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thimbronion: signpost: we both use the same key
signpost: ah right.
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $62052.91
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: : Could not connect!
watchglass: : Could not connect!
watchglass: : Could not connect!
watchglass: : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=708004
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708034
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=708034
watchglass: : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708034 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.175s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708012
watchglass: : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=707660 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: : Alive: (0.165s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708034
watchglass: : Alive: (0.244s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708034
watchglass: : Alive: (0.335s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708034
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.317s) V=88888 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708012
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.947s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708034 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
watchglass: : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
signpost: "Most people with souls are mystified by the sky, the ocean and nature; Americans mostly aren't." << this is the thing I most despise about these people.
signpost: might have to pick up this book.
signpost: and good morning asciilifeform!
signpost: thimbronion: appears to be connecting and disconnecting a lot
thimbronion: signpost: i suspect someone's irc daemon is attempting to create a link
thimbronion: You can get rid of that by listening for IRC client connections on a different port
signpost: thimbronion: cool, will just ignore it for now. am I dense or is /quote /at not working in weechat
thimbronion: signpost: you don't need the slash in front of the command after /quote for some reason
signpost: ah ok. and it's just empty, so /quote at has no response?
thimbronion: signpost: yeah. I need to add some feedback for commands.
signpost: thimbronion: is the not used now, and I should instead peer up with you via commands?
signpost: wasn't sure what the interaction was between the two.
thimbronion: signpost: the is no longer necessary, although for debugging/testing purposes you can import the address table/wot from a .py file like those in test_net_configs using --address-table-path if you want.
thimbronion: But yes probably best to peer up using the commands.
signpost: cool, will give that a try in a few.
signpost will have much more attention to spend on this in about a week
thimbronion: signpost: Cool!
asciilifeform: 'morning signpost et al !
asciilifeform hoping to spend some cycles to help debug thimbronion's prototype in coming week
asciilifeform: lulzily, asciilifeform's furnace broke down, but 75f in torture room, simply from the x86 spaceheaters alone
shinohai still tinkering with thimbronion's thing, bot stayed connected overnite so am pleased.
asciilifeform: << if found a working warez, plox to link. seems ~unobtainable in dead tree.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-03 10:37:46 signpost: might have to pick up this book.
asciilifeform: << hmm loox like my dulap, and left over from last round of ircism. i'ma fix.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-03 10:40:03 signpost:
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-03 11:31:13 asciilifeform: << if found a working warez, plox to link. seems ~unobtainable in dead tree.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-03 10:28:43 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in misc. chinesium.
asciilifeform: cgra: thx! worx
asciilifeform: !q uptime
dulapbot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 140d 14h 7m
signpost: rad, ty cgra
asciilifeform: upstack, trb org dns still points to devnull
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-01 22:23:30 asciilifeform: in other strange, aint expired, but apparently updated on 23 oct to point to dead (?) box. while the other one to live. why? nfi (ask jurov ? if anyone knows where to find him)
asciilifeform: the site still loads, but given an apparently total lack of cooperation from jurov , asciilifeform is likely doomed to the chore of setting up a fresh one.
asciilifeform: why he moved the dns remains a mystery.
asciilifeform: the tbf piggy has not been eaten, so remains theoretically possible that jurov will reappear (perhaps thought we had sank w/ fleanode? nfi)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-31 22:51:20 asciilifeform: << fwiw it hasn't moved anywhere.
asciilifeform: if anyone tuned in has a contact addr for him, now's the time to try an' roust him.
signpost: thought he had surfaced here recently, but maybe it was on the other.
asciilifeform: !q seen-anywhere jurov
dulapbot: jurov last seen in #asciilifeform on 2021-07-02 12:26:27: i read about mp yesterday, then said to myself stop procrastinating and check back
asciilifeform: ^ afaik most recent public sighting.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-03 16:43:09 asciilifeform: finally gets off fleanode for good.
signpost: fwiw his key mentions an email
signpost: if asciilifeform wants to write him
asciilifeform goes to write
asciilifeform sent him a mail.
asciilifeform: cgra: didja ever post your recent trb bugola finds ?
asciilifeform would quite like to bring the trb ml back to life.
