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asciilifeform: not because it is impossible to devise improved mechanisms - but on account of the 'pascal's wager' involved
trinque: him staying silent during things like the blocksize "debate" speaks volumes imo
mats: or perhaps he reads the logs.
trinque: dunno how someone who was paranoid enough to never speak his own name would allow gavin and company to crawl all over his greatest work
mats: howssat for a political coup
asciilifeform: or was long found, and silenced.
trinque: or he could be *that* principled and I could be a crass moron
trinque: who knows
trinque: "they can have it if they do not break it"
mats: though on last check he seemed to be more likely to be aligned with gavin (bitcoin for the people, etc)
asciilifeform: fella runs winblowz
trinque: too bad if so
asciilifeform: usg could find him inside an hour by, e.g., issuing an xp 'update'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56561 @ 0.00053548 = 30.2873 BTC [-] {3}
trinque: yeah, I have to say I find him having been found as the most likely
asciilifeform: if this - then we can conclude that he had the backbone to pull the pin
asciilifeform: (and if not, we will likely learn about it soon enough)
trinque: if he is the VS/winderz derp, how is it that he generated unbreakable keys?
trinque: fuck knows I don't know how to approach it if he did
asciilifeform: trinque: go, break the other winblowz schmucks' keys
trinque: but *someone* ?
trinque: if one guy at the NSA is the only one who can...
trinque shrugs
trinque: what I'm saying is that runs contrary to the derp theory
asciilifeform: trinque: i won't comment on meta-nsa, but classic nsa works on statistical aggregates rather than individuals - at least when dealing with mass collections rather than targeted shots
asciilifeform: no one 'has all keys'
trinque: yeah
trinque: I read all day about how intel's backdoored, mobo's backdoored, so on so on
trinque: and yet his keys are safe
trinque: or at least would appear to be
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9135 @ 0.00055481 = 5.0682 BTC [+]
trinque: I suppose he could be the windows derp and still know to at least use a separate airgapped box for the keys
asciilifeform: again the 'all keys' thing
asciilifeform: not how it works
asciilifeform: mr s was not yet famous and hated in '09
trinque: I was not around for the early days
asciilifeform: not necessary
trinque: but I take your point; there wouldn't have been reason to target someone like him until doing so wouldn't have mattered
asciilifeform: but must understand, the more exotic the diddle, the more of a (to borrow mircea_popescu's term) 'glass cannon'
trinque: mhm, fire once
asciilifeform: picture if i am sitting here and i see it
asciilifeform: (and chances are, i will, l0l)
asciilifeform: spent.
asciilifeform: one may speculate all day re: the particulars of usg 'glass artillery', but it suffices to say that such is not fired at a crowd
asciilifeform: (there is a kind of 'valley' in between the ordinary weaponry and the 'glass' - e.g., tor diddles which would 'expire' immediately if publicly revealed, but are good for plenty of 'parallel construction' meanwhile, etc.)
trinque: right, say there's a decent way to do factoring. I think I pulled that one from your blog
asciilifeform: but the point i was trying to make is that your cpu is not transmitting to the proverbial black helicopter 24/7
trinque: certainly
asciilifeform: trinque: aha. archetypical 'glass cannon.'
trinque: put plainly, watching phuctor phuck, I'd thought that there surely must be some way of doing the same thing on badly generated bitcoin addresses
asciilifeform: trinque: this was done. for 'android' wallet of one kind or another
asciilifeform: re-used 'k'
trinque: ah
asciilifeform: fella walked with a good bit of coin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80700 @ 0.00056534 = 45.6229 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: ISIS says it destroyed Egyptian ship with rocket | Fox News ... ( )
mats: source
assbot: IS’ Sinai Province Claims Destroying Egyptian Frigate in Mediterranean | Jihadist News | Articles ... ( )
mats: stills
assbot: Sinai Islamic State attack on Egyptian Navy Ship, Rafah - Album on Imgur ... ( )
asciilifeform: notbad.jpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00057055 = 16.8312 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: << linked from same
assbot: First slaying on DC Metro in its 40-year history: Witnesses watched but didn't intervene | Fox News ... ( )
mats: matter of time til they catch USN sailors sleeping on guard duty and kill a vessel, IMO
decimation: well, they were foolish to be within range of antitank missile
mats: iirc older .ru ATGMs have a range of ~5km
asciilifeform: i'd be quite surprised if anyone has ever hit a boat-sized target with these from even 1km
mats: easy enough to maneuver a series of boats into range if not firing from the coast
decimation: asciilifeform: where did that stabbing take place?
asciilifeform: claims - in a train
assbot: Download Video Compilation of Over 100 ATGM Shots In Syria (36min 40sec) in 3GP, MP4, FLV and WEBM Format - ... ( )
asciilifeform: but does not say where the train was
decimation: ah, apparently wapo reported in their 'metro' section
assbot: Stabbing reported on Metro train at Federal Center SW - The Washington Post ... ( )
decimation: it apparently happened at l'enfant
mats: hard to tell but many of those targets look well over 3km
asciilifeform: mats: neato
decimation: "Police and a witness interviewed said passengers trapped in the moving train huddled at both ends of the car and watched in horror as Spires punched 24-year-old Kevin Joseph Sutherland until he fell to the floor, then stabbed him until he was dead. Court documents say the victim was cut or stabbed 30 or 40 times, in the chest, abdomen, back, side and arms. "
assbot: Horrified passengers witnessed brutal July 4 slaying aboard Metro car - The Washington Post ... ( )
decimation: note: the victim was a skinny white guy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00057436 = 13.6123 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: it is interesting that anyone still bothers to steal phones
mats: particularly dumb criminals, i suppose
mats: iirc some folks finally convinced carriers to disable stolen phones?
decimation: supposedly he was 'high' on 'synthetic marijuana'
mats: lol, 'spice' (research chemicals)?
decimation: "Friends say Sutherland, a Connecticut native, loved advocating for progressive causes."
assbot: Metro stabbing unleashes debate: Should passengers have helped victim - WTOP ... ( )
asciilifeform was, somehow, labouring under the notion that murder was routine aboard dc metro. mainly by folks being pushed into the pit
asciilifeform: and that it was for this reason that it was not a common nyooz item.
decimation: asciilifeform: do you think metro could tell the difference between suicide and murder?
asciilifeform: for all i know, the above is the actual fact.
asciilifeform: decimation: why would they want to tell the difference.
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe because it took place on a moving train
decimation: < all kinds of murdering going on
assbot: Police say two in custody after fatal shooting at Wheaton Metro station - The Washington Post ... ( )
asciilifeform: decimation: orc-orc
asciilifeform: hence not nyooz
decimation: asciilifeform: no, it's not a common news item (the murdering) because of 'advocates of progressive causes'
asciilifeform: orc-civvie - nyooz
decimation: kinda
decimation: civvie-orc - mega-ny00z
asciilifeform: civvie-orc - national 'day of genuflection, r4c1sm5!!!!!' nyooz
asciilifeform: aha
trinque: some kid made the funny papers the other day in portland
trinque: orc on orc I think it was
assbot: Portland police make an arrest in fatal Old Port shooting - WGME - Portland ME Top Stories - News, Sports, Weather, Traffic ... ( )
trinque: this notion that "someone should've helped" is hilarious
trinque: how? human shield?
decimation: asciilifeform: have you noticed that yarvin's blog is gradually disappearing from google search results
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: perhaps b-a pushed it out.
asciilifeform: i can't seem to search for anything at all without turning up half a dozen b-a link turdz
asciilifeform: irrespective of proxy or cookieless wwwtron
asciilifeform: !up MoltenBosnia
decimation: I know he wrote about the splc and the right wing route to power
MoltenBosnia: hello
decimation: asciilifeform: also I note his comments seem to have more weight than the text
asciilifeform: who might you be, MoltenBosnia ?
MoltenBosnia: I have otc rating just gotta get laptop with keys running.
decimation: ah "In a world dominated by progressives, the fascist gate to power is closed, locked, welded shut, filled with a thousand tons of concrete, and surrounded by starving cave bears. Today's Apparat has entire departments who do nothing but guard this door, which no one but a few pathetic dorks will even think of approaching."
decimation: ^ why civvie-orc murdering is trumpeted
asciilifeform: everybody with even a cursory familiarity with landscape of daily life in usa, knows this
decimation: note that 'pathetic dork' seems to fit the description of that guy in charleston
asciilifeform: see the 1,001 'where are the smart t3rr0r1stz!!11' threads.
decimation: indeed.
asciilifeform: the smart generals are in their armchairs.
decimation: trinque: did you manage to make a copy of yarvin's blog?
trinque: I did
decimation: did you use that crawler deal?
trinque: yeah, the one iirc punkman recommended
trinque: worked fine
asciilifeform: << indexed mirror
assbot: Moldbuggery ... ( )
trinque: interface is a little goofy, but I got the files I wanted
asciilifeform: ^ also worth backing up
asciilifeform: if you're into mr mold
trinque: cool
decimation: apparently now is the time to acquire a copy, before it disappears forever into google's memory hole
decimation: for they surely do not wish to hold it
trinque: decimation: I am taking that attitude towards every piece of valuable information I find.
asciilifeform: wget -m
decimation: does it snip the comments?
asciilifeform: how would it.
mats: hm, some of the missiles fired in that video appear to have traveled more than 5km based on ~30s flight time
decimation: blogspot-specific shit
mats: apparently isis has some of the spiffier, longer range ATGMs
asciilifeform: donated by usg
decimation: either them or modern ru
asciilifeform: the latter charges
asciilifeform: usg - free
asciilifeform: wget of mr mold - 114MB, 16sec
decimation: heh nice
asciilifeform: notbad.
trinque: asciilifeform: mind if I eat loper-os too?
asciilifeform: trinque: eat, if you like
asciilifeform surprised that anyone needs it for anything
trinque: I am a student farther back on my lisp quest
trinque: helpful perspectives on that
asciilifeform: while we're on the subject, am i the only one somewhat dismayed that the one site that probably has no public backup is mircea_popescu's www ?
asciilifeform: (we all know why. and i'm gonna guess that he doesn't give a damn, 'nobody needed the library of alexandria for anything')
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00057436 = 7.8687 BTC [+]
decimation: ah, apparently the httrack widget creates an index as it copies
decimation: yeah, and to make a mirror would be a bit costly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79000 @ 0.00056712 = 44.8025 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: the cost per credit is quite reasonable
trinque: couldn't tell from the site itself precisely how many posts there are
trinque: but I'd not archive it without permission
trinque: since there is are explicit terms right there on the site for use
trinque: *are
decimation: lul "The Atlanta chapter of the NAACP officially called for the elimination of all symbols of the Confederacy from Stone Mountain."
