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asciilifeform: 'WAT A PERVERT!111' (tm) (r) (lsl)
asciilifeform: hey did we ever have thread re the 'culture test' in lsl ?
mircea_popescu: i think i even have trhqat pic
asciilifeform: i only found out late in life that it was actually a 'book code' copyprotection thing.
asciilifeform: l0l! yes!
asciilifeform: so we must've had thread re subj.
mircea_popescu: i think so
asciilifeform: $#s leisure suit
asciilifeform: !#s leisure suit
mircea_popescu: article is aug 5th 2015
asciilifeform: $s leisure suit
a111: Logged on 2015-05-13 04:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: o yeah the factory where they made spares!
thestringpuller ponders if mircea_popescu is the real life Raymond Reddington
mircea_popescu: !!up vinimore
deedbot: vinimore voiced for 30 minutes.
vinimore: #Eurola
mircea_popescu: heh carnage.
vinimore: wait... how do I go to the chat again?
mircea_popescu: /join #eulora
vinimore: it says I'm the only user hahaha
mircea_popescu: no ? mind the typing.
vinimore: my adress
vinimore: 1Bt6S6aP5BH618ZFp2e1LZEmDZW53Ur4mS
mircea_popescu: alrighty.
vinimore: is there anything else I can do?
mircea_popescu: not right now ; i'm about to go to bed. but prolly tomorrow ; and besides there's other people who want to hire noobs, so ask in chan
vinimore: alright! :)
vinimore: going to bed too
deedbot: << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Why I work out.
mircea_popescu: !!key Lestat9
deedbot: No such key.
shinohai: Our beloved fleanode has been cranky I see
shinohai: I kinda wish BitBet was still around in old form to bet on how many of these "companies" will still be around in 12 months
mircea_popescu: hard to properly word a "company not around" clause is the problem. according to usg, ibm and cisco are both "still around".
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: in other news, check out the redundancy on that chick, three different block As.
asciilifeform: << fountain of lulz. e.g., 'Loyyal 'Pre-Series A' - The Internet of Loyalty'
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 12:43 shinohai: I kinda wish BitBet was still around in old form to bet on how many of these "companies" will still be around in 12 months
asciilifeform: and hey, various ancient scams still zombieing along
asciilifeform: 'factom', even
asciilifeform: $s factom
covertress: thank you, mircea_popescu. as you can see, i'm having connectivity problems today with my hurricane-damaged isp.
deedbot: << Trilema - A complete theory of politics
mod6: mornin'
shinohai: o/ mod6 the African build went fine btw
mod6: jurov: will there be a monthly Treasury report coming through for The Bitcoin Foundation?
mod6: shinohai: awesome!
mod6: yea, my offline build worked great too.
shinohai: Will try offline build today when I get a bit more organized
mod6: cool man
covertress: submitted for everyone's listening pleasure and philosophical debate: Stefan Molyneux | The Deadly Superstition of Human Rights (and other gems)
asciilifeform: $s molyneux
covertress: :) ty asciilifeform
asciilifeform: iirc he's one of the mr.mold-style americanized faux-anarchy fellas.
phf: (hmm, a111 lost that message during reconciliation, going to fix that issue..)
phf: ok fixed
asciilifeform: neato phf . it worx.
mircea_popescu: o speaking of lost messages...
mircea_popescu: << ahaha check it out, he has it.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-10: [05:24:47] <vinimore> going to bed too
mircea_popescu was convinced it'd be missing
mircea_popescu: << i'm not going to listen to audio ; but seems he's spreading the gospel neh ?
