mircea_popescu: do you understand this ? about a third of my mail EACH DAY is various people in various jurisdictions telling me "mr popescu how do we proceed in the following situation : X. A does so and so B does so and so [C, D , E]"
mircea_popescu: the notion that you're going to run a business, but not have counsel, not have tax and accounting support, not have etc etc is like you'll cook a meal for a wedding without stove or pots or pans.
mircea_popescu: you know you can generally get a basic package kinda similar to insurance.
trinque: wtf is a business if you can't pay a few grand to a lawyer per month?
mircea_popescu: it's workable for most entry level needs. gotta shop around a little.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you have to appreciate : in nature, there exists such a thing as a hole.
mircea_popescu: if you ever drove clutch you gotta understand this. you can not run car at ALL speeds and combos.
mircea_popescu: there exists a hole in this "single derpy consultant business".
mircea_popescu: there is nothing wrong with this - people do it all the time. venice was entirely built out of the fact that a boat took on average 3.5 merchants
trinque: sorry, *there is a minimum expense involved in running a business and you can't get around that fact.
trinque: and it is not margin above industry salary of one dude
mircea_popescu: hey, plenty of people get degrees in history of feminist theatre.
mircea_popescu: and re the fine print... there's a lot of suckers and retail in there. last i went to the states, i got full insurance, from lloyds of london no less. for, if memory serves, #159.
BingoBoingo was actually considering opening fiat business as a hedge next year. You just gotta look at businesses with lower minimum costs.
mircea_popescu: yes, it was a nicety thrown in because shipping insurance deals. whatevs.
mircea_popescu: locals fell over when saw. even at the time, my thing beat their 7k/year thing.
mircea_popescu: and by trims i mean a list. civil judgements for accidents, including hunting! included.
mircea_popescu: if i tripped, fell, and set boston on fire it'd have probably paid.
mats: i struggle to determine ethnic origins through facial features in p much all not-asian races
trinque: boston likes to drink; it could happen
BingoBoingo: If you want to start a fiat business your first expense isn't insurance it is a lawnmower.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can actually insure against the tax thing, yes. you just have to have a large enough operation.
mircea_popescu: one of the lulziest dispute, birds went into plant air intake.
mircea_popescu: insurance didn't want to pay, wtf it's not meteoric. "hey they came from the sky"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: considering mowing, gardening, and peripheral pest control.
mircea_popescu: anyway. asteroid one of the more beloved risks by insurers. rather rare, pretty decent auctuarial tables...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Pest control at the home's periphery. Barrier treatment's etc. Pesticide applicator's license seens to have very low barrier to entry.
mircea_popescu: at any rate : no actuarial tables re that, you understand.
BingoBoingo: Keeps Enclave from having to worry about Lloyd's paying out to the Great Khans
trinque: +asciilifeform │ you did not make anything, really, and you relied on a supply chain that is quite likely unstable, esp. if you become 'interesting' << this is the wrong strategy.
trinque: become interesting, then attract allies that can help you get the rest of the supply chain you need!
mircea_popescu: oh incidentally, anyone read the next generation thing ?
mircea_popescu: i laid down to sleep and instead had this vision of you know, dreamers fucking around on reddit while suspended in vats,
mircea_popescu: while dudes with socket wrenches roam around the abandoned physical world looking for the better fucktoys in the goop.
mircea_popescu: if anyone feels like writing into/towards it we could have like one of those sf things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah it's a kinda usable/powerful metaphor to work on i thought
trinque: certainly an immediate - and bleak - visual for the infantile urge to return to the womb
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah. and very defensible, too. in principle you could readily sit in there and design robots to protect you even today.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he clearly didn't like physics in school.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 00:49 asciilifeform: once the gangrene sets in, you either freeze your toolchain or give up work.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 01:05 phf: who's going to do the burning
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 01:28 phf: i.e. my cmucl runs on a clearly compromised intel cpu and can even do interesting things. imagine future(tm) where only way to run cmucl is by crosscompiling into x86 emulator inside your web browser ;]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't credit his "man needs the herd" nonsense worth halfpence.
trinque: if this were true how could it ever change
mircea_popescu: so blair would like an audience. fine. good. i didn't wet my bed as a child.
mircea_popescu: he is discussing and i quote " Philosophers, writers, artists, even scientists"
trinque: I ended up writing CL because I got drunk at ben_vulpes' shop one night; knew of it but hadn't bothered with it yet.
trinque: in what I'd say is a rather despotic society
trinque: so then some who were hacks or w/e, they dry up
trinque: and other people get pissed off and burn something
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trinque: asciilifeform: sure, and your blog is a big part of why I ended up interested enough to hang around
mircea_popescu: i also do not credit the "dictatorial education -> no diaries" argument from experience. there are NO BETTER jokes than the ro/ru/etc jokes from that time.
mircea_popescu: on the contrary, the more dictatorially insane the society, the absolutely better the private life.
mircea_popescu: and there's no great american novel ; nor a french dictionary. what of it.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 02:02 asciilifeform: (last i recall mircea_popescu gave somewhere close to 1/10th of a damn, he is to be commended for this)
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 02:14 asciilifeform: you did not make anything, really, and you relied on a supply chain that is quite likely unstable, esp. if you become 'interesting'
mircea_popescu: just like high-performance designer chemistry jumped fro mbeing a well funded uni lab only thing back in 1996 to being accessible to random spammer with a desire to sell temporarily "legal" psychoactives.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 02:23 phf: so the idea is what drop $500k on an pure documented fpga, hope that maker crowd will help you recoup your costs, use fraction to run tmsr infrastructure? :)
a111: Logged on 2016-04-21 16:33 mircea_popescu: in other news i see phuctor numbers marching steadily up, 440/562 by now ?