asciilifeform: imho is over9000x better format for such work than realtime irc
asciilifeform will set up a new piggy also, if it comes to this, but sadly doesn't have megafortune to contribute to same
asciilifeform would need a volunteer for role of treasurer 1st. rather than '1 d00d judge, jury, executioner' lulshow
asciilifeform: !q seen-anywhere mod6
dulapbot: mod6 last seen in #trilema on 2020-03-02 20:19:23: mp_en_viaje: Ahhh, alright, thanks for the update.
asciilifeform: !q seen bomolochus
dulapbot: bomolochus last seen here on 2021-09-17 15:54:56: thimbronion: stock character from greek plays, "buffoon" aha
shinohai: No idea how to track down mod6 .... last I spoke with him was via DM on fleanode right before implosion.
cgra: << thought i'd try to fix, then slowly ended up feeling was actually trying to sip from another massive "spittoon" here.. possibly what asciilifeform was talking earlier of. may be so that can't just fix those "couple of issues" without re-designing large parts from ground-up
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-03 14:06:07 asciilifeform: cgra: didja ever post your recent trb bugola finds ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-10 13:00:53 asciilifeform: cgra: now see logic of asciilifeform's earlier summary ?
asciilifeform: cgra: imho at least oughta 'fix' in the sense of plugging the remote-dos hole (as asciilifeform & mod6 did for the transmit buffer barf)
asciilifeform: but indeed a 'proper fix' inescapably involves burning the whole rancid piece of shit to the ground
asciilifeform: sadly no one presently has the cycles for the latter afaik.
asciilifeform: ( tho imho asciilifeform in fact had laid out all of the necessary groundwork components for this . )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-26 10:32:39 asciilifeform: 'nqb' was actually about this -- attempt to represent traditional tx/blox in a maximally, as possible, 'trbi'-like form, for O(1) storage/retrieval.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-26 10:36:57 asciilifeform: ( preallocate with 'cryostat', naturally )
cgra: asciilifeform: i could detail the specific items at least, for now, if yields any benefit (not to say they're somehow hard to discover -- more like "how come nobody ever mentioned before, or did i miss something?")
asciilifeform: cgra: would be quite useful imho.
asciilifeform: cgra: optimal place for this would be the ml, but given as it's in suspended animation, why not on your www.
asciilifeform promises to read.
signpost: imho perfect example of why build atop pest in time ^
signpost: ML posts should just be queryable and retrieved by whomever has
signpost mighty interested in this
asciilifeform: signpost: indeed
cgra: asciilifeform: i'll write, possibly within few days
asciilifeform: signpost: see also .
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-29 21:07:32 asciilifeform: jonsykkel: see linked thrd for basic outline of algo. idea is, if you have a www ('vvv' ??) of signed material, will then have as many mirrors as you have readers. and they'll all have up-to-date, authentic content of yours, trivially verifiably. nomoar ddos, expensive hostings, warez takedowns, etc
signpost: 100%
asciilifeform: cgra: ty!
signpost: this was the dream of semantic web, internet of facts, not IP addresses/boxes, even if the instantiations to date were academic crap.
asciilifeform: signpost: from asciilifeform's reading of the period materials, seems that quite a few folx understood that baking in the physical happenstance of 'which box' into hyperlinks is retarded. (e.g. t.nelson understood, in 1960s.) but the 'wat-do' remained nonobv. until recently.
asciilifeform: imho vtron in fact supplies most of the necessary abstraction. hyperlink can consist of 1) hash 2) offset 3) length .
asciilifeform: and this exhaustively covers it.
asciilifeform: handles the 'update' problem, as well
asciilifeform: nomoar 'link rot' -- the linked material sticks around until sol burns out.
asciilifeform: spamola-problem is handled by simple fact of folx mirroring strictly material from their l1/l2.
signpost: yep, and cut functionality there. any interesting parsing of retrieved material is left for another proggy.
asciilifeform would naively imagine that the possibility of a working (and fits-in-head) solution to this ~century-old problem would excite folx. but nah most would rather play with shitcoins iguess
signpost: if bitcoin continues to liberate me, quite interesting.
