asciilifeform goes to read mp re how germany sux.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945643 << bought, btw, if wasn't clear from thrd, it's goin' in the switch.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 16:39:39 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945531 << not bad.
asciilifeform: wb trinque
trinque: good evening asciilifeform
lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 20 hours and 8 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> Were you wanting a blog set up on the 'anyserver' as well?
trinque: BingoBoingo: no thanks, I'm going to take the opportunity to simplify my server situation a bit and consolidate.
trinque: stood up another bouncer now, so I should be more reachable.
trinque goes to eat log
asciilifeform: trinque: quick q for when you have 5m : do you know how to 'bless' usb stick into bootability ? for some reason stuck on this ( machine is known to boot stix, boots the heathen gentoo 'live' thing. but not mine, tho is set up exactly like the hdd from earlier test w/ diana_coman )
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-10-13#1945268 << nah, what I did was replaced with libressl, which is only infinitesimally less evil
trinque: asciilifeform: hm, boot flag on partition's set?
trinque: also mbr and not gpt?
asciilifeform: has to be mbr ?
trinque: iirc gpt incurs efi bullshit to be bootable
trinque: can't recall what. w/e it was, I did it on the two-headed server in uy to use the larger disks
trinque: BingoBoingo: do you have a disk cremation plan btw?
asciilifeform: trinque: i'ma retry it w/ mbr, i dun have a >2tb usb keychain that'd justify gpt and dun expect anybody else does
asciilifeform: ( simply was hoping to use same recipe for 'infecting' usb stix as for normal installs, is all )
asciilifeform: trinque: currently this is for asciilifeform's pre-cuntoo gentoo, but i expect the method can be later transplanted to cuntoo.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945710 << was, fwiw, set, it's set in the published recipe.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 20:30:50 trinque: asciilifeform: hm, boot flag on partition's set?
BingoBoingo: trinque: ty for letting me know.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: btw interesting similarities in that dc thing to your 'cowork'. there's toilets, showers, kitchens, workshops w/ antistatic desks etc.
BingoBoingo: trinque: I do not have a concrete cremation plan yet. Magnesium blocks are not as ubiquitous here as in old country. Will be hitting up large 'big box' type operation tomorrow shopping packing supplies and will check their outdoors section.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hit the sunday market and buy 1 of those crates of old photoflash cubes i saw there, if found. otherwise what you said.
BingoBoingo: trinque: As it stands the plan is destructively decap and then abrade chips before hammering.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: AH, ty.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: whichever method of execution is used, make sure whole thing caught on camera. will be likbez for others.
BingoBoingo: I focused my search too much Sunday on the camping firestarter blocks.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol, dun let this become a life-consuming project
asciilifeform: oughta be pretty quick thing.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll try not to let this consume too much time, but the destructive abrasive decapping of at least some of the NAND should be informative. Should be able to jump from 80 grit to take the plastic off to the diamond bits to ruin the lithography.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if the shithole is so impoverished that ~nuffin can be had, an oxypropane torch will work just as well.
asciilifeform: over here they're fiddibux. look in orc shoppe.
asciilifeform: ( i assume BingoBoingo has enuff sense not to need reminder to do it under open sky, far from nosy parkers etc , is obv. )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The logistics of that will be the last thing worked out.
BingoBoingo this week at the feria ended up walking out with just some arepas and one of those nylon web belts with the friction buckle
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: meanwhile , kindergarten arithm: in machine rack (22u) 1 hole occupied by patch panel (1u), power strip (1u), then will need 1u moar of mains sockets , 1u for switch, 1u for shelf (entrance router, apu's) , 1u asciilifeform will reserve for own www box, leaving 16 holes ; in 1 , rk plant will live. 15 for the courageous among l1 .
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: can you side mount more sockets?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they dun seem to have side holes, but may be able to 'cheat' and bolt to rear of shelf. if it actually comes that i have a packed booth.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect that will fill pipe and mains (10 ampere) before i physically fill halftower.
asciilifeform: the full tower comes with 10x (not misprint) pipe, 1GB.
asciilifeform: guaranteed, supposedly, for 24/7 at full tilt.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: other nice thing, apparently 'if dun like -- can spit and leave'. month-to-month subscription.
