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phf: i'd say this could be a new look, but she already looks like a williamsburg hipster from 8 years ago
mircea_popescu: that woman killed someone ?
asciilifeform: supposedly
asciilifeform: and with 133337 poison
mircea_popescu: i dunno how leet it is, if it alerts the victim
asciilifeform: well noshit in our native 15th century poison was to avoid 'alert the victim.' but today apparently it is for putting on show. e.g., polonium.
mircea_popescu: eh, everything with these faggots is about putting on a show.
asciilifeform: speaking of which, the show goes on, >> 'Russian intelligence officials made repeated contact' etc.
mircea_popescu: myeah. things are pretty simple : either peace with russia and therefore war with china ; or else bickering with russia while china continues to fatten unmolested.
mircea_popescu: the women's state very much wants the latter.
asciilifeform: 'Crimea was TAKEN by Russia during the Obama Administration. Was Obama too soft on Russia?' -- mr.t, twatter, today.
mircea_popescu: watch nobody on the left engage the point.
mod6: mornin'
asciilifeform: hey mod6
mircea_popescu: "he's black, of course he's retarded, you're supposed to not say anything about it" being the dem ideology.
asciilifeform: << in other dubious wtf's
asciilifeform: 'I spent a cold night huddled in a grimy kitchen, befogged with eye-watering quantities of cigarette smoke, while young PKK militants lectured me on the crisis of late capitalism and the American media's sexual exploitation of women.'
mircea_popescu: again with this ?
mircea_popescu: women aren't sexually exploited. this is THE problem of the west. wtf is wrong with the coolies.
asciilifeform: 'Franceschi was vague about his background, but wore a Mao pin, owned a fortune in Bitcoin and spoke seven languages, including Arabic and Kurmanji. With no military experience, he was sent to the front line, where Kurdish defenders were outnumbered perhaps five to one...'
asciilifeform: quite a yarn.
mircea_popescu: lol. i ran into a few "owned a fortune in bitcoin" dorks here, also.
mircea_popescu: apparently it's a very convenient narrative for the adolescent underclass. the mystery and intrigue of being mp seduces them.
mircea_popescu: anyway. judging by the orwellian reaction of the bedwetters, iraq has every chance of turning into a sort of 1920s spain.
mircea_popescu: must-have cv item.
mircea_popescu: !!up payphone
deedbot: payphone voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: 'Politically, though, rehab further radicalized him. "All I did was read books on far-left theory," he said. "I started to understand intellectually what I already understood emotionally."' << lelz
mircea_popescu: you know this is traditionally the female maturation process ? "with menopause i did some reading, finally understood my place as i had already spent my life in"
mircea_popescu: i had no idea it worked for men also.
shinohai: /set logger.level.irc 3
asciilifeform: shinohai: 'it works better if you plug it in'
asciilifeform: << ohnoez, PSEUDOSCIENCE!1111
mircea_popescu: didja see the "mental health care professionals warn" bit ?
mircea_popescu: i lulzed.
mircea_popescu: you know ?
mircea_popescu: "the country's mental health organisation".
mircea_popescu: it's not just "laws" in the style of "nobody read this 2k page pile of crap" ; it's not just "regulations", in the style of "whatever random czar and his bureaucracy came up with". there's a struggle to add a further red guard of the revolution! THE COUNTRY'S ORGANISATIONS!
mircea_popescu: "Silence from the country’s mental health organizations has been due to a self-imposed dictum about evaluating public figures (the American Psychiatric Association’s 1973 Goldwater Rule). But this silence has resulted in a failure to lend our expertise to worried journalists and members of Congress at this critical time. We fear that too much is at stake to be silent any longer." or in plain words, "we on the left are aga
mircea_popescu: inst rape for as long as the rapists are mostly on the right ; are against violence for as long as we're more likely to be on the receiving end ; and believe the goldwater rule should be respected at all times it prevents the ousting of a libertard!"
asciilifeform: 'attacking facts and those who convey them (journalists, scientists)' << gold
mircea_popescu: tru fax!
mircea_popescu: i mean, literally, that introduction is exactly on par with the misspelled "petition" linked earlier. "there is a rule agains what we're trying to do which is unfortunate (for the rule!) because we wanna do it anyway!"
