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kakobrekla: speaking of con(f)s, at the 'Finance Magnates London Summit 2015' there was a single talk canceled due to 'unforeseen circumstances'; RECODING FINANCE – BLOCKCHAIN with Peter Randal, CEO of SETL
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ben_vulpes: "we develop at the source code level"
ben_vulpes: ahahueehhueahehea
ben_vulpes: they announced their plans guise
ben_vulpes: in longdong in july
assbot: ... ( )
ben_vulpes: love love love the not taken together at all in a million years set of headshots and bios scrolling by at lightspeed
ben_vulpes: oh god the rounded corners and brand endorsement segment
BingoBoingo: !up asciilifeform
kakobrekla: lmao ben_vulpes
kakobrekla: i admit i havent bothered checking it myself.
ben_vulpes: !s eject sjw
assbot: 0 results for 'eject sjw' :
ben_vulpes: oh we haven't done this one yet?
assbot: Why Hackers Must Eject the SJWs ... ( )
ben_vulpes: (raymond again)
assbot: mjg59 | What is hacker culture? ... ( )
assbot: Why Hackers Must Welcome Social Justice Advocates — Medium ... ( )
assbot: tim | The Christians and the Pagans: Part 1 ... ( )
ben_vulpes: "lived experience" not mattering a whit in contributions
ben_vulpes: but hey reasons i love this place
ben_vulpes: "no listen, we're super inclusive. get yourself a gpg key, get in the wot, read the logs, submit a patch, and we'll talk about it."
ben_vulpes: that this is too much trouble for anyone but a vanishingly tiny fraction of people is totally lost on the outside world.
ben_vulpes: another hilarious thing is that apparently that medium author doesn't know how to make a hyperlink
ben_vulpes: oh wait is that technical elitism?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Butt, butt... that medium page only uses 9 lines of something resembling html when you view source...
assbot: Loper OS » Yes, you can still get these. ... ( )
punkman: arew those the uv-erasable eproms?
kakobrekla: neat, last time i saw those was in 286 or so
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: note the giant blob of json in the middle
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Sure, but does it count in lynx?
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 04:34:00; punkman: "Blockchain, blockchain, blockchain! It’s not the bitcoin anymore, right? Right (probably.) Join me at Disrupt London where I’ll be talking to Steve Waterhouse of Pantera Capital, Vitalik Buterin of Ethereum, and Austin Hill of BlockSteam. If anyone can make sense of the blockchain vs. bitcoin argument, it’s these guys."
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 18:10:40; trinque: ahaha I just got an e-mail from "pantera capital" addressed to [FirstName] inviting me to apply for funding.
ben_vulpes: no no of course not
ben_vulpes: but this is another undiscoverable entry in the great "mircea_popescu discovers how the kids are doing things today" saga
asciilifeform: 'When people criticise meritocracy, they're not criticising the concept of treating contributions based on their merit. They're criticising the idea that humans are sufficiently self-aware that they will be able to identify and reject every subconscious prejudice that will affect their treatment of others. ' << why in satan's green earth am i reading this ??
ben_vulpes: don't ruin the surprise, stan!
asciilifeform: i'ma go a something-else-'in
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform come back you didn't even get to "culturally diverse teams that work"
ben_vulpes: it's a pdf
ben_vulpes: you can't resist it
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mircea_popescu: !up bitcoin066
BingoBoingo: ;;sleep
gribble: Error: "sleep" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck that esr page.
mircea_popescu: 500kb of text, 12 mb of html/js
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the shit you read.
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ben_vulpes: 12mb!?
ben_vulpes: oh i've got more
assbot: tim | Emotional Labor Day (Part 2) ... ( )
ben_vulpes: "Many women are never raped, most women who are raped experience it only a handful of times, but in a sense it doesn't matter because the threats are constant, and women are trained to live in a state of hypervigilance of these threats"
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adlai: from a sufficiently detached cis-privileged cynicism, this reads as "the only thing you have to fear is fear itself"
adlai: twas worth venturing thru the esr turd to emerge on the other side with "“Social Justice” has reached a sort of Poe’s Law singularity at which the behavior of trolls and true believers becomes indistinguishable even to each other"
ben_vulpes: "when nothing more than a (privately administered) slap on the wrist was ever done to let everyone in the department know" << oh now they want public humiliation
mircea_popescu: who has the authority to distribute "slaps on the wrist" again ?
mircea_popescu: maybe i meet one of these schmucks some day.
ben_vulpes: goes back to the moldbuggian "no authority *or* responsiblity in uni!" routine
mircea_popescu: in all psychosis, the interesting parts are always "what the psychotic subject fails to notice"
mircea_popescu: who exactly told random nobody that he's to be "slap wrists" ? "the beoble" ?
mircea_popescu: "our critique of structurally established, historically stable hierarchies is to replace them with a half baked, ad hoc, buggy, half-reimplementation" "why ?" "because it's easier to write than to read."
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adlai: shame, even coinbrlive is a victim of dns tardation
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assbot: Google Groupes ... ( )
punkman: (1995)
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shinohai: ;;ticker --market-all
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
shinohai: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 358.3, vol: 18948.64258114 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 355.3, vol: 15222.08396 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 357.26, vol: 47992.49139017 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 365.0, vol: 2.24926782 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 361.692267, vol: 90469.10830000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 359.49, vol: 382.13486625 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 363.23088, vol: 119.18017024 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
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mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 361.25, Best ask: 361.26, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 361.26, 24 hour volume: 46993.1969887, 24 hour low: 353.1, 24 hour high: 380.49, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 34 @ 0.03131884 = 1.0648 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and from the lulz dept, "Tome un blokium flex, pero se me corto de golpe el periodo, cosa no común, dado que nunca tube problemas cn mi periodo que me puede haber ocurrido??"
mircea_popescu: i dunno baybee.... maybe the pill embarassed you!
assbot: This is Not a Day Care. It's a University! - Oklahoma Wesleyan University ... ( )
mircea_popescu: closing with
mircea_popescu: "Oklahoma Wesleyan is not a “safe place”, but rather, a place to learn: to learn that life isn’t about you, but about others; that the bad feeling you have while listening to a sermon is called guilt; that the way to address it is to repent of everything that’s wrong with you rather than blame others for everything that’s wrong with them. This is a place where you will quickly learn that you need to grow up.
mircea_popescu: This is not a day care. This is a university!"
mircea_popescu: how old is this guy, 205 ?
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shinohai: Good morning indeed.
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adlai: deedbot-: good morning
adlai: "Bad URL or sunshine outage"
asciilifeform: << famous among aficionados. 'neocad' actually reversed the time's xilinx fpga line. 'had to die.'
asciilifeform: (they had not yet, then, hit upon the strategy of simply moving things around on the die to make this kind of effort meaningless)
asciilifeform: today reversing a xilinx chip is largely a waste of time, a good chunk of the functionality is in quite un-fpgaish special-purpose chunks which get reshuffled with each new model
adlai: it's not a waste of time, it's a 'student project'
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, qntra is got competrition!
assbot: [Hiring] Correspondent – native speaker – job @ Blockchain Media Outlet ... ( )
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shinohai: "International team" lmao
pete_dushenski: << because only tewowists imposes taxes mkay !
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pete_dushenski: << and the latest psychology research confirms what we all knew : shannonisers more readily fool the less intelligent/more religious minds.
mircea_popescu: hahah predatory right ? unlike what,... the us ?
mircea_popescu: let me know when there's "those it rules" so desperate at the wringing of money they fly planes into isis irs headquarters
mircea_popescu: actually... let me know when there is an isis irs.
