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lobbes: trinque, ben_vulpes, I can't seem to get logbot to send messages from the 'outbox' table. Could either of you confirm that I'm entering data into the '' field in the right format? (e.g. does it need to be a 'raw' IRC message instead?) >>
lobbes: I'm seeing the NOTIFY messages in postgres when I insert into the outbox table, so I think the triggers are working. Log table is also getting inserts which confirms that irc/sbcl/postgres are interfacing. I'm trying to rule out any obvious things I might be missing
spyked: <-- atm it only knows ro-en and en-ro expressions, but I'm putting this (and other $srclang-$dstlang) in the queue. I'm curious if I can find dictionaries and put them into the proper format.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-21 14:41 mircea_popescu: !S ru-fr
spyked: <-- also, bucharest has a stable population of sparrows and other small birds during spring and summer (this in addition to the usual pigeons). some swallows, blackbirds, I've even seen woodpeckers at times. this in stark contrast to "civilized world" towns, where 0 birds, I've no idea what keeps them away.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-21 14:52 asciilifeform: << this might be the key re why mosquito hell in usa 'suburbia' -- the only public land there, is the asphalt. ( who wants spraying , has to specifically pay , and they come and spray out poison that kills errything that moves, frogs, cats, dogs, etc )
mircea_popescu: spyked wait a second, i dun follow. so it's just a word-substituter from list ?
spyked: mircea_popescu, yeah. looks up words from asciilifeform's text dictionaries.
mircea_popescu: spyked champion level of that is -- butterflies. i had butterflies flying overhead WHILE INSIDE OCEAN.
spyked: the thing I dun get is: bucharest is (if we're to believe official stats) one of the most polluted towns in europe. so why no birds in geneva. they must do something to keep them away.
mircea_popescu: 99.x% alsphalt.
spyked: that makes sense. most of the sun blocked here is by a thick wall of trees outside the window.
spyked: re. dictionary, I could also add google translate, but I expect that performs badly for expressions. let's take for example...
spyked: !S ro-en da de furca
spykedbot: a da de furca/ a da bataie de cap cuiva, a deranja/ a importuna pe cineva: to put smb. to trouble, to give smb. trouble
spyked: google translates this to "give it a fork". wtf.
spyked should improve the matching algorithm though. should allow for partial matches and selecting from multiple matches somehow.
spyked: !S ro-en da cuiva de furca
spykedbot: a da cuiva de furca: give smb. a gruelling time, to
diana_coman: give it a fork in the eye - might work
asciilifeform: << i suspect that butterfly is not quite perfect 'clean air gauge' : i've seen monarchs fluttering in the dourest cement jungles of usgistan.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 08:36 mircea_popescu: spyked champion level of that is -- butterflies. i had butterflies flying overhead WHILE INSIDE OCEAN.
hanbot: << ahaha did google translate make a pun?!
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 08:48 spykedbot: a da cuiva de furca: give smb. a gruelling time, to
asciilifeform: hanbot: the thing dun googletranslated, it's simply a grep into .txt
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 19:22 asciilifeform: << 313333337 w4r3z
hanbot: ah, okay. i misread as gt test run.
mircea_popescu: !S ro-en pizdele dau luzerilor de furca
spykedbot: No entries found for pizdele dau luzerilor de furca.
mircea_popescu: spykedbot well, the google translate approach is dubious at best, but at least ~it handles all inputs~. this is an important property.
mircea_popescu: now, for obvious reasons direct substitution engine on basis of dictionary list doesn't work -- language flexion, "a da de furca" becomes x DAU y DE FURCA and so on.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, fwih lisp is exactly ideal for this sort of tokenize-and-replace job. cuz ai and everything right ?
mircea_popescu: (something very similar was the original impetuus for mp asking ben_vulpes for candi [where is she btw ?] only to then discover after a whole day of basic-training-with-admirals that in fact the memory footprint for what i had in mind was ~infinite)
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in re: output of archaeology dig re:, and in particular : turns out, the orig theoretical model was a 1989 su item, kostylev & astanin's 'основы сверхширокополосных радиолокационных измерений' . then in early 2000s anglo academitards picked it up, and in 2009 subj 'died' after usg dictate 'i
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 16:40 mircea_popescu: current gear can't deal with pulse piracy
a111: Logged on 2017-11-04 15:09 asciilifeform: oh upstack re radios, the 'why not use aperidic wave, and entire spectrum' thing was of course not long ago hannobockized and redhatized by usg shills, as 'uwb (ultrawideband)' and 'regulated' and other rubbish.