mircea_popescu: basically the whole dynamic is, "child noticed adults tend to be rule-bound, is trying to get maxcake out of it"
mircea_popescu: and obviously since hacking kids up and feeding the remains to sewer rats is taboo, there's no need to consider anything along the lines of "bitch, that rule is there so your dumb ass may be excused from immediate slaughter"
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: the more i think of it the more i'm satisfied this is the ur-underpinning. once women manage to get the slaughter of children taboo-ified, all the rest of the rot flows from there.
ben_vulpes: > irc: client capability, server supports: account-notify extended-join identify-msg multi-prefix sasl
ben_vulpes: > irc: sasl authentication timeout
ben_vulpes: does *anything* work on freenode?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the nsa collector probably worx.
asciilifeform: (when the weather is calm)
ben_vulpes: at risk of boringly rehashing a point there is nothing to collect!
asciilifeform: tell it to ~them~.
ben_vulpes: my freenode password? give me a break
asciilifeform: as pointed out in the last thread, there may theoretically exist 1 or moar idiot who think 'pm' is s33kr1t etc.
mircea_popescu: more practically, there does exist "OUR COUNTRY'S INSTITUTIONS" etc.
mircea_popescu: if tomorrow cia dork makes up story about you sending who knows what over pm to who knows who, we'll laugh and they'll eat it up.
ben_vulpes: iono, aren't republicans in the habit of pasting lulzy pm logs?
mircea_popescu: gotta ugc all that ugc somehow!
asciilifeform: oh hey! noyade !
asciilifeform: '1. Install Docker. 2. Download the docker-compose.yml file to launch the ATSD Collector container bundle.' << lel
ben_vulpes: "how do you do delivery?" "we just package a whole linux, anything less than that is annoyingly complicated and we can't hire people who know how to do it"
ben_vulpes: anyways, linked for charts
ben_vulpes: docker just sidebar low dough lols
asciilifeform: 'linux'
ben_vulpes: you think the phb character knows or cares?
mircea_popescu: well manifestly not knows, as per above.
asciilifeform: elsewhere in monkeystan, >> 'In the late 1990s, the median home price in Washington was just over $150,000. Around 2000, however, prices began to rise, and in just five years, the median home price rose from $159,000 to $420,000.'
asciilifeform: in vintage lulz, >> 'Recurring universally unique identifiers (UUIDs), as reported by the smolt hardware profiler client program, had some worried about problems in the kernel RNG. As it turns out, the problem exists in the interaction between Fedora 8 LiveCD installations and smolt – essentially the UUID came from the CD – but it sparked a discussion leading to some
asciilifeform: possible improvements.'
mircea_popescu: such as taking out uuids permanently.
asciilifeform: if only.
asciilifeform: 'The read-only files uuid and boot_id contain random strings like 6fd5a44b-35f4-4ad4-a9b9-6b9be13e1fe9. The former is generated afresh for each read, the latter was generated once.' << what is the theoretically legitimate use for this ?
mircea_popescu: "if you're not a criminal you have nothing to hide"
ben_vulpes: oh we hate uuids now today?
mircea_popescu: i dun know we never didn't hate uuids.
mircea_popescu: we ever*
ben_vulpes: 'twas never explicit, but care to explain why?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "universal" anything breaks specificity of diddling.
mircea_popescu: there shall be no man-made universals. it's a heathen practice, and it is also inhuman. this means : no "global state" ; no "global id", not for women, not for their children, cows, computers, whatever other livestock.
mircea_popescu: and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: no "global money", which is what the idiocy of "scaling bitcoin for africa" is all about.
mircea_popescu: no "global alphabet" which is why utf may not exist. pretty much everything relates to this refusal of the golden calf.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'Politically, though, rehab further radicalized him. "All I did was read books on far-left theory," he said. "I started to understand intellectually what I already understood emotionally."' << lelz << What sort of shit rehab is that!
asciilifeform: relatedly vintage bernstein, >> ''Some people argued that randomness generation should be centralized--- whether in the OS or hypervisor or CPU---and fixed at that central location if it doesn't work properly. Other people argued that each library and application should defend itself against failures of the centralized mechanism. There actually seem to be three positions...''
mircea_popescu: as per the very apt asciilifeform observation, rng flux === tty flux. there should be one rng per human, more or less.
mircea_popescu: that's the proper degree of centralization.
asciilifeform was reading up on design & history of '/dev/random' and reeling at the lunacy of the very idea of multi-proggy rng pool
asciilifeform: it isn't much less ridiculous than ~multi-user~ one
asciilifeform: what i ~did~ find was a tremendous volume of deliberate, artful obscurantism, e.g. the german linked earlier.
