mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, is it hard to make timezone settable from www ? then can get free faux cross of page boundaries
mircea_popescu: (imho minor point of little utility ; i mistly ask out of curiosity)
mircea_popescu: re forth, so what, make another starflight ?
mircea_popescu: and yes, multiline select is useful, put it in
mircea_popescu: in other ends-of-line, utc (maker of elevators) is merging its aerospace division with raytheon.
mircea_popescu: in simple words, the F35 failure is bringing about a winter the likes of which was never seen ; previous achievement of lisp monkeys nowhere within 1%
mircea_popescu: continuing trend set with "civil air managed to lose early 2010s the combined profits realised since man discovered flight" (and then continued by obama's ending of nasa to redirect the money no more properly african goals), white man is actually getting out of aerospace altogether.
mircea_popescu: Let halves of aeroplanes turn overhead, their smoking, broken cockpits dripping "it is done"...
mircea_popescu: there was, of course, no supersonic civil flight since the concorde/tu144 retirements, so i suppose we could use 1970s as a high water mark. but if anyone's having kids these days, i believe by the time they're our age their only interaction with flight will be in the hanging-on-ropes format.
mircea_popescu: perhaps best illustration of the point : UTC hq from 1975 UTC hq from 2015 (ex otis elevator hq)
mircea_popescu: in other illustrations, https://ufprzuhk9mggpbx4-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Screech_Owl_named_Fod_found_on_USS_Harry_S._Truman_CVN_75-1024x768.jpg
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in highlights : the sr71 was probably man's greatest achievement wrt flight. item carried no flares/countermeasures, because its defense if fired upon was to... accelerate, and outrun the missile. mach 3 capable, flying at 20-25km, never shot down, its parts fit so loosely on the ground (because of the significant temperature variation it operated under, between relatively cold on the ground and very hot in super
mircea_popescu: sonic flight) that its fucking tanks leaked fuel on takeoff ~as a design feature~.
mircea_popescu: did 1km/s too
mircea_popescu: (great story re fabrication, too. item is 80%+ titanium, can't be washed in tap water, can't be touched with cadmium-plated tools, its story is totally worth reading from an 'achievement of human mechanical engineering' perspective.)
mircea_popescu: oh, and of course it burns synthetic fuel, rather than distillate. so yes, chemical engineering too.
mircea_popescu: possibly the "last great story"
mircea_popescu: 'find out how a loose assemblage of rare metal parts flew on insecticide', how about that for a title.
mircea_popescu: (and, while at it, how the first analog computers were developed -- no, it wasn't bomb calculators, it was jet engine air intake anti-unstarters for applications such as this guy.)
mircea_popescu: speaking of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-07-31#1925848 , old woman cheney's moans about the sr-71's expensiveness should probably be mentioned also. inconsequential moron, which is how he escaped mention then, but instrumental in the edifying of idiocy-us, the successor state to vhs-america.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-31 13:15:34 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925836 << this is quite factual ; the old women in this are mccain, [trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-antipsychotics-overprescribed-to-kids-adnotated/][grassley] etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, here's a logger webpage weird : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log correctly displays no future date,
mircea_popescu: ''← 2019-08-09" ; but http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09 displays the empty 10th link, "← 2019-08-08 | 2019-08-10 →"
mircea_popescu: it's pisicological disconcerting!
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i'm quite happy with jfw 's "Actually "mod_lisp" is perhaps a misnomer; it could be viewed as a generic IPC interface that comes with a Lisp implementation of the server side." comment.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma look re the date
mircea_popescu: apache is in many parts a better system (in the sense of "system" used in "systems design) than the post-poettering and especially post-linus kernels ; mod_lisp may be a decent way to get lisp running in practice
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927076 << doable, i'ma put in eventually
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 02:27:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, is it hard to make timezone settable from www ? then can get free faux cross of page boundaries
mircea_popescu: incredible, i never had that atrocious outrage ambered before ?!
mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform is it practical to have an archival of links it sees bolted on to bot ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: of pastes and txt links , phf-style, is planned. of general html liquishit, a la arch.is -- not planned, it is serious open problem
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927087 << at one time i had a framed portrait (gift) hanging on wall. 1 of most beautiful machines ever built.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 06:09:42 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in highlights : the sr71 was probably man's greatest achievement wrt flight. item carried no flares/countermeasures, because its defense if fired upon was to... accelerate, and outrun the missile. mach 3 capable, flying at 20-25km, never shot down, its parts fit so loosely on the ground (because of the significant temperature variation it operated under, between relatively cold on the ground and very hot in super
asciilifeform: and k. johnson, 'the man who saw air', took it from drawing to flight in iirc <1yr !
asciilifeform: whereas the idjit brass cancelled it and ~ordered the tooling destroyed~
mircea_popescu: large undergirth of the whole "republican-democrat" debate being pepsicans. most of the manginas involved were republicans.
asciilifeform: iirc it was axed as a 'lisp machine', cost like 100 ordinary jets. and they thought 'world's most golden toilet', the time of f35 , that ate ~three decades~ in promisetronic phase and now flying clothes iron... had not come yet
asciilifeform: ( meanwhile in su they quietly built mach5+ machine... )
asciilifeform: btw the operator manual of sr71 was published in '90s, prolly on the net somewhere to this day, was interesting read
mircea_popescu: but yes, the sort of thing involved there, such as "listen sonny, ever heard of Schlieren flow visualisation ? no ? look here, this is supersonic jet in flight!" are the primary dirvers of intelligent adolescents even putting in the work to become adult engieners in the first fuckin gplace
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, cheney's stupid cunt of a daughter inherited his wyoming ealrdom.
asciilifeform had roommate at uni, who got degree in building jets. but then realized -- no serious work. now astronomer..
asciilifeform: fella wanted to fly personally, got license even. but never afaik saved enuff for plane...
asciilifeform: last letter from him was years ago, he moved to a http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926670 , asked advice re choice of shotgun
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:02:39 mp_en_viaje: 3) the whole of it was always hanging out with the cool people. i don't mean, "cool", as in, swag. i mean cool as in david lynch quote above, dork bought a 12 room house for $3500 in th worst gangland he could find for his wife and newborn kid and lived there, "the fear was palpable"
mircea_popescu: WRONG model. you don't want to grow cunts into "careerwomen" ; you want to grow boys into engineers.
mircea_popescu: if there's ten, ten million or no dumb cunts sitting around their holy tree or whatever the fuck chanting their spurious nonsense it makes no fucking difference whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: obviously from THEIR pov if there isn't any such thing as a spear to fucking poke them until they submit (yes, the SPEAR was the original society-changer, turned human tribes from matriarchy to patriarchy because finally there was an efficient way to make the dumb cunts stfu with their dumb nonsense) all the better ; but theirs isn't a legitimate pov.
mircea_popescu: theirs is a pov which MUST BE REPRESSED.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, re the sr being expensive : it was not particularly expensive, even by the day's standards. it was however besed by the dumb cunt lobby who, for instance, WOULD NOT permit it get upgraded with a data link, SPECIFOCALLY so they could claim "useless -- data only avsilable on landing"
mircea_popescu: same bunch of morons who ALSO pushed through very expensive but otherwise mostly pointless sensor upgrade -- also specifically so as to claiom "costly"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, it fell victim to the idjit internal wars b/w diff 'competing' golden toilet houses
mircea_popescu: but yes, the cunt lobby wants the tools destroyed, because the only thing that can oppose "let
mircea_popescu: s sit in a circle and pick lice out of each other" is tooling.
