#trilema | 2019-08-15

billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-14#1928713 << gave it a quick read, this should be enough for me to continue with writing the tests. i might have questions later as i make progress, will leave comments on the post if so

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 13:27:55 mp_en_viaje: billymg, http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-a-blog-complete-spec-inside/

mp_en_viaje: !!up diana_alt

deedbot: diana_alt voiced for 30 minutes.

mp_en_viaje: billymg, works. amusingly enough, as far as i currently know that list is ~completr~. can use it to cut against!

mp_en_viaje: i might end up discovering you cut too much, but what's the big deal, original still remains, can be easily fixed, and we learn thingsfor the money.

mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in continuing lulz, http://www.suck-o.com/

mp_en_viaje: fucking endearing : "Most users ever online was 15 on 05 Jul 2010, 11:30" ; meanwhile Design and Program a Computer.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: link gives only login prompt

mp_en_viaje: lmao tards.

mp_en_viaje: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fZkJM/?raw=true << dump

asciilifeform: loox like a schoolboy site of the '90s style ( 'learn haxxing! phreaking!' ) and dusty.

asciilifeform: lemme guess, it came to mp_en_viaje in a spam ?

asciilifeform: meanwhile - in lulzmoments from neighbouring castles

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 12:11:56 shrysr: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-15#1000191 That was a disgustingly fleshed out, but weirdly instructive story which made me laugh (a bit) and cringe (a lot). I'm not sure if I'll eat anything for awhile, but I get what you meant. That being said, - I can't think of any non-docker solution to a reproducible environment other than creating a 'frozen version', preferably under version

asciilifeform: lobbes, mp_en_viaje , et al : strangely, having problem reproducing the unibarf discovered by lobbes . pasting the text from the barf samples into test chan, doesn't produce the expected barf, it gets eaten normally

asciilifeform: lobbes: would it be difficult to park lobbesbot temporarily in #asciilifeform-test ?

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/08/british-gibraltar-releases-iranian-tanker-over-us-objections/ << Qntra -- British Gibraltar Releases Iranian Tanker Over US Objections

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/08/six-cops-attempting-to-invade-philadelphia-home-shot-by-lone-defender/ << Qntra -- Six Cops Attempting To Invade Philadelphia Home Shot By Lone Defender

asciilifeform: lol!! sumbody give this fella 'order of lenin'

BingoBoingo: It amazes me how many "Anti-socialist" alt-alt rags are pointedly NOT highlighting Black American Patriot Maurice Hill as a warrior against the state

asciilifeform: whoknows, maybe ashamed, fella apparently not master marksman, all the targets lived ?

BingoBoingo: Well, wounded more expensive than the dead

asciilifeform: i picture would depend on where wounded

BingoBoingo: Well, at least one in head

BingoBoingo: Also the dead don't need 100 USD aspirins etc

asciilifeform: tru. ( tho iirc they get widow pensions, etc. also adding up to pretty penny )

BingoBoingo: Can Philadelphia cops afford marriage while living to leave widows?

asciilifeform: previous newswanks suggest that they can.

BingoBoingo: It's also not like the wounded don't get disability pensions, often concurrent with ongoing paycheck.

asciilifeform: this is a point.

BingoBoingo: Kinda why Dependapotomi pick the targets they do.

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928943 << parked

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 14:06:22 asciilifeform: lobbes: would it be difficult to park lobbesbot temporarily in #asciilifeform-test ?

asciilifeform: ty lobbes !

BingoBoingo: !Xbuy 283mn 26 2835 WFF, Wire Only

auctionbot: Buy order # 1052 created by BingoBoingo: 2835 WFF, Wire Only Opening: 283mn ecu Ending: 2019-08-16 09:10:50.807867 UTC (25 hours)

BingoBoingo: !Xbuy 51mn 26 500 WFF, WU esta bien

auctionbot: Buy order # 1053 created by BingoBoingo: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Opening: 51mn ecu Ending: 2019-08-16 09:10:59.183107 UTC (25 hours)

asciilifeform: meanwhile, update re unitardation -- phf's pill doesn't cure -- decoder successfully falls back to 'latin-1', if set up as described, and dun barf ; but ~encoder~ barfs in pg ( cur.execute(query, args) )

