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asciilifeform: cazalla: posted as comment.
decimation: asciilifeform: I like how he just keeps applying more solder
asciilifeform: 'attract relevant customers' << gold
asciilifeform: implication - must carefully repel irrelevant customers
asciilifeform: like us.
decimation: also note he isn't actually soldering anything together
kakobrekla: dafuq do you know, maybe you need to bridge two pins together with a diode hanging for no reason to make it work
asciilifeform: piece of shit has attracted far more attention from actual people than ever deserved
asciilifeform: and that woman is probably planted on a solid gold toilet as we speak
asciilifeform: while good men die.
decimation: maybe they have some secret new technique for joining circuitry with solder bridges
decimation: asciilifeform: the page I linked above does list her prominent bezzle connections
asciilifeform: 'SheSquad' ?!?!?!
asciilifeform: shesquat.
decimation: asciilifeform: http://countersignal.tumblr.com/post/102817028423/i-keep-telling-people-to-look-at-where-things-come << I didn't realize that usg/nato were responsible for 'cultural marxism'
assbot: zang tumb tumbl — i keep telling people to look at where things come... ... ( http://bit.ly/1EUfneS )
decimation: I suppose this is what became "resistance through culture"
assbot: Modern art was CIA 'weapon' - World - News - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1EUg7kj )
asciilifeform: above article (fairly well-known) omits one important role
asciilifeform: turd-art as a bezzle altcoin
decimation: that's an interesting point. it would 'have value' even behind the iron curtain
asciilifeform: canvas, the original altcoin for the lizard lords.
decimation: in the middle ages, trade in 'relics' was pretty much the same thing
asciilifeform: mostly small-time chumps there
decimation: perhaps the religion of the age can be identified by its idol trade
asciilifeform: but the lizard who buys a $40m rembrandt is not a fool, he knows he can get $50 next year
asciilifeform: this is why an art forget should be regarded, by sane folks, as a hero
asciilifeform: *forger
decimation: especially if the forgery is the ugly canvas-vomit of some drunken fag-hag
asciilifeform: every mouse, every rat, gnawing on the sacks in which bezzle lords safely squirrel away their wealth - is doing good work.
decimation: of course, 'forging' the work of old masters (imitating it openly) is also virtuous
asciilifeform: let a thousand synthetic diamonds bloom.
decimation: now if only we could forge yachts and Manhattan condos
asciilifeform: well, in fact, 'we' can
decimation: how's that?
asciilifeform: try buy $1b 'of them' and notice that most of the resulting 'ownership' is physically-inaccessible leveraged crud
asciilifeform: i.e. bezzle.
assbot: U.S. Should Quit $100 Bill to Stop N. Korea Counterfeiting | TIME.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1EUhO10 )
asciilifeform: 'ban the benjie' << mega-lol
decimation: asciilifeform: the story and the source indicates the idea-balloon has been floated
decimation: 'only an enemy of the state would use cash'
BingoBoingo: Eh, US will probably have to bring back Woodrow Wilson bills sometime these next couple decades
asciilifeform: zimbabwinners.
BingoBoingo: Gotta bribe the tribal chiefs with something
assbot: I will soon put the finger that fell off in the poker tournament on eBay for sale
asciilifeform: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
asciilifeform: entirely dead.
kakobrekla: works here
decimation: dead for me
assbot: Qntra.net | Bitcoin News, Views & Commentary ... ( http://bit.ly/1EUjfwA )
kakobrekla: try bitly
kakobrekla: no cigar lolwtf
asciilifeform: 'could not be loaded'
kakobrekla: mebbe cause im whitelisted
kakobrekla: yup, tried from de, no luck
cazalla: dead here :\
kakobrekla: well i can read it for you
asciilifeform: finger that fell off in the poker tournament << leprosy ?
