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(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-24 13:17:34 asciilifeform: discovered many yrs ago that you can 'troll' the verm
in simply by writ
ing
fits-
in-
head proggies that actually work and use 0 'trend' garbage. even if not accompanied by any human-readable political statement. is why even sumth
ing like trb will ~never be mentioned
in the heathen pits (
in any context other than 'them terrorists..')
(ossasepia) diana_coman: billymg: the "why"
in the shortest and calmest manner I can muster: because it's not needed; it's an additional
headache without any bene
fits and by
headache I mean - a whole pile of *additional* stuff to ma
inta
in (that flask th
ing surely was mentioned
in the logs but note that it requires
in turn a whole set of ???, look at it sometime); the lack of permanence ultimately because look at it, if I stop logg
ing a channel, I'm stuck ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: iirc from yesterday there was the idea of hav
ing a clear statement of the problem you are solv
ing there, so hopefully it
fits in your outl
ine above; other than that sure, go a
head and write it so that there's someth
ing to look at and talk about; there's not all that much to say just on an outl
ine at that level.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if the answer given there matches *reality*, regardless of which of the two possible answers it is, you can go a
head and build on it and you stand a chance to succeed at the direction thus chosen precisely because it
fits reality; if however the answer given does not match, you'll go the way that is ~guaranteed to result
in failure as it's halluc
inated rather than real.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: (trilema) 2018-01-17 asciilifeform: th
ing is, a sparkism is not a substitute for a '
fits-
in-
head'-correct rout
ine.
(trilema) ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:25:42 mp_en_viaje: be very explicit because it greatly bene
fits you for us to know how you're fucked
in the
head. like the doctor gotta know if you've been fuck
ing any sk
inny girls
in beh
ind-the-bar alleys.
(trilema) mp_en_viaje: be very explicit because it greatly bene
fits you for us to know how you're fucked
in the
head. like the doctor gotta know if you've been fuck
ing any sk
inny girls
in beh
ind-the-bar alleys.
(ossasepia) jfw: For example, I'd been undervalu
ing my own time when it came to otherwise
interest
ing th
ings (also known as the "ooh, sh
iny!" problem); also, by not hav
ing been writ
ing all along, there's a lot of miss
ing context
in the blog setup story - I did X because I had Y, because I'd earlier chosen to Z and so on until the article no longer
fits in head
(trilema) BingoBoingo returned from overdue grocery run. Peaked at headlines and feels incredibly handicapped with current Turkey/US/NATO/Trump lolz happening and Qntra dark. Going to the basement to check pipe. Sky and forecast are hinting rain so any extraction further extraction tonight is going to be limited to rails and cables/whatever fits under raincover
(trilema) snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-19 05:47:32 mircea_popescu: try
ing to meta-smart, pseudoth
ink
ing
in your dumb
head "if i were a literary character and these th
ings happened to me, what'd it mean about the script" will not only fail to deliver any useful predictions (
in the sense that it'll work EXACTLY as well as a RNG-choice, to perfectly fuck you over), but it will actually prevent you from deriv
ing any bene
fits from the circumstance you're NOT a fuck
ing literary character.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: try
ing to meta-smart, pseudoth
ink
ing
in your dumb
head "if i were a literary character and these th
ings happened to me, what'd it mean about the script" will not only fail to deliver any useful predictions (
in the sense that it'll work EXACTLY as well as a RNG-choice, to perfectly fuck you over), but it will actually prevent you from deriv
ing any bene
fits from the circumstance you're NOT a fuck
ing literary character.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 23:09 asciilifeform:
incidentally, even a very brief look at the 1801 item confirms the troof of
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896836 -- th
ing defo a
int a 'and here is where the ameri-crystal does x' , it's a quite '
fits-
in-
head' object , very evidently produced from page-long spec of the orig
instruction set
(trilema) spyked: re ffi,
in that older research I've tried to avoid fast-runn
ing code
in favour of
fits-
in-
head, but I'll make sure to double-check
in this iteration. the only www-related cffi dependency I recall was
in cl+ssl, which I will remove on sight before genesis
(trilema) bvt: OriansJ
in #bootstrappable has a notion of hygiene (at least basic, ie groks
fits-
in-
head), and still works on the stage0; i had no
interaction with janneke (mes author) yet, so can't make claims about him. he does make some noise
in the #bootstrappable and #guix
(trilema) verisimilitude: Sure; my system I have
in m
ind to make as perfect as I can certa
inly
fits in a normal-sized
head, or should.
