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BingoBoingo: This is substantial hassle for having dared to try redeeming an itunes gift card 11 years ago.
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] What is it about April? - http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/24/what-is-it-about-april/
shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4g6u85/1btcxe_ripped_me_off/ <<< Now he has more time to study in English class and learn proper paragraph structure and such.
shinohai: ^ 403
phf: (not for me)
shinohai: I had to remove "static"
mircea_popescu: ;;ud shaonu
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Vivian+Hsu | ... actress, singer, songwriter, and model. AShe's also the recent endorser of Hang Ten. Love Storm, Say Say Say U Love Me, Decide to Love You, Shao Nu Dui.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud shao-nu
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Vivian+Hsu | ... actress, singer, songwriter, and model. AShe's also the recent endorser of Hang Ten. Love Storm, Say Say Say U Love Me, Decide to Love You, Shao Nu Dui.
mircea_popescu: eh internet what fucking good are you.
mircea_popescu: weren't you supposed to bring cultures together in the sense of inter-referential recontextualization you little bitch you.
BingoBoingo: That's not that internet, that's just tubblr
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo o ya ? find me if you will thefucking text of wilhelm's 1908 daily telegraph interview
BingoBoingo: Seems to just be snippets https://archive.is/APHo
mircea_popescu: o hey check out phf. nice.
mircea_popescu: i'll have to remember to only whine about this at parties and other safe havens away from earshot.
mircea_popescu: $up indoor_jellyfish
deedbot: indoor_jellyfish voiced for 30 minutes.
indoor_jellyfish is gabriel_laddel
mircea_popescu: phf have you read that thing btw ? it is nothing but inept commentary.
asciilifeform refreshes the ledger of teh phucked , ~1500 !
a111: Logged on 2016-04-24 16:02 deedbot: [Trilema] The Chosen - http://trilema.com/2016/the-chosen/
mircea_popescu: "Quickness to take insult and feel honor insulted is no longer considered the only or even the proper manner in which a nation
mircea_popescu: may show itself great and self-respecting and heroic. Much more of the new virtue is of course greatly needed ; but there is enough in sight already to indi- cate clearly in what direction the world, the family of nations, the community of peoples, is moving, in
mircea_popescu: spite of sensational newspapers, jingo blusterings and over-talkative rulers. For this let us be sincerely grateful.
mircea_popescu: Women and Peace.
mircea_popescu: blablablala"
mircea_popescu: teh fambly of nations.
asciilifeform: did we even know, they had shannonizer in 1908...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the interview in question is pretty funny in the whole gaddafi line, because it is EXACTLY the brits poking the dog so it may bite so it may be killed. and the dog is like "wtf is wrong with you people ?"
mircea_popescu: and "the people" are like o noes he insulted womanhood!
asciilifeform: this, i think, is well-known ?
asciilifeform: germany as kicked dog.
mircea_popescu: not by the internet.
asciilifeform: (rechargeable kicked dog, no less)
mircea_popescu: is not possible for the internet to know anything, apparently, outside of inane details of the valley of venus.
mircea_popescu: this whole construction is very well understood in marital terms. inept husbands try to treat the wife as another man, and reason with her in that manner, which works about as well as it worked for historical germany.
mircea_popescu: admitting this notion of equality that reduces to equivalence pretty much guarantees failure, which is why they keep insisting with it, obviously.
mircea_popescu: derpy wilhelm trying to actually "give assurances" and wondering why the shrew keeps nagging unabated. doh.
mircea_popescu: then the nazis took the other tack - gave exactly nothing while goebbels outshrewed the shrews in nagging, and as a result the whole fucking thing came apart.
phf: hilarious, you can find durpy commentary from boston same year, but not the original
mircea_popescu: phf aha.
asciilifeform: http://mysummerofsatoshis.website << hilarious sp4mz0r linkfarm shitpit BUT has qntra rss built in ...
mircea_popescu: lotsa these asciilifeform an' fyi if you remove the http part it doesn't link
shinohai: my eyes
mircea_popescu: mysummerofsatoshis.website
shinohai: Looks like someone went to the geocities school of coding.
phf: google archive has oct 27, 1908, but not oct 28 :o
mircea_popescu: the coincidences sure do pile.
asciilifeform: hey the brits ~still~ deny the lusitania thing
asciilifeform: ditto americans - the 'maine'
mircea_popescu: phf did you find all the inept psychanalizing yet btw ? german side, english side, hatred of mother, bla bla ?
mircea_popescu: it's incredible what the people who don't have the time to preserve historical documents nevertheless find time for.
mircea_popescu: "only available with slip from hitler" ?
phf: aye
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mircea_popescu: not about to encourage that bs.