asciilifeform: mprisoned' uwb to a uselessly short wavelength ( 2-4GHz, with a dip at 3 to 'avoid interfere with gps' ). the academitards naturally bent over backwards , killing whole forest printing paperola re 'optimal fcc-compliant gaussian pulse generation', some konsoomer crud was sold with 'uwb' to transmit vga over 3-4 metres in a room, and that was that.
asciilifeform: the funny, if obvious, bit, is that pulsing worx just fine over whatever band. just needs the correct pulse waveform.
asciilifeform: ( but of course you won't find it in anglo 'literature' . )
asciilifeform: lulzily enuff, for own needs , usg ( they use the limba de lemn 'low probability of interception' ) prefers old-fashioned 'frequency hopping', which requires nanosecond time synchronization ( i.e. for the gps sats to work ).
asciilifeform: as for 'uwb', they were content to issue ban edicts, and then for good measure to bernsteinize all of the remaining 'experts' they could get to.
asciilifeform: basic idea, however buried under mountain of paper rubbish, is deadly simple : instead of periodic wave, you send shaped bursts of 'static' that cover entire $band ( ideally, below noise floor ); on other side, receiver has a correspondingly-shaped filter. pulse position encoding + luby etc. for receive.
asciilifeform: interestingly, both tx and rx end is considerably simpler, physically, than conventional periodic radio -- you dun need oscillators, tuners, at all. aside from pulse shaper, whole thing fits in fpga.
mircea_popescu: << they're very sensitive to some classes of pollutants. unlikely the sort to be encountered in wash dc, there's no skyscrapewrs there, there's ~no industrial processes going and so on.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 16:01 asciilifeform: << i suspect that butterfly is not quite perfect 'clean air gauge' : i've seen monarchs fluttering in the dourest cement jungles of usgistan.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, auto exhaust apparently aint it.
mircea_popescu: not these days no mo.
mircea_popescu: ye olde diesel truck cloud of burnt oil, very much.
asciilifeform: funnily enuff plenty of old-fashioned burnt oil exhaust in usa -- from grass-cutting crapola
asciilifeform: ( by some accounts, good % of the 'smellable' pollution )
mircea_popescu: very likely.
mircea_popescu: "leafblower" etc
asciilifeform: they dun get 'emissions laws' Because Reasons (tm)
mircea_popescu: << possibly in the folder of "secret nobus of the future". which yes is a thing
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 17:02 asciilifeform: as for 'uwb', they were content to issue ban edicts, and then for good measure to bernsteinize all of the remaining 'experts' they could get to.
asciilifeform: wunderwaffen directorate.
mircea_popescu: "managed science".
asciilifeform: lulzy how 'seekrit wunderwaffen' academiban leaves black hole a mile wide that can be seen with naked eye in broad daylight.
mircea_popescu: "can be seen". by whom ?
asciilifeform: by folx willing to open their third eye!111
mircea_popescu: you're not supposed to exist, you know.
asciilifeform: so i gather.
asciilifeform: y'know, sorta like su physics folx were somehow expected not to notice in 1940 that 'phree world' academia stopped mentioning uranium.
mircea_popescu: the color of uranium delicious cake is yellow.
BingoBoingo: Aite, the apartment now has a plant
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: thanks for teh ping
mircea_popescu: thanks for the bot! lol
ben_vulpes: lobbes: that the outbox table has entries in it suggests that logbot-start-pg-thread was never called
lobbes: ben_vulpes: Ah okay, thank you. Perhaps my postgres installation is borked w/ regards to threading then
lobbes: problem is I can't even figure out -where- the thing is failing. Just.. silently doesn't work. I got to figure out how logging works with sbcl REPL I guess
asciilifeform: oh almost forgot, for thread-completeness : << >> << for the serious aficionado.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 16:56 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in re: output of archaeology dig re:, and in particular : turns out, the orig theoretical model was a 1989 su item, kostylev & astanin's 'основы сверхширокополосных радиолокационных измерений' . then in early 2000s anglo academitards picked it up, and in 2009 subj 'died' after usg dictate 'i
asciilifeform: ( and no there is no eng version published. anglos dun like to translate, they like to 'rediscover', lol )
asciilifeform: ^ vehehehery tasty 'yellow cake', for the literate.