asciilifeform: in other noose, i realized that is a bad idea.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-14 19:19 asciilifeform: specifically, for every byte you intend to send, you instead send two: x, y. which you generate by obtaining rng byte r, and payload byte b, and x := b xor r, y := r
asciilifeform: if enemy knows that a particular (x,y) come out to a block of, e.g., 0, (via known plaintext), he can store (x,y) for future use
asciilifeform: however what i do not know is whether it is a worse idea than ~block ciphers per se~ !
asciilifeform: because enemy can do this just as easily with, e.g., first two blocks (and iv) of AES-CBC.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'Buffett told Charlie Rose in a recent interview that he loaded up on $12 billion worth of stock since the election through the end of January.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is why you want large blocks. the odds of x, y recurring is given by the size of x and y
asciilifeform: of crapple stock.
mircea_popescu: well, 12 billion ~worth~ is a misnomer, but sure.
mircea_popescu: somebody gotta buy all the dumpage.
mircea_popescu: old man from omaha seems a perfect candidate.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the scheme i described, and using, e.g., serpent, the p of an (x,y) recurring is ~0
asciilifeform: (32 byte blocks)
asciilifeform: it still bothers me, for some reason, and currently trying to put finger on why
asciilifeform: maybe i simply hate voodoo ciphers.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, >> 'Nearly $1 billion is now frozen in European banks, awaiting a decision by a U.S. district court on the U.S. Justice Department’s forfeiture claim. The assets are subject to U.S. jurisdiction because they were transmitted through U.S. financial institutions on their way to accounts held in Latvia, the United Kingdom, Hong Kong, Ireland, Belgium,
asciilifeform: Luxembourg and Switzerland.'
asciilifeform: '“A really surprising thing about that letter is that the Uzbek civil society would rather the money go back to the treasury of any government, than go back to their own government,” Campbell said.'
asciilifeform: CIVIL SOCIETY!! didjaknow.
mircea_popescu: this notion that "subject to us jurisdiction because transmitted" is such lulz.
asciilifeform: 'if it ain't bolted down, it is subject to my jurisdiction' -- every thief ever
mircea_popescu: how about washington DC air is subject to russian jurisdiction because it was transmitted to its current position through russia.
mircea_popescu: check it out, they even call it us kleptocracy department! apt.
mircea_popescu: the numbers are lulzy though : 1trillion stolen from orclands ; 10x the aid inflowing.
asciilifeform: how else.
asciilifeform: occasionally you do hear of thief who drops wallet at the scene containing moar than he stole -- but this is rare.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the bs is pretty thickly laid out, apparently dude at the center of all this is usg agent who got 20mn to try and overturn the govt but then stole the money ? or somesuch
asciilifeform: 'Umarov was released to his family in Tennessee in 2009 thanks to high-level pressure from the U.S. State Department. The former oligarch turned political opponent is now one of the most prominent among many victims...' << lulzy
asciilifeform: apparently ukrtron misfired that time.
asciilifeform: some ukratronicist got stern talkin'-to.
mircea_popescu: seems like he was working for the great orange revolution movement.
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
asciilifeform: 'For one thing, Uzbekistan’s independent civil society has been decimated. Between 2004 and 2007, the government forced international organizations out of the country. ' << ohnoez!
asciilifeform: uppity orcses!
ben_vulpes: decent odds that cutting funding for abortion services abroad is just a prelude to cutting funding for * abroad.
ben_vulpes: "house of cards" pissed quite a few 'middle class' murkkans off.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: or plain rerun of bush-II-era bone thrown to the church, snoar.
ben_vulpes: church of woke or church of born again, water draining out of both buckets.
ben_vulpes: bone, prelude. or, or, or.
asciilifeform finds the ceremonial, null-summing back-and-forth components of usg political circus a mega-snore
ben_vulpes: the re-carving of territory up by the replacement right and replacement left could be interesting. not saying that it is yet, or that it mustest be, but that if it does transpire i will pop corn.
asciilifeform: '...- Polls /dev/random until it's available, then - Reads from /dev/urandom (the non-blocking interface) instead. Most of the code in this patch was lifted from libsodium, which already does this. Libsodium is ISC Licensed (by Frank Denis).'
