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(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-07#1110799 << asciilifeform walked around for many yrs looking at heathen (nominally) 'p2p' items, errywhere found some moxyesque absurdities/atrocities (e.g. acceptance of heavy memory/cpu load from strangers ; sslism; bernsteinism; and, more often than not, sham-'p2p' where some nodes
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-23 13:17:07 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-23#1087292 << in case yer unaware, bernstein turned yrs ago
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: in which capacity it continues to perform a++ (w/ e.g. bernstein's shilling) despite the continued nonexistence of the 'philosopher's stone', err, qc, per se.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-20 10:42:32 asciilifeform: for brief time d. bernstein was a kind of exception -- but swamp quickly swallowed him, and for many yrs now he has not been distinguishable from other swamp creatures.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-23 08:05:27 mangol: crtdaydreams: glad you're enjoying it! Gernot Heiser is to kernels as Dan Bernstein is to security. down to earth, low BS tolerance, always paying attention to performance and reliability in real applications
(asciilifeform) mangol: crtdaydreams: glad you're enjoying it! Gernot Heiser is to kernels as Dan Bernstein is to security. down to earth, low BS tolerance, always paying attention to performance and reliability in real applications
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: for brief time d. bernstein was a kind of exception -- but swamp quickly swallowed him, and for many yrs now he has not been distinguishable from other swamp creatures.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: (trilema) 2018-07-13 asciilifeform: funnily related story, back when asciilifeform was a uni student, cellpnojeism was beginning to spread among plebelands, and asciilifeform noticed that folx were paying telco fiddycents/minute to talk over 1-2km ! so asciilifeform went, like naive idjit, to engineering profs, with 'p2p telephony' proposal thing, reaction was the exact sort of through-the-teeth laughter of today's bernstein re phuctor .
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(alethepedia) lekythion: Bernstein v. United States
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947549 << asciilifeform is partial to serpent , but strictly because actually had a chance to do some analysis of it ; and dislikes sha for the obv. reason, and chacha ditto for the reason of originating from post-brainrot bernstein. but theoretically all of these snake oils are equally snake oils, and difficult to argue against the standard 'drink t
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2018-07-13 18:52 asciilifeform: funnily related story, back when asciilifeform was a uni student, cellpnojeism was beginning to spread among plebelands, and asciilifeform noticed that folx were paying telco fiddycents/minute to talk over 1-2km ! so asciilifeform went, like naive idjit, to engineering profs, with 'p2p telephony' proposal thing, reaction was the exact sort of through-the-teeth laughter of today's bernstein re phuctor .
(trilema) asciilifeform expected to find that linked item is re ~mass~ gcd, in the sense of 'bernsteinization' used in phuctor. but apparently djb has nothing to add re ~that~
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( in selected cases, e.g. where bernstein prefers to smoke crack rather than showing up , can discern. but their song is sung , not much to add to'em )
(trilema) asciilifeform: at some point i'ma do the bernsteinizer in straight asm. ( but this is ~9000th on the list of things-to-do atm )
(trilema) asciilifeform: the 'uncut' gmp is not afaik used anywhere in our mechanisms, with the exception of phuctor, where a (patched) variant is used for bernsteinization
(trilema) asciilifeform: phunphakt : bernstein (aka djb) pushes urandomism. actively.
(trilema) asciilifeform: i dun remember any such thing, never thought to do it with bernstein et al
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( i.e. why bernstein not replied ? only odin knows )
(trilema) asciilifeform: in other lulz, the 'bernstein as nsa stooge' concept slowly percolates from the republic, https://sporaw.livejournal.com/538323.html
(trilema) asciilifeform: thing is, any idjit (turns out ) can bernsteinize
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta hilarious, imho, took usg 5 whole yrs to finally implement bernstein ( supposing thing even worx, i haven't found the giving shit to actually try it )
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 18:21 mircea_popescu: in front of this, whether we idly decide that he's just dumb or actually evil, ie, his brain dun work like in the case of say bernstein ; or his brain doth work, but he deliberately attempts to shannonize republican words into imperial outcomes, a la curtis yarvin, jwz, whatever.... well what fucking difference does it make.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2018-08-12 18:30 asciilifeform: i had this knob on the implementation conveyor regardless, because of a certain peculiarity of bernstein's algo which i noticed, where if there is an even multiple of any given factor present in the whole, it will not get found
(trilema) asciilifeform: i had this knob on the implementation conveyor regardless, because of a certain peculiarity of bernstein's algo which i noticed, where if there is an even multiple of any given factor present in the whole, it will not get found
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 17:02 asciilifeform: as for 'uwb', they were content to issue ban edicts, and then for good measure to bernsteinize all of the remaining 'experts' they could get to.