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pete_dushenski: "“They fight in the morning and they tax in the afternoon,” said Louise Shelley, the director of the Terrorism, Transnational Crime and Corruption Center at George Mason University." << this is apparently incomprehensible to the american mind. "whaddya mean there's a time of day when they don't tax ?"
mircea_popescu: check it out, usg has its own dedicated center.
pete_dushenski: 'trans' centre : needs renaming for moar fairness, less cis privilege
pete_dushenski: "In Raqqa, the Syrian city that is now the de facto capital of the Islamic State, a department called Diwan al-Khadamat, or the Office of Services, sends officials through the city markets to collect a cleaning tax — 2,500 to 5,000 Syrian pounds, or about $7 to $14, per month depending on the size of the shop. Residents go to collection points to pay their monthly electricity and water bills, 800 Syrian pounds
pete_dushenski: , or roughly $2.50 for electricity and 400 pounds, about $1.20, for water." << in which 'westerners' salivate over such meagre state imposition
mircea_popescu: this pretense that say france is a country because holy usg says it's a country, while isis is not a country because louise shelley acts as if it weren't...
mircea_popescu: da fuck has france got that isis doesn't.
mircea_popescu: hey, check it out, isis charges about the same tax tmsr charges.
pete_dushenski: terrorists are the future, i've been tellin ya
pete_dushenski: "The Islamic State also demands a cut of the revenues earned by small businesses. “We either pay in olive oil or cash, it depends on the production,”" << altcoins accepted for taxes too !!!1
pete_dushenski: i wish tmsr~ was that progressive...
pete_dushenski: o hey can the tithe^3 be payed in eulora coppers ??
pete_dushenski: lol payed !!
pete_dushenski: "Officials of the so-called caliphate dislike the term “tax,” preferring the Islamic term “zakat,” which refers to the alms Muslims are required to pay." << eerie similarity, neh.
pete_dushenski: lmao 'soi-dissant caliphate' but not 'soi-dissant nation of england' ?
pete_dushenski: "But in the long run, according to American officials, the surest way to significantly restrict the group’s finances will be to retake territory it controls, something that has been painstakingly slow so far, despite thousands of airstrikes." << waitwut airstrikes are hugely ineffective ?
assbot: Logged on 22-11-2015 23:43:08; mircea_popescu: here's a primer on airstrike efficiency : the brits did 7 (SEVEN!) mid-air refuellings for one of their rustbuckets to manage to drop ONE bomb on the one runway in the faulklands, "disabling" it
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assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( )
pete_dushenski: ima bbl.
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BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: << my (admittedly limited) understanding is that it runs on looted petro sold to turks, rather than taxes
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 17:01:57; pete_dushenski: "In Raqqa, the Syrian city that is now the de facto capital of the Islamic State, a department called Diwan al-Khadamat, or the Office of Services, sends officials through the city markets to collect a cleaning tax — 2,500 to 5,000 Syrian pounds, or about $7 to $14, per month depending on the size of the shop. Residents go to collection points to pay their monthly electricity and water bills, 800 S
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assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( )
assbot: The Archivist: Unseen Documents from the Islamic State’s Diwan al-Rikaz | JIHADOLOGY ... ( )
ascii_field: ^ were they signed with isis pgp key ?
ben_vulpes rolls eyes
ascii_field: the one they made 100 american prisoners write in own blood on camera ?
ascii_field: or this has not yet happened.
adlai saw a great gif today, |S|S becomes a dollar and back again
adlai: in a loop
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ascii_field: 'All antiquities, moved statues and unprocessed gold bullions are to be confiscated in the event that they are being passed through the border areas towards Turkey. And the confiscated goods are to be referred to the Diwan al-Rikaz office in the wilaya.... In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful ... The bearer of this document is permitted to procure equipment to search for gold and register it in the Diwan
ascii_field: al-Rikaz in Wilayat Halab.'
ben_vulpes: lmk when his lizardness does anything like that
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assbot: SEC Charges GAW Miners CEO Josh Garza with Securities Fraud - CoinDesk ... ( )
ascii_field: from earlier lol:
ascii_field: 'Never during the cold war, nor in any of the subsequent US wars, did US companies have difficulty recruiting or retaining the hundreds of thousands of scientists and engineers engaged in building weapons systems. Universities like my own were happy to add their support; the University of California would, for decades, run the USA's nuclear weapons design laboratories. In nearly 20 years advising
ascii_field: students at my university, I have observed that a wish for right livelihood almost never figures into the employment decisions of undergraduate computer science students. And this isn't unique to computer scientists: of the five most highly ranked websites I found on a Google search of deciding among job offers, not one suggests considering the institutional goals of the employer or the social worth of what they
ascii_field: 'Of course it hasn't escaped the notice of intelligence agencies that the vast majority of the academic cryptographic community is unthreateningly engaged. In a declassified trip-report about Eurocrypt 1992, the NSA author opines, for example: 'There were no proposals of cryptosystems, no novel cryptanalysis of old designs, even very little on hardware design. I really don't see how things could have
ascii_field: been better for our purposes.''
ascii_field: 'The NSA's newsletter in which this report appears would never again mention that academic cryptographic community. Nor did any released Snowden-derived document discuss anything of our community. It's as though we progressed from a band of philosophers worth a few pages of snarky commentary to an assemblage too insignificant even for that.'
ascii_field: awwwww poor buggers!!
ascii_field: where were you imbeciles when we phuctored ?
ascii_field: oh that's right
ascii_field: ...staring down own arseholes.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: moar golden turd nuggets:
ascii_field: 'In a 2012 newsletter column, NSA's SIGINT Philosopher, Jacob Weber, tells us his vision. After failing an NSA lie-detector test, he says: 'I found myself wishing that my life would be constantly and completely monitored. It might seem odd that a self-professed libertarian would wish an Orwellian dystopia on himself, but here was my rationale: If people knew a few things about me, I might seem
ascii_field: suspicious. But if people knew everything about me, they'd see they had nothing to fear. This is the attitude I have brought to SIGINT work since then.''
ascii_field: lulzy and not entirely abysmal paper
ascii_field: recommended.
ascii_field: 'Dan Bernstein speaks of interesting crypto and boring crypto. Interesting crypto is crypto that supports plenty of academic papers. Boring crypto is crypto that simply works, solidly resists attacks, [and] never needs any upgrades." Dan asks, in his typically flippant way, 'What will happen if the crypto users convince some crypto researchers to actually create boring crypto? No more
ascii_field: real-world attacks. No more emergency upgrades. Limited audience for any minor attack improvements and for replacement crypto. This is an existential threat against future crypto research.' If this is boring crypto, I think we should go make some.'
trinque: this is a particularly lulzy american myth, that one only seeks power/control out of fear
ascii_field: trinque: typical bureaucrat folk seek only the holy trinity of mortgage, 'health,' and 'dental.
ascii_field: not really any different from, e.g., a bulldozerist
ascii_field: who will just as readily move corpses as dirt, if paid
ascii_field: '...there is now a mountain of work on secure-messaging, but it's unclear what most of it actually ~does.~'
deedbot-: [Qntra] US Securities And Exchange Commission Indicts GAW Over Ponzi -
ascii_field: very lulzy paper, poor academitard has half a brain, more than most of his colleagues certainly; understands that he and the rest are PAID TO SPAM - but doesn't see whatever could be the reason why his field is largely dross...