kakobrekla: here is the latest comment http://dpaste.com/0A3QQFC.txt
decimation: > It is certainly amazing how technology and commerce allow mass production of plastic spoons to be sold for three cents apiece, well worth the time and convenience they save me. However, all centrally planned green policies and their wannabe implementers always assign zero value for other people's time and convenience. Since the left instinctively despises everything that gives normal people more time, freedom or material wealth,
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
decimation: they have always hated suburbs, nuclear power, shopping malls, automobiles... and plastics, which could not exist under a centrally planned green economy. I would therefore like to ask all my readers to take a look around them and note everything plastic, and then say a quiet "thank you" to the right-wingers who made it possible for everything that Brutopians consider "wasteful" to exist at all. << Herr Kokkarinen
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assbot: National Guard troops will hit St. Louis city's streets in secondary role : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkLVj9 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13030 @ 0.00086038 = 11.2108 BTC [+]
cazalla: BingoBoingo, when is the grand jury decision due?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: No set date, but... probably happening soon
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assbot: Pants Up Don't Loot Ferguson Billboard | Indiegogo ... ( http://bit.ly/1xKTXQ5 )
mircea_popescu: !up Guest154
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform undata http://trilema.com/2014/between-the-hammer-and-the-anvil/ << there, you inspired me.
assbot: Between the hammer and the anvil… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xizrHF )
assbot: mcxNow Says it is Becoming mtMOX | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xiAabR )
punkman: "I'll be willing to complete the beta as quickly as possible if people want to donate some BTC to me, this way I can show the wife it's more like a job than a hobby. As to the amount, I think 250BTC would be enough to get her off my back"
punkman: lol
assbot: Wife acceptance factor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYGLKH )
mircea_popescu: hahahaah what ?
mircea_popescu: punkbot tell this man's wife 0.1 BTC and tits already.
mircea_popescu: hm. no more notary ?
punkman: all that uptime, I must make it disconnect more
mircea_popescu: punkman no i mean, back to being punkbot
punkman: yeah I mean it'd change back to notary if it disconnects, but otherwise not smart enough yet
mircea_popescu: "It will be as revolutionary as mcxNOW was originally in 2013." << i clearly missed out on yet another biggestfirstbest revolution
mircea_popescu: what was this thing ?
punkman: some derpxchange
mircea_popescu: o wait, realsolid's latest scam.
mircea_popescu: 16 people in #mtMOX heh.
BingoBoingo: Yes, the Bitcoin to shitcoin thing
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust Realsolid
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Realsolid: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Realsolid | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Realsolid | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: we raided!
BingoBoingo: Yeah, I'll lurk until I see a response
mircea_popescu: i enjoyed the article lol.
mircea_popescu had no idea how great a qntra will be until qntra was finally made, and now he's like... omfg how did i live before.
BingoBoingo: Thanks, benefit of having last November's mcxNAO article I wrote to crib off of.
mircea_popescu: So people are asking what is happening with MicroCash, especially in regards to me. There are 2 problems I ran into in late May. 1) Needing to make some money 2) Lack of motivation
mircea_popescu: lmao i 1) know! 2) let's make 3) a 4) list.
mircea_popescu: IT'S FUN! ANYONE CAN DO IT!
BingoBoingo: To think that the Ad platform was going to come before a place to park an ad platform!
mircea_popescu: I know people think "one day" SolidCoin/MicroCash will be worth a lot but it's hard to sell that to a wife as I'm sure some of you may be aware! <<< actually, it's difficult to sell that generally.
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0TV4YRD.txt )
mircea_popescu: 4. CH releases article "Solidcoin Ready For Bitcoin Collapse".
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha oh the precious. reminds me of all the forum ninnies getting ready for "mp's extradition!11"
BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/01TD6GH << Looky their reaction
assbot: dpaste: 01TD6GH: #mtmox raid!!! ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYJLa4 )
assbot: SolidCoin is ready for Bitcoin collapse ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYJPq9 )
mircea_popescu: foir the terminally curious.
assbot: Bitcoin Ninja ... ( http://bit.ly/1uCYjJw )
mircea_popescu: #bitcoin-wizards ?!
mircea_popescu: oh that thing. mkay.
punkman: Aight, I put on my robe and wizard hat.
assbot: Logs for #bitcoin-wizards | BotBot.me [o__o] ... ( http://bit.ly/1uCYHrl )
mircea_popescu: as far as i can tell, a sort of wanna-be -assets minus the cool stuff.
assbot: mcxNow Says it is Becoming mtMOX: Can RealSolid Count to 3? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYL7Sc )
mircea_popescu: "What would government involvement in Bitcoin look like? Well one of their first goals would be to let the project stagnate. The disappearance of the founder "Satoshi" and appointment of Gavin Andresen, someone who has publicly admitted he doesn't want much to change in Bitcoin allows us to see one big reason for stagnation." << from the solidcoin derpage.