asciilifeform: 'Scott Arciszewski Chief Development Officer Paragon Initiative Enterprises'
asciilifeform: that ml is chock-full of lulz btw.
mircea_popescu: their country's institutions have reached consensus.
ben_vulpes: "There’s no real thought about: what is the purpose of asset forfeiture? What is it designed to achieve?” said Kristian Lasslett, director of the Institute for Research in Social Sciences at Ulster University, who has been working to develop the emerging academic field of 'state crime'."
ben_vulpes: sovereignty gaaaames
ben_vulpes: challenge it on cultural diversity grounds: "baksheesh is how other cultures work, and this inane attempt to 'combat corruption' is really just thinly-disguised cultural imperialism justifying usg statal overreach"
ben_vulpes: "next you'll want to disband the tribes of the fertile crescent!"
ben_vulpes: owait.png
mircea_popescu: but yes, "fight against corruption" === "usg wants to steal your country"
mircea_popescu: that's the codeword for non-usg-compliant-orc : "corrupt".
mircea_popescu: makes sense on their twisted level, anyone who doesn't see the glory of the libertard revelation is either insane (trump) or else corrupt (if orc).
mircea_popescu: though they're trying to corrupt narrative with trump also. just, they're so deeply racist that they won't believe a "citizen" could possibly be anything but insane. sluggish schizophrenia ftw!
mircea_popescu: whereas an orc is necessarily corrupt, cuz dem niggers are stealing our womenz.
ben_vulpes: superior orc seed
mircea_popescu: anyway. the greeks are handling the postmodern soup a lot better than eg the germans.
ben_vulpes: how's that?
mircea_popescu: testament to how in a dictatorship the whore does a lot better than the engineer.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes because they essentially dedicate themselves to extraction out of the would-be bigman.
mircea_popescu: there's very little threat to greek national identity the dos can mount
mircea_popescu: whereas german, or japanese identity is i suspect forever lost at this point.
mircea_popescu: they'll never be anything more than a sort of mexicans, i can use them as cumrags but not as germans.
mircea_popescu: hitler remains a very instructive illustration of the pitfals of hatred. yes he did destroy the british empire. there's not now nor ever will be any future for the shitheads spawned by that miserable island. the cost however... there's no germany nor will likely ever be one again.
mircea_popescu: kinda why people tend to be cowardly in realpolitik. "yes i can nuke him, and that'll be the end of us both" sorta thing
ben_vulpes: "The real scandal here is that classified information is illegally given out by 'intelligence' like candy. Very un-American!" god i love realdonaldtrump
mircea_popescu: amusingly, this is 2010 trilema. recently making the rounds on reddit, and such.
ben_vulpes: the distribution of 'intelligence' by bureaucrats?
mircea_popescu: (yes, the problems of the us today played out in romania a decade ago, hurr durr).
mircea_popescu: i can fish out the exact article for you if you're curious.
ben_vulpes: mildly
ben_vulpes: was there bitching at the top about the selective leaking?
ben_vulpes: "Obamacare's markets are nearing failure as premiums climb and healthier individuals drop out" << did someone cancel the penalty for rolling uninsured or am i missing something here
trinque: he told the IRS to stop enforcing it, yeah
ben_vulpes: whoa wait how did i miss that
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i dunno, was top ticket in my week 1 argument with stan.
ben_vulpes: link?
ben_vulpes: worthwhile translation candidate?
mircea_popescu: it's hard ;/
ben_vulpes: phf: man once i got the simulator all wired up boy howdy was it nice to have unified keybindings for the mobile scutwork
ben_vulpes: appcode: no worse than xcode
ben_vulpes: and at the very least shares keybindings with intellij/android studio
asciilifeform: in other lulz, >> 'These games do not aim to make players feel successful and powerful as conventional video games do, and instead challenge people to look at the world in a different way. Creators of the games said they were more interested in showing the complicated lives of the people and places the world has left behind...'
asciilifeform: 'Conway, the game’s main character, is put through numerous tough situations that evoke economic despair. In one scene, after he suffers a serious injury, his leg is replaced by a gleaming skeletal prosthetic, and he is vaguely informed that he owes money to a corporation. In another, he descends into a subterranean whiskey distillery staffed by animated skeletons, whom he learns are doomed to
asciilifeform: toil endlessly for debts they can never repay.'
ben_vulpes: possible husseincare hack: sign up for 1 month of high-deductible, max out HSA contribution, discontinue insurance plan.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what does this do ?