BingoBoingo: ". @rabite fanfic by Mircea Popescu http://trilema.com/2016/the-chosen/ …"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only available from 'спецхран' !11111
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wonder if u.s. loc has it.
mircea_popescu: obviously every library with the newspaper has it, but i was discussing the intershit.
asciilifeform: not so obviously. i've found gaps.
mircea_popescu: "oh no, it is so valuable FOR HUMAN THOUGHT!!!1!!1 what will we do if it goes away"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol, yeah, maybe someone cut a hole in that day's edition all over the world. suddenly we have a whole mystery novel on our hands
asciilifeform: actually simpler than you think. most of the microfilm in american libs was supplied from just a few reproduction houses, and they in turn, from the orig publisher
phf: i think google newspapers archive comes from their library digitizing project, so quite possible that the copy is not easily accessible. this telegraph archive gives the bit as "highlight" so they are perhaps aware of their position
asciilifeform: it isn't as if library has own monkey scanning physical fishwrap.
asciilifeform: for 100 yrs.
mircea_popescu: phf to me that seems very much bait-and-switchy. if i were to judge, it'd make me guess they do not have it.
asciilifeform: copyrast back-catalogues have ~same relation to the actuality as 'winamp' playlists had to '90s w4r3z.
asciilifeform: (who remembers, how derps posted 'playlists' !!)
phf: first hit for "telegraph archive umd" gives http://lib.guides.umd.edu/c.php?g=326561&p=2197286 "slavery in maryland" since you guys appreciate that sort of snark
mircea_popescu: alf's picture on the cover ?
phf: have to be this shade percentage to qualify
mircea_popescu: oh i forgot, the irish slaves don't count, it's only congo that's on the vip list.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, this wilhelm being the original architect of the holocaust - not only by proposing that the correct response to "the nuisance" would be an all-worlds (ie, new and old) pogrom "a la Russe", but even by indicating gas!)
phf: is that same interview or elsewhere?
mircea_popescu: letter to mackensen, part of romanian folklore.
mircea_popescu: mackensen was staying in bucharest at the time.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456762 << speaking of which, so it's like 900k/1.2mn loaded and then it starts to tickle them ?
a111: Logged on 2016-04-24 16:10 asciilifeform refreshes the ledger of teh phucked , ~1500 !
deedbot: [Qntra] Failing Radioactive Waste Tanks At Hanford Site Put Pacific Coast On Edge - http://qntra.net/2016/04/failing-radioactive-waste-tanks-at-hanford-site-put-pacific-coast-on-edge/
BingoBoingo: ^re: dreamer tanks
BingoBoingo: I mean what, it's only a few hundred Fukushima's worth of waste?
mircea_popescu: no it's good like fluoride, strengthens teeth
mircea_popescu: only if niggers do it is bad. or
mircea_popescu: whatever you call the non-us people these days, i think it's not niggers anymore, maybe.
BingoBoingo: "When we met with the NEDC, we were again faced with the question of what ethnicity we would choose for our adopted embryos. We wanted additional siblings to feel connected to our first two children racially, and asked the team at the NEDC if we could be matched with African-American embryos."
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 16:38 asciilifeform: it is to be a massive batch factor thing.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-24 17:25 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456762 << speaking of which, so it's like 900k/1.2mn loaded and then it starts to tickle them ?
asciilifeform: gotta wait for the lot.
asciilifeform: see mega-p4p3r 'How to find smooth parts of integers' (Bernstein) .
mircea_popescu: o hey prev one even better.
mats: jesus is a helluva drug
shinohai: $b 1
deedbot: $b 1 is not a command.
jurov: hi, coinbr is fixed
jurov: and no, i can't release assets to users every time mpex order vanishes without reason
jurov: if i did that... i would not be doing anything anymore quickly
jurov: (i mean, release assets automatically)
mircea_popescu: makes sense.
BingoBoingo: ty jurov
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> Cucking on Steroids https://archive.is/wxoti <<< "my wife and i are anything we wish to pretend like we are. here's why we are currently pretending to be 'white evangelicals' while still transparently being redditard lefties : we're too dumb to realise a world outside of our head exists, and are perfectly happy to live on words."
phf: wtf
mircea_popescu: i kinda got a hankering for the old "young female is sent to be nurse/teacher/whatever at remote village, discovers and falls in love with local tractor driver" films.
mircea_popescu: at the time they were of course insufferable, but in the current context they're some of the better parodies available.
phf: my great grandmother called those movies агитка
mircea_popescu: does anyone happen to remember that [chinese i think it was ?] one where the culmination was some sort of productive inefficiency at a truck depot driven by gate congestion, so The Rebel backed up his truck into the compound wall tearing it down like straw (apparently back then the chinese trucks weren\t made out of tin foil) and making a new gate ?
mircea_popescu: i've not been able to locate it, perhaps because i can't remember any words.
mircea_popescu: phf yeah, those were mostly the glory days of soviet cinema, truck caravans with projectors embedded touring the country like a sort of circus act on steroids. the latter "tour bus" / "cocksucker blues" us star worship stuff but a pale copy.
mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure more moscow children were born in the ural as a result of that cinema push than for any other reason.