BingoBoingo: That's nice
asciilifeform: after latech, was pleasant surprise.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i even asked 'where is the display/kbd cart', it was wheeled to me to inspect.
asciilifeform: cart and hydraulic crane is shared, 1 of each per hall, there's 2 halls.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i inquired whether dc is primary line of biz in that shop. seems that it is not, they bolt together and sell 1 of those 'disk array' things, petabyte ea. there's a factory floor of sorts.
BingoBoingo: Interesting. Sound like when they went shopping they were looking at buildings and the datacenter already happened to be there.
asciilifeform: nao, i do not yet know whether these people are Officially 'ixp'. but appears that serve a similar function, several regional isp are tied together there, and they can process bgpism, service client-owned ip real estate etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dc originally belonged to brit telecom co.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in Uruguay: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/presidenta-del-inisa-propuso-servicio-militar-obligatorio-a-los-18-anos-20191015171111
asciilifeform: lol, draft card for BingoBoingo ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Too old. Not (yet) a citizen.
BingoBoingo: And the military pay here is... Abysmal. By Uruguay standards. Director of the Hospital Militar makes 70,000 pesos a month, because that what his rank gets him. 35+ pesos to the dollar...
asciilifeform: seems ~on-par with e.g. ru.
asciilifeform: ( in usa also mil pay is nuffin to brag about. full colonel makes ~same as programmer. )
BingoBoingo: Privates/sailors get around 10,000 pesos a month which is below the minimum for any other activity in the country at 15,000 pesos
asciilifeform: lol sailors, 3-boat navy
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well the Armada is also the coast guard. Lots of small boat for that. Also a Naval Infantry that does the motorcycle escort thing.
BingoBoingo: How they keep folks in though is they have a relatively lavish and unfunded "caja militar" for retirement
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 1 more lul re dc expedition -- saw same thing as in uy, some folx have old pentium towers in'ere , plugged into white konsoomer mains strips. apparently this not only in orcistan.
asciilifeform: 'how does that fella clean that bottom 'dell' in there?' 'ask him, not us'
BingoBoingo: Well, legacy systems
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: last detail, ips are 2.34 $ ea. ( unless e.g. mp lends piece of ip . mp do you want ? what wouldja like in exchange ? ) and 2 come 'phree' w/ the basic halftower.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 16:25:46 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-14#1945465 << i'd rather delegate wholesale than create a bits-and-pieces madness.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform asked 'what if i want to buy own'. was shown jawdropping lulz where arin wants not only 'get on wait list' but 1000+ / yr in 'organizational maintenance fee' and +150/yr for each contig. block maintained etc.
asciilifeform: 'they also want justification' 'this means what?' 'that you actually use' 'how they verify?' 'that they ping' 'mmok'
asciilifeform: 'grandfathered-in' owners apparently pay ~0.
asciilifeform: ( i dun expect mp is having to pay, having bought in 'golden age' )
asciilifeform: lacking a working time machine, asciilifeform did not hurry to buy ip tract, just yet.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: LACNIC does something similar, but LACNIC headquarters is also ~8 km away from chair for some awful reason.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for thread-completeness, they 'if you want'em RIGHT NAO' 'we can hook you up with broker' 'howmuch' '6k for /24'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: AHA, I just peaked. Some /19s for sale apparently
asciilifeform: sumthing, somewhere, BingoBoingo , is always! for sale. i went to buy 1st small cage, tho, not whole planetoid. planetoid maybe -- later.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed.
asciilifeform: 1st to test that a cage in world's most batshit jurisdiction is actually livable.
asciilifeform purchased metered pdu for cage an' other misc. related necessities.
lobbes: in logotronics news, I discovered a tiny bug in bot.py's debug toggle (of all places). the "if irc_dbg == 1" should be "if int(irc_dbg) == 1"
lobbes: (i.e. it wasn't parsing the "1" from the config, as it was reading it as a string. Thus couldn't properly toggle to debug mode.)
lobbes: Small fix, so I'll probably release a vpatch tomorrow for it. (about to fall asleep right now)
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945691 << you are completely fucked in the head ; and it's evidently not something anyone can fix.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 19:07:46 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945630 << to answer this good q : 'braindamaged' search used search engines ; less-braindamaged turned out to be to walk local biz directories in search of anyffin appearing to offer colo.
mp_en_viaje: listen to this inept shit : "Currently I will not mention the vendor by name here, as I do not yet know the quality of the service"
mp_en_viaje: your article has no LENGTHY EXPLANATION of the important fucking subject, "how the fuck i unfucked my head and stopped using google because google does nothing and here's what does and why and wherefore and what it means"
mp_en_viaje: you just make a throwaway side comment in log WHEN PROMPTED
mp_en_viaje: what the fuck is wrong with you, that your entire life must always hang on the most idiotic, immaterially irrelevant and utterly unrelated conditionals ?