asciilifeform: same folx ordered all apollo kit destroyed.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927117 << amusingly, the sr was built entirely out of titanium exfiltrated from a remarkably cluess soviet union (large portion of the "private companies" in the afore-mentioned germany-switzerland ***trade was this) ; nobody else had the rutile sands.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 09:36:22 asciilifeform: ( meanwhile in su they quietly built mach5+ machine... )
snsabot: Logged on 2017-11-14 17:19:44 mircea_popescu: via switzerland or directly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re upstack , and yer gonna 'luvv' this -- i have the date link thing on operating table right nao, and loox like bug in... 'flask'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re titanium -- they still sell it. (quasi-monopoly. but -- and common misconception -- it aint because of the sands, at least not directly; but rather because ru has the only seriously developed infrastructure for ti metallurgy )
diana_coman: lmao; I puzzled when first saw there "flask" - but then again, not sure one can bake www-anything quickly without importing any mess
mircea_popescu: in other same "burn down tools" : what unites the here discussed sr71 and the other excellent us plane ever built, the warthhog ?
snsabot: Logged on 2018-08-29 12:10:45 mircea_popescu: pro tip : the thompson's a passible concrete cutter. it comes from the same mental era as http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=warthog ; made by the same people for the same reasons, abandoned by the same cucks for the same reasons.
diana_coman had no idea what flask was and barely got an idea after looking it up when it popped up in stan's logger
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'flask' is the py people's equiv. of 'hunchentoot'. eats the @app.route('/log/<chan>/<date>') etc sugars , does the 'html madlibs' thing on the 'templates' (a la 'cl-who') etc
mircea_popescu: a: they both had this projected faint light line around the cockpit representing the true horizon. set so faint as to disappear in direct vision, it nevertheless informed the (more sensitive) peripheral vision, preventing accidents wonderfully!
mircea_popescu: every time alf goes on about "mind enhancing tools" the pvhd is my mental model.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: picked it up when wrote phuctor, in 2013, 'on drumskin' in literally a day
mircea_popescu: pretty much ONLY KNOWN SYSTEM where truthfully and genuinely, the promise of "drugs" or "tools" or whatever is actually fullfilled.
mircea_popescu: i'll be really happy to hear of another.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is interesting in fact to read about the era of flight before 'instruments'. lots and lotsa corpses on acct of 'seat of pants' as sole instrument
mircea_popescu: and no, of course "not needed", "do we still have to DO that". because why the fuck learn from the few and far between successes of that sorry failed republic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, aha. as it happens human inner ear uniquely unfit for flight.
mircea_popescu: gets "hallucinations"
asciilifeform: not only inner ear, but just about whole of flight instruction is about beating the 'intuitive' behaviours out of the student.
asciilifeform: consider why 'spin' was at one pt considered 100% fatal
mircea_popescu: much like what makes a half decent soldier, or generally a half decent human being,
asciilifeform: ( 'natural' reactions of untaught flyer, ~amplify~ spin )
mircea_popescu: and yes, indeed their are -- her fucking guardian angels. never the fuck mine, holy shit burn the whole thing down.
asciilifeform: lol do i even want to load that link...
mircea_popescu: load, load, why not. perfectly anti-reality nonsense, crafted to appeal to a certain sort of moron.
mircea_popescu: telling a girl she's complete is like telling a pig it's a sparrow.
asciilifeform read; loox like 'gargauni' on parade
asciilifeform: will throw in hanbot's http://thewhet.net/2013/09/your-feelings-are-out-to-get-you/ , nao these opposite charges can meet and produce gamma burst!1
diana_coman: ugh; I still call it misnomer though; "growing" like a tree without any internal work still doesn't mean that everyone's just as hollow
diana_coman: to link it to the previous thread, it seems to me quite similar to saying that "instinct" of noob pilot is shit, therefore instinct of *any* pilot, experience be damned, is just as shit; I seriously doubt this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'date' thing fixed. did find that clock on the box has drifted by + ~40min (it dun 'ntp'ism or any such.) suppose ought to fix (and get then phf-style odd timestamps) or leave alone ?