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 170141183460469231731687303715884105731 is NOT PRIME ! <<< check out this shit.
mircea_popescu: Bradley R. Smith <brad@cse.ucsc.edu>; Mike Kisser <mtronics@uni.de>; Mike Kisser <mtronics@gmx.net>; Mike Kisser <Mike.Kisser@T-Online.de>; Mike Kisser <mtronics_scs@geocities.com>; Robert Staszewski <monopole@aol.com>; Doc Tomoe <Doc.Tomoe@gmx.de>; Stefan Roehrich <sr@stefan.lake.de>; Sven Martinek <Sven.Martinek@gmx.net>; Sven Martinek <Sven.Martinek@tu-berlin.de>; Sven Martinek <svenmartinek@earthling.net>; Sven Martine
mircea_popescu: k <martinek@rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de>; Sven Martinek <martinek@physik.phy.tu-dresden.de>; Sven Martinek <Sven.Martinek@mailbox.tu-dresden.de>; Michael Reid <mreid@wow.net>; WOW.Net Admin <admin@wow.net>; Armin Herbert <jolo@infra.de>; Armin Herbert <herbert@informatik.uni-freiburg.de>; Martin Spill [High Security]; Walter Forderkunz <Forderkunz@swol.de>; Scheduler Service (MER_Schedule on \\MER_DECXL); George Kenney <gkenney@
mircea_popescu: laser.net>; Robert Fleming <rfleming@opsg.com>; Christopher S. McLeod <cmcleod@teal.csn.net>; Christopher S. McLeod <cmcleod@dunvegan.thornton.co.us>; Marcus Breitenstein <brstein@mvt.tu-cottbus.de>; Greg Louis <glouis@io.org>; Greg Louis <glouis@dynamicro.on.ca>; Greg Louis <glouis@consultronics.on.ca>; Greg Louis <Consultronics Ltd. (905)738-3741>; Urban Gantenberg <ugant@aol.com>; Martin Straeten <straeten@faho.rwth-aach
mircea_popescu: and yet inexplicably i'm sure this will son be was already found-ed and documented by research that nevertheless fails to exist etc.
deedbot: needsmoarlaser voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: " if the large number N is the product of two primes, p and q, and someone obtains two other numbers, p' and q' which while prime or not nevertheless multiply to the same N, are not they now able to do anything"
mircea_popescu: yes i reckon if they manage this, pulling themselves into orbit can't be far behind
mircea_popescu: "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims will be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely
mircea_popescu: to go to Heaven yet at the same time are likelier to make a Hell of earth."
shinohai: That seems to be the only way to keep it from being diddled with, having physical control of box.
punkman: maybe split off the website from the phuctoring part, keep the latter seekrit
punkman: could have various proxies, mpex-style
punkman: more important that phuctoring is uninterrupted than having 24/7 access to website
punkman: maybe even scrap the website part, publish reports once a week/month
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 23:01 phf: freedesktop strategy is to create an abstraction layer on top of base tools that makes things "simpler", and then transparently switch the base. in this case value of gtk & sdl to wreckers is that they both operate on wayland already. sdl seems somewhat sane but i wouldn't be surprised if gnome deprecates their X support at some point
phf: he forked and maintained his own mule-less emacs, wrote i believe a unicode based i18n module for it, etc.
phf: then wrote a rant how that's unsustainable for a single person on account of having essentially to work as a merge maintainer for a dozen of projects
phf: you have a changing subtrate, changing interfaces. you can hot iron parts while it's at a manageable size and localized, but at some point you start dealing with systemd type situation where the tendrils are inside either the code that you use OR inside the subtrate/interfaces part (i.e. connection to outside world)
phf: when the solution becomes to freeze
phf: but freezing effectively implies lockstep freezing of the whole environment, to hardware. ("oh we deprecated x11, your code better support wayland. oh this new video card only supports wayland, since x11 is deprecated, etc."]
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455447 << i don't believe in this futureeither, it's orwell silly. but much more realistic is something like what i described above. you buy "current hardware", you can't boot foolinux, because need bios keys, need to boot redhat. redhat supports your video card, but only in wayland, and the keyboard only works through modern-udev. both require vendor provided binary blobs. etc.
phf: do you ever sleep? :o
shinohai: Always on top of a Preet story :D
BingoBoingo: Mebbe next time you can learn to do the preet picture on your own.
shinohai: Got a template you can send me or something? I've just been writing everything in vi
deedbot: temujin voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: punkman> could have various proxies, mpex-style <<< yeah, the republic will start printing bitcoin to finance an inept war with the idiot us, because the us is caught in dreams of its war with the soviet union and its delusional relevancy therein.
mircea_popescu: phf i meant something specific : how can a "mode" be "replaced". sounds to me (prolly proof of my ignorance) like "blue colors have been deprecated in irssi". dude... what ? it's my fucking config file.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. let it be, ~nobody cares about ddos. it is expensive enough to engage in and we really don't gas.
mircea_popescu: phf i don't see how that is different from, "you buy fruit juicer, you can't play dos games on it". yes ?
mircea_popescu: appreciate, i had a computer EVEN WHEN it was ~5k DM and the going rate was half-and-half for 5. and i'm sure that at some point between then and now, some poor black kid in the sticks somewhere wanted a computer only to hear "da fuck ya want dat witey shit fo boe!" from his momma and get to play casino gems on her knockoff smartphone instead.
