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sad235szd: morning
sad235szd: any canadians here (or anyone with an opinion for this ) thoughts? [https://www.ubiworks.ca/guaranteed-livable-basic-income] [is there possibility of this to pass sooner OR later?]
asciilifeform: sad235szd: ithought they already had welfarism there ?
asciilifeform: sad235szd: 'ubiism' is political bait for idjits tho. keep in mind what happens to prices from demand-side subsidies.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2014-11-02 asciilifeform: i often wonder what take #2 would be like, if they understood what happens to price (e.g., usa with credit and 'college loans', etc)
asciilifeform: (e.g. landlord:'hey, nice, heard errybody's getting 5k$/mo for phree. yer rent is nao n+5k')
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $47641.6
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 14 nodes...
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=716396
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.086s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=716396
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.111s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716396
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.084s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716396
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.144s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716396 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=716396 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.170s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716396 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.143s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716396
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.245s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716396
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.267s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716396
watchglass: 94.176.238.102:8333 : (2ppf.s.time4vps.cloud) Alive: (0.364s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=715925
watchglass: 82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.407s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=715925
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.620s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716396
watchglass: 75.106.222.93:8333 : Could not connect!
asciilifeform: sad235szd: in usa, they recently sent coupla $k to ~erryone 'for phree' ('stimulus'). all it did was create an auto shortage, morons immediately used the cheques as down-payments for auto loans
asciilifeform: ~doubling prices pretty quickly.
whaack knows a canadian chick here cashing in on the ubi scam, afaik money winds up with a cr drug dealer shortly after it hits her bank account
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-29#1070100 << thanks for pointing out the logic flaw in the chart, like signpost i'm just trying to find some useful signal, like everyone else
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-29 20:00:14 mats: do you know that m2 includes m1?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-29 20:49:21 signpost: nah, just trying to make sense of a mad world, man
billymg: mats: what i was hoping to get from the chart was a sense of BTC's "share of the pie", it seems that might not be the right metric, USD spot is also a terrible measure of that because USD itself is unreliable
billymg: that's also how i understood this question
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-29 22:04:51 signpost: mats: if we have good measures of inflation, what's the best way to normalize BTC price for it?
billymg has nfi what "btc flows" are, perhaps mats will elaborate
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-29 22:05:31 mats: btc flows have nothing to do with consumer price inflation
billymg: mats: perhaps the word "inflation" is difficult to work with because of the various definitions and measures. but if one wanted a sense of bitcoin's share of global wealth, or % of global wealth stored in bitcoin, would one be able to calculate this (or even get remotely close)?
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-29#1070071 << had brought this up at some point too, yours seems cleaner than arbitrarily stripping in the bot/logger
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-29 17:32:33 asciilifeform: considering a cmd for pest spec, 'SLAVE <handle>', for use w/ bots such as billymg's; sets a condition where broadcasts received via <nick> register as immediates
bitbot: (pest) 2021-12-01 billymg: i'm also wondering what to do in the logger with the hearsay annotations in the future. should log bots just peer with everyone in the net? should it just be stripped off, or maybe shown on hover? there's also the issue that [] are valid characters in IRC nicks
billymg: if bitcoin crashed back to 3 digits i'd run, not walk, to nearest office farm that would have me and start dumping ~90% of the proceeds into btc. i'm not holding my breath though because i suspect the entire reason they pumped it in the first place was to prevent plebs from loading up
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-29 22:16:48 signpost: I think I said way above that I hope the BTC speculative bubble pops, selfishly.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-29 13:18:55 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-29#1070003 << reich pumped it, which makes it trivial for'em to then dump it
sad235szd: asciilifeform: idk, with all that automation
sad235szd: sure there must be some bright/good sides under the veil of the 'good intensions'/slavery m ?
sad235szd: *surely
sad235szd: i mean u become like fully dependent on gooberment/mercy of gooberment but still hah
sad235szd: btw naturally dried pineapple is the shit, you should try if , if not already ))
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-29#1070071 <<< this satisfies my lust for anti-pc things.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-29 17:32:33 asciilifeform: considering a cmd for pest spec, 'SLAVE <handle>', for use w/ bots such as billymg's; sets a condition where broadcasts received via <nick> register as immediates
sad235szd: in other news girly looks guilty but will that emerge amount to something, who knows
cgra: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-28#1069958 << from a group of apparent, non-ideal options (incl markdown and 'roll your own'), i ended up choosing "reStructuredText" when deciding how to begin drawing down trb picture while eating the c++ spaghetti
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-28 15:13:42 asciilifeform: what asciilifeform would much prefer is a non-retarded 'markdown' that knows how to order endnotes. but dun seem to exist
cgra: it may or may not fit your purpose, but at least it appears to properly permit multiple invocations of same footnotes and lets you define anchors you can organize irrespective of section numbering. i don't know if automatic section numbering works, in case you needed that also.