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asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: meanwhile, far from the well-fed world of academitardia,
assbot: 'Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?' - MARC ... ( )
BingoBoingo: <assbot> 'Re: A branded USB stick as an alternative to the CD set?' - MARC ... ( ) << I put in lawgs last night
ascii_field: 'These days the CD revenue is about what a cashier at a store makes. It seems to keep shrinking, but I will try to keep doing it unless it nears zero; at which point the artwork will stop also.'
BingoBoingo: !s ponerty
assbot: 1 results for 'ponerty' :
ascii_field: evidently the set of folks 'happy with the pony trick' does not include anybody with spare change.
ascii_field: perhaps mircea_popescu oughta ask ben_vulpes to offer de raadt some wwwdev wurk.
trinque: how bout sell openbsd as a fucking product, you communists
trinque: give source too; it's a separate question
ascii_field: trinque: care to describe for my enlightenment ?
ascii_field: what means 'sell' ?
ascii_field: does it entail forbidding redistribution and republication ?
trinque: don't various lisp shops sell licenses but provide source?
ascii_field: this was quite common at one point.
trinque: so, that.
ascii_field: mostly died out because NOBODY BUYS
trinque: if the market doesn't want nice things they don't exist; that is a cultural problem
ascii_field: and they did not 'sell the product', this is a mistaken perception, they sold ~support contracts~
ascii_field: with serious commitment on both sides of the signing table.
assbot: I'm About as Good as Dead: the End of Xah Lee ... ( )
jurov: !t m f.mpif
assbot: These beans is shit.
trinque: sounds like these things can't exist outside a WoT.
ascii_field: not a de raadt, certainly, but somebody who, imho, was a net plus sorta fella
ascii_field: rather than biodiesel candidate
ascii_field: and yet, afaik, he's gone.
jurov: kakobrekla: why? f.mpif did trade last month
ascii_field: trinque: the serious commitment thing existed when there was a population of serious people doing serious things with one another, supported by an actual economy with serious money circulating
trinque: certainly.
ascii_field: incidentally, afaik the last lisp co. to actually offer the source code this way was lispworks,
kakobrekla: jurov .ws is down
ascii_field: which was acquired by xanalys, a usg surveillanceatronics co.
ascii_field: who, likely, were simply tired of paying royalties on the runtime (yes!)
ascii_field: and decided to simply devour the tool vendor
ascii_field: aaaactually now that i recall it was franz who charged royalties
ascii_field: not lispworks
trinque: still alive eh?
ascii_field: but it is conceivable that xanalys was tired of paying for dev runtimes, which were expensive
ascii_field: the concept of ~paying for~ a programming system is - like it or not - unpalatable to most folks, incl. what remains of 'serious business'
trinque: if lispworks was in such a weak position that one client could purchase them in this manner, good for both parties.
ascii_field: my point was that it was in a weak position ~for a reason~
phf: re "sell services give away code", clozure associates (ccl people) recently laid off a bunch of their devs. including such heavyweights as rme and gbyers. presumably because like ascii said, nobody's buying
trinque: this is not a problem that can be solved on the end of a lispworks
ascii_field: even microshit gives away their compiler today
phf: note that ccl is used internally by google now, after they acquired ITA. only way to get money out of goog is presumably acquihire
ascii_field: trinque: back to openbsd, would you personally be willing to use an os with nonpublic source ?
ascii_field: i would not.
trinque: I would run something with source disclosed to me and those in my WoT
trinque: and don't care about public
ascii_field: trinque: my understanding is that qnx license includes (for a serious bag of dough) the source.
ascii_field: go, buy.
ascii_field: pretty spiffy commercial unix incidentally.
ascii_field: (runs, or at least at one point ran, a few reactors)
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trinque: Access to QNX source code is free, but commercial deployments of QNX Neutrino runtime components still require royalties, and commercial developers will continue to pay for QNX Momentics® development seats. However, noncommercial developers, academic faculty members, and qualified partners will be given access to QNX development tools and runtime products at no charge.
phf: franz and lispworks both do source disclosure. i'm pretty sure the only way franz survives is by having ridiculously low overheads, combined with aggressive licensing policy about their technology, some of which doesn't have any equivalents in the open market.
trinque: aside from the WoT aspect this is exactly what I proposed
trinque: and how is qnx doing financially?
BingoBoingo: Owned by Blackberry
ascii_field: NOBODY PAYS
trinque: that was a purchase, correct?
ascii_field: for motherfucking sunlight.
trinque: how were they doing before
trinque: it's not sunlight
trinque: your USSR is showing
ascii_field: i'm breathing unmetered public air, even
ascii_field: comyooonizm!!!!
trinque: nobody invented the fucking air
ascii_field: wai wut i missed the memo, we're paying inventors for things now ?
trinque: not them, but the companies that own them
ascii_field: trinque: did you send your cheque to SCO yet ?
ascii_field: for the linux ransom ?
trinque: blackberry bought them to have something that *makes money*
trinque: this is nonsense; people pay for technology every day
trinque: that the software field was overrun by communists notwithstanding
ascii_field: at any rate, i would not mind living in the 1980s world where serious folks bought support contracts for serious os, etc
ascii_field: but i don't live there.
jurov: kakobrekla: it will stay down forever, see
assbot: Logged on 30-11-2015 15:39:58; mircea_popescu: so : the new proxy list is ; ; ;
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47150 @ 0.00052128 = 24.5784 BTC [+] {7}
trinque: ascii_field: yep, what makes for a growing and healthy software industry may not be possible on this side of things.
jurov: $proxies
trinque: but I'm not going to base the definition of that on "microshit does X"
trinque: whether we live in walmartia or not
ascii_field: trinque: microshit, and the few and feeble weapons which have been built to put up some sort of fight against it, entirely demolished the 'healthy commercial software' thing
ascii_field: i don't personally expect to live to see it come back in any recognizable form.
assbot: Mark Fickett | Art Stuff | Dice Roller ... ( )
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: can't help but wonder how much he was ~actually~ testing his OCR's defects.
ascii_field: rather than the dice
BingoBoingo: Well, for that you test with single sided dice.
trinque: !b 5
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: FBI's "Suicide Letter" to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Dangers of Unchecked Surveillance | Electronic Frontier Foundation ... ( )
jurov: what about adding a debiasing mechanism to dice? it would measure the statistics and try to correct by moving internal weight around
jurov runs to kixstarter
ascii_field: don't forget to include gsm modem !!111
jurov: rfid would be better fit ;D
BingoBoingo: Fuck it, stick a dildo motor in the dice
trinque: needs to be able to flash the firmware too; what if we shipped a bug
adlai: soon enough, casinos are required to have debiasing dice, and put their data dumps in deedbot-
adlai: because provable transparency
adlai: er 'provably fair'
BingoBoingo: six sided dice are fair enough. 20 is inherently unstable like their users.
jurov: also, the dice must detect presence of mentally challenged persons and adjust accordingly
adlai: but this is unfair, siliconkin telekinesis witches can fool the biasing circuits in their favor
jurov: i'd like to see your one-sided dice. something like riemann surface comes to mind
jurov: er... klein bottle
BingoBoingo: One sided dice are used all the time at the poker table
kakobrekla: jurov that line does not say 'it will stay down forever'
jurov: okay i was overly dramatic. but .ws is not there, that's all
kakobrekla: if its not coming back in a reasonable time i will change it. perhaps mp will clear this up.
jurov: it relates nicely to yest discussion... everyone just comes here to dump their mind
BingoBoingo: mind needs to shit too
jurov: info like mpex proxies belongs to wiki or some other discoverable place. but ppl refuse to put it there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11457 @ 0.00052383 = 6.0015 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'Providing strong funding for FHE and iO provides risk-free political cover. It supports a storyline that cloud storage and computing is safe. It helps entrench favored values within the cryptographic community: speculative, theory-centric directions. And it helps keep harmless academics who could, if they got feisty, start to innovate in more sensitive directions.'
