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Results 1751 ... 1859 found in asciilifeform for 'pest'
b: hi asciilifeform. what is the reserved field in pest packets for?
PeterL: Does pest need 64 bytes for the signature? Could a smaller signature be used, and allow a correspondingly larger message size?
asciilifeform: it is difficult imho to think of a worse idea for pest.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-13 16:38:33 asciilifeform: in fact already specified this in 4.1.2.2.2. In-WOT Hearsay. simply, now also count the # of peers from whom got bounce<=1 dupes of a given msg.
asciilifeform: 2) ~every~ hearsay message (rather than strictly in-wot hearsay) is embargoed for a configurable interval.
billymg: asciilifeform: i've started working on a sort of marketing page for pest at http://pest.bitdash.io/ -- right now the homepage just links to a neatly formatted copy of the current draft spec, but next step is adding an "overview" button to the homepage that will lead to a powerpoint-esque summary with diagrams/visual aids
asciilifeform: in fact already specified this in 4.1.2.2.2. In-WOT Hearsay. simply, now also count the # of peers from whom got bounce<=1 dupes of a given msg.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-13 14:45:28 asciilifeform: ... explicitly specified!!! model of net growth.
asciilifeform: ... explicitly specified!!! model of net growth.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-13 14:29:32 asciilifeform: this is part of the [file:///home/stas/pest/FD/b/pest_spec/pest.html#122-nets-instead-of-channels][explicitly specified!!!] model of net growth.
asciilifeform: this is part of the [file:///home/stas/pest/FD/b/pest_spec/pest.html#122-nets-instead-of-channels][explicitly specified!!!] model of net growth.
asciilifeform: ( you can of course join separate nets, operated via separate pestrons. this is explicitly not the item under discussion tho )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-13 13:12:22 asciilifeform: ... given that two previously-disjoint nets may merge , there can be nick collisions resulting from said merge w/out necessarily any malfeasance on anyone's part
asciilifeform: ... given that two previously-disjoint nets may merge , there can be nick collisions resulting from said merge w/out necessarily any malfeasance on anyone's part
asciilifeform: the entire pest algo is an attempt.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-12 19:32:10 asciilifeform: so far the only solution asciilifeform can think of, is 'pest is not for casualtards who don't have 24/7 fiber. if you don't have at home, get a box in a dc.'
asciilifeform: ^ this in re [http://verisimilitudes.net/2021-09-09][[verisimilitude's article], nought to do w/ pest
asciilifeform was planning to put worked examples of encrypt/decrypt in 5.2.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-12#1057809 << black packet's ciphertext is 444 byte, recall
asciilifeform: so far the only solution asciilifeform can think of, is 'pest is not for casualtards who don't have 24/7 fiber. if you don't have at home, get a box in a dc.'
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-11 11:52:56 asciilifeform: and, relatedly: if we have ACKs, then possibly oughta reject in-wot hearsay pertaining to a 'live' peer, categorically ? (how then define 'live' ? when to accept in-wot hearsay again ?)
asciilifeform: (this in re bitcoin strictly! not pest, lol)
signpost: and if your friends are all wrong about what tip of history is, you're fucked for reasons entirely other than pest-tronics
asciilifeform intended, in 'pest', to make a kind of 'construction kit' for interesting protocols -- can be extended for wot, warez, hypothetically even distributed video hosting, telephones, other exotica
asciilifeform not very happy with the current mechanism
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-12 12:16:13 signpost: asciilifeform: re-digesting pest. it comes to mind that were the station aware of wot ratings, it could weight the capacity it's willing to dedicate to each peering, but I think this is something to deal with once problem's had, if at all.
signpost: were one to implement a pest node with an interface from which to extract usage, and with which to adjust capacity allocations, the rest can be handled by some other program, as simple or complicated as one wants.
signpost: asciilifeform: re-digesting pest. it comes to mind that were the station aware of wot ratings, it could weight the capacity it's willing to dedicate to each peering, but I think this is something to deal with once problem's had, if at all.
billymg: ohh, ok i see now what you meant by "which section it's in" (one for irc-compat, one unique to pest)
billymg: asciilifeform: is there a reason behind using the command 'PRIVMSG' in pest instead of 'MSG'?
asciilifeform: if someone (e.g. billymg) ends up 'taking up the white man's burden' and teaching such folx to pest etc -- a++.
billymg: afaik same group happy to use keybase, protonmail, etc., sure, but imo they're the target demographic for vtrons and pestrc networks
asciilifeform: apropos, it'd be trivial to serve http (or a successor protocol) via pest.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-11 14:01:55 billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-10#1057421 << i enjoyed this, pretty good as a normie marketing campaign for pest too imo
punkman: signpost: if torrent-speed is needed, might as well bootstrap proper torrent connection through Pest
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-10#1057421 << i enjoyed this, pretty good as a normie marketing campaign for pest too imo
asciilifeform: and, relatedly: if we have ACKs, then possibly oughta reject in-wot hearsay pertaining to a 'live' peer, categorically ? (how then define 'live' ? when to accept in-wot hearsay again ?)