BingoBoingo: China still reacting MP's joke about moving there from last year http://chinalawtranslate.com/nsed/
mircea_popescu: the italians had a very similar thing going in the 50s as a result of the state planned "cinecita" in rome. il uomo delle stelle, famously, or stuff like cari fottutissimi amici more obscurely.
mircea_popescu: [discuss it, i mean].
phf: il cinema e l'arma piu forte
phf: come to think of it american 80s movies
phf: it's like best periods in cinema are also effective propaganda, and whatever continues is made by directors who honed their art during propaganda period or else it's унылое говно
mircea_popescu: this being also the argument as to cinema not being art.
mircea_popescu: (also the compete explanation offered privately as to why say pacino is an actor, and norton is a nobody : showed up at wrong time.)
mircea_popescu: competing*
phf: probably why inglorious basteds degenerated into slapstick, tarantino was trying to say something about cinema, propaganda and art and couldn't get the conclusion he wanted
phf: i liked norton until american history x, and i'm glad you wrote a teardown. what a shitty movie.
phf: i knew a handful of skinheads in russia through sambo and while i don't share their views i find the movie preposterous. an urban intelligentisa play-believes a tough guy, gets raped, cries and repents.
mircea_popescu: i honestly expected he'll blow off the charts, he was incredibly talented as a young man
mircea_popescu: a once-in-a-culture thing
mircea_popescu: but yes the fundamental truth behind the propaganda is exactly this cold reality : "nobody wants you, middle class america." tis true, too.
mircea_popescu: not like they can cut themselves a path in jail, suka-style.
mircea_popescu: not like they can cut themselves a path anywhere. today's jews, like 1930s' jews, are headed where the jews go.
mircea_popescu: mind issuing short summaries for the ... most everyone whop's not gonna click on twitter ?
shinohai: Says he was offered a job by spooks to do blockchain analysis
phf: hah, they can't can they. su thieves maintained that support infrastructures of манька's for own purposes, but that's not really a feature of u.s. prison system. i've not actually thought of that
mircea_popescu: it goes a lot deeper, in many ways.
mircea_popescu: consider, where are all the hollywood movies depicting in painstaking detail the lives of the poor tynisha ysais and her boyfriend(s) who offer her sexual services to friends as a matter of course ? where's the dom com about this set of social security cowsies kept by ex highschool footbal kid ? etc ?
mircea_popescu: i know, factually, they exist. they aren't depicted. why not ? "they wouldn't sell ?" gimme a break ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, think from the other perspective : if you were a moderately powerful producer, what the fuck ELSE would you do than exactly this, trying to cash in some holywood clout for some underworld connections ?
mircea_popescu: but no, dumb as bricks these people.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is 100% what "rap" was all about, and it failed miserably altogether.
phf: hehe
phf: google images produces all kinds of amazing pictures if you search for that wor
phf: d
mircea_popescu: ;;google android nexus
gribble: Nexus - Google: <https://www.google.com/nexus/>; Nexus Phones - Android Phones - Google Store: <https://store.google.com/category/phones>; Android – Android Phones: <https://www.android.com/phones/>
ben_vulpes: what is манька ?
deedbot: [Daniel P. Barron] On the killing of children. - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/on-the-killing-of-children/
phf: ben_vulpes: russian has a way to modify words from more formal to less formal using more or less standard rules for changing the root and adding suffixes
phf: Man'ka is a form of Man'ya is a form of the name Maria
phf: so it's an informal, familiar and vaguely above-to-below way of addressing anyone named maria
mircea_popescu: the reason the images are so lulzy (mostly in the dumb blonde line) is because without further explanation, it can readily be "dumb girl mary"
mircea_popescu: romanian does the same thing, through a wide array of diminutives.
phf: right, that's basically enough to explain images
ben_vulpes: gotcha
mircea_popescu: and since we're on it... tachanka... tanklet.
phf: but my specific use in text comes from the fact that su thieves were using that kind of forms of popular girl names to address their male bitches
phf: which after a while was adopted into argot as a term for a passive homosexual
mircea_popescu: phf by suka i meant specifically, the set of stalin-pardoned thieves
mircea_popescu: as in suka wars.
phf: oh oh oh
mircea_popescu: underclass, at least originally.
mircea_popescu: obviously, softer material than their persecutors
mircea_popescu: at least originally.
mircea_popescu: numbers can win any contest, provided work-hardening is on the table. but if the material doesn't work-harden, there's no hope in numbers. au contraire.
mircea_popescu: and ustards somehow inexplicably work-soften.
ben_vulpes: what has been "working" the ustards?
mircea_popescu: rent, for instance.
mircea_popescu: thugs and muggings, at the hand of either white dudes dressed in blue or black dudes dressed in those weird ankle pants they wear.
mircea_popescu: lafond's entire blog is all about this, "look one and all, come and gaze upon the incredibru frozen shitball - the more you work it, the soft it gets!"
phf: (i was amused because i thought you were saying that usians don't even have a bitch-track in prison)
mircea_popescu: they do, but their relations are about sensuality rather than power.
mircea_popescu: which is pretty fucking inane, but whatever.
ben_vulpes: the "dreamers"?