mircea_popescu: clearly, "stagnation" is what the progressive state wants out of things :D
mircea_popescu: "After developing numerous sites and businesses using Bitcoin, those of us now involved with SolidCoin saw major problems. Massive flaws in interfacing with the Bitcoin network forced us to use numerous work-arounds, using nearly all of our decades long experience as computer scientists."
mircea_popescu: luckily, he has some of the decades left, it's not all used.
mircea_popescu: that thing's such a gem, i had forgotten.
mircea_popescu: "numerous sites and businsesses yo!"
mircea_popescu: anyway, let the record reflect that yes, there was a point in 2011 when gavin was sane.
mircea_popescu: "We wondered why nobody fixed the issues and made things easier for the many out there that aren't computer engineers. After some discussion with a few of the developers we came away completely surprised. They thought, and still do, Bitcoin is fine and very little needs to change."
mircea_popescu: "On top of this the recent release of SolidCoin has highlighted another problem in the Bitcoin protocol. It it susceptible to a drop off in "mining power", which is essentially the people who process transactions switching to more profitable things such as SolidCoin."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: it will be a 'temporary relocation center' to them, even when the shower heads start hissing out the zyklon. <<< well, as tal said to pete, "what's my incentive to interact with reality ?"
mircea_popescu: decimation: mike_c: "To enforce the law one must be above the reach of the law" is pretty much the US m.o. since... Nixon at least << nah, Nixon was actually trying to clean house, was pushed out by those who are above the law << what, he gets points for trying ? there's better ways to clean things up than sending spooks to derp in offices.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00078865 = 18.9276 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: decimation: "The Brazilification of society can be a samba carnival assuming you approach it the right way, and most importantly, get to live on the pleasant side of the barbed wire fence." <<< this has been exactly my experience to date.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ^ #b-a search is broken. why am i seeing text that does not contain the literal word 'structuring' ? <<< mthreat's thing has a stemmer.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00078865 = 7.8865 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: durian is a weapon of mass destruction <<< you thinking Duriel ?
assbot: Melanie Shapiro's CryptoLabs Launches GSM Enabled Hardware Wallet With Camera | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYRbdd )
mircea_popescu: ""We are the most secure option because we're a piece of dedicated hardware. We use multi-sig authentication. There are three keys and each of those keys is stored in a different location.""
mircea_popescu: i don't get this braindamage. "we're the most secure option because you don't actually own your keys" ?
mircea_popescu: decimation: also here's her PhD: http://shesquad.com/melanie-shapiro/ "Dr. Melanie Shapiro holds a PhD in Consumer Behavior and specializes in customer acquisition, branding strategy and digital marketing. " <<< ahh this chan delivers.
assbot: Melanie Shapiro, Ph.D. | SheSquad ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYS05M )
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: dafuq do you know, maybe you need to bridge two pins together with a diode hanging for no reason to make it work <<< this is how i used to solder things!
mircea_popescu: punkman ever get the impression that everyone's really working on the same thing ?
punkman: all the time
mircea_popescu: if they dropped the act and just got together maybe they';d finish it and then we could ignore an actual thing
mircea_popescu: rather than a lot of peri-blather.
mircea_popescu: assbot: U.S. Should Quit $100 Bill to Stop N. Korea Counterfeiting <<< yeah, THAT is why they'll quit it lmao
mircea_popescu: in other news, overweight redditards don't go out of the house for fear of rapists. not as you might imagine, for lack of long enough tanktracks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00078944 = 18.8676 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: decimation: I would therefore like to ask all my readers to take a look around them and note everything plastic, and then say a quiet "thank you" to the right-wingers <<< imo that argument fails on pretty much all the angles.
mircea_popescu: aside the obvious objection that "right wingers" have nothing to do with all this, and aside the spurious conflation of plastics and nuclear power,
mircea_popescu: on one hand three cents is an insane price to pay for a plastic spoon. those things go for about a bitcoin a ton. so whatever, 500 satoshi each ?
