snsabot: Logged on 2020-01-12 18:25:25 asciilifeform: shinohai: do you have a mirror for that one ? plox to link
Apocalyptic: shinohai: great stuff, I have also tested litmus to check clearsigned msg and works a++
shinohai will upload his makefile vpatch as soon as he fixes 1-2 more things and resigns
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, a minor inconvenience in litmus.sh, on my system /bin/sh is symlinked to dash, and it seems to barf at line 151 "FILES=(...)", which looks like a bashism to me (unsure). Changing the interpreter to /bin/bash fixed the issue
Apocalyptic: dash throws: "./litmus.sh: 151: ./litmus.sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
shinohai: i never use anything besides sh or bash, so have no clue
Apocalyptic: I guess the (..) construct is not POSIX-compliant. asciilifeform it dies way before 'test externals' which begins at line 219
shinohai: Discord found to be decrypting users E2E encrypted chats and voice messages, then re-encrypting and send packets along their merry way.
shinohai: Discord is like this alt-irc for "gamerz" or whatever.
shinohai: was popular haunt of douchebag iirc, perhaps danielpbarron had church chan there?
Apocalyptic: it's still very popular in crypto "trading groups" these days, where owner charges BTC to post advice
shinohai: Telegram is only heathen chat I use for "cryptocurrency" chats, and is relatively easy to make logbot for
Apocalyptic: shinohai, I wanted to try Telegram once, but they ask for a mandatory phone number to register if I remember correctly
Apocalyptic: now wtf they need that info for is still unclear to me
shinohai: i used throwaway google voice #
shinohai: But no, outside of irc, no "real" conversation occurs.
shinohai: I think last time I was on Discord was when I met the subgenii folx that made an altcoin, chan alwayz ded
shinohai: "Life imitates Art far more than Art imitates Life" (tm) (Wilde)
shinohai: i like where conversation headed towards v.sh
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, I'd rather it be on irc but nobody joins that one. I get a lot of new people joining from various discord channel promotion websites. The "win" is that I reach more people with one than the other.
danielpbarron: i'm on irc too, and those who care to continue chatting with me know how to find it
danielpbarron: i don't see the point. They have already been warned. The chat is mostly for warning new people.
shinohai: i mean, discord will be consumed by same fire and brimstone sent by jehovah to destroy all the other evil places i'd suppose.
shinohai: because webshit, and "there's an app for that" ad naseum
shinohai: I dont use Telegram app anyway, it uses libpurple, so interact via weechat/bitlbee
danielpbarron: i will admit, the discord phone app is way better than irc apps -- of course i still prefer a full keyboard and my irc client on linux
snsabot: (trilema) 2019-08-29 asciilifeform: there's imho a ~huge~ chunk of problem domain that is begging for a simple, well-specified, ~frozen~ scripting lang.
snsabot: (trilema) 2019-08-29 asciilifeform: imho instead of rewriting logger for 11th time out of matchsticks and hot glue, would be better to make a proper scripting lang...
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: as far as I know dash is the most minimalist pure posix shell there is
Apocalyptic: apparently there is a few Berkeley extensions on top of posix features, but that's all
Apocalyptic: no argument there, no wonder everyone uses bloated bash and co
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, since you mentioned CL, I wanted to experiment with it in the past but could not emerge dev-lisp/clisp on gentoo. I ended up with
a memory-related error and couldn't fix it, so dropped the matter
Apocalyptic: needless to say, the "libffcall update" didn't fix anything, apparently it's related to gcc hardening and whatnot
Apocalyptic: I tried to switch between different gcc versions, including removing ssp/pie and using the vanilla gcc, but to no avail
shinohai: Apocalyptic: even when just trying to build clisp from sources (or just emerge) ?
shinohai: but looks like i didnt document, because running emerge by hand is boring lol
Apocalyptic: "./lisp.run marc > marc.out" causes the error
Apocalyptic: shinohai, notice the heathen-gpg version too "Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux)"
snsabot: Logged on 2020-01-13 21:54:40 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, since you mentioned CL, I wanted to experiment with it in the past but could not emerge dev-lisp/clisp on gentoo. I ended up with
a memory-related error and couldn't fix it, so dropped the matter
shinohai: I was abt to say the gpg 2x is inexcusable
shinohai: It's decidedly boring, irc still the great refuge.
Apocalyptic: I agree with shinohai, nothing remotely of interest is happening on those heathen-chats
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: by ccl you mean dev-lisp/clozurecl, right ?
Apocalyptic: seeing the retardation on gentoo from 2016 I'm afraid every time I'm syncing the tree
snsabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 22:27:27 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the reason why must NOT 'emerge --sync' is that gentoo's upstream went full-bore tard in late '17. if you sync, 'emerge' simply becomes paperweight, as no longer accepts the systemdism-ban flags
Apocalyptic: yeah I did sync but did not upgrade @world