mircea_popescu: mother is displeased with trinque 's comment.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathendom lint trap, https://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=44356
mircea_popescu is working on yet another fetlife lulzpiece.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform back in 2016 we might've even seen it, i think.
asciilifeform: still getting hits via $item, left'em a comment
mircea_popescu: i suspect, by the way, that the web offers at least one useful number :
mircea_popescu: if you calculate the shelf life of pages by language space, as an average, you can actually meaningfully compare languages as cultural tools.
mircea_popescu: say the average page in english is obsolete in 6 days and in russian in 8 days ? well....
asciilifeform: in anglostan net, ~vanished more or less completely
mircea_popescu: imo the best indicator of how culturally nil the pigdin is.
mircea_popescu: or w/e, if you prefer in-universe terms, "diverse", "aware", "inclusive" etc.
asciilifeform: i thought about giving the www ui a ru variant, but really even very basic 'year of eng in primary school' orc oughta be able to work it as-is
mircea_popescu: imo nothing wrong with using english AS LONG AS ITS NOT A FIRST LANGUAGE.
asciilifeform: as first lang, apparently it ~= lead poisoning
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, very amusing circumstance : ran into teen girly, daugther of korean mother, who only speaks english, but speaks it WITH ACCENT.
mircea_popescu: prior to this encounter only had theoretical model of such wonder via... what is it you call the theory ?
asciilifeform: which theory
mircea_popescu: that language influences thought.
mircea_popescu: you fished some name from teh scholarly tradition, which i now don't recall.
asciilifeform: sapir & whorf
asciilifeform: this'd be, tho, if $chix spoke kr, and thereby 'thought like kr'
mircea_popescu: nah. wolf kid.
asciilifeform: right. so, thinks-like-wolf ?
mircea_popescu: the empirical observation of degrees of wolfness supports the theory.
mircea_popescu: language isn't innate, but acquired, is the fundamental point really.
asciilifeform: well noshit
mircea_popescu: hey. most of the "disputes" consist of ~same shit.
asciilifeform: if were innate, would have plague of walkers who haven't any command of any language..
mircea_popescu: this is the case now, also. they however ~appear to~. you ever saw http://trilema.com/2017/il-merlo-maschio/ btw ?
asciilifeform: dun think so
asciilifeform: covers subj ?
mircea_popescu: superficially, it's a vehicle for exploiting laura antonelli's tits.
mircea_popescu: but it is notable because it includes, to my knowledge the best on film, model of the deffectively insane.
asciilifeform: interestingly, imho in ru space substantially fewer walkers who approximate human speech while being wolf.
mircea_popescu: fellow in there ~seems~ to be functional human, but is throughout thorouigh nutcase. in this exact sense, "this cpu only has half the registers and can only nop ?!"
mircea_popescu: yet italian supports him mightily in his otherwise doomed quest to appear human to the other humans.
mircea_popescu: his wife, his doctor, his director, etc.
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER... none of them can remember his name. because, see, he can't have one, because, see, he fails most of the handshakes. but nobody notices, because... he speaks italian.
asciilifeform: i suppose it's possible that this exact scenario plays out in ru net, and asciilifeform is effectively fooled
mircea_popescu: eventually finds his place (unsurprisingly, @insane asylum).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this exact scenario plays out a lot more than anyone reading ever realised before reading.
asciilifeform: in 'vhs' anglostan there was proverb, 'lights are on but no one is home'
mircea_popescu: just about. anyway, i include the film in noob psychologists' training. which is how i reviewed recently.
mircea_popescu: to be perfectly clear, girly wasn't impaired, she just spoke what it happens to be she had heard. not of within, but of without, which is the point.
mircea_popescu: if you teach your kid your second language the kid's gonna speak it with your accent, and if you teach them english they're gonna think english thoughts rather than "their" thoughts and so following.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, am i the only one fascinated by the history of dyes ?
mircea_popescu: it's very much a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712682 item ; in that it has organized a lot of the cognitive history of the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries in technical fields.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 19:34 mircea_popescu: you know what a faberge egg is for instance ?
mircea_popescu: almost seems like a sort of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaperonin#/media/File:4xcg.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only 1. history of dyes ~= history of chem industry, for ~century
asciilifeform: btw hilarious trilema headerpic today
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what was #lrh ?
asciilifeform: large radron hallider ?
mircea_popescu: nah that radio show thing w/e it was
asciilifeform: oh hm the 'pirates' thing ?
mircea_popescu: i think. i dunno, i just picked it off this very chan i think.
mircea_popescu: seemed lulzy at the time.
asciilifeform: ( speaking of which, if anyone never seen one, a microwave dummy load is impressive item, picture breadbox-sized cast al hedgehog with coax plug thicker than man's thumb )
mircea_popescu: o ya.
