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deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1CB26FAAEE6F4F6C493FEDAB70602DD6771C643BEBABD7AFBD51B72D0CE51A8D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1566...6727 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '64.129.88.132 (ssh-rsa key from 64.129.88.132 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (64-129-88-132.static.ctl.one. US TN)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0FC58288ECBC1BDAD86A1D99D09C2B85517E02A72390F6CFB378AF87AAB6840F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1549...5317 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '134.169.9.51 (ssh-rsa key from 134.169.9.51 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE NI)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ACA7CBF1B441A8D2E63CD93CEAF781222E39F4662CBFFB1A70D508FA3610C59C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1534...5097 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.201.55.80 (ssh-rsa key from 91.201.55.80 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (u6026.netangels.ru. RU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/13B9634AB1625216E961F690C790F9232A8DB51D071E33A48196794C879B9523 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1356...7313 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '59.152.197.147 (ssh-rsa key from 59.152.197.147 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown HK)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1CB26FAAEE6F4F6C493FEDAB70602DD6771C643BEBABD7AFBD51B72D0CE51A8D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1415...5359 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '64.129.88.132 (ssh-rsa key from 64.129.88.132 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (64-129-88-132.static.ctl.one. US TN)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ACA7CBF1B441A8D2E63CD93CEAF781222E39F4662CBFFB1A70D508FA3610C59C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1501...0227 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.201.55.80 (ssh-rsa key from 91.201.55.80 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (u6026.netangels.ru. RU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/564615629DC91F2381C7E379C44EB9B72C6A182C76B3903826E08DAA4D7023BF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1496...4893 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.39.123.81 (ssh-rsa key from 189.39.123.81 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (81.123.39.189.smart.net.br. BR PE)
mod6: Mornin'!
asciilifeform: ohai mod6
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-26#1805608 << i know 'explain' command, but its output was of 0 help in re: e.g. the 'in ...' vs 'not in ...' puzzle. and pretty much everywhere else.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-26 03:41 trinque: re: db, I'm reserving a lul now for when asciilifeform discovers that postgresql does, in fact, tell you what an operation will cost before you run it.
asciilifeform: but yes, trinque , as phf demonstrated, with sufficient years of study of black magic, it is almost possible to use sql as if it were a sane tool created by sane people.
mod6: I've always thought that DBAs are the most masochistic of the bunch.
mod6: It was recently that someone was like, "Hey, come work for us, there is a role as Database Arch..." "Umm. No thanks..."
mod6: That's one role that I've never wanted to have. I've watched these people wanna kill themselves for 20 years.
mod6: It can be especially bad when you inherit a wing-ding pile of garbage (i.e. no constraints, the usual nonsense) that also happens to be a sacred cow.
mod6: "OMG YOU CAN'T PUT IN KEYS!? THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!1"
mod6: No, Thank You for playing. I'll go make screwdriver handles instead.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, as a general rule, when diagnosis tools are 0 help pretty much everywhere the problem is not the "poor quality of the ultrasound". you gotta be a doctor to read those.
mod6: this is true, explain plans can be hard to decipher when you first start looking at them.
mod6: more forum
mircea_popescu: mod6, amusingly, dba is one of the few it fields i'm somewhat familiar with. never wanted to kill self.
mod6: We're lucky then!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-26#1805578 << article updated; possibly 1st time querying ( believe or not... ) reddit, yielded up a useful seekrit
a111: Logged on 2018-04-26 00:05 deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2326 << Loper OS - Open Problem: Delousing the Asus C101PA.
mircea_popescu: i think the problem is rather that people try to do it as work for hire. which works well enough for "flash programmers" and php copy-pasters and i guess "web designers".
mircea_popescu: but databases have this problem asciilifeform ran into, too, whereby they dun care about your mental models, adapt to their needs or go awya.
mod6: yes.
mod6: Ususally these guys come in and have to wrangle this mess of shit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is troo of ~all~ programming systems; only variation is in just how perverse the imposed model
mircea_popescu: and since most people a) have to deal with "idea men", ie dorks whose undisciplined mental process was never really checked by reality and b) don't ever have the authority to tell them off... well... of course the result is temptation to suicide.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, exactly.
mod6: I kinda like trying to performance tune databases a bit... just as long as I don't have to "own" the db.
mod6: The field has a lot of depth. It's kinda wild.
mod6: For instance, the database in the salt mine here, is 400+ tables and growing.