mp_en_viaje: why thr fuck can't you just live ? why can't you be ? why does it always have to hang on whether the planets allign and the socks discolor into the right hue of pink and the tree leaves fall into your drink at the right time ?
mp_en_viaje: can't you just fucking do ANY THING without five hand holdings and nine proddings and what the fuck already.
mp_en_viaje: you've supposedly been reading each trilema article just as it came off the presses for YEARS, yet you're still doing the exact fucking opposite, both of what you see, of what you claim to like, and what you know to work.
mp_en_viaje: is this what, you got a hole in your head, are you reverso-doomed ?
mp_en_viaje: put the damn name in there, if nothing else it'll help you evaluate them. put everything in there. all the time. IT IS WHAT IT IS FOR.
mp_en_viaje: god gave you endless paper and you for your sins and to your detriment aim to economize it ? IT IS FOR WRITING UPON, WRITE UPON IT
mp_en_viaje: be explicit.
mp_en_viaje: i lose nothing for http://trilema.com/2019/how-germany-got-itself-banned-and-western-europe-altogether-isnt-all-that-far-behind/?b=Ram&e=cunts#select ; you lose the world for http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3478#selection-5.65-5.166
mp_en_viaje: i would be much surprised if indeed a full ONE PERCENT of the dependencies you perceive/imagine/hallucinate are actual bona fide legitimate dependencies. you live your life in the http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/ style ; naming some outfit doesn't depend on whether they're good, it depends on whether they're important, which they are already since you drove there. explaining what you did and why you did
mp_en_viaje: it is important because look at all the fucking morons who apparent;y can't do it. etcetera, stop hanging everything on unrelated nothing, it's the death of you.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945694 >> motherfucker.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 19:19:48 asciilifeform: ^ article will disappoint folx who wanted to see the coffee, board rooms, other 'imponade', these can show later if anyone gives a shit. so far just the goods.
mp_en_viaje: you mentioned them. TWICE -- once because ~they were important enough to show~ and then ONCE MORE to excuse the not showing. just how fucked in the head are you, srsly.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945725 << fwiw i had dozens of sticks hammered into inexistence. you want a 3-5kg hammer, the first 2-3 hits expose the chips no matter what, the plasticovers fly like insect elitrae. then the chips become dust in 2-3 more hits, can count 3-5 sticks dead / minute in qualified hammerer hands.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 21:47:28 BingoBoingo: trinque: As it stands the plan is destructively decap and then abrade chips before hammering.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945732 << fire makes too much fumes. srsly now, hammer one for your information, then see.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 21:57:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if the shithole is so impoverished that ~nuffin can be had, an oxypropane torch will work just as well.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945751 << really sounds like a pretty good deal. i'm sure without asking you are still imbecile, eschewed my suggrstion of buying guy lunch.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 22:58:52 asciilifeform: nao, i do not yet know whether these people are Officially 'ixp'. but appears that serve a similar function, several regional isp are tied together there, and they can process bgpism, service client-owned ip real estate etc
mp_en_viaje: then will systematically eschew building relationships for 1-2-3y however long this lasts, through combination of above-examined "dependopotamacy" in your head, natural shyness and paranoia, and assorted other warts ; then when they implode it'll be pizarro all over again, no options and no clue.
mp_en_viaje: because why the fuck like some man you meet or buy a steak for some man you like or anything in the vein of life.
mp_en_viaje: gotta wait for hilary's second coming first, and THEN
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945764 << and, i suppose, "pics if anyone asks hurr durr" yes ? oh, good.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 23:05:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 1 more lul re dc expedition -- saw same thing as in uy, some folx have old pentium towers in'ere , plugged into white konsoomer mains strips. apparently this not only in orcistan.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945767 << i would like you to get all the disparate c blocks he's willing to sell you ; and to stop being what you call "conservative" and which only can be called being an idiot.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 23:12:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: last detail, ips are 2.34 $ ea. ( unless e.g. mp lends piece of ip . mp do you want ? what wouldja like in exchange ? ) and 2 come 'phree' w/ the basic halftower.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945774 << that's ok, my prague hotel across the street from radio free europe / radio liberty / etc hq
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 23:17:08 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: LACNIC does something similar, but LACNIC headquarters is also ~8 km away from chair for some awful reason.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, ima take the sluts for breakfast.