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, outside some very narrow applicaitons such as i dunno, oversized icecream cones, i don't actually use nor would i want to use a plastic spoon. because what for ? do i need it to eat my campaign flan and i'm too far from an actual table with actual cutlery or something ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i'm gonna need to see your ID if you intend to purchase plastic knives for use in australia http://gunsnfreedom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/knives-in-australia.jpg
punkman: cazalla, lol
mircea_popescu: see, it's stupidities of this sort that make me never want to visit places.
punkman: do they probe your ass if you want to buy a metal knife?
mircea_popescu: da fuck, pay money to go be somewhere where they want your id for plastic knives ?
cazalla: punkman, they'll arrest you for carrying a knife unless you happen to have a fishing rod with you, are a chef.. some "legitimate excuse" for having a knife in other words
mircea_popescu: what's the crime ?
mircea_popescu: "possession of man's tools" ?
punkman: I remember buying bread knife in UK, cashier advised "don't open it before you get home"
mircea_popescu remebers buying machete in costa rica, from roadside shop
punkman: was impossible to open plastic packaging without second knife anyway
cazalla: mircea_popescu, knives are a controlled weapon here, self defence is no excuse! in fact, worst excuse one can have
mircea_popescu: i suppose the 10 buns in a package producer lobby is working as we speak to make the bread knife illegal.
cazalla: technically, you can't even carry a screwdriver unless legitimate reason
punkman: they should ban clothes, could use them to strangle people
mircea_popescu: cazalla is this in fact just giving the police ample room to hassle obnoxious teenagers ?
cazalla: prolly, never heard of anyone being arrested for this sort of shit but prob happens from time to time
assbot: Hardfork Wishlist - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYWxoV )
cazalla: i wonder if boomerangs are illegal
mircea_popescu: bitcoin.it becoming ever more relevant.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1003 @ 0.0012 = 1.2036 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: you have a new fan BingoBoingo, see your latest article
mircea_popescu: here's a good one, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, whoever else can follow the logic :
mircea_popescu: "Elimination of output scripts: all transactions pay-to-scripthash, probably with a single byte indicating the scripthash type. Other than reducing effective output script secrecy (which is not possible without OP_EVAL anyways) this is believed to be costless, and the secrecy can be recovered with recursive OP_EVAL. The motivation here is that data in outputs is far more expensive than inputs because some outputs may b
mircea_popescu: e never prunable, and pay-to-scripthash minimizes output size without harming total size."
cazalla: anyway zzz, needed a beer after installing gentoo and trying to install xfce, throws all these USE flags required and other shit, mircea_popescu recommended for noobs my ass, i'll smash the laptop
mircea_popescu: sorry c man. but think about it like the girl thinks of her virginity
mircea_popescu: it only hurts once.
mircea_popescu: after that, it itches.
mircea_popescu: and since doing this, bitcoin foundation (the actual one) may get a lol at just how sparse this is : https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Prohibited_changes
assbot: Prohibited changes - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYY6TI )
mircea_popescu: maybe an idea to make a proper list ?
assbot: Possible way to make a very profitable 50 plus ish attack for pools? | Bitcointa.lk ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYZ5TY )
mats_cd03: !t s.mpoe
assbot: Your actions are useless.
mats_cd03: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00053723 / 0.00069892 / 0.00086038 (205930 shares, 143.93 BTC), 7D: 0.00036402 / 0.00050195 / 0.00086038 (6274449 shares, 3,149.47 BTC), 30D: 0.00036402 / 0.00066341 / 0.00086038 (21990024 shares, 14,588.49 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2175 @ 0.00077616 = 1.6881 BTC [-]
mats_cd03: aaaand s.mpoe is back
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mats_cd03: "I am the OG here."
assbot: Charles Manson gets wedding license | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vlCKPy )
mats_cd03: awesome
assbot: 2002 Breeders' Cup betting scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zzAUIS )
danielpbarron: !up Gassho
danielpbarron: oh hi there!
Gassho: ty hi going to nap bye
Gassho falls asleep before napping
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00076976 = 20.8605 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00076772 = 6.8711 BTC [-]
Gassho: :D
assbot: Harry Reid Wants To Attach Part Of SOPA To Surveillance Reform Bill | Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/1uqpaH5 )
assbot: Old scammers going to continue scamming http://t.co/H33pMaUObw /TheRealSolid /hashtag/mtmox?src=hash
asciilifeform: maybe you need to bridge two pins together with a diode << someone did not grasp 'solder bridge.'