asciilifeform: lobbes: how logging works with sbcl REPL << sorta what 'slime' is for
lobbes: yeah, looking like I'm gonna need to bite the bullet and learn some emacs already
phf: asciilifeform: your sig for aggressive pushgetblocks is binary
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 2 days, 0 hours, and 1 minute ago: <asciilifeform> plox to update stable trb tree in from mod6's
phf: ^ updated
mod6: <+phf> asciilifeform: your sig for aggressive pushgetblocks is binary << confirmed. i didn't even notice o.O
asciilifeform: phf: oh hm
asciilifeform: iirc these can be fixed via mechanical conversion, without re-sign
asciilifeform: lessee...
asciilifeform: jurov: would it be simple matter to patch turdatron to reject these ?
mod6: fwiw, that one is the only one not ascii:
asciilifeform: ok, ftr :
asciilifeform: cat asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig.sad | gpg --enarmor | sed 's|ARMORED FILE|SIGNATURE|' > asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig
asciilifeform: ^ produces asciified and valid sig , from sad sig.
phf: asciilifeform: while you're at it, ffa_ch4_ffacalc is also binary
asciilifeform: apologies to all who broke teeth on this.
asciilifeform: phf: ty, i'ma fix
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just fucking resign, what, you're gonna bold an extra steam valve mechanism on everyone's process now ?
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with you. some things aren't worth fixing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it re-sign, this creates ~more~ work for people, nao they have to verify that it is sig for same thing.
mircea_popescu: sane people just ignored your previous patches ; rest should get sane.
asciilifeform: though to be fair i'ma have to regrind all of these when we switch to modernized v.
mircea_popescu: so no. if you sign it properly for the first time, it is signed properly for the first time.
ben_vulpes: lobbes: you have the thing running in a repl, right?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: observe, phf is the only one with a trooly , properly strict vtron, rejects non-uuencoded sigs.
asciilifeform: hence why i only ever get this report from him.
ben_vulpes: i don't even want to think about the code, compile, run loop outside of the emacs toiletron
ben_vulpes: there is always "evil mode" if you don't want to spend a month programming your own chords up front trolololol
asciilifeform: ( all of the older vtrons, mine, mod6's , pass the .sig straight to gpg, which doesn't care whether uuencoded )
mircea_popescu: i was about to say, it's about damn time we start taking a whole lot more seriously.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:23 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.
asciilifeform: i dun disagree.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also notice that jurov's thing was very strict for a long time, and you threw a hissy fit every time! nomoar of that, either!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: problem turned out to be in email sending end . he 'fixed' by emplacing a www file uploader thing, which i've used ever since.
asciilifeform: to this day i have not found how to send email ( from either squirrel or heathen emailtron ) that doesn't mutilate line endings.
mircea_popescu: in other probably good news, there's hope there's gonna be a gpr eulora server next week. inconceivably enough the whole thing can apparently be beaten into obedience.
asciilifeform: oh neato
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is on ave1's gnat ? or your vintage 4.4
diana_coman will party after that
diana_coman: asciilifeform, on ave1's gnat
asciilifeform: pretty neat
asciilifeform: builds c deps & all ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, there aren't many deps really (and we would like to have even fewer, working on that); it's zlib, curl, libmysqlclient, cal3d and cs
diana_coman: cs is the ugliest of them all
asciilifeform: i recall, diana_coman posted re subj, 100+MB 3d lib liquishit
mircea_popescu: curl prolly also getting ablated, but a thing at a time.
asciilifeform adds 'must uuencode' to own sign process , nomoar of this horror
mod6: are you going to post your new ascii-armored sig to the ML?
asciilifeform: mod6: it is already at ; if you'd like it on ml, say, i'll post
asciilifeform: currently i expect the great regrind of errything, is coming soon.
mod6: weird, i must have grabbed the wrong one from btcbase, was still binary
mod6 tries again
asciilifeform: know what, it is
mod6: yeah, that's binary
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in sad news of hardware, i had to power down a motherboard that had been going for a long, LONG time. and then... it wouldn't come back up.
mircea_popescu: would ~not even post!~. i dug up through the piles of forgotten disused shit until i found a speaker thingee. it had no beeps to make.
mod6: :[
mircea_popescu: and yet... the led light was on... the fans spun... but the video dead as dead can be. it wouldn't initialize the numlock light, even!
mircea_popescu: so i figure, who knows, maybe the cmos battery died, right ? it can happen, i suppose. went for the spare, but... no improvement.
mircea_popescu: moreover, god's own voltmeter revealed that the ~spare~ was as dead as a plain quarter ; whereas the item in the mobo originally was quite rhubarby.