asciilifeform: btw possibly i mentioned, but the historic timestamps are all over the place
asciilifeform: when wrote 1st draft of logotron, i made mistake of sorting ~by time~, ended up with soup displayed
asciilifeform: (no one admitted to noticing, when put up 1st draft as demo w/ old logs. but i noticed as soon as started reading vintage logs through it)
asciilifeform: seems like phf also occasionally went 'hey clock drifted by 40min, let's move it'
asciilifeform: this is almost enuff to give asciilifeform itch to install rubidium clock at piz
asciilifeform: ( naturally wont do anyffin for the historic timestamps, which are apparently rubbish )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i dun see any disagreement -- the 'instinct' developed by trained pilot is very diff item from 'instinct' 'developed' by rube over years of being rube.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-03-24 12:14:29 mircea_popescu: right. rather in fact like respiration -- everyone has it, and ALL THE TIME ; it takes al schwartz to blow rather than inhale when organometallic fireball's going on.
diana_coman: well yes, but only the second should be called instinct, the first is at best some preprogrammed/random reaction, dunno (and same for feelings really; out of nothing, there's no feelings, only preprogrammed or random reactions)
diana_coman: "first" -> noob above; "second" - training + experience
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the set of reactions that killed ww1 pilots in spins are properly called 'instinct', they're reflexes which make sense when land creature e.g. slips on ice and moves to right itself
diana_coman: in other words, it's no surprise walkers on soil have in fact absolutely no instinct for flying quickly high up in the air;
asciilifeform: simply dun work in air
asciilifeform: ( the other bit, is that vestibular 'stone' aint anyffin like a perfect gyro, it has substantial 'stickiness' )
asciilifeform: pretty much all folx working in 'untypical' environ, must rely on instruments and specifically learn to ignore naive reflex ; not only pilots, but e.g. sea divers
asciilifeform: diana_coman: do you like to shoot ? recall when noob, and had to learn not to flinch from recoil ?
asciilifeform: there's this 'anticipatory twitch' most folx start with
diana_coman: asciilifeform: dunno, if you define instinct as "automated path", then it can be acquired even for "untypical environ" and essentially the only thing is when one says "instinct" generically like that since it's not "one" but many and the whole thing is to know /be able to choose the right one
asciilifeform: rright, can be acquired, but is higher brain function
diana_coman: asciilifeform: sadly I never shot guns, no; (shot some bow and arrow but other than that, kills were of a more lower class countryside style rather than lord of the mannor)
asciilifeform: aa, it's an example i always use with usa folx, they usually go 'aha'
asciilifeform: possibly memory of how learned bicycle as a child also worx
diana_coman: heh, I learnt to cycle when I was...~24 :|
diana_coman: but because of that, I know precisely what it took - a very lucid learning, let's say; not "intuitive", no
asciilifeform: there's a set of 'think instead of reflex' that folx learn when start to drive auto, also
asciilifeform: it is moar or less universal thing
asciilifeform: just about all types of transport moar complicated than pair of boots, require.
diana_coman: but fwiw I think I know what you mean; the "gut instinct" is not a generally-good thing; it's good at what it's good and doesn't translate well to dissimilar environment basically
diana_coman: funnily enough re driving I had the precise opposite trouble: had to trust a bit more *some*O!!
diana_coman: uhm, some reflex too
asciilifeform: it's 'firmware call', but the firmware is 1e6 y.o., and in certain cases outta date..
diana_coman: the way I see it, it's simply shortcut obtained through experience; hence my statement above that it's not and cannot be out of nothing just like that; even what seems as "out of nothing" is just...forgot when learnt rather than truly out of nothing
diana_coman: and hence the trouble with different environment - if different enough, the previous experience is worse than useless because actively hinders
asciilifeform: there's an infamous legend from '80s from some comp center where a vt100 was found to be mysteriously defective, no one could log in. electricals found to be 100% proper, no one could say why. until someone noticed that the table it sat on was too low, and folx ended up ~looking at keys~ instead of keying 'blind'. and 2 letters were swapped...