mircea_popescu: [incidentally, saying that some vory ACTUALLY ENJOYS fucking some mary in the ass would have been a pretty serious insult]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i guess so.
ben_vulpes: relatedly, i get a kick out of learning which 'business owners' keep seperate books for tax and internal accounting and which do not.
mircea_popescu: as a proxy for "which will still be around in a decade vs which will discover drugs" ?
ben_vulpes: proxy for all sorts of thing, but the entertainment comes from contrasting that bit of information with public comportment
BingoBoingo: And the new ownership still has yet to do anything with BitBet
mircea_popescu: pretty odd if you think about it.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, Pete prolly would have archived the old bets by nao.
mircea_popescu: in other wtf, wtf has lovecraft found "licentious" in fucking whitman ?! really, ovid's filth without his grace ? wut ?
mircea_popescu: martial ftw, owns both their asses.
mircea_popescu: "pedicatur eros, fellat linus ; centenis futuit matho, milibus. ole, quid ad te ?"
phf: hehe, i remember that one because of the refrain, "ole, quid ad te"
mircea_popescu: what about tibi summe rheni domnitor ?
phf: i feel like that one resonates in some ru translation, тебе, смиритель рейна
phf: other one was exchanged amongst latin reading classmates in the original
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many usian kids exchanged such.
phf: kids with their internets will never find the joy of finding racy chapters in the "The Great Library of Foreign Literature (unabridged special edition)"
phf: *never know
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 408780 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 467 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 14 hours, 12 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
asciilifeform: ahahaha where do you find 'internet: uncensored edition' aha...
phf: or for that matter trying to power through ars amatoria in search of wisdom relevant to talking to girls :D
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456857 <<< 'производственный роман'
a111: Logged on 2016-04-24 20:44 mircea_popescu: i kinda got a hankering for the old "young female is sent to be nurse/teacher/whatever at remote village, discovers and falls in love with local tractor driver" films.
asciilifeform: roughly, 'industrial romance', genre mercifully nonexistent in engl.
mircea_popescu: as of yet.
mircea_popescu: of course, they have chick lit, which is pretty much the same thinger.
asciilifeform: it was a thing.
asciilifeform: minus the industry
mircea_popescu: yeah, minus the industry. they only kept the "jobs", which anyone has and as best as anyone can discern, consist entirely of paychecks.
asciilifeform: and of 'office politic' !1111
mircea_popescu: that's a subset neh ?
asciilifeform: i realize now that i have never actually seen a chicklit.
mircea_popescu: chick lit : "romance" g-g-b type settings, where the bff g is entirely castrated ; procedurals of various types ; "romance" of the fish-out-of-water and other exotica type ; "suffering" type.
asciilifeform: only know 3rdhand.
mircea_popescu: anything with kirsten wiig , enjoy. you'll thank me later :D
phf: i wonder if anne rice qualifies
mircea_popescu: older derps go for crapolade a la "bridges of madison country" ; socially awkward derps go for a spectrum between "ER" and "sex in the city" ; younguns watch ineptitudes more varied.
mircea_popescu: which one is that again ?
a111: Logged on 2016-04-24 21:39 mircea_popescu: but in other lulz, http://bidla.net/35457-manka-za-chetkost-vazy-interesuetsya.html
phf: she did the vampire chronicles, with the most famous one being interview with the vampire
mircea_popescu: oh the gothic fiction. yeah. prolly better quality cunts than the norm.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was spared all of this somehow..
mircea_popescu: well somehow. you're not an anthropologist. as a result, you don't have the ability to pick any random culture you wish
mircea_popescu: nor a general spiteful distance from all of them.
asciilifeform: eh the latter still worx
asciilifeform: realize, almost every named ustardism mircea_popescu digs up, i end up having to look up
asciilifeform: my containment forcefield is strong.
BingoBoingo: Not that contained if you recognize Stallman
asciilifeform: i even recognize ballmer.
asciilifeform: whatofit.
asciilifeform sings, 'developersdevelopers....!'
phf: well, not even a decenarian math containment then
asciilifeform: unfortunately!
asciilifeform: barely unarian here.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 459.46, vol: 7032.85634075 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 445.326, vol: 6228.31103 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 462.62, vol: 23810.28536807 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 440.0, vol: 0.86659632 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 457.249212, vol: 39131.51200000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 460.0, vol: 1118.80508256 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 464.07105, vol: 65.16357398 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 458.188298773
mats: it rises
BingoBoingo: So much for stabilitit
mircea_popescu: the most amusing thing re ustards is, the sheer volume of NAMED entities they need to produce as much as a paragraph
mircea_popescu: it's ridiculous, at this rate the language will be mostly nouns before the century is out.
mats: name droppers are the worst
mircea_popescu: yeah, on one end of the spectrum. on the other, the very fucking grammar changes, with a lot of "the x of y" constructions, verbing of nouns, periphrase-by-metaphor and all sorts of weird.