mircea_popescu: so i look for busted caps, but strangely enough... there's no busted caps. AT ALL.
asciilifeform: mod6: hm, interestingly, i uploaded with jurov's widget, apparently silent fail
mircea_popescu: "maybe busted invisibly ?" when LO!! it's one of those idiotic amd boards that do not do diag, and if hardware config changed it locks. gotta short the RCTL pins to get it to look in its belly!
mircea_popescu: mobo fixed! yay!
mod6: mircea_popescu: nice!
mircea_popescu: ikr! was getting pretty despondent.
mod6: asciilifeform: hmm, alright, for now just wot paste it to me and I'll update the foundation website.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interesting. tho 1 nitpick -- voltmeter quite useless for distinguishing dead bios battery, erry 3v lithium cell i've ever thrown out, measured to ~3v ( just drops to 0 if you put a load on it )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "god's own voltmeter", here, denotes the glossa aka tongue.
asciilifeform: mod6: it seems to reject my clearsigned readme ( which verifies locally, i've nfi )
diana_coman: -> for future reference: this required cflags set because it turned out that configure failed to look in the correct place for the .h file; gentoo's own gcc used "--with-system-zlib" and got away with it; ave1's gcc did not
mod6: yeah, happens to me quite a bit too.
asciilifeform: mod6: << and if anybody wants to tell me what i'm doing wrong.
asciilifeform: ^ all 3 files.
mod6: Thanks, Sir.
mod6 gets
a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 15:23 diana_coman: basically I have zlib installed and I even checked: it IS in /lib but ./configure doesn't consider it fine
asciilifeform: jurov's thing gets me a 'Signature verification on clearsigned text failed, discarding. Review the message in your sent mail folder for wordwrap or similar mutilations of clearsigned text' despite the fact that i used the www front end ( ) and attached all 3 as attachment
mod6: that tarball sha512 is: 7e83baadb930b02ec6699d757444ad4b1ebeba4c6d435f87fd3c2c49d4b24aa5fdc00c59eaab0512013cdd904aed22acd0bc5122aa20b1074cbf38a2c64ccd0e
mod6: Can you confirm?
asciilifeform: confirmed
asciilifeform: ^ if anyone gets eggog on verification of either sig in this file (readme's or patch's) plox to lemme know
mod6: not that it matters, but the sig file is misnamed. i can just change the sigfile name.
mircea_popescu: it does matter.
asciilifeform: it matters , in particular in asciilifeform's vtron
asciilifeform: ( not covered under sig tho )
asciilifeform: mod6: but does the readme's sig verify on your box
asciilifeform: i dun see this in your paste
asciilifeform: currently i'm curious re why jurov's eater barfed
asciilifeform: remains puzzler then.
deedbot: << Qntra - Israel Evacuating Members Of "Syrian" Opposition Group "White Helmets" To Jordan And Beyond!
asciilifeform: << also relatedly, i've had busted caps where the damage was only visible through magnifying glass , tiny little hole , magic smoke released. ( luckily not the case for mircea_popescu's box , evidently, but does happen )
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 20:29 mircea_popescu: so i look for busted caps, but strangely enough... there's no busted caps. AT ALL.
mircea_popescu: i believe.
asciilifeform: they're built nominally to disgorge their guts by tearing on the cross striation on the top of the cap, but chinese cap makers dun make these very deep
asciilifeform: ^ i still have a crate of those caps. if yer an l1 , you can have some for cost of postage.
asciilifeform: ( if label is to be believed, genuine taiyo yuden a+++ )
asciilifeform: pro tip -- when recapping, use, as i did, 2x the rated voltage of old cap, last longer.
asciilifeform: ( horiz footprint is typically same )
asciilifeform: the tantalum filter cap on FUCKGOATS -- similarly 'margined'.
mod6: Alright all, the TRB vtree was updated with asciilifeform's ascii-armored pgp sig.
asciilifeform: phf: plox to replace the sad bin sig on btcbase with this one .