ascii_field: ^ this re: the 'homomorphic' claptrap
deedbot-: accepted: 1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6332 @ 0.00051664 = 3.2714 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: it that why ussr/russia won't fund the real thing, either?
ascii_field: jurov: which thing
jurov: boring crypto
ascii_field: jurov: su state of the art re: crypto, as far as i can tell, was ~deadly boring~ - good ol' vernam otp
ascii_field: just as perfect (or 'unusable', take your pick) today as it was in 1918.
ascii_field: i recently bought an interesting monograph re: sov crypto 1930s-1950s
ascii_field: very interesting in the 'orc' perspective - military folk did not trust (largely correctly!) their cipher machines and remote communication in general.
ascii_field: ('serious' crypto was strictly otp in su lands, as it is today. field crypto was, often, 19th c.-style transposition derpery, relying largely on the very short useful life of the message to avoid being broken)
adlai: jurov: 'live' charts are still dead
jurov: aye
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 14:46:13; adlai: deedbot-:
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00051089 = 2.6822 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00051089 = 6.4372 BTC [-]
ascii_field is rather curious re: what adlai thinks he is doing
trinque: what is that
ascii_field: another pseudopgpgram
ascii_field: evidently meant as a riddle for us
adlai: base64 dont cut it now?
adlai: damn
adlai: maybe base58 next
ascii_field: adlai: does this one tell us where the gold is buried ?
ascii_field: because if so i might be willing to spend a little more time on it
adlai: The Gold It's in the...
assbot: jew gold - YouTube ... ( )
ascii_field: '...if you look at the recently discovered back door installs that happened during the Olympics under the guise of helping secure the system that this also provides pretty open access to corporations in the US for the same type of subterfuge. Free security scanning all for the low price of a well placed back door.'
danielpbarron: << i have been buying each cd set since 5.5
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 18:59:12; ascii_field: evidently the set of folks 'happy with the pony trick' does not include anybody with spare change.
ascii_field: danielpbarron: neato
adlai: funny that you mention it, but cleartext actually does attempt rainbow triangulation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24968 @ 0.00051383 = 12.8293 BTC [+]
ascii_field: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu, et al : does anyone else find that krebsonsecurity refuses to load from ?
ascii_field: i suspect now that krebs has it iptable-banned
ascii_field: and it would be interesting to learn what he has to say for himself.
deedbot-: accepted: 1
deedbot-: accepted: 1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6010 @ 0.00052042 = 3.1277 BTC [+]
adlai: !up thestringpuller
thestringpuller: in regards to BIP 101 >>
deedbot-: accepted: 1
adlai: !s vexual edition
assbot: 2 results for 'vexual edition' :
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46003 @ 0.00051345 = 23.6202 BTC [-] {6}
ben_vulpes: adlai: what /are/ you doing?
trinque: performance art eh?
adlai is doing deeds, isn't that how they're supposed to verb?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'HELP! he cried, but no one seemed to hear / "You just solve these equations, then you're free!"' << notbad.jpg
adlai: !s theorems to prove
assbot: 8 results for 'theorems to prove' :
adlai: erdos (aside from being cis white male etc etc) also had the priviledge of /choice/
ascii_field: adlai: choice of what ?
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 20:42:08; assbot: 8 results for 'theorems to prove' :
ascii_field: choice... of theorems ?
adlai: literally too, but that's not the point
ascii_field: then of what ?
adlai: jules (samueL jackson's char in pulp fiction) would've killed to walk like erdos
punkman: there's another puzzle in the deeds with some future-gold. would buy you about a bag of coal right now.
adlai: well deedbot pisses gold dust if you hold the sieve just right
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27643 @ 0.00050861 = 14.0595 BTC [-] {3}
adlai: as does s.mpoe
shinohai: adlai: anything will give you gold if you hold the sieve correctly.
punkman: BingoBoingo: six sided dice are fair enough. 20 is inherently unstable like their users. << I wonder why nobody's selling loaded 20sided dice
shinohai: ^_____________^
trinque: adlai: enjoy your cheeseburger
adlai: not halal
punkman: are edible gold flakes halal?
trinque: adlai: I assume you have been verifying the deeds by picking up the dust
adlai: some of them, yes. i deeded my tool itself,
trinque: saw that, neato
ascii_field: 'Marginalized people also suffer some of the unintended consequences of dogmatic insistence on meritocratic principles of governance. Studies have show that organizational cultures that value meritocracy often result in greater inequality. People with "merit" are often excused for their bad behavior in public spaces based on the value of their technical contributions. Meritocracy also naively assumes a level playing
ascii_field: field, in which everyone has access to the same resources, free time, and common life experiences to draw upon. These factors and more make contributing to open source a daunting prospect for many people, especially women and other underrepresented people. (For more critical analysis of meritocracy, refer to this entry on the Geek Feminism wiki.)' << from ben_vulpes's link
shinohai: fukkin a adlai
adlai: fukkin a.
ascii_field: can hardly wait till this merges with what's left of gpl and turns into a 'viral license' or whatnot
trinque: the inevitability of this is undeniable
shinohai: as for halal ... lamb chops on the grille tonite
mircea_popescu is actually not going to bother reading it.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu just saved a good 10 secondz!
mircea_popescu: ;;google how to deal withg pseudoscience
gribble: Distinguishing Science and Pseudoscience - Quackwatch: <>; Examples of Pseudoscience: <>; Pseudoscience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>
thestringpuller: adlai: referring to walk the earth?
shinohai: <<< music to slaughter goats by
assbot: Rootwater - Hava Nagila - YouTube ... ( )
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: however, the site had a handy list of derps who caved and signed the oath.
mircea_popescu: quote it
trinque: looks like a bunch of already irrelevant JS and Ruby garbage
mircea_popescu: so then who cares.
assbot: Argentine president overrides extradition of man charged in Denver murder - The Denver Post ... ( )
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( )
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
mircea_popescu: and in a global market for picking cotton americans stand out.
mircea_popescu: the ~5 or so people who can code weren't born here. the rest can't do change in their head.
ben_vulpes: rates in ars are only ~20% below those in michigan, and that doesn't even start to include cost of doing business with argentines.
mircea_popescu: slaves only. i have nfi what one'd have to have for skull filler to "do business" with argentines.
ascii_field: Atom, AngularJS, angular-formly, Babel, Bundler, chef-rvm, Diaspora, Eclipse, Elixir,, GitLab,, Homebrew-Cask, Jekyll, Lotus, Mensa, Monsti CMS, Mozilla Webmaker, Rails, ROM, RSpec, ruby-community,, RVM, Shoes, Spree, TinyMCE, Volt.rb'
ben_vulpes: you'd probably pay them what they think they're worth
ascii_field: ^ i've only ever ~heard~, much less seen alive, a few of these
ben_vulpes: anyways in "us becoming argentina" nyooz, today for the first time in my life a coffee shop failed to produce exact change
ben_vulpes: note: not /haskell/ but /
mircea_popescu: ascii_field these are names ?!
ben_vulpes: which hilariously does not resolve?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: software projects / orgs. i can't be arsed to produce the human names
mircea_popescu: dude you gotta be kidding me, three fat chicks in colorado made up a bunch of strings and now you're quoting them at me ?
trinque: everything I recognize in that list is a pile of useless shit
jurov: adlai: coinbrlive is on, with bonus hacky multiple mpex proxies support to make everyone's eyes bleed moar
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: trinque: as far as i can see, aha
mircea_popescu: sounds like a sort of expert sexchange thing\
ben_vulpes: jurov: cool! any arbportunities across the proxies?