mats: it was all 'my mentor is now SVP at IBM', 'my cube-mate went on to work for former Intel CEO some-guy-i-don't-care-about', 'i learned so much working with the board at Silicon Valley Bank' at every tech, bidness conference i have ever been to
mats: i should create a bingo card
mircea_popescu: there was a peculiar "I am the X-approved candidate for Y supported by K L and M according to token Q and item W" idiocy i saved somewhere, lemme dig it up.
mircea_popescu: "i am derp endorsed by fluke"
mircea_popescu: (he lost).
a111: Logged on 2016-01-02 20:21 phf: i like how the first one uses protective incantations. "henceforth and therefore ipso facto ... DATABASES!"
asciilifeform: holy shit, mircea_popescu never played wingcommander?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was never into real-time anything.
mircea_popescu: i had manic miner and ~never played it, for instance.
asciilifeform: space war thing
asciilifeform: by 'origin'
mircea_popescu: actually 3do i thought ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. liked f-19 but never played that muych either. just... rt not my cup.
asciilifeform: f19 rocked.
asciilifeform: we played on 'iskra' , it had cga clone but weird green mono display, made for some strange colours
mircea_popescu: i mostly liked the bar scenes
asciilifeform: buncha shit was unplayable until my brother wrote tsr util that diddled the video board when magic key hit
asciilifeform: it went to the 1bit mono mode where the cga colour turned into dither
asciilifeform: made for 'trippy' memory of the gamez
asciilifeform: phf: ahahaha!
phf: oddly enough i've never played any games that involved flying
mircea_popescu: the ~only game made by classical microsoft (the shitshow that was trying to get windows 3.1 to be something) was a "flight simulator"
mircea_popescu: about as bad as the shit apple came up with in the same period, you'd just look at it and wonder wtf is this
mircea_popescu: i enjoyed it for this purpose.
asciilifeform: we had a joystick, funnily, but it never worked, brother bought it at outdoor blackmarket, we could find no port to plug it in 'iskra'. then in usa we ended up with 'commodore' and guess what - that thing fit...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty sure ms flight was written by 1 guy and they purchased it
mircea_popescu: check out the aspiring triteness.
asciilifeform: lel thats a chik?!
mircea_popescu: boxcar pushing face > 9000
mircea_popescu: (she also lost)
asciilifeform: lost what ?
mircea_popescu: ran as democrat for cali seat in congress
mats: but does s.nsa live or die? this is the question burning in my chest
a111: Logged on 2016-04-19 21:54 mircea_popescu: mno. at the rate we're going s.nsa is publishing a closure statement early may.
mats: yes
ben_vulpes: phuctor is phucking nao, mircea_popescu sounds pleased or at least entertained, so i imagine it's bought a stay from the divestment for a quarter...
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/xxi
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ^ Doesn't look too promising BingoBoingo, I my redact that and call bullshit
shinohai: *sigh*
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Not phucking yet, just phorplay getting hard for phucking
asciilifeform: mats et al: there are two s.nsa's. there is the mpex asset, which you were prolly asking about, and there is my actual work, which is to 0 extent actually enabled by the ~450 btc in the piggy, and will continue even if mircea_popescu one day drums me out of the chan
asciilifeform: mats: i cannot answer for the former, i have 0 control of it.
asciilifeform: mats: i assume you learned something from the bbet story.
asciilifeform: (it is no mega-seekrit that mircea_popescu and i disagree on 1,001 things, yet he keep inviting me places. for the time being at least.)
mircea_popescu: mats i'd expect it to live neh ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do we disagree on anyway ?
asciilifeform: i fuhget.
asciilifeform: possibly, re which hole.
asciilifeform: i confess i prefer the front.
asciilifeform: the poor unloved '3-letter'
mircea_popescu: wouldn't it depend on the manjka in question ?
asciilifeform: i've no use for the convex ones
asciilifeform: they can feed pirannhas ferallicare.
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/pnkpx << in other unrelated lulws. web 2.0 invents its new, physics defying maffs!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456909 << in point of fact not quite. really, dim. of тачка, wheelbarrow.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-24 21:59 mircea_popescu: and since we're on it... tachanka... tanklet.
asciilifeform: the 'tanklet' existed also! танкетка, tanquette, or what in english world is called 'midget tank'
mircea_popescu: jus' one of the rare cases where english diminutive obviously wurx
asciilifeform: as in the famous jp midget tankz
mats: i didn't learn anything from the s.bbet story, no
mats: hoped to sign on one day, to contribute to either s.nsa
asciilifeform: mats: that 'phriendship iz magick' or, in other words, you can't make the other kid give you the chicken
asciilifeform: nor ought to try
mircea_popescu: interesting aesop.
asciilifeform: it's a fable from the fables of mircea_popescuaesop
asciilifeform: somewhere in recent trilema article.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you're telling me that there's no possible configuration, context or circumstance in which you'd rather fuck girl in ass, ever, period.
asciilifeform: not that i can presently think of.
mircea_popescu: what if she's really good at it ?
asciilifeform: 'drill own hole' almost comes ahead.