ben_vulpes: pile up pre-tax dollars reserved for 'valid medical expenses' without incurring the insurance cost
asciilifeform: and what's to keep'em from magicking away the moneys?
ben_vulpes: which "them"?
ben_vulpes: hsa administrator or usg?
ben_vulpes: nothing as before
ben_vulpes: it's a bezzle hack asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: nothing compares to bitcoin we all know this
asciilifeform: 'bezzle hacks' typically work until plebes start doing'em
ben_vulpes: plebe's can't max out an hsa in one month, get real
ben_vulpes: plebes*
asciilifeform: what's 'max out' here? i slept in a cave, and have genuinely nfi
asciilifeform: 100 $ ? 1000? 1e6 ?
ben_vulpes: "health savings account" is an account into which someone on specific kinds of health insurance plans may deposit a maximum of 3 or 6ish shibux per annum
ben_vulpes: 3e3-6e3 as f(family size)
asciilifeform: aah pittance
asciilifeform: maybe worx then
ben_vulpes: still outta reach of plebs, and yes, pittance.
ben_vulpes: robust tax strategy is a wall of pittances.
ben_vulpes: entails*
mircea_popescu: this is altogether dubious as a theory.
asciilifeform: there was a mircea_popescu thread ! and possibly whole article also
asciilifeform: 'get rich by picking up pennies from asphalt' lulz
ben_vulpes: no getting rich here, just clawing back my pennies from the commies
ben_vulpes: "what income? this other business showed a perfectly-offsetting loss."
ben_vulpes: lest anyone get the wrong idea, i don't tend to pick fights with the irs.
asciilifeform: betcha ben_vulpes cashes in his glass bottles also...
asciilifeform: ( supposing this even exists in usa somewhere )
ben_vulpes: ouch, no
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i am fair miserly though
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's also a rather dubious strategy.
ben_vulpes: can't win!
mircea_popescu: understand that the system isn't there to fuck bahamas the imbecile nigger ; nor buffett the uberrich whiteboy.
mircea_popescu: the system is there to fuck you.
mircea_popescu: and it principally homes in the exact sort of middle class boy cleverness you discuss.
ben_vulpes: what's the second dubious strat? not picking fights with the irs?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i'm sitting here looking at fy 2016 during which it seems i paid approximately 2.47%, and this is before figuring in the easements from the women i own.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> "Obamacare's markets are nearing failure as premiums climb and healthier individuals drop out" << did someone cancel the penalty for rolling uninsured or am i missing something here << "Rolling uninsured" penalty is trivial compared to Obamacare subscription
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: sure, if you don't have taxable income
mircea_popescu: what you mean is, "if you're not trying to run a small business"
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, the utter dearth of "small businesses! young people!" verbiage in the tower of maga is perhaps the lulziest part of all this.
ben_vulpes: nono, instead we get "women executives"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc it maxed out at ~2k $. even if you were buffett.
asciilifeform: the penalty, that is.
mircea_popescu: "service economy" aka "we'll prosper through doing each other's laundry, babysitting each other's kids and drawing things on each other's napkins" to be replaced by "maga economy" aka "we'll prosper through hipsters in haliburton hard hats" or wtf.
ben_vulpes: if it were "small businesses! young people!" the clamor for universal college debt jubilee would be deafening
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: max was total annual premiums for a "bronze" plan
mircea_popescu: they actually call it that ?
mircea_popescu: side question : do you get to sniff the plan ?
ben_vulpes: it's a scratch-and-sniff
mircea_popescu: !~google bronze sniffing
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Abnormal Botlane: Sniffing Bronze moments - YouTube: <>; Bronze Foxes - Scully & Scully: <>; Austrian Bronze Sniffing Fox Figurine | fox love | Pinterest: <>
mircea_popescu: hm apparently this dun exist in anglo ?
mircea_popescu: !~google aurolacii
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Black - Zet Feat. Teakă - Aurolacii (Cassette) at Discogs: <>; De ce sufla aurolacii in pungi? - Forumul Softpedia: <>; aurolacii si passat_ul(b31uzzi) - YouTube: <>
ben_vulpes: what is this 'bronze sniffing'?
mircea_popescu: aurolac = instabronze, which is what ro urchins sniff.
ben_vulpes: ah 'huffing'?
mircea_popescu: iirc it was plain glue + toluene + aluminum dust.