asciilifeform: ( 'how perverse the imposed model' is imho not a purely subjective statement -- and goes back to the 'orthogonality' discussion; if , as in the earlier thread, in your system adding a 'not' gate suddenly turns a o(n log n) op into a o(n^2), this is perverse, as there cannot be any mathematical justification for it, it is purely a result of braindamaged programmers
asciilifeform: )
mod6: Most of these need not exist. But, alas, sacred cow. Na na na na. Can't touch this.
mod6: So, don't mind looking at it, just don't wanna be responsible for it :]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, there ~can~ be a reason for it. you're saying "whether the geometry is braindamaged or not depends on whether my naive assumptions of metrics are satisfied or not, therefore only some of the n-spheres are valid geometry". not so.
mircea_popescu: now, whether the abstrusity has any good practical reason, that's a different concern. but in principle you can end up with the sad fate where both "trying to go to the store" is a lifetime adventure and there's very good reasons for it being so.
asciilifeform: if i calculate the actual algorithmic cost from first principles and it is asymptotically less than what postgres gives -- postgres is braindamaged, and there is no court of appeal
mircea_popescu: which is why i don't agree "wild west ie wisconsin in 1860" is "braindamaged". notwithstanding the sheer lack of convenience stores.
asciilifeform: (rather than 'naive assumptions')
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, from the same "first principles" you can expect impossible properties in extended geometries. you're familiar with this, yes ?
asciilifeform: familiar, and i dispute the relevance.
mircea_popescu: but on what grounds ?
asciilifeform: because this here is an elementary instance of 'f-student uses bubble sort where adult would quicksort'
asciilifeform: somewhere, in there. as evidenced by the unjustifiable slow.
mircea_popescu: i do not think so.
asciilifeform: granted, i know from whence this came, it is from db system trying to be 'all things to all people'
mircea_popescu: well so then.
asciilifeform: ( seealso oldthread, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624517 )
a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 19:34 asciilifeform: Framedragger: i am increasingly finding that 'general purpose db' is, like the infamous 'vise-grip', The Wrong Tool For Every Job
asciilifeform: btw interestingly enuff, last night i upped the working memory for postgres to 64GB (from 128MB default), and the per-connection buffer to 2GB (from 2MB default) , and this resulted in 0 measurable change in performance.
asciilifeform: apparently linux disk caching is already pretty good.
asciilifeform: and does ~same thing
mircea_popescu: that it is.
asciilifeform: dug also for some days re how to make the counting ops (for 'stats' page) not be o(N), and found 0 usefully actionable pill
asciilifeform: ( i burned considerable time on this and related questions prior to the outage also, to similarly disappointing result )
mircea_popescu: autoindex the table report the index.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry. autoINCREMENT.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is trivial for only the items that correspond to rows of a table
mircea_popescu: SELECT LAST_INSERT_ID(); always faster than select count*
mircea_popescu: well, i imagine eg the cracked moduli get sent to a table of their own.
asciilifeform: however 'has factors' does not correspond to a row.
asciilifeform: they do NOT.
asciilifeform: and will not. this is fundamental.
mircea_popescu: why not ? it's cheap.
mircea_popescu: save a copy somewhere, what's it cost you.
asciilifeform: it is not cheap, the copy has to be updated continuously
mircea_popescu: just one insert whenever you find a nerw one.
asciilifeform: this was in phuctor v.2 (prev ver) , and was one of the things that made it bog-slow
mircea_popescu: if it's cheap enough for deedbot to broadcast, it's cheap enough for an insert
asciilifeform: deedbot gets rss turd that is a cached copy, generated asynchronously
mircea_popescu: i can't see how this could possibly work ?! so you made a special, "this is where we copy cracked moduli" table, and inserted into it, and this slowed your querties on your main table ?
asciilifeform: the mega-optimization of the third rewrite, was to make the werker ( c proggy, number cruncher ) process ~never~ touch the moduli table. so that the latter could be continuously filled up by new inputs, and not lock
mod6: shouldn't have been a problem with row-level locking neh?
asciilifeform: mod6: table-level locking. in postgres.
mod6: wat, ish.
mod6: there's gotta be.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, seems to me you can always fill the cracked moduli table at the time you announce them to deedbot. shouldn't lock your main moduli table in being a diff table.
mircea_popescu: then you can offer a count as good as anyone knows.
asciilifeform: the 'announce' is not a push process. when rss pg is loaded, and cache expired, it actually issues the query
mircea_popescu: so ?