(trilema) bvt: myeah, complexity does not go too well with both constant-time and
fits-
in-
head.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2018-12-28 20:35 asciilifeform: diana_coman: sadly i do not know how to 'guarantee perfection'. all i know how to do is to bake maximally '
fits in head' and bank that the folx here will f
ind mistake if it turns out that i made one.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2018-08-21 18:28 asciilifeform: all i particularly care for
in re script
ing is to obta
in a replacement for perl/python/bash where the
interpreter is simple (i.e. readable,
fits-
in-
head, auditable, correct)
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2018-08-21 18:28 asciilifeform: all i particularly care for
in re script
ing is to obta
in a replacement for perl/python/bash where the
interpreter is simple (i.e. readable,
fits-
in-
head, auditable, correct)
(trilema) phf: i can obviously fix btcbase to be more useful (i.e. cont
inue to aid the patch exploration)
in cases where a patch is big, but
in general a 9mb patch seems to go aga
inst the whole
fits in head
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 14:59 tr
inque: and
in service to
fits-
in-
head
(trilema) caaddr: I wonder how early
in such a stack you would add the k
ind of compile time protections that ada guarantees. compile time protections seem to be the hardest th
ing to keep a programm
ing language at "
fits in head" size
(trilema) mircea_popescu: the strong statement here is that the ~only~ possible identity bits of code have is based on ~personal memory~. to revisit the oft used bubblesort example -- any particular implementation of bubblesort IS bubblesort because ~you~ recognize it as such and for ~no other reason~, factual ~or possible~. consequently
fits in head as the basis of code identity.
(trilema) mod6: I had started a new V
in Ada, had to stick it
in the drawer for a while. Not gett
ing to exactly where I wanted to go (easy to read,
fits in head, no perl/perlisms) with it at this time.
(trilema) phf: right, i th
ink perhaps the problem of this particular turn of phrase, is that he can't actually name what makes him a better than average programmer (like ascii's
fits in head, or Pr
inciples, or), so he's reduced to a shortcut that is
insufficient
(trilema) phf: apparently he also argues for
fits in head as the only proper measure elsewhere, but i can't f
ind the source of quote (possibly person who implied it is a log reader, and just reused the variety speak)
(trilema) spyked: valent
inbuza, maybe not, but then if you have everyth
ing loaded
in head, the most you can do is rip the useless parts apart and leave *only* what
fits into the problem at hand. which turns "framework"
into "item that solves particular problem". it is essential to not leave *anyth
ing else* there.
(trilema) BingoBoingo: <erlehmann> large scale deployments are always driven by statistics. i once read that many stats have no bike helmet laws because lawmakers are conv
inced this would reduce bik
ing to the po
int where more cardiovascular diseases outrun bene
fits of less
head injuries. << For all the idiocies Ill
inois does participate
in, it refra
ins from helmet laws. This means the occasional perosn rid
ing a chromed up cruisers with a DOT non-compliant Pick
(trilema) erlehmann: large scale deployments are always driven by statistics. i once read that many stats have no bike helmet laws because lawmakers are conv
inced this would reduce bik
ing to the po
int where more cardiovascular diseases outrun bene
fits of less
head injuries.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 05:13 erlehmann: i use GNU unifont wherever i can.
fits in head.
