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dorion: january 2014
jfw: since 2014
mircea_popescu: wtf is some guy going to "convert" you into, me becoming blind ? holy shit the contortions of self-defensive imbecility.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 17:46:05 mircea_popescu: hey spyked check this stuff out! http://kolector.ro/2014/12/16/marturia-unei-corespondente-necenzurate-despre-teroarea-regimului-dej/
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949366 <-- kinda gives me the impulse to make a pass through the whole blog. too bad he stopped posting in 2014 (minus the 2019 post on yebay)
mp_en_viaje: i would be much surprised if indeed a full ONE PERCENT of the dependencies you perceive/imagine/hallucinate are actual bona fide legitimate dependencies. you live your life in the http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/ style ; naming some outfit doesn't depend on whether they're good, it depends on whether they're important, which they are already since you drove there. explaining what you did and why you did
mp_en_viaje: what else is a following for, if not tryina arbitrage it against the only eternal thing ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-10 10:26:06 asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mp_en_viaje if you think asciilifeform is liar, then per the mp's operating instruction you have wrong sign bit on asciilifeform's rating. i'ma take that -9 nao.
lobbesbot: mp_en_viaje: Sent 58 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> if you think [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944450] [asciilifeform is liar] , then per the [http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/] [mp's operating instruction] you have wrong sign bit on asciilifeform's rating. i'ma take that -9 nao.
asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mp_en_viaje if you think asciilifeform is liar, then per the mp's operating instruction you have wrong sign bit on asciilifeform's rating. i'ma take that -9 nao.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944350 << actually that was the whole idea. the entire concept of a socialist economy is that market communication is spurious because somehow everyone inherits the perfect knowledge of the planners.
BingoBoingo: When the Bitcoin declaration of independence went around gathering signatures in 2014, it was enough to dislike the USG and want to see the USG done. Now, for the failures of marketing outside of the MP household... much of the language about the Republic seems larpish, except when he says it because... He's been a battleship before Bitcoin.
mp_en_viaje: regardless, http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ still stands : by the time we're done, empire won't be able to distinguish its meatsacks from bots. end of story, let it send lobbesbot get-out-the-vote cards.
mp_en_viaje: they sat on ass and sucked each other dicks about how important they are for bitcoin "Because mp says so" while bitcoin went exactly by them, like all other plowing flies. but like EXACTLY.
mp_en_viaje: they can suck it up and like it very much, or else drop the "corporate policy" and start sucking cock, whatever comes first.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 11:29:36 mp_en_viaje: you never know what you get. BingoBoingo went to uy to make a dc and apparently wants to stay for some chick ~from peru~ (who guaranteedly didn't go there to meet a gringo from the greater chicagoland areamasssurface) ; i i went to costa rica for pride and stayed for the climate, etcetera
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942320 << if they're un-fritzchipped (i.e. pre-2014) opterons, and sans-ipmi, i'ma be impressed. but even any kinda opteron offer -- rare nowadays .
mp_en_viaje: i still don;t perceive the difference between above quited john d. and historical curtis y, or tucker m. or etc. this may be a failure of my differentiator, but w/e.
mp_en_viaje: you never know what you get. BingoBoingo went to uy to make a dc and apparently wants to stay for some chick ~from peru~ (who guaranteedly didn't go there to meet a gringo from the greater chicagoland areamasssurface) ; i i went to costa rica for pride and stayed for the climate, etcetera
mp_en_viaje: i can say definitely that outside of ancient newspapers of very narrow scholarly interest eg and REALLY old versions of europapers (eg) nothing reads even remotely as well as qntra.
mp_en_viaje: and so following, i could keep quoting these, from http://trilema.com/2016/the-internet-of-shit/ to whatever, http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014/?b=the%20live&e=log#select shows, specifically, 202136 hits between 05:56:35 and 06:01:56, that's then 1k connections/second or thereabouts...