asciilifeform: i.e. 'for which moduli, are there known factors'
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asciilifeform: mod6: ???
mircea_popescu: ~at that time~, whenever it is, you can also insert them into a separate table with an autoindex field.
mod6: christ, sorry.
mircea_popescu: lol
mod6: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/explicit-locking.html << 13.3.2
mod6: anyway, might be a moot point now that youve changed your number crucher thingy.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-26#1805702 << i'm surprised that mircea_popescu did not go straight to 'increment a counter when they're found!'
a111: Logged on 2018-04-26 16:06 mircea_popescu: ~at that time~, whenever it is, you can also insert them into a separate table with an autoindex field.
mircea_popescu: well, at some point.
mircea_popescu: if your complaint is "why is my counting take time to count", the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-26#1805658 solution is "keep a count, add to it".
a111: Logged on 2018-04-26 15:45 asciilifeform: because this here is an elementary instance of 'f-student uses bubble sort where adult would quicksort'
mircea_popescu: but i'm guessing "first principles" means different things depending on who's wielding it ?
asciilifeform: this sounds great until it is time to 'unfind' a factor, as in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805504 or the prev case where the thing turned up a corner case in bernstein and found 300+ or wat was it spurious factors
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 15:26 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805475 << lol somehow nobody but me noticed the bug. i fixed it this morning, all that remains is to clean the crapola from the db, will do this after backup
mircea_popescu: yes well. write better code.
asciilifeform: and find better bernsteins lol
mircea_popescu: but srsly, so what, you dirty the count and re-run the op to find it. big whoop, hapens once every 5 years
asciilifeform: wasn't a 'code bug', but algo.
phf: i suspect that's it's my favorite SAT, mapping declarative problems to an optimal imperative solution is NP, but nobody approaches it that way anyway, instead it's heuristics which have specific failure modes on case by case basis. ascii can see see the "obvious" derivation of optimal imperative solution from declarative code, but postgresql's compiler can't
asciilifeform: phf: aha. process is unpleasantly reminiscent of programming in, e.g., 'prolog'.
phf: i suspect a lot of these obvious derivations are well known too, but there's like 5 people who know enough postgresql internals to implement them.
asciilifeform: 'when you paint the knobs blue, it's o(n log n), but if you paint'em green, it's o(n!)' etc
phf: that is implement the necessary optimization
asciilifeform: phf: and yes also it's a 'job creation language', and imho undeservedly gets good reputation among thinking people ( e.g. mircea_popescu ) because it is the 'jobs for greybeards' type, rather than 'for 19yo shits' a la perl
asciilifeform: and it lives on, and each new generation gets to suffer in it, because the only folx qualified to kill it are exactly those greybeards, who blew 20+ yrs of life on studying the voodoo incantations.
mod6: :D
mircea_popescu: phf, moreover, the incentive structure is FUCKED UP.
mircea_popescu: they're probably sitting somewhere polishing statuetters because the insane culture they live in misdirects them there rather than here.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform also suspects that the very problem of 'kill sql' is ill-posed, and that sane replacement would be a much humbler and lower-level thing that actually exposes the mathematical data structures -- e.g. btree -- in a programmable way, with no attempt at 'intelligence' and ~iron~ correspondence b/w what one writes and what the machine does )
mircea_popescu: which is how we have fucking "interfaces" and otherwise computers still run on an unexamined hope and an expiured prayer leftover from 1971
phf: asciilifeform: that's how allegro does it
asciilifeform: phf: also how 'joshua' did it, iirc
asciilifeform: or what was it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i doubt i'd use this item for anything.
asciilifeform: phf: 'statice'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: conceivably you could use a subset-of-sql-used-in-mpwp on top of it.
mircea_popescu: yeah, and this tower of pancake would have broken and i wouldn't use it.
asciilifeform: yet somehow the mysql 'tower of pancake' is solid enuff ?
asciilifeform: why not new tower, >= solid.
asciilifeform: ( not as if i have one in my pocket! but seems as if mircea_popescu disagrees that it could be made, in principle ?? )
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/small-town-school-board-faces-heat-over-inaccessible-second-floor-locker-room/ << Qntra - Small Town School Board Faces Heat Over "Inaccessible" Second Floor Locker Room
mircea_popescu: very fucking solid lol. it's run trilema for years!!1
phf: mircea_popescu: the ones that don't tend to be contracted by large postgresql users, but then the incentive is fucked up, because large postgresql users have already worked around the well known voodoo cases and want fancy new features instead, that run orthogonal to core (and in a very high level architectural sense are often the result of the core's "voodoo" limitations)
mircea_popescu: you understand this ? your car ALSO doesn't expose injector timings to you. i don't care you think you'd do a better job by hand. the direction's been away froim the fucking clutch, even. i personally own a car running tiptonic gearbox and girl who's an excellent stick driver, and she STILL prefers the autoclutch. because the machine does it way the fuck better, what.