asciilifeform: which is the solder equivalent of a child's ink blot
asciilifeform: at the physical scale seen in the picture - a mistake from not knowing wtf one is doing
asciilifeform: 'hardfork wishlist' - 'Improved signature types to allow for partial malleability of outputs. (e.g. make it easier to add a fee onto someone else's transaction, or to take fees from a transaction without outputs set aside for that purpose)' << mega-lol!
asciilifeform: come to think of it, is there anything on that list that isn't either entirely inconsequential -or- a total atrocity ?
asciilifeform: !s Shannon Larratt
asciilifeform: what's a 'bme' anyway?
asciilifeform: tattoo artist ?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu i was once astonished to learn that the 'one is overwhelmingly likely to be a gut bacterium' argument outlined in note iii of your article is not taught to modern children as a fallacy, but as a moral (!) imperative, called 'rawlsian veil of ignorance.'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Tattoos, piercing, cutting, assorted minor surgeries
asciilifeform: http://gizmodo.com/5895555/i-have-a-magnet-implant-in-my-finger << only genuinely interesting example i can recall
assbot: I Have a Magnet Implant In My Finger ... ( http://bit.ly/1t90uPp )
asciilifeform does not have or want magnet under skin
asciilifeform: !s pgp tattoo
asciilifeform: (are those still in fashion?)
asciilifeform always wondered, in that spirit, if there exist folks with 'useful' tattoos, e.g., one that turns you into a 'human slide rule'
assbot: To all those tired of social degeneracy from cops, hippies and welfare leeches: if /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash gets bombed you can get all three at once.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu with regard to the 'abuse of statistical devices' outlined in note iii, the accomplished master of the art is a fellow named yudkowsky (search #b-a log). he isn't an idiot, bastard knows exactly what he's doing, and his cult is a veritable vacuum trap for thinking folks
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Launching in 2015: A Certificate Authority to Encrypt the Entire Web | Electronic Frontier Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1t93k6Y )
asciilifeform: applying statistical (or otherwise) counterfactuals to an actual reality is a mistake of the same elementary scope as division by zero, or direct conversion of metres to grams - but for some reason which entirely escapes me, this is not obvious to people
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: RIP EFF.
BingoBoingo: Seems to be the case
asciilifeform: herr yudkowsky has quite a bit to answer for, including, iirc, inventing the 'simulation argument' brought up by the dead tattooist.
asciilifeform: (why no mention of the suicide weapon in the post? or did i miss it. what a disappointment. 'pics or it didn't happen!')
BingoBoingo: Perhaps he sought to put beads where beads ought not be put?
BingoBoingo: I dunno. All of these Jew names.
assbot: Shannon Larratt is Zentastic › Finita, la commedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1t94HCT )
asciilifeform can't be arsed to read again
asciilifeform: incidentally, 'rawlsian veil', as i later found out, happens to be one of the dark elephants on which the entire satanic edifice of 'enlightenment' stands
asciilifeform: that is, 'slavery is bad mmkay because what if you were a slave'
asciilifeform: or 'include dead baby in life expectancy stats because what if you'd keeled over as a baby'
asciilifeform: as for why they don't include gut bacterium, while it seems like a logical implication - the core idiocy is something once called 'inner light doctrine', where 'humans' (as defined situationally, by the sc4mz0r, but generally rolling up all shaved apes) are 'special'
asciilifeform: and the rawlsian lottery is presumed to include only them
BingoBoingo: If this lottery were a think, gut bacterium probably wouldn't be the worst outcome. At least gut bacterium lack the faculties to realizes it is going to die for the cause of turdbuilding.
asciilifeform: i tentatively buy moldbug's argument that this is a specifically christian atavism (the hindus, for instance, make no such exception, and cheerfully proclaim that one is quite likely to 'reincarnate' as a bacterium)
asciilifeform: whether or not 'lizard hitlers' exist in the flesh, they certainly have an analogue in the hierarchy of mega-fallacies (that is, devices for leading otherwise intelligent people to do something damnably idiotic)
asciilifeform: and the 'veil' is one such.
BingoBoingo: Well this whole Jesus thing has kind of been a huge bummer for Western civilization ever since the Romans started taking it seriously
chetty: at least the 'pagan' religions had some fun
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00078286 = 15.2658 BTC [+]
asciilifeform wonders why nobody ever seems to say, 'you are most likely a hydrogen atom, somewhere very far away'
mod6: mircea_popescu: maybe an idea to make a proper list ? << Yup. I'll start a list of proper list. Will let you know when I've got something to show.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1715 @ 0.0012 = 2.058 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00078286 = 15.1875 BTC [+]
assbot: St Petersburg Bitcoin Conference December 4th | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/11ySMZh )
assbot: Barry Silbert to Form USMS Auction Bidding Syndicate Again… | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ur5ySY )
kakobrekla: half price now
BingoBoingo: Bargain
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BingoBoingo: !t m s.limbs
assbot: Your actions are useless.