asciilifeform: ( this evokes laffs today, but vt100 cost what ~toyota cost )
asciilifeform: ^ diana_coman et al
asciilifeform: ( how to multiline ? example in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1927070 . )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 23:35:24 asciilifeform: in other noose, mircea_popescu : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09?ss=1927022&se=1927024#1927022
diana_coman is still looking for "where to host bot, wtf"
asciilifeform: i'ma add in coming days the 'raw line export' thing. but then ideally to get back in peh
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i've been thinking of getting a box in same ru place mircea_popescu once used
asciilifeform: ( to move asciilifeform's www )
asciilifeform: i dun recall hearing any serious barf. ( and i think somebody still has a trb noad there )
asciilifeform: trinque had some box in asia, iirc also, but that's where deedbot disconnected ~daily , iirc
asciilifeform: i'd rather not spend megabux on heathen hosters, but to put ~all~ in 1 cage is to tempt fate
diana_coman: asciilifeform: my node is in singapore and it's been running perfectly fine
diana_coman: but I don't really want the logger there too
asciilifeform: lessee what mircea_popescu remembers re the ru people (supposing i didn't dream it)
diana_coman: eh, the way I see it is more of an opportunity to look around again and try perhaps some datacenters
asciilifeform: diana_coman: atm i'm somewhat curious whether the logotron is even reproducible
asciilifeform: (or only worx b/c asciilifeform has a particular ancient gentoo by happenstance)
diana_coman: after all, it's a logger, not something terribly sensitive
asciilifeform: diana_coman: a stolen logbot could be used to piss some garbage unto the chan while folx sleep, but that's more or less the max damage
diana_coman: and easily spotted + cleaned anyway, yes.
asciilifeform: the moar serious concern is time of operator, if it regularly barfs, will have to either go in and spoon-feed it or throw out
diana_coman: sure; but: throw out, obv.
asciilifeform: i suspect that this is what gave various folx the phobia of 'make logger'
diana_coman will bbl
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suppose the 'max pain' zone is when barfs, but not often enuff to trigger 'obv., let's throw out' heh
asciilifeform also bbl, teatime
asciilifeform: oh hey guesswat, mircea_popescu , http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-11-30#1744899 nao 404 !
snsabot: Logged on 2017-11-30 17:56:47 mircea_popescu: https://www.tailhook.net/AVSLANG.htm << better list than the hacker lexicon, in purely lexical terms, and an evident source of the pencildick's envious, unreferenced cultural appropriation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, incidentally, thee up/down references showing eg http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927117 was referenced later were very useful ; can put in ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 09:36:22 asciilifeform: ( meanwhile in su they quietly built mach5+ machine... )
mircea_popescu: we utterly must have a logotron archiver, no way around it. hey lobbes is your still functional ? spyked , were you at some point downloading the zips or was it him ?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927140 << there's also that, ti is a whore, contaminates easier than chocolate bar in the hands of a 5yo
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:03:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re titanium -- they still sell it. (quasi-monopoly. but -- and common misconception -- it aint because of the sands, at least not directly; but rather because ru has the only seriously developed infrastructure for ti metallurgy )
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927168 << yet the way in which experienced pilot gets to have instinct worth a shit is by ~not~ worshipping instinct as such.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:20:38 diana_coman: to link it to the previous thread, it seems to me quite similar to saying that "instinct" of noob pilot is shit, therefore instinct of *any* pilot, experience be damned, is just as shit; I seriously doubt this.
mircea_popescu: and this precisely mirrors female becoming : the way girl grows into ~woman~ is by NOT following her girlidiocy, but speciffically repressing it.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927169 << i honestly have nfi what to say. time is beyond my comprehension.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:24:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'date' thing fixed. did find that clock on the box has drifted by + ~40min (it dun 'ntp'ism or any such.) suppose ought to fix (and get then phf-style odd timestamps) or leave alone ?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927179 << but THEY call it instinct. like they call education "rape" and like they call everything things. like the romanian morons call tjheir thing "a country", an unjustified audacity the zulus of last century did not express, and like any morons ever call things what they heard is good to call things. what
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:34:23 diana_coman: well yes, but only the second should be called instinct, the first is at best some preprogrammed/random reaction, dunno (and same for feelings really; out of nothing, there's no feelings, only preprogrammed or random reactions)
mircea_popescu: do you propose, sending out patrols to shoot in the gut and leave for dead any pantsuit saying "instinct" incorrectly ?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927184 << this is the larger part ; also has fatigue and also has a list of "magical transformations" where it reduces/ablates the tree in surprising ways (really, informed by bias resulting from "land creature").