Mocky: sounds like a bill murrray, dan aykroyd "don't cross the streams" item
mircea_popescu: but to continue http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1841967 : it's also a red thread particularly productive through the hermeneutic method. "why did the greeks care about the columns" type of inquiries work quite well, "why did someone like say heinrich caro dedicate a decade of his life to turkish red ?"
a111: Logged on 2018-08-16 15:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only 1. history of dyes ~= history of chem industry, for ~century
mircea_popescu: one of course has to even learn wtf alizarin is, in the process. but then again that is the entire method.
mircea_popescu: "when you read a text and can distinguish the absurdities it contains from the actual sense, you may claim you have an anachronistic understanding of the matter ; but when you read the text and clearly see the ~necessity~ of the absurdities, their fundamentally-required-ness, and the circumstantialness of the sense, you may claim meaningful understanding of the item" as the witticism goes.
mircea_popescu: as it turns out, absurdity undergirths human thought, as a sort of rebar.
asciilifeform: without history of organikism, impossible to grasp e.g. http://trilema.com/2013/der-untergang/#selection-49.235-49.527 thread
asciilifeform: ( interestingly, i was able to excavate ^ item with some effort + ddg, but ~not~ google )
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1841925 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1841926 aside from being unable to argue against (as *victim*), the observation seems to have limited usefulness: can't change someone's first language. you could stop speaking it and stop looking for signs of life among its speakers, but neither of you seem to be doing this!
a111: Logged on 2018-08-16 14:03 mircea_popescu: imo nothing wrong with using english AS LONG AS ITS NOT A FIRST LANGUAGE.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-16 14:04 asciilifeform: as first lang, apparently it ~= lead poisoning
mircea_popescu: Mocky you could just as well take a woman or two and become mellifluous i mean multifluent.
mircea_popescu: contrary to what you might read into that, romanian also makes you fucking stupid. different kind, discussed at length on trilema though. divide & impera amirite, let the idiocy fight idiocy.
Mocky: so then "first langauge" less an issue than "only language"? so multi fluency
Mocky: s gonna chelate some fo that lead?
mircea_popescu: but in general, you want multiple languages for the exact reason you want multiple women, or shoes. howsoever comfortable, howsoever good, useful, proper, right, you name it, if you always use the same pair of shoes they'll become unseemly.
mircea_popescu: if you have $100, it's way better to buy two $40 pairs and a girl a drink than to blow the wad on a $100 pair of shoes.
Mocky: i can see that argument, but it completely sidesteps the "first language" claim
mircea_popescu: how do you explain most english speakers suffer from the turkish idiocy (or, manchuko idiocy, if you prefer), where they fail to learn other languages ?
mircea_popescu: italians naturally learn german, germans not so naturally. there's a fundamental problem with germanic languages ; and if one follows the tree, that problem is best realised in fino-ugric group.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 14:55 mircea_popescu: there's this joke in romania that "if you hear a hungarian speaking foreing languages you're looking at a jew".
mircea_popescu: tu quoque, have spent time and effort doing all sorts of things with your life, none of which are bad or wrong per se. yet it never occured to you "must learn language" in any effectual sense. this'd be a natural occurence though, wouldn't you say ? what disocurred it for you ? how come you went in all the rooms in the palace but one ?
mircea_popescu: ~that~ would be the "lead poisoning" rather than some sort of mystical, unexaminable, forever-opressive miasma. it's just the simple thing, "hey, axototl, no tail ?" "yeah... no iodine where i live..."
Mocky: i'm not in a position to say!
mircea_popescu: hehe alright.
Mocky: it did occur to me. went to the dominican republic some years ago for a summer, started learning spanish. but had no use for it back in the states
mircea_popescu: see ?
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem with "happy" families is that they provide no intrinsic reason for offspring to "seek fortune" (as in the fairtyale trope).
deedbot: http://ave1.org/2018/annotated-assembly-code-for-a-boot-record/ << ave1 - Annotated Assembly Code for a Boot Record
mircea_popescu: ahhh this guy.
mircea_popescu goes to read.
Mocky: i do see it now actually, yes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is the whole talk-to-kbd the replacement triple-fault to switch modes or whart ?
mircea_popescu: ave1 you know it's a pleasure to revisit my childhood in your company.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu reads veryveryquickly, i still gotta eat $subj
mircea_popescu: it's easy to read fast when you don't understand anything.
asciilifeform: oh i think it's a chew-through of asciilifeform's traditional bootsect
asciilifeform: ( written circa '07 or so )
mircea_popescu: it is yes.
a111: Logged on 2015-08-02 22:53 asciilifeform: for instance, the 'a20 gate' is almost certainly not actually implemented in your chipset
asciilifeform: ( it to this day is req'd , to turn on the 1MB addr line on pc ! because shitsandwich. )
mircea_popescu: aha. but i vaguely recall, from my days of doing this 2decades+ ago, that the way to put processor from real to protected mode or back was a triple fault
mircea_popescu: which i presume is WHY the gdr table is still 0 on 1st entry
mircea_popescu: except i don't see the faulting code anymoar.
asciilifeform: long gone is the intel 8042 chip; the idjicy lives on.
ave1: I never looked into this in the 90s and now I have too learn
asciilifeform: 1 interesting detail is that you can get away with skipping certain parts of the incantation, on certain iron
asciilifeform: but if you want a thing that runs on 100% of x64 boxen, incl. vm/emulators, you end up with whole song.
mircea_popescu: ave1 in my mind, this sort of elaborate incantatorial nonsense is why i nodded along at alf's screaming for new procs historically.
mircea_popescu: tbh i don't think anyone at all familiar with the functioning of hardware init can propose the tradition is worth continuing with a straight face.
asciilifeform: the tricky part is not the baking of sane arch -- a latrine cleaner from calcutta could prolly come up with a better one than intel. the tricky bit is to avoid replay of the history.
asciilifeform: ave1: i have nfi where e.g. 'line 47' is, all of your line #s are mangled
asciilifeform: i'ma guess it was re : inc dword [d_lba] , and it gets inc'd because it's the read position marker .