mircea_popescu: this notion that "every squishi wizard" must have access to the light bolt spell is lulzy, to me.
mircea_popescu: i can see why it's in the geek ethos. i can't see why i should care.
mircea_popescu: but if i were somehow persuaded to care - frankly i'm inclined to believe making computers cow-accessible was a horrible fucking idea.
mircea_popescu: wikipedia is not better for pretending every imbecile is "an editor", it's way the fuck worse. the internet did not gain from the "collected intelligence and experience of the whole world", it turned into a cesspool instead.
mircea_popescu: adding more engineers to a late project makes it later ; adding more bipedal mouthbreathers to anything makes it resemble shit closer.
phf: cows are not under consideration here
phf: i had computer access back when they were extremely expensive one of a kind devices
mircea_popescu: understand - at some point in my life, "owning a computer" as opposed to a speccy, or a video game console, was a social selection bar SO HIGH that out of my entire preppiest-school-in-town it selected for TWO PEOPLE.
phf: so i couldn't care less
mircea_popescu: there were 20+ kids who had a driver drive them to school.
phf: sure, and you can tell that to americans in the audience, but that's not the issue i'm talking about
phf: i'm saying that 80s general purpose computers existed because of wide open possibility space. "let's built this generic computron" "alan turing" all that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and i was too dumb to do much with the machine. such is life.
mircea_popescu: this is just one of many possible ideological colors that may be retrospectively applied.
phf: sure, i don't myself grok the cause. i'm more saying that 80s general purpose computer is a time and place kind of phenomenon
phf: now it's starting to look that new hardware, be it for the select elite or plebs is not going to be general purpose in that same sense, because interested parties figured out what kind of constraints are desirable or tolerable
mircea_popescu: if this is true then any handwringing of any sort is an exercise in insanity.
phf: back then a working cpu at capacity was the point, we have floating point here now, gives wider possibility space, etc.
mircea_popescu: it's not even clear we even want half the shit we have.
phf: now a working cpu comes preinstalled with all the gunk that various parties decided is needed, over the course of past 20 years
mircea_popescu: i tell you honestly if i were to go on a mountaintop now, IF i considered taking a computer AT ALL
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this stand would be a lot more defensible if general purpose computing made a sense!
mircea_popescu: understand : just because you don't get to have "general purpose hole", it is not automatically thereby proven "enemy gets black hole"
mircea_popescu: as a matter of fact it may appear, but a negative lacks the definition capacity.
phf: well, we don't have a definition, i don't think "we" have ever arrived at a point where definition can be provided. what constitutes a general purpose computer, which are necessary/unnecessary parts. i'm reading 80s vlsi papers and it's all up in the air. should there be math coprocessor or bake it right into cpu, etc. etc. and then you have a "microcomputer revolution", when bill/steve start selling this shit to masses
mircea_popescu: and the problems with "roughly, means 'machine where you can implement new crypto', for mircea_popescu's purposes" should be obvious to someone who astutely points out that there's no math proof for crypto. the same thinking that works there works here, it does not follow i need computers redditard can buy to exist in order for to have crypto.
phf: so at this point when i or ascii talk about general purpose, it is in terms of negative, a doomed attempt to undo past 20 years to continue r&d that was killed
mircea_popescu: phf i insist on this point to impress upon the more decisive elements exactly how weak a basis for discernment we actually have.
mircea_popescu: and by we in this case i mean to include any and all enemies, too.
mircea_popescu: it is them, after all, throwing abundant resources in the chase of a pipe dream.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what if i, unlike you, that enjoys people, knows for a fact that any item the government nominally owns is mine for the taking ?
mircea_popescu: much like any young hussy theoretically owned by her father is really really desperate to give the show away ?
mircea_popescu: not take in that sense necessarily. that is take of the sort of people who read trilema and "take" some part to put on their own blog.
mircea_popescu: she cooks you a meal like she does every day, i happen to be in town, come by and eat it, you come home and oops, she forgot this time
mircea_popescu: and you'll have to "forgive" her, because she does your laundry. fuck you.
phf: well, that's an equivalent of running cmucl inside x86 browser virtualization
mircea_popescu: phf it's not an equivalent of anything. the important point here is that from experience, this rubber band is very slippery. there is no such thing as "tight"
mircea_popescu: eulora is a particularly miserable example, in general games by shrewd companies benefit rather than suffer from locked down markets.
mircea_popescu: which is why people in 1800 could live well "writing for the newspaper" and ditzy sluts today can't.
mircea_popescu: yes, will say to you. and i'm thankful for it, less crud to compete with. it'll be either buy microsoft fly sim or eulora. hurrr.
mircea_popescu: as i say : games horridru example for this closed markets thing.
phf: mircea_popescu: it's the strategic superiority article's position is what i'm saying. you can rig up ipad to do crypto for you, as long as you shield it in a bunker, install some toy language environment on it and spend some time writing rsa algo in that
mircea_popescu: phf that's still not the level of discussion here. yes i'm not entirely blockheaded, i understand THAT angle of it. the point is the other angle however. take all the drm adventures : in spite of all the effort AND proprietary hardware, i can still get any film i want
mircea_popescu: people in the empire are dumb enough to buy, TO BUY, for MONEY, "copy protection" that i can take out with a magic marker. you grok this ?
mircea_popescu: it's no accident people in the empire behave like people in the empire.
mircea_popescu: nor do they have the optionalities you imagine for them, it's not a case of "republic, on imperial steroidal vitamins".
