls and related benefits of bokoharamisms
mircea_popescu: contrary to pantsuit fanfic, memory is unrelated to whining.
mircea_popescu: nor is there some kind of historical or cultural component to it, as teh little clitlers appear to imply.
trinque: top-left one looks like a dude. I thought that was haram
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