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1841997 << the otherwise-invisible failure to implement anything even approaching intelligence augmentation (or even the statistical AI crap) is never so obvious as when translating works in other languages on the touchscreendevices: why does 'iBooks' waste all of this time animating between the french and english translations of the book i'm working on; how is there after
a111: Logged on 2018-08-16 15:56 mircea_popescu: italians naturally learn german, germans not so naturally. there's a fundamental problem with germanic languages ; and if one follows the tree, that problem is best realised in fino-ugric group.
ben_vulpes: all this time no auto-interlineated de toqueville; and on and on
ben_vulpes: turns out, absolutely no replacement for a large desk and several dictionaries
mircea_popescu: i manage quite well with digital lookup in dictionary flatfiles, but i suspect familiarity has a lot to do with it.
ben_vulpes began the exercise as a form of entertainment during a road trip recently; "hey baby what do you think of this translation" "what does X mean in context of Y"
mircea_popescu: (perseus incidentally makes the value of digital dict quite apparent ; they have linked word frequency counts, very good collations of multiple dict/thesauri etc)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm still waiting to ever see a dict like perseus for living langs
mircea_popescu: i'd go as far as to say they set a standard.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed. thing is, last thinking men in english retreated in greek. amusing how this went.
ben_vulpes: trinque flagged whitaker's words for me as a latin dictionary (an ada artifact even!)
trinque: that thing's lovely
mircea_popescu: you should prolly publish this.
ben_vulpes: which you, what this lol
mircea_popescu: the flagged whitaker's words.
mircea_popescu: and the ada artifact.
trinque: yep, no guarantee it'll remain wherever I found it
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 15:07 trinque: speaking of relics, I just dug up WORDS
mircea_popescu: also no guarantee it doesn't spark who knows what in who knows who's head.
trinque will post
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the probable "cause" for there not being sane dict for living langs, you realise, is that there IS such a thing as a cannonical body of greek, but "who is to say what anglovomit does not make the cut".
mircea_popescu: see ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can take, idk, 1930s oxford dict, or whatnot
asciilifeform: this is solvable problem
mircea_popescu: learning languages, also solvable problem.
mircea_popescu: you were discussing it not being solved.
mircea_popescu: an' i betcha it's because they "don't feel" it "fair" to ~exclude~ anything. rendering any count impossible. which is very much the point.
asciilifeform: 'not solved' is not quite it. sanding parquet is also 'solved problem' even with hands and sand paper. but i'd rather have electric cycler.
ben_vulpes: kids would rather sit around the table gabbling about whatever problems 0.00003% of the population have instead of sitting down and reading old shit about universals as what apply to 99.99% of the population
mircea_popescu: the fact that anglotard english "does not have a cannonical body of works", the necessary result of "ameritards stole england's language but had no room in pocket for culture", resulted as it has in "no great american novel" makes it impossible for engl dept to see what classical lang dept did and do it one better.
ben_vulpes: 'haskellism' thread for those who mighta got something out of socrates.
asciilifeform: ave1: re a20 'ret' -- pretty sure i nuked it when was cutting irrelevant cruft off the thing for orig publication
asciilifeform: interesting that it still ran.
mircea_popescu: interesting is one word for it...
mircea_popescu: do you realise it runs by flag, somehow ?
asciilifeform: well all it means is that the chip where i tested, does the out 0x64, ... from 1st shot
asciilifeform: and we lose 2 byte of stack space.
mircea_popescu: i guess. this may be even worth looking into.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it dun fire, generally switch into longmode dun go.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1842067 << But we do have cut offs for when the potential American canon ends. 1910 in the general case and 1898 in the African American case.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-16 16:38 mircea_popescu: the fact that anglotard english "does not have a cannonical body of works", the necessary result of "ameritards stole england's language but had no room in pocket for culture", resulted as it has in "no great american novel" makes it impossible for engl dept to see what classical lang dept did and do it one better.
asciilifeform: i never wrote ave1-style article re subj, cuz depressingly loathesome crud, approx as interesting as ms winblowz api
mircea_popescu: evidently made by the same people, too.
asciilifeform: of course same.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why 1898 ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's when Alexander Crummel died. Was a black nationalist who worked on making a black zion in Liberia, put skin into the game, mourned the results.
mircea_popescu: i c
BingoBoingo: Anything after that including Kim's husband has to fall into the general case
asciilifeform: 'Note that even in REAL mode the 32bit registers are available.' << they are, with prefix opcode . i wrote various msdosisms that way.
asciilifeform: aka 'unreal mode'
asciilifeform: unfortunately yer still stuck with segments, there
asciilifeform: ( on some x64 chips, can even get '64b unreal', but not reliable )
asciilifeform: ave1: if you're interested, i'll post the kernel loader at some pt, but you can easily write own, exercise.
asciilifeform: somewhere i also have a pci bus init turd, etc
asciilifeform: and a (nonworking) rt nic driver, and fuckknows what else.
asciilifeform: as for uart, pretty sure that it's in the logs, posted a while back.
asciilifeform: really you can make a x64 box do useful work, with just boot sect + kernel loader + uart.