(trilema) mod6: <+asciilifeform> which, btw, imho is
intr
insically unsuitable for a
fits-
in-
head rsatron, it is extremely gnarly and uses float approximations that get magically unfudged back to
int, etc << ugh. right.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 00:38 asciilifeform: ( it adds a scream
ingly unwarranted runtime and non
fitsinhead complexity to just about any proggy )
(trilema) phf: that's a tricky request, but the tenets are around shitlangs differentiation, "
fits in head", v as a way of releas
ing code, what it means to own a piece of technology. there's a handful of threads that had def
initive conclusions, that i consider tenets (i th
ink the word should be
in quotes to
indicate that while not true tenets, violat
ing them will require reopen
ing large threads)
(trilema) sina: basically once it's >
fitsinhead, nobodies gonna audit it
(trilema) erlehmann: asciilifeform what do you use as shell? i use rc shell, because grammar
fits in head (actually, grammar is written on man page).
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 13:47 diana_coman: it certa
inly
fits it perfectly, yes; and overall it also
fits the more general pattern: the moment everyone gets to do it, one can tell that "it" is a. only a pale shadow of itself, b. go
ing to shit full-speed a
head anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: it certa
inly
fits it perfectly, yes; and overall it also
fits the more general pattern: the moment everyone gets to do it, one can tell that "it" is a. only a pale shadow of itself, b. go
ing to shit full-speed a
head anyway
(trilema) mircea_popescu: but this phenomenon exists whereby girl ends up
in trouble for reasons which, upon later exam
ination, turn out to not actually exist. that the whole th
ing was actually a misunderstand
ing is proof positive the entire system
fits in no one's
head : not
in m
ine, who misunderstood what was go
ing on, not
in the girl;s herself, who, confronted with the misunderstand
ing, failed to identify what to say to dispel it.
(trilema) lobbes: But re:
fits in head. Isn't phf's/alfs argument that you cannot really even audit said generalized glue?
(trilema) trinque: I'll close with the observation that asciilifeform's "
fits in head" serves "build to iterate and throw away" very well.
(trilema) phf: well, presumably all this only applies when you have
fits in head. otherwise you have to fallback to counterparty
(trilema) phf: we were comm
ing from the direction of debian on 10 cds though, so restat
ing my orig
inal po
int: i th
ink bootstrapp
ing can be solved with counterparty as an alternative to
fits in head, i.e. i don't m
ind an approach where
in order to bootstrap i get a b
inary from l1, that i use as a rich subtrate from which i can bootstrap.
(trilema) phf: i th
ink i see why we got on this thread. i was say
ing that bootstrapp
ing is always a counterparty problem. i missed that that's not the case for
fits in head (i th
ink ascii might've tried po
int
ing that out to me).
(trilema) mircea_popescu:
in other news, toshiba seems
headed for the ex-b
in. after the "we made up 7bn pro
fits over the past 6 years and are really los
ing 5bn a year atm" 2016 lulz, they've announced a 3.5bn loot
ing by the usg this year.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-02-11 00:27 asciilifeform: ROP is why you want not only '
fits-
in-
head' source of proggy, but the smallest b
inary physically possible.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the situation's a good example of the tension between writ
ing code that does one th
ing really specifically well, and
fits-
in-
head, vs a larger program that handles eg conditions and the concomittant complexity
(trilema) adlai: go a
head, mircea_popescu, say that the gzipped txt
fits better
in yours
(trilema) mircea_popescu: check him out, adept of
fits in head, worried about not be
ing able to f
ind the broken code HE SHOULDNT HAVE HAD. pshhh
(trilema) scriba: Logged on 2016-09-13: [17:51:53] <asciilifeform> the reason why we ~have~ spec-by-program is because it is the only actual alternative to
fits-
in-
head.
(trilema) phf: it doesn't satisfy our own requirements of
fits in head, it goes through a rube goldberg mach
ine
in order to produce a specific build for a specific system. "mac os x? fuck you. openbsd? fuck you". it doesn't succeed at own goal of produc
ing bit identical builds.
(trilema) mod6: I'm a bit hesitant to "sign" a file outright that I don't have carnal knowledge of -- say openssl - at least without a disclaimer that says "I am only confirm
ing the SHA512 of this artifact is ABCDEF1234... This does not mean that I have read that code and it ``
fits in head''."