mircea_popescu: phf, yup. exactly.
mircea_popescu: the mechanical impedance of the pedal drowns out any possible contribution the human c9ould put in. the stick can fucking detect "hey, we're getting moved, undo the coupling!" electronically well enough
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: problem is that the 'auto gearbox' in postgres, isn't worth much
mircea_popescu: and so is the situation here, the management cost of the general purpose solution you propose by so far drowns out any possible benefit of "hey, alf had to learn something, instead of relying on his assumptions" you can't imagine.
asciilifeform: and reasonable performance seems to require manual shift and 'formula 1' pro race driver
mircea_popescu: it's not worth much to you, ands this because you don't want to write postgres.
mircea_popescu: which is fine. BUT IRRELEVANT.
mircea_popescu: the ticket to insanity is trying to adapt systems for the benefit of those who didn't want to use them in the first place.
mircea_popescu: ties neatly into the above discussion re wasted talent also.
asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu recognize a diff b/w e.g. 'you must learn grassman algebra to understand $system' and 'you must learn postgres 10.0 ...' ?
mircea_popescu: your problem isn't "postregs 10.0". your problem is exactly what i told you yest -- you want support for your recursion exposed by a fucking declarative lang. wtf.
mircea_popescu: it will NEVER happen.
asciilifeform: phf in fact yielded up a pill that 1) makes it happen 2) doesn't write to disk
mircea_popescu: because he knows both you and it well enough to lie to both and neither of you get it.
mircea_popescu: which yes, marks him for an exceptional manager, but remember -- traddutore, tradditore.
asciilifeform: how's it a lie ? i measured it, it dun write.
mircea_popescu: right-o.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and reasonable performance seems to require manual shift and 'formula 1' pro race driver << Nah, Plenty of enthusiast vehicles are starting to get a "Drag Racing" transmission mode. Shifting in motorsports is mostly preserved for the sport aspect as opposed to the motor part.
BingoBoingo: Put vehicle into "drag race" mode. Smash gas pedal. Hold Steering wheel.
asciilifeform: incidentally , seems to me that this thread is rightfully part of the 40+ yr 'compilers vs hand asm' wars.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-26#1805748 << can't resist to come back to this one : imho some types of 'learning' are actually bad for health. ever wonder ~why~ the greybeards are incurable, and never show here ? doesn't seem to you that 20yrs polishing expertise in msexcel^H^H^H^Hpostgres might have something to do with it ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-26 17:03 mircea_popescu: and so is the situation here, the management cost of the general purpose solution you propose by so far drowns out any possible benefit of "hey, alf had to learn something, instead of relying on his assumptions" you can't imagine.
mircea_popescu: might be, yes.
asciilifeform: recall the trilema piece re 'machinist is not professional, but an accessory to the machine' ?
mircea_popescu: i do.
asciilifeform: imho 'study arcana of $system' is exactly that. yes, from narrowly tunnelled picture of efficacy -- 'the thing to do.' but from 'want to be man, not extension of machine' pov -- problem.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, you will not die if you step out of a narrow model. you're a very elegant thinker, and evidently imagine elegance is the only possible value. nevertheless, adherence can on occasion, howsoever rarely but proportionally painfully, actually more valuable than elegance.
mircea_popescu: pretty much every single thread of "oh, alf could solve this problem -- in a vacuum" comes down to this, an incorrect choice between the two in one of those rare field cases where adherence actually trumps elegance.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with declarative languages ; as proven by the very fact that you find yourself constrained to use them NOW AND AGAIN.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-story-of-the-bitter-thorn-and-other-terrors/ << Trilema - The story of the bitter thorn and other terrors
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2C25ED03E53166D7F006E5BE5355A2DE3F122DD94F3971DBB7D23C21355872B7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1650...6297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.78.96.233 (ssh-rsa key from 77.78.96.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (kvm.casablanca.cz. CZ)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/564615629DC91F2381C7E379C44EB9B72C6A182C76B3903826E08DAA4D7023BF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1685...4233 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.39.123.81 (ssh-rsa key from 189.39.123.81 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (81.123.39.189.smart.net.br. BR PE)
asciilifeform: meanwhile in entomology dept, https://archive.li/oV50b
trinque: is this the same libreboot tranny, or yet another one
trinque: who can differentiate them
asciilifeform: trinque: believe or not, different one.