asciilifeform: i suspect this explains the comparative stagnation of p2p tech vs. damn near errythingelse. i.e. nobody's ever 'getting rich' on a p2pism.
signpost hopes others here "retire" to works, if they retire.
signpost: whole fucking point of republic, as I saw. get stack, then works.
asciilifeform: signpost: the near-exponentially rising cost of 'living like white man' is imho the scourge there. e.g. asciilifeform would need b/w 1 and 2 'new zeroes' to join signpost et al in 'retire to works'
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-31 23:04:14 asciilifeform: gotta keep lights on until the quasi-mythical 'victory day' when exch rate grows that new 0
asciilifeform: until then , stuck scuba-diving in liquishit with very occasional breaths of air.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-27 19:11:43 asciilifeform: 'So I can eat in the bedroom,' he said in a slightly muffled voice, 'read in the consulting-room, dress in the hall, operate in the maid's room and examine patients in the dining-room. I expect that is what Isadora Duncan does. Perhaps she eats in her study and dissects rabbits in the bathroom. Perhaps. But I'm not Isadora Duncan. . . !' he turned yellow. 'I shall eat in the diningroom and operate in the operating thea
signpost figures the 1 is coming, and before 2 no dollar worth mentioning.
signpost: I'm short term reasoning with the exchange rate, but long-term reasoning with the fraction-of-total-btc
signpost knows full well this may mean a short life. nothing says I survive the US-version of 1991
signpost: there's also a fork in the road ahead for me where woods, solar panels, greenhouse, and will happily end the road there if someone came to take.
asciilifeform: seems that signpost is quite well positioned, comparatively, for the 1991.
asciilifeform: ditto thimbronion , billymg , shinohai
asciilifeform finds interesting that there appears to be a danger zone on the ~upper~ end of things, i.e. 'mortido' taking forms of e.g. costly substance abuse, costa rica swims, etc. many moar ameri-millionaires burned in chopper crashes than from plebe bullet, always found this interesting.
thimbronion: One more zero and I'll likely be doing mostly works. If the zero comes off, back to plain old work.
asciilifeform: !q seen-anywhere mthreat
dulapbot: mthreat last seen in #trilema on 2017-04-01 12:15:47: ya the -800 is pretty new right
gregory5: asciilifeform: signpost: that book "America against America" is well known among Chinese people who follow geopolitics.
asciilifeform: wonder what became of him. met at c2 in argentinistan, d00d bought own mig, etc
gregory5: I can send you my digital copy.
signpost: gregory5: snagged from that link, but ty!
asciilifeform: gregory5: already found, ty
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-03 12:46:59 cgra: << simply found an apparently working link from mentioned piece's comment section
signpost: gregory5: ironically the only hope for the place may be cold war with China, given the US has no unifying narrative but the other.
gregory5: oh, I didn't see that someone already posted it.
asciilifeform: 'war' (of whatever temperature) against the folx who supply ~100% of what's sold in shops is lulzy concept imho.
signpost will look forward to reading a critique from outside the bubble.
signpost: asciilifeform: and dumber shit's been done!
gregory5: a related book is Unrestricted Warfare (1999) by Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui.
signpost: same folks that just shot a hypersonic "vehicle" around the earth and tagged within MIRV range of target
signpost: gregory5: will happily take any links you think would be of interest.
asciilifeform: signpost: recall the cn sub off the coast of californistan, target practice in broad daylight w/ ~total noose blackout?
asciilifeform: iirc '17
signpost: chicoms probably told the news outlets to hush.
signpost: would be hilarious if this takes the form "we will pull ad spend" from w/e fakecorps
asciilifeform suspects that it didn't require an explicit hush memo
asciilifeform doesn't expect that ameri-analogue of e.g. this document will ever surface. likely, no such thing exists. much 'implicit' 'gentleman's agreement' in ameri-fishwraps
signpost: yeah, less funny that, and likely true.
signpost: still, I figure the US is quite infiltrated by now.
asciilifeform: imho 'infiltrate' is perhaps understatement. moar like the relationship b/w master and dog.
asciilifeform: perhaps dogs already imagine they are 'fighting cold war' against humans.
signpost: pretty sad. I'm not an end times guy, but dpb will maybe appreciate that I find "whore of babylon" a fitting symbol.