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2016-06-19 03:45 asciilifeform: which is to say, the tokamak folks are about as
interested
in desktop, $1000 fusion (of ~whatever temperatures~) as the maths dept at your uni is
interested
in elementary proof of fermat, or the software '
industry' -
in '
fits in head', etc.
(trilema) phf: flask is not standalone though, it's a wsgi service, which
in turn is a python standard for do
ing "web application". there are compet
ing servers for wsgi, uwsgi be
ing most popular. i actually had to patch it for my work production, and it's not a
fits in head by any means
(trilema) mircea_popescu: this is WHY your "
fits in head", btw. well justified cover for the "on the basis of the pi we know, the largest house that can stand is 11 feet tall"
(trilema) davout: anyway, my po
int is that if nobody remembers, that nobody bothered to blog it, the fact that completeness is a problem might
indicate a violation of
fits-
in-
head
(trilema) mircea_popescu: with
in "m
inutes", where "m
inutes" just neatly
fits in the cartel
head-of-best-cha
in report delay.
(trilema) punkman: "because why trust on a s
ingle cryptographic primitive" << because it's nice if the whole th
ing
fits-
in-
head, and even if you cascade there is still the possibility of meet-me-
in-the-middle attacks or I dunno what else
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 04-02-2016 15:56:22; ascii_butugychag: punkman:
fits-
in-
head only plox.
(trilema) BingoBoingo:
fits in tweet no guarantee of
fits in head,
head can overflow buffer and leak memory too
(trilema) thestringpuller: the rule of thumb "
fits in head" helps with the notion of own
ing device which when understood could "fit
in head".
(trilema) mod6: As soon as we have our new build process
in place, and it's sane, and "Works" and "
fits in head" and all that, then we'll release.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually may want to write him a letter, iirc he was also all about
fits in head but arrived there on slightly different path
(trilema) assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 20:57:40; tr
inque: mircea_popescu │
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367833 << i can't discern which side you're tak
ing. << the side with mostly (if not *entirely*) pla
in english, and even better, represented as an explicit tree with s-expressions. that one can parse the hieroglyphs when he's habituated to them... f
ine, but I thought we were after "
fits in head" here. how much skull-space does that
(trilema) trinque: mircea_popescu │
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367833 << i can't discern which side you're tak
ing. << the side with mostly (if not *entirely*) pla
in english, and even better, represented as an explicit tree with s-expressions. that one can parse the hieroglyphs when he's habituated to them... f
ine, but I thought we were after "
fits in head" here. how much skull-space does that
(trilema) mircea_popescu: <B
ingoBo
ingo> RSA offers a longer hisotry of be
ing studied and attacked << more importantly, it actually
fits in head. a 12 yo's
head.
(trilema) phf: so what do you do when not everyth
ing
fits in head?
(trilema) BingoBoingo: <jurov> whether "stratum" protocol
fits in head for easy control, that's another question. << A lot of this. I'm imag
ining and "electrum" that isn't actually electrum. i.e. not a big ball of whatever that desperately wants to advertise to the world exactly what it is. basically a different better database client setup. May break down and learn to make code enough to shit one out by 2030.
(trilema) jurov: whether "stratum" protocol
fits in head for easy control, that's another question.
(trilema) phf:
in 60 years will be us
ing "f", a
fits in head filesystem implementation by ascii, that can store terabytes of data, but technically
indist
inguishable from tape archive
(trilema) ascii_field: it is important to remember why we came up with the whole shebang of '
fits-
in-
head 1-page' patches, 'v', the lot
(trilema) ascii_field: understand, i have no objection to tools such as computerized theorem-prov
ing, data flow analysis, etc. except
in that these are put forward as ~substitutes for
fits-
in-
head simplicity~.
(trilema) ascii_field: my other problem is that i have not yet found an implementation of ml language that
fits-
in-
head.
(trilema) ascii_field: from usg's po
int of view, ANYTH
ING is better than hav
ing folks wake up to cpu-with-bounds-check
ing-on-all-ops and
fits-
in-
head