cgra: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-04#1056475 << that asciilifeform's original "reported peers" is prolly good, because you wouldn't know about a particular node anyway, despite what is in trb's/prb's/any published code
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-04 13:33:36 billymg: or at least recently connected (though this would also mean it's a misnomer to refer to them as 'connected peers' as that implies currently connected)
cgra: what trb does though, for what i can tell, reports addrs at most 3h old (measured in "adjustedTime"). trb only updates active outbound peers' addr ages, not inbound. also, when a peer advertises addrs to trb, it will mostly accept the peer-provided addr ages as is, will just add a 2h extra to their age. i dunno if peers do this, but they could advertise 0-age addrs, and they would stay 1h in trb's report set.
cgra: i was wondering whether most trb nodes were running without malleus_mikehearnificarum, because i saw a lot of prb peers in their "connected" lists. but it's likely, because the trb ProcessMessages() will refresh an outbound addr age already on receiving "version", ie. before the prb peer gets banned. so prb node addrs keep staying fresh, as long as trb don't have 8 outbound peers.
cgra: i originally ran to this while trying to peer-seed my test node from a single trb node: all i was getting were prb nodes which were banned immediately, and i ended up with a single peer, the seeder
signpost: cgra: it's been a long time since I looked at trb's code for selecting peers, but as I recall it wasn't very smart.
signpost: it'd probably be dependent on nodes having uniquely identifying "station keys", but would be nice to have a node develop a sense of reputation of peers, such that the edges of the network graph thicken along the most useful peerings.
signpost: I'm hoping that perhaps a further generalization of asciilifeform and thimbronion's thing yields the substrate for ^
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-05#1056499 << updated. thanks for the feedback
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-05 11:25:31 cgra: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-04#1056475 << that asciilifeform's original "reported peers" is prolly good, because you wouldn't know about a particular node anyway, despite what is in trb's/prb's/any published code
cgra: signpost: re subrate, interesting thing to consider
asciilifeform: cgra: 1 of my noades in fact currently running w/out malleus, wanted to compare
asciilifeform: ( other, iirc, normal, unless i fatfingered it )
asciilifeform: imho malleus oughta be a cmdline flag.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-04#1056496 << plz see earlier thrd re your geiger.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-04 19:14:50 raw_avocado: Yo guys i finaly made a RNG
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-02 10:41:34 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-02#1055967 << geigers are by far not the worst way for makeshift rng (supposing you debias correctly and don't try to pretend that it's good for multi-kB/s somehow -- it aint, not even at chernobyl, on acct of tube deadtime)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-04#1056495 << indeed was ! the illustrative snippet was to be the FZ predicate! (mispaste in article -- coad is correct) please feel free to leave comment to ch4 if you feel like
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-04 18:31:23 jonsykkel: i guess its meant to be FZ_NZeroP
asciilifeform finds interesting that no previous reader noticed (or if noticed, said anyffin)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-04#1056463 << btw signpost , do you suppose it is possible to make the thing run w/out root privs ? what is needed for this ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-04 12:19:04 billymg: signpost: i tried out your pentacle thing, with it i was able to chroot in and build the vtools binaries. this time all of them built as static binaries, without me even needing to modify the orginal gpr files to add static flags
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-04#1056497 << lol in what sense, i'm curious, 'worx' ? strictly in that it eats mains current ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-04 19:15:13 raw_avocado: Its a dumb man version, it has some biases, and i dont have enough data to do all the tests i want, but worx
asciilifeform: raw_avocado: there's an old su joak re subj. 'scientists announce they have discovered a method to make black caviar from petroleum.' 'when can i buy this in the shop?' 'soon; spreading on bread -- already works! but as for eating, not quite yet...'
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-05#1056504 << could use considerable, imho, improvement. problem is that noades have no identities nor any means of authentication
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-05 11:53:22 signpost: cgra: it's been a long time since I looked at trb's code for selecting peers, but as I recall it wasn't very smart.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-05#1056505 << rright, loos like signpost already said. btw i implemented 'who-gave' specifically so that folx could curate their heathen-edge connections. asciilifeform did, at one time, then noticed that it made 0 diff , trb noades do not fall behind because poor edge graph, but because remote-wedgeability bugs, or net downtime, and even small 'behind' is difficult
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-05 11:54:32 signpost: it'd probably be dependent on nodes having uniquely identifying "station keys", but would be nice to have a node develop a sense of reputation of peers, such that the edges of the network graph thicken along the most useful peerings.
asciilifeform: to catch up.
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.023s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699183 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.031s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699183 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.089s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=699183
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.111s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699183
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.160s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699183
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.213s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699183
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.174s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699183
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.261s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699183
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.341s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699183
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.459s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=699183 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.659s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=699183
watchglass: 176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
jonsykkel: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-05#1056518 << u have a lot of students but only a single ATTENTIV and CAREFUL one
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-05 13:34:55 asciilifeform: finds interesting that no previous reader noticed (or if noticed, said anyffin)
asciilifeform: jonsykkel: well there's also cgra.
jonsykkel: ah
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, panzers !!
asciilifeform: thimbronion, signpost , et al : asciilifeform's p2p spec, v. 0xFF.
asciilifeform: questions/comments invited.
thimbronion reads
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: left a comment on your www linking to same, for reference
scoopbot: New post on Loper OS: "Pest" v. 0xFF.
asciilifeform in particular hopes that folx can think of ways to make this item *simpler* w/out losing essential functionality. presently it is rather gnarly.