signpost: fits because perennial
asciilifeform: signpost: upstack, tried solarism ? do you have the setup w/ batteries ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-03 14:46:49 signpost: there's also a fork in the road ahead for me where woods, solar panels, greenhouse, and will happily end the road there if someone came to take.
asciilifeform: allegedly one can buy proper ones ( coupla thou. deep cycles ) nao
signpost: haven't started building that out yet, probably relocating q2-3 next year
signpost: but I've got a relative in that business, will largely defer to his advice on rig.
signpost: I'll document on the blog when I get this going
asciilifeform relocating in coupla mo. to a place where theoretically could experiment w/ such exotica.
asciilifeform: apparently there's even a lavish usg subsidy for these.
signpost: indeed, and seems halfway decent approach to inflation.
signpost: carve off as many expenses as possible. would like to also mine enough BTC to cover property tax, but will see.
asciilifeform: there's not much else where can park usd productively, aha
asciilifeform: signpost: interesting, afaik availability of vaguely-recent minertrons in retail is ~0. but possibly asciilifeform simply has not looked hardenuff
asciilifeform: re buildings, 'geothermal' device also interesting from this pov.
asciilifeform: (and similarly subsidized in usa)
signpost: << claims to be able to ship, but haven't tested this hypothesis.
signpost: by my math 1-2 of those oughta pay current property tax at roughly the cost of 1yr's worth.
signpost: those taxes are often limited by "homestead" classification on how much they can increase per year, and meanwhile BTC rises to perhaps offset fall in miner yield.
signpost: if they simply unilaterally raise taxes to million/year, I'll know I'm living in a failed state and act accordingly
signpost: i.e. not pay.
signpost: yeah used same
asciilifeform: (naturally presupposes constant diff)
asciilifeform suspects that the ideal location for this trick would be e.g. alaska (otherwise add a dime or two per kW/hr for cooling)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-27 15:11:50 asciilifeform: whereas pv-miner could be just about anywhere, a single sat dish could easily serve any # of units in e.g. alaska
signpost: yeah, but too miserably off-grid for me up there.
signpost: headed to new england, will just leave the US if that becomes untenable
asciilifeform: imho could be +ev to manufacture miners intended for passive (i.e. steel stake in earth) cooling, w/ integrated pv panel
asciilifeform: but atm ordinary mains socket 'too cheap' for this, possib.
signpost: I think so, just someone needs to convince the solar people.
asciilifeform: traditional miners afaik all presuppose ideal 20c dehumidified datacenter air
asciilifeform: ( sucked through plastic fans etc )
signpost: seems a perfect fit; they've got a variable-yield asset that BTC would happily make more regular
signpost: in re: fluctuations of profitability of selling the power
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-27 15:02:16 asciilifeform: wonders whether anyone has tried integrating miner into pv panel. ~0 transmission loss, and if the panel gets shaded, the thing simply cranks down, and then cranks back up when cloud passes, etc
signpost would not be sad if his own space-station experiments yielded a decent company down the line.
signpost: but if they have any sense, the folks that are already doing this will get a move on.
asciilifeform: historically they've displayed a jaw-dropping lack of sense
signpost: mostly suckling the brrrrr, hard to think in there.
asciilifeform: this particular sword-in-the-stone could easily stay in the stone until signpost pulls.
asciilifeform: even a minertron that can dynamically obey command 'use x kw/hr' would be a++ interesting.
asciilifeform: to, say, anyone w/ spare mains capacity in dc.
signpost: BTC should absolutely be turning all waste into wealth.
signpost ranted to wife on a recent drive through texas when we passed natgas being flared off
signpost: it's 2021, what the fuck are they doing
mats: there should be a surplus of miners for at least the next year
signpost: mats: yeah, chinsese dumping?
mats: yeah
asciilifeform: wb PeterL
PeterL: oh hey
asciilifeform: how's life PeterL ?
billymg: << good read, and thanks for the link to the full text cgra
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-03 10:28:43 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in misc. chinesium.