mp_en_viaje: o no wait, i mean, ima go check the third decimal of my laser-temperature measurer, if it happens to be nine ima go walk up and down the hallway for exactly 4 minutes 44 seconds, if i count exactly 395 paces THEN ima tqake the sluts for breakfast.
mp_en_viaje: otherwise they can just fucking starve.
mp_en_viaje: so im sitting there in the buffet breakfast area, with two girls standing on either side ready to serve, enjoying my tomcat perch, shooting gazes at all the other dudes, "oh, joe, no suit ?" "oh moe, where's YOUR slavegirls ?" until everyone's just eating with their head bent to the degree their face and their egg are contiguous media.
mp_en_viaje: go me.
mp_en_viaje: TWO valets, WITH tits. a standard never before deployed in the history of feudalism. a duke might, MAYBE, get two pages, but that'd be just about it.
mp_en_viaje: GO ME.
mp_en_viaje: in other sads, ~all of the czech republic has a massive connectivity issue ; no fucking internet in prague's worth the mention, my remote-over-telco links are just as bad because it's not tcp/ip level but actually telco level, and for some reason satcover here is shit right no
mp_en_viaje: nfi wtf, but horribru connectivity every which way, you'd think i moved to alaska.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945788 << i copied directly from diana_coman's 'no free advertising for new park until at least ~tested~' . ordinarily would have immediately named... wai no flame for diana_coman's piece ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 04:25:30 mp_en_viaje: listen to this inept shit : "Currently I will not mention the vendor by name here, as I do not yet know the quality of the service"
asciilifeform: think, suppose i brag about 'ooh i leased a rack, such great doors and coffees' and then week later not plugged in. or entirely scamola.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-14 22:01:35 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it aint 'properly' small tho. seems to be owned by some conglomerate. 'coloco'.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945804 << i'ma be goin' there ~daily in short order, will have all the photographies and minute-by-minute writeups anyone can stomach. atm trying to actually equip the cage, remember that it has to be done w/ hands, and the irons purchased. i dun have slaves to do it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 04:37:03 mp_en_viaje: you mentioned them. TWICE -- once because ~they were important enough to show~ and then ONCE MORE to excuse the not showing. just how fucked in the head are you, srsly.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945809 << lunch actually set for when pick up keys. and asciilifeform never 1nce had a landlord who wouldn't spend evening with him , or 7y later wouldn't beg to stay .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 04:43:05 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945751 << really sounds like a pretty good deal. i'm sure without asking you are still imbecile, eschewed my suggrstion of buying guy lunch.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945811 << unlike piz, i'ma not only cultivate this 1 fella, and personally, but intend to find a hot spare. cuz they actually exist. and yes will chronicle how unearthed. atm occupied w/ actually having what to go in that 1st cage when it goes live.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 04:43:50 mp_en_viaje: then will systematically eschew building relationships for 1-2-3y however long this lasts, through combination of above-examined "dependopotamacy" in your head, natural shyness and paranoia, and assorted other warts ; then when they implode it'll be pizarro all over again, no options and no clue.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945816 << in that shop, they dun ~sell~ blocks, but lease by the single ip. what was offered , is to connect with broker who sells. i inquired, min. purchase is /24 from their broker, at 6k usd. imho oughta comparison-shop before shelling out, price seemed astronomical ( am i rube ? always 6k ? )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 04:46:56 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945767 << i would like you to get all the disparate c blocks he's willing to sell you ; and to stop being what you call "conservative" and which only can be called being an idiot.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945831 - uhm, let me cite from footnote 1: "I can't really give their name since they don't yet have an identity really, seeing how they don't have anybody with a registered key"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 10:09:39 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945788 << i copied directly from diana_coman's 'no free advertising for new park until at least ~tested~' . ordinarily would have immediately named... wai no flame for diana_coman's piece ?
diana_coman: ie no identity, not "not enough testing"; and I promptly added their name as soon as maxim registered the key.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the way i read it, it was on acct of both 'not yet key' and 'not yet known whether worx'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: not to mention, yest. diana_coman did not say 'idjit, why not named vendor immediately' ? why waited for mp to barf ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: dunno if that footnote sentence can be any clearer really; and re ^ uhmm, what??
diana_coman: asciilifeform: fwiw yes, reading it I had this moment "wtf doesn't he name them" but no, I don't *always* shout, lol.