mircea_popescu: suppose in some way you end up in possession of a world-renowned female for ther buttlove skills.
mircea_popescu: this differing is quite unsubstantial.
mircea_popescu: (anyone grinned at the ever, period pun ?)
asciilifeform: creeps up by 1-2/min.
asciilifeform: pretty steady.
asciilifeform: in other 'news', http://imgur.com/4nqeK3A << in a museum (hands on right hand side are of pet). one of the machines on exhibit was gettable into
asciilifeform: it was interesting, thing was really no more complicated than a motorbike
asciilifeform: whole thing was moved by steel cables that you could actually ~see~ and grab, right in the cockpit
asciilifeform: and could see all through fuselage (original, unmolested) all the way where they led into wing & tail.
asciilifeform: there were literally no hidden parts but for the motor, which was a very modest 80 hp thing
asciilifeform: i wonder if davout ever went up in a machine like this
mircea_popescu: and if you didn't play the harp just so, could very well end up fulfilling that motor's lawnmowing destiny.
asciilifeform: naturally!
mircea_popescu: (computing engineering and airplane engineer have a lot in common - the fully visible thing is a security and maintenance thing. just like bash.)
asciilifeform: i found the thing incredibly appealing.
mircea_popescu: and for this very reason no doubt.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo would approve of the old wood'n'cardboard'n'tinfoil airplanes - no lardarse could go up in it
asciilifeform: nor could atrophied muscle steer it
asciilifeform: and, witness, pre-bureaucracy artifact - no radio in there
asciilifeform: i feel hardly any envy for the joe stack folks of today, who spend an hour filling out forms for every 2 flown
asciilifeform: and pay for petrol what its litrage in whiskey costs
asciilifeform: the 'ercoupe' thing in the background is interesting. i live not so far from where the old 'erco' factory was, where the things were made. it was, iirc, a plane with simplified controls and extremely stable dynamics, for lamers to fly. sold like hotcakes, until the bottom fell out of the market in '47
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: quite quite, and i loled at phoreplay
asciilifeform: for a while folks really thought 'plane was the next car'
asciilifeform: i still think that small planes were bureaucratically strangled to avoid threatening the real estate racket.
ben_vulpes: air traffic control on the scale of car-economy would be an utter nightmare
asciilifeform: (if the things were reasonably common, the order-of-magnitude diff b/w e.g., ohio and d.c. would not appear reasonable even to idiot)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: much of the complexity comes from the paucity of airport
asciilifeform: ups the density.
ben_vulpes: granted
ben_vulpes: consider relative velocities and arc seconds involved tho
asciilifeform: ideal, obviously, is not 'every derp flies'
ben_vulpes: relative to car infrastructure
ben_vulpes: 0, 1, inf
ben_vulpes: you just proposed essentially every derp flying.
ben_vulpes: dentists at least, which is every derp in my book.
asciilifeform: just the folks who can afford 80 hp flying. which ~ought~ to be a few %.
asciilifeform: in sane planet.
ben_vulpes: that is still a *lot* of atc.
ben_vulpes: again, arc-seconds and velocity.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm quite convinced that the difficulties of air traffic are artificial.
asciilifeform: the 'corridors', for instance.
asciilifeform: utterly unnecessary.
asciilifeform: usg packs them into tiny space, then yes, clearly, usg control is 'necessary' to keep'em from colliding.
asciilifeform: classic self-licking icecream cone.
asciilifeform: consider,
asciilifeform: the 1920s-40s EXISTED
asciilifeform: and your grandparents - were not flattened by falling derps in their cardboard flyingcoffins.
asciilifeform: why do you suppose not ?
ben_vulpes: falling derps is not the problem, it's collisions unavoidable due to relative speeds and human inability to a) perceive and b) react in time
asciilifeform: collisions with what ?
asciilifeform: with the treeline at the runway ? let'em.
ben_vulpes: individuals can stay up for quite some time, but if you have any concentration of them taking off at 7a to get to work, there's your density-close-to-the-ground problem
ben_vulpes: "oh but they would all live in the country with nobody around and each with their own runway!"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there is quite enough space in the martian-desert states for this.
asciilifeform: run the numberz.
ben_vulpes: you have a bridge too, right?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the bridge is for sale in nyc
ben_vulpes: the shares though, you have some
asciilifeform: in brooklyn bridge?!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456960 << if the folks showing up to 'job where there is only paycheque' were taken off the board, there would be quite enough room even on motherfucking 'beltway' (infamously congested road circling washington)
a111: Logged on 2016-04-24 22:37 mircea_popescu: yeah, minus the industry. they only kept the "jobs", which anyone has and as best as anyone can discern, consist entirely of paychecks.
asciilifeform: not even speaking of the air.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457107 << it would, yes. notice that even if the town has bus service, a TWO order of magnitude difference between what a meal costs appears reasonable even to idiots.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-25 02:46 asciilifeform: (if the things were reasonably common, the order-of-magnitude diff b/w e.g., ohio and d.c. would not appear reasonable even to idiot)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457108 ~all , actually. pretty fucking hard to get two things to collide outside of the very narrow approach lanes
a111: Logged on 2016-04-25 02:47 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: much of the complexity comes from the paucity of airport
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa you will generally not find respectable folkz in bus.