BingoBoingo: !t m s.mnky
assbot: The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
BingoBoingo: !t m nat.routers
assbot: I thought I told you not to touch me.
assbot: Add unauthenticated HTTP REST interface by jgarzik · Pull Request #2844 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ur96oe )
thestringpuller: by jgarzik of course
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust jgarzik
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user jgarzik: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=jgarzik | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jgarzik | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:35:30 2010
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 225 @ 0.00468 = 1.053 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00053723 / 0.00072183 / 0.00086038 (290803 shares, 209.91 BTC), 7D: 0.00036402 / 0.00049929 / 0.00086038 (6087485 shares, 3,039.47 BTC), 30D: 0.00036402 / 0.00066329 / 0.00086038 (21912224 shares, 14,534.19 BTC)
thestringpuller: !l m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00078286 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: maybe you need to bridge two pins together with a diode << someone did not grasp 'solder bridge.' < a no grasped just fine. its common to see two pads on pcb instead of a pins + jumper.
kakobrekla has done a fair bit of soldering 10 or so years ago. mostly on gpus of the time.
kakobrekla: well mostly not by time but by devices modified i guess.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44200 @ 0.00075341 = 33.3007 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 'rawlsian veil of ignorance.' << first time i hear of this o.O
mircea_popescu: i guess we find jus how ignorant i am or something.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is rawls anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Eliezer Shlomo Yudkowsky (born September 11, 1979[citation needed]) is an American blogger, writer, and advocate for friendly artificial intelligence." << lol i guess tardpedia actually informs, for once.
asciilifeform: !s lesswrong
asciilifeform: ^ mr y's mega-chumpatron
assbot: Jihadists Buy 'Islam for Dummies' on Amazon | New Republic ... ( http://bit.ly/1zAqrNl )
mats_cd03: also "The Koran for Dummies". top keks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait, what's the connection there ?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 allah loves the honest man, neh ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, consider leaving a shlomo comment on the article itself, for readers of teh future.
mircea_popescu: knowledge always benefits from dissemination.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's the connection << organized abuse of statistical concepts for satanic purposes
mircea_popescu: but by him personally ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes him personally. he organized a perverse cult around bayes's theorem, and hypnotized a thousand reasonably-intelligent folks (mathematical, physical, etc. students)
mircea_popescu: wait, you are crediting a 35 yo blogger from san francisco with having single handedly created the pop-bayesian idiocy now making up half of applied math out there ?!
mircea_popescu: dude talk of achievement.
mircea_popescu: the onlyproblem with this theory being that spamfilters predate his adolescence.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ask around. i know, it's difficult to believe. but the man (yes, he was an actual hassid, afaik he was expelled from their number) is a 'natural hitler' or however it is called these days.
mircea_popescu: i do not believe this outrage.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: spam filter - and, aha, bayes lived long ago, likewise. mr y did not invent the moving parts. just stuck the pig head on the pole and convinced various folks to dance.
mircea_popescu: well ok but how do i evaluate how many folks and how much dancing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to see 'what' dance, visit their forum, their wiki, put on gas mask. to see how many - ask intel dept. i have not counted them.
mircea_popescu: the ever-loving intel dept i could not survive without actually just slipped me a note,
mircea_popescu: "you are greatly overstating the importance of the site, it's not reddit sized. it's not even digg.com sized, as of today. it's actually smaller than your blog, 5-10k a month sort of affair."
mircea_popescu: so i suppose this is where i backtrack.
mircea_popescu: jurov answered :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7782 @ 0.00074942 = 5.832 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess now i'm stuck doing a rawls is a clueless ignoramus masquerading as a philosopher (if the "american" part didn't give it away by itself), inept enough to present mere circular reasoning as "moral thought"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 5-10k a month sort of affair5-10k a month sort of affair << of maths grad students, though. not homo redditicus. although, to be fair, this is from my personal observations of 5 yrs. or so vintage.