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i offered them a server back in 2011 ; and then throughout cca 2014. they never took me up on it, and eventually sold out to usg agency
mp_en_viaje: people lie, and the contemporary fucktard mindset is... well... that the point of life is letting them.
mp_en_viaje: what is this halfass cvasi-dos ffs, i thought we're talking srs bzns
billymg: mp_en_viaje: "I want to add here a link to that "they live meaningless lives" cartoon thing, which is already in the footnote of a relevant Trilema piece, which of course I can't find." << http://trilema.com/2014/that-aint-the-maslow-pyramid-yo/ and http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/#identifier_5_53722
mp_en_viaje: this neatly doubles the "great progress of ourdemocracy -- life expectancy". if you inflation-fudge the data to include babies, you get the numbers you want ; but if you don't you end up with much better everything, by letting most kids die rather than carrying them on the books pointelliottly.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 02:20:46 mp_en_viaje: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-02#940849 ; possibly the best compressed illustration of "why ancient, what's wrong with modern" could be had reviewing the phonetis of hoi polloi. so : it was [hoi polloi] in the ancient world, with gemminated l and everyting else good right and proper. it's... well, it's [i poˈli] these days, because "do we still have to DO th
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938894 << the way to gain such is the same way as gaining a lot of new children. if the russians stayed in berlin -- but for reals, not just one quickie rape passing throiugh, then modern eastern german'd conceivably have been as sluttily hybridized as phoenician-dri
mp_en_viaje: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-02#940849 ; possibly the best compressed illustration of "why ancient, what's wrong with modern" could be had reviewing the phonetis of hoi polloi. so : it was [hoi polloi] in the ancient world, with gemminated l and everyting else good right and proper. it's... well, it's [i poˈli] these days, because "do we still have to DO th
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile the remainder 98% sits there herpy-derping about http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/
mircea_popescu: and participation ~doesn't take all that much~. that's why it exists, after all, because it's easy, because it is in fact even easier than the very little use them powerful old men behaving badly might put a dumb wench towards.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 23:27:50 asciilifeform: ericbot: i'ma restate compactly. atm we index lines. by a monotonic # . the timestamps are stored as unix epochal times. the urls, however, demand a e.g. 2014-07-16 , and always did, and these both now and then were parsed via what the particular box thought local time was. resulting in headache, because machine timekeeping was , and remains, shite.
asciilifeform: ericbot: i'ma restate compactly. atm we index lines. by a monotonic # . the timestamps are stored as unix epochal times. the urls, however, demand a e.g. 2014-07-16 , and always did, and these both now and then were parsed via what the particular box thought local time was. resulting in headache, because machine timekeeping was , and remains, shite.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 11:35:18 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931353 << phf yer missing the point , i need so that http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758070 AND http://btcbase.org/log/1945-07-16#758070 go to same thing !
mircea_popescu: it's philosophically fraught, because as per the spec a rating of 0 should convey that the rater deems he can answer NO questions about the ratee. in which case... why is it a rating.
mircea_popescu: so yes, i expect a VERY steady stream of "oh, http://trilema.com/2014/the-twinheaded-announcer-announces/#footnote_0_55947[][i tried] this, here's how it worked" for ALL items in that situation.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-05-25 01:53:45 trinque: http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/about-us/news/elaine-shi-named-2014-sloan-research-fellow << umd! sorry, that homely beast is all yours.
mircea_popescu: once you divide by 0, you'll get any other result you want ; once you buy this pantsuit idiocy of "try to guess what your life might mean in context", your life will be an endless AND DOOMED quest to rid yourself of pantsuitism.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-07-17 15:29:30 a111: Logged on 2014-12-08 17:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://yarchive.net/med/social_osteoporosis.html << related hypothesis
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: found it, fwiw
snsabot: Logged on 2018-11-25 13:50:17 a111: Logged on 2014-09-10 15:02 mircea_popescu: well yeah. was a bunch o people, they got building permit and proceeded to built like at home. concrete pillars, brick walls etc.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 01:42:47 mircea_popescu: there's http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-03#856336 / http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-03#856338 distinction bearing here : if one's notion of technical acument doesn't include "describing the things", every dog's an engineer nonpareil for having fleas.
mircea_popescu: one can't quite make fleas in the lab as things stand right now, so in this utterly jeffersonian view the ploughsman's the only true scientist.
mircea_popescu: there's http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-03#856336 / http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-03#856338 distinction bearing here : if one's notion of technical acument doesn't include "describing the things", every dog's an engineer nonpareil for having fleas.
mircea_popescu: if i'm gonna want to learn about sex ima ask rapists not "careerwomen", and if i'm gonna want to learn about war ima visit hitler not "pacifists", "global hunger fixers" an' the rest of that very sad lot.
mircea_popescu: you understand this ? http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ contains ~THE ACTUAL EMAISL~. with the dumb bitches' name. and http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/ inclkudes ~the actual filings~. not "a summary", not some fucking whisperings.