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wut
ben_vulpes: "rubygems is down, can't deploy today"
ascii_field: and 'eclipse' is a kludgy text editor thing, i used it at uni once
ascii_field: (and then again a few years ago, it was built into a proprietary software turd)
ben_vulpes: java ide non?
adlai: jurov: tyvm
jurov: ben_vulpes: only if find out how to arbitrage clock time
adlai: !up thestringpuller
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: originally
adlai: thestringpuller: yes
ben_vulpes: jurov: i've got these quantum bitcoins that might work in arbing the proxies
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> i suspect now that krebs has it iptable-banned << I've noticed a few other sites seem to offer null as well
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hysterical story : one of my sluts went to "free drama class" organised by some argentine. derp refused to give her the reading material claiming the first class is just a social call.
mircea_popescu: who then proceeded to a) have them read some inept turdball he DIDNT HAVE COPIES OF and b) demand $300 from participants
mircea_popescu: which the other derps ACTUALLY PAID
jurov: hard us$ ??
ascii_field: 'Argentina's president has blocked the extradition of a Denver fugitive who claims he was framed for murder because video he took of ground zero proves U.S. complicity in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.' << lulzy
mircea_popescu: bonus points, she doesn't wear panties and the thing involved a lot of bending over.
mircea_popescu: jurov nah their shitty peso thing
jurov: aok
mircea_popescu: which was the first time anyone in the dumb country ever saw someone else's cunt, seeing how, well... they don't do the cunt thing here.
ben_vulpes: catholics. only good thing about catholics are catholic school girls.
mircea_popescu: by and large, argentines aren't qualified to be mexicans.
ben_vulpes: "oh, you're going to send your daughter to st. mary's? awesome! i knew a bunch of girls from there in HS."
ascii_field: 'Sonnenfeld called 911 dispatchers in the early morning of Jan. 1, 2002, a few months after the terror attacks, claiming that his wife had shot herself in the head. Denver police, believing the scene was staged, arrested Sonnenfeld that morning. But prosecutors in the office of former Denver District Attorney Bill Ritter, who later became governor, dismissed the charges several months later because of insufficient
ascii_field: evidence at the time. The following year, murder charges were refiled ...'
ben_vulpes lecherous grin
mircea_popescu: "hackers" my foot. do you know how many people that are "bitcoin traders" EVEN KNOW what pgp is ?
mircea_popescu: or don't run windows ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes they do have problems being the only naked person in the room, at least for the first week or so.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, the advantage of imbecility : doesn't remember anything for too long.
ben_vulpes: i wasn't playing those games at that age
ascii_field: the way mircea_popescu describes his town, one could almost conclude he is in africa ?
mircea_popescu: i am in africa, yes.
ben_vulpes thinks
ben_vulpes: tango lesson wasn't worth the twenty bucks either in retrospect.
mircea_popescu: how else do you explain all the chinese swarming the place.
ben_vulpes: shoulda just gone and humiliated myself at the milonga
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i dunno why you'd even consider taking "lessons" from an outfit that has a) < 20 females and b) average age over 20.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck, what is this, ged ?
mircea_popescu: you wanna run a dancery, better beg rob or pay some women to be there.
ben_vulpes: because i had limited time and was drinking with the asshats all the other days?
ben_vulpes doesn't dance in places like that at home
mircea_popescu vaguely considered opening a non-retarded club
mircea_popescu: but meh.
mircea_popescu: i can't be arsed to read a nyt piece. so what, the pirelli calendar can't compete with internet porn, is going to no longer display nudity ?
mircea_popescu: totally cultural shift. ie, away from books.
punkman: "EkoParty began as a small gathering of Argentine hackers who exchanged their discoveries over the web. Today, hundreds of Argentine hackers, ranging from 14 to 45 years old, line up around the block to show off their skills to executives from Silicon Valley start-ups like Synack, a security company, as well as more established consulting firms like Deloitte"
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 18:23:26; ascii_field: where were you imbeciles when we phuctored ?
mircea_popescu: punkman right. they make a decent show of being whores, except they then want to be paid for status not for work.
mircea_popescu: << adn what do you seek ? adventure and the thrill of the kill ?
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 18:39:12; ascii_field: trinque: typical bureaucrat folk seek only the holy trinity of mortgage, 'health,' and 'dental.
mircea_popescu: they don't seek "mortgage, health and dental". they seek to be "free to dedicate themselves to intellectual work, as they define it".
ben_vulpes: i never got the dental
ben_vulpes: what, do people not make friends with dentists?
mircea_popescu: somehow all the hotties ended up in dentistry in romania
mircea_popescu: i went for a checkup and never wanted to fucking leave cca 2013
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 21:30:49; mircea_popescu: << adn what do you seek ? adventure and the thrill of the kill ?
mircea_popescu: << no ty. he had his chance in 2013 or wehn was it, and shat all over the food dispenser.
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 19:00:24; ascii_field: perhaps mircea_popescu oughta ask ben_vulpes to offer de raadt some wwwdev wurk.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha i recall now!
ben_vulpes: dude wwwdev is a fraction of the throughput
ascii_field: worse, iirc he permitted some monkey to shit in it in his place
ben_vulpes: its like 80% tappy screens
mircea_popescu: << the fundamental problem with all of this is the "open market" approach to things.
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 19:11:26; phf: re "sell services give away code", clozure associates (ccl people) recently laid off a bunch of their devs. including such heavyweights as rme and gbyers. presumably because like ascii said, nobody's buying
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you sell access ? who are these schmucks that they may buy ?
mircea_popescu: the chinese ain't selling jack.
mircea_popescu: you don't sell. you cut a deal with ONE competitor in a field, and that's that. the rest all die because they can't deploy computers that work.
ascii_field: --'hi, i'm selling computer that works.' --'does it run msoffice?' --'...' --[click]
mircea_popescu: advertisement : are you tired of wasting your time in queues at Shitty Supermarkets ? So move on to TMSR Supermarkets - their computer systems don't die every other hour for half an hour.
mircea_popescu: that's it.
ascii_field: presently i'm not convinced that any computer uses really... wants to live, all that much. wake me up when uranium centrifuge no longer runs winblowz, i might reconsider this theory
mircea_popescu: you don't call SS and pitch them.
mircea_popescu: and they call you and you hang up
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: they can't have it for any price
mircea_popescu: they sell the store to TMSR Supermarkets. at a discount.
mircea_popescu: the notion of "things, for people" is broken.
mircea_popescu: "good things ONLY for good people"
mircea_popescu: and if you don't have them you're not a person and your death won't be prosecutable. and that's that.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: this is a logical picture, but how does vendor amortize the cost of producing the magic ?
mircea_popescu: vendor does not amortize.
ascii_field: vendor finds buried treasure instead ?
ascii_field: am i thick?
mircea_popescu: what's to amortize ?
ascii_field: or will grocery store pay for fabbing si
ascii_field: so it can have noncrashing checkouts
mircea_popescu: in shares.
mircea_popescu: << i have no idea why the namecheap redirect dfoesn't work and i dun really wanna go dig into it.