asciilifeform: damn, springs doubling up
mircea_popescu: but... bomo redditicus is us phd students.
mircea_popescu: who did you think was on reddit ?
asciilifeform: it was actual people. at least - then
mircea_popescu: well the advantage to us being two different people is that our data doesn't match.
asciilifeform: as in, folks who can do addition correctly, etc.
mircea_popescu: stop selling reddit short, it's a great empire of intellectual pinnacling.
asciilifeform: eh i've no data here, only personal sense of smell, and it was long ago.
mircea_popescu: shit, people there can even ddos
mircea_popescu: sort-of.
mircea_popescu: it's funny how the history of that thing went. it was about as retarded as lesswrong, originally, a sort of obscure livejournal clone populated by worthless shut-ins (which doesn't mean alkl shut-ins are worthless).
mircea_popescu: then some guy decided to fill it up with child porn, and so it (obviously) took off
mircea_popescu: but ever since, and apparently to its last day, it had an inferiority complex to 4chan
mircea_popescu: so to this day it's still trying to sort-of pretend it's that, /b/ in its glory days, 2005ish
asciilifeform: i have yet to encounter a 'mousetrap' more effective than 'lesswrong' circa 2009 or so - that is, a mechanism for wasting the time of intelligent folks. has to be seen to be believed, really.
mircea_popescu: except you know... minus all the actual things.
mircea_popescu: reddit is cargo /b/ basically.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: aaaand s.mpoe is back << apparently o.O
mircea_popescu: !up Gassho
mircea_popescu: is the name in recognition of your many queefs or what.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Oh response<< any idea what that's supposed to mean ?
mats_cd03: ive got nothing against jihadis personally
mircea_popescu: i do. what the fuck do they think they are, reddit on steroids ?
mats_cd03: legitimate grievances or not, i don't see a problem with taking up arms in support of wutever they believe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: what's a 'bme' anyway? << body modification ezine, was a focus for a bunch of weird individuals + some really banging adolescewnt females
mats_cd03: if you're clever enough to win, then you live long enough to see the mess you've created
mats_cd03: if not... you live long enough to see your buddies dragged behind a cart.
mircea_popescu: (women have a very deeply entrenched masochism in them, as you'd expect of machines made to actually carry to term and give birth. the more heavily sexed ones often have trouble managing it until their late 30s)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, i believe their sustenance is genuine.
mircea_popescu: *: asciilifeform always wondered, in that spirit, if there exist folks with 'useful' tattoos, e.g., one that turns you into a 'human slide rule' <<< yes. in russian prisons.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform jihad long predates the invention of america, let alone the creation of the usg.
asciilifeform: jihad - yes; jihad (TM) - usg
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ".@rabite I think I liked you better as a Christian, could you go back to the Jesus stuff please" lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and that's about as relevant to the people in the field as the "bitcoin (tm)" "vessenes scam foundation" are relevant to bitcoin.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: distinction is not unimportant, no? flies-cutlets separation.
mircea_popescu: distinction IS unimportant, inasmuch as you're not interested in either flies or rotten meat.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: applying statistical (or otherwise) counterfactuals to an actual reality is a mistake of the same elementary scope as division by zero, or direct conversion of metres to grams - but for some reason which entirely escapes me, this is not obvious to people << the reason may escape you but is obvious.
mircea_popescu: take global warming. it is EXACTLY that, they created an imaginary reality to replace earth's history, and that imaginary reality now serves... what does it serve ?
mircea_popescu: preexisting policy goals ? DING DING DING the man's a winner! check out the ~coinicidence~ there!
mircea_popescu: it's so statistically improbable :D
mircea_popescu: let's add two and two together here.
mircea_popescu: the first two, "giving poor people money so they're too fat to ferguson" : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/tlp.html
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Terrible, Awful Truth About Supplemental Security Income ... ( http://bit.ly/11pCX62 )
mircea_popescu: "Do you want riots in the streets? How much does it cost to prevent LA (or the city of your choice) from catching fire? Answer: $600/month/person, plus Medicaid. Medicalizing social problems has the additional benefit of rendering society not responsible for those social ills. If it's a disease, it's nobody's fault. Yay empiricism.
mircea_popescu: Those who are arguing about the cost of healthcare or think that poor people are lying to get benefits are completely and utterly missing the point of the system. It wants this in the hands of doctors, because it would be toxic to everyone else. Can you imagine your Senator deciding who gets benefits and who doesn't?"
