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diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929501 - eulora's next phase awaits the new client basically; so yes, it's been quiet in game too for quite a while.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 21:31:25 asciilifeform: lobbes: tangentially -- any idea why #e seems to have fallen into disuse ? since i stood up logger, saw ~0 life there
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929434 << sword takes training to use this way, noob wrists get tired. i can't find now where i put the "two smgs, make sure you mow down everyone in your car then come out screaming and flailing armss down the tunnel with the rest of the muppets, let Inca sort you out"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 15:16:57 asciilifeform: for that matter, observe, some of the most picturesque 'postals' were -- with sword. (picture, katana, in crowded subway.)
mp_en_viaje: something like that, though. the one missing aspect of the manalone pushback is that he universally fails to meld back into the herd.
mp_en_viaje: that'd increase his terror impact immensely.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929437 << this is iffy. fuel-air bombs win over nato rounds (and most all other nato ornance), which is why russia picked htem as their doctrine, because they're less-worse in the context, not because they're unisersally good.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 15:19:57 asciilifeform: anyffin to keep the 'feel like a trader'(tm) tards from waking up to fact that pressure washer + petrol easily mows down 1000+ , while e.g. kalash into crowd, lucky if 100.
mp_en_viaje: the contexct being "an army", aka killing ~bureaucracy~.
mp_en_viaje: fi you don't have a bureaucracy, the kinetics of many-moving-hot-metal-bits still beats the thermodynamics of delta-energy.
mp_en_viaje: rifle is not bad for the purpose, especially if you get one with overpenetration. even pistols are ok. and if you take care of your ammo adequacy, armored police become preferred targets, let that zirconium burn their black innards.
snsabot: Logged on 2016-05-29 16:10:05 mircea_popescu: still, stuff like the raufoss mk211 is the exact pill for "oh, we're armored". orly ? well done, so the round won't blow clear through you! enjoy zirconium fire in your spleen!
mp_en_viaje: something like the venerable sa 25 will empty its magazine in 5 seconds. that means 40x 9x19mm dribblets flying through the air. if you use the specialized russian rounds, can has 600m/s / 750 J exit energy, enough to defeat cheapo "bulletproof" vests.
mp_en_viaje: in order to spray enough fuel to burn to death the same pile of spurious subhumanity, you'd need more than you can carry.
mp_en_viaje: we're not even talking mac10 or uzi or anything here.
mp_en_viaje: or, for that matter, the russky vytiaz
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929440 << no, actually, your state is bliss, finding yourself as you are a man whom nobody taught nonsense. that you don't have to first unlearn "my hoovercraft is fulla eels" is a grand boon.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 15:43:38 lobbes: asciilifeform: could you point me to some threads/reading re: this 'fuzzy-merge' concept? V is the only version-control patch system I've ever used, so I'm having trouble comparing it to the 'anti-models' (I've never used shithub, for e.g.).
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929441 << read about the nonsense later, for now you still risk it "snaps" into place.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 15:43:42 lobbes: I figure my own understanding could use some improvement as well
mp_en_viaje: https://archive.is/m7grP << someone write to the fellow invite him over plox ?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929489 << nope ; on the contrary, mp instructed harem to similarily invite. time for write-in campaign!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 19:17:00 asciilifeform: can go straight here, if mp dun object
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929491 << dude, totally, john hopkins' right over there. why don't you ask the man out, buy him a steak, see ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 19:19:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho this patient oughta go straight to mp's operating room, if he'll have him
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929501 << i've been travelling so not playing ; danielpbarron left for greener pastures in the intellectual desert ; diana working more playing less these days, same for mocky i suspect ; hanbot and nicole travelling with me, it's just... large potion of the userbase simultaneously quit, from a naive pov. from the connected pov ~everyone will be back, especially as new server / client are avail.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 21:31:25 asciilifeform: lobbes: tangentially -- any idea why #e seems to have fallen into disuse ? since i stood up logger, saw ~0 life there
mp_en_viaje: it's a sort of #trilema-goes-dark, of sorts, but longer on a smaller chan for heavier lifting.