mircea_popescu: c) we don't take your elder sons/merit-washed eromenoi, fuck off, this is only for nazi kids.
mircea_popescu: until then, he's just another dicklet, equally capable of fame as any other item, which is to say precisely 0.
mircea_popescu: way the fuck better way to spend one's time than wanking over apple, in any case. and besides -- that's not even a v tree!
mircea_popescu: who pulled revenue from ~outside~ of republic ? ian murdock ? mark cuban ? esr ? varanul ? things that don't exist don't exist because they dont' exist, can't go about blaming the inex
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933961 << it occurs to me this passed unformalized, and it'd be a pity. so, the mp theory of work-conditions-and-productivity-for-intellectuals :
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's necessary, because they're so utterly wrong in everything
asciilifeform meanwhile found; was in era 1 .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 11:35:18 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931353 << phf yer missing the point , i need so that http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758070 AND http://btcbase.org/log/1945-07-16#758070 go to same thing !
asciilifeform: also oblg. apropos of ye olde http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/ >> all 4 planes were ~half full .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 04:13:06 phf: fixing an old style link is then cheap e.g. for http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758070 i parse out 758070, (entryref 758070), then render the url (which is standard url rendering function) which uses whatever date that's stored in the message record, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758070 in this particular case they happen to be the same, but the point is that this is not a regex transform. essentially i do a
phf: fixing an old style link is then cheap e.g. for http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758070 i parse out 758070, (entryref 758070), then render the url (which is standard url rendering function) which uses whatever date that's stored in the message record, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758070 in this particular case they happen to be the same, but the point is that this is not a regex transform. essentially i do a
asciilifeform: phf: where's 2014-15 ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 23:35:44 asciilifeform: meanwhile: today's trilemalotto .
snsabot: Logged on 2016-08-07 12:36:39 a111: Logged on 2014-11-26 04:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one point i needed some conductive cloth (the kind with silver strands) for an experiment. to my great surprise, i discovered that there is a large manufacturer in usa, and they do brisk business with folks suffering from precisely the kind of phobia described in decimation's link.
mircea_popescu: and lemme say i can't recommend namesilo enough. they turned out to be exactly the needed pill, but their bitcoin integration is actually so good, it interfaces with deedbot directly!
snsabot: Logged on 2016-09-26 15:36:06 a111: Logged on 2014-11-26 00:46 asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
mp_en_viaje: ("oh but mp, it wasn't TRILEMA that opened the floodgates ; they just opened coincidentally". "really bitch ? and back in 2014, when you were supposed to show me your tits, your optionality was pushing you to nonsense arguments like "bitcoin is doomed" and "[http://trilema.com/2012/the-stockexchange-shareholders-on-welfare/?b=Wait%20until&e=TERRORISM#select][mp is in imminent
mp_en_viaje: get ready for a lot more "over usg objections" once Trilema opened the floodgates
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928938 << it exactly is. back in 2014. when what they ~should~have been doing was showing us their tits. and complete with "selling imaginary pets for bitcoin" and assorted "ima bring reality to my level, the alternative's too much work" bullshit.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:12:26 mp_en_viaje: com/2014/the-perfect-pitch/][point in case example].
mp_en_viaje: com/2014/the-perfect-pitch/][point in case example].
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 10:36:26 spyked: tru imaginar." which looks like the main issue: while scrolling on "fb feed" back in 2014, /me felt how he was becoming dumber.
spyked: tru imaginar." which looks like the main issue: while scrolling on "fb feed" back in 2014, /me felt how he was becoming dumber.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927179 << but THEY call it instinct. like they call education "rape" and like they call everything things. like the romanian morons call tjheir thing "a country", an unjustified audacity the zulus of last century did not express, and like any morons ever call things what they heard is good to call things. what
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925677 << The part that amazes me is just how much the retards' handshaking appears unchanged. No strong indications this is distinctly 2019 derping rather than 2014 derping
a111: Logged on 2019-07-29 07:00 mp_en_viaje: the principal problem of manhood is then how to negotiate aggressivity and violence, between the hammer of [trilema.com/2016/honor-societies-vs-respect-societies-or-how-the-disaster-of-commons-sunk-the-western-world/?b=really think&e=then#select][the winds] of doom
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925386 << no, actually, to an actual castle. he's just as on his way out as he was at time of last lordship list revision, and quite frankly the absolute last thing i want to see is noobs infected with whatever brain parasite that turned 2013-2014 mod6 into 2018-2019 mod6.