assbot: NAACP wants removal of Confederate generals from Stone Mountain | ... ( )
decimation: for those who haven't seen it, it's a big rock cliff face with robert e lee, stonewall jackson, and jefferson davis
trinque: decimation: sort of an unsettling development, "progress" not satisfied until history never even happened
decimation: yes, as ascii says, the 'having been stolen from' will be stolen too
trinque: I have been musing lately on the relationship between sovereignty, language/meaning creation, and delusional behavior such as this.
trinque: as though if you trust a weapon such as sovereignty to the wrong people, you get this nonsense
trinque: they blow their own heads off
decimation: "Here, we demonstrate that the three-dimensional geometry of cortical surface is highly predictive of individuals’ genetic ancestry in West Africa, Europe, East Asia, and America, even though their genetic background has been shaped by multiple waves of migratory and admixture events."
assbot: DEFINE_ME_WA ... ( )
trinque: let me see if I can restate: the mechanism of modern american narcissism for example is precisely that the type of person walks around thinking they can simply declare things to be so, because they feel they ought to be
decimation: trinque: yes, what is happening in the west is akin to self-immolation of some kind
trinque: a leader does this same thing, but not as a sort of onanist
trinque: he declares meaning for a larger group
decimation: !up optimator
decimation: a traveler from the cloud
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108062 @ 0.00054869 = 59.2925 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: << iirc that was in a mircea_popescu piece
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 05:12:55; decimation: yes, as ascii says, the 'having been stolen from' will be stolen too
assbot: D.C.’s Chinatown has only 300 Chinese Americans left, and they’re fighting to stay. - The Washington Post ... ( )
asciilifeform: << linked, lulz
assbot: Maryland Del. Ariana Kelly charged with indecent exposure, trespassing - The Washington Post ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84223 @ 0.00054524 = 45.9217 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: International report confirms: 2014 was Earth’s warmest year on record ... ( )
trinque: mats: at least in the case of the west antarctic glacier I read something interesting regarding the involvement of geologic activity
trinque: looking for it
assbot: Study finds surprisingly high geothermal heating beneath West Antarctic Ice Sheet ... ( )
trinque: of course warming is also occurring
trinque: sounds though like that glacier *is* headed for the ocean
cazalla: <<< haha white guilt libs getting their just deserts
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:40:10; decimation: "Police and a witness interviewed said passengers trapped in the moving train huddled at both ends of the car and watched in horror as Spires punched 24-year-old Kevin Joseph Sutherland until he fell to the floor, then stabbed him until he was dead. Court documents say the victim was cut or stabbed 30 or 40 times, in the chest, abdomen, back, side and arms. "
assbot: ... ( )
mats: trinque: fun times ahead
mats: 'having killed someone doesn't make you a killer' hue hue hue
trinque: wtf, namecheap just blasted out an e-mail demanding rudely that I verify my email address due to ICANN something something
cazalla: trinque, they have been doing that every year for the past few years if memory serves
trinque: how bout I start deedbotting IPs and names and let that be that
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7424 @ 0.00052484 = 3.8964 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00054691 = 13.7548 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126800 @ 0.00054068 = 68.5582 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13883 @ 0.00053922 = 7.486 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81912 @ 0.00053922 = 44.1686 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 285 @ 0.0039091 = 1.1141 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50700 @ 0.00056287 = 28.5375 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58100 @ 0.00053851 = 31.2874 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: << also happened to, and I remember posting a paper about similar attacks against HD wallets
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:18:22; asciilifeform: trinque: this was done. for 'android' wallet of one kind or another
punkman: also Counterparty wallet
assbot: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread ... ( )
punkman: also hilarious
assbot: Generated invalid address '1FYMZEHnszCHKTBdFZ2DLrUuk3dGwYKQxh' · Issue #403 · jim618/multibit · GitHub ... ( )
shinohai: > A must-buy for @Gavin:
assbot: - Corbis Images - Sperm in Testis of a Rat Peel and Stick Wall Decal by Wallmonkeys - ... ( )
punkman: that's the address for secret exponent=0
punkman: it's currently unspendable, though I think you might be able to spend it on 0.5.3
shinohai: sweet, you think you could make counterparty work?
punkman: huh?
shinohai: oh multibit. I never liked it so never used it
punkman: apparently more than one person hit that bug with multibit
assbot: MULTIBIT BUG , PLEASE RETURN MY BTC · Issue #1 · steauacris89/MULTIBIT-BUG- · GitHub ... ( )
shinohai is just coming awake, having coffee @ 4 am
shinohai: tbh i thought maybe 50 people used multibit
punkman: I believe someone has actually sold the private key of the above address
punkman: then the guy that bought it realizes he can't spend anything from the address
punkman: good scam
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00055528 = 5.9137 BTC [+]
punkman: interestingly, "re-used k" is how the Playstation 3 keys were broken
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00055528 = 3.8314 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00056318 = 12.0521 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00055631 = 12.4613 BTC [-]
lobbesbot: New post: Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Julia Reda ; ) <>
davout: ohai boludos
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61450 @ 0.00056428 = 34.675 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48650 @ 0.00056458 = 27.4668 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100050 @ 0.00055131 = 55.1586 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70678 @ 0.00053962 = 38.1393 BTC [-]
assbot: The Square Kilometre Array: radio silence in Western Australia for most powerful telescope in history | Science | The Guardian ... ( )
jurov: "Given that no computer exists that will be able to deal with the volume of what SKA will produce, the success of the project rests on the continuing robustness of Moore’s law: that every 18 to 24 months computer processing power will double."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45039 @ 0.00052954 = 23.85 BTC [-]
jurov: dem miners
mircea_popescu: eh, journos.
mircea_popescu: da fuck they know about distributed computing.
jurov: shipping yottabytes from australia?
jurov: it smells to me like it really needs to be processed on the spot
mircea_popescu: because there's going toi be a single box yottabyte processor.
jurov: ^indeed.
mircea_popescu: looky, distributed doesn't mean geographically dispersed.
jurov: i mean, moore's not what they expect anymore, they may end up needing gigawatts of ower and cooling,
jurov: meticulously RF shielded
jurov: whether 10km or 100km away from the site does not make such big difference
jurov: and then someone will hax it and use radio as mere entropy source for mining :DDDD
cazalla: meanwhile down under
assbot: Pirate radio station near Portland shut down, operator fined - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68550 @ 0.00053599 = 36.7421 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: << it doesn't take much "principled" for "psychopaths". they're the people who don't give a shit, remember ? not even about PEOPLE THEMSELVES!111!!
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:03:27; trinque: or he could be *that* principled and I could be a crass moron
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.0005389 = 34.9746 BTC [+] {3}
shinohai: meanwhile my pogo is running smooth: I've been connected to mpex.btc for 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 31 minutes, and 6 seconds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28571 @ 0.00054353 = 15.5292 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: to wut ?!
shinohai: i connected to your node until it failed, now i just have 1 connection.
mircea_popescu: oh oh.
mircea_popescu: it's gonna be up and down as i play with this nonsense block.
shinohai: yes i bookmarked that as "ph0rk 1"
shinohai: I am keeping a messy log of it
shinohai: danielpbarron was down the day i got my pogo of all days.
mircea_popescu: << ever since the block exporter thing i've been mentally picturing you like that scene in brazil
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:12:43; asciilifeform: (and chances are, i will, l0l)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72800 @ 0.00052475 = 38.2018 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: so i am stalled, but it is a hell of a device, this pogo
mircea_popescu: not bad huh
shinohai: i am sure it will kick ass when i get an actual ssd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00055306 = 16.7024 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: << afaik us navy is keeping a safe distance specifically for this reason
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:27:11; mats: matter of time til they catch USN sailors sleeping on guard duty and kill a vessel, IMO
mircea_popescu: << anti tank incendiary ?!
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:28:03; decimation: well, they were foolish to be within range of antitank missile
mircea_popescu: that was a high exposive incendiary of some sort.
mircea_popescu: prolly fired some ancient ru howitzer at the thing.
mircea_popescu: check it out, Jasper Spires is black.
mircea_popescu: << not updated in a while neh ?
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:50:44; decimation: asciilifeform: have you noticed that yarvin's blog is gradually disappearing from google search results
mircea_popescu: << dude gtfo, seriously. door's wide open. usians are mentally retarded.
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:54:03; decimation: ah "In a world dominated by progressives, the fascist gate to power is closed, locked, welded shut, filled with a thousand tons of concrete, and surrounded by starving cave bears. Today's Apparat has entire departments who do nothing but guard this door, which no one but a few pathetic dorks will even think of approaching."
mircea_popescu: nobody's guarding it but the nails in their forehead.
mircea_popescu: the self-driven nails.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00052456 = 13.114 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i watched a great film recently. "knockaround guys". it has some great names in it (malkovich has by now taken his obsession with 'voice training' to the point he has a serious speech impediment, his mental issues with voice remind one of angelina jolie and secondary sexual characteristics)
mircea_popescu: but the thing is so bad, ill conceived, mishapen and plain out lame as you couldn't believe.
mircea_popescu: at some point four utter dorks riding around in a car go "imagine, guys like us. we could be owning this place in a week!"
mircea_popescu: unintentional for sure, but an excellent expose of mental retardation, us style.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00055972 = 9.4033 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: << nothing keeps you from making your own private backup.
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 05:03:59; asciilifeform: (we all know why. and i'm gonna guess that he doesn't give a damn, 'nobody needed the library of alexandria for anything')
mircea_popescu: at the cost of whatever coupla bux it comes to.
mircea_popescu: << 7,203atm.
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 05:08:56; trinque: couldn't tell from the site itself precisely how many posts there are
mircea_popescu: << you certainly can make your own backup. fair use is fair use.
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 05:09:43; trinque: but I'd not archive it without permission
punkman: how many of those are in romanian btw
mircea_popescu: mmm
mircea_popescu: lemme see. tho i'd expect folks with the archival bent to want to preserve those particularly. who even knows what they actually say.
mircea_popescu: 1384 in english, rest in ro
punkman: oh wow, we've missed all kinds of good stuff
mircea_popescu: we have ? o.O
punkman: us that don't read romanian
mircea_popescu: in fairness a lot of it is not legitimately interesting other than to try and pry into "the personality of the man" etc. lots of style discussions, places nobody really gives a shit about etc.
mircea_popescu: a good chunk of the legitimately interesting stuff was linked either here in reference to soemthing or in english articles etc.
mircea_popescu: then again... who knows what i'm even forgetting.
mircea_popescu: !up hazirafel
mircea_popescu: << right out the "i'm not gay, i just like the taste of cock is all" book.
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 05:59:46; mats: 'having killed someone doesn't make you a killer' hue hue hue
mircea_popescu: << you must be new, this has been ongoing once a year for half a decade or some shit.