asciilifeform: back when i rode in buses, i was usually the only white face aboard.
mircea_popescu: bus exists, fails to make all restaurants cost the same
mircea_popescu: if plane were like bus, it would STILL fail to make all house cost the same.
asciilifeform: naturally hovel with 3 walls would < mega-castle
asciilifeform: but thread was re locations.
asciilifeform: as in, 'costs 10x because near xyz'
mircea_popescu: so the phrasing would change. would the phraseology change please you ?
asciilifeform: anything short of teleporter would naturally not abolish this, and petrol is quite dear, but still.
mircea_popescu: no "because" a mother offers is EVER worth the shit it's written in.
ben_vulpes: lanes are temporal in asciilifeform plane new world
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: '40s ~existed~
ben_vulpes: yes ofc points in 3space nigh impossible to get close to each other
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know who loved the 40s more than usians ? argentines.
mircea_popescu: you know why ? for the same reason, let's call it the illinois-indiana reason\
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and people flew where in 40s?
ben_vulpes: other places where one person was landing uncontrolledly at a time?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: erco alone shipped a few dozen / day just in this town
ben_vulpes: must we rehash 'market' thread?
ben_vulpes: people go to market for a /reason/
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it isn't that you have no point, but that the 'usgificated air is the best world' is a panglossism.
mircea_popescu: nobody's arguing that, either.
ben_vulpes: yeah dood wtf i'm not saying megaport is only solution
ben_vulpes: only that "planes for dentists" is just as panglossian
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457134 << actually sounds like a very self-resolving problem :D
a111: Logged on 2016-04-25 02:54 ben_vulpes: individuals can stay up for quite some time, but if you have any concentration of them taking off at 7a to get to work, there's your density-close-to-the-ground problem
asciilifeform: why would a dentist need to fly around ?
asciilifeform: generally he works on local folk
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because all patients too fat to move ?
ben_vulpes: because if there are highly stable craft the thing approaches golf
ben_vulpes: also dentists fly gliders all the time wtf
ben_vulpes: for /fun/
asciilifeform: ah but for-fun dun happen on 7am weekdayz
asciilifeform: in packs
asciilifeform: nor in crowded city
mircea_popescu: well yes, in fumans hun happens in packs.
ben_vulpes: jesus you really need this spelled out?
asciilifeform: it happens right here
asciilifeform: i live right next to one such place
asciilifeform: where the dentists take off.
asciilifeform: half-to-a-dozen every day.
ben_vulpes: beause dentist is half sane, picks good market, commutes by plane to place
asciilifeform: tiny airfield in middle of nowhere suburb.
ben_vulpes: from mythical cornfield runway
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> from mythical cornfield runway << Quite a few around here
asciilifeform: and it isn't even that the machines are costly, my car, when was new, cost ~= what a gently used 2seater would.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: in the conversations context ofc, i know they exist and are used by self-dusting farmers
asciilifeform: it is the bureaucracy.
ben_vulpes: yesye
mircea_popescu: might also be the fear of flying.
asciilifeform: wut fear, it's a good death
asciilifeform: where, i ask, is the fear of the car ??
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Also transportation. How else do people in the know go between southern, middle, and western illinois?
asciilifeform: i see smouldering wrecks, and mangled passengers carted away, every day
asciilifeform: iirc if you calc the 'millimorts', the max theoretical lifespan of usian is CAPPED at somewhere like 300 yrs (taken, yes, with eternally unchanging Reich) PURELY by the car.
asciilifeform: asymptotic limit.
ben_vulpes: so ride a bike
ben_vulpes: in a town the auto hasn't ruined
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: doin' what ?
asciilifeform: dentistry ?
asciilifeform: do they even have dentists in such towns
asciilifeform: or still pull teeth by tying to door.
ben_vulpes: yes, plenty, i have been to one recently.
ben_vulpes: if you get your way with hauschwitz it should be academic, barring grocery trips
asciilifeform pictures dentist from film 'django'
ben_vulpes: aha yes old east coast joke
ben_vulpes: "west coast! covered wagons, right? have they wired portland for AC yet?"
ben_vulpes: shambala ofc does not exist.
asciilifeform: shangri-la, on other hand !
ben_vulpes: could not possibly, lizard hitler would never allow.
mircea_popescu: you two sound distinctly like retired dentists in florida retirement home.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: was lucky enough to destroy the things he grew up hating
mircea_popescu: luck ain't got nothing to do with it!
ben_vulpes: can lob mortars from dirigible for weeks
mircea_popescu was lucky enough to grow up hating the right things!
ben_vulpes: get real, right parents, right time.
asciilifeform: 19 of every 20 derps in the motherfucking cars belong, at best, in servant's quarters
asciilifeform: or in the ground
asciilifeform: and not taking up space on road, in air, in the sea, etc.