(trilema) asciilifeform: as for 'uwb', they were content to issue ban edicts, and then for good measure to bernsteinize all of the remaining 'experts' they could get to.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 17:15 mircea_popescu: but anyway, back to the upstream : https://archive.is/9zD8D#selection-9.3336-9.4865 the whole thing is rather damaging of bernstein's own standing and credibility. he engages in this sort of behaviours, he isn't much of a man, and certainly the sordid tale of his misbehaviour disabused me of any intention of rating him on the basis of his work.
(trilema) asciilifeform: funnily related story, back when asciilifeform was a uni student, cellpnojeism was beginning to spread among plebelands, and asciilifeform noticed that folx were paying telco fiddycents/minute to talk over 1-2km ! so asciilifeform went, like naive idjit, to engineering profs, with 'p2p telephony' proposal thing, reaction was the exact sort of through-the-teeth laughter of today's bernstein re phuctor .
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( these, as alert reader prolly realizes, signal immediately, they do not require bernsteinization to find )
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( keys with dupe mods get processed correctly, they are addressable as distinct keys but mods are references to a mods table, and dupes get marked as dupes. bernsteintron works on deduped mods table. )
(trilema) asciilifeform: bernsteinization dunwork if you dun dedupe.
(trilema) asciilifeform: meanwhile, in a galaxy far away, 'where did bernstein go?' 'to write crappy stego apps' >> http://elligator.cr.yp.to ( https://archive.li/KwRAu )
(trilema) asciilifeform: ^ from 2018 ! ( asciilifeform very recently fixed the corner case in bernstein which permitted this kind of thing )
(trilema) spyked: (ftr, /me has read some of dood's work, he seems well-regarded by ro math/logic ppl; unfortunately too ensconced in grantola, sorta the bernstein type I guess)
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( the way bernsteinism works, a given run does not reduce the work of subsequent run in any way )
(trilema) mircea_popescu: and if they ever did, a la bernstein, it does eventually get washed out.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 18:21 mircea_popescu: in front of this, whether we idly decide that he's just dumb or actually evil, ie, his brain dun work like in the case of say bernstein ; or his brain doth work, but he deliberately attempts to shannonize republican words into imperial outcomes, a la curtis yarvin, jwz, whatever.... well what fucking difference does it make.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 18:21 mircea_popescu: in front of this, whether we idly decide that he's just dumb or actually evil, ie, his brain dun work like in the case of say bernstein ; or his brain doth work, but he deliberately attempts to shannonize republican words into imperial outcomes, a la curtis yarvin, jwz, whatever.... well what fucking difference does it make.
(trilema) asciilifeform: + entirely separate c proggy that actually does the bernsteinization.
(trilema) asciilifeform: iirc i originally introduced phuctor as 'catalogue of rsa keys which are inexpensively breakable'. for said formulation it does not matter precisely ~how~, if tomorrow i conceive of a wholly novel inexpensive break, i will apply it to phuctor with the others ( as i applied classical methods, gcd, bernsteinistic gcd, fermat, ( in the worx...) lenstra , etc . )
(trilema) mircea_popescu: in front of this, whether we idly decide that he's just dumb or actually evil, ie, his brain dun work like in the case of say bernstein ; or his brain doth work, but he deliberately attempts to shannonize republican words into imperial outcomes, a la curtis yarvin, jwz, whatever.... well what fucking difference does it make.