billymg: << signpost might want to reach out to this guy if interested in this general direction, he's been doing it for a few years now
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-03 15:27:31 signpost: ranted to wife on a recent drive through texas when we passed natgas being flared off
billymg: << we'll see. i wish i shared e.g. mats' optimism re: rule of law and all that
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-03 14:47:22 asciilifeform: ditto thimbronion , billymg , shinohai
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-20 20:48:19 mats: talk to a tax attorney and then do what i'm told
asciilifeform: jurov ( has joined #asciilifeform << jurov are you alive in there ?
asciilifeform: billymg: i meant strictly the 'get outta usa' sense.
vex shamefully enters the room
vex also thought this , engineer for money, then engineer for works
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-03 14:42:23 signpost: whole fucking point of republic, as I saw. get stack, then works.
billymg: asciilifeform: gotcha, maybe it'll give a slight advantage. i haven't been super "bullish" on cr lately tbh, with looming vaxxpass mandate and all
signpost: with the reliance on tourism I'm unsurprised
signpost: "pls ser come visit our beaches, 200% vax'd"
signpost: vex: swap out some of the booze for pot, way better for you
signpost hardly drinks, wrecks gut
billymg: signpost: according to the local rags tourism on track to be back at 2019 levels soon
signpost: hm, maybe just paid off medical bureaucrats, or who knows. any idea?
signpost: by now the "science" is in, everywhere that let covid rip is done with it.
billymg: i actually think it's people from us/eu/canada trying to get *away* from the various pandemic measures
billymg: would bet that "come visit cr, no covid bs" would generate more tourism than "we've got the vax pass"
vex: thanks signpost, I've been approaching that very conclusion
billymg: but then these guys decide to pull funding, so can't offer that
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-27 16:22:32 billymg: asciilifeform: right, just get money directly from IMF loans?
billymg: << this has seemed obvious for a while now, but 0 effect because all the restrictions/bs put in place never had anything to do with the virus in the first place imo
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-03 23:15:42 signpost: by now the "science" is in, everywhere that let covid rip is done with it.
signpost: yeah, same tools will be used if inflation brings back the riots.
signpost: thanks for the link to this barbour guy, will check out
billymg: signpost: btw i've had some people here recommend solar to me also, curious to hear how that goes for you. will also report in if i actually do the work to get some hard numbers on it here
billymg: signpost: np
billymg: regarding your other off the grid projects, i was also intrigued by the mention of this one
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-11-10 21:47:42 trinque: can't say I have any interesting glue-gun projects in mind, other than maybe farting around with quad copters
signpost: yeah, I assume land's cheap down there. do they have the same asinine import restrictions as UY had for gear?
signpost: it's all speculation in the private state direction. watching e.g. portland fall into disorder's been a hint of things to come.
signpost: haven't started fiddling with that one yet, winding down a big time commitment EoW
signpost: then frankly probably going to sit on my ass in a robe for a month or two, maybe make some white russians
billymg: signpost: there's a hefty import tax, yes, but possibly for solar there might also be some government subsidies available
signpost been grinding for about 12yrs at this point, time to park it for a brief interlude
signpost: billymg: yeah, one'd think you could say ESG to some wannabe bureaucrat and get them in.
billymg: signpost: lately i go back and forth between a) hunker down and grow/raise my own food, b) join megacorp and hope the keycard they give me gets me into whole foods after the masses get locked out
signpost just did the megacorp thing, wasn't so bad
signpost: wasn't any worse than the alternatives, anyway.
billymg: i thought you had your own biz then sold?
signpost: yes, to a.
billymg: didn't know you did a stint as megacorp salaryman
signpost: typically these are the terms of those deals
signpost: gotta stick around for a while
billymg: ahh, right, right
billymg: "aquihire"
billymg: er, acqui-hire
billymg: but yeah, if the state is going to fall maybe time to pledge allegiance zuckerberg or whoever
signpost: lord knows they're all seeing attrition, not a bad time to get a good deal
signpost: fwiw the folks I interacted with on a day to day were entirely pleasant, and the broader political context of the company, while insane, wasn't some kind of other insanity than the one affecting the whole empire.
signpost: might as well be paid well for the insanity, dump the shitbux into bitcoin.
billymg: signpost: i had the same experience tbh, a lot of good/smart people in those places
signpost: fat piles of money are good attractors, lol
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