ben_vulpes: whoa gross
mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure it's toluene because of the tell-tale parasympathetic lesions leading to loss of ability to regulate body heat in abusers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: about when did this come into fashion?
mircea_popescu: depends. became a niche thing pre 70s ; otherwise during the 90s
mircea_popescu: there's that picture of the naked kid sniffing from a bag in bucharest cca 2000 that gave it iconic status
asciilifeform: because i have a distinct memory of a piece re 'sniffing' being wholly unknown until popularized by a certain nyt piece (wholly fabricated 'threat-or-menace?' hackjob)
mircea_popescu: but it's self limiting enough that it never was as fashionable as i dunno, raising cats.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Huffing has been a thing since sad man first found petroleum seep
BingoBoingo: Just NYT made it more popular in 1990's
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sniffing technological solvents is never going to be fashionable in the ipad sense for obvious reasons.
mircea_popescu: i know the specs and etc because it was in the management class, workforce hazards.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile workforce became you know, "in charge of its own destiny", consequently sniffs the hazards voluntarilt.
asciilifeform: i've found 0 mentions in print dated prior ~1970, in any language. but then again i did not dedicate life to searching for this atlantis.
mircea_popescu: quite the world.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was a thing in the sense gayness was a thing. before the boring lametards got their grubby culturally appropriative hands on it, meausred in ppm but present.
asciilifeform: plenty of descriptions of every conceivable type of buggery remain from ~all times and places for which we have text at all
mircea_popescu: really ? what you got from 1950 ?
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: where do i read about petrosniffers pre-70s
mircea_popescu: that's my point. post ww2 there's very marked silence-post-centralisation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: j.e.hoover's papers alone
mircea_popescu: well yes but sniffing solvent and writing on paper are rather mutually exclusive.
asciilifeform: the witnesses write?
mircea_popescu: the text is useless, but the images authentic.
asciilifeform: looks to be re modern-day?
mircea_popescu: decade ago or so. anyway, it's a subculture, inconsequential as it may be. in certain ways infinitely more authentic than the alternative interpretations.
asciilifeform: in other 'news' -- 'modern watergate' etc. 'woman state' will remove mr.t, seems quite clear. even as a figurehead, too much of an irritant
mircea_popescu: i'm kinda curious how this plays out myself.
ben_vulpes: let us not forget how committed you were to "can not possibly win, clitler and lizards would never stand for it" you were, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there is no time bound on 'clitler wins'
mircea_popescu: well, he likes to play the roll-up. win one, get to have been right all along :D
ben_vulpes: good grief
mircea_popescu: win symbolically, win eventually, win ironically, just as long as it's win!
ben_vulpes: unfortunately, without skin in the game the man can keep "doubling down" forever.
mircea_popescu: ikr ? pretty cool loophole he found there.
trinque: anybody who fancies an interesting life might prefer he gets removed
trinque: it'll piss the people who voted him in off quite a bit.
asciilifeform: win in the concrete sense of obummery continuing ad infinitum
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah, i wouldn't particulartly mind seeing the answer to that riddle play out
ben_vulpes: anyways, asciilifeform is there a particular thing you're citing or just "moi moi, uber alles"?
mircea_popescu: "is there such a thing as a white man left in the new world ? or did the redskins totally eat the colonists"
trinque: if they did nothing after, piss on them; they aren't people
trinque: aha
asciilifeform: trinque: recall the oregon uprising thread ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's funny how "winning" works out. white man went to new world to make the local idiots stop sucking. much like iraq today.
trinque: asciilifeform: you need to go travel the parts of the country you consider "fly over" before we continue the thread
mircea_popescu: in the end... the stupid side of the planet ended up dragging them to its own level.
mircea_popescu: who knows how many before ?
asciilifeform: trinque: let me know where to buy airplane ticket for, where, e.g., irs doesn't work
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pick any large down ; go downtown. irs doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: go to bucharest, talk to the guy depicted. no irs in those gutters.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand , trinque was speaking of usa locales
mircea_popescu: alrighty. los angeles. roxbury, since i just mentioned it. pittsburg.
mircea_popescu: you name it.
mircea_popescu: if it's got brownstone, irs dun work there.
trinque: didn't the oregon militia people get off anyway?
asciilifeform: if yer white and with net worth denominated wholly in irstronium -- mega-surprise, irs works in antarctica. and on pluto.
trinque: aside the guy they shot, and iirc it was *one* guy that died
mircea_popescu: one died the rest walked iirc.