(trilema) asciilifeform: and find better bernsteins lol
(trilema) asciilifeform: this sounds great until it is time to 'unfind' a factor, as in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805504 or the prev case where the thing turned up a corner case in bernstein and found 300+ or wat was it spurious factors
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 18:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: blake2 is bernstein's hash ( consists of a slightly modified chacha, his symmetric algo )
(trilema) asciilifeform: i've no particular objection to snake oil from king cobra vs from japanese viper; but as i observed earlier, the sudden popularity of bernsteinism has never been explained to my satisfaction.
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: blake2 is bernstein's hash ( consists of a slightly modified chacha, his symmetric algo )
(trilema) asciilifeform: how did you settle on the use of bernsteinian cryptoprimitives ( e.g. chacha ) ?
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796064 << naturally fast -- uses post-betrayal bernsteinian cryptosnakeoil, instead of old-fashioned nsa-inhouse snakeoil
(trilema) mircea_popescu: speaking of which, recently /me introduced briefly phuctor to whitebeard, mentioned bernstein smooth integers speedup, got very confused headshake and an invitation to point to where did this wonder happen ?! in s. n. bernstein book. "not that one, a newer one, american" "oh."
(trilema) mircea_popescu: but what it's truly interesting for, is just how disingenuous bernstein's "destruction" is. instead of a curt, and correct, "go study OTP and when you understand that, move up to lubby", he picks the wrong end of the mechanism to improperly reduce to a strawman. this is the risk of arguing with idiots -- if you're a normal person your social adjustment circuitry might entice you to make idiotic arguments in response and then
(trilema) mircea_popescu: o look, a claim bernstein actually invented lzw
(trilema) mircea_popescu: bernstein smooth parts of integers empowered sieve popped a factor ?
(trilema) mircea_popescu: actually it's possible bernstein had a variant too.
(trilema) asciilifeform: hell, bernstein et al ~with~ theorems still went to ~same place.
(trilema) asciilifeform: i thought bernstein were a bloke
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 14:00 mircea_popescu: cultivated enough to mention bernstein&gf curve, uncomprehending enough to "post quantum algorithms". how do these happen, i wish to know.
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739455 << not so surprising, considering that bernstein himself is a quantumist
(trilema) mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, bernstein's curve implementation is ALSO free of branching on secret bits, have you seen that thing ?
(trilema) mircea_popescu: cultivated enough to mention bernstein&gf curve, uncomprehending enough to "post quantum algorithms". how do these happen, i wish to know.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, to put things in readily meaningful perspective : you going "oh shit, we can use this bit i dug up out of bernstein to improve phuctor speed" is 100% what a PRIME example of such "sourced tech" would have been. that the soviets'd have paid for and the whole project involved would be decorated and congratulated after taking however long, 18 months to do it.
(trilema) asciilifeform: apeloyee: did you read same bernstein as was linked ? pretty clearly pins 'constructed primes'
(trilema) asciilifeform: in other lullies, bernstein exposes the item the original 'authors' sat on in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-17#1725945 >>> https://blog.cr.yp.to/20171105-infineon.html
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-10-14 18:39 apeloyee: besides, "bernsteinan karatsuba" requres carry-save arithmetic, otherwise it likely wins nothing. so not separate from comba rewrite.
(trilema) apeloyee: besides, "bernsteinan karatsuba" requres carry-save arithmetic, otherwise it likely wins nothing. so not separate from comba rewrite.
(trilema) apeloyee: can has link describing " bernsteinian karatsuba"?
(trilema) asciilifeform: i still think that it makes sense to do this only after every other bolt is as tight as physically possible -- bernsteinian karatsuba, unrolled comba, etc
(trilema) asciilifeform: phf: the bernsteinian 'werker' is also c proggy. ( phuctor , in all 4 versions to date, consisted of 2 pieces, running wholly separately )
(trilema) phf: yeah, i think that c version predates bernstein
(trilema) asciilifeform: phf: i dun think i ever posted the modern ( bernsteinian ) one.