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 07:42:01 phf: i even explain how to do it in python http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546421

asciilifeform: atm it aint even clear to asciilifeform that it is possible to store >1 encoding in a given pg

asciilifeform: or for that matter why a x = foo.decode('latin-1') even can result in a x that later chokes pg when x.encode('utf-8') is put into a sqlism

asciilifeform: or, moreover, whythefuck pg even gives half a shit re how the txt is encoded.

asciilifeform: infuriating liquishit, this entire stack.

asciilifeform: dug on www, found 9000+ folx with same barf, but nuffin resembling a pill

asciilifeform: before anyone suggests 'store'em in pg as bins, not text' -- nope, cuz you can't index for text search on bins

asciilifeform: current variant (w/ phf's non-curative decode-fallback).

asciilifeform: burned entire evening on this, and is no closer to a ~lead~ to a solution (not even speaking of actual solution) than before.

asciilifeform: ~pasting~ e.g. '2000000 ÷ (154 × 1088 × 1.25) = 9.549274255x' dun trigger the barfolade, btw. cuz on civilized box, lobbes's txt is ALREADY utf8 when yer viewing it. only triggering lobbes's echo , where it pisses the malcoded garbage straight into irc, triggers.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 22:26:42 lobbes: and for good measure, the original list with loglines

asciilifeform: why the fuck is this even a good idea ? to support arbitrary liquishit in logs ? imho the Right Thing would be 'if you want yer logs imported or echoed, put'em into utf8 or stuff up arse' .

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928976 << see, worx

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 21:16:03 asciilifeform: ~pasting~ e.g. '2000000 ÷ (154 × 1088 × 1.25) = 9.549274255x' dun trigger the barfolade, btw. cuz on civilized box, lobbes's txt is ALREADY utf8 when yer viewing it. only triggering lobbes's echo , where it pisses the malcoded garbage straight into irc, triggers.

asciilifeform: 'I mean literally, the guy's from Washitistan, they write things with their own excrement there, and the Unicode Foundation introduced actual excrement in the standard so now whenever someone asks for the networking code in your project they are delivered physical faeces on cardboard. About fifty eight acres of it. Where would you like this put, sir ?' (tm)(r)(mp)

asciilifeform: unless someone supplies, in next coupla days, a simple AND WORKING pill, i'ma do this : anything coming into the bot that dun decode cleanly as utf8, will have the offending chars (i.e. any with 8th bit set) replaced with that glyph that depicts a steaming pile of shit.

asciilifeform: and whoever doesn't like it, can write own logger. and if mp_en_viaje wants to tear off my epaulettes and make own logger in cobol, he can.

asciilifeform: there exist, incidentally, at least a dozen liquishit encodings that aint either ascii or utf8. and SOMEBODY's terminal supports'em. but imho the fact that fleanode actually eats and relays these, is a bug! of fleanode.

snsabot: Logged on 2018-02-02 11:23:06 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.

asciilifeform: grudgingly i built in utf8 so that can say кто ты по жизни and τὰ γὰρ ὀψώνια τῆς ἁμαρτίας θάνατος etc. but , for all that has been said re utf8, it is at least supported by postgres . whereas i am not about to spend rest of life trying to write 'dwim ai' to eat erry possible microshit encoding that someone may have at whatever point excreted .

asciilifeform: let the people who smeared the 58 acres of shit on cardboard, stuffed it into their modem, and sent it to fleanode, clean it up.

asciilifeform: and if someone wants to write 100,000 lines of shitython to write 'dwim', let him fucking scroll to the bottom of the log page, click 'get source', grab the fucking vtree, and write.

asciilifeform: btw just as i thought, lobbes's searchtron fails if fed the liquishit in question.

asciilifeform: bbl,meat

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928982 << I personally dun have any issue with this, but that is just me. Any yeah, not like someone down the line can't make a vpatch for a pill

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-15 21:27:38 asciilifeform: unless someone supplies, in next coupla days, a simple AND WORKING pill, i'ma do this : anything coming into the bot that dun decode cleanly as utf8, will have the offending chars (i.e. any with 8th bit set) replaced with that glyph that depicts a steaming pile of shit.

lobbes: In either case, I'll be spending some time this evening working on genesis-ing my own current #e logotron. If anything just for posterity