asciilifeform: ( ffa in particular , only needs a stack, and 2 uarts, 1 for commands, 1 for FUCKGOATS ... )
BingoBoingo: The whole crummel story is lulzy. Pan African runs over to Liberia in 1853 to raise a Christian Republic... Returns to the US in fear of the ascendant Liberian mulatto caste.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo possibly worth writing.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/new-zealand-bans-sale-of-homes-to-foreigners/ << Qntra - New Zealand Bans Sale Of Homes To Foreigners
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Imma prolly have to do that in light of the parallels to Brazillian history.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re qntra $item -- seems like they have similar laws in europistans, e.g. ro
asciilifeform: no eu passport, no buy
asciilifeform: hence the old thread where 'omfg , 20k usd for castle, why no one buys'
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 15:15 asciilifeform: whole thing quite resembles the 'silver coin glued to the asphalt' everyone encounters in childhood
asciilifeform: i've nfi why anybody with actual moneys would think of moving to 'five eyes' nz tho.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, lots of places have similar deals. The point is all those silicon valley pantsuits who thought they had an out. Waiting for their paper to carry them across the Pacific so they could retire to Pokemon Go and hobbit fucking in New Zealand, except... The window closed on them.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they'll have to shell out a mil or so for new passport, so what.
asciilifeform: not as if this were serious dough to sv pantsuit.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They needed that million to bid against the Chicoms
asciilifeform: for comparison, ro passport was 800k or so, last i saw
BingoBoingo: And German comes with a stipend if you convert to Islam
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: gotta also spraypaint yer skin, lol
BingoBoingo: Nah, naked sunbathing works
ben_vulpes: there's always the jail stiped if you fly over and then turn tail
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i think that's only in usa
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pretty sure the brits do it too
asciilifeform: elsewhere they stuff you into the next plane back to anglostan
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in east europistan, you can walk around ~forever with expired visas, nobody gives half a shit until/unless you try to officially register something
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that was always the case afaik.
asciilifeform: ( iirc problem happens if you come out and then try back in )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i mean the 'fly to terristostan, come home, get apprehended for aiding and abetting'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: just write that yer flying to get yer niece declitted, they'll wave you through..
asciilifeform not yet been to dar al islam, cannot comment on how much paper headache
mircea_popescu: not much
mircea_popescu: iirc trilema even published some real estate paperwork from my stay there
asciilifeform: well , notmuch for mircea_popescu , but possibly moar for anglozeks
mircea_popescu: possibry. they did not like anglos much.
mircea_popescu: fucking loved me, though.
asciilifeform: angloproblems typically happen back home.
asciilifeform: anglogulag dun have a wire fence , it is 'guarded by taiga'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how come yer still in usa, anyway ? i thought you finally cut the tether a while back
mircea_popescu: he's, by all appearances, being digested.
asciilifeform: that suxx
ben_vulpes: got lured into a bezzle
mircea_popescu: started in duodeniscadia, moved through cardia into washingtomach, now being excreted into texasbowel.
asciilifeform: aa the good sort of digested
mircea_popescu: i just hope the anus isn't mexico city
mircea_popescu: as all satmaps indicate.
asciilifeform: what's wrong with mexicocity ?
ben_vulpes: juarez is right there
mircea_popescu: other than being the intercontinental asshole you mean ?
asciilifeform: hard to picture a dourer arsehole than where asciilifeform is
mircea_popescu: that's just a tumour. anal pore something else.
ben_vulpes: less blue hair and fewer kilts as i move through the digestive tract
ben_vulpes: ain't complaining
ben_vulpes: haven't even heard a peep about putting trans rights into the corporate handbook in at least three years!
BingoBoingo: The problem with Mexico is the strong government that either might not like you or might decide to have fun with your holes
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: here , no kilts, just cardboard houses, decaying roads, 10bux/hr parking, and limba de lemn
mircea_popescu: 2bux/hr here. even moar expensive in ppc terms.
mircea_popescu: locals are lucky if they get 10-15k pa.
ben_vulpes: sadly, am peristalted into cardboardhouse bigzone
BingoBoingo: Parking here expensive as well
ben_vulpes: cars are expensive, what of it
ben_vulpes: cult of motor is not for poorfags
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall, usa is this peculiar gulag that's ~unnavigable w/out auto
asciilifeform: it aint optional
ben_vulpes: is auto optional in cr?
asciilifeform: you'll find rusted tubs on the road that look like they belong in havana, owner changes hydraulic oil ~daily, but keeps the thing going , if he can't make rent he'll live in the tub, not having the tub is not option if you like eating
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: CR has orcycles
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: but for humans
BingoBoingo: gold plated helicopters?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes not really. ~only place auto is optional would be yurp.
ben_vulpes: ~only place builtup pre auto, not surprising
asciilifeform: there's a reason, i guess, why eu passport is 800k.
ben_vulpes: and while the uncleals are convinced it'll be highway maintenance that blows a crater in the usg budget, i have high hopes that the heavy metal poisoning from 'vape pen' use will eclipse it by a few orders of magnitude
mircea_popescu: afaik it's not even a "is x". if you're willing to spend some dough, like, buy a house or something, you can have it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunno where this worx, in current ro is catch22
mircea_popescu: how so ?
asciilifeform: no passport, no title
asciilifeform: iirc we had thread
mircea_popescu: you register company, you have company receive some dough, which it can use however it pleases, such as buying you a dozen cars or a piece of real estate or w/e, then you use that for right of stay and eventually passport.