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 19:48:16; kakobrekla: if its not coming back in a reasonable time i will change it. perhaps mp will clear this up.
mircea_popescu: fucktards can't do anything right
ascii_field: iirc the miner asic projects that did straight-and-honest shares - flopped; the scumbags who took preorders and mined with the machines for months, years - won.
ascii_field: but i could be mistaken, wasn't fully awake for this mess
mircea_popescu: ascii_field nah. the only one that won actually had shares (asicminer). the rest all flopped. especially the scumbags.
ascii_field: wasn't it a 'permanent mining bond' scamatron ?
kakobrekla: asicminer flopped as well.
ben_vulpes: > dig into it
ben_vulpes: p. good pun even if accidental
ascii_field: << the chinese are selling, to anyone who will buy, the one and only thing they have in abundance - coolie sweat
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 21:38:21; mircea_popescu: the chinese ain't selling jack.
ascii_field: (sometimes solidified into hardware)
ascii_field: << btw edison tried this with his film projector. it did not work.
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 21:43:17; mircea_popescu: they can't have it for any price
ascii_field: eventually the scum do what it takes to be rid of you and take your $tech by force
ascii_field: or deception, or betrayal, etc.
ascii_field: sorta a rehash of the 'intellectual property' wank. inanimate objects, once you're done making them, don't have a 'will' to propagate your intent, whatever it was, when you made them
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla anyway, redirects re-added. i wouldn't reallty expect them to work, seeing how namecheap, but anyway. im not renewing .bz or .ws because the new registrar doesn't carry them
ascii_field: american cpu is just as happy to be reverse-engineered by a ru schmuck as it is to calculate payroll for chrysler
mircea_popescu: ascii_field define "it did not work"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: edison's heirs do not control film industry today
mircea_popescu: fucktards can';t even be arsed to KNOW phuctor exists ?
mircea_popescu: and the few and far between people who can actually do things are NOT going to want to be with us ? but prefer to serve the fuctard empire ?
mircea_popescu: mk, this is a sight i wish to see.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure they ~knew~ of it. the ignorance was ~studied indifference~
mircea_popescu: looky : it's not JUST that i can't give less of a shit what the wash-popo writes
mircea_popescu: it's not just that "how to deal with pseudoscience"
mircea_popescu: it's that the whole fucking shebang of idiots can be safely ignored.
mircea_popescu: all they'll do about it is whine. "oh this projector is not user friendly"
mircea_popescu: o yeah ? tell your mother being ugly is no excuse to fuck drunks.
ascii_field would much like to live on the planet where they can be safely ignored. yes, i hear it's a nice place, good climate, hot chixx
mircea_popescu: sure, someone somewhere will "steal" it. and ?
mircea_popescu: who're they gonna want to tell all about it ? me or president bahamas ?
ascii_field: unfortunately the muppets aren't harmless
ascii_field: as described in mircea_popescu's 'problem of too much money' mega-article
mircea_popescu: they aren't harmless to you because you're addicted to your dental.
mircea_popescu: carry on, but don't expect me to care.
ascii_field: not speaking of my corpse here
ascii_field: but of the muppets' collective ability to destroy entire fields by skewing incentives
ascii_field: (e.g., go and buy sane cpu)
mircea_popescu: no field was "destroyed"
mircea_popescu: the sane cpu never existed.
mircea_popescu: it has this in common with all the OTHER things thart were never made.
mircea_popescu: their absence is the result of no destruction.
ascii_field: aha because nobody, sane or otherwise, wants to pay the $1m/each.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't exist. absence admits no cause.
ascii_field: what is this aristotelian claptrap. i can readily describe the exact cause of, say, absence of icicle on the surface of the sun.
ascii_field hurriedly straps on gas mask
assbot: Unicode Characters in the Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs Block ... ( )
mircea_popescu: stick to explaining the absence of "real" enemies of usg as well as the absence of non-white swans.
ascii_field: ^ does this actually display on anybody's terminal ?
ascii_field: jurov: sc4m!!1111
mircea_popescu: god damned it if i wanted 3pt cartouches i'd have learned egyptian
jurov: yes, i see it fine
jurov: mircea_popescu: what about submitting symbols for sexual positions
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: pretty sure eg hieroglyphs ~are~ in unicode presently
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00050982 = 20.8516 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: jurov what about it ?
jurov: if you would at least review the list
mircea_popescu: <<< ever sorted out the matchstick problem ?
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 20:20:24; ascii_field: evidently meant as a riddle for us
mircea_popescu: speaking of evidently a riddle.
ascii_field will admit that he thinks about it with some regularity, but will not claim to have a correct solution
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 20:26:34; ascii_field: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu, et al : does anyone else find that krebsonsecurity refuses to load from ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: though my brother laughed when i described it, but would not say moar
mircea_popescu enjoys a good riddle, especially when he's on the right end of it.
ascii_field likes riddles very much
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: krebs is a spam zoologist
ascii_field: with a great deal of 'mainstream media' exposure
ascii_field: but not (afaik) an ~obvious~ tool.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Wash-a-by-baby. -
jurov: ;;later tell pete_dushenski is that ...err.. something visible in the third pic?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: nah, baby's leg
pete_dushenski: omfg jurov don't scare me like that
BingoBoingo: Early 2014. Bob Beck was the one to shit all over the opportunity
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 21:34:58; mircea_popescu: << no ty. he had his chance in 2013 or wehn was it, and shat all over the food dispenser.
ascii_field: i'm a bit confused.... where did the $0.5M donated by microshit go ?
ascii_field: lemme guess, a 'phoundation'
ascii_field: that has nothing to do with the author?
ascii_field: and was mircea_popescu's however-many btc for openbsd sent to the phoundation, or to de raadt ?
ascii_field scours logs fruitlessly for the answer
pete_dushenski: ;;google bob beck
gribble: The public burning of Bob Beck on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <>; The sharp friar and the golden jew discuss your options on Trilema ...: <>; What happens when you add a drop of sewage to a bottle of fine ...: < (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> that has nothing to do with the author? << Yes
BingoBoingo: Foundation that pays for hackathons and such. Developer rent and food, no.
pete_dushenski: "Yes, 20BTC would definately have you listed as a significant foundation contributor on our contributions page, assuming you wanted to be listed there."
ascii_field: does openbsd have a ~meaningful~ existence apart from 'what de raadt does' ?
ascii_field: or, to put the question differently, what do all the non-de-raadt folks whose rent and food ARE paid for by the donations, do for the project ?
ascii_field: afaik - 'plowing flies'
BingoBoingo: My impression is that Foundation pays pretty much anything that can be billed like power, conference hotels, conference food though it pointedly does not offer anyone $x as compensation in the name of not starving.
ascii_field: all i can see is de raadt's 'almost about to work as cashier' thing
BingoBoingo: Basically the hotels make rent and food from Foundation
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> all i can see is de raadt's 'almost about to work as cashier' thing << YEs
ascii_field: supposing he's telling the truth, this answers my question.
ascii_field: plowing flies.
BingoBoingo: plowing flied, "donors have come to expect"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10136 @ 0.00051371 = 5.207 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Microsoft will donate all the money in the world to OpenBSD so long as no penny goes to keep Deraadt alive
ascii_field: this still leaves my other question,
BingoBoingo supposes Deraadt could turn residence into "conference venue" host open ended hackathon, but then the charityrastas would be like "imprudent
ascii_field: which one did mircea_popescu donate to ?
trinque: fucktarded opensource foundations do not work, news at 11
trinque: why is openbsd special here?
ascii_field: trinque: in no sense special, it is illustrative of a particular thing imho
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> and was mircea_popescu's however-many btc for openbsd sent to the phoundation, or to de raadt ? << to whoever they wanted. what do i care.