asciilifeform: (the AT is updated when a packet is received. and 'Ignore' packets will be received (tho i did not specify how often..) from every peer with a working connection)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-11 03:51:43 punkman: asciilifeform: I think a ping-pong mechanism might be useful for Pest. Case: I start station up, ping all peers in Wot, if X or Y doesn't answer, I can go and look for their new IP address. Case 2: I have received no messages for a couple hours, I do "/ping ALL" and see if any stations are still online, if I need to reconfigure something, etc
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-11#1057449 << this, otoh, is quite unnecessary, on account of the AT mechanism -- recall, [http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pest/pest_FE.html#22-peers-and-keys]['Additionally, at least one of the peers must have a routable, static address (here and below: IPv4 address and port, in a.b.c.d:p notation), and it must
punkman: asciilifeform: I think a ping-pong mechanism might be useful for Pest. Case: I start station up, ping all peers in Wot, if X or Y doesn't answer, I can go and look for their new IP address. Case 2: I have received no messages for a couple hours, I do "/ping ALL" and see if any stations are still online, if I need to reconfigure something, etc
asciilifeform: 'pest' is a basic shoelace variant of this.
bingoboingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/irc/comments/pkk3oz/irc_like_p2p_network_draft_spec_pest_v_0xfe/ << Not much to answer "This is so beautiful [heart eyes] So it's like the torrent or bitcoin, but minimal compared to RetroShare"
asciilifeform: with 'pest', in principle, yet other new things possible. starting with getting dulapnet the everliving permanent fuck off the central point of failure.
asciilifeform: signpost: will be handy for adding warez file transfer, trb block propagation, etc to pest.
asciilifeform must point out, for readers, that excluding traitors/reich agents/provocateurs from one's wot is a human problem, and rather outside the scope of pest or other algorithmic discussions
asciilifeform: there's no central-anything to 'get crowded' in pest.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: 1.2 -- 'Pest stations exchange authenticably-encrypted messages exclusively with an operator-configured set of peers...'
PeterL: also re Pest: you say to check against each key in random order, this is meant to mean you go through all keys or stop once you find a valid one? Or is that left to the implementation?
vex: I've had a cursory glance at pest description; sounbds like it might be useful for more than simply chitchat
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-06 23:51:10 asciilifeform: thimbronion: it is certainly possible to operate bots or guests through a station.
asciilifeform: unrelatedly to above, but pertinently to pest_FD draft : prolly oughta specify that operator can define irc 'guests' who can talk but not issue control cmds (and perhaps forcibly prefixed e.g. 'guest_' to their nick, or the like)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-06 23:51:10 asciilifeform: thimbronion: it is certainly possible to operate bots or guests through a station.
asciilifeform: unrelatedly to above, but pertinently to pest_FD draft : prolly oughta specify that operator can define [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-06#1056625][irc 'guests' who can talk but not issue control cmds (and perhaps forcibly prefixed e.g. 'guest_' to their nick, or the like)
asciilifeform: if to any reader of pest_FE the above does not make sense -- plox to write in!!
asciilifeform: while we're on pest_FE : there's another msg type asciilifeform did not include, but would like to discuss : rekeys.
asciilifeform: ( recall that messages are hash-chained )
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-07 09:30:53 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-07#1056636 << in orig. draft 0xFF was to simply require '#pest' but imho this is pointless. so in 0xFF we have 'any #....', was to say ('that fits in the 510 bytes of irc command') but didn't feel like calculating hard max, so gave 128.
cgra: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-07#1056648 << does it matter that the pest spec now allows spaces and commas in the channel name? not that i really think the operators weren't soon to find out their irc clients won't cooperate in such cases...
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-07 08:05:15 PeterL: asciilifeform: in the pest spec, section 4.1.1.9, "identical packet echoed back" refers to an identical "red packet", not an identical "black packet", yes? And would the "bounce" field be incremented in that case?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-07#1056636 << in orig. draft 0xFF was to simply require '#pest' but imho this is pointless. so in 0xFF we have 'any #....', was to say ('that fits in the 510 bytes of irc command') but didn't feel like calculating hard max, so gave 128.