asciilifeform: they have at least several.
trinque: castrati gotta remove the taint!
mircea_popescu: amusingly, dumbass forgot to start by saying "as mp told me would happen in http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/ i was unable..."
asciilifeform: trinque: folx who smash their heads repeatedly against immovable (with the available tools) wall, begin to resemble one another, independently of precisely which wall is chosen
mircea_popescu: "From March 2011 on, I have spent an insane amount of time on this. Codethink paid, all-in-all, 6 weeks of my time when i was between customer projects." << and then come here asking for TWENTy MILLIONS
asciilifeform: lolwat when was this
mircea_popescu: because totally, that's what i'm competing with. it's not the case that per-hour imperial pay for computer work is under a cent.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, some dood, thought she did something or the other in crypto
mircea_popescu: excuse me if they all run together in my mind.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what cent, these folx work ('work'...?) for ~phree
asciilifeform: cent is like a beautiful dream, for most opensores sufferers
mircea_popescu: fuck 'em.
mircea_popescu: https://archive.li/XmwAh << anyway, fwiw the better emo rant (aptly -- on livejournal).
mircea_popescu: not really worth reading.
asciilifeform: aa the gpu d00d
mircea_popescu: "Now I have a choice. I can wait until i am in the mood to clean up this code and produce something useful for public consumption, and in the meantime see my name and my work slandered. Or... If i throw my (nasty) code over the wall, someone will rename/rewrite it, mess up a lot of things, and trash me for not having done corner X or Y, so essentially slander me and my work and probably even erase my achievements from history
mircea_popescu: , by using more of my work against me... And in the latter case i give people like Jasper and companies like Endless Mobile what they want, in spite of their contemptible actions and statements. Logically, there is only one conclusion possible in that constellation."
mircea_popescu: bla bla bla bla.
asciilifeform: ( it was the root wank behind the others, i did not link to it because it is deeply opaque other than to dedicated entomologist )
asciilifeform: sleep of reason begatting monsters, or how did it go.
mircea_popescu: i honestly enjoy watching "good men" in the sense of dedicatedly evil but biologically promising intellects like this fucktard, the murdock dork and so on getting fucked.
asciilifeform: the d00d throwing away his sores, is classical 'назло кондуктору: куплю билет пойду пешком!' analchild maculae
mircea_popescu: everyone else has the ready excuse : i'm with usg because who else would give a straw hat for the asshole of a barely literate black woman ? ~condolezza rice.
mircea_popescu: that much makes sense. the empire of idiots is for and by idiots, yes.
asciilifeform: ('to spite the conductor! i'll buy a ticket and.. WALK!11')
mircea_popescu: heretics joining them -- well they utterly fucking deserve everything they get, don't they.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, exactly so.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presumably they labour under belief that they're in opposition to thebeast. ( rather than the reality of 'obrien' and 'can of coke on the left', 'blue usg', etc padded playrooms )
mircea_popescu: yaya.
mircea_popescu: they know better.
asciilifeform: the concern with usg.legality of throwing open 'nda' datashits, leaked src, etc. among the 'respects yer fleadom!11' folx, asciilifeform found 'zoologically' allergenic turn-off even 10yrs ago, barfed, long before encountering mircea_popescu et al
mircea_popescu: i do not even for a second believe they don't know better.
mircea_popescu: exactly like i don't for a second btcvixen or w/e it was doesn't know he's just a sad dork with a self-mutilated penis.
mircea_popescu: but they're doing the "Clever" thing they picked up at kiddy rape farm (aka "school" in their lingo), whereby "doing it because getting away with it"
asciilifeform: hey that's what the dope is for, neh, to put the remaining neurons to narcotic sleep
mircea_popescu: or w/e, "let's see how far i can push nonsense before daddy finally loves me enough to say something"
asciilifeform: the lolturd at the heart of the lj piece, 'This is pure unadulterated slander. Lima is not in any way tainted. It is freshly written MIT code and I was never exposed to original ARM code. This statement is an outrageous lie, and it is amazing that anyone in the open source world would lie like that and expect to get away with it.' << somehow does not occur to the author, that he has a problem , if the 'colour of the bits' is permitte
asciilifeform: d to matter, he can be slandered with impunity, troo or not
asciilifeform: yet -- he buys in.
trinque: https://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=0x2012&image=blt_2012_02_med << look at this dead-eyed creature
asciilifeform: trinque: ha. i expected the usual goatee transsexual thing.
asciilifeform: this one looks moar like escapee from chain gang
asciilifeform: ( or possibly psych ward )
asciilifeform: which one is he ?
trinque: creature from mircea_popescu's lj link
asciilifeform: aa
mircea_popescu: upgraded zombie!