(trilema) apeloyee: bernstein's batch trial division would seem to straightforwardly ffaize. where's the problem?
(trilema) asciilifeform: but hypothetically it may even be possible to ffaize bernstein's tree. or even to do it in such a way that doesn't wipe out the cpu winning from it. and even possibly to prove that it works and doesn't leak bits and doesn't let composites through once in a while.
(trilema) asciilifeform: i used bernstein's tree in phuctor, where it made actual sense
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-10-07 21:28 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721485 << i thought bernstein's "how to find smooth parts of integers" suggests a remainder tree, not gcd?
(trilema) apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722400 << hey, I offered you an idea for GCD. you: "it stinks". I point you to bernstein ( https://facthacks.cr.yp.to/batchtrial.html ). you: "it stinks". maybe GCD is not a sane option ofter all, eh?
(trilema) asciilifeform: and then bernsteinian karatsuba, possibly, and whatever else i can think of.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-10-07 21:28 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721485 << i thought bernstein's "how to find smooth parts of integers" suggests a remainder tree, not gcd?
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722400 << bernstein's gcd method is neither here nor there, i certainly don't need anything of the kind in ffa, and quite likely it fundamentally does not ffaize
(trilema) apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721485 << i thought bernstein's "how to find smooth parts of integers" suggests a remainder tree, not gcd?
(trilema) asciilifeform: incidentally ~95% of the work ffa does in modexp, now, is multiplication. which means that there is further 20-25% speedup waiting to be had when i get bernsteinian optimization for karatsuba ( haven't yet figured it out, he buried it deep in a paper , as if he were an alchemist, quite cryptically ) and another 10-20% optimization if we move to unrolled comba ( see august thread. )
(trilema) asciilifeform: he's an older, smaller-calibre bernstein
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( bernsteintronic phuctorator dun care how many, nor ever uses the individual factors per se for anything )
(trilema) mircea_popescu: Guido Bertoni, Joan Daemen, Michaël Peeters, Gilles Van Assche and Ronny Van Keer << might as well dump the list of bernsteins that'll have to explain themselves.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: (this is a significant problem. consider a model : there's what, ten-twenty millions of bernsteins, kanzure , fyr and what have you on one hand ; and only a hundred or so of us. even if we were to work a full 200 hour's week, if on average one needs 1k man-hours of constant whipping to redress into humanity, we encounter the following birthday paradox : either the whipping is undirected, in which case every tard gets 15 minut
(trilema) asciilifeform: he ain't named bernstein by any chance??
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( the comp sci papers that actually mattered, plus a handful of 1990s bernsteins, are already on my hdd... )
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-08-17 20:30 asciilifeform: but in very other olds, apparently in an obscure article in '09 bernstein shows how to eliminate one of the middle-term additions of karatsuba .
(trilema) asciilifeform: massive pile of moving parts, aes, various post-conversion bernsteinisms, null ciphers, 'this is faster on 32-bit cpu so we're using it', let's-give-enemy-raw-bytes-from-prng, and other jokes.
(trilema) asciilifeform: but in very other olds, apparently in an obscure article in '09 bernstein shows how to eliminate one of the middle-term additions of karatsuba .
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-07-01 23:52 asciilifeform: and nao bernstein, henninger ( this is what, 3rd paper since she was attached to him ) 'unhappened and rehappened' it
(trilema) asciilifeform: and nao bernstein, henninger ( this is what, 3rd paper since she was attached to him ) 'unhappened and rehappened' it
(trilema) mircea_popescu is sick of "famous people" like of crab apples. let them sit in some other latrine with their "oh i lost my pgp key 20 years ago" zimmerman and their "i dedicate my life to raising impudent street urchins as if they were white people" bernstein and their "oh hi, rng ?" koch and their "o btw, i lied about that laptop" rms everything else.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: (as an aside, i don't expect any of these fucktards, gilmore, bernstein, whatever, even remotely give enough of a shit about anything not tittlating their anal orifices, BUT! it'd help me fucking immensely if they actually were in, because of sybil considerations. but they dun wanna, becausew why should the world not stink.)