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 06:11:28; trinque: wtf, namecheap just blasted out an e-mail demanding rudely that I verify my email address due to ICANN something something
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00054698 = 2.9537 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: in other news,
assbot: Loungeoflust - The foreplay part 1 (X-Art) ... ( )
shinohai: That may be the find of the week
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38032 @ 0.00052479 = 19.9588 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48450 @ 0.00052479 = 25.4261 BTC [-]
assbot: ‘Coontown': A noxious, racist corner of Reddit survives recent purge - The Washington Post ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88182 @ 0.0005247 = 46.2691 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70200 @ 0.000533 = 37.4166 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00052371 = 25.6618 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53393 @ 0.00055572 = 29.6716 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00052911 = 13.7039 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: << well, this is true if you're, say, robert durst
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 05:59:46; mats: 'having killed someone doesn't make you a killer' hue hue hue
pete_dushenski: << have not personally watched, but have it on good authority that it's chillingly riveting
assbot: THE JINX ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109479 @ 0.00052369 = 57.3331 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53268 @ 0.00052172 = 27.791 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: << damn. anyone still think that isis is 'a nuisance and if they become anything more they’ll all be killed.' ?
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:22:57; mats: stills
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00052814 = 10.3515 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: << lel. angry climatards be angry. and non-specifically so.
assbot: Climate change is a good thing, NOT THE APOCALYPSE, mkay? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44700 @ 0.00052814 = 23.6079 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: << the one with the pipes ?
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 10:41:52; mircea_popescu: << ever since the block exporter thing i've been mentally picturing you like that scene in brazil
assbot: Terry Gilliam's Movie Brazil - Plumbers' Nasty End - YouTube ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ mega-film
asciilifeform: << me.
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 14:25:59; pete_dushenski: << damn. anyone still think that isis is 'a nuisance and if they become anything more they’ll all be killed.' ?
asciilifeform: they're merely the latest incarnation of usg's dept. of foreign devil menace.
pete_dushenski: aha. al-queda 2.0 ?
asciilifeform: muppet theatre
asciilifeform: taliban 2
asciilifeform: wake me up when they bag a plumbooker
asciilifeform: (^ not a high bar! even 'jonestown' managed)
pete_dushenski: mkay. well you have to admit that they're considerably farther reaching than 'taliban'
punkman: what's a plumbooker?
pete_dushenski: magick usians
asciilifeform: punkman: usa has the equivalent of su nomenklatura. as in, an actual phone book of the annointed
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 i haz pogoplug demo video xD
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: "The United States Government Policy and Supporting Positions, commonly known as the Plum Book, is published every four years, after the Presidential election.  The Plum Book is used to identify presidentially appointed positions within the Federal Government"
punkman: oic
asciilifeform: there is a thicker, nameless book which contains the list of SES ('senior executive service') employees
asciilifeform: (the highest rank in usg's 'non-political' civil service ladder.)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58475 @ 0.0005217 = 30.5064 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: apparently around 5k people
assbot: NYTimes/plumbook · GitHub ... ( )
asciilifeform: << for utter n00bz
assbot: Nomenklatura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
pete_dushenski: << very nicely done, BingoBoingo ! one of your better pieces lately.
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 01:05:21; scoopbot_revived: Limits of Moore's Law Challenge Intel - Questions About Future Performance
decimation: it's true, it looks like the 7-10 nm range is gonna be a strech for production
decimation: obviously prototypes have been created, but it's another matter to crank out such chips in production
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45404 @ 0.00053386 = 24.2394 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: well if bitcoin is just a prototype...
asciilifeform: << from the lulzfarm
assbot: Text Redacted from Barrett Brown Sentencing Transcript ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17773 @ 0.00052168 = 9.2718 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65000 @ 0.00052105 = 33.8683 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56100 @ 0.00052072 = 29.2124 BTC [-] {2}
mats: << rapid7 had an IPO
assbot: Rapid7 Inc: NASDAQ:RPD quotes & news - Google Finance ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3074 @ 0.00053386 = 1.6411 BTC [+]
mats: someone fucked up when pricing their shares
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski ty
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8626 @ 0.00053588 = 4.6225 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8063 @ 0.00052607 = 4.2417 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79098 @ 0.00052065 = 41.1824 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25120 @ 0.00054036 = 13.5738 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30280 @ 0.00054485 = 16.4981 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: << 4.89 mn days destroyed in one transaction.
assbot: ... ( )
pete_dushenski: seems like a lot but i have to admit that i rarely look at such things.
pete_dushenski: $goog pops 15%, $etsy 26% this morning.
shinohai: I heard that a bunch of sjw's got upset because etsy won't let you sell spells anymore.
fluffypony: lol
pete_dushenski: leave spells to the dark markets
shinohai: ^
trinque: mircea_popescu | << you certainly can make your own backup. fair use is fair use. << cool
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 05:09:43; trinque: but I'd not archive it without permission
trinque has all this disk and so little worthwhile content with which to fill it
trinque: I'm thinking of making it a semi-official function of deedbot to archive a particular site at a particular time and timestamp the bundle
punkman: that would make some pretty big bundles though
trinque: punkman: I just snagged a machine with a few raid cards and 8 drives, but yeah, probably so
trinque: I might make the rating requirement for site-archival a bit higher than for deeds
trinque: anyhow, just musing on the thought currently
punkman: URL deeding would be handy
punkman: we had a couple threads about it
assbot: ... ( )
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
jurov: who killed the steam car!
jurov: "Astonishingly, an unmodified Doble Model E runs clean enough to pass the strict emissions laws in California today." heh
BingoBoingo: Interesing
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 277.9, Best ask: 279.2, Bid-ask spread: 1.30000, Last trade: 279.0, 24 hour volume: 32117.18507149, 24 hour low: 272.0, 24 hour high: 281.0, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58600 @ 0.00054485 = 31.9282 BTC [+]
ascii_field: jurov: iirc, the incurably fatal defect of that car was the five-minute start time
jurov: they made it down to 90 sec
jurov: according to tfa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73247 @ 0.00054485 = 39.9086 BTC [+]
assbot: Interview With The Gay Porn Star Behind That Gawker Article | The Daily Caller ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.0005287 = 1.3218 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: << me too! and the "famicon" mentioned earlier in this thread might sound familiar to fans of SMB2 -- the ~real~ SMB2 is known in the english world as "The Lost Levels" because it was deemed "too difficult" for them when it first came out, and "Super Famicon" was re-branded and re-skinned and shipped to USSA in its place
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 04:00:51; *: decimation remembers fondly going to the video rental store to rent nintendo games
trinque: danielpbarron: yeah, our mario 2 was that weird platformer they rebranded at the last minute
assbot: Super Mario Bros. 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
danielpbarron: yep, with the mega-lame least-creative-way-to-end-a-story-possible... IT WAS ALL A DREAM L0L
trinque: that game sucked
danielpbarron: pretty much, although it will always be nostalgic to me
danielpbarron: but yeah, i generally glare at people who exclaim "OMG smb2 is my fav!1"
trinque: I play it for the same reason time to time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88600 @ 0.00054374 = 48.1754 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: shinohai: cool! got a link for us yet? wanna check it out :]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00054485 = 5.1216 BTC [+]
trinque: yeah, neat. I just fired up my own pogo today
trinque: got a nice little intel ssd for it too
mod6: sweet!
shinohai: nice trinque I don't have ssd yet T_T
trinque: had an old 80gb in a macbook I finally retired to the dumpster
trinque sheds a single tear for "elderbook"
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field meanwhile is writing proggy for msdos !
ascii_field: (asm, naturally)
trinque: interesting, what brings you to that archaeological dig?
ascii_field: wurk
trinque: shinohai: newegg has 'em for about 50 bux
jurov: what? macbooks with 80g intel ssds can be bought for 50bux?
scoopbot_revived: Turns out you wanted Hitler after all.
trinque: jurov: no, just the ssd
trinque: tho that macbook wasn't even worth 50 bucks
trinque: bad mobo issues
trinque: kernel panics and such
trinque: would've probably lived longer if not for the many dousings with beer/coffee/misc
ascii_field lulz at the folks who nod when he says 'computer should cost $100k and be a heirloom' who then tell about the coffee they spilled in their 7th laptop
trinque: 100k computer goes in the basement!
trinque: I'll beer all over my cheap terminal
ascii_field: ever look at what vt100 and its contemporaries cost ?
ascii_field: (i, for one, was surprised when learned the answer)
jurov: basement that never gets flooded!
trinque: jurov: errrr sealed missile silo!
trinque: ascii_field: haven't, maybe a misguided assumption
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64362 @ 0.00054036 = 34.7787 BTC [-]
trinque: found one for a grand, damn.
trinque: but this is because it's vintage
ascii_field: nono
ascii_field: ~at the time~
trinque: ah, at the time I'm sure they were very expensive
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187150 @ 0.0005398 = 101.0236 BTC [-] {4}
decimation: I have an old macbook1,1 I would like to use for stator
decimation: i put an ssd in it awhile ago
decimation: one day when I get some extra time I might work on the osx build stuff
mod6: !up assbot
mod6: gdit
mod6: !up ascii_field
mod6: so I dumped a few blocks 0, 1, 2, 199`999, etc.
mod6: and i never did find that magic number in there: 0xf9, 0xbe, 0xb4, 0xd9
ascii_field: mod6: 0xd9b4bef9
mod6: which i thought was kinda weird, so i looked at the code again. This is a part of CMessageHeader, used in ProcessMessage -- so I ran a tcpdump while syncing:
ascii_field: we're little-endian
assbot: ... ( )
ascii_field: mod6: precisely above
ascii_field: 0320: f9be b4d9
ascii_field: you're seeing it
mod6: i don't see the bytes in any order.
mod6: (in the block itself)
mod6: just in the message header
ascii_field: it gets in when it is written
ascii_field: to disk
ascii_field: see the src
mod6: then is dump block not including it?
ascii_field: << ahahah apparently
assbot: Genesis block - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( )
ascii_field: they start with version (32bits), aha
ascii_field: somehow forgot this
mod6: so dumping the first four blocks with `dumpblock' into each their own .bin files, then using xxd and shovling them all into one file, here's the result:
assbot: ... ( )
ascii_field: mod6: matches what i have
mod6: ok, ftr, this is from nsl's node with -verifyall on.
mod6: just thought it was worth mentioning that i found it in the MessageHeader with tcpdump.
mod6: ah, ok so looking at again, we can def. note that it's a v3 block and that's not just some garbage in there.
assbot: ... ( )
mod6: [block 364`672]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00054535 = 18.2147 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
scoopbot_revived: US Can't Retain Drone Pilots
assbot: ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56522 @ 0.00054553 = 30.8344 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: pilots get tired of fish in a barrel, eh?
trinque: how bout that
BingoBoingo: trinque: Probably tired of not actually being pilots
mircea_popescu: kinda weird seeing how drone flying is a common hobby on uni campuses
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16228 @ 0.000546 = 8.8605 BTC [+]
trinque: could be entirely unrelated to being a drone operator too
mircea_popescu: yea
BingoBoingo: Well, there probably a difference between flying drones as a lay hobbyist and flying drones when you spent your youth training to fly planes you fit inside
mircea_popescu: maybe nobody wants to be in the navy anymore because it's doing dumbass "sensitivity training"
mircea_popescu: as a for instance.
davout: who wants to fly drones when you can either fly fighter jets or fuck flight attendants
trinque: yeah, amounts to a cubicle job a lot like being a videogame tester
trinque: or I'd assume
mircea_popescu: all this effort put into becoming "more women friendly" in a retarded, contorted way that women don't give a shit about and pisses off men is mayhap paying off
mircea_popescu: << the on ewith the watching tv
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 14:40:16; asciilifeform: << the one with the pipes ?
mircea_popescu: except you're watching the node spew scroll
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72350 @ 0.00053757 = 38.8932 BTC [-] {3}
trinque: this "surgical" death from the sky thing strikes me as a bit like playing with one's food
trinque: at least larger wars might end
trinque: s/might/will/
mircea_popescu: << so much win.