cgra: and no idea if helps anything re diagrams
asciilifeform: cgra: ty, will take a look
cgra: for me, for now does what md doesn't and i figured maybe can convert later to smth else with own code, if need be (speaking of which, not clear to this noob at all how to formulate a proper replacement)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-13 19:51:27 asciilifeform: a civilized replacement (sexprs!!!) for 'markdown' would be an a++ noob project.
asciilifeform: cgra: the scheme asciilifeform had in mind was (text "...foo..."), (link "http://foo"), (section "foo"), (subsection-n n "sectionname"), (endnote "endnote text"), etc
asciilifeform: ... n being 'depth' of subsection
asciilifeform: output would be html, similar to markdown's
asciilifeform: 'endnote' prolly oughta take a handle, so can use w/ 'link'
asciilifeform: (endnote foo "text") then can (link foo)
asciilifeform: or rather, (link "text" foo)
asciilifeform: imho whole thing'd be a pg or so of cl
asciilifeform: prolly could even bake it using 'cl-who'.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-30#1070300 << likely if they had enuff waterfall fuel to make this happen, already would
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-30 09:02:10 billymg: if bitcoin crashed back to 3 digits i'd run, not walk, to nearest office farm that would have me and start dumping ~90% of the proceeds into btc. i'm not holding my breath though because i suspect the entire reason they pumped it in the first place was to prevent plebs from loading up
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-30#1070310 << likely will get 'epsteined' in the clink, even if doesn't start squealing
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-30 09:48:09 sad235szd: in other news girly looks guilty but will that emerge amount to something, who knows
sad235szd: ye it's possible
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-30#1070296 << in actuality wealth aint printolade, or even btc, but goods/services; from this pov, 'btc's share of pie' (i.e. goods/services buyable directly with actual btc) is microscopic
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-30 08:27:06 billymg: mats: perhaps the word "inflation" is difficult to work with because of the various definitions and measures. but if one wanted a sense of bitcoin's share of global wealth, or % of global wealth stored in bitcoin, would one be able to calculate this (or even get remotely close)?
sad235szd: yet epstein is not 100% dead imo
sad235szd: weird
asciilifeform: sad235szd: what makes you think he aint dead?
asciilifeform: billymg: keep in mind that 1 of the aims of reich's btc damping is to buy it up 'cheaply'. (certainly not for 'giveaway' of cheapcoinz to plebes)
asciilifeform: ( hence the slow conversion of goxes into 'roach motels' where coin enters, but does not leave )
sad235szd: idk from what i've seen/read/also a little bit of intuition
sad235szd: does deedbot still accepts registering for the wot btw
asciilifeform: hm signpost , bug ^ ?
asciilifeform: sad235szd: i expect !!register worx
sad235szd: i mean ive posted few times but not from the paste.deedbot , does it works with external cer
sad235szd: then strange
asciilifeform: sad235szd: try it, and if barfs, i expect signpost will help you when he wakes up
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-30#1070306 << it aint as if there's any shortage of reading material re what it's like to be warehoused in a reich-sponsored flat, for instance.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-30 09:19:08 sad235szd: i mean u become like fully dependent on gooberment/mercy of gooberment but still hah
asciilifeform: ( if yer in usa, can walk to nearest 'section 8 park' and see for yerself )
sad235szd: i know only section.80
sad235szd: kendrick lamar :>> xaxa
sad235szd: will try to get informed throughout
skylamer: nope
shinohai: I'll be back on pestnet later, having comcast issuez
mats: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-30#1070285 << The auto shortage is the product of supply chain issues, ie, supply-driven, not demand-driven. i believe a majority of stimulus checks went into the stock market
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-30 07:40:52 asciilifeform: sad235szd: in usa, they recently sent coupla $k to ~erryone 'for phree' ('stimulus'). all it did was create an auto shortage, morons immediately used the cheques as down-payments for auto loans
mats: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-30#1070291 << I think realised cap is a more useful signal than market cap. I compare btc’s realised cap today, 0.45tn, with the rest of the financial universe: gold is about 10tn, usd 21tn, global stock market cap 100tn
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-30 08:20:10 billymg: mats: what i was hoping to get from the chart was a sense of BTC's "share of the pie", it seems that might not be the right metric, USD spot is also a terrible measure of that because USD itself is unreliable
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-30 08:22:27 billymg: has nfi what "btc flows" are, perhaps mats will elaborate
mats: many populists believe the fed is to blame for today's inflation problems, i think that's a mistake
sad235szd: yea jfk knew it was a mistake, too
billymg: mats: that's sort of what it sounded like. so flow would be another term for the "velocity of money"? or different?