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:37:23 asciilifeform: ( the other bit, is that vestibular 'stone' aint anyffin like a perfect gyro, it has substantial 'stickiness' )
snsabot: Logged on 2018-12-19 12:09:38 mircea_popescu: natural language, however, ablates the trees for "convenience" so to speak, ie, uses commonly what's known in computing as sparse trees.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927200 << very common in ro women, for some reason (perhaps to do with learning late).
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:49:59 diana_coman: funnily enough re driving I had the precise opposite trouble: had to trust a bit more *some*O!!
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927224 << i also don't see the advantage in concentrating. wtf would be the benefit of having trilema and logger down at same time ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 11:27:21 diana_coman: eh, the way I see it is more of an opportunity to look around again and try perhaps some datacenters
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/08/arkancide-today-jeffery-epstein-dead-in-jail-two-weeks-after-being-put-on-suicide-watch-hours-after-pantsuit-names-released/ << Qntra -- Arkancide Today: Jeffery Epstein Dead In Jail Two Weeks After Being Put On Suicide Watch, Hours After Pantsuit Names Released
mp_en_viaje: o look at that, north argentina old whore following in the footsteps of south argentina old whore. who could have predicted.
mp_en_viaje: sic transit, i guess Ima send the hilarity care packages in the hole, cigs wrapped in pantsuits.
mp_en_viaje: in other news, got a little moar pipe for trilema, turns out can only do so much of that, want to or not. hopefully this alleviates, wtf.
BingoBoingo: Irony of Ironies is that North Argentina Pantsuit more likely to see a jail cell. South Argentina just might elect theirs President again.
BingoBoingo was about to report the wonderful photo in http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-we-pretend-to-be-miners-fo-real/ missing
mp_en_viaje: o dude, i can almost taste that thing
mp_en_viaje: truth be told, chet took the secret of that perfection with her ; never did manage to reproduce.
BingoBoingo: I've been on a chili kick recently. Will probably photo blog something along those lines by the end of the month.
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927241 << my process was indeed downloading the archived zips. I still have the data, though the archiver iron has been disconnected during my physical move to a saner location. This weekend I will get that iron back online and archiving
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 14:23:48 mircea_popescu: we utterly must have a logotron archiver, no way around it. hey lobbes is your still functional ? spyked , were you at some point downloading the zips or was it him ?
lobbes: right now, though, I'ma get back to getting that znc-eater.py complete
lobbes: and here is the 'bare-bones' completed znc-eater.py : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3r1oH/?raw=true
lobbes: still needs some tweaking (e.g. it barfs on unicode) and more testing before genesis.
lobbes: However, it eats a dir full of ZNC logs, sorts in chronological order, puts it all into one file with proper unix epoch timestamps.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927238 << the back/fwd links a la phf ? defo will go in (i'm aiming for 100% feature parity) but some time after the raw-export and similar knobs aimed to make redundant-backup installs easier
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 14:22:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, incidentally, thee up/down references showing eg http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927117 was referenced later were very useful ; can put in ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927273 << i'ma let lobbes fix so actually eats 100%. lobbes if you get stuck lemme know
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 20:31:03 lobbes: still needs some tweaking (e.g. it barfs on unicode) and more testing before genesis.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927248 << i'ma move that clock some time no one is awake. and in general prolly worth to adjust it regularly (monthly?) nao that there's a log on that box.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 14:38:41 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927169 << i honestly have nfi what to say. time is beyond my comprehension.
asciilifeform: imho monotonicity moar important in the timestamp than strict alignment w/ whatever zone.
asciilifeform: ( the log lines sit down monotonically always. the only use currently for the timestamp is the calendarization cut into days )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927258 << going by historic behaviour of various bots -- dc worth 2 shits is apparently rare
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 14:47:20 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927224 << i also don't see the advantage in concentrating. wtf would be the benefit of having trilema and logger down at same time ?
asciilifeform: logger prolly a notbad test.