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 17:06:24; BingoBoingo:
mircea_popescu: << there's that thing which seems to work ok. if anyone actually cares enough about a website (which seems a stretch in my mind, but w/e) they can still do what i did to the usms scammer bunch, curl, base64 and sign.
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 16:51:29; punkman: URL deeding would be handy
mircea_popescu: otherwise "signing an url" is kinda like "windows security" in that pages include foreign elements.
chetty: ahaha so thats it, its realities fault
ascii_field: i must note that is not (apparently) recursive
trinque: well god's dead and that's no fair, so the state will have to chip in instead
BingoBoingo: is indeed not recursive
trinque: the archive I'm building is primarily for my own reading
mircea_popescu: recursive archival is a very much open question.
mircea_popescu: how many copies of the internet do you want ?
ascii_field: depth=1 would make elementary sense
trinque: personally I'll settle for whatever I can find of the best content, and the rest can be damned
ascii_field: for most sites
ascii_field: that is, the default behaviour of 'wget -m'
mircea_popescu: yeah but no guarantee you get your site this way
mircea_popescu: if you really feel like burning time on this, feel free to look at random sites see what depthy=1 gets you
ascii_field: i did.
ascii_field: (on the mr mold example from last night. got everything that's worth anything there)
trinque: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: i guess wp is better than most on this score.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.000546 = 15.6156 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: !up amiller
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77200 @ 0.00052246 = 40.3339 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00052065 = 11.3502 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I'll be back
ascii_field: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: sooo in other nyooz, last night i got a x86_64 buildroot on musl going. shits out a bootable iso
mircea_popescu: o hey!
mircea_popescu: so in principle, we're this close to a pogo binary ?
mircea_popescu: iirc mod6 got stator static
ascii_field: it was static!
ascii_field: when i released it
ascii_field: hence the name
ascii_field: not to be confused with the turd from 3 month ago
ascii_field: which was not
ascii_field: (had dynamic libc)
mircea_popescu: a right
mircea_popescu: vhell then1
mod6: nice ascii_field!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3474 @ 0.00054258 = 1.8849 BTC [+]
ascii_field: point is not only to test pogo build and get musl in, but also it is useful to have a rom-able pc realbitcoinotron
mod6: but yea, was able to build stator as fully static, thanks to ascii_field's cuts from the source.
ascii_field: drop in optical disk, it looks for blockchain on largest blockdev, if doesn't find - counts down with skull, minute later - formats drive, starts fetching blocks...
shinohai: i havent built a staic stator on pogo yet
trinque: nice
ascii_field: ^ above is the notion. all i have presently is a 10m iso that boots to shell
ascii_field: 100% musl though
ascii_field: and self-contained (relies on no libs from host)
ascii_field: !s spreading works
assbot: 9 results for 'spreading works' :
mircea_popescu: ascii_field quite.
mircea_popescu: actually : could we add a replicator ?
ascii_field: ?
mircea_popescu: "pogo responds to magic packet on port X by sending over the iso"
ascii_field: can host on :80
ascii_field: like normal people
mircea_popescu: it has a web server ?!
ascii_field: could have just this
ascii_field: if we wanted
ascii_field: (no need for adult web server)
trinque: if so it's gonna need bitchin ascii art like the foundation site.
ascii_field: will need for the console regardless !
mircea_popescu: i think might be useful feature yea
mircea_popescu: simplify distribution of the iso in any case.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly,
assbot: ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2003 @ 0.00052065 = 1.0429 BTC [-]
trinque: is there anything that'd keep this hp turdserver from having the svm flag on the cpus other than... not having that?
trinque: bios didn't seem to have a virtualization setting
mircea_popescu: Jul 2015538954457,386663,979488816.56 GB << jurov you know i blame you for this right ?
jurov: is that well, you asked for it
mod6: <+trinque> if so it's gonna need bitchin ascii art like the foundation site. << Hear, hear.
mircea_popescu: on the plus side there's well over 1k complete versions of the thing i nthe wild now, so it's not a total loss.
mircea_popescu: but damned, half a yottabyte. i feel like google.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50397 @ 0.00051966 = 26.1893 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: top browsers : WgetYes392,47585.8 %
mircea_popescu: also lulzy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00051914 = 33.0692 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: halp i have endian problems in my head. peta not yotta!
jurov: i thought you're just trying to be poetic
mircea_popescu: that also.
danielpbarron: wow lame, gave only 1
danielpbarron: oops wrong window lol
trinque: either I have a good nose or the neighbors are *really* drinking this afternoon
trinque: can smell the booze
trinque: crypto-robo-babylon when?
ascii_field: pyronecrocryptozoophilia.
ascii_field: today.
trinque: so I go over there with a flamethrower and a bandana on my face, then fuck the ashes?
trinque: got it
trinque: it'd be a neat company to have, something which built heavily fortified homes
trinque: wonder if there's a market for that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88187 @ 0.00054224 = 47.8185 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: if I someday neither hear, smell, nor see neighbors, that'll be a good close to chapter one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104900 @ 0.00051838 = 54.3781 BTC [-] {4}
ben_vulpes: neat to hear about musl, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: my stator's up to 347786
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: once you have a known-good blockchain, just copy it
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: i know that it takes longer, but i like to actually exercise the sync mechanism once every five builds or so
ben_vulpes: anyways i was poking at hunchentoot in service of making an httoy out of some of the patches that you've posted recently and discovered that the sbcl i had on the plane didn't support threads
trinque: aw
trinque: man I would've bought the scam wifi for a flight that long
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: tried 'verifyall' yet ?
ascii_field: that's kinda what it was for
mod6: im running it on two seperate envs now actually.
mod6: ones at 294k and the other... 158k
mod6: !up ascii_field
ben_vulpes: trinque: wifi over ocean: yes. cell for scammers to resell - no
ben_vulpes: the wifi is actually free
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: no, i have not tried verifyall yet
ben_vulpes: just reading your patches and thinking about how to exercise them is a quarter-time job
ascii_field: waiwut
ascii_field: really not much in the patches thus far
ascii_field: mostly antimatter
ascii_field: wait till the ~real~ patches, l0l
ben_vulpes: keep in mind that this is how i'm learning cpp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40950 @ 0.00051968 = 21.2809 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: the only way to re-verify a chain-on-disk right now is to dump and re-eat all blocks, correct?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: that, or twiddle the relevant constant
ascii_field: (i forget precisely where. oughta be a patch!)
ben_vulpes: hrm? what constant is this
ben_vulpes: the only thing i'm aware of in the 'mainstream' codebasen is the "rescan" thinger, but that only looks for transactions relevant to the wallet
ascii_field: -checkblocks
ascii_field: looks like we have it, already
ben_vulpes: lol and completely absent from the usage message
ascii_field: aha.
ascii_field: (it was like this in 0.5.3 iirc)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83050 @ 0.00051664 = 42.907 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: jesus christ
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67733 @ 0.00053583 = 36.2934 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: << all i know is that programming sucks and some ways of doing it suck a little less than others.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 21:07:59; mats: if you hate something, thats fine, but i expect specific and reasoned judgment; its well and good to despise node.js, or javascript, or c++, but i catch a funny smell in here when folks more or less coopt the opinions of their perceived betters
trinque: and if the opinion is justified and the hate remains?
trinque: anyhow, the thread thereafter addressed it.
ascii_field: 'In addition to the ACPI feature, remote wake-up (including AMD Magic Packet and Microsoft Wake-up frame) is supported in both ACPI and APM (Advanced Power Management) environments. To support WOL from a deep power down state (e.g., D3cold, i.e., main power is off and only auxiliary exists), the auxiliary power source must be able to provide the needed power... ...The RTL8111E supports Protocol offload. It offloads some
ascii_field: of the most common protocols to NIC hardware in order to prevent spurious wake up and further reduce power consumption. The RTL8111E can offload ARP (IPv4) and NS (IPv6) protocols while in the D3 power saving state. '
ascii_field: ^ lulzy
ascii_field: mircea_popescu ^
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114750 @ 0.00051561 = 59.1662 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54600 @ 0.00051464 = 28.0993 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6803 @ 0.00053882 = 3.6656 BTC [+] {2}
ag3nt_zer0: hi there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36486 @ 0.00054786 = 19.9892 BTC [+] {5}
trinque: good afternoon, how goes?
shinohai: sup ag3nt_zer0
mircea_popescu: hey ben_vulpes trinque do i have this right, you mostly make apple store games ?
ag3nt_zer0: hey trinque fine just trying to install eulora here... you?
ag3nt_zer0: hey shinohai
trinque: mircea_popescu: nah, I do web turds
mircea_popescu: ah i thought you wored together on same firm thing
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: not games, no
mircea_popescu: but what ?
ben_vulpes: except insofar as vc-backed shartups are games
ben_vulpes: ios and android and webturd "engineering" horsepower as a service
ben_vulpes: if someone were so foolish as to want to pay us to build a game we could
ben_vulpes: everything from promotional apps to apps for insurance companies to internal business process web applications
ag3nt_zer0: do I need to be in particular directory for this to work? "You'll need to install several support libraries via MacPorts. Run sudo port install (package-name) for all of the packages in the first two lists here." - I enter this and it says Error port opengl not found
mircea_popescu: what'd cost me for you to make the eulora client into an ipad app ?
mircea_popescu: but only if you actually can do the whole chain, i don't wish to touch apple. so if yo ucan get it into their store thing etc.
ben_vulpes: yeah generally the first thing we ask for is root on your apple account
ben_vulpes: then your servers
mircea_popescu: i do not have an apple account nor would be getting one.
mircea_popescu: hahaha mno.
mircea_popescu: you get the c++ turdball that's the client.
ben_vulpes: then your children
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: i only give my children to women.
ascii_field will be rather surprised if the thing passes the censors
ben_vulpes: i do have some understanding of how you work
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 yes you do, but that doesn't sound like a wrong directory problem
ag3nt_zer0: entered this sudo port install OpenGL
ben_vulpes: first thing to be aware of is that if it has anything to do with bitcoin and transacting stuff it's going to be a bitch to get past the 'reviewers'
ben_vulpes: censors as alf sez
ben_vulpes: but uh a pile of money probably
mircea_popescu: i don't see how it does.