(trilema) asciilifeform: phf: also at a certain point 'they don't know about tmsr' evaporates and turns into 'they studiously ignore, like bernstein'
(trilema) asciilifeform: bernstein, who would not even ANSWER message re phuctor
(trilema) asciilifeform: possibly the only example of something that comes close, that i know of , is bernstein's gcd
(trilema) mircea_popescu: lazy is not in any sense precluded by smart. just look at bernstein.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: noobs learning from anything, be it a thief, be it their mother, be it hillary clinton, be it bernstein, be it ANYONE is very harmful to them.
(trilema) asciilifeform: Framedragger: i wrote to, e.g., bernstein, more than once.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: had mp not happened to make a comment and alf to insist and mp to read this bullshit, mp'd have never known what miserable immoral acts bernstein engages in regularly. and nobody'd have told him.
(trilema) asciilifeform: not the lispm folx, not bernstein, whoever.
(trilema) asciilifeform: fwiw i wrote to him after i deployed phuctor-cum-bernsteintron. 0 answer.
(trilema) asciilifeform: or how about bernstein vs. unitedstates.
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bernstein ?! has multi-MB www of unique and valuable work
(trilema) mircea_popescu: but anyway, back to the upstream : https://archive.is/9zD8D#selection-9.3336-9.4865 the whole thing is rather damaging of bernstein's own standing and credibility. he engages in this sort of behaviours, he isn't much of a man, and certainly the sordid tale of his misbehaviour disabused me of any intention of rating him on the basis of his work.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: also why the fuck won't bernstein SIGN random text snippers.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-03-27 16:48 asciilifeform: meanwhile, daniel bernstein ( of the smooth-parts-of-integers algo used in phuctor, and 1,001 other useful mathematical works ) is headed for gasenwagen: https://eindhoven.cr.yp.to/false-statements-by-henry-de-valence.txt
(trilema) asciilifeform: meanwhile, daniel bernstein ( of the smooth-parts-of-integers algo used in phuctor, and 1,001 other useful mathematical works ) is headed for gasenwagen: https://eindhoven.cr.yp.to/false-statements-by-henry-de-valence.txt
(trilema) asciilifeform: 'Remember that most of these """journalists""" grew up either during Watergate or in its shadow, and so it's hardly surprising that they see the role of the press as some kind of unelected fourth branch of government whose job is to "take down" the President, if all else fails. Bernstein and Woodward are their gods.'
(trilema) asciilifeform: relatedly vintage bernstein, http://archive.is/xZZmb >> ''Some people argued that randomness generation should be centralized--- whether in the OS or hypervisor or CPU---and fixed at that central location if it doesn't work properly. Other people argued that each library and application should defend itself against failures of the centralized mechanism. There actually seem to be three positions...''
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite obviously i do not know bernstein as a human, but can only conjecture, that he felt like a proper rube , ripe for fleecing in orc land.
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594814 << bernstein's algo does not use a running global product. see his 'finding the smooth parts of integers'.
(trilema) asciilifeform: so it is special case, it is marked by bernstein but must stay green until another factor is found.
(trilema) asciilifeform: it does not. but by bernstein's algo -- does.
(trilema) asciilifeform: worst case is that we (or somebody ELSE) found an undocumented boojum concerning bernstein's algo.