mircea_popescu: so are you saying this problem is purely political and technology, be it planes or crochet, won't fix it ?!
asciilifeform: where did i say 'but now planes suck' !
asciilifeform: the machines, as usual, are not at fault.
asciilifeform: nobody forgot how to make the bicycle cardboard thingies.
asciilifeform: i could make one even now.
asciilifeform: not so hard.
ben_vulpes: bamboocycleta!
asciilifeform: i once knew a fella whose father's house had a peculiar, oblong mark in the brickwork behind garage.
asciilifeform: turned out, old owner built his airplane in there.
ben_vulpes: actual thing in buenos aires
asciilifeform: wouldn't bother to take them wingz off to get it out
asciilifeform: or perhaps he welded them on
asciilifeform: so he took a sledge hammer and demolished plane-shaped hole.
asciilifeform: then bricked, back up.
asciilifeform: sometime during this, the story went, he found his wife dangling from noose in that workshop
asciilifeform: 'from neglect'
ben_vulpes: good riddance
asciilifeform: that was the kind of american to respect !111
ben_vulpes: wife should be well occupied with children and drive-by-rodgerings, and if children are a burden american should have neither c nor w
mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as genuine neglect. not that i'm proposing it has bearing.
ben_vulpes: as well as genuine assault and rape
asciilifeform: i even saw a man commit genuine jaywalking today.
mod6: Hey all, so I wanted to not only make a list of objectives as we discussed around the 15th, I wanted to also design a very simple ticket system so we can not only have tickets, but perhaps a roadmap with dependencies. I.e. in the way that you have a larger ticket with dependent subtickets. This could help round out a road map to larger 'sagas' like for this july, and 'ideal bitcoin'.
mircea_popescu: this is a brilliant idea.
asciilifeform: can haz this in 80col?
mod6: this code is rough, but its my first working deal.
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, i'm getting there. I'll try to add that soon.
mircea_popescu: yeah, ok, this is just the ticket, so to speak.
mod6: this code can be just dropped into say, 't.pl' then `chmod +x t.pl` then `./t.pl tickets.txt`
mircea_popescu: mod6 could this a) be piped to a www page on foundation site b) have a way to ref from here ?
mircea_popescu: some sort of per-item ref.
asciilifeform: that would be mind-bendingly spiffy
mod6: then it'll print out the full list of tickets. if you run `./t.pl` it'll print out the other available commands. such as "add" "rm" or "edit", inwhich a person can do that, change their own list, sign it, and send it to the ML or whatever for review.
mod6: mircea_popescu: this has crossed my mind, haven't yet thought on it enough to implement anything as of yet. but yeah, something that would be coool --
mod6: was thinking about collaborating somehow with deedbot to make it update the new wiki somehow.
mircea_popescu: mod6 perl can just dump html pages neh ? run it in a subdir and that's that
mircea_popescu: could be interesting if we get a wiki bot also yeah.
mod6: yeah, this is true. just need to marshall it around to somewhere and volla.
mircea_popescu: a sort of bash-bot-on-steroids.
mod6: Also, I wanted to note, that it will print ascii graphs such as: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bb88df2b-d622-4ce6-bc59-db1beb1a0697/
mircea_popescu: we'll end up with #ai eventually at this rate.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha yes!
mod6: and dot files for svg graphs, but if you want to run this, you need "Graph::Easy" installed. It won't effect you if you don't hvae this installed, unless you try to run the graphing tools - just like V.
mircea_popescu: except if you spew it on www, everyone can see the svgs
mod6: Yes Sir. Sounds like a decent plan there.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is very nice work right here.
mod6: I'm gonna keep putting some more thigns in there, it's just something I've been playing with since like Friday.
mod6: But, just wanted to give everyone a first look at what is possible here. Please let me know if there is problems or glaring oversights, etc. Thanks in advance.
mod6: Thanks mircea_popescu! Salud!
mod6: On a more philosophical level, I did leave off the idea of ticket 'assignment', simply because I didn't want contributors to not think about a ticket just because their name/keyid isn't assigned to the ticket.
mod6: I'm not sure if that was the correct approach, but it "felt right" when I was making that choice.
mircea_popescu: seems pretty correct.
mod6: Ok, so hopefully will have a much prettier version of this around the end of the month.
mircea_popescu: TYPE: Ideal bitcoin Q3 2017 << :D
mod6: Hahaha, some optimism in there :]
mod6: oh weird. i must have broke something.
mircea_popescu: via phuctor we find that 43-1.org is a thing. then we discover that https://www.43-1.org/~ansgar/apt/
asciilifeform: dilapidated debian mirror ?
mircea_popescu: last touched last month
mircea_popescu: anyway, uses the 35 e for a ssh key.
mircea_popescu: in other news lovecraft is perhaps the most bombastically incompetent and pompously ungifted literary critic i ever read.
mod6: And here's the output correct, with the ticket types appended to the top: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bdf52f96-6e9f-4713-a432-f97e73533a37/
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