BingoBoingo: <trinque> why is openbsd special here? << Still has dictator who works
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> all i can see is de raadt's 'almost about to work as cashier' thing << and having EARNED it, too.,
trinque: dictator with no grain, eh?
jurov: i'm curious how will thebitcoinfoundation fare up. so far looks like it will never ever spend anything :D
assbot: Moment de visare on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
ascii_field: jurov: i vaguely recall there were talks of you folks renting a box somewhere
mircea_popescu: somehow a bunch of [mostly white] kids bought into this theory that "intelligence" as they define it is worth two shits.
mircea_popescu: proceeded to ruin their lives accordingly.
adlai: tbf doesn't have to spend anything to add value
adlai: it's already performing a role as a little capacitor on the profit release valve
ben_vulpes: muxed meatphork
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'Our Directors are: Ken Westerback, Toronto ON Daniel Boulet, Sherwood Park AB' << i don't see a de raadt
ascii_field: was there one included in the past ?
ascii_field: where did this thing even come from.
mircea_popescu: it came from "i'm an imbecile and instead of doing good work i'll pretend like google and microshit is paying me"
mircea_popescu: ;;google son i am dissapoint
gribble: Son, I Am Disappoint | Know Your Meme: <>; Son.. I am Disappoint (song) - YouTube: <>; I am disappoint - Encyclopedia Dramatica: <>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00052314 = 10.2012 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: except with different hats.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: for my education, describe what a smart de raadt would've done
mircea_popescu: showed up, had a chat with mod6 as to how to work together.
pete_dushenski: "Daniel Boulet, Sherwood Park AB" << heh. sherwood park is a suburb of edmonton. i should go throw eggs at this dude's house.
mircea_popescu: imagine. fucktard has a once in a lifetime moment and not even the marginal intellectual curiosity of getting voiced.
ascii_field: what's de raadt's day job anyway
mircea_popescu: even hookers have more fucking intelligence than this.
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 20:59:33; ascii_field: 'Marginalized people also suffer some of the unintended consequences of dogmatic insistence on meritocratic principles of governance. Studies have show that organizational cultures that value meritocracy often result in greater inequality. People with "merit" are often excused for their bad behavior in public spaces based on the value of their technical contributions. Meritocracy also naively assumes a
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking point is to marginalize the worthless to death. this is what public spaces are : places where the worthless are made to feel their worthlessness.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: thinking about it, that turd simply has to be a troll job
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> what's de raadt's day job anyway << Trying not to cashier yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16621 @ 0.00051665 = 8.5872 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: i was (and still am) at a lost as to what, if anything, he has to do with the derps who took the money
mircea_popescu: he allows them to parasitize.
mircea_popescu: "According to the SEC’s civil complaint, Homero Joshua Garza and his companies, GAW Miners and ZenMiner, sold more than 10,000 "investment contracts representing shares in the profits they claimed would be generated from using their purported computing power to ‘mine’ for virtual currency.""
mircea_popescu: aka, he sold 10k shares.
kakobrekla: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000209 / 0.000209 / 0.000209 (30000 shares, 6.27 BTC)
kakobrekla: jurov ^^
ben_vulpes: in other news, there is now a 'Chef' for mobile phones.
ben_vulpes: has been for some time now.
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: His crumbs largely consist of travel he could not otherwise undertake as miser to said "hackathons" it seems
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: if this is really a worthy price to him for selling soul - he oughta hurry up and eat his nagant
jurov: yup kakobrekla
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Are Canadians allowed to have Nagants?
ascii_field: let's ask pete_dushenski ?
pete_dushenski: "Zuckerberg, 31, and Chan said they plan to give away 99 percent of their Facebook shares over their lifetimes to advance the initiative, which was formed as a limited liability company controlled by the two. It will begin by focusing on personalized learning, curing disease, Internet connectivity and community building." << hurry! quick like bunnies! while the shares are still worth even a dollar a piece! must! d0n4
mircea_popescu: ascii_field is yours ?
ascii_field: is my which
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: BingoBoingo good q. lemme research.
mircea_popescu: is THIS a worthy price for you to sell you soul.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: BingoBoingo looks like yes to nagant.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what's the 'blue book' value of a soul with my mileage, anyway
pete_dushenski: pretty sure shurikens are illegal here, but no reason for nagant not to be, i guess.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: 'nagant' in question is a 7-shot revolver, circa 1890s
pete_dushenski: iirc nunchaku are also illegal here.
jurov: as for eyebleeding hacks news, naive tx deallocation from bitcoind mempool indeed has little effect on RSS due to fragmentation. currently retrying with "libumem"...
jurov: but in the end it's really got to be rewritten with fixed arrays.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the truth behind that lol is that none of these schmucks, ie, "smart kids that made it", nor those other schmucks, ie inheritors that obama convocated to tell them how he's gonna spend their money, actually have what it takes.
mircea_popescu: they're the pointlessly rich, they have absolutely nothing to say to the world,
ascii_field: jurov: seems like you have replicated my experiment with same conclusion ?
mircea_popescu: and so a lectern's the last thing they could use.
ascii_field: jurov: and also this is imho an important result, and you really oughta post it to ml
jurov: ascii_field: yes, except you did not write about the details
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: 7-shot eh. how... unorthodox. aren't most 6 ?
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: nagant - 7.
jurov: everyone was like "alf said it's something with boost"
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: nifty.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19592 @ 0.00051357 = 10.0619 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: guess so eh
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: it had a strange and - afaik - unique - system where long-necked cartridge enclosed entire bullet, and cylinder moved against the barrel to form a gastight seal
ascii_field: ... could be silenced.
mircea_popescu: jurov well so don't immitate him, post a proper thing.
BingoBoingo: Erik goes Derple Down on the Herp
assbot: Note from CEO Erik Voorhees: An Appeal for Zero-Conf | ShapeShift | The fastest way to swap cryptocurrencies. No account required. ... ( )
pete_dushenski: !up thestringpuller
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: so what happens if you attack someone with nunchaku?
ascii_field: holy fuck, there are still people discussing 'buying ice cream cone' and 'bitcoin' in same paragraph...!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00051357 = 4.5194 BTC [-]
ascii_field: thestringpuller: presumably canada will throw an exception, it is impossible
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: then jesus sheds a tear for your immorality
thestringpuller imagines a terrorist attack in canada involving nunchaku and fake ninjas
pete_dushenski: also, reading more re: prohibited weapons, brass knuckles are fucking illegal !
pete_dushenski: as per s. 84(1) of canadian criminal code
jurov: yes, defo will post details
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: this kinda thing goes back eons. nobody can ban 'walking on the street while being scum', so ban is for 'item scum is likely to have in his pockets'
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: we entrap all potential terrorists before they can strike. see 'mounties stop cn rail attacks'
ascii_field: flying horses ?
ascii_field: or meant 'ca' ?
pete_dushenski: lol! canadian national
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: << i've historically had boost and std:: symlinked in my head
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 23:06:37; jurov: everyone was like "alf said it's something with boost"
ascii_field: because neither pile of shit is ~really~ part of the language (i realize that this has Officially changed. doesn't matter worth a shit in my head)
ascii_field: borland turbo c++ 3.1 had no motherfucking 'map' !!1111
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13875 @ 0.00051358 = 7.1259 BTC [+]
ascii_field: ^ for those who grew up on some other planet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2474 @ 0.00052385 = 1.296 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: ""The Big Short" should be required viewing for every mortgage and banking professional in America, and maybe every high school civics class, too. It is a direct, frontal assault on the bogus claim peddled by Wall Street and conservative media that poor people and irresponsible borrowers were to blame for the housing crash and the resulting chaos." << movie starring Steve Carell, Ryan Gosling and Brad Pitt, directed
pete_dushenski: m McKay (anchorman). sounds like a comedy alright.