phf: but i'm not attributing any agency to the republic, i'm observing and commenting on a tendency
mircea_popescu: phf well he's attributing some agency to "the enemy", except imo the wrong sort.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you imagine the same would stay true once every usg item had to use ipad 6 for lack of alternative, and in ALL applications ? phones, servers, metal detectors, everything, ipad 6 ?
mircea_popescu: the ~only reason they can keep it together is that they get to define the tasks they want to solve.
mircea_popescu: take that away, you're back to literotica runs on bbsomeshit
trinque: back when windows mattered it was trivially and ubiquitously pirated
mircea_popescu: the argument is here that a) that joke passed for serious back then ; b) there can not be such a thing as "serious" in this application.
phf: i think my lament is that the possibility space is closing, the kind of substrate that allows for a global optimization problem like "pirated movies" to resolve is being gradually eliminated in a counter optimization. i'm warning a potential collapse, mp's arguing that the space is always open
mircea_popescu: phf your measure of "open" is always going to be flawed, in the sense that it's a version of "general fights last war".
mircea_popescu: you don't know what to measure, because open means, definitionally, exactly this.
mircea_popescu: so as time goes by, any arbitrary definition of open must converge to closed.
mircea_popescu: this is directly resultant from thermodynamics, and allows no exceptions.
phf: well, in that case i'm just sad that things have to die
mircea_popescu: which is in all times and places the universal characteristic of geekdom
mircea_popescu: so much so the more astute artists actually use it as a characterisation device.
mircea_popescu: under discussion was not "the closinbg of computer" but "the measure of open"
trinque: "can't even cons in hardware on x86; how is it open?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you are engaging in the behaviour you derride re folks making cryptosystems, and in spades!
mircea_popescu: "oh, this seems really hard to me - it must be impossible!"
phf: asciilifeform: that's insufficient even for our immediate needs. you can turingcomplete on it, but so can nsa
mircea_popescu: now hush about all this and go make me actual homomorphic encryption so i can compute platform-independent.
mircea_popescu: you understand that just as there's no bridge between "this is what math says" and "this is what our cryptosystem does", there's no bridge between the words you use ?
mircea_popescu: let's start with something simple : open and closed do not stand in opposition.
mircea_popescu: they are not even the same kind. open is a measure of an undefined property.
mircea_popescu: there is no way, nor could there be a way, for you to put these two in a syllogism.
mircea_popescu: there is a definition of train, quite mathematical : if the driving power is transmitted via tyre, you have a car. if transmitted via rigid assemblage - track. if transmitted via rigid assemblage working against a rail - train.
phf: well, perhaps this argument is frustrating because we arguing that certain kind of space is closing, and you seem to be responding with but everything's always open
mircea_popescu: trains that work vertically are also called elevators.
mircea_popescu: phf it's not "but everything's always open", it's more "the reason this space is closing is because losing relevancy, and you'd be fools to focus on it if true"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not only maglev : but the driving TRAIN. and for this reason.
mircea_popescu: man that wrote on paper was chinese. your ancestors wrote on hide.
phf: that's what germans did
mircea_popescu: anyway, the economic issues are incontrovertible. the "general computer" as killer micro is an 80s thing because white people were not mentally ill and mentally retarded then.
mircea_popescu: today, they are. they will not be able to support this. no matter what you do, they aren't smart enough for it.
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no reason to have computers in shop like bread and porn mags.
mircea_popescu: "we" as in, the relevant part of the species, tried this whole "every life is precious - every life is sacred" thing. because we got scared of ww2, and bla bla.
mircea_popescu: it came to its bitter end, in wikipedia articles, reddit and twitter opinions, and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: in some manner or other, "common man" that "just wanted to" will crash against the wall of "wot or take a hike"
mircea_popescu: and the ploy to convince them that the way into the future is "being anonymous", and especially THE FACT THAT IT WORKS is no end of high comedy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of microshit and all that : the experience of this alikim fellow in #eulora constituted a shattering moment for me. so, let me summarize :
mircea_popescu: yes, him. so guy comes in, he's well spoken and clearly competent, has a lot of experience wit hgaming. strictly in windows.
mircea_popescu: runs into trouble with data interchange, such as for instance going from csv to sql takes him hours of hand labour
mircea_popescu: and in the end ? alikim "the trouble" or rather a sad fact is that instead of maintaining one resource everyone maintains their own
mircea_popescu: basically, guy's problem is that eulora is unworkable because IT IS NOT CENTRALIZED ENOUGH.
mircea_popescu: imagine that, he found bugs in my fucking client, and i mean that plural. yet... in the end... he can't work with it because he's from windows, and the requirements that puts on him are not merely "well you gotta convert to sql for mysql"
mircea_popescu: they ACTUALLY are "well i can't tHI?NK about this bs!"
mircea_popescu: for local flavour : the man runs lamp locally like a sort of super-excel.
phf: guy's programmer? :o
mircea_popescu: no but i don't say to disparage. i say to explain. for him, this makes sense.
mircea_popescu: and make no mistake : he is intelligent, and actually a good programmer.
mircea_popescu: so THIS is perhaps the strongest argument i see against my earlier position.
mircea_popescu: the fact is that living among idiots damages the brain. ask ustard kids about us history, you'll hear some lulz.
mircea_popescu: the only problem being, of course, that the cure to living among idiots is to stop living among idiots, it can't be resolved with some sort of peculiar computing choice or other.
mircea_popescu: and the whole discussion re systemd above is quite germane : even "with" this so called "general purpose in the sense of we dunno what exacrtly" computer of today,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you two just agreed above it's hopeless!