mircea_popescu: kinda how enforcement works at that level.
trinque: waco to letting 'em walk in two decades
trinque: progress!
mircea_popescu: "there's nothing we can do but we realloy really wanna do something so we'll accidentallty shoot one".
trinque: I recall having a neighbor from $southernshithole a while back
trinque: guy roughed up a girl he liked so he carved his lungs out
trinque: cops let him skip town
trinque: "irs didn't work" there
trinque: asciilifeform: there are people you've never seen in your life
asciilifeform: it also dun work for jon corzine
asciilifeform: (granted i never met him in the meat either.)
asciilifeform: or that saudi prince d00d.
mircea_popescu: yes but fewer of these.
asciilifeform: there are plenty of interesting folx i never met, trinque . but meeting them does not magically turn anyone into them.
mircea_popescu: i would offer it as a fact that there's more people within the contiguous 51 states (bahamas addedone, what!) on whom the irs dun work than there's webdevelopers.
asciilifeform: quite likely
asciilifeform: btw i suspect this is where the real bile re 'invading mexican' comes out of.
mircea_popescu: lafond makes a great point at some point, that "violence" in the millitant style the us represents it as is principally a product of the second sons of a favoured class.
asciilifeform: from the humblest retail monkey to the dourest engineer, folx paid in irstronium can agree to hate the paperless d00d who has nfi that tax even exists.
mircea_popescu: this is entirely correct, "black thug" is generally the neglected son of a respectable black accountant with an earned college degree.
mircea_popescu: similarily, the "invading mexican" is the son of a woman who moved there in the 50s barefoot and married the police chief.
mircea_popescu: so yes, it's a class warfare thing. two heads of the aspirational hydra - one that aspires through "stem" and the other that aspires through "business".
asciilifeform: ~all adventurers are 'second sons', i thought this was elementary
mircea_popescu: in between sucking their cock for coke bumps, there's nothing the ironic cumrags from wellesley agree more heartedly about than how lame business majors are.
mircea_popescu: the same dynamic repeats, yes, the dorky kids who took programming class hate the jocky kids who took fast and furious on tv.
mircea_popescu: "it was supposed to be my pie in the sky and now you're eating it!"
mircea_popescu: the only way a pie in the sky can even be eaten in the first place is this.
asciilifeform: american 'academia' and 'business' differ only cosmetically
asciilifeform: largely identical pyramids.
mircea_popescu: hence the hatred.
ben_vulpes: in other amazings interpellating me on the way to the train:
trinque: legalize flying cars fuck yes, about time
asciilifeform: gotta legalize antigrav first
asciilifeform: firstthingsfirst.
mircea_popescu: legalize getting killed.
hanbot: what's the proper name to ascribe to this super fun phenomenon wherein trb node happily catches up on blocks until 99.x% and then drops connections and stops seeing new blocks after <10mins?
mircea_popescu: blackholed ?
hanbot: i assumed that entailed eventual unblackholing. granted i haven't had the patience to wait more than a day to see.
trinque: might be interesting to collect some wireshark packets while this is going on.
trinque: and to look at those alongside your log
mircea_popescu: large project this, but yeah.
mircea_popescu: i suspect one willing to live a monk's year with this might end up with a handful of servers inside ft meade in his hands.
mircea_popescu: spinoza sort of job though.
mod6: shinohai: hey, thanks!
asciilifeform: hanbot: first apply the basic litmus: does the thing eat rpc commands while blackholed ?
asciilifeform: (if answer is no --> thing is choking on long-verify-and-dud blox from somewhere. find out from where.)
mod6: my test node gets bh'd all the time, still responds to rpc commands. i typically do the samething, stop. wait a bit, restart.
asciilifeform: mod6: that'd be the other kind of blackhole, aha.
asciilifeform: also note that if you built with malleus patch, you will be kickbanning prb peers as soon as they disgorge a prbism of any kind (e.g., 'bloom filter' command)
mod6: yup, i should add that I am running with malleus.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> also note that if you built with malleus patch, you will be kickbanning prb peers as soon as they disgorge a prbism of any kind (e.g., 'bloom filter' command) << Bloom isn't what disconnects most PRB nowadays. It is "BIP 151 compact blocks".
BingoBoingo enjoys the plot of every Tom Clancy novel playing out in role reversed fashion. Brave russians help patriotic Americans save nation from decades old KGB plot.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo has it.