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-10: [15:51:09] <asciilifeform> iirc he's one of the mr.mold-style americanized faux-anarchy fellas.
asciilifeform can't be arsed to listen to it either, he's listening to police radio and it is gut-bustingly hilarious
mircea_popescu: "i have my liberty and i dun need your dumb head to give me no rights" as far as ancient trilemisms go
mircea_popescu: !~bc,stats
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Error: "bc,stats" is not a valid command.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: I have 1 registered users with 0 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
shinohai: !bcstats
shinohai: !~bcstats
jhvh1: shinohai: Current Blocks: 429146 | Current Difficulty: 2.2075590833037228E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 429407 | Next Difficulty In: 261 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 18 hours, 54 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
shinohai: I didn't like the extra comma, twas removed
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: molyneux cribs from trilema with regards to the 'rights' fiction but then takes that perfectly reasoned (and seasoned) protein and tries to cook it... non-violently
pete_dushenski: ends up with usual probiotic vegan fare obv., because killing anything more than a carrot is mean mkay
shinohai: How dare you pete_dushenski, Apiaceae lives matter too.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, whatcha gonna do you know ?
pete_dushenski: shinohai: i guess there's always eating sterilised dirt
shinohai: What about all those poor microorganisms that would suffer and die in the dirt during the sterilization process?
mircea_popescu: they'll go to the great kitty litter in heaven ; which nobody ever changes.
pete_dushenski: better they die in the ovens than being slowly and painfully digested by stomach enzymes. sterilisation is the humane kill, like kosher neck slitting
pete_dushenski goes to check kitty litter to see if it needs changing
pete_dushenski returns to see that kitty litter is fine but that he's waaay behind on trilema
covertress: there's always soylent. people, not - further, i agree with you adlai,
a111: Logged on 2015-03-10 11:48 adlai: what really amazed/disappointed me was that NONE of the initial press coverage of 'soylent cream' mentioned 'soylent green'
mircea_popescu: coupla comments turn into 6k words in the blink of an eye.
shinohai: See yesterdays gossipd thread
mircea_popescu: this is not the worst though. there's some 5-6-700 comment articles from back in the romanian days.
shinohai needs a Romanian camwhore to help fast=track his language development.
mircea_popescu: shouldn't be that hard to find.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: on my trilema gorge sesh i noticed a linking inconsistency in the elliot chronicles. all subsequent parts link to their direct predecessors with the exception of which links to part one.
mircea_popescu: ah! lettuce fix then
BingoBoingo: He called it lettuce!
pete_dushenski: prolly meant spinach
BingoBoingo: Nah, James wanted to introduce him to spinach
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what's going on...
BingoBoingo: RTFF - Real Time Fan Fiction
mircea_popescu: btw, have you ever notice how many girls call spinach spinagge ?
pete_dushenski: in other alpha greens, i can totally get behind the definition of 'alpha male' that doesn't involve maintaining palaces full of harem girls. a deep sigh of relief was breathed across the land.
pete_dushenski: mostly because that many harem girls required a shedload of eunichs to keep a lid on things, which in turn require a whole castration and selection mechanism and doctors and nurses and orphanages and on and on and on
mircea_popescu: you mean euniggs.
mircea_popescu highfives himself for the most contortedly elaborate constructed joke in human history.
pete_dushenski: blackies do make fine specimens
mircea_popescu: take that, RTJJ!
pete_dushenski: i guess the white ones woulda been euwhiggas or something
pete_dushenski: sounds greek even
shinohai: mircea_popescu you mean euniggs. <<< top kek
pete_dushenski: shinohai: speaking of keksicles, did you get a bash page up yet ?
pete_dushenski: i'd be happy to help moderate it, or even host it if need be
shinohai: Imma try and have it up by first of week, I got sidetracked with this trb makefile thing
shinohai: But yeah, appreciate the offer of help. I miss perusing the bash-ism and really want that feature back.
pete_dushenski: np, lemma know if you need me :)
shinohai: Kinda has a ring to it!
pete_dushenski: ok well ima set that up and we'll go from there.
ben_vulpes: phf: that's my fault, uploaded a genesis.vpatch.sig
shinohai: <<< this will end well for sure
phf: ^ cc asciilifeform
covertress: to see the farm, is to leave it ┻━┻︵ \(°□°)/ ︵ ┻━┻
BingoBoingo: Uh, no. You must go to farm to see farm.
mircea_popescu: who bought the farm ?
mircea_popescu: violence IS the answer.
shinohai: It's the most effective tool of the Republic!