billymg: the reason for my confusion was because the question was posed as "what's the best way to normalize BTC price for [inflation]?" -- i.e. didn't see anything in the question about "flows"
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-30 10:31:34 skylamer: !!register https://pastebin.com/raw/kUjx0PJX
billymg: re: inflation: to me if you have 10 gold bars in the world and each is worth $10M, if 10 more are dropped from space you now have 20 and each is worth $5M. so yes, if the fed printer goes brrr, i see that as having a direct effect on price inflation
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-30#1070359 << quite conceivably tru re desk-fliers; otoh asciilifeform lives in a 'working class' neighborhood and was able to see with naked eye a # of new autos appearing erry time that printer went brr
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-30 10:51:52 mats: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-30#1070285 << The auto shortage is the product of supply chain issues, ie, supply-driven, not demand-driven. i believe a majority of stimulus checks went into the stock market
asciilifeform: would be surprising if this ~hadn't~ eventually created parts shortage.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-30#1070368 << imho this is a 'phlogiston'. i.e. implicitly assumes that there is such a unit as 'actual money' and that usd, btc, are at any given moment simply multiples of said unit. whereas no such entity exists.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-30 11:10:51 billymg: the reason for my confusion was because the question was posed as "what's the best way to normalize BTC price for [inflation]?" -- i.e. didn't see anything in the question about "flows"
billymg: asciilifeform: right, not linear, just saying if you keep printing more dollars you can't expect them to hold the same purchasing power forever
billymg: which i didn't even think was controversial
asciilifeform: billymg: not only not holds same purchasing power, but as the destruction of the industrial economy carries on (by, among other means, printolade-flooding) the purchasing power drops nonlinearly
asciilifeform: already there are things you can't easily buy, whether you have a stash of usd, gold dubloons, or even btc
asciilifeform: ( recall e.g. mp's piece where 'turkeys are finite' )
billymg: asciilifeform: yeah, not disagreeing, just waiting to hear how it's not the fed's fault
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-30 10:55:44 mats: many populists believe the fed is to blame for today's inflation problems, i think that's a mistake
billymg: asciilifeform: not sure if the same piece but the mpism i remember is "something something take dollar buy a bun take a billion dollars buy a billion buns. there ain't a billion buns!"
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-27 10:49:47 asciilifeform: PeterL: both come from same root -- lizards' desire to keep their yachts, palaces, and cocaine despite a collapsing support base. i.e. same thing that happened in e.g. argentina. (or 1700s fr. for that matter. and plenty of other places.)
asciilifeform: e.g. '20s austria trying to keep vienna going despite no longer having countryside of the empire connected to it
asciilifeform: after not too long, you end up with actual physical problems which are no longer correctable by fiddling paper. e.g. shortages of fuel, parts, transport, for farm equip., consequent food scarcity, the inevitable requisitions and resistance to same, etc
asciilifeform: (incl. 'labour shortage' where folx dun see a point in clocking in while remaining homeless )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-24 22:11:54 asciilifeform: ( or they will replace the workers who can't live on the inflatola and dun see point in working ? )
asciilifeform: hoarding supplies becomes the obv. smart thing to do, putting further pressure on suppliers
asciilifeform: whole process moar or less exhaustively documented, repeated many times in past century.
asciilifeform updated 0xFC draft with fix for this gotcha, and with 'SLAVE'/'UNSLAVE' cmds.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-10 13:03:12 jonsykkel: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-19#1058812 << if this is a point you get same with address cast 276byte ciphertext
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-29 17:32:33 asciilifeform: considering a cmd for pest spec, 'SLAVE <handle>', for use w/ bots such as billymg's; sets a condition where broadcasts received via <nick> register as immediates
asciilifeform: ^ achtung thimbronion , jonsykkel , et al
asciilifeform aware of various other things that must be done re spec but sadly short on time atm
jonsykkel: cool, il update my thing
asciilifeform: ty jonsykkel
asciilifeform not had chance to test jonsykkel's pestron just yet
jonsykkel: no hurry, will still murder testnet if connected to it anyway
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: how's that?
asciilifeform: (spams?)
jonsykkel: blatta9983 crashes when recv getdata messages
jonsykkel: (potentialy other unhandled ones as well, dunno dident test)
asciilifeform: the correct behaviour per spec is to ignore unspecified msg coads
jonsykkel: indeed
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-30#1070344 << yeah, it didn't like having two processes running against same db. I shut off the #pest one for now.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-30 10:18:03 asciilifeform: hm signpost , bug ^ ?