mircea_popescu: or could just marry a local hussy.
asciilifeform: iirc they also have variant where you sit in rented flat for 10y.
asciilifeform: to same effect
asciilifeform: i was speaking of human timescales, rather than 'the king may die, the horse may die' ones
mircea_popescu: though might give you history / lang test, i dun recall
asciilifeform: that aint hard part for anybody with half a brain
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, what;s the rush ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to get the fuck off usg's tax rolls, say
mircea_popescu: that will never happen ; usg will forever pretend you owe it money no matter what
mircea_popescu: recall soviet jews ?
asciilifeform: there's pretend, there's collect, neh
mircea_popescu: leave the premises, let them collect
mircea_popescu: i got a buncha girlies in "default" about imaginary "debts".
mircea_popescu: they'll be collected upon sometime after i fuck ivanka.
asciilifeform: soon as i grow enuff brain to find how to eat without working for anglo-lame, i'ma do exactly as pictured
asciilifeform: ( admittedly 'eat' is broad concept for asciilifeform , includes 'microscopy budget' )
asciilifeform: !!up diana_away
deedbot: diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_away: thanks asciilifeform !
ben_vulpes: shed thirty years and three tonnes, do css on fiverr for bitdribbles
asciilifeform: diana_away: sunny mircea_popescustan ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: why stop there, i hear amoeba can live on <1cal/day
diana_away: yes; almost too hot atm
mircea_popescu: o check her out. how goes diana_away ?
diana_away: eeringly similar to Romania not so many years ago on various levels
diana_away: although the diminutive toyota sort-of-cars are funy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see ? women have advantage of slavery!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: couldn't disagree
asciilifeform: diana_away: seen ocelot yet ?
asciilifeform: or at least gekko
diana_away: asciilifeform: lol! so far made inventory of wind turbines on top of hill, huge butterflies and weird, coloured insects
diana_away: and coconuts + vendor on a sort of trike
asciilifeform intends to see mircea_popescustan some time this yr
mircea_popescu: diana_away tried a papaya yet ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interestingly, we have papaya here, flown from.. cr
mircea_popescu: i bet.
diana_away: mircea_popescu: I guess I'll give it another try, I never liked papaya; I do like those tiny bananas
mircea_popescu: gotta get it from the peasant guys rtho, supermarket fruit is ~ok.
asciilifeform: i'd also look for the 'dying hdd bird'
mircea_popescu: not season yet tho. blessfully.
asciilifeform: and meat of iguana
asciilifeform: hm i had nfi that mircea_popescustan had seasons
mircea_popescu: insects do lol.
asciilifeform: aa makes sense
asciilifeform: i'd imagine theirs would be 'sliding' tho, if the terrain has none
mircea_popescu: that whole genera is very time bound, has 7 year periods and whatnot
mircea_popescu: insect timekeeping, it's a weird thing. possibly sideral.
asciilifeform: they could even be synced to some migratory lifeform that hangs out where there ~are~ seasons
trinque: we've got the cicadas up this way too, astonishingly loud
asciilifeform: trinque: cicada month here, also, ear-splitting
asciilifeform: i was doing some work with a large tree, fulla'em
trinque: I like the alien little buggers
mircea_popescu: but they totally are fucking alien.
asciilifeform: they live, for, what, 20yr inside the earth..
trinque: sound like they oughta be able to eviscerate a man in swarm
mircea_popescu: depends on species, but yes, multiyear
asciilifeform: i was here for the 17-yr collision of three species, was unspeakably loud, as in firing-range loud
mircea_popescu: yes, this sort of thing happens, they have different periods so sometimes collide.
mircea_popescu: all-bugs day.
BingoBoingo: One of my university stints placed me in an emergence. pretty tasty critters.
asciilifeform: 'mana from heaven' lel
BingoBoingo: But you gotta sort em. Males are nothing but shells full of air for the noise making. Gotta eat the females
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yes, and uncannily ties in with prev thread..
asciilifeform: !!up diana_away
deedbot: diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!key diana_away
deedbot: Not registered.
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform obtained and testing a LTC3108 , 'energy harvester', they've become cheapo
asciilifeform: thing eats >=20mV , from wherever, and charges 4 1F 'supercaps'
asciilifeform: ( 'wherever' includes, e.g., pv panels glued to tritium glow tube, or peltier to iron stake, or even antenna, if convenient geography )
diana_away: lmao; totally noob
BingoBoingo: Congrats trinque on what appears to be the sync of your Pizarro node
ben_vulpes: haw someone just sent me an ad for a nylon "posture brace"; not that a brace is going to do anything for the lump of muscle developing at the base of millenial skulls from supporting their heads at a thirty-degree angle all day
ben_vulpes: the problem isn't your /posture/, kids, it's your /lifestyle/
ben_vulpes: head UP! tits OUT! hips TILTED BACK!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lol! as in https://paulaaleksandra.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/headclamp.jpg !?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: recall the hypertrophies of 19th c railroad men. 'so, don't work on the railroad, then!' ( oblig http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-19#1243116 )
a111: Logged on 2015-08-19 00:18 asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't actually know of this deformity
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you saw 'popeye' character, you've seen it
asciilifeform: ( picture d00d, thin as a matchstick, but 50kg top half )
trinque: BingoBoingo: indeed, thanks!