deedbot: << Qntra - Not Quite News Roundup Xtend 5 (TM)(R)
asciilifeform: << lol how did this get urlsnipped
phf: asciilifeform: shitty url "parser" :> i've been meaning to replace it, but i'm working on something else right now
asciilifeform: 'CoinTelegraph author Rebecca Campbell asked "If Bitcoin Had Sex, Could It Be Female?"' << wat
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Twas a headline with too much "Wat" not to round up xtend
mircea_popescu: hey, rebecca does what she can.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "began to alleges"
mircea_popescu: Framedragger tried that elena thing ; lots of lols were had.
BingoBoingo: ty, fxd
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, this is what happens when you don't build an Atlantic wall to keep spammers from becoming immigrants
mircea_popescu: by this point, im persuaded a half hour caning session for any would be mugger would do a lot more agains the phenomenon than anything the "legal system" has to offer.
mircea_popescu: lafond makes a good point, it's an r-strategy.
mircea_popescu: also, calling ringo a "bank robber" is a little off ; by this token you can call every retard who broke his own pipes a plumber.
mircea_popescu: they're just petty thieves with the wrong address, walked in the bank because to them it looks just like the 7/11
jurov: mod6 huh i forgot?
jurov: apparently...
mircea_popescu: "I have never had a need to believe. Though this mental state of apostasy has saved me the anger that accompanies the disillusioned man in his 30s who finally discovers that some important pillar of his life was built upon a lie, it is no sign of superior intellect." << lafond in peak form.
jurov: mod6: fxd
asciilifeform: << here in the heart of mordor (and quite likely elsewhere in the land of the phreeee) the banks react. i.e. they are abolishing walk-in rooms with tellers etc. entirely. atm or gtfo.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 23:11 mircea_popescu: they're just petty thieves with the wrong address, walked in the bank because to them it looks just like the 7/11
mircea_popescu: makes sense.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck in his right mind wants to go talk to a teller.
asciilifeform: ~nobody
asciilifeform: esp. not after the machines happily eat cheques etc.
mod6: thanks jurov
mircea_popescu: the poor got their ebt or w/e it is ; fuse banks with restaurants, they can have a waiter to take your order and a bank teller. who the fuck heard of this, seated servant before me standing ?!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and eat bills as well these days
asciilifeform hasn't been inside a bank in ~decade
asciilifeform: not counting that incident with the box (in logs a few yrs ago)
mircea_popescu: esp in the 80s, they had those ridiculous complicated paths cordoned off...
mircea_popescu: "nigga, i wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, who the fuck do you imagine is going through artistic queue movements."
asciilifeform: what 80s
asciilifeform: now also.
asciilifeform: in places where there are still walk-in bank.
asciilifeform: << why does ben_vulpes not show up on, e.g., genesis ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 21:39 a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 19:00 phf: four vpatches have been certified by the vulpes family, and
asciilifeform: (or anywhere else)
asciilifeform: bug in viewer ?
ben_vulpes: nah, i show up elsewhere
asciilifeform: ah hm yes
asciilifeform: further downstream
ben_vulpes: getting to it
asciilifeform: << did i ever tell phf how much i enjoy looking at the colours ?
asciilifeform: it is a more or less perfect vscope.
asciilifeform: << what happened here, phf ? i know i signed malleus and versionstring (i wrote'em) ?
ben_vulpes: << you'll probably find this as useful as any other rodent carcass left on your pillow, but over the last 2 months i've racked my own metal, migrated out of virtualization to the new box, ported my blog to mp-wp, and stood the obvious tmsr services up on the new box (blog, paster, node). it doesn't look like much from the outside, but paying down debt of necessity
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 02:04 asciilifeform: i like ben_vulpes but he has not been catching mice.
ben_vulpes: means not buying new shinies.
