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(trilema) mircea_popescu: and this nonsense of offering faux meaningless choice a la kochpgp is unwelcome and shouldn't be perpetuated. keys are 4kb and forget about it.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-06-13 15:17 mircea_popescu: and this model ENTIRELY explains all of the "luminaries". werner koch worked the feeder-chumper cycle. stallman worked the feeder-chumper cycle. curtis yarvin worked the etcetera.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: this incidentally is a very undiscussed topic, suspiciously. what is the effect of generating BOTH the padding for a message and the key that's used on the same... historical debian / kochatron /etcv
(trilema) mircea_popescu is sick of "famous people" like of crab apples. let them sit in some other latrine with their "oh i lost my pgp key 20 years ago" zimmerman and their "i dedicate my life to raising impudent street urchins as if they were white people" bernstein and their "oh hi, rng ?" koch and their "o btw, i lied about that laptop" rms everything else.
(trilema) asciilifeform: trinque: consider, i am not 'fixing' kochpgp
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( how long we've been stuck with the kochtron, after knowing what it is ! disgraceful )
(trilema) asciilifeform: mp-en-managua: spoiler: it's a python skin on (yes, via shell, per packet..!) koch gpg
(trilema) mircea_popescu: koch's styill can, i'm, sure.
(trilema) asciilifeform: motherfucking kochs.
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the koch episode was actually illustrative of the futility of 'just fix /dev/random'. it'd have done ~zero~ against the koch rng poisoning thing.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: seeing how the alternative is koch-hashes.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: and this model ENTIRELY explains all of the "luminaries". werner koch worked the feeder-chumper cycle. stallman worked the feeder-chumper cycle. curtis yarvin worked the etcetera.
(trilema) sina notes to search the logs for koch tomorrow
(trilema) mircea_popescu: gpg is slated for a rewrite, actually, since it became obvious koch's a dedicated saboteur.
(trilema) Framedragger: https://recon.cx/2014/slides/Recon%202014%20Skochinsky.pdf << nothing new, but sat down to read some slides about teh backdoor in question, more technical details, decent overview imho. "slides" because info needs to be patched up from proprietary intel SDKs etc etc
(trilema) asciilifeform: btw i'm still waiting to meet an explanation re how 'blinding' (e.g., koch's) supposed countermeasure to timing attack, is supposed to help.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: to briefly revisit kochanski, "I was subsequently elected to the post of Research Secretary of the Bow Group, which meant that I was the general editor of its published papers from 1989 to 1990. My abiding impression of the foothills of the Conservative Party at the time is of a world where people eyed their friends suspiciously and if they saw signs of possible talent then they knifed them before they became a danger. Perha
(trilema) mircea_popescu: "Instead, the effort that could have been spent on securing the system was spent on public relations. The firm claimed that the attack could work only on our own copy of Fortress (in fact, it could work with any copy at all because it deduced the key from the data on the disk)." << from kochanski's (ancient) piece on comedy of commercial encryption software. the shamans still falling into same pits today, of course, as seen
(trilema) asciilifeform: i dun recall koch calling recv() ever
(trilema) mircea_popescu: BenBE yes, but here's the extra step : not only do i know koch is an evil shithead who dedicates his time doing evil. i also say it.
(trilema) BenBE: I asked W.Koch about the PRNG about 2 years prior to the break last year. And even then it had been know for years before that, that the PRNG is phishy but nobody cared to actually step forward and rip it open.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: it is deliberately constructed to weaken rsa ; take the recent http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22sha%22+gpg "sha fails, koch-gpg fingerprints are meaningless", which had been foretold here for... years.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: BenBE trouble is we're moving away from the inept koch standard.
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640108 << i wonder if we hit some hidden koch limit
(trilema) mircea_popescu: koch is not some coder, he's a sad fuck who lies about where he gets the code.
(trilema) jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Heckler & Koch VP70 - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%2526_Koch_VP70>; Hk VP70 The gun that changed it all - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D0Wq5_3rkqd8>; Heckler & Koch's Historic VP70 - Tactical Life: <http://www.tactical-life.com/firearms/heckler-koch-historic-vp70/>
(trilema) mircea_popescu: the above being the ENTIRETY of "usg cyberwarfare capacity" by the way. that it got idiots (schneier, koch, weimer etc), to write software that sets p as password everywhere independent of user input and then ten million imbecile lusers to use that "because it's what everyone does" where everyone is so defined to exclude everyone sane.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: the only hostis humani generis are the anonymous usg tools. the gavin-koch-weimer-boeck-younameit.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: no i know. the point being - insanity contradicts expectation. i'm not importing koch.
(trilema) asciilifeform: re 'open sores', even a ~very~ small gadget, and in fact one that started life as a stand-alone library: mpi (bignum) piece of gpg 1.4, was quite astonishingly painful to properly saw off the kochball
(trilema) asciilifeform looks forward to the demolition of koch-pgp.