signpost: was farting responses arbitrarily to either depending on which won the race
signpost: sad235szd: feel free to register
shinohai: jonsykkel: iff'n ya want to peer using yer smol pest, feel free to gpgram me a key.
jonsykkel: shinohai: aight can do that, lemme quickly add slaves and addrcasts first
asciilifeform: 'haste makes waste', jonsykkel , dun hurry to add knobs
jonsykkel: sure, these particular updates are 5lines of code however (addr cast was done already. just gotta padding 266->262)
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: a ok
asciilifeform: signpost: ha, asciilifeform in fact fughot that it requires paste.deedbot, thought it eats whatever url
asciilifeform: (like !!deed)
signpost: actually might not even require that, dunno what the gent did
signpost: but I'm around, can retry whenever
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-30#1070365 << seems weird that there would be a singular blame.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-30 10:55:44 mats: many populists believe the fed is to blame for today's inflation problems, i think that's a mistake
signpost wouldn't be surprised if much of the brrrrr is circulating in the casinos, sure.
signpost: but (speculating here, so watch your blood pressure) I wouldn't be surprised if casino patrons take their winnings and seek yield elsewhere, driving bubbles in things that would be considered "consumer inflation"
signpost: housing, I'd be shocked if you argued it hadn't been turned into a speculative instrument, so much so that zillow et al are getting in.
signpost: supply chains are also casino-ified, no? freight derivatives and so on.
asciilifeform: signpost: often enuff, i'd suspect, elementary 'lemme buy x nao before can't any longer'
asciilifeform: auto, house, tinned food, gpu, you name it
signpost: yeah, that's "incentivize spending not hoarding (TM)" in the limit, eh?
asciilifeform: is how weimarization typically goes.
shinohai is looking at a fully-restored 1988 Mazda RX-7 that comes with asking price of $9K
asciilifeform recalls when a fella tried to sell him precisely that one for btc, in '14
shinohai: This one comes with spare 13B engine, so I can practice my die grinding skills! :D
asciilifeform: shinohai: if you go in for that kinda thing, wainot
signpost haz a tundra that'll probably last him til unborn kids go to college
asciilifeform recently bought an ancient, rusty f150 w/ 8ft bed, for work on new pad. still running month later
signpost: mats: anyway to wrap up, perhaps assuming a fiat currency must exist (which I don't), the fed has done the right things given circumstances. this will still fail as all central planning of things too big to understand fail.
shinohai: Sadly it would be a "weekend" or track car. I think the Georgia Highway Patrol would frown upon me stowing whores in the hatch .....
signpost: whether that failure is reflected in degradation of food, still-shittier plastitextiles, w/e, doesn't really matter to me.
asciilifeform: imho 'blame fed' is rather like to 'blame gosplan' for su collapse. it aint 'blameless', but is merely instrument of lizards
signpost: and I believe "everyone knew" the soviets were just about to surpass us in all economic measures right up until they crumbled.
jonsykkel: 2nd gen rx7 very gool car. turbo?
signpost: maybe mats has been making some money in the markets, which if so, great!
shinohai: jonsykkel: yes, single precision turbo 68
jonsykkel: nice
sad235szd: i am here
sad235szd is back
shinohai: Same guy also haz 1993 FD with a $45K tag on it, 88mm turbo on that one,, i'ts an angry lil bitch.
sad235szd: so signpost, it's just doesn't work it seems idk why tried both in chan and in /q
jonsykkel: i bet
asciilifeform: sad235szd: try again nao
jonsykkel: not as good looking tho
signpost: you are missing the protocol on your url
shinohai: im just a sucker for the1988 model w/ 5-speed, they are getting rarer to find unmolested.
jonsykkel: anything else than manual useless
sad235szd: says 'already registered'
signpost: then it is
signpost: one of your attempts worked
sad235szd: cool
signpost: why do you keep switching out of the nick you registered?
sad235szd: cuz i was checking on the site, is there irc command for that tho
sad235szd: habit
signpost: site's generated by a batch job at an interval
signpost: just keep whichever name you want to use
sad235szd: okay
sad235szd: but it had ` ( a special character ) in it when was the gpg first reg, is that a problem tho?
sad235szd: from now on im with da new nikkk
signpost: it stored whatever you registered.
skylamer`: thanks
shinohai: skylamer`: I investigated, found true.
jonsykkel: accurate enuf
skylamer`: the randomized study succeded
signpost: moar signal plz, less noise
shinohai: jonsykkel: can haz vpatch when you add the new bits, etc ?