phf: asciilifeform: ask mod6, but i suspect that both were reground, and you didn't resign either since that happened
phf: also ben_vulpes was redoing his patches for technical reasons
asciilifeform: phf: wai wat
phf: ha
phf: a111 can't even
phf: asciilifeform: well, if you look at the seals folder you'll noticed that your sigs for the two patches are not there either, nor do i have them in my backup. since i remember meticulously going over mailing list and collecting vpatches and sigs, then correlating them to what mod6 had, then ... etc. etc. i suspect that there's some reason for why they are missing but i don't remember what it is. i suspect that it has something to do with regrinds t
phf: hat happened at some point?
mod6: phf: if you're talking about 'malleus_mikehearnificarum' and 'programmable-versionstring' then you'd be correct. they were reground, and never resigned by alf.
mod6: in fact, i think you said that you wouldn't sign them.
mod6: i dunno, it was back in the day.
asciilifeform: i'd like to know if i actually said such a thing
mod6: im not gonna worry about it. i went through some pain to get them exactly reground correctly, you checked them (iirc) and said they were "correct." but that was pretty much the end of it.
asciilifeform: i will sign.
mod6: i don't have time to dig it up. but.. i might be mis-remembering
asciilifeform: where was that hopper phf made, again
BingoBoingo: I think I vaguely remember. Something, something, makework, may have been argument
mod6: anyway, please, check out the reground ones, make sure they look good, and if you feel good about 'em, send me a sig :]
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-11: [00:18:10] <asciilifeform> hm.
phf: asciilifeform: just wotpaste'em to channel
deedbot: << CH - Extracting and Hashing Bitcoin Block Headers
mircea_popescu: phf does a111 autoprocess patches from chan or do you just do by hand ?
phf: mircea_popescu: i just do it by hand
mircea_popescu: a very greedy patchatron might be a good idea eventually.
phf: true, but right now the number of patches is so low i go out of my way to grab anything i can find anyway
mod6: this is a good thing.
mod6: it takes time to read through these things and validate their correctness.
mircea_popescu: honestly, i think the people who abstract-and-code are idiots anyway. first, you do it by hand. then, you automate what you did. this way a) end up with something that actually works, and even without much design skill is well designed, by mother nature's help ; b) avoiud the trap of "i spent five engineer hours to save myself thirty three minutes of secretarial work over the course of ten years."
BingoBoingo: THe ability to do 30 continuous minutes of secretarial work ought to be up there with the ability to load a half ton of topsoil into a truck as a bare minimum requirement for employabilitit
mircea_popescu: and of course the "256 bytes that changed the world" thing referenced from one raddcliffe's "codesupository" blogspot blog is gone.
mircea_popescu: "It is important to note that it is possible that instead of finding the magic ID, you instead find a bunch of zero bytes. In my own copy of the blockchain I have encountered a case when parsing through a .dat file, where the header is missing. Instead there is a large block of zero bytes and then the blockchain picks up again later. I don't know why/how this occurs."
asciilifeform: << i could've sworn there was a hopper i could drop into
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 00:40 phf: mircea_popescu: i just do it by hand
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall this too, but maybe it was a temporary thing
asciilifeform: possibly.
mircea_popescu: of course !#patch http://blabla works
asciilifeform: that exists ?
asciilifeform: what's it connected to ?
mircea_popescu: no i mean. ~could work~.
asciilifeform: ah - yes.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 00:47 mircea_popescu: "It is important to note that it is possible that instead of finding the magic ID, you instead find a bunch of zero bytes. In my own copy of the blockchain I have encountered a case when parsing through a .dat file, where the header is missing. Instead there is a large block of zero bytes and then the blockchain picks up again later. I don't know why/how this occurs."
asciilifeform: i keep forgetting what knobs the heathens lack
asciilifeform: in this case, evidently, '--verifyall'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, the code he's using (bitcoin qt! dude's a total eth-dork) is really shitty.
mircea_popescu: "Another important note needs to be made here. The block-length is *not* equal to the amount of data in the block! Meaning, after you read the last entry in a block, that offset often can be, and will be, *less* than the total length of the block reported. Your parser must take this into account and seek the file pointer to wherever the next location in the file is indicated by the block length value." << another example
mircea_popescu: "does this mean media wastage ?" "wut"
asciilifeform: this is illustrated in my blkcut.