trinque: if there are 10k computer users in the world, how many of them to allocate to gentoo maintenance?
mircea_popescu: trinque the idea more or less is that once you get rid of the power rangers, maintenance becomes 10k easier a task.
mircea_popescu: this is evident in, for instance, rms' early writings about "hacking" at mit or wherever.
mircea_popescu: absent the ovester feminists and other idiots who wanted to cheerlead because it was popular,
mircea_popescu: they could actually engage in coding so much so permisionless fs were better.
mircea_popescu: much like your idea of sql here is, "well fuck it, wot"
mircea_popescu: there's a huge difference at work between situation 1. "i'll explain what he did AND I KNOW he'll apologize" and 2. "i won't even explain because i know he won't even understand".
mircea_popescu: while you can rely on 1 you have one environment, and it's what the boys here miss. not "general purpose computer"
trinque: yep, I was wondering at whether those were conflated
trinque: "all the fun shit is happening in there and you can't come"
mircea_popescu: it's already most of the way there as it is, hence all the butthurt.
trinque: I'd love for that thing to be on entirely *specific* hardware that does only that, perfectly
trinque: I'd put one at the edge of my network and never look back
mircea_popescu: trinque but that wouldn't be a "general purpose" item would it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think about this for a second. so ms makes its windows key ; and i make my short run mp key. why not ?
mircea_popescu: and then we have gosspid and bitcoin and they have ms fly sim. win-win.
mircea_popescu: maybe she meets phf at the weekly chaikowski teas or whatever they do.
mircea_popescu: so you find a discarded mp-signed bios and turn it on and it prompts you to make a key and heck... wtf is this.
mircea_popescu: no, the reason there's no folks younger than 20 here is because folks younger than 20 are retarded.
trinque: my brother's 18; I have him on devuan on an old box
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for the same reason roman youth was retarded. because people are born retarded and it washes off slowly.
trinque: and if nobody's around to love you enough to kick your ass, you suck
trinque: so then, perhaps *I* own a computer and he may use it via gossipd if he doesn't piss me off
trinque: would his experience of the thing be general purpose, or would it be constrained by me
mircea_popescu: in short, we're ideologically in this funny position where on one hand we want to bake bitcoin miners straight into silicone, and this is fine and good ; then enemy wants to make signable hardware and THIS IS EVIL. but it is on one hand what we do, on the other hand unavoidable due to the idiots and on the third hand perfectly ignorable. so they make theirs and we make ours and whoopdedoo.
mircea_popescu: we've already agreed this "general computer" is idiocy, what's all the agitation about. it still is.
mircea_popescu: as it is today, chinese plants run two shifts a day to make iphones for apple and one shift to make bootlegs for themselves.
mircea_popescu: this isn't even some big secret, millions of people know.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> this is why the existence of nintendos was not an evil until they approached becoming the ~only available~ machine. <<< "only available machine" here means something very marketing-driven
mircea_popescu: in the sense that if it's for > 9.95 it might as well not exist
mircea_popescu: we specifically do not care of this nonsense, we are not feeding the consumers.
mircea_popescu: da fuck i care that the mpstation is 500 and the just-as-good shitstation is 19.95
mircea_popescu: so all the grannies will buy the shitstation. all the better.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand something fundamental. if the whole blockchain takes 200 yottahashes to dig up, one block still only costs you 200 yottahashes / 60 * 10, ie 0.15%
mircea_popescu: the factories will be there to make the shit, and an eight hour run in one will still be 1/1000 or less.
mircea_popescu: there's very good scale effects that deeply favour us.
mircea_popescu: because same board with the signed bios can be made with... different key.
mircea_popescu: yes, some metal in between silicone layers cut a certtain way
mircea_popescu: this argument is rapidly collapsing into a "these damned dentists moved from using fireplace tools to actual dentist's chairs, and i won't have one at home and i won't ever be able to have teeth or chew now"
mircea_popescu: "but those fucking hurt" "fuck you, evil guy" "but i need them for dentistry, for uterine retraction, for" "FUCK YOU!!!!"
mircea_popescu: the only specious thing here is the strange notion that somehow they'll get aliens to do the work in alien ways forever.
mircea_popescu: there is ~no possibility of this sort of evolution, and what more can be said.
mircea_popescu: but if you ARENT they why the fuck whine, clearly your notions aren't worth the fab time!
mircea_popescu: at the absolute very least you should be able to get a university in fucking brazil with a key ffs.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly hoiw all the shit we use now was written i nthe first fucking place.
mircea_popescu: and also back when going on the internet was, technically, fraud and theft, the internet WAS ACTUALLY WORTH FUCKING STEALING
mircea_popescu: neither c, nor unix, nor lisp for that matter were written by people who had computers at home. you understand this, right ?
mircea_popescu: it's writen by a windows imbecile that nigh on put lamp in there!
mircea_popescu: if nakamoto never had a computer at home, we'd be better off.
mircea_popescu: better off in the sense of same exact bitcoin maaaaaybe coupla years later [or coupla decades earlier ?] and we wouldn't be in THIS position
mircea_popescu: we'd be in the position were we'd be humble followers on the much cooler tmsr bbs.
mircea_popescu: which is why i'm fuckign thankful the obedient horde country collapses already.
mircea_popescu: imagine - as a plot for a very cool sfish thing - that real-world 1984 SU actually had bitcoin invented by one of the guys there, and the cause of the collapse was the fight between the intellectuals and the bolsheviks
mircea_popescu: with an ex uni rector shooting cannon rounds at the duma
mircea_popescu: and then well... takes over teh world and there you go
mircea_popescu: i find it particularly concerning that at the one point in history science fiction need not to any degree and in any sense mean future
mircea_popescu: given X as the total count of moduli bytes, what is the formula to extract the time for ideal machine running ideal algo
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 6703903964971298549787012499102923063739682910296196688861780721860882015036773488400937149083451713845015929093243025426876941405973284973216824503042051 is NOT PRIME !