BingoBoingo: Seriously fucking cultural marxism was THE soviet wunderwaffen. Putin is doing the world a service by trying to disarm it.
BingoBoingo: !~step8
jhvh1: 8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
mircea_popescu: no i meant re bip 151
BingoBoingo: Coding patch to simply say "no" to compact blocks and restore TRB/PRB communion would likely be trivial, BUT setting that precedent is impossibru
mircea_popescu: eh, not like they run any nodes anyway.
BingoBoingo: Still power rangers don't get to add faggy pinky stuff to node handshake.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they run enough nodes to be palpably annoying.
mircea_popescu: consumer + cloud junk
asciilifeform: btw folx, don't forget about my handy aws-banhammertron.
asciilifeform: worx wonders.
asciilifeform: incidentally i realized that, sadly, trb will need a (simple) patch in order to link via 'g'. from simple fact that, by default, it does not like to connect to
mircea_popescu: not the end of teh worlds.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1022.38, vol: 3983.27409306 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1004.736, vol: 4677.29534 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1024.4, vol: 7022.72149854 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1025.07, vol: 1271.51227339 | Volume-weighted last average: 1018.55100047
asciilifeform: in other lelz, >> 'U.S. intelligence officials have withheld sensitive intelligence from President Donald Trump because they are concerned it could be leaked or compromised, according to current and former officials familiar with the matter.'
mircea_popescu: this'd be a hanging offense wouldn't it.
asciilifeform: theoretically.
BingoBoingo: !~google "navy seal" "trump flag"
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Navy SEALs caught flying Trump flag on Humvee - The San Diego ...: <>; Navy SEAL convoy spotted flying 'unauthorized' Trump flag: <>; A special warfare unit was spotted flying a Trump flag in public. Now ...: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: but they pulled on his balls -- and afaik they came right off.
asciilifeform: vizier -- thrown to the vultures.
mircea_popescu: let's not overstate flynn lel. bannon's teh vizier. so far he outranks cia on the nsc.
asciilifeform: i'd picture that he is next 'ru stooge' then.
mircea_popescu: as i said, it's fun to watch.
asciilifeform: for 'special investigatory commission' to remove.
mircea_popescu: beats the superbowl at any rate.
asciilifeform: '“This is not about who won the election. This is about concerns about institutional integrity,” said Mark Lowenthal, a former senior intelligence official.'
mircea_popescu: anyway. certainly not "next". they've been whining about him since day one, he'd have been 1st, 2nd and 100th, if only could. but the noise is soundly muted out of apparent desperation.
asciilifeform: the last d00d who has this problem, AND solved it 100% -- was stalin. in '37.
BingoBoingo: This year's superbowl was rare good game, and Trump/Brady won in the end
asciilifeform: 'institutional integrity' folx : 1. mr.t : 0. so far.
trinque: no denying flynn was a "rein in teh shadow state" guy, and got popped
asciilifeform: trinque: the correct response would be top 500 of cia org chart found hanging on meat hooks. and afaik no report of this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude that is like the most inept scoring i ever saw. for one thing, trump scored like 500 touchdowns. for the other, srsly flynn is half a point.
mircea_popescu: get out of here with this dumb shit, you're the equivalent of the prison bitch who "prison bitch : 1 ; prison system : 0" because asshole already loose anyway.
mircea_popescu: and if you're going to count flynn, then "some judge" is worth about what, 72 points and three superbowl nipples ?
asciilifeform: how many judges removed by mr.t to date ?
mircea_popescu: all of them, +/-.
mircea_popescu: us president stated on the record that us federal judge is inept and not to be taken seriously.
mircea_popescu: what more can you want ?
asciilifeform: meathooks.
asciilifeform is simple man.
mircea_popescu: i don't see flynn on any meathooks. be consistent.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, gotta make meathook factory first
mircea_popescu: inconsistent simplicity is indistinguishable from wilful stupidity.
asciilifeform: i'd guess that if he doesn't end on a meathook, it is because he is willing to follow instructions.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hecho en mexico!
trinque: no shit huh? now they know how to meathooks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not guess the same but the other way ? "i never made a budget in a public institution, but if i had i'd know you always overprovision so the '''watchdogs''' can cut something and feel useful. i guess flynn was that."
asciilifeform: balloon ballast?
mircea_popescu: fits flynn better than "vizier" at any rate.
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