asciilifeform: ok on reread , seems that i posted init. chronicle after diana_coman already asleep. so fair point.
asciilifeform: i'ma amend the article.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: anyway, since you are asking for it: what's with this "oh, but X also did it !!!" approach? it's unpleasantly reminiscent of primary school not to say worse.
asciilifeform amended orig '1st hour' chronicle piece w/ name of vendor, per mp and diana_coman's criticism.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suppose is what i get for cribbing from people w/out thinking.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma ask the crew if they'd like to be personally pictured in the next phototour, also. they had some strange fixation re 'if you sublease space, plz dun use our brand', so left'em out of the pic.
asciilifeform: ( they were in branded livery )
diana_coman: asciilifeform: why not invite the main contact to meet in town out of office hours, what
diana_coman: he'll be out of livery so no brand too, plus can talk like normal people, can take picture etc
asciilifeform: diana_coman: friday. and right, i expect he'll be in civ clothes.
asciilifeform: exactly as you said.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: his assistant apparently reads my www. him also.
diana_coman: ha; so invite him to come on irc too, in #a or in #o if you prefer, what's the problem
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i fully intend to attempt to turn the 2 into 'people' (vs 'horse') but would like to avoid having'em stampede away immediately like your various vendors galloped. ( will just as readily 'ride as horse' if must, the bloody rack is so cheap as 'almost free', i've been paying almost half of that sum for the retarded hoster where my www is currently )
diana_coman: asciilifeform: this is why I said invite them to irc rather than directly ask them to register key, lol; but sure, it's your show entirely
asciilifeform: diana_coman: so far only had <2h w/em, and largely occupied w/ formalities.
diana_coman: fwiw data centres here will rent lockable quarter/half/full racks from ~240, 350, 600 gbp, respectively; the saddest part being anyway the fact that they are still all quite same regimented style otherwise as far as I can see.
asciilifeform: that sounds peculiarly costly. do these at least come with Gb/s ?
asciilifeform: wb mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fair cop btw. i amended the article.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, good for you. and bear it in mind, you know ? there's nothing you can possibly say you'll regret later. the regrets always from not saying.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yer right tho. i can always 'un-advertise''em laters, if the thing's a dud.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: usually they do, yes; and willing to eat ddos or so they claim
mp_en_viaje: in other news, ima spend the long weekend in budapest, after which ill be in prague all next week, if someone feels like dropping by the hotel's on me.
diana_coman: the one hotel in prague? lolz
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i was fwiw shown a room fulla round-the-clock fiddlers who supposedly handle ddos.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, precisely ; and even if you're scammed, or anything else. what, so you were scammed, who's gonna hold it against ~you~. as long as you behave rationally documentation's your friend. often, your only friend.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: is jurov alive ? iirc he's in prague
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, just about, actually. i swear to god, this place is something else, wonderful night life, accomodation starvation.
mp_en_viaje: oh is he ? yo jurov
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: entirely so. and i'ma chronicle the thing properly, get the photo-shy people into the photos if at all possible.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 600gbp for Gb/s and full tower is only 1.5x what 'coloco' asks for same. probably inescapable given the expense of errything brit, and not necessarily bad deal if it's a cage that can get to with own hands. may be worth 2nd look
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945842 << at some point it was a few bux for lifetime, coming to like maybe 1k for cblock (256 ips nominally in a c block)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 10:20:58 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945816 << in that shop, they dun ~sell~ blocks, but lease by the single ip. what was offered , is to connect with broker who sells. i inquired, min. purchase is /24 from their broker, at 6k usd. imho oughta comparison-shop before shelling out, price seemed astronomical ( am i rube ? always 6k ? )
mp_en_viaje: but i suspect this discussion is a lot like "is bitcoin worth it". if you can get one, in the sense of, yours, you want one. if you already have one not necessarily, but if you already have 0 then yes necessarily.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: apparently arin put in 'maintenance fees' and various fascism for new buyers.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 23:14:30 asciilifeform: asciilifeform asked 'what if i want to buy own'. was shown jawdropping lulz where arin wants not only 'get on wait list' but 1000+ / yr in 'organizational maintenance fee' and +150/yr for each contig. block maintained etc.
mp_en_viaje: idea is to buy an "old" thing somehow.