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 80792515178277518251787191721674879901110256674288710080325863568811637847169727232993003528807283659221794902304745048735298897876227302737720380966120707801577193418252490229375494375974130266990144095960168920691980546606549390404595235846190426176454114630090762607218939728852664521518880997809825963804785833474170856051712436966411423737140440088315805145194514148327565481771150785375646482160442791814859
mircea_popescu: 00929615464339399587788075411476100924403308321807806781421177705052431289275431732830867419635645164174483761499317088249659553881291597359333885900533858307401161329619651238037048388963402764899057665 is NOT PRIME !
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 80792515178277518251787191721674879901110256674288710080325863568811637847169727232993003528807283659221794902304745048735298897876227302737720380966120707801577193418252490229375494375974130266990144095960168920691980546606549390404595235846190426176454114630090762607218939728852664521518880997809825963804785833474170856051712436966411423737140440088315805145194514148327565481771150785375646482160442791814859
mircea_popescu: 00929615464339399587788075411476100924403308321807806781421177705052431289275431732830867419635645164174483761499317088249659553881291597359333885900533858307401161329619651238037048388963402764899057665 is NOT PRIME !
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 281479271743489 is NOT PRIME ! Modulus has mirrored low-order 32 bits ! << a nice!
mircea_popescu: lrh@primenet.com host smtp1.mke.securence.com [204.11.209.99] SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: 554 no valid recipients, bye
mircea_popescu: actually it turns out primenet.com is actually a spammer service.
mircea_popescu: the main advantage of magnetic being obviously that no need to gear the "motor"
mircea_popescu: problem is... how do you adjust motor rpm with user's ?
mircea_popescu: needed some sort of gearbox that allows arbitrary axle drive
mircea_popescu: what else are they goinna say, "my daughter is ten bucks a lay, free blowjobs on sunday, call now" ?
phf: "man, i'm ~killing~ it today, say, did i accidentally grab my buddies motorized bike??? naaawww"
phf: "femke, my fellow biking aficionado, i built a motorized bike but the kicker, nobody can tell you're using one. say, you want to borrow it for a few weeks? say put it in your fleet of racing bikes?"
mircea_popescu: "it's for training. you have to work less to go the same distance"
phf: and even if it was, he had it coming anyway
mircea_popescu: Pirate: How dare you molest the whole world? Because I do it with a small boat, I am called a pirate and a thief. You, with a great navy, molest the world and are called an emperor."
mircea_popescu: everyone may know it, but no one has come up with an answer worth two shits, which is how memory hole became required bug-that's-a-feature in modern man mental programming.
copumpkin: omg my withdrawal came through, thanks mircea_popescu :)
copumpkin: I won't need cryptographic proof to publicly shame you after all!!
copumpkin goes back to idling in his 2012 world
trinque: was this the one BingoBoingo said was a furry?
copumpkin: nah, back in my day the iPad was just a glimmer in Steve's eye
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 15:26 trinque: back when windows mattered it was trivially and ubiquitously pirated
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 15:57 asciilifeform: like villages with no locks on doors, aha
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 16:02 asciilifeform: which is why there are no folks younger than, what, 20, here.
BingoBoingo: Stopped writing because he discovered gurlz.
shinohai: I know I'm ocd about such things, I chided mod6 about foundation site earlier this week.
davout: shinohai: you suck, you didn't notice wp botched the gpg key!11
deedbot: crayon voiced for 30 minutes.
crayon: just want to say thank you for nosuchlabs.com tool
BingoBoingo: <trinque> was this the one BingoBoingo said was a furry? << Twas Rassah was the furvert
deedbot: shinohai may not $up crayon
deedbot: crayon voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but this "X was done because Y wanted to but X' won't be done because Y doesn't want to" is still as lulzy as ever.
mircea_popescu: usg.microsoft, usg.apple, usg.nsa, usg.sfpd along with usg.* are still our little bitch.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> Stopped writing because he discovered gurlz. << one of the better reasons.
mircea_popescu: in other phuctor news (omfg this site is like perpetual xmas tree, i keep going there for presents multiple times a day), what the fuck is with all the ssh keys with exponent = 35
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 16385 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Anarchist Hackers Revolutionary Movement; << hopefully hablan ex-panhole. el hackeo es lucha por hoy & por siempre.
phf: heh darin@yoda.chinalake.navy.mil
mircea_popescu: i would think this is definitionally lame, "o hey check out my pgp key with the cool domain and the shitty exponent".
phf: he's a musician and paul's weapons instructor
mircea_popescu: ssh://172.16.9.84; << clearly this is from some bugged ssh tool.
phf: yeah, that's my guess a compromised ssh package
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remind me what were we looking at, 24mn total sigs ?
phf: i didn't realize this thing eats ssh too
mircea_popescu: phf if it's rsa, it's food. alf the beedog is serious about bee's knees like that.
