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snsabot: whaack last seen in #ossasepia on
2020-07-30 15:52:31: erm...I ran `make ONLINE=1` and have a running bitcoind, I'm not quite sure that it is statically linked
newland0: asciilifeform: curious about cryptocurrency history and about the tech itself
newland0: what is your take on why you wrote this? seems like it would lead to greatly increased fragmentation as compared to using something like git
newland0: many different versions of everything, instead of one that is maintained by someone trusted and forks only happen when they really need to
newland0: following people instead of projects?
newland0: right, that's what i was trying to get my head around
newland0: seen that, so you pick your trusted people and you have to know where to get new patches based on where those people usually publish them
newland0: if publishing and fetching changes is harder then there will be less changes
newland0: what happens when you do want to merge two lines of development together?
newland0: I am way too used to thinking "how will an idiot break this" in the stuff I work on
snsabot: (trilema) 2014-11-14 asciilifeform: undata: do you know how soviet nukes and spacecraft were assembled?
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-04 21:34:31 newland0: seen that, so you pick your trusted people and you have to know where to get new patches based on where those people usually publish them
newland0: my opinion: something like that is only possible after years of fucking up software in the usual way, bloat and garbage making the whole thing uncomprehensible
newland0: assuming that gpg and your hardware are trusted
snsabot: (trilema) 2016-01-18 ascii_butugychag: btw i hope everybody understands that life with 'v' is always going to resemble dark age blood sports like cvs, etc. far more than modern greased poles (e.g., 'git')
newland0: that would be some of the starting points
newland0: but can't rely on it much or that becomes the weak point, right?
newland0: if you have "outsourced" code then you are getting shit no matter what.
newland0: unless what shows on that page is being intercepted and rewritten
newland0: right, but you have to make sure you read the same version that you verify the sigs on
newland0: so btcbase is for quick overviews, no more
newland0: another thing I noticed: vpatches don't have timestamps?
newland0: and not for authentication but for a heuristic "is this thing still living"
newland0: paraphrasing from some of the stuff in that web of links: "computers should be made of user-understandable, interchangeable parts, like ak's"
newland0: pretty much 'the' way to un-fuck computing
newland0: thx for discussing/explaining. off for now
gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: I followed your link above and saw
this. glad to finally encounter someone else familiar with New Lies for Old (1984). it was a revealing book.
snsabot: (trilema) 2014-11-14 asciilifeform: undata: are you familiar with a figure called anatoly golitsyn?