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-26#1805820 << https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6hkNuykz2RE/maxresdefault.jpg
a111: Logged on 2018-04-26 19:43 trinque: https://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=0x2012&image=blt_2012_02_med << look at this dead-eyed creature
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2C25ED03E53166D7F006E5BE5355A2DE3F122DD94F3971DBB7D23C21355872B7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1497...1759 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.78.96.233 (ssh-rsa key from 77.78.96.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (kvm.casablanca.cz. CZ)
asciilifeform found only today that apparently 'coreboot' contains something like a minimal gnat runtimelib, as of 2016
asciilifeform: ( formerly 'linuxbios' )
asciilifeform: ave1 ^
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2018/04/panama-makes-me-ill/ << The Whet - Panama Makes Me Ill
asciilifeform: hanbot: on my display , the article is about an inch wide ( photos also squashed )
asciilifeform: what's moar, on several machines, with various wwwtrons
hanbot: oh, fun. i'll investigate, meanwhile it should read properly on the index
asciilifeform: oh hey worxnao
asciilifeform: ( from main pg )
asciilifeform only ever been in panamacityairport, and hated erry minute of it
hanbot: ohhyeah.
hanbot: i think it and heathrow are my least favorite.
asciilifeform: never did get the airport wifi to work, iirc
hanbot: there's a lounge ($50 entry, cc only) where it works, heh.
asciilifeform: presumably faraday-caged, lol
hanbot: possibly the fast food fumes interfere
BingoBoingo: Panama airport was a very exciting 45 minutes of my life
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/la-moartea-lui-fulger-on-trilema-rotaku-club/ << Trilema - La Moartea Lui Fulger on Trilema Rotaku Club
mod6: <+phf> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-26#1805820 << https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6hkNuykz2RE/maxresdefault.jpg << lol, i had the same thing in mind.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-26 19:43 trinque: https://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=0x2012&image=blt_2012_02_med << look at this dead-eyed creature
mod6: evenin tmsr~
mircea_popescu: ^ proofread item again, fixed like two dozen byte errors, so. reload if you're reading prior version.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in entomology dept, https://archive.li/9fLe8 ( continuation of ancient and forgotten lulzfest http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-13#1655371 )
a111: Logged on 2017-05-13 14:31 asciilifeform: the simon and speck thing was egregiously funny because they were published 'for lulz', 'maybe someone will pick up this toy', rather than mandated somewhere
mircea_popescu: just in time because we have these tough customers running out of reading material >D
mircea_popescu: "While no one has directly accused the NSA of inserting backdoors"
mircea_popescu: aaahahaha BULLSHIT.
asciilifeform: hey, was stamped 'entomology'!11
mircea_popescu: hey, world also is full of terminal cancer patients going "lalala my cancer went away"
asciilifeform: perhaps moar interestingly, also of stroke victims who genuinely think 'i can move that arm, just haven't been feeling like it'
mircea_popescu: it;s just a fleshwound!
hanbot: <asciilifeform> hanbot: on my display , the article is about an inch wide ( photos also squashed ) << fixed nao. thanks for reporting!
asciilifeform: verily, it is fixed!
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/175A4092F61F9C375817E0752E2ACCBD43E0ABD014580BBF6569EC16B36B6ECA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...8727 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '197.221.63.150 (ssh-rsa key from 197.221.63.150 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8159D44B9E52C12B332B065E91377A5B26D6841DB6EC4F7D8F88FB4191B3EADE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...8727 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '197.221.54.198 (ssh-rsa key from 197.221.54.198 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/13E82F824B83584C0CEC6D9C2D29B4DA59E8A469DAF84126A264FDD744B8488D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1216...8727 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '197.221.61.38 (ssh-rsa key from 197.221.61.38 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (chs-bac02.cpt4.remote.chs.hetzner.co.za. ZA)
mod6: asciilifeform: panamacityairport was that bad?
mod6 catches up here
mod6: nice post hanbot

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