asciilifeform: blkcutting is O(N).
asciilifeform: because tards.
mircea_popescu: kinda why i'm reading through this spec ben_vulpes dug up.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 00:36 deedbot: << CH - Extracting and Hashing Bitcoin Block Headers
asciilifeform: binary-types rocks.
asciilifeform: i learned of it from naggum.
asciilifeform: it is interesting because it illustrates the CORRECT way to do 'formats'
asciilifeform: i.e. to specify the relationship between the bits and the logical meanings thereof.
asciilifeform: ada has similar mechanism also.
asciilifeform: after learning this, orcish code where SEPARATE 'eaters' and 'shitters' for binary turdolade are seen, turns the stomach.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes gives a marvelous example of binary-types usage in subj link.
mircea_popescu: this guy is pissing me off.
asciilifeform: who the hell is ratcliff anyway
asciilifeform: snore of an article. ~everything in there is easier found in the code.
asciilifeform: who, i wonder, is the intended reader of this.
mircea_popescu: no but his considerations on the subject of time!
mircea_popescu: his oppinion
mircea_popescu: motherfucker...
asciilifeform: where's that
mircea_popescu: grep for "government work"
asciilifeform: 'I do not know why Satoshi did not decide to include a transaction time stamp. It's only 4 bytes, and it is a valuable piece of information that people really need access to. For now, all you can do is use the timestamp of the block and hope that's close enough for government work. And by government work, I mean close enough for tax and accounting purposes. Since the value of bitcoin is very volatile and can go up and down by mas
asciilifeform: sive amounts over a short period of time, clearly this coarse and inaccurate timing value is woefully inadequate.' << ?
mircea_popescu: few paragraphs around there yes
asciilifeform: i dun get it. what would be the use of a tx timestamp
mircea_popescu: anyway. all these variable length integers are a fucking eyesore.
asciilifeform: they certainly have 0 justification in bitcoin
asciilifeform: srsly, to reduce space taken up by 32-bit nulls
asciilifeform: is all they really do there.
mircea_popescu: make a pile of fixed output hashes, construct a variable length format to hold it all
mircea_popescu: what fucking school of retards is this.
asciilifeform: it isn't pgp where you might have a 16384-bit key or a 1024 etc.
mircea_popescu: and moreover, if you DO variable length, then do proper fucking variable length. everywhere.
asciilifeform: even THERE ordinary run-length compressor would solve same problem
asciilifeform: without cluttering up the bottom logic layer.
asciilifeform: think about it.
mircea_popescu: no, i know./
asciilifeform: why do folks force compression into bignumatron ?
asciilifeform: quite the mystery to asciilifeform .
mircea_popescu: because they were raised by a single woman married to a single man in a house with a single room, one chair and one teacup.
asciilifeform: eh plenty of functional folk grew up in single-hut, single-cow etc. pre-ww2 ru etc.
mircea_popescu: yes ; but the ones that didn't turn out functional didn't because of it ; the ones that did, they did in spite of it.
mircea_popescu: "plenty of smart people on ivy league campuses" "sure, and plenty of happy jews in auschwitz."
asciilifeform: auschwitz had > notable graduates as harvard, in the period it existed.
asciilifeform: jack tramiel, for instance.
mircea_popescu: so i hear.
asciilifeform: you can tell something interesting about modern usa that it fellates steve jobs but not jack tramiel.
mircea_popescu: wasn't on tv.
asciilifeform: tramiel is sorta like that cartoon co. manager mircea_popescu described in old article
asciilifeform: what was his name...
asciilifeform: the 'not sexy but works' fella
asciilifeform: $s tramiel
asciilifeform: ^ looks like we had thread.
asciilifeform: to revisit this wonderful digression, i've long suspected that the notion that 'great conditions' are great for output, and 'harsh gulag' - not, is not exactly true.
asciilifeform: consider the sharashka folk, etc.
mircea_popescu: what are you talking about. it is exactly false.