mp_en_viaje: the principal problem of manhood is then how to negotiate aggressivity and violence, between the hammer of [trilema.com/2016/honor-societies-vs-respect-societies-or-how-the-disaster-of-commons-sunk-the-western-world/?b=really think&e=then#select][the winds] of doom
mp_en_viaje: went through an entire article without reference to http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ which is fucken bizarre.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in "remember five years ago", http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/
mp_en_viaje: because obviously, webchumpatron problems, tryna plug the value leaks, they figure if they misrepresent wanna-be-platform.com as a sort inca, sitting mysterious and unreachable on the top, and then let the wanna-be-platform.com/random-dorks do the work, then thereby... who kn
asciilifeform: ( at least not on my opteron, on 2014+ theoretically could, but i dun buy those )
mp_en_viaje: (what happened was that 1. i was looking through search results for "daughter encounter", the why we'll not include as we can't regress this storytelling forever into endless past ; and then 2. ran into dude killed for being dude, which i suppose is kinda sad, but w/e, america rite ; and then 3. fell on "Take It For Daddy: A Rough an
mp_en_viaje: "If you intend to spend your life avoiding objectification, you by that fact and necessarily will spend your life avoiding culture, wisdom, power and respect." tsk. the sad result of that re-read being a growing conviction that as trilema grows larger, the quality of my references grows weaker. i never used http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-anjie-well-actually-let-me-do-anjie-while-you-watch/?b=If%20you%20in&e=respect#select as a reference point in an
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 07:35 mp_en_viaje: in other "optionality/failure" lulz, i'm re-reading http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-anjie-well-actually-let-me-do-anjie-while-you-watch/ because i linked it recently because i used a subpoint from it (the thing about STD gender disparity).
mp_en_viaje: in other "optionality/failure" lulz, i'm re-reading http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-anjie-well-actually-let-me-do-anjie-while-you-watch/ because i linked it recently because i used a subpoint from it (the thing about STD gender disparity).
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 19:55 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881489 << then, logically, it belongs read by the feedbot of the channel of your church. just because the http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/#selection-185.0-185.1138 problem doesn't mean you get to assuage your evident awareness of what a shithead your bf is by hanging out with the cool chicks and pretending to some sort of comunion. go, get the tards off the mud they've been packin
mp_en_viaje: fish shop without any fish does not need fish buyers who expett to get fish for any reason. does enough "trade" with "classic" "traditional" "typical" etc "customer" who merely talks about fish and fish buying. exactly like http://trilema.com/2014/business-whatever-that-may-mean/#selection-203.288-207.25
a111: Logged on 2014-08-25 03:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's valid. a) erdos doesn't get his guidance from youtube ; b) most people taking it will scrub.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in trilema lotto .
mp_en_viaje: then again, i can not name any program published after... uh i dunno, 2005 or so that i actually fucking use. a large part of the advantage in dealing with these idiots is still ye same old : nobody needs aything they "did" for anything. much like i have no use for "all the advances" in bitcoin (what, segwit ? bwahahaha) i also don't have any use for "all th
a111: Logged on 2016-07-02 04:34 mircea_popescu: so, strategically, we (as in, humans, people, we) are confronted with an adversary (ie, socialist state, usg, aliens, the devil incarnate, pure evil, etc) that predicates its relevancy upon targeted computing denial (see http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ ; and also http://trilema.com/2015/mika-epstein-aka-ipstenu-is-a-thoroughly-clueless-poser/ re the ddos "we won't fix" and so on )
mp_en_viaje: actually, i guess nothing like 2 bitcents, it ain't 2014 anymore.
asciilifeform: iirc mp_en_viaje actually has a circa-2014 snapshot hosted somewhere
mp_en_viaje: (the whole "power rangers" thing started with an event in 2013, when some usg agents masquerading as bitcoin developers (mike hearn, etc) wilfully introduced a bug which split the network while the other morons (wuile, maxwell, etc) failed to notice. the thing had to be undone through miner collu
spyked: and in other short updates, I'm just back from a trip to maramures. I now have cca 10G of photos to sift through and some documenting/ranting work to do, gotta add it to the list.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i recall this discussion back in the 2014 days, you were like "oh, still works for obscure error messages". stopped "working" even for that, huh.

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