mp_en_viaje: !!up hanbot_derpy
deedbot: hanbot_derpy voiced for 30 minutes.
mp_en_viaje: hey there.
hanbot_derpy: howdy, ty. just wanted to say i'ma write to the povey d00d, has a sort of pre-joe stack feel...
mp_en_viaje: he looks like 20 years younger.
hanbot_derpy: yeah, good for him for potentially wasting less time with the apparatus.
mp_en_viaje: in truth, the nonsense's way the fuck more obviously grating these days than in the 90s or 2000s.
mp_en_viaje: heck, the 90s passed by undetected, i had nfi as late as 1999 besides a vague, unanchored and inexpressible feeling "something's wrong"
mp_en_viaje: if you review period fiction, it's present in a majority of items, too. just as vague, unanchored... making it all retrospectively so fucking obvious.
hanbot_derpy: i wonder if that's an historical pattern, vague fiction - brink of hell.
mp_en_viaje: cancer starts as a dream.
mp_en_viaje: "However, the program becomes more complicated when the two copies of the base document are not identical. In these cases the patch program must do the best job it can in applying the " << motherfucker monkeys, how the fuck did this rank imbecile manage to make stupidity sound like "a challenge" ?
mp_en_viaje: this is the fuck they do all the fuck day long, ain't it. take something that should never be done, pretend like the doing is "more complicated" than the not doing through the transparent venue of applying cuntlogic, and so act like it's somehow heroic.
mp_en_viaje: it's not fucking heroic, it's fucking stupid.
mp_en_viaje: i can almost hear the cageworthy old woman impelling the nonsense, too, "oh, why don't you want to do $random-stupid-shit, ~are you too scared?!?!?!?~".
mp_en_viaje: it is ~ALWAYS~ harder to not do something stupid than to do it. which is why the whole discussion re povey above, too.
mp_en_viaje: then he uses https://neil.fraser.name/writing/patch/pattern-pp.png "patterns in pride and prejudice", because a) that ignominous dumb cunt is somehow to be referenced, in literature. AS FUCKING IF. and then, because code has the fuck anything to do with language, at all.
mp_en_viaje: diff is used on computer non-language, which is a beast of pattern.
mp_en_viaje: i'm done, Neil Fraser's a fucking moron.
mp_en_viaje: "Google engineer Neil Fraser, who works in the company's education department," with tards like that, no wonder google's not worth the lint in my pocket.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-18#1929520 << imho the correct historical comparison would be, rather, mcarthur's 'fire jobs', rather than modern-day item made for puncturing fortifications.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-18 09:07:42 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929437 << this is iffy. fuel-air bombs win over nato rounds (and most all other nato ornance), which is why russia picked htem as their doctrine, because they're less-worse in the context, not because they're unisersally good.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-18#1929516 << my understanding is that folx who choose swords, tend to be the ones who practiced with same
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-18 09:05:23 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929434 << sword takes training to use this way, noob wrists get tired. i can't find now where i put the "two smgs, make sure you mow down everyone in your car then come out screaming and flailing armss down the tunnel with the rest of the muppets, let Inca sort you out"
mp_en_viaje: the one utility for thermodynamic weaponry is discussed in http://trilema.com/2015/a-blast-from-the-past-or-the-molotov-cocktail-guide-this-is-how-you-win/ ; they're good for disrupting positioningof enemy
mp_en_viaje: they're not good for mass kill.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, from experience, that is not so. consider elliot, he didn't even fucking train.
asciilifeform: he used sword ?!
mp_en_viaje: he waved a handgun out of window
asciilifeform: i was speaking of the sword-in-subway folx
mp_en_viaje: the "samurai cuts down 500 enemies in one sitting" story describes people who did nothing else since age 11.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc record holder in usa to this day ( re total count ) was the 'happiland' d00d, where 80+ on 3 litres of petrol
mp_en_viaje: this is about as idiotic as saying "mother of gengis khan killed most of europe with one good hip thrust"
asciilifeform: (granted -- the victims did 99% of the work for him, by packing into ridiculous small space and stampeding )
mp_en_viaje: by all means, so what, train women to hipthrust ? the main ingredient there was the happiland social club, not the 3 liters of petrol.