PeterL: asciilifeform: in the pest spec, section 4.1.1.9, "identical packet echoed back" refers to an identical "red packet", not an identical "black packet", yes? And would the "bounce" field be incremented in that case?
cgra: asciilifeform: a couple of simplistic nitpick attempts re pest_FE
asciilifeform: thimbronion: it is certainly possible to operate bots or guests through a station.
asciilifeform: in any other case they will show up as a 'hearsay'.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: multiple nicks can certainly emerge from a given station. they can be aliases defined on receiver's end via AKA and then will show up as 'immediate' message ;
scoopbot: New post on Loper OS: "Pest" v. 0xFE.
scoopbot: New post on Loper OS: "Pest" v. 0xFF.
asciilifeform: it's the single sharpest knife in the toolkit imho
punkman: can take months with cheapest shipping options
vex: they get to pest proportions here
bonechewer: okay, maybe I am mis-using the word 'tempest', but do I at least understand the proposed threat model?
asciilifeform: bonechewer: traditionally 'tempest' refers to emissions of the ciphermachine per se.
bonechewer: sure, I would call that a TEMPEST attack: OTPtron screen displays message, phone listens to RF emanations and transmits to adversary. No?
bonechewer: asciilifeform: do I understand correctly that the threat model is: the adversary pwns your phone and uses it to mount a TEMPEST attack against the nearby OTPtron?
asciilifeform: it is entirely possible that the cheapest means of breaking 'cold' addrs is to find such collision.
adlai: if your wallet was so fragmented that your transaction fee for moving 100 btc is over 1 btc, then your usecase is probably the kind of system that is cheaper run if it hops between the cheapest shitcoin-du-jour anyway.
asciilifeform: the cheapest method, and one that doesn't even require shooting anyone, is to persuade 'weak hands' to do the dumping for you
signpost: yeah, but this time it's the fake estrogens and pesticide
asciilifeform: signpost: asciilifeform sweated out a lengthy (i suspect actual program may end up shorter..!) hypertext spec for (draft name) 'pestis', the p2p p2p 'final solution' to irc. still needs massage tho.
zx2c4: Did this survive the tempest?
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: this is an ancient pestilence in what passes for computing -- skeumorphism for instance.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-04-24 14:09:57 trinque: thestringpuller: hey, some guy was pestering me a while back about btc from 2014, said you sent him. recall, I was not running deedbot at the time, was punkman iirc.
trinque: thestringpuller: hey, some guy was pestering me a while back about btc from 2014, said you sent him. recall, I was not running deedbot at the time, was punkman iirc.
verisimilitude: I bought the left unit because my trackball is for right hands, and a one-hander was cheapest.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'when hiring an astrologer, hire the cheapest.' ideally propaganda oughta be short an' sweet.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: there aint all that many chorders to choose from. gboard seems to be the cheapest / most customizable of the current crop.
qonfluent: Exactly, it's a non-starter. Even the cheapest FPGA-to-silicon route is barely in reach for most companies, and comes with its own set of limitations.
adlai: so, at long last, the short straight simple answer to http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-10-30#1023837 is, with deepest regrets, "wrote, rather than just farted around with the ones that already exist? probably 2016"
adlai coughs into spittoon, kicks revolving door, and lases soundsystem until cheapest coil slips
trinque: feel free to pester me about it. I probably wont circle back to wallet improvements before this problem of using other people's shitty IRC servers is resolved.
adlai: meanwhile, in random lulz, nearest new supermarket has little cards on a few of the shelves with slogans along the lines of "tired of aunts pestering you at holiday dinners, asking when you'll get married? support another lockdown!"
asciilifeform: the current design also relies on a PIN diode, and the cheapest uv-optimized one i was able to make use of reliably is ~150$ in small qty.
feedbot: http://mvdstandard.net/2020/07/argentina-claiming-control-over-locust-plague-surviving-pests-remain-20-kilometers-from-border/ << The Montevideo Standard -- Argentina Claiming "Control" Over Locust Plague, Surviving Pests Remain ~20 Kilometers From Border
asciilifeform: superkuh: i actually have 1 of those, a+++ for pest control
asciilifeform: they were a pestilence in ye olde #t similarly
feedbot: http://mvdstandard.net/2020/06/plague-of-locusts-consuming-northern-argentina-and-uncomfortably-close-to-uruguay-finally-gets-conservative-pesticide-treatment/ << The Montevideo Standard -- Plague Of Locusts Consuming Northern Argentina And Uncomfortably Close To Uruguay Finally Gets Conservative Pesticide Treatment
feedbot: http://mvdstandard.net/2020/06/argentina-begins-pestering-britain-over-falklands-again-despite-ongoing-collapse/ << The Montevideo Standard -- Argentina Begins Pestering Britain Over Falklands Again Despite Ongoing Collapse
asciilifeform: there are other incentives to do it than 'it is cheapest method of getting any'
asciilifeform: quite obv. the cheapest place to break crypto is in the head of the implementer. so that's where they invest.
asciilifeform: superkuh: ever tried 'tempest'-style experiments with those wideband cones of yours ? seems to me that they're exactly Right Thing for picking up e.g. cpu from across street.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: leased opteron, yes; not via deedbot, no; just went according to "if not the right thing, than the cheapest thing".
asciilifeform: know, lobbes et al, that i dun have a posh '2nd chair' to offer to mutineers. all i got is irons, software, and isp that actually work. but i dun have, for instance, delish schnitzels. or harems, or budapests, or bags o'moolah .
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