ben_vulpes: over 9000
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: I am in home directory, where should I be?
mircea_popescu: i personally never got a mac. best everyone knows is in the wiki, you reading that ?
ag3nt_zer0: yeah
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: macports doesn't care what directory you're in
ag3nt_zer0: hmmm ok
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: try doing a sudo port selfupdate first?
ascii_field: speaking of all of this, i realized not long ago that one could easily do a 'pogo' for some shitablet or other
ascii_field: (replacing turdroid etc. in the rom)
trinque: yeah, with external storage?
trinque: pretty sure all tablet makers still charge out the ass for more than a pittance of storage
mircea_popescu: iirc tablets come with 8-16-etc gb
ascii_field: usb jack
mircea_popescu: that's not so common
ascii_field: sop on turdroid
ascii_field: (often needs a cheap mechanical adapter from 'micro' to female 'a')
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60250 @ 0.00051453 = 31.0004 BTC [-] {3}
ag3nt_zer0: well sent a pm to phf hopefully he can help...
ben_vulpes: !s block777
assbot: 0 results for 'block777' :
ben_vulpes: !s
assbot: Block 777 - Bitcoin Blockchain Betting Game ... ( )
assbot: 0 results for '' :
ben_vulpes: 'tis lulzy
ben_vulpes: makes the eyes bleed, but lulzy nevertheless
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: they make micro-usb to usb adapters that plug into the charger port
assbot: ... ( )
williamdunne: Is that a Romanian flag on that tuktuk
williamdunne: Yep
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: For example this can be used to simultaneously charge a phone and give it access to a USB port of its own;
assbot: Micro USB Host Cable Male to USB Female OTG Cable + USB Male Y Cable For Note 4 | eBay ... ( )
williamdunne: Oh wrong about charging part, that's to power whatever is plugged in via usb, lame
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski:
assbot: Stevey's Blog Rants: Wizard School ... ( )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: wat
gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: reference material for ben+pete's school for kids who might maybe not suck one day
jurov: it's named "on the go" connector
jurov: and yes, it's not for 24/7
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: it's a lul by the fella who wrote 'lisp is not an acceptable lisp'
gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: I know.
gabriel_laddel: I've read everything Mr. Yegge has written
ascii_field: jurov: why not 24/7
jurov: cuz not charging.
ascii_field: i have hardware powered by 'usb otg' jacks going 24/7...
ascii_field: data lines still work
jurov: the droid acts as usb host and it is supposed to provide power
jurov: you'll have to recharge it some other way then
ascii_field: i bet this can be finessed
ascii_field: i ordered a 'miracast' last week, would have tested this already, but it was delayed in the post
jurov: i have proposed to use n900's in such manner, less shitty and more OSS than droids, was immediately shot down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00053729 = 9.0533 BTC [+]
jurov: seems we are getting desperate :)
ascii_field: jurov: not so much desperate as the fact that i found a device available for $10-15 ~NEW~ from cn, with 256 (or even 512) MB of ram
ascii_field: and powered via usbotg
ascii_field: new+multivendor is a major plus imho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51250 @ 0.00054542 = 27.9528 BTC [+] {3}
ag3nt_zer0: anyone have any thoughts on the Jolla?
ag3nt_zer0: and/or neo900?
ascii_field: €249.00
ascii_field: irrelevant.
ascii_field: at least - to therealbitcoin.
ascii_field: can buy a fucking computer for that.
ascii_field: or 12 pogos
ascii_field: 14
williamdunne: 00:06:08 - gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: reference material for ben+pete's school for kids who might maybe not suck one day <<< isn't that what #b-a is anyway? At least that's how I'm trying to use it.
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu
assbot: ... ( )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.0005507 = 17.3471 BTC [+]
jurov: !s WLX-652
assbot: 0 results for 'WLX-652' :
jurov: ^ just found this pogo sibling. but nowhere they say how much mem does it have
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: jurov: found a supplier for these ?
ascii_field: (as far as i can tell, they're extinct ...?)
assbot: Standalone BitTorrent BT Client + UPNP USB/NAS/FTP/SAMBA/Printer Sharing Network LAN Server - Free Shipping - DealExtreme ... ( )
ascii_field: expensive
ascii_field: << claims 32MB of ram
assbot: ... ( )
ascii_field: which is what is in my 'hootoo', costing less than half
jurov: 32? then yes, expensive
ascii_field: (we are, sadly, nowhere near the point where we can live in 32)
jurov: back to pogo, all mSATA drives i see are 5-6cm long and impossible to fit inside
jurov: what's supposed to go there at all?
ascii_field: msata ?
ascii_field: pogo has no msata
danielpbarron: the top pops off
danielpbarron: i left that piece on
ascii_field: has normal 'laptop' sata
danielpbarron: drive will stick awkwardly out the top
jurov: ah. so msata won't fit?
assbot: ... ( )
assbot: ... ( )
ascii_field: the naked pcb thing is what is normally called 'msata'
ascii_field: no such jack in pogo
ascii_field: only laptop-sata (bottom of photo)
jurov: but 2.5" drive won't fit
jurov is confused
ascii_field: jurov: it fits
ascii_field: did you remove the dust cover from the pogo ?
jurov: only with top cover completely off and pcb bare
ascii_field: don't strip the pcb, you need the plastic cradle
ascii_field: or the jack is likely to break off
ascii_field: if you have a peculiar drive that won't sit down in the cradle - post photo ?
jurov: so you say Kingston SSDNow V300 2.5" drive will fit in the slit? that's not possible
ascii_field: that is precisely the shape of the drive sitting in mine
jurov: can you post photo of whole setup?
ascii_field: i did, long ago; in the log
ascii_field: presently digging for it
jurov: that drive is 7cm wide and the slit in the cover is only 4.5cm
ascii_field: jurov: you must have something very odd going on. plz post pic
jurov: oh i get it now. the connector protrudes out of the cover
ascii_field: jurov: << not mine - but this is what it will look like.
assbot: ... ( )
danielpbarron: jurov,
assbot: ... ( )
jurov: ok
jurov: danielpbarron: how much free space you have left?
ascii_field: << can use with other shapes
assbot: ... ( )
mircea_popescu: well this was the sight of all time
ascii_field: which
danielpbarron: jurov, /dev/root 109G 58G 45G 57% /
mircea_popescu: so the procuraderia de la nacion, which is basiucally the da's office, has this gated off entryway. in that entryway, stored two meters from the grating, eight five gallon plastic containers full of gasoline.
mircea_popescu: nevermind that i dunno where it's even legal to store gasoline in plastic.
ascii_field: ^ sop in usa
mircea_popescu: anyone can be a terrorist for the price of a quarter dollar cigar.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field in eu you can go to jail for doing that. gotta use metal.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: which metal ?
ascii_field: steel - sparks...
mircea_popescu: there's an alloy
mircea_popescu: i think its mostly tin
ascii_field: in usa everyone uses either the red plastic bottles, or goes to antique shop and buys nazi 'jerry can'
mircea_popescu: nuts.
mircea_popescu: yes, jerry can, that's the proper item
ascii_field: also turns out that the other pogo (the one still in print) has internal sata
mircea_popescu: how big ?
ascii_field: empty jack
mircea_popescu: williamdunne i c.
mircea_popescu: spreading the news :
assbot: ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "Some people have been mailing me lately, random people asking me if their kids should go. It's expensive. Way expensive. Tough choice to make, even now, with Wizard Academy grads making anywhere from a quarter million to a million a year, while the rest of us plod away in 5-figure territory."
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is he on about ?
mircea_popescu: i guess im a later adopter than even yegge.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: he was describing, i think, a fantasy
mircea_popescu: by now it's impossible to tell satire from an obama speech.
ascii_field: some sort of school
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00053131 = 19.074 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Chapel Dulcinea - The Free Wedding Chapel - Are You Guys a Cult, or What? ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "Roy Hollister Williams is a best selling author and marketing consultant best known for his Wizard of Ads trilogy. He is founder of the Wizard Academy institute and currently lives in Austin, Texas with his wife Pennie."
mircea_popescu: wikipedia, ever so endearing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57620 @ 0.00051816 = 29.8564 BTC [-]
jurov: !mpif
assbot: F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021447 B (Total: 426.11 B). Delta: 0.15 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
jurov: !t m f.mpif
assbot: Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.
jurov: O
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00051453 = 12.0143 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: <+ascii_field> in usa everyone uses either the red plastic bottles, or goes to antique shop and buys nazi 'jerry can' << at some point in the last 6+ years, the USSA standardized the can. Now it seems you can only by 1 standard type of red-plastic gas can. And the f'ing pour spout does not work. It is a worthless pile of shit. It makes you twist and unlock it or some crazy shit. Now, I just throw the spout away, and pour through a funnel fro
mod6: It drives me nuts, because I can't find a regular old-school (even a plastic one with a normal pour spout) to save my life. Might have to check at garage sales or something. All major stores only carry Soviet Gas can.
mod6: </rant>
mod6: haha, "Welcome to socialism! Here's this new gas can to save your retard children from drinking it while you're off doing important things."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13965 @ 0.00052392 = 7.3165 BTC [+]
mod6: Oh and did I mention there's no rear breather hole to let the stream pour smoothly?
mod6: Nope.
mod6: this is the spout:
danielpbarron: heh, that url resolves
cazalla: mod6, that looks like a combi can, not sure
mod6: ah, you know, just searching for it... looks like i can by a non-retarded gascan online easy enough.
mod6: i feel like i've said all this before in here too, then jurov linked me to something lol.
mod6: maybe i dreamed it
mod6: this is what i really want:
cazalla: google search shows it to be an eco but quite similar to a combi can.. seems to be user error imo :P
mod6: yeah, eco can. im not the only one, search "new gas can sucks"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46350 @ 0.00053986 = 25.0225 BTC [+]
mod6: the first one i ever used i snapped the fucker while trying to unlock it...
mod6: i was so mad. the girl didn't want to talk to me for 20 minutes because she said was laughing like i was insane.
cazalla: never used an eco can so i can't say, i just use one of these with a spout but when i was doing some chainsaw work, they had these newfangled combi cans and those things are awesome
assbot: ... ( )
cazalla: a funnel i mean.. spout lol
mod6: wow. that's different.
cazalla: that is your typical petrol can found here
cazalla: for your mower and whipper snipper anyway
mod6: `whipper snipper' that's fantasic. im gonna call it that from now on.
cazalla: what do you call it?
danielpbarron: weed whacker
mod6: here it's called `weed wacker' or 'weed whip'
cazalla: nah mate, it's a whipper snipper
mod6: that's so much better.
mod6: this channel is awesome
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40770 @ 0.00054615 = 22.2665 BTC [+]
trinque: lol wtf
trinque: I just got a 500gb SSD in the mail supposedly for amazon
trinque: for someone who does not live here... with no receipt or anything in the packaging
mats: i bought one, it was 150
mats: 'Prime Day'
trinque: sweet
trinque: this drive is not getting plugged into shit
mod6: tomato bath
trinque: mod6: haha wassat?