ben_vulpes: never skip leg day
trinque: about time I announced it, seems like
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/zOItL << openssh quasi-0day -- can enumerate machine users
ben_vulpes: hm lemonde blocks archive.is?
ben_vulpes: anyways, non-news https://www.lemonde.fr/addictions/article/2018/08/16/etats-unis-72-000-personnes-mortes-d-une-overdose-en-2017-un-record_5343199_1655173.html
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 13:28 asciilifeform: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170718/#143 << they're already 'eltsining' to death , with the good old bottle, no fancy dope needed necessarily
scriba: Logged on 2017-07-18: [05:45:01] <mircea_popescu> gotta cut the total male-years somehow, and chem cockcage prolly even cheaper than the steel item.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The fancy dope tends to cause less collateral damage when it works suddenly. When bottle takes suddenly usually a motor vehicle is involved
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sorta why usg is pushing eltsining-through-opium paradigm
BingoBoingo: Well, that and the opportunity to run the printing press and spread bezzel to favored lizards bringing back a number of them along the way
deedbot: accepted: 1
asciilifeform: congrats trinque
deedbot: http://trinque.org/2018/08/16/new-trb-node-at-1610121250/ << trinque - New TRB Node at 184.108.40.206
asciilifeform: trinque: out of curiosity, how long sync took ? ( and was it with 'aggression' ? )
trinque: I switched to aggression midway, after waiting months, and from there took a few weeks
trinque: before aggression, I saw long periods where it wasn't doing a damned thing
asciilifeform: is the expected picture, yes
trinque: mod6: ^ whenever you get a chance, got a new node for ya
mod6: trinque: ack
mod6: Thanks for letting me know.
asciilifeform: in other heathenlulz, '25 years of debian'
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/usg-sues-free-texas-radio-station-over-outlaw-broadcasting/ << Qntra - USG Sues Free Texas Radio Station Over Outlaw Broadcasting
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re qntra -- i was listening to that very station just last wk
asciilifeform: ( it , funnily enuff, was the ~only thing that could be heard here ! )
asciilifeform: or hm nm
asciilifeform: this wasn't his sw station
asciilifeform: but some local thing
asciilifeform: '90.1 frequency in Austin' << yea definitely not the sw.
asciilifeform: 'We expect that letters so addressed would more properly come from your company's International Bureau and then only after there's been some treaty of other discovered to which we are signators' << >> http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/#selection-163.0-163.589 ( & elsewhere lulz )
asciilifeform: !#s sovereign citizen
a111: 13 results for "sovereign citizen", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sovereign%20citizen
asciilifeform: ^ peculiarly-usaschwitz tradition, pretty much exactly like snake oil cures but for usg.bureaucratic problems
asciilifeform: upstack, the thing i find extralulzy re the shortrange/fm 'pirates', is that for no apparent reason, they refuse to use the most obvious anti-df pill -- multiple geographically-dispersed antennae operating b/w pi and 2pi out of phase
asciilifeform: easily raises cost of df 100x
asciilifeform: ( effect -- transmitter appears to fly )
jurov: asciilifeform: is it so easy to maintain the phase? i imagine that requires nanosecond precision clock or one central source with feed lines?
BingoBoingo: Precision clocks aren't too expensive if you aren't trying to fly them, but it's yet another thing to power
mod6: trinque: updated the Advertised Republican Node list with 220.127.116.11 - Cheers!
asciilifeform: meanwhile in lulzplagiarism, https://cybermashup.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/amiet-romailler-reaping-keys-final-slides.pdf << ( yes pdfturd ) >> best usg.phuctor to date
asciilifeform: jurov: nope, simply needs the nodes to pick up ~each other~. sorta 'firing squad problem', i will leave it as exercise
mod6: once we have a text-client for eulora, will work pretty great on a rockchip
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy , d00d presented 'his' work at the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840795 thing, and loox like even ripped our ui etc
a111: Logged on 2018-08-10 13:11 asciilifeform: ould be prosecuted if he stepped foot in the hotel again... "Sir, your speech has consequences so you better think about that in the future before you threaten," was another comment from the security team.'
asciilifeform found $subj via mats, dedicated entomologist
asciilifeform: 'Found vulnerable keys on Keybase.io, Github.com and Gitlab.com!' etc etc
asciilifeform: 'As part of the Kudelski Group, Kudelski Security embodies the same innovative spirit that has inspired the company since its creation in 1951' << didjaknow
asciilifeform: name sounds familiar, i could've sworn d00d popped up in l0gz, lessee,
asciilifeform: !#s kudelski
asciilifeform: hm possibly not..
shinohai: asciilifeform 's slides ... complete with lame memes xD
mod6: heeeeey, what up shinohai
asciilifeform: shinohai: funny how they never bother to straight up and lift the popped mods from phuctor
shinohai: heya mod6
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta hilarious, imho, took usg 5 whole yrs to finally implement bernstein ( supposing thing even worx, i haven't found the giving shit to actually try it )
asciilifeform: but of course
lobbes: I love how their 'demo' slide is blank.