asciilifeform: i'ma have to get the word from horse's mouth tho, and haggle directly.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: supposedly can get to it with own hands, yes (or possibly someone else using severed hand since "key + biometric")
diana_coman will bbl
mp_en_viaje: most serious outfits have dedicated ip wizard / greybeard, because it's arcana by now.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, traditional method is people buy the shell of co with reg and naught else.
mp_en_viaje: there's other alternatives and etc, it's srsly a whole cant.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: seems to be how 'coloco' acquired their.
mp_en_viaje: i expect
asciilifeform: ate corpse of british telecom co.
mp_en_viaje: the one point i'm making here is that this is worth having if one's serious about their own ontology.
mp_en_viaje: hence the 0-1 bitcoin comparison.
asciilifeform: it's defo worth having. and i'd like to buy a quantity, but 1st to investigate whether even possible w/out selling organs.
mp_en_viaje: leave your mark in this world. kill some of the boys born the same as year as you. hurt some of the girls. make a dent.
asciilifeform: ( even if i'd dropped immediately that 6k on the table, apparently takes weeks, rather than 'RIGHT NAO' , so will have to start with certain # of plebian leased ips . )
mp_en_viaje: yeah, there's no rush.
asciilifeform: (speaking as almost complete ignoramus re subj) : mp_en_viaje do you know how 'well-behaved' is arin ? i.e. do they routinely confiscate ip blox from 'undesirables' the way the dns people do ?
asciilifeform: ( cuz if not : where do their auction-block ips come from ? i was told 'ipv4 is full' etc )
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945892 << here btw also 'tea ceremonies' w/ fingerprint doors etc. they dun even need 'severed hand', there's a well-documented process using piece of sausage and gelatin etc. it's a theatrical furniture, these .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 11:00:42 diana_coman: asciilifeform: supposedly can get to it with own hands, yes (or possibly someone else using severed hand since "key + biometric")
asciilifeform: here they even had 'face reader' etc. stage props. i did not find it interesting, considering who it is who actually steals boxes in practice, none of these do a lick of good (or harm, really) afaik.
asciilifeform: ...fwiw i've never 1nce heard of anyone other than landlord ( either at behest of officious snoops or on own initiative ) pinching a racked box.
mp_en_viaje: fucking czech internets holy shit.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945906 << i don't specifically know ; there's precedent saying old owners actually own the numbers in question which so far has been upheld
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 11:06:29 asciilifeform: (speaking as almost complete ignoramus re subj) : mp_en_viaje do you know how 'well-behaved' is arin ? i.e. do they routinely confiscate ip blox from 'undesirables' the way the dns people do ?
mp_en_viaje: might eventually reverse, all it takes is one senate wank.
mp_en_viaje: item in question (from NSF General Counsel Lawrence Rudolph ) : NSF transferred a Âthing of valueÂ to the awardee under the NSF-NSI Cooperative Agreement, and that awardee in turn gave it to you.
mp_en_viaje: The NSF has never had a cooperative agreement, or any other agreement, with ARIN or any other similarly situated entity. In short, NSF does not believe that ARIN, or for that matter any other organization, could retroactively affect property and rights distributed to you (or any other recipient) by awardee NSI under its Cooperative Agreement with the National Science Foundation.
mp_en_viaje: pretty sure i have the whole thing somewhere, could fish it out and upload if you want.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, john curran & co whined long and hard about it, and will continue to do so until arin dissolved.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: ty, making sand with a 5lb hammer sounds like the right thing. Also fun.
mp_en_viaje: cheap and easy, why bother with complex
BingoBoingo: Right. Also fast and sand spreads well.
mp_en_viaje: i did say 3-5kg as those are all i ever tried ; but a ladies' 5lb version prolly just as good, w=mv^2 after all
mp_en_viaje: in other horrors, i'm sitting here watching this other box literally cycle through interfaces. NOTHING WORKS. every 3-5 mins, reconnects to somethingelse.
mp_en_viaje: it's like the whole country's on dial-up, howthe fuck could they botch comms so badly these people.
BingoBoingo: I'll probably see what the 12 ouncer I flew in does outa curiosity.
BingoBoingo: Apparently ARIN on occasion gets pissy about the IPv4 brokers http://qntra.net/2019/05/violence-today-modern-democracy-bringing-misery-to-indonesia-arin-iran-and-bolton-watch/
mp_en_viaje: o woot qntra agains
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, arin's bidniss is to get pissy, in fact
mp_en_viaje: they're like the eu parliament, kiddy/toy "institution" for no purpose than the having
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Still have to start producing new qntras, but indeed lives
asciilifeform: wb qntra !