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in re earlier lulzthread , 'Freescale and Motorola decided to pull out of the UWB forum in 2006 ... If one searches for XS110 chipset today then the answer at Freescale website ( is that “Page Not Found”'
asciilifeform: 'European PULSERS project was terminated without any marketable result in 2009'
deedbot: << Daniel P. Barron - A True Church at PorcFest, in Review
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: 'He’s heard of the Republic, hasn’t gotten around to registering a key yet. Even brought his gentoo laptop to my site this year to pick my brain. I complimented him on having GCC < 5. Thing even had Stanislav’s crapolade mask file! ' << ha.
asciilifeform: wouldn't surprise me if it is being passed around, contextless, in heathendom, as 'make a gentoo sans systemd' pill.
phf: asciilifeform: will do, my thing detects, but it still lets it through issuing a warning
asciilifeform: phf: new one oughta produce no warnings
asciilifeform: in other noose, timecube lives?! >>
asciilifeform: ( bonus : found this wtf via... google ad )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently was around 3+years ago0 also.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: physics crackpots often have heroic persistence. and long life. evidently good for health...
mircea_popescu: evidently.
mircea_popescu: "That was also my first interaction with a woman named Rachel, and we’ll get back to her later! Lot’s to cover here." bwahahaha i'm all ears
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one of the things that never ceases to fascinate me re physics crackpots, is how rarely they grasp the sheer 'unreasonable effectiveness' of making ~political~ , rather than simply technical, cuts . ( observe, i dun need to read , much less attempt to individually refute, errything the strings people shit out -- for the same reason i dun need to read gavin's code . )
asciilifeform: !#s swanson debates
asciilifeform: ^ see also
asciilifeform: (for expert entomologists only!) << choice turd, by associate of the infamous adelberger, re weber ( who was anathemized and 'unhappened' ) , even includes hair-raising passage re how 'generous and accepting the physics community was , to keep publishing him'
asciilifeform: 'Eric Adelberger, one if the leaders of the group, “found Weber’s experiment to be completely unconvincing and realized that with a modest effort we could test his claim” (private communication).'
asciilifeform: ( does this remind you of anything... )
asciilifeform: !#s eotvos
asciilifeform: ^ see also.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very true. kinda why we;re even here, "helpless as blind kittens" very much a thing in "technical" cucks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: time passes, the coat of chrome , stolen from the respectables of the past, on the cuckitude, wears thinner , erry time i read something by these people, amazed at sheer wtf
asciilifeform: ( speaking here of the drowning-water suppliers , i.e. the adelbergers, rather than the blind kittens )
asciilifeform: how did it go, 'the master won't give you the tools with which to demolish his house', etc
mircea_popescu: was re <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: one of the things that never ceases to fascinate me re physics crackpots, is how rarely they grasp the sheer 'unreasonable effectiveness' of making ~political~ , rather than simply technical, cuts
mircea_popescu: anyway, as to the substantive matter, it's pretty well established by now that gravity, if indeed mediated, is not mediated by something that readily assumes a wave form.
mircea_popescu: light, by comparison, is indeed mediated, and by something that somewhat readily does assume wave form (take the overlapping-mosquito-nets-over-sun experiment to trivially see this). \
mircea_popescu: the one remaining fundamental (magnetism) is mediated by something so fucking ready to take wave frorm it was in fact discussed as a wave from the get go, and supported the early understanding of the item that later turned out to be a fundamental manifestation of interaction mediators (teh wave).
mircea_popescu: hence all the iron filings "experiments".
mircea_popescu: << pretty lulzy earlier stuff from the same tienzengong thing. "how ?!" well how the fuck fucking how, doh. all of pantsuit's in there, neh.
mircea_popescu: "Second, now theory develops into a FAMILY theories. When one member of the family is killed, the survival members will quickly mutate to accommodate the killing data, such as M-string theory, SUSY, multiverse and the inflation scenarios. That is, the Popperianism is now totally USELESS."
mircea_popescu: this is not even a weak observation.
asciilifeform: lulzily enuff, found $subj during dig for whether anybody ever built a uwb antenna for hf ( 0-30MHz ). ( spoiler : nobody, publicly, as It Would Be Wrong (tm)(r) per hitler decree )
mircea_popescu: ah, all the lulzy polarization arrays they've been doing ?
mircea_popescu: you know it's like, 5th installment iirc just got brought up a few years ago
asciilifeform: usg phased array radar ? they're uwb, yes, but for >10GHz
mircea_popescu: i mean, the "gravity wave" folk keep doing these large arrays to "observe" whatever.
asciilifeform: afaik the only inca empire that built one for hf was su, and it fell victim to chernobyl incident ( ruin is still there )
mircea_popescu: "BICEP3 consists of a single telescope with the same 2560 detectors (observing at 95 GHz) as the five-telescope Keck array, but a 68 cm aperture [...] began collecting data on 15 May 2016."