(trilema) asciilifeform: idiot kochism.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: which is why the republican strategy in sociopolitical cryptography is to isolate the nsa assets - the kochs and dreppers and schneiers + a bevy of small fry boecks etc. let them sit on hacker news and upvote each other to death, but otherwise, outside of the usg reservation, they may not opine and they may not be used as reference.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dreppers and kochs and bears oh my
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not that STEM even is salvageable from the imperial ruins, riddled with nsa stoolies like koch, overfitters like mann and the entirety of 'social sciences'
(trilema) asciilifeform: http://openpgp.org/software <<< aaaah apparently not only koch liquishit but 'here pick from this long list of shitwares, ALL GREAT!111'
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it needs tmsr-rsa (i ain't releasing anything with aes or koch's idiocy)
(trilema) asciilifeform: certainly nobody's hardwarizing koch's bucked of'liquishit.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: im sure koch got >1k and IM FUCKING SURE microsoft is worse than any "anti-gay-marriage racists" out there.
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 21:50 mircea_popescu: and then koch wants to go around pretending like he's one of us.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: and then koch wants to go around pretending like he's one of us.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: but in general speaking, usg.koch blessed us with an idiocy which has to be resolved somehow.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: ie, the reason koch-gpg-clearsing worked ok for us for a long time is that while flawed as alf correctly (and repeatedly for a year now) points out, nevertheless its hole falls atop a hole of v, namely that it doesn't do "-----"
(trilema) mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform : as a palleative : could we actually just fucking edit koch-rsa so that "----" rather than "-" becomes a symbol and deploy this on deedbot ?
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:46 asciilifeform: btw for folx who are thick as a brick i will point out, that i SPECIFICALLY DO NOT WANT vdiff's '---' turned by idiot koch liquishit into '- ---'
(trilema) asciilifeform: btw for folx who are thick as a brick i will point out, that i SPECIFICALLY DO NOT WANT vdiff's '---' turned by idiot koch liquishit into '- ---'
(trilema) mircea_popescu: that the niggers won't listen to usg is one thing - they get the TB treatment (body reaction to koch's bacile is to build walls, literally of calcar, around bacile ghettos in the lungs). who cares, 10% of the pop and concentrated in the poor south / poor urban areas. but by now the hippies don't listen either ? young whites ? that's becoming dangerous.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: suppose what's his face with the blog shows up, +rates koch and that other idiot, and -rates you and mod6
(trilema) mircea_popescu: one particular angle would be that if we generate republic-rsa keys (see http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524210 eg) as opposed to koch-rsa keys then yes eulora server will have to dump its privately maintained wot to deedbot periodically ; but on the upside we get very cheap transition to the new format while maintaining all the backwards compatibility one could want.
(trilema) asciilifeform: notice the several ways koch fucked it
(trilema) asciilifeform: koch's shitball per se is written in such a way that the cruft is glued on with broken glass (all the ciphers are modularized in very gnarly multilayered way, whole thing relies through and through on his weirdo streams thing, 1,001 idiocies)
(trilema) mircea_popescu: now, the one hold-up here is that we've not yet settled on an universal-fingerprinting-function and we don't like how the koch-rsa fingerprinting works
(trilema) mircea_popescu: even the notion of "expire" as implemented in gpg.koch is nonsense. should be replaced with "disused", as in, "i took it out of deedbot and am not using it anymore"
(trilema) asciilifeform: and meanwhile, '"The Web-of-Trust is a geek's instrument", "Hard to explain" says Werner Koch'
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do not regard the now-explicit cooperation of koch with boeck as uninteresting.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: no need to force people to sks ; not like we're supporting the kochabomination
(trilema) mircea_popescu: but the bullshit koch does ; or blizzard does ; or app development or etc ain't it
(trilema) asciilifeform: neither does koch's not-sks.
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://gnupg.org/blog/20160830-web-key-service.html << koch grunts again to push folks to gpg2. this time, by 'obsoleting' sks.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: considering we have millions of keys, and considering the sort of shenanigans we've seen currently, including werner koch's gpg subversion most recently ; it would not be inconceivable at this point if a good chunk - thousands, hundreds of thousands of keys can actually be factored once we figure out which exact 20, 30, whatever bits are actual entropy , and how the nextprime is chosen on the basis of that.
(trilema) asciilifeform: yes, that koch.
(trilema) asciilifeform: 'GnuPG maintainer Werner Koch presented the Sunday keynote at GUADEC 2016 in Karlsruhe, Germany. He used the session to push back against the present trends in Internet architecture ... '
(trilema) mircea_popescu: so wait, wait, if "nobody's key got compromised" then koch bug was no bug ?
(trilema) mircea_popescu: Framedragger the problem here is moreover default trust. so you wake up one day and you see... "gnupg". nomina nuda. you look around, theres' "werner koch" idem, nomina nuda. you look, there's "tor" with "shari" and "isis". names, hollow as can be. but the natural tendency of the brain, to see movement in a succession of stills and meaning in noise and structure in names convinces you these are THINGS.
(trilema) asciilifeform: phf: koch, drepper, weimer (yes, i shit thee not, all three participated, grep for them in the credits) took great care to make this job as painful as can be.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: first case of koch-gpg / openshit-ssh keys sharing a factor. pity it's such a lulzy one, HOWEVER, it does make the "sks error" nonsense just a little more lulzy.