asciilifeform: this is entirely tru. but such target not exactly rare.
mp_en_viaje: nor its finding exactly cheap.
mp_en_viaje: notice pizarro's success to date.
asciilifeform utterly fails to see the connection
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-18#1929551 << this i suspect is right on the money. consider the liquishit that was printed in the interwar years.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-18 09:51:47 hanbot_derpy: i wonder if that's an historical pattern, vague fiction - brink of hell.
mp_en_viaje: i guess it was a metaphore!
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, anyone happen to recall where the fuck i put in the log a line about how the problem with intelligent people is that they don't want mere solutions, but specifically solutions that rely on that intelligence.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-05-01#1806920 in random hits from ye logs
snsabot: Logged on 2018-05-01 03:43:31 mircea_popescu: fellow strikes me as intelligent in conversation, then i keep having somehow the exact sort of problems with him that i usually have with idiots : i have no fucking idea what's going on, and i have to twist arms to sorta find out, maybe.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it was in an old trilema piece, the one about 'sprezzatura'
mp_en_viaje: no ?!
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, http://trilema.com/2009/sprezzatura-o-problema-locala/ ?! where ?
asciilifeform: was translation iirc. where 'but anyone could parallel park using steering wheel! troo sport is to do it without wheel, said the sprezzaturist' or similar
mp_en_viaje: nfi where that is ;/
mp_en_viaje: and meanwhile progressed to also missing a line where i say "if you were born male, you're male still, irrespective of how you might've abused your body in the meanwhile".
mp_en_viaje: not in log, npot on trilema, vanished.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: that was in the "alice_m" thrd.
mp_en_viaje: oh was it ? so not in your logotron yet ?
asciilifeform: quite possib
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22alice_m%22 << look at that.
asciilifeform: the steering wheel, btw, found
mp_en_viaje: could it be alice somethingelse ?
asciilifeform: i was off re sprezz.
mp_en_viaje: o fuck me ty so very much!
asciilifeform: aaand here's the other one
snsabot: Logged on 2018-01-08 12:19:52 mircea_popescu: the claim "i am female" is fraudulent ; you are male and will die male. this is something decided at birth and unalterable.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, the footnote is very good, but NOT actually the item i was looking for ;/ which is, i can see it in my mind'seye, specifically a line in the lgo saying that the problem with intelligent people is that they want to put that intelligence to use. the context was something about dying in the trenches.
mp_en_viaje: now, the item you found is quite related, conceptually, but still, discusses women's equivalent issue.
mp_en_viaje: which doesn't serve me here.
asciilifeform: hrm this was defo mentioned. but so far defies shovel.
mp_en_viaje: and the other one is exactly the same situation : very good and clearly related, but not the exact item, which i am positive included the strings "you are male still" "abused your body"
asciilifeform: that one pretty certain was a 'tits service' candidate who turned out to be some d00d, compl. w/ stubble
mp_en_viaje: i thought that was the alice character
asciilifeform: it was the 1 that ended up with vendetta against ben_vulpes somehow
asciilifeform: can't seem to recall, grr, what it called itself
asciilifeform: 90% sure it was this character.
asciilifeform bbl:meat
mp_en_viaje: hm.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-borderline-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Borderline. Adnotated.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell lobbes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jlW5I/?raw=true
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: In updates, Povey says he might stop by.
feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/znc2tmsr_etckvvpatch/ << lobbesblog -- znc2...atch
lobbes: ^ asciilifeform
lobbesbot: lobbes: Sent 4 hours and 18 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jlW5I/?raw=true
lobbes: !Qlater tell BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hCbR8/?raw=true
lobbesbot: lobbes: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Looks like you targeted the wrong key
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: Sent 20 minutes ago: <lobbes> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hCbR8/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: lobbesbot: false alarm
BingoBoingo: tried decrypting the wrong block

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