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945916 << this is approx what asciilifeform expected ( wai would 1 usg committee be magically different from others in this respect )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 11:23:19 mp_en_viaje: might eventually reverse, all it takes is one senate wank.
asciilifeform: the 1 thing, i suspect, that keeps the show going, is the reich's desire to prevent e.g. ru, cn, from forming own 'arin' and properly splitting off.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. similar to what kept the 'swift' organization pretending to neutrality, until recent yrs , as i understand it )
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945928 >> interestingly, linked piece paints a somewhat cheaper picture than earlier thrd :
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-16 11:35:35 BingoBoingo: Apparently ARIN on occasion gets pissy about the IPv4 brokers http://qntra.net/2019/05/violence-today-modern-democracy-bringing-misery-to-indonesia-arin-iran-and-bolton-watch/
asciilifeform: 'Despite their current market value of between $13 and $19 per IP addresses, ARIN continues to provide IP addresses to its "members" for no direct cost, a holdover from the early days of the internet when IP allocation was literally a free-for-all. Depending on the size of a company, you pay ARIN an annual membership fee that starts at just $250. Members then pay between $100 and $500 for an address block with an annual maintenance f
asciilifeform: ee of $150 per block.'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, it is a moving situation.
asciilifeform: then again asciilifeform was told 'fee went up very recently', will have to investigate.
asciilifeform: 'Officially, companies are not allowed to sell their IP addresses but in practice that rule is widely flouted by peddling them through brokers and then putting a transfer through ARIN's systems. ARIN is, of course, aware of the black market in addresses, but decided, after long debate, not to change the fundamental way it distributes and shifts them. It does, however, scrutinize transfers, and in this case an error in one of Golestan
asciilifeform: 's transfer requests caused ARIN to take a closer look.'
asciilifeform: pretty great, you buy, and then mebbe later they 'oops, this wasn't legit'.
asciilifeform: sounds moar like e.g. usa real estate, than btc.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you mentioned rk ; i've prepared an rk for you, using same type of ssd as prev. lemme know if you want a different type. it will be installed as soon as i get keyz to the magick door and have the entrance router configged (it arrives, loox like, on fri. also)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you'd like an exact image copy of your old rk, we can work with BingoBoingo , could gpg . otherwise will be 'virginal' as described in my 'gentoo for rk' cookbook.
asciilifeform still not calculated what to charge for these, and must do so quickly. i'ma give folx month 'test drive' tho, given the untestedness of the whole orchestra .
asciilifeform: will guarantee that will cost less than previously, however. they dun need to be flown across whole planet anymoar..
diana_coman: asciilifeform: an exact image copy of my piz rk would be great (saving the reinstall of all sorts)
diana_coman: tbh it did its blog-host job perfectly fine so far
asciilifeform: aite, let's ask BingoBoingo to dd if=/dev/thatstick | gzip > diana_coman.img.gz and then gpg to asciilifeform . i'ma modify it strictly as required to sit down on new ip and naught else.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform diana_coman: Aite, I'll put it on the list.
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo . i purchased exact same ssd stick as used prior, so oughta sit down cleanly.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: thank you!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: copy the sd also ( they oughta be standard, but iirc diana_coman may have modded the kernel, and i'd like it carried over guaranteed )
asciilifeform: in re 'when' : if coloco folx told the troof re 'key on friday', i expect oughta have this in by mon.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Getting the sd will require re-opening the conversation with the Latecho folks.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not essential, then will put standard asciilifeform-rk kernel , and correct if necessary.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's your current war plan re that circus tho ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm thinking I propose we sign some text to end the contract by mutual consent, this leaves open the opportunity to pursue damages for the breaches unless they start negotiating some compensation. At this point though I'm inclined to just get the stitches attaching my scrotum to them cut, but if you really want me to pursue damages I can try that but it will require as MP pointed out... time in to Uruguay to continue
BingoBoingo: pushing people, places, and things.