phf: oh i remember kingtaco, he's gentoo old timer
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 16385 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Security; Northrop Grumman PGP Root-CA; TRW-Root-CA - TRW/SEG/ITS/IS <trw-root-ca@trw.com>;
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : you got your qntra piece right there. "Phuctor, the RSA Super-Collider discovers vulnerability in Northrop Grumman PGP Root-CA "
mircea_popescu: phf so lovely indeed. ties right into our convo earlier dunnit
phf: no google hits for this guy though
phf: i'm putting all these keywords into my google search
mircea_popescu: "May First/People Link engages in building movements by advancing the strategic use and collective control of technology for local struggles, global transformation, and emancipation without borders. Flowing from that mission, our organization redefines the concept of Internet Service Provider in a collective and collaborative way. Like any democratic membership organization, we gather together each year to evaluate the
mircea_popescu: past years experiences, plan the coming years work and elect a Leadership Committee to apply what weve decided. Like a coop, we pay dues, buy equipment and then we all use that equipment as we need to for websites, email, email lists, and just about everything else we do on the Internet. As a movement organization, we participate in (and often lead) campaigns, struggles, coalitions and network of left, progressive an
mircea_popescu: d social justice organizations in the U.S., Mexico and Internationally. Learn more about our organization by reading our official documents."
mircea_popescu: root@luisa.mayfirst.org; root@dolores.mayfirst.org; ssh://galeano.mayfirst.org; root@menchu.mayfirst.org; ssh://bernice.mayfirst.org; ssh://chun.mayfirst.org; root@leslie.mayfirst.org;
mircea_popescu: organisation 100% fucked up by the 35 exponent. possibly we found the intended victim of that ?
phf: dunno, they look kind of derpy
phf: like those poverty ngos
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 16385 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Louis C. LaCour, Jr. <lacourlc@mail.arlaw.com>;
phf: i'd look at the date of that key though, whether it's hot, or we're just looking at an old trail
mircea_popescu: let's play a little "guess the address of the scum pond" : Should an RSA public exponent be prime?
mircea_popescu: 1. Technical answer: an RSA public exponent needs to be coprime with the modulus, which is not the same as requiring that it be prime.
mircea_popescu: 2. Pragmatic answer: prime numbers are generally coprime with the modulus, and so they're an easy answer, and so RSA public exponents tend to be prime.
mircea_popescu: 3. Best-practice answer: just use 65537, in all cases. The other popular answer is 3, which is mathematically fine, but leaves less room for implementation error; there are some implementation flaws for which attacks are untenable with e=65537.
mircea_popescu: 4. Long-term answer: don't use RSA. RSA is well on its way to obsolescence. Most problems you'd ever want to solve with RSA are better solved with Curve25519 (for DH) and Ed25519 (for signing). Not coincidentally, these are the algorithms implemented by Nacl, the only crypto library you should consider using.
mircea_popescu: 5. Scolding answer: if you have to ask, please don't try to implement any of this yourself. It is very difficult to get RSA right.
mircea_popescu: phf seeing how they aren'\t paying me to secure them, whether it's hot or cold makes no diff.
mircea_popescu: also compare and contrast with the centralizing windows mind discussed earlier today.
mircea_popescu: some people just LIKE to see stuff like " just use 65537" " just use nacl" etc.
phf: Alfonso Mora <alf@arrakis.es>; there's your halleck. his gpg key is also bork
phf: a whole bunch of stuff from mayfirst
mircea_popescu: yeah why i said pretty thoroughly infested. and since few others have the 35 problem...
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 21 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): AvaCam <avacam@geocities.com>; << wasn't this one of the early camhos ?!
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 35 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): ssh://2nieqevdp67ck5gr.onion; << i dun use tor, anyonr that does care to screrenshot a page ?
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 3765668207 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Walther Mayer <walther.mayer@web.de>;
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 4202608123 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Walther Mayer <walther.mayer@web.de>; << poor guy, just can't catch a break.
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 13905337 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Kerper Markus VWPKI 55FB65E9923146B0 <markus.kerper@volkswagen.de>;
mircea_popescu: Eng Seng ONG (Sydney, NSW, Australia) <esong@mensa.org.au>; Public Exponent 2441348387 is NOT PRIME ! Public Exponent 2884952233 is NOT PRIME ! << this looks like yet another class of different weird e's, perhaps deliberate.
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 65 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): HP Security Response Team (SIGNING ONLY) <security-alert@hp.com>; <<< ahahahaha
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 4230764437 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Soren Hansen <sh@warma.dk>; Soren Hansen <sh@linux2go.dk>; Soren Hansen <soren@ubuntu.com>; Soren Hansen <shawarma@ubuntu.com>; Soren Hansen <soren@canonical.com>; Soren Hansen <soren.hansen@canonical.com>;
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phf: bb is man with a mission
mircea_popescu: Eric L. Spaulding <espaulding@colgate.edu>; Public Exponent 524289 is NOT PRIME ! o.O
mircea_popescu: also ubertons of fsfe people. it's odd, seeing how fsf i thought was mostly a us item.