mod6: these orcs straight up ripped off s.nsa
asciilifeform: mod6: not even any orc, but Official usg 'seekooority' contract house, lol
shinohai: Stoopid freenode
asciilifeform: not even boeck's 10min perl thing, but finally a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615434 job
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
asciilifeform: embrace, extend, unhappen
asciilifeform: next , naturally, will come the linkage from erry 'respectable' seekoority rag, then the 100mil google-microshit buyout, etc
asciilifeform: i mean, it seems like a pretty standard http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632664 play
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
mats: i wonder what 280 vCPUs cost an hour, dayum
asciilifeform: mats: 0, if you're usg and already have'em, neh
asciilifeform: btw wb mats
trinque: thanks mod6 !
asciilifeform: i was about to add 'next will be usg.clone pseudo-FUCKGOATS' but remembered , they already released several , all of course with whitening and voltage booster pissing oscillation into power rail , and afaik all 2 (3? 4?) of'em even less popular than FG ( because why to buy whitened turdrng, intel ships for free on-die )
asciilifeform: so perhaps instead, idk, 'blizzard' clones eulora, 'we nao have in-game btc!'-with-aml-kyc-crapola, etc
shinohai: I was about to say, can take pick of whitened rng's online nau
asciilifeform: and usg.pseudo-deedbot is iirc a 2015 item
asciilifeform: i dun expect a usg.pseudo-v, item is prolly intrinsically incomprehensible to the subhuman-idcardcarriers . but whoknows.
lobbes: I mean, they can ersatz all day. It'll do ~0 from a human perspective
lobbes: save for lulz
asciilifeform: lobbes: it doesn't particularly need to 'do', it is part of the maintenance work for the parallel universe they (+ the herd of 'just wanters' , naturally )live in
asciilifeform: the ultimate point, i suspect, is to help unglue nascent Framedragger's ( a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637689 thread ) from tmsr
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 14:07 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: what original thing did they take from phuctor, may i ask?
asciilifeform: ^ thread worth reread
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 14:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the interesting bit is that the enemy applies mircea_popescu's 'outsiders may NOT have ideas' thing quite well. 'oh, those terrorists made sonething? hiw cute. we'll take it and get $100 mil in grantola.'
mod6: trinque: yw
mats: asciilifeform: have you put the 'CRoCS' set they refer to, into phuctor?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform of course. most of the apparently functional parts of the empire are simply republican-tech-with-serials-filed-off, in this case "implicit" rather than explicit.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842367<< that was a good reread, ty. I never thought of the 'unglue nascent Framedraggers' angle but that does seem to be worst effect of the disregarding of the knowledge-chain (http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637752)
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 00:56 asciilifeform: the ultimate point, i suspect, is to help unglue nascent Framedragger's ( a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637689 thread ) from tmsr
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 14:26 mircea_popescu: this chaining of knowledge, for your info, is the CORE of academia.
asciilifeform: mats: we can dump in usg.curated snoarcollection right after we run out of errything else, i guess. which won't be soon.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this one seems to be of the explicit, fwiw, kind
asciilifeform: unless i misparsed the sentence
mircea_popescu: just talking generally.
asciilifeform: lobbes: near as i can tell, their angle of attack is a) make sure intelligent n00bz dun run the risk of finding way into tmsr b) in the slim chance they find, make sure they're adequately teflon-coated, and dun risk sticking
mats: asciilifeform: what else is left?
asciilifeform: mats: most of yours !
asciilifeform: then sks replay
asciilifeform: then realtime scans, etc
mircea_popescu: a public service altogether.
asciilifeform: mats: not to mention, the orthogonal puzzler re mikrotik etc
asciilifeform: thing is, any idjit (turns out ) can bernsteinize
asciilifeform: but not erry -- can (+ will) burn the originating usgola
asciilifeform: which is imho next proper order of biznis for phuctor, generally speaking
mats: asciilifeform: i think i found the crocs set in a google drive folder
a111: Logged on 2018-08-12 23:37 asciilifeform: the huawei crapola, for instance, i'm quite convinced at this point would be 100% breakable if anybody got hold of a unit and forced it to generate keys 24/7 for a coupla months
mats: how would you automate clean boot and key gen?
asciilifeform: mats: how is it a problem on FG-equipped box ?
asciilifeform: no fg, no key genning, caseclosed
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1842311 << it's not easy to maintain phase in the absolute ; but it's radio, with error correction you can get out of the jam
a111: Logged on 2018-08-16 23:03 jurov: asciilifeform: is it so easy to maintain the phase? i imagine that requires nanosecond precision clock or one central source with feed lines?
mats: i thought the point is to make a mikrotik or huawei produce a broken key in its natural environment? to expand the db of factors?
asciilifeform: mats: aa. with soldered probes, of course
asciilifeform: how else
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842317 << expect a lot of these. intellectual leadership essentially means, every hormonal teenager will tell the girls in his class, "oh, mp, we're opld friends"
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 00:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy , d00d presented 'his' work at the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840795 thing, and loox like even ripped our ui etc
mircea_popescu: then they come into my basement and we lulz at it. what can you do.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i pointed earlier, it aint the first rip, simply the most polished afaik to date
mircea_popescu: pretty much whole "corporate" portion of www consists of this anyway.
mircea_popescu: we should never have permitted them online.
asciilifeform: for some reason phuctor took'em 5y, i've nfi why
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842349 <<< and the inexplicable "why is mp offering half a bitcent for the entire usg.tech directorate ?!?!?!"