jonsykkel: shinohai: sure il put on www and let u know
jonsykkel: asciilifeform: are you meant to check that speaker field matches peer that you successfully decrypted addr cast from? (if not, how to distinguish bounce baks of own addr casts)
mats: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-30#1070367 << velocity of money is a different thing. flow is the net of all cash inflows and outflows
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-30 11:09:44 billymg: mats: that's sort of what it sounded like. so flow would be another term for the "velocity of money"? or different?
mats: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-30#1070383 << like i said before, the current inflation woes are due to supply-side problems, not monetary policy
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-30 11:46:26 billymg: asciilifeform: yeah, not disagreeing, just waiting to hear how it's not the fed's fault
mats: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-30#1070373 << sure, the printer is sortof to blame. but also, people have been shut-in for a long time, discretionary spending on cafes, beers, restaurants, gas and car insurance, night clubs, etc, went way down, while checks and unemployment insurance kept rolling in
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-30 11:21:25 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-30#1070359 << quite conceivably tru re desk-fliers; otoh asciilifeform lives in a 'working class' neighborhood and was able to see with naked eye a # of new autos appearing erry time that printer went brr
mats: lots of pent-up demand there
mats: and lots of handouts. student loan payments were suspended -- still are, until at least may2022 and possibly even through midterm election season -- and the intervening period even counts toward public service loan forgiveness time
signpost: yeah, trying to recall where I saw an interesting graph of how much retail spending had been pulled forward according to the historic trend.
mats: a nice little giveaway for public slaves
signpost: sounds like you lay more blame on direct authoritarian intervention than monetary policy. seems pretty reasonable to me.
signpost: except insofar as authoritarian control of the monetary policy (including monetizing govt debt) enables the interventions.
mats: tapering hasn't begun yet, overnight reverse repos are still in progress
mats: but it is important to separate out the factors instead of flailing
signpost: sure, I'm enjoying you laying it out.
mats: https://archive.is/c3QMw FT "The oldest asset class of all still dominates modern wealth: Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed money into real estate instead of business investment"
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-30#1070489 << there's no wot entry / key for self, so this aint actually a problem
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-30 15:48:14 jonsykkel: asciilifeform: are you meant to check that speaker field matches peer that you successfully decrypted addr cast from? (if not, how to distinguish bounce baks of own addr casts)
asciilifeform: thinkaboutit.
asciilifeform: value of speaker field dun make any diff there.
jonsykkel: asciilifeform: theres isnt wot entry for self, but the addr casts are rebroadcast, so you get your own casts returned back to you and decryption will succeed for peer that you originally created that cast for
jonsykkel: (aka will look like cast originated from that peer, if only look at stuff inside Text field)
asciilifeform: jonsykkel is right, oughta specify that speaker field matches
asciilifeform will amend spec
jonsykkel: alrite
asciilifeform: done. ty jonsykkel .
jonsykkel: exelent
asciilifeform: a possibly more general point is that a station ought not to process incoming messages which appear to be from self, at all
asciilifeform: (nor should it rebroadcast a message back to its originator, ever)
asciilifeform: both are iirc known bugs in the current blatta
asciilifeform: prolly also oughta be in spec
asciilifeform not atm awake enuff to properly saw on the spec
jonsykkel: i think can simply put all messages you originate in dedup buffer
jonsykkel: if rely on speaker field might get problems if change handle at wrong moment and so on
jonsykkel: not that that would happen very often exactly
jonsykkel: no idea if will peer, never tested outside nat. by default updates at entry with whatever src port found in incoming udps though
d4: May I guess the reasons behind choosing Serpent over say AES or ChaCha20 are because of funny influence of some agency and in the latter of DJB respectuful and undoubted name? asciilifeform
asciilifeform: d4: see logs
asciilifeform: d4: serpent was the original winner of the old 'aes' contest, was vetoed by reich supposedly because 'too expensive in hardware'.
asciilifeform: d4: from asciilifeform's pov, has a # of advantages (e.g. easily implemented in constant-time); and others)
asciilifeform: d4: djb incidentally 'turned' (from '16 or so, openly advocates e.g. the use of prng in place of trng), and asciilifeform has 0 remaining respect for him.
vex: rx7 sounds like a buy shinohai. if you really wanna piss off the highway patrol & burn circles into the road, i'll send you an aussie fgx ute
vex agrees with the bulgarian re: dried pineapple.
vex: it's the shit
vex: mp was creaming his knickers on macadamia nuts one day, and offered a business model to the chan: sell nuts for coin!
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