BingoBoingo: That and picking a date to get the rest of the stuff out.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you were gonna get an estimate from the abogato, neh ? re feasibility/times/costs.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as discussed prev., if latech won't 'amicable' yer gonna need 1 anyway. that, or parachute.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The one affiliated with the accountant has been busy with some sort of other litigation, and cleaning up the other things has slowed the search for alternatives.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They have been silent, presumably sweating since Friday.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when init stages of cleanup op done, this oughta be 1st thing to do imho.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've got a small pile of contact information to churn through. Challenge so far has been carving out concrete time to take conversations further than gathering contacts.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun expect it is possible to get serious damages outta the latech corpse. but if you botch this basic step entirely, i expect uy will become a very hot bath for BingoBoingo .
asciilifeform: mod6 not yet spoken, but asciilifeform 100% opposes any further movement of any kinda moneys ~into~ latech from piggy , on any pretext whatsoever.
BingoBoingo: I concur with no further money into their piggy bank.
asciilifeform: it's 'out' or nuffin.
asciilifeform: to lawyer -- maybe. if mod6 concurs. to get BingoBoingo out ? any day of week, and i promised to personally extract him if needed. but to latech, no pasaran.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: so, as i understand, you have 2wks for to figure this item out.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944995 << I informed then in writing that they are in breach. Maxi's weasle response and their silence suggests they are aware expecting to receive notice of a suit.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 21:50:30 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, nah, it reads like "legal told us we'll prolly end up paying through the nose and we told them we know better an' now gonna prove it! PEOPLE DO ANYTHING WE TELL THEM TO!!!"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: likely
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm 100% in favour, ftr, of suit. but before can use the piggy , must get prelim data and for mod6 to concur .
asciilifeform: the piggy aint the only resource, btw, being wasted, if there's 0 chance of a win, there is also BingoBoingo's time .
BingoBoingo: I'm thinking something like: I propose we mutually end this contract. Here's a draft termination agreement for your consideration: [very basic mutual termination letter notably omitting any waiver holding them harmless for their breaches while including a waiver of all claims they may have/invent against me] and ask them what language and terms they want to include in the agreement to avoid "[http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10
BingoBoingo: -11#1944982][pursue the matter through the legal system, so as to bring you as close to never being able to perpetuate such in the future as at all possible]"
BingoBoingo: And remind them: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944993
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 21:49:27 BingoBoingo: The remaining months of the contract, if they'd performed would have grossed for them maybe enough for them to get an ancient VW "Kombi" in the local automotive market that may or may not run. Maxi's "we want to work in an amicable way to finish this contract" sounds a lot like they want to say "please pay us to term even though we have become non-performant" while at the same time betraying the lack of balls and/or justification for
asciilifeform: i'd comment, but this is squarely a q for actual abogado, and/or mp , quite above asciilifeform's grade .
BingoBoingo: But they can sweat a few more days.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, they have less time on their clock than I do.
BingoBoingo: And whatever "Force Majure" they try to claim with respect to internet weather can't indemnify them against their agents saying stupid and dishonest things.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd imagine so; but given mp's reminder that 'yer in a ~lawless orcistan' ' what asciilifeform imagines ' aint worth the electrons, i suspect
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If this were a truly lawless orcistan there'd be more pichis squatting in poured concrete structures and less camping outdoors
asciilifeform: not all pichis squat in concrete, apparently some (pretend-to) run dc's...
BingoBoingo: The civil and commercial codes were produced in a time when this country still had men and read thusly.
asciilifeform: this is where i admit that i've nfi what sorta judges, etc. in that orcistan, and what e.g. latech is counting on when goes around scamming BingoBoingos. ( inaction of victim ? or connivance of judge ? or what is their krysha ? etc )
BingoBoingo: They seem to be counting on resignation and illiteracy.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if that's genuinely ~errything~ they've going for'em, then BingoBoingo oughta win.
BingoBoingo: The defensive reply from Friday suggests that is all. The man the put in charge of communicating with me has been neither candid nor honest. They also had the great misfortune of my walking in last Monday to see servers cooking, an incident that indicates they are not in fact running a datacenter by any recognized standard.
BingoBoingo: Or definition of datacenter.
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mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6 not yet spoken, but asciilifeform 100% opposes any further movement of any kinda moneys ~into~ latech from piggy , on any pretext whatsoever. << Yeah, no more money for them.
mod6: I feel like the best we can hope for here is to tear up the remaining part of the contract, which, iirc, continues through the end of Feb. 2020.
mod6: Which, may be useful to have representation for such a discussion with the tards.
BingoBoingo: http://bingology.net/2019/10/16/reasonable-lamp-setup-for-mp-wp-on-centos-6-and-anyserver-terms-of-use/ << bvt hanbot nicoleci peterl Please note that anyserver is not the place to put IRC bouncers
BingoBoingo: At least not without askign