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 00:38 asciilifeform: next , naturally, will come the linkage from erry 'respectable' seekoority rag, then the 100mil google-microshit buyout, etc
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 00:49 asciilifeform: so perhaps instead, idk, 'blizzard' clones eulora, 'we nao have in-game btc!'-with-aml-kyc-crapola, etc
mircea_popescu: eulora rather harder to copy than meets the fly eye.
asciilifeform: hey, 5yr and 100m, can chinacopy anyffing neh
asciilifeform: ( and then ban orig from searchengines etc )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842367 << seriously, this is a major help. i really really REALLY don't want a buncha bois in here. i'd much prefer the field be mostly female, and mostly my slavegirls.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 00:56 asciilifeform: the ultimate point, i suspect, is to help unglue nascent Framedragger's ( a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637689 thread ) from tmsr
mircea_popescu: i don't hold it against the males that manage to make it
mircea_popescu: but the notion that anyone ever wanted a male is the most ridiculous nonsense ever. other than for steaks, xy has no use.
asciilifeform: possibly mircea_popescu already succeeded, cuz i wasn't aware there was a field..
mircea_popescu: the republic loses nothing / gains nothing whether adlai/framedragger/whatever is in or out.
mircea_popescu: the marginal value of the marginal male is 0.
asciilifeform: the value of nonmarginal is >0 tho
mircea_popescu: but the nonmarginal doesn't have the problem here discussed, as part of the definition of nonmarginal.
asciilifeform: and we still dun have , e.g., microscopist, dunno, rocketeer, barrister, artist, fughet what else
mircea_popescu: certainly. but we also don't need weak ones for any purpose (or, in that sense, already "have")
asciilifeform: nobody needs weak, lol
asciilifeform: 'can play violin?' 'dunno, not tried'
mircea_popescu: in short, "teflon-coatable" noobs ~should~ be teflon coated. god knows i do everything i can to help the coating.
mircea_popescu: so do you. it's after all how fg ended up named fg, isn't it. and how we got rid of, eg, pete_douchenski
mircea_popescu: and so on.
mircea_popescu: there's great value in getting rid of code. greater than in "acquiring" code. same is true of people. getting rid is a great boon.
asciilifeform: imho e.g. Framedragger, ~could~ have grown up to be serious fella with serious work
mircea_popescu: evidently this is not so.
mircea_popescu: what "could" is this ? if he could he would neh.
asciilifeform: i can see mircea_popescu pov, and cannot actually find with waht to disagree, luzlily came not long ago from ww2 thread in ru planet where 'the surrenderees are in fact biologically defective' and also dun disagree there either
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: getting rid of surrenderers, panickeers, etc is god'swork. this being said, i'd still prefer 24 strong partizans in band to 12, and 30 better even.
asciilifeform: ( beyond 30, prolly pushing it )
asciilifeform: but 'if wishes were horses' etc
asciilifeform: and must note, we have quite minimal spare people , for when we begin to be killed.
asciilifeform: ( perhaps mircea_popescu can breed in his tanks a new set, if this becomes problem!1)
asciilifeform: i didn't shed any tears for pete_dushenski, he did 0 but to pass gas . Framedragger's defection did cost a yr of keyhunt, tho, arguably
asciilifeform: aint much , but still a chore that there were no free hands to do until recently ( thx mats! for doing it )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842399 << thread was re ordinary analogue voice radio, such that can be heard on konsoomer set. but even there, solvable, if nobody answers the riddle, i'll eventually say how
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 01:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1842311 << it's not easy to maintain phase in the absolute ; but it's radio, with error correction you can get out of the jam
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not even sure i prefer 24 partizans to 12. the costs mount exponentially with size.
mircea_popescu: if you add the SAME quality elements, you actually end up at a size past which the cost of addition exceeds the value of it.
mircea_popescu: if you add better elements, you're well advise to purge.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, what you call "chore" is mislabeled. my whips spend most of the day hanging. when they do work, the work they do, named "pain", is properly speaking education.
mircea_popescu: the chores we have are ~beneficial~ for the noob. HE gains by them. they're chores in the sense http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-16#509012 "eating is chore"
a111: Logged on 2014-02-16 22:04 asciilifeform: old man: 'drown him, father, drown, drown.'
asciilifeform: nao asciilifeform is not partizan commander, mircea_popescu is better equipped to say why 12 and not 6 and not 24. all i can go from is history. 12 is thin.
mircea_popescu: depends altogether what you're doing.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the world's salvation is work for the world's own hands. i feel no obligation towards it ; i feel an obligation towards my having a good time and that's all. if the world's ready to work i'll show it how and if it's not ready to work i'll just talk to my girls. the only thing with something to lose in the republic-world binome is the world.
asciilifeform: i'd suspect sumthing is off if mircea_popescu had answered differently, lol
mircea_popescu: in which spirit, the teflon-coatable noobs absolutely should be coated. fucking dipped in bronze, why not.
asciilifeform: i dun disagree with mircea_popescu re subj ( with the perhaps obv diff that i dun have, outside of tmsr, cocaineyacht to retreat into, only the proverbial bottle )
asciilifeform: so i dun have any retreatin' planned.
mircea_popescu: well... honestly the bottle a lot less sinkable than the yacht.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this whole "from the perspective of moronworld" discussion is such nonsense. who the fuck ever cared, seriously now.
asciilifeform: fungi dun have perspective, lel