mats: does that work on SSDs?
mats: suggested method to corrode mechanical drives
trinque: ah
mod6: ah, suppose not.
mod6: melt with blowtorch
mats: or just return it to sender
trinque: yeah, going to call amazon and ask wtf
mats: its expensive enough someone might go looking for it
assbot: Spy stuff on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
trinque: "As you can see, inasmuch as the seal has not been broken, the warranty still stands." << lol!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00054277 = 6.079 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: haha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37650 @ 0.00053767 = 20.2433 BTC [-]
decimation: mod6: < of course, the reason for you gas can problems is usg
assbot: How Government Wrecked the Gas Can ... ( )
decimation: they didn't pass a law, they just made it known that making gas cans that vent to the atmosphere wouldn't make them very happy
decimation: "There’s also the problem of the exploding can. On hot days, the plastic models to which this regulation applies can blow up like balloons. When you release the top, gas flies everywhere, including possibly on a hot engine. "
mod6: bah, i've lived in one of the hottest places in the world. sure, the cans get bloated a bit. just don't stick your face 1" from the thing when opening the lid. simple.
mod6: my favorite: "So for the last three years, you have not been able to buy gas cans that work properly. ..."
mod6: and it is true, i spill much more gas pouring it out of the open mouth without shitsucker nozzle into a funnel with no goddamn breather hole.
mod6: but fuck 'em
trinque: mod6: yeah, lived in tx for a long time, had these
trinque: you just peel the thing slowly
trinque: though I never recall having one without a vent at all
mod6: really?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20508 @ 0.00054904 = 11.2597 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31589 @ 0.00055073 = 17.397 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: yeah, mine had tiny pinhole vents with a plastic cover
trinque: and then the spout on the other end
trinque: they still bloated up though and hissed when you popped the vent
mod6: typicall usg: take something that works perfectly well and then wreck the goddamnthing
trinque: somebody probably knew somebody that made the tardspout
mod6: oh ya
mod6: what's also obnoxious about it, is now i cant easily pour gas on my fire like a normal person.
mod6: i've got a wide mouth USG pos that would light my damn balls on fire in the process.
trinque: heh for this and other reasons, bitcoin.
mod6: so now i have to fill up a plastic/glass cup and then throw it in there from a distance.
trinque: and really, is there any higher freedom than pyrotechnic freedom?
mod6: im sayin'!
asciilifeform: aha, got one of these pieces of shit
asciilifeform: you can buy the nato-standard metal can (copy of nazi item) from various places. for now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42403 @ 0.00051453 = 21.8176 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: in other nyooz,
trinque: how bout that, something that looks like a fucking tool
trinque will have to see if the local army surplus has it
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al: << arm a9; 256M ram; 802.11; hdmi; usb
assbot: Imgur ... ( )
asciilifeform: <mod6> It drives me nuts, because I can't find a regular old-school (even a plastic one with a normal pour spout) to save my life. Might have to check at garage sales or something. All major stores only carry Soviet Gas can. << this is mega-lulzy because ~actual~ soviet gas cans were 100% metal, on the german pattern
ben_vulpes: ikura desu ka, asciilifeform?
ben_vulpes: how much does it cost, and does it *nix?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this one was ~17 usd (with postage)
asciilifeform: and yes
asciilifeform: (the plug in the picture was another few)
ben_vulpes: goodness. usb hdmi and all.
ben_vulpes: we can have wifi in the cardano after all!
ben_vulpes: someone call spamgun.
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: this one is for item mentioned earlier, 'what is the barfiest hardware that might host a node' inquiry.
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business. << Beware the trade guilds << prole ownership of cars is going away. period.
ben_vulpes: witness car2go, zipcar, the whole nine.
ben_vulpes: end game here is a share in a robo fleet.
ben_vulpes: might even approach full utilization of the capital equipment that way, instead of this insane 1:1 car:butt ratio where they're mostly stationary all of the time.
mod6: i like how ascii has the oldest looking deck of cards i've seen.
ben_vulpes: probably brought them over himself.
ben_vulpes: and not in the checked bags.
mod6: he has a eye for antique stuff.
mod6: when we were at the bazzar there was a bunch of neat trinkets
mod6: ok so you use this miracast thing and you link up a 500gb usb drive, good to go?
mod6: (is this like a google tv-like thing?)
asciilifeform: mod6: still need to do a buildroot for this bugger
asciilifeform: and also jurov pointed to a possible boojum (though i have seen account of others who did use usb storage with these)
mod6: ah. ok. looks like this one im looking at on google is $13.46 is that about what the cost is?
asciilifeform: varies
mod6: sure, but about same cost as pogo?
decimation: asciilifeform: worst case you can use it to watch turd tv
asciilifeform: (depending on ram, single/dual/quad core cpu, etc)
asciilifeform: decimation: the included fw doesn't display anything useful. just a menu where you can connect to local wifi
decimation: what's the point then?
asciilifeform: certain pnohes/tardablets are, i'm told, able to throw a picture to these things
decimation: sounds usless
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: hence cheap.
asciilifeform: no one thinks 'it is a computer'
decimation: I was reading my ham radio experimenters magazine today
asciilifeform: but it's a linux box, slightly faster than 'pogo'
decimation: the writer of an article was complaining that some of the designs featured in earlier articles are cranked out by chinese and sold on ebay
decimation: in this case it was an LC meter I think
asciilifeform: mod6: same cost as pogo - the castrato sata-less one - yes. but recall that pogo is a dwindling non-renewable resource
asciilifeform: hence the slow, leisurely search for possible alternatives
decimation: this guy
assbot: DG5MK - DG5MK LCQ-Meter ... ( )
mod6: asciilifeform: very cool.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00052251 = 10.9727 BTC [+]
mod6: how hard is gonna be to do a new buildroot for this one?
asciilifeform: mod6: no idea yet
mod6: *nod*
asciilifeform: mod6: seems like the chinese units can be reflashed via usb; while google's 'chromecast', which is the exact same item but at double cost, has to be diddled via the on-board test points
decimation: < tesla figures out how to milk more cash from the only market they can: current owners
assbot: Tesla announces Model S Ludicrous upgrade, 90-kWh battery ... ( )
mod6: i'll give one a try as soon as it's built and ready to test.
decimation: "
decimation: Details for how Tesla can offer this quicker option can be found in CEO Elon Musk's blog post (available below), but the gist is that a new advanced smart fuse for the battery allows an increase in the maximum amp throughout from 1,300 to 1,500 amps. This will cost new buyers $10,000, but current P85D owners can get the upgrade pack electronics for $5,000 plus installation labor, for the next six months."
asciilifeform: decimation: waitasec. 90kWh ?
decimation: yeah, they stuff more lithium batteries I guess
asciilifeform: nono, think
asciilifeform: take an ordinary petrol engine
asciilifeform: say, 100 horse
asciilifeform: 74600 W
asciilifeform: so ~75kW
decimation: that's the equivalent energy of about 2.5 gal of gas
asciilifeform: and that's all you get in this mega-car ?!
decimation: yep
decimation: hey, it's better than 1 gal
decimation: asciilifeform: batteries suck, what you gonna do
decimation: if batteries were about 10x more energy density they would be the no-brainer solution
asciilifeform thought, for some odd reason, that 'tesla' included an astonishingly large battery
decimation: ^ save the laser fire in the streets
decimation: no no 90 kwh is the 'upgrade'
asciilifeform: and that it behaved somewhat like a proper car
decimation: it does, for about 100 miles I think
ben_vulpes: bwahaha
ben_vulpes: i'll take the ancient corvette any day.
mats: nah, does like 200-250mi in california iirc
asciilifeform: i could, just possibly, get to office & back in this machine
asciilifeform: if no radio and no headlights.
ben_vulpes: or ac!
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: (and no heat. in petrol car, you get engine heat 'for phree' in wintertime)
ben_vulpes: my ac is plumbed from the hydraulic system
ben_vulpes: kills mileage
decimation: yeah I suppose they have some kind of heat pump
mats: << says 265mi when new
assbot: Compare Side-by-Side ... ( )
ben_vulpes: refrigerates
ben_vulpes: god bless america.
mats: which is almost half what a hybrid does.
ben_vulpes: stop trying to disrupt the ice.
ben_vulpes: it is terrifically good at what it does.
decimation: there's only so much efficiency you can glean out of 2.5 gal of gas
decimation: plus, unlike gas, it takes hours to 'fill' instead of seconds
decimation: and the batteries get worse with age and cold
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9936 @ 0.00055096 = 5.4743 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: there's also the 'battery paste' stuff
mats: i'm cheering for tesla to somehow succeed, if musk improves batt tech thats a net win for mankind
decimation: even if improved by a factor of 2x (energy density at the same cost) it would be a huge win
ben_vulpes: why?
ben_vulpes: just price gas out of everyone's hands.
decimation: heh
asciilifeform: mats: afaik, 'tesla' has done nothing whatsoever for battery tech
ben_vulpes: no, seriously mats decimation. why improve batteries?
decimation: no there was a 'tesla teardown' I linked here awhile ago
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: laser pistolz!
asciilifeform: why else.
decimation: ben_vulpes: there are loads of applications that become possible if you have portable high energy source
ben_vulpes: such as?
decimation: like lazer pistols
decimation: or 500 mile range electric cars
ben_vulpes: and what i ask again is wrong with bullets.
ben_vulpes: or the ice.
mod6: cell phones that last longer than 8 hours.
decimation: or home energy storage
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: recall the thread about 'brass is made at izhevsk' ?
ben_vulpes: the cell phone was a bad branch on the tech tree.
mats: well, this is thinking small, but i'd like a 'smartphone' that runs longer than 24h
asciilifeform: that's what's wrong with bullet.
ben_vulpes: well, tablet phone.
ben_vulpes: startac did no wrong
decimation: or double the power for the processor at the same lifetime
ben_vulpes: razr did no wrong
decimation: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
ben_vulpes: i'm growing fond of mp and alf's attitudes towards workstations.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00053475 = 5.9357 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: laptops are going to become more and more impenetrable boxes of turdware.
decimation: the main advantage to workstations: ecc and raid
ben_vulpes: unrepairable, unimproveable.
ben_vulpes: decimation: and ergonomics!
ben_vulpes: decimation: and security!
decimation: the last bit I'm not sure about
ben_vulpes: decimation: and power!
decimation: agreed
ben_vulpes: you do not get the F1 engine power when derping around like armadillo.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> decimation: and security! << at lesat you can easily rip out the shit you don't want. as opposed to debate weather or not to get rid of the screen.
ben_vulpes: i mean physical security, but sure.
ben_vulpes: vaultputer, so to speak.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: speaking of
ben_vulpes: mhm?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'vaultputer' - recall the ancient thread re: nuke test compliance geosensors ?