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 35 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): root@stallman.mayfirst.org; << check it out phf :D
phf: it looks like that's their mail server, kind of an odd name, but i don't think RMS is involved
mircea_popescu: there's also a didier. and so on. seems they go by the ancient tradition of giving users a subnet
mircea_popescu: ie if i were an user i'd log as root@popescu.mayfirst.org rather than the more common nowadays.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, obviously all local names are arbitrary from the global perspective.
phf: Stephen Mahood, Outreach and Communication Coordinator, "Most of his technical experience came from his work with Occupy Boston IT and May First/People Link, where he combined labor organizing and technical skills to support organizations focused on systemic change."
mircea_popescu: i dunno about the "labor organizing" skills involved, but if they're at the same script kiddie level his technical skills belie, he's just right for the democratic party astroturf dept.
phf: that's what i'm thinking
phf: fake occupiers with a convenient set of diddle keys?
mircea_popescu: kinda clashes with the derpage about how "the fsf doesn't consult rms because he's too slow for school"
shinohai: asciilifeform: any eta on the rsa feed? I used to have it connected to my bot.
mats: lots of these folks have the same smell
mats: i encountered a professional tibetan panhandler in univ and asked him during the q&a wut exactly his end game was re: china (e.g. revolution by violent means? establishment of 's.a.r.' like .hk? macau?)
mats: chuckled nervously, dodged the entire question, then talked about how important donations were to tibetan freedom and wutever the fuck
mats: he bragged for a few mins at the end of his presentation about how he got to work in downtown d.c., rubbed shoulders with 'important people', traveled all the time to speak at prestigious events
mats: afterwards i asked him how he ended up in the role and it turned out he did some shit for occupy
mats: that's when i realized its possible to have a career being a useless person
mircea_popescu: not exactly useless. in socialism, political posturing is the first and often only "useful" activity.
mircea_popescu: anyway. tibet used to be, roughly speaking, southern california of china. it got the mongolian hordes in the midwest all occupied, and more likely to put up with the emperor in washingtonjing.
mircea_popescu: phf incidentally, you happy with the log ? am i moving links over ?
phf: only thing is that i still need to add /?date=01-12-2013 handler
phf: (it's trickier then it would appear to any rational being, because the url handler that i'm using is all kinds of idiotic, i need to rip it)
phf: no, i say just wait about a day
phf: i was going to fuck around with annotations tomorrow, but i can do url fixes instead
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 hope you aren't kilt ded
phf: or something along those lines
mircea_popescu: ok, i'm out roflmao. gonna wait a day for YOUR "all kinds of idiotic" to be fixed
phf: well, my idiocies i bring on myself, so they can be carefully undone
a111: Logged on 2016-04-21 02:55 asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot there.
mircea_popescu: in other "fat women pictures and other non-news", retardopedia has a lengthy article on nobody in particular :
mircea_popescu: The Yes Men are a culture jamming activist duo and network of supporters created by Jacques Servin and Igor Vamos.[1] Through actions of tactical media,[citation needed] the Yes Men primarily aim to raise awareness about what they consider problematic social and political issues. To date, the duo has produced three films: The Yes Men (2003), The Yes Men Fix the World (2009)[1] and The Yes Men Are Revolting (2014). In these fi
mircea_popescu: lms, they impersonate entities that they dislike, a practice that they call "identity correction". The Yes Men operate under the mission statement that lies can expose truth. They create and maintain fake websites similar to ones they intend to spoof, which have led to numerous interview, conference, and TV talk show invitations. They espouse the belief that corporations and governmental organizations often act in dehumanizin
mircea_popescu: "According to Servin, the Yes Men concept initially sprang from their creation of a fake website spoofing the World Trade Organization. To the surprise of Servin and Vamos, many believed the site to be authentic, and the two were consequently contacted to speak at a conference in Austria. Since this time, the Yes Men have continued performing large-scale hoaxes, in what they describe as a collaborative effort with journalists
mircea_popescu: to help the media tell stories which they believe are important"
mircea_popescu: the usg, ever more distant from reality. after michael moore-level break from reality of the 90s, moving on to complete psychosis. soon to reach best korea level of mental confusion, im sure that fat schmuck was anally battering women called "Capitalism" and whatnot.
phf: i think most of it didn't survive through 90s, or turned dully political, like billboard liberation front
phf: i think yes men come from that line, but completely devoid of artistic merit, with only leftist moore style commentary left
phf: boyd rice is as much of a major musicians, i'm not trash talking, i love that stuff.
mircea_popescu: but i mean... there's zero relation between the fact that cool people in paris cca 1800 drank coffee and starbucks. what coffee culture.
phf: well, right, but my point is, to use the analogy, that starbucks wouldn't have anything to poach if there weren't paris cafes
mircea_popescu: im not even sure. there weren't paris soda fountains, for instance.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 16:53 asciilifeform: i actually wanted phuctor.nosuchlabs.com
a111: Logged on 2016-04-23 01:40 shinohai: asciilifeform: any eta on the rsa feed? I used to have it connected to my bot.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-23 01:46 mats: he bragged for a few mins at the end of his presentation about how he got to work in downtown d.c., rubbed shoulders with 'important people', traveled all the time to speak at prestigious events
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the perennial permanence of this scum accounted for the very ambivalent reaction east block refugees received, which was the first desilusionment for most eastern people.
mircea_popescu: of course by now it matters relatively little, nobody in his right mind would seriously propose the west has anything to say or offer.
phf: when i was out last saturday "on the town", every other girl was from ohio, indiana, illinois. it turned into a game at some point. team ohio won
phf: it's not worth it, it's easy to get them to go to a bathroom with you then deliver that punchline
gribble: Current Blocks: 408531 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 716 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 2 hours, 44 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 1 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Michael Kmiec <mk@bitwise.net>;
mircea_popescu: well no, given keys A and B, getting B's modulus to appear on A requires one of the two to collaborate
mircea_popescu: it's a matter of audience. the people who think gavin is a person don't grok all this ; the rest would be counter-affected.
mircea_popescu: what was the total count again ? 20mn ? like 3-4% loaded yet ?
ben_vulpes: one could also iterate over github usernames
ben_vulpes: perhaps some time will free up after this expose-child-to-great-grandmother-in-flyover-states-before-she-exits-gracefully concludes