jurov: i dunno, BOOST_FOREACH can be expanded quite easily, then only the serialization stuff remains, have not looked into that yet
ben_vulpes: sez who, pete_dushenski?
deedbot-: [Trilema] BitBet (S.BBET) November 2015 Statement -
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: huffpo's ben hallman
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19716 @ 0.0005239 = 10.3292 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17884 @ 0.00052424 = 9.3755 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski: << quite a few around here too. some respectably tall blondes even
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 21:33:07; mircea_popescu: somehow all the hotties ended up in dentistry in romania
assbot: Norway Faces Bleak Year Offshore - gCaptain ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00051958 = 6.6506 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38404 @ 0.00052246 = 20.0646 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform wants to unsee
asciilifeform: for fucks sake
asciilifeform: at least mircea_popescu posts pics of ~perfectly healthy~ uninteresting organs
asciilifeform: << poor ol' no-dicks getting bulldozered by the cheap petro (itself a usg-saudi project, last-ditch hitler's bunker bid to sink ru economy)
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 23:34:13; ben_vulpes: << no-dick system on the rocks
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform wants to unsee << Your OCR works fine, but your dice are unlucky
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: not sure there's a 'usg' side of the saudi project.
pete_dushenski: seems like a straight survival play for the saudi monarchy
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: how does cheapening help saud ?
asciilifeform: if anything, it prolongs life of usg at the expense of pretty much everybody else
pete_dushenski: cheapening doesn't help saud, maintaining revenue base helps saud
asciilifeform: what'd be wrong with a chinese revenue base
pete_dushenski: decreased revenue would be death for saudis far sooner than for alberta, texas, etc.
pete_dushenski: much more fragile
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: what do the chinese have to do with this ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: alternate market
asciilifeform: (substitute for a dead usa)
pete_dushenski: not sure i follow...
pete_dushenski: china's part of the global market like everyone else
pete_dushenski: their demand is part of the global demand, which is plateauing if not decreasing
assbot: Logged on 02-12-2015 01:22:06; pete_dushenski: cheapening doesn't help saud, maintaining revenue base helps saud
asciilifeform: from my admittedly-limited but not entirely nonexistent meatwot intelligence - saud is not actually sovereign: all of the princelings speak english, a good chunk live in and never leave usa, park their moneys in nato.
asciilifeform: muppet state.
ben_vulpes: does your intel tell you how many of the kids can be trivially sacrificed?
ben_vulpes: low oil prices do not *help* the states.
asciilifeform: the time to sacrifice'em is ~before~ they inherit the various thrones and sub-thrones though.
pete_dushenski: alas, i have to be off for the eve, cheers gents !
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it is strictly, strictly for nailing ru.
ben_vulpes: saud vs ru?
ben_vulpes: and decreased revenue death for saud before tejas? gimme a break.
ben_vulpes: tejas already cannot afford infrastructure investment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15706 @ 0.00051358 = 8.0663 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00051413 = 5.0899 BTC [+]
jurov: anyone with foundation node, can you check if it says most recent block 000000000000000009e3 is bastard (and 1 block before it)?
jurov: restart fixed it, most likely just my memory corruption.. jus' asking
jurov: feels so weird to revisit this stuff years after
assbot: The Truth behind BIP 16 and 17 | Bitcoin Media ... ( )
jurov: (0.5.4 supports neither)
asciilifeform: eh, just when i thought jurov had it licked
jurov: i had what?
asciilifeform: the tx deallocation thing
mircea_popescu: not so, i once even posted a totally flat penis in between two acrylic boards
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu winz again it seems.
mircea_popescu: plus that mangled one that looked like a snail
asciilifeform now remembers this also.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00051358 = 21.3136 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: it is strictly, strictly for nailing ru. << no it's not dood. first off, it's for nailing the us. which it splendidly did, put obama's faint attempt at reindustrialization squarely in the air.
mircea_popescu: but more broadly, it's a bid for survival. for as long as they still have oil reserves, the risk of oil no longer being used is much larger than the "loss" of selling it cheap.
asciilifeform: once you subtract the eco-lysenkoist claptrap (e.g., 'renewable') - what's left is, what, fischer-tropsch? the fission machines that the west has forgotten how to build or maintain ?
asciilifeform: so where is 'risk of not being used' in petro ?
mircea_popescu: nuclear.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu should enjoy the low background of the southern hem. while it lasts then...
mircea_popescu: if the decision is made to actually switch to electricity, with the few trn worth of industrial adjustments this would take, oil could in fact be a curio in two decades.
mircea_popescu: no more truck haulage ; no more cars for the plebs - either tesla or bycicle
asciilifeform has always wondered why, precisely, this never happens
mircea_popescu: it's a definite possibility, one the nato spent 20 years+ at assembling
mircea_popescu: currently it isn't happening because oil went to 20 and cut them at the knees
mircea_popescu: oil is definitely one of those things that you either have the si fab or forget about it.
mircea_popescu: so once it's gone, it's gone.
mircea_popescu: strategically speasking, the decision to firesell it was unavoidable. which is why ru and sa are still best buttbudies
mircea_popescu: ironically, the move would actually stand a decent chance at fixing the us.
mircea_popescu: they can't actually maintain the road infrastructure. they could, perhaps, be able to run decent railroad instead. it's a degree of magnitude cheaper.
asciilifeform: it blew me away when i learned that usa, home of the original mega-railroads, was today a rail-backwater like africa
asciilifeform: hell, iirc india today has more active track than usa.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nato put some sweat into electro-catalytic synthesis of jet fuel, etc. but usa lives and dies by the 'plebes in cars' thing. and if there's been any serious push against this, it is a very well-kept secret
asciilifeform: public transport here, esp. outside of the handful of mega-conurbations, is a joke.
asciilifeform: 'PSS is harder to implement because it uses randomness -- randomness is hard on many embedded systems like smart cards. The most proclaimed advantage of PSS is that it has a "security proof" with, apparently, a rather tight reduction (see this page for some references). Security proofs are not an easy subject; the proof for OAEP (the encryption padding which is like the "sister protocol" to PSS) was found out to be wrong by Sh
asciilifeform: oup and then repaired again by Fujisaki, Okamoto, Pointcheval and Stern....'
asciilifeform: forfuxxsake
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10414 @ 0.00051358 = 5.3484 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28378 @ 0.00051358 = 14.5744 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5631 @ 0.00051357 = 2.8919 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22331 @ 0.00051836 = 11.5755 BTC [+] {2}
phf: kakobrekla: hey, so log entry #1314006 has a handful of newlines in the entry itself. what's the convention there? \n\t\t as line continuation?
BingoBoingo: "On a personal "hate ramen noodles and tuna" level, I agree. But my good-for-project-good-for-the-world side says the OpenBSD Foundation is more effective at growing the contribution pie and in particular funding the hackathons where great work happens." - Theo De Raadt
mircea_popescu: he could be alf word for word
mircea_popescu: "this makes no sense but i'm going to be insane nevertheless - anything, anything just as long as i stay depersonalized kthx"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8843 @ 0.00051135 = 4.5219 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24414 @ 0.00050859 = 12.4167 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1
Duffer1: am i the only one having probs lately w/ freenode?
BingoBoingo: No everyone is/has problems
trinque: Duffer1: see logs; ample discussion of ddos
asciilifeform: mirce_popescu et al : if i ever dementia into the 'the hackathons where great work happens' level plz take me behind the shed & shoot. k thx
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