decimation: even vaultputer needs i/o
mircea_popescu: mod6 lol wut!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can take small computer, instrument with geophones, etc, and pour cement.
mircea_popescu: that looks retarded
decimation: "Something you did recently has been an unmitigated disaster. Of the roughly 1000 spam threads I've gone through so far, right now 228 threads were incorrectly marked as spam."
assbot: ... ( )
decimation: ^ Linus bitching about gmail
ben_vulpes: decimation: they are now refusing to mark spam for me.
mod6: mircea_popescu: wifi antennas
ben_vulpes: i suspect that fitbit is paying to get through their filter.
mircea_popescu: <mod6> this channel is awesome << bwahahyaha okay.
decimation: I thought the whole point of spam was to force you onto gmail
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: 'It wouldn’t surprise me to find, for example, a sudden proliferation of heavy-duty “water cans” in 1- and 5-gallon sizes, complete with nice spouts and vents, looking almost exactly like the gas cans you could get anywhere just a few years ago. How very interesting to discover this. Of course, this law-abiding writer would never advocate buying one of these and using it for some purpose other than what is written on the
asciilifeform: package. Doing something like that would show profound disrespect for our betters in the bureaucracies. And if I did suggest something like that, there’s no telling the trouble that it would bring down on my head.'
asciilifeform: ^ l0lz!
asciilifeform: 'Ask yourself this: If they can wreck such a normal and traditional item like this, and do it largely under the radar screen, what else have they mandatorily malfunctioned? How many other things in our daily lives have been distorted, deformed and destroyed by government regulations? If some product annoys you in surprising ways, there’s a good chance that it is not the invisible hand at work, but rather the regulatory grip
asciilifeform: that is squeezing the life out of civilization itself.'
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: do you know where this file resides? 6. Compile Eulora Add the following line to ~/.bash_profile:
asciilifeform: ^ actually 9 out of 10 times that i smash some piece of shit from sheer contempt, it is because of chinafication and 'market' penny-shaving, rather than direct usg mandated suck
mircea_popescu: i dont but try find -name bash.profile ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from what i gather the proposition is that these aren't different.
mod6: next they'll sell us a toothbrush that doubles as a jackhammer. won't need to prop up the dental insurance companies any more, no one will have any more cavity laden teeth.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is just so. but i don't think the fella who wrote the linked piece, would agree
mircea_popescu: it has a little leg to stand on, at least. inasmuch as usg claims a mandate to regulate everything, every failure of regulation is on their head.
mircea_popescu: well, what people do and what people mean to do may diverge, but nobody cares about the latter. the fellow who wrote it necessarily agrees, in the writing.
asciilifeform: the gas can item is notable for the sheer ham-handedness of the usgification
asciilifeform: normally they find some way to 'market-wash' the suck
asciilifeform: make it seem inevitable, wholesome, capitalistic.
asciilifeform: like that chinese flashlight, with micro and eeprom
asciilifeform learned that he still has the pieces of that thing, in a box, somewhere
decimation: or the phasing out of proper refrigerant
asciilifeform: ^ nah, that was quite a bit more like the fuel cna
asciilifeform: can
decimation: heh true
asciilifeform: 'envirowhinerism: expensive, shoddy, deadly.' -- uncle al
mircea_popescu: or the incredibly colonialist "now that the third world can produce lightbulbs, it's time to 'move on' to a toxic 'alternative' that looks god awful and will poison the immediate environment with mercury"
mats: fake pyrex
mats: le sigh
mircea_popescu: imo that's the top of the list of that stupid shit, and it's not even usian
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and when they gear up to blow the glass, fill it up? time for white led
asciilifeform: full of rare earths
mircea_popescu: yes. the lightbulb scandal is the one thing to hang people for.
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mircea_popescu: actually even above the "global warming" sham.
asciilifeform: the white led has got to be an asian revenge for the ccfl though
asciilifeform: usa is poor in rare earths
mircea_popescu: usa is poor in anything but bison.
asciilifeform: until recently - helium was a u.s. monopoly
asciilifeform: but it was spent. (how? homeland severity! neutron detectors at border checkpoints, $maxint)
decimation: actually they have plenty of them in the ground, it's just not very profitablel to mine/process
asciilifeform: it's a decay daughter
asciilifeform: so only so much of it in there, at one time.
decimation: no I meant the rare earths, helium is a problem
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you recall the philips cartel? the history of 'squeeze the third world out of light bulbs' is almost a century long !
decimation: really there's no 'running out' of any element - just 'no longer cheap'
asciilifeform: japan was supplying 'cartel-breaking' edisonian bulbs, to the great annoyance of cartel, in the '30s iirc
asciilifeform: made largely by hand, in ragtag workshops
mircea_popescu: << eh bs.
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 01:43:53; ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business. << Beware the trade guilds << prole ownership of cars is going away. period.
mircea_popescu: usians are going away. not to be confused with actual trends for actual people.
assbot: SPHINCS:Introduction ... ( )
trinque: "Special note to law-enforcement agents" << sad that they felt this needed to be said
mats: >Special note to law-enforcement agents: ... We are not talking about eliminating other types of states. We love most states, especially yours! Also, "hash" is another technical term and has nothing to do with cannabis.
trinque: heh yeah
decimation: "Signatures are 41 KB"!!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: proles are people nao?
mircea_popescu: "including bigger batteries and a quicker acceleration mode, called "Ludicrous." That option will take the car from zero to 60 miles per hour in 2.8 seconds. During the hold music for the online press conference, the automaker played some of Ludacris' music"
decimation: mircea_popescu: what else you expect, selling baubles to idiots?
mircea_popescu: bunch of retarded fucking monkeys. << this inept fuckwit really thought THAT is what needs to be reported.
assbot: ... ( )
mircea_popescu: do they even have schools in usia anymore ?
decimation: it's the human angle, see
mircea_popescu: mats could have been lol but it lost me at "post-quantum"
mircea_popescu: i see the monkey angle there, is the thing ;/
mats: but, djb
mircea_popescu: ;;ud djb
gribble: | Not Djb or DJB but sometimes d~J~b. Looks better in dresses than I do. ._.
decimation: lol
mats: Daniel J Bernstein
mircea_popescu: o that guy. mkay.
ben_vulpes: i wonder how pete woulda treated the tesla
mircea_popescu: << been pointed out to death, this, but somehow the 75k fucktards who bought it just glaze over and it flies past them and everyone else knew already so doesn't care.
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 02:02:37; asciilifeform: and that's all you get in this mega-car ?!
mircea_popescu: anyway. yes, electric car is a piece of shit submarine-airplane joint nonsense, specifically because there is no battery equivalent of fuel.
mircea_popescu: << if ~ terrorists would also use batteries instead of bombs.
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 02:03:20; decimation: if batteries were about 10x more energy density they would be the no-brainer solution
decimation: good point
decimation: or they would just laser-cut their way through 'strong points'
mircea_popescu: << i'm cheering for that anon schmuck working on a perpetuum mobile to succeed too.
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 02:07:12; mats: i'm cheering for tesla to somehow succeed, if musk improves batt tech thats a net win for mankind
mircea_popescu: the problem is, idiots working on wrong problems are not a net win for humanity.
decimation: yeah is there any evidence he has improved batteries or is even working on it?
mircea_popescu: which incidentally, since you don't ask, is exactly how love and hate works in this channel.
mircea_popescu: the more resources one throws at a wrong problem, the more thoroughly reviled.
mircea_popescu: the converse also holds.
gernika: Incidentally, I had the completely opposite impression that Tesla was catching on - having recently seen Tesla recharging stations at a Holiday Inn in Winnemucca. Seems I should have weighted more heavily the fact that -- no one was using them.
mircea_popescu: decimation well, hes improved the mass production part.
mircea_popescu: you can now get a 70kwh battery for cheaper than in 1995.
decimation: yeah I linked a teardown awhile ago -
assbot: Logged on 20-09-2014 17:12:50; decimation: asciilifeform: some guy bought a 'salvaged Tesla' and did a teardown of the battery pack:
mircea_popescu: << no. the main advantage is the screwdriver.
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 02:10:35; decimation: the main advantage to workstations: ecc and raid
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah. and the impression i got, from there an' everywhyere lese, is exactlly this : neat execution, uninnovative.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing new there but they made it cleanly.
decimation: yeah, just a big package of standard lithium batteries
mircea_popescu: now if the us could just get over itself collectively and reach the humility of chinese peasants cca 1970, the us would be all ready to be china thirty years ago.
mircea_popescu: people like that black dude in wc metro are actually helping.
decimation: the liberal elite are trying the hardest to avert their eyes from him
mircea_popescu: this "liberal elite" thing...
mircea_popescu: i dunno that the us has an elite. merely a perception of such a thing does not cosntitute one.
mircea_popescu: who exactly, outside of that idiot mit kid, actually says "we are the elite and move out of our way" ?
decimation: somebody fills the plum book, decides what the ny times prints, prints usd, etc
mircea_popescu: if i go up to obama and take a leak on his shoes he's going to say "that's inappropriate" isn't he.
mircea_popescu: or "that wasn't necessary" or some bs.
mircea_popescu: what elite ?
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decimation: you would be tackled and arrested (by 'his' people)
mircea_popescu: and charged with anything but "failing to respect the elite"
mircea_popescu: which is the tell tale sign of the absence of such an elite.
mircea_popescu: im all for prosecuting them AS IF THEY WERE, it's right and proper.
mircea_popescu: but that aside : they aren't.
mats: am not an expert by any means but this air-metal stuff looks 'next gen'
decimation: they certainly pretend to it
mircea_popescu: not in so many words.
mircea_popescu: unaware, unready, unprepared and undesirious.
mircea_popescu: an elite in all senses of the term that are negative.
assbot: Efficient Dual Source Battery Pack System for an Electric Vehicle - Patent application ... ( )
gernika: Who was the last known elite person in usia? Someone in the Sicilian mafia? (serious)
decimation: mats: people have been coming up with battery tech for ages, with incremental improvement. I hope they can actually produce it
mats: I tend to think of the Kochs when 'elite' comes to mind
mircea_popescu: gernika possibly the psoriasis banker guy
decimation: mats: the Kochs are universally reviled by the east coast set
mircea_popescu: i imagine the sentiment is mutual.
