gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-19#1016748 << I have written useful scripts, yea.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-19 12:31:14 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: outta curiosity -- didja ever actually program in that horror, or simply find appealing in theory ?
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-19#1016743 << I had to look that up. if I may say so, doesn't sound bad.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-19 12:27:08 asciilifeform: recall t. edison's last biz venture ? chances are you don't: he sold cement furniture. 'clean, concise'...
gregorynyssa: "Why should a young couple go into debt to purchase furniture that will last only a few decades? Edison proposed that for half the money, they could obtain a house full of concrete furniture that would endure for eternity. Made with air-impregnated foam to keep the weight at only one-and-a-half times that of wooden furniture, Edison's line of concrete furnishings would be sanded and smoothed into a mirror-like finish or stained to look like w
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-24#1017066 << this phenomenon was prefigured by the earlier phenomenon where people would criticize perfectly working programs for not incorporating OOP. (to my understanding, OOP-worshipping has largely died down over the last few years.)
snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-24 13:17:34 asciilifeform: discovered many yrs ago that you can 'troll' the vermin simply by writing fits-in-head proggies that actually work and use 0 'trend' garbage. even if not accompanied by any human-readable political statement. is why even sumthing like trb will ~never be mentioned in the heathen pits (in any context other than 'them terrorists..')
asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: very good point re oopism. and arguably descended, at least in part, from much older american traditions of 'salvation through method'
asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: imho it is sadly mistake to suppose that 'oop worship died' -- rather it became a stolid 'state church', in e.g. the uncountable blighted java saltmines , the oopism prayer wheels turn to this day
asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: ... or, read just about any ball of py liquishit on shithub. all the thoroughly redundant oop you could ever want, in there .
asciilifeform: ( see also re motivations of 'ideological' oop pushers. )
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 12 nodes...
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.033s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=640747 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.086s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=640747
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.142s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=640747
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.160s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=640747
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.167s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=640747
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.205s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=640746
watchglass: 176.9.59.199:8333 : (static.199.59.9.176.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.265s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=235865 (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.274s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=640747
watchglass: 108.31.170.3:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.931s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=640747 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 20 sec.)
watchglass: 188.121.168.69:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 20 sec.)
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 20 sec.)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-24#1017164 << curious, didja end up finding the cure? i was thinking, might be high time to get rid of the 'default silence' of makefiles. then could actually see why build barfs, in any given instance.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-24 23:01:48 trinque: the gnat built from the host system works, but does this when it builds itself in the chroot. I must indeed have mangled paths somewhere.
asciilifeform: (i.e. show ALL flags of any given invocation. why exactly does gnumake default-hide the actual shellouts ? never made any sense to me )
asciilifeform: gprbuild incidentally suffers from same birth defect.
asciilifeform: imho The Right Thing would be to force'em to print not only complete shellouts, but env flags. erry time.
asciilifeform: put perma-end to 'which headers dir is it eating' etc. hair-pulling sessions.
trinque: couldn't agree more, would be a fine vpatch after this is sorted out.
trinque: haven't fixed yet; I'm going to run an ave1 build, and snag the sources directly from there, see what's different about my gcc tree, if anything.
asciilifeform: trinque: depending on how gnarly 'this', might even be worth ~before~
asciilifeform: would in principle make 'sorting out' a 5min instead of ~week job.
asciilifeform: trinque: (afaik complete) ave1 deps if you need'em.
trinque: nah, I have all this
asciilifeform: ( his orig. mirrors afaik stone-dead nao )
asciilifeform: aite
asciilifeform: !q seen-anywhere ave1
snsabot: ave1 last seen in #ossasepia on 2020-04-06 04:23:33: So could you try to build with single worker?
trinque: that list is actually missing quite a lot if one intends to alter the build process at all.
asciilifeform: trinque: there's also http://dulap.xyz/ada/ .
shinohai: I didn't get anywhere with ave1's exact recipe, had to use dulap mirror and massage.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i had built his various recipes as-given and still using the output of the last one even now
asciilifeform: the mirror in question was baked from the temp dir of that build in fact.
asciilifeform: dun recall having to fiddle with it, either
asciilifeform: ftr ffa starting from ch. 11 tested exclusively on ave1's gnat.
asciilifeform: atm it's the only published gnat that bakes 100% static bins.
shinohai: it worked a long time ago first time i tried, but i wiped over that build when i re-installed gentoo. Thought it'd be good exercise to just build from scratch.
asciilifeform: shinohai: it reliably builds itself (except for the case of build-x64-on-arm64, strangely, that barfed)
asciilifeform: also built a working mips gnat w/it
asciilifeform: (only had to change 1 knob)
asciilifeform: tho tbf iirc trinque found that it in fact 'sucks in' system headers in at least 1 place
asciilifeform: (may explain the barf case)
asciilifeform: it defo aint perfect, simply is the most usable gnat i currently have on desk
trinque: over here, if building only for c,c++ works every time, so I am indeed suspecting something about "sucked in something from host" on the ada side.
trinque: I'll find it, just a serious pain in the ass.
trinque: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=5Qj2 << here's my current list-o-crap necessary to self-build
trinque: and fuck me if it wasn't a pain to align all the versions of autotools.
trinque: rsync could be carved out if linux's install_headers were patched to use shell-isms instead of rsync.
trinque: but it doesn't particularly offend me to have it present.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-25#1017223 << dollars to doughnuts, it sucked in the hosts's 'rts' (ada's std lib) .
snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-25 13:40:54 trinque: over here, if building only for c,c++ works every time, so I am indeed suspecting something about "sucked in something from host" on the ada side.
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