(trilema) asciilifeform: so for next couple of hours, until the second half of this bernsteinization, there will be 100s of mods marked 'phuctored' for whom the only marked factor -- is themselves. which is Wrong
(trilema) mircea_popescu: so : if loading the whole batches of keys through the user-wwwform process is what 99% of the machine time goes to, then yes, put the batches into a single, sorted query, make the workmem should be 256mb or 2gb or w/e it is you actually need to cover your query (yes this can be calculated, but can also be guessed from a few tries) and then run bernstein after every such query, on the db not on "nursery" (which yes, it's a ter
(trilema) asciilifeform: (and bernsteinization requires access to ~all~ moduli, as i think is obvious, and not simply 'most recent ones')
(trilema) asciilifeform: understand, the only reason why the thing works at all, is that this one small part of it, the bernsteinization, can be made ~entirely~ independent from the db locking idiocy
(trilema) asciilifeform: and not the bernsteining.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: yes but it has this convenient hole through which you can go in, which is - implement bernstein IN sql.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: you're not addressing the idea. currently you use a pile of c code you labeled for purely personal reasons "a db" to store some data for you, and another pile, you labeled phuctor, to bernstein and do other things on the db-stored data. because the interface is the bottleneck, it then becomes clear you must merge this. one way is to merge by lifting the db code and putting it into phuctor, making it you know, its own db like
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-30#1593516 << recall, i wrote to bernstein himself.
(trilema) asciilifeform: phf: bernstein's algo operates on ~all known moduli simultaneously~
(trilema) mircea_popescu: you implement bernstein IN the db. it is actually a programming language.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: trinque 's idea, bernstein as prepared queries, may be a gain.
(trilema) asciilifeform: phf: nope. the only thing that happens to db as a result of bernsteinization is N queries 'do we already know this factor'
(trilema) asciilifeform: trinque: i need random-access in O(1) to them for bernsteining
(trilema) asciilifeform: oh and then, factors are found, largely the same set every time (how bernsteinization works) and each one is queried to the db
(trilema) asciilifeform: also did i mention that the entire db get shat out every time we bernstein ?
(trilema) asciilifeform: the one obvious optimization i was considering was to avoid all dupe checks on key submit and simply deduplicate prior to each bernsteining. but this has serious cost in ui consistency, no more could submitters expect to see a result that is guaranteed to make sense after they submit.
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, when i wrote to bernstein, there was 0 answer.
(trilema) asciilifeform: in other non-news, https://mjos.fi << possibly interesting d00d of the dan bernstein type
(trilema) mircea_popescu: s/8ball/bernstein/
(trilema) asciilifeform: nope, that's not how bernstein's algo worx
(trilema) asciilifeform: in other definitely not-news, https://archive.is/Cbzko << lulzy vintage dan bernstein.
(trilema) asciilifeform: i'll say that this is the first not-wholly-plagiarized paper on subj since bernstein's.
(trilema) asciilifeform: iirc bernstein's 'salsa' thing works on this method.
(trilema) asciilifeform: bernstein's also is, what was once called 'embarrassingly parallel'
(trilema) asciilifeform: jurov: understand, there has to be a db, because ALL mods get bernsteined against ALL mods AND the 8ball.
(trilema) asciilifeform: the remainder-tree (see bernstein's paper)
(trilema) asciilifeform: and when it is, we'll simply bernstein in 2 processed, one just with 8ball.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about we add a credits page, move bernstein there, also add phf for keybase spidering, jurov for github spidering, others as may be ? also theory prolly should be rewritten
(trilema) asciilifeform: iirc she is bernstein's coauthor in pretty much everything, also.
(trilema) asciilifeform: eh henninger's proggy from that site (straight implementation of bernstein) works.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: apparently http://cado-nfs.gforge.inria.fr/ is what bernstein uses. except "Required software tools [...] GNU make and CMake (2.6.3 or later) for building (CMake is installed on the fly if missing. This feature requires an Internet connection.)" and then Connecting to cmake.org|66.194.253.19|:443... connected. ERROR: certificate common name `*.kitware.com' doesn't match requested host name `cmake.org'.
(trilema) asciilifeform: what the hell happened to the last time folks collected ssh pubkeys and bernsteined'em
(trilema) mircea_popescu: egorsmkv in fairness most merit goes to bernstein, with his work we do in 20 minutes what used to take ~10 years on the first estimation.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/theory << when you do that massaging, also perhaps add bernstein to theory page
(trilema) asciilifeform: and i think it's herr doktor bernstein
(trilema) asciilifeform: because bernsteinatronic.
(trilema) asciilifeform: in other nyooz, i am readying the bernsteinatronic phuctorer for blastoff.