(trilema) asciilifeform: i'd be quite surprised if any of the participants (other than, perhaps, koch) even suspected there were any such thing as us.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: soo... https://www.google.com/search?q=werner+koch&tbs=qdr:w << is google serving me special pages or does anyone else see trilema leadign there ?
(trilema) asciilifeform: 'I _might_ have introduced the hole to mix in more bytes in each step. Or it was a plain bug.' -- koch.
(trilema) asciilifeform: though funnily enough koch didn't pump ~that~ entropy from the whitened pool
(trilema) asciilifeform: koch et al did a thorough job gluing the nonsense on with broken glass.
(trilema) asciilifeform: (other than further spew to hang koch by)
(trilema) mircea_popescu: turns out EVERYTHING phuctor found comes straight from usg.koch
(trilema) mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/werner-koch-confirmed-usg-stooge/ << admire the FF FF pairs, among other things.
(trilema) asciilifeform: and this isn't even the koch scenario.
(trilema) mod6: <@deedbot> http://trilema.com/2016/werner-koch-confirmed-usg-stooge/ << Trilema - Werner Koch, confirmed USG stooge << mod this shit up
(trilema) asciilifeform: (why a pool? why whiten at all? ask koch.)
(trilema) asciilifeform: afaik koch didn't use zimmerman's code.
(trilema) asciilifeform: and koch wants people to download ~entire tarball~ of src and rebuild ?
(trilema) asciilifeform: how long, i wonder, has koch been dead.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: "This patch also fixes a memory leak of opt.keyserver en passant." << first rule of koch, drepper, weiner & all nsa goons : ALWAYS bundle new vulns with memory leak fixes etc.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: jurov apparently it was already reported. kochmanski says 159 (fixed 16.1.2)
(trilema) asciilifeform: but how is the fungus man 'smooth' ? as far as i can see, he is one gigantic wrinkle, like a von koch snowflake
(trilema) decimation: mats: the Kochs are universally reviled by the east coast set
(trilema) mats: I tend to think of the Kochs when 'elite' comes to mind
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "The process favored those with the most time, as meetings tended to drag out for hours" "Some called it “feminist process,” for it seemed to embody feminist ideals of participation, inclusion, and egalitarianism. " << some derps sit around and derp while other people are making decisions and setting the wheels in motion. is it any wonder that the kochs always win and occupy always loses?
(trilema) ascii_field: https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2015-May/053644.html << koch claims that memory corruption can result in 1) corrupted key that is 2) has valid (!!!) signature. this is an insult to every intelligent reader and beneath contempt.
(trilema) mod6: looks like that part of the code hasn't changed since the initial checkin of the code back in nov. of 97: committer Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:06:00 +0000 (14:06 +0000) 5393dd53c5e06f0458949217317601b2eaed8350 http://git.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=gnupg.git;a=commit;h=5393dd53c5e06f0458949217317601b2eaed8350
(trilema) decimation: pete_dushenski & asciilifeform : what about the koch brothers building their own western town in the middle of nowhere colorado
(trilema) mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i do not know enough about koch to say < i do. he's old. this is a game for men, not for codgers.
(trilema) asciilifeform: i do not know enough about koch to say whether he is likely to become a post-usg sovereign who might conceivably carry out experiments with artificial fucktopias
(trilema) decimation: even if herr koch wanted to create a 'functional german hamlet' from ukraine, (for instance), how could he possibly do it without making it like disneyland?
(trilema) assbot: Billionaire Bill Koch's new Colorado town is a private Old West marvel - The Denver Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXq7Ky )
(trilema) mircea_popescu: i don't share the power rangers' suspicions of Werner Koch.
(trilema) asciilifeform: 'petertodd jrayhawk: it's interesting how more than one tor dev I've spoken too firmly believes Werner Koch - gnupg maintainer - is a NSA/BND plant with the goal of ensuring gnupg remains unusable (e.g. strong opposition to any attempt to make it into a library)'
(trilema) BingoBoingo: decimation: I think of Denton more as the mirror image of the Koch Brothers, but that's a very imperfect correspondence.
(trilema) BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: >> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7% << I've met 8 of these surnames
(trilema) mats_cd03: >> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7%
(trilema) chetty: Ethiopia Chelelektu Kochere//hipster junks
(trilema) nubbins`: mircea_popescu if you didn't have coffee since 2004, you'd probably be surprised that your local shop now offers Ethiopia Chelelektu Kochere instead of "medium roast"
(trilema) mircea_popescu: "Kochanski’s botched transcripts include the 2010 mortgage-fraud trial of Aaron Hand, who was also convicted of trying to hire a hit man to take out a witness against him."
(trilema) jcpham: tyson got bought by koch
(trilema) herbijudlestoids: www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/koch-brothers-palm-springs-donor-list
(trilema) ozbot: Norwegian student Kristoffer Koch buys $27 in bitcoin in 2009, now he owns an apartment |
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