asciilifeform: not clear to me how these are meant to work on earth surface -- ionosphere randomly repolarizes
asciilifeform: ( i suppose they work a+++ for the intended purpose -- printolade vacuum , dissertation mint )
mircea_popescu: "south pole". it's magical in that they can "eliminate that by models"
asciilifeform: ahahahaha
mircea_popescu: exactly as you say : great way to feed a fambly.
mircea_popescu: hey, it works well for the "earth sciences" fucks.
asciilifeform: ( the ionosphere thing, btw, isn't exactly nsa seekrit, even the folx know it )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-15 16:47 asciilifeform surveyed what remains of shortwave , it's mostly empty, and what remains is largely these derps, 'texas can you hear me' 'this is utah, we can hear you' etc etc
asciilifeform: iirc subj is even touched in the ceremonial 'exam' usg makes'em take to buy 'license' (to spew rubbish into designated leprosoriae bands )
mircea_popescu: il patende di botana!
mircea_popescu: il patente di botana!
asciilifeform: lemme guess, mussolinic version of subj ?
mircea_popescu: eh, line from obscure movie ; unfaithful wive explains "how it happened", "i was going to get my license [meaning, driving license]" and husband asks "the whore patent ?"
mircea_popescu: sicilian dialect. putana, whore
asciilifeform: tho there's a lulzy false cognate in modern ru, ботан ( orig short 'botanist' ) but in effect learned fool, 'dweeb'
mircea_popescu: in ro "botanista" (always a girl) denotes the cheap whore that sucks you off in the bushes. (yes, whoredom is stratified, doh.)
mircea_popescu: it's amusingly cognatish, because russian botan, and also "bot" (muzzle) directly referencing the activity, and then of course, botanics.
mircea_popescu: it's not even fucking clear which pathway it took.
asciilifeform: of course stratified. just as errybody has 'medic', 'nurse', 'surgeon', 'pharmacist', for various aspects of medical trade, wai not whores
mircea_popescu: just about, actually.
asciilifeform: rounding off the uwb thread, for the l0gz : the antennae are the only nontrivial part. given as you do not actually need the sub-nanosecond pulses that are the subj of the 9000 dissertations littering the net, if you dun intend to kowtow to the 'fcc uwb regulatory' crapola.
mircea_popescu: probably very thin silver is the way to go ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tricky bit is shape, rather than material ( and for quarter-wave , you need a 2-3 metre on the wide end thing )
asciilifeform: << 6GHz item, pocket-sized. not so simple to scale up, 2x2metre pcb is not off the shelf item )
asciilifeform: the useful lit, turns out, is 1910s stuff, from age of 'spark gap'.
asciilifeform: 1 interesting aspect is that the 'correctness' of the antenna dun matter nearly so much as it does in conventional 'periodic' radio -- for so long as the 2 ends of the rx-tx have similar ones
asciilifeform: could almost say it is 'cipher key', of sorts
mircea_popescu: prolly best move then is to identify corresponding standard item.
mircea_popescu: "transmission rod", w/e.
asciilifeform: quite interesting, imho, problem , in that virtually errything written since 1910s is ~entirely inapplicable ( as it concerns tuned/narrowband systems )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's the lulzy part, the 'standard items' pretty much guaranteed not to work, they're built to be used in resonant (single-freq, or at least quite narrow band) system
mircea_popescu: nono. i mean, standard item used in some other application that works for this one.
mircea_popescu: "so and so rebar"
mircea_popescu: "so and so copper fitting"
asciilifeform: tho conceivably a correct triangle of ordinary hf antenna wire, worx .
asciilifeform: ( the 1910s item, was approx kite-shaped )
asciilifeform: generally you dun need anyffing nearly as solid as rebar, unless yer pumping 10s of kW into the thing
mircea_popescu: cheap and easily disguised.
asciilifeform: thin wires ditto
asciilifeform: ( plenty of hf antennae in orcistans masquerade as clotheslines )
asciilifeform: lulzily, found usg's : << they ripped their scheme directly from the planar variant in
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 19:21 asciilifeform: oh almost forgot, for thread-completeness : << >> << for the serious aficionado.
mircea_popescu: the word is "rediscovered".
asciilifeform: the height of the plastic insulators suggests that they're throwing a coupla kV across it ( for 5-10kW of output )
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 02:42 asciilifeform: 'they cloink a coupla with the sledgehammer so as to break down the find into shards the size they can fit in a pocket, after which they stick it on their oxcart'
asciilifeform: nobody bothered to sit down and try and derive, etc, they evidently went 'let's crib from ancient su lore', without skipping a beat
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