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
mircea_popescu: worst thing you can do for kids is make it easy for them
asciilifeform: vs modern american engineer who gets 28 flavours of ice cream in company cafe.
mircea_popescu: holy shit apparently this guy's cca 2014 windoze prb stores blockchain in 128mb files, 100+ of them by that point ?
asciilifeform: after the leveldb thing aha.
mircea_popescu: iirc windows doesn't handle more than 64k files per directory ? neh ?
asciilifeform: 575 of these by now.
mircea_popescu: !~calc 2*16 * 128 * 2*20
asciilifeform: ( i still have one of these things going in the dungeon )
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 2*16 * 128 * 2*20 = 163840
mircea_popescu: !~calc 2**16 * 128 * 2**20
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 2**16 * 128 * 2**20 = 8796093022208
mircea_popescu: so hard limit at 8tb ?
asciilifeform: seems like.
mircea_popescu: but this is ... insane ?
asciilifeform: sanity on winblows is precious as rubies.
asciilifeform: ain't much of it to be had.
mod6: more, i'd say.
mircea_popescu: rubies aren't that rare.
mod6: ya
mircea_popescu: a good fuck is ~= equivalent.
mircea_popescu: "Binary-types is *not* helpful in reading files with variable bit-length code-words, such as most compressed file formats. It will basically only work with file-formats based on 8-bit bytes (octets). Also, at this time no floating-point types are supported out of the box. The ieee-floats library might be useful."
asciilifeform as a small kid thought that laser ~demanded~ ruby, and that this was the reason why there were not lasers everywhere in orc household
mircea_popescu: we were just wondering why, right ? well, here's a coincidental why : this way, it dun work natively with lisp
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not especially hard to bolt on variable fields.
asciilifeform: ( perhaps next lunchtime project for ben_vulpes )
mircea_popescu: i'm an anthropologist! i look for these things!
asciilifeform: the seeker - will find. aha.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ingress and egress, if you wish. though they refer to entrance and exit by willing agents under their own power.
asciilifeform bbl, meat
pete_dushenski: shinohai, phf, ben_vulpes would one of you gents be do kind as to pass along a signed copy of the wp-mp pkg ?
pete_dushenski: so kind*
pete_dushenski: "A U.S. government safety agency on Friday urged all consumers to stop using Samsung Galaxy Note 7 phones, which are prone to catch fire, and top airlines globally banned their use during flights.
pete_dushenski: " << safety first kids
pete_dushenski: usg.aapl badly needs the negative press for its primary opponent as iphone 7 plus is set to launch with ~no useful upgrades other than double-lensed camera.
pete_dushenski: how convenient.
pete_dushenski: "Pence and his wife, Karen, reported adjusted gross income over the 10 years ranging from about $113,000 last year to over $187,000 in 2009, while the effective state and federal tax rate ranged from a low of just over 10 percent in 2013 to a high of 16.5 percent in 2014, the figures show." << in other news, this is not a bad tax rate for a us middle classman from indiana, really. vp pence is either a
pete_dushenski: donation machine or a write-off machine.
pete_dushenski: for comparison, "Clinton's running mate, U.S. Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia, along with his wife, Anne Holton, released 10 years of tax returns at the same time in August. They paid a federal effective tax rate of 20.3 percent on income of about $313,000 in 2015."
pete_dushenski: << speaking of problems chez one infinite loop drive, "Apple changed the focus of the project, shifting from an emphasis on designing and producing an automobile to building out the underlying technology for an autonomous vehicle."
pete_dushenski: if this isn't pure carcoin 2.0 except with "underlying autonomous technology" instead of altcoin 2.0 "underlying blockchain technology", i don't know what is. top kek.
pete_dushenski: "we realised that we have no business in bitcoin/auto industry so we've elected to take the easier road of pretending that our deep reserves of offshore cash can be used for anything other than mattress stuffing. if you don't mind, we're just going to plug our ears now LALALALALALA"
phf: there was some old obscure reason why we ditched openbsd. i think it was driver support on that backup gardget
phf: err netbsd
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