(trilema) asciilifeform: see mega-p4p3r 'How to find smooth parts of integers' (Bernstein) .
(trilema) asciilifeform: ^ bernstein's replacement for sendmail.
(trilema) asciilifeform: (bernstein's method)
(trilema) asciilifeform: sbp: and ftr i'm fond of bernstein but not of ecc.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: "<mircea_popescu> at any rate : it is immensely more difficult to actually make a physical proof than the scheme detailed by bernstein immediately makes apparent."
(trilema) mircea_popescu: at any rate : it is immensely more difficult to actually make a physical proof than the scheme detailed by bernstein immediately makes apparent.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: check it out alf, bernstein saved us some work!
(trilema) mircea_popescu: actually, the piece is by bernstein, and the abstract entirely vindicates me.
(trilema) asciilifeform: 'A number of IETF standards groups are currently in the process of applying the second-system effect to redesigning their crypto protocols. A major feature of these changes includes the dropping of traditional encryption algorithms and mechanisms like RSA, DH, ECDH/ECDSA, SHA-2, and AES, for a completely different set of mechanisms, including Curve25519 (designed by Dan Bernstein et al), EdDSA (Bernstein and colleagues), Poly
(trilema) asciilifeform: 1305 (Bernstein again) and ChaCha20 (by, you guessed it, Bernstein).'
(trilema) asciilifeform: now who wants to try bernstein!
(trilema) asciilifeform: though it won't surprise me if bernstein dies of mystery 'accident'
(trilema) mircea_popescu: wait, bernstein died ?!
(trilema) asciilifeform: but somebody ought write to bernstein.
(trilema) ascii_butugychag: punkman: the one with bernstein's proposed enhancements - possibly.
(trilema) ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396374 << sorta what bernstein tried to do. fits-in-head ciphers.
(trilema) ascii_butugychag: i like bernstein but the adoption of his blockciphers by the enemy casts darkness on them.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: djb = bernstein ?
(trilema) ascii_field: 'Dan Bernstein speaks of interesting crypto and boring crypto. Interesting crypto is crypto that supports plenty of academic papers. Boring crypto is crypto that simply works, solidly resists attacks, [and] never needs any upgrades." Dan asks, in his typically flippant way, 'What will happen if the crypto users convince some crypto researchers to actually create boring crypto? No more
(trilema) mats: Daniel J Bernstein
(trilema) decimation: they are trying the same argument as bernstein
(trilema) Hasimir: BingoBoingo, that was Bernstein's argument
(trilema) assbot: Carl Bernstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOesBX )
(trilema) asciilifeform: he's talking about carl bernstein
(trilema) mircea_popescu: on the other hand, Daniel J. Bernstein is merely going by ec2, which is based on cm field discriminants / laders and indistinguishability
(trilema) assbot: Daniel J Bernstein Speaks on Keeping Crypto Insecure | Qntra.net
(trilema) assbot: Daniel J Bernstein Speaks on Keeping Crypto Insecure | Qntra.net
(trilema) decimation: Jake Bernstein: That’s everything he says on the topic in this meeting."
(trilema) mircea_popescu: Members across three generations: P.L. Chebyshev, A.A. Markov, A.M. Lyapunov, S.N. Bernshtein (ie. Bernstein), E.E. Slutskii, N.V. Smirnov, L.N. Bol'shev, V.I. Romanovskii, A.N. Kolmogorov,Yu.V. Linnik, and the new generation: V Petrov, S.V. Nagaev, A.V. Nagaev, A. Shyrayev, etc.
(trilema) Neil: The problem is most coders don't know the language they're writing, nor do they care. Hence the crap we deal with. We need more Dan Bernsteins and Matt Dillons.
(trilema) asciilifeform: unrelated: neat find, from today's trip to library, for all crypto aficionados: 'Post-Quantum Cryptography.' Bernstein, Buchmann & Dahmen. (2009)
(trilema) ozbot: OpenBSD Moving Towards Signed Packages — Based On D. J. Bernstein Crypto - Slashdot