TomServo: h
mats: how about the Kennedys, then
mircea_popescu: wut a bet.
assbot: BitBet - Netflix Inc will trade at least 790 USD per share before July 24th :: 1.26 B (21%) on Yes, 4.64 B (79%) on No | closed 23 hours 38 minutes ago ... ( )
mircea_popescu: mats the kennedys never went out with a "we're better than you, so do it this way"
mircea_popescu: i suppose you can count the moon thing, if you wish.
gernika: !s psoriasis
assbot: 3 results for 'psoriasis' :
mircea_popescu: gernika jpmorgan.
mircea_popescu: how goes TomServo
gernika: ah so it's been over 100 years.
williamdunne: What on earth made them think that they would go that high
mats: yeah wtf is this bet? NFLX is at 114
hanbot: mats mind the 7/1 split
mircea_popescu: look who's not following teh market >D
mats: o, what's the ticker for the other
phf: i thought in u.s. liberal elite is a keyboard for professorial types with feminist wives, who go to opera and listen to npr
williamdunne: that makes sense
phf: *keyword
mats: nvm
decimation: phf: yes, the same ones who staff usg bureaucracies and corporations
phf: decimation: "we like to listen to tchaikovsky. incidently alexander berzshinkiy is playing our favorite tchaikovsky works at kennedy center next month."
hanbot: the same ones who'd buy a keyboard cause it's called 'elite'
mircea_popescu: phf yeah, middle aged men looking about as sad as the nayor of mew york.
mircea_popescu: such an iconic image, that.
mircea_popescu: << there. that's your "liberal elite"
assbot: The elephant in the room on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: in a shitty 70s suit, looking like they won the zoo lottery and it's more monkeys.
decimation: what do you expect? being carried in the streets in a litter?
mircea_popescu: if that's what elite is...
mircea_popescu: if anyone wonders what "lich" in that pic is,
assbot: LICH Act passes Assembly | Capital New York ... ( )
mircea_popescu: apparently NEEDS MATTER!111
decimation: it's more complicated than you might think. in many us states it is against the law to build a hospital unless you 'prove' that there's a 'need' for one
decimation: "In 1964, New York became the first state to enact a statute granting the state government power to determine whether there was a need for any new hospital or nursing home before it was approved for construction."
mircea_popescu: the notion of "approved" for construction is foreign to my mental universe.
mircea_popescu: ima build a fucking wizard tower on my own land if i feel so inclined, and if anyone doesn't like it ima add cannons to it.
decimation: ^ that's highly illegal in nearly all locales in the us
decimation: especially if the plans are unapproved
mircea_popescu: i guess neartly all locales in the us are fortunate i don't give a shiot about building anything there.
decimation: some places in rural bumfuck you can do it though:
assbot: Bishops Castle ... ( )
TheNewDeal: mp, I've got a talented phocomelus that can man your wizard tower. 5 star techie
decimation: " If you do stop and talk to Jim, you'll discover that the hardest work in the whole project was fending off all kinds of attacks on him and his work coming from the federal government and the National Forest Service: he's on private property but he's surrounded by National Forest and the feds want complete control of everything. In Jim's words: the only thing they haven't done is they haven't shot him, yet."
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal cool!
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mircea_popescu: decimation adding that nonsense to the porcfest nonsense (or was it burning man ?) i'll lol once every house in the us has to have a special bathroom for any visiting cops
mircea_popescu: that the residents may not use
TheNewDeal: that was required by 3rd amendment v2.0
TheNewDeal: must haz cops
decimation: yeah it was burning man when usg agent demanded royal tent serviced by servants
decimation: the powerpoint even demanded that the thing be called 'blue pit'
mircea_popescu: and to think 99% odds are all these shenanigans is because the sexually deprived twerp was trying to get laid with some marginally fuckable middle aged woman.
decimation: he kinda implied he was better than 'little people', does that make him elite?
mircea_popescu: did he say it ?
mircea_popescu: you gotta ask the girl out to be a man. that's the bar. you don't ask, you're not a man. you hint at her you might like to, you're a lesbian trapped in a transsexual's body, not a man.
mircea_popescu: elite works the same way.
decimation: I doubt there was a blank on the permit form that allowed one to declare one's superiority
mircea_popescu: which is why form pushers can never be elite.
mircea_popescu: clerks are clerks.
mircea_popescu: they can hang as elite, sure. a hare can hang as a fox.
mircea_popescu: but it can never BE a fox, while living. nor can these pencilnecks be elite.
decimation: in this sense, the us is like a jealous mob - always keeping one eye out for the unforgivable crime of trying to clamour above the others
mircea_popescu: well, democracy.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen xemist
gribble: I have not seen xemist.
TheNewDeal: an envious lot, I think jealousy goes to far... implies too much work
TheNewDeal: methinks*
mircea_popescu: what's your definition of jealousy ?
TheNewDeal: you know. Seeing pencilneck prick drive a jaguar down the road. Slober at him, then go home and watch tv to forget
mircea_popescu: and envy ?
TheNewDeal: ah shite
mircea_popescu: lol yw.
decimation: ;;dict envy
gribble: wn: envy n 1: a feeling of grudging admiration and desire to have something that is possessed by another [syn: {envy}, {enviousness}] 2: spite and resentment at seeing the success of another (personified as one of the deadly sins) [syn: {envy}, {invidia}] v 1: feel envious towards; admire enviously 2: be envious of; set one's heart on [syn: {envy}, {begrudge}]
TheNewDeal: that was my envious example
decimation: ;;dict jealousy
gribble: wn: jealousy n 1: a feeling of jealous envy (especially of a rival) [syn: {jealousy}, {green-eyed monster}] 2: zealous vigilance; "cherish their official political freedom with fierce jealousy"-Paul Blanshard
TheNewDeal: I was thinking jealous should be the superlative
mircea_popescu: i ask because this is a fine example of english being a pigdin, where dictionaries don't define and nothing means anything specific
TheNewDeal: ;;ud jealous
gribble: | For instance, envious/jealous behavior such as a friend has a nice new car and instead of being truly happy for them you badmouth them or the car or make up ...
mircea_popescu: in sane languaged jealousy is sexual and envy material
mircea_popescu: but apparently that's not widely known in english.
danielpbarron: i thought it was that you're jealous of your own things and envious of other people's things
TheNewDeal: whats that one commandment about neighbor's wives?
mircea_popescu: "make sure they're always pregnant" ?
decimation: ;;dict covet
gribble: wn: covet v 1: wish, long, or crave for (something, especially the property of another person); "She covets her sister's house"
TheNewDeal: covet
phf: covet
TheNewDeal: that's the ticket
phf: ha
mircea_popescu: may be a false friend, it comes from a time when wives were just another kind of chattel.
TheNewDeal: a person's wife is obviously their property. This material vs sexual is getting to intermingled
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mircea_popescu: don't covet another man's fleet of ships, gaggle of cunts or flock of deer.
mircea_popescu: this obviousness doth not follow.
TheNewDeal: have you published an actual 10 commandments yet? We need a v1.0
mircea_popescu: i don't believe in the prescriptive approach.
TheNewDeal: not some fairytale nonsense
TheNewDeal: It can be something cheesy along the lines of the native american 10 commandments
assbot: The Ten Native American Commandments ... ( )
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this respect
TheNewDeal: like in da Ali G sense
assbot: The Ten Commandments Of Liberalism - John Hawkins - Page 1 ... ( )
assbot: The 10 Commandments For Drinking Like a Man ... ( )
mircea_popescu: check it out - everything on the internet is a list now.
TheNewDeal: truly
mircea_popescu: pretty sad indictment of the intellectual capacity of the people behind it.
TheNewDeal: usians crave buzzfeed and chive, nothing more, nothing less
mircea_popescu: even english lit professors a few decades ago would have laughed this pedestrian bullshit out of class.
assbot: The Power of Ten -- Rules for Writing Safety Critical Code ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "oh, you have no clue about composition so take refuge in the bullet point ? go back to the hoe."
TheNewDeal: 60 lines, what kind of piss-ass function is this? takes that many to clear the registers and program counter
TheNewDeal: update the PC
assbot: The Notorious B.I.G (Ten Crack Commandments) - YouTube ... ( )
mircea_popescu: " Snapping, clapping, yelling, whistling or just general rudeness to someone waiting on you are a sure sign to anyone in your company that if they spend enough time around you, you’ll eventually treat them with the same selfish nonchalance and disdain that you treat those who are paid to be nice to you."
mircea_popescu: motherfucker.
mircea_popescu: someone "paid to be nice^H^H^H^H be my servant who fucks up his DUTIES is going to be called to task. before a sound beating.
mircea_popescu: and yes, anyone else contemplating the same position'd better get in their skulls that no, they don't get to fuck around on the job.
mircea_popescu: here we sit discussing "elites" in a space that doesn't even know how to keep the servants in line
mircea_popescu: or more importantly, that there IS such a thing as servants, and such a thing as a line for them to keep to.
mircea_popescu: what fucking elite. start by keeping a household.
mircea_popescu: elite comes a century thereafter.
decimation: levelers gotta level
TheNewDeal: it's a land of servants, and the alleged elites are house-negros
mircea_popescu: anyways. off to look for slithy toves.
mircea_popescu: the life i lead...
punkman: do they still make english butlers?
ag3nt_zer0: well I just spent a few hours following that eulora mac guide and last 2 steps yielded this: Install1 /usr/local/eulora/lib/libxdelta3-0.0.a ...failed updating 4 target(s)... ...skipped 8 target(s)... ...updated 15 target(s)... xxxx-Mac-mini:eulora MacMini$ ./euclient -bash: ./euclient: cannot execute binary file
ag3nt_zer0: so think I am done as I don't know what the hell I am doing
decimation: early yarvin had a point about this: "You are a Catholic. Your parents were Catholics. You were educated by Catholics. You are governed by Catholics. All your friends are Catholics. All the books you've ever read were written by Catholics.
TheNewDeal: just pay someone here to do it
decimation: "How do you convince this guy or gal that the answer to all the world's problems is not "more Catholicism"? How do you say, um, dude, this Trinity thing - the virgin birth - transsubstantiation... ya know...
TheNewDeal: who's those yarvin character?
TheNewDeal: and for the record punkman, the 10 crack commandments shouldn't be grouped with the liberal buzzfeed nonsense, because that's legitmate knowledge passed down by a semi-respectable ruffian
ben_vulpes: more like a jester, retelling stories he heard knights bandying about
ben_vulpes to numb the family-in-law with more booze
decimation: TheNewDeal: it's mencius moldbug:
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: The case against democracy: ten red pills ... ( )
punkman: TheNewDeal: yeah those 10 are not so bad
TheNewDeal: never heard him referred to as yarvin
decimation: it's his real name, curtis yarvin
TheNewDeal: doxxed!
TheNewDeal: I jest
TheNewDeal: decimation I had a friend convice me quite shortly after being confirmed as a Catholic. Just need to be open-minded. Tough for a large majority of sheeple
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: In Romanian is new and first the same word?
williamdunne: ignore me
williamdunne: Trying to work out why a translation is so poor
decimation: TheNewDeal: I have no problem with catholics, but what's not obvious from what I pasted is that moldbug is making a point about being submerged in a particular point of view from birth
decimation: usians know nothing other than rabid egalitarianism
danielpbarron has a problem with catholics
decimation: heh yeah I'm not a fan of the pope and the authority of the church over scripture
TheNewDeal: egalitarianism is the biggest epic fail of usian existence
TheNewDeal: but hey, write it on a few pieces of parchment, print it on the money, and it must be true

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