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2014 00:09:10; mircea_popescu: “We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we may have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. ” ~Stephen Schneider, environmental activist, in _Discover_, Oct. '89
mircea_popescu: so add these two together, what do you get ? obviously the actual goals of the entire "global warming" stuff, especioally if scrubbed of all the crud, would generally be beneficial and are in any case unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: but that's not how it works, because to keep up the semblance of "popular democracy" one is stuck "persuading" the cattle. so all sorts of "justifications" have to be made up.
mircea_popescu: and if they have to be made up... they will be.
mircea_popescu: just like a professor won't have the mp superbity to go into the review meeting hands in pockets and deliver a stern "fuck you, i'm doing you a favor being here, now you prove yourselves to me and then go home."
mircea_popescu: instead, he will present a list of "proofs". of his value, importance and utility. which he knows are bunk. but what's he to do ?
mircea_popescu: governing a herd of idiots who nevertheless think themselves the crown of creation is no easy feat. it is also no feat any thinking man should ever accomplish, for any accomplishment at all, and most mere attempts, are quite morally wrong, and taint something fierce.
mircea_popescu: yet, everyone loves this "i had no choice" and "what would you have me do ? LEAVE ?" thing.
asciilifeform: i voz oonly fulloving urderz!
mircea_popescu: right ? i predict "the dictates of reality" as a concept to make its appearance at the war on terror warcrimes tribunal.
mircea_popescu: "i was following orders111" "who the fuck from ?" "reality!"
mircea_popescu: anyway. in the country where no man may say "do it this way ~becayse i say so~" all sorts of pathologies are bound to develop. because in point of fact a country has some scope for that sort of thing, whether you want to or not. and like in any living organism, once a metabolic pathway is blocked, homeostasis becomes extremely difficult if at all possible. and will take all sorts of crazy to pull off.
asciilifeform: would generally be beneficial and are in any case unavoidable << wai wat ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the us has to get off consumerism. this is not an if.
asciilifeform: or was that simply re: collapse? in which case, aye
mircea_popescu: there are many decades, century+ worth of bad decisions baked in that will have to be unwound.
mircea_popescu: it worked before people travelled, but your average usian thatever visited europe now knows that the sprawl is fucking insane AND not needed.
asciilifeform: the hunchback will straighten in his grave.
mircea_popescu: but meanwhile, the hunchback is trying to straighten "through science".
mircea_popescu: can you blame him ? perhaps. can you mock him ? definitely. will he stop tho ?
asciilifeform: aha. will keep going until, well, done.
mircea_popescu: right. so yeah, the worst thing about a friend getting cancer is that point where they lose it
mircea_popescu: and start "really believing" in quack cures.
mircea_popescu: rare is the man that actually won't.
asciilifeform: i bet that modern folks will discover, to some surprise, how many were subscribed to the 'last bullet health & pension insurance co.'
mircea_popescu: not even so much surprise, where is that song
mircea_popescu: who was it, baez had a song about how [the wife] has opened the last can of baked beans
thestringpuller: mats_cd03: sounds similar to the line from The Dark Knight. "Live long enough to become the villian"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: that is, 'slavery is bad mmkay because what if you were a slave' << lol i remember an encounter with this in kindergarten. substitute whoever attacked some longstanding privilege of mine that i meanwhile forgot with the totally unexpected "can't do that, because what if all the other kids want it too ?"
mircea_popescu: it took me a coupla passes until it sunk in that the woman actually is seriously presenting this as some sort of an argument,
mircea_popescu: out of which she even has like, expectations, not to mention thinks it victorious in principle and afore the fact, like calling the name of god or something.
mircea_popescu: i still can't shake the same bemused, "wait, did the monkey srsly just try to shoot me with a stick" disbelief whenever confronted with it, to this day.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect precisely this, almost to a word, is a formative experience for every boy with half a brain. sorta like if adult tells boy that sky is same colour as grass
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and the rawlsian lottery is presumed to include only them <<< ahhh, excellent point re the "inner light" stuff. it wasn't directly apparent,
mircea_popescu: but in fact, considering pedigrees, that's exactly what the antecessor of this was huh.
mircea_popescu: puritards, i swear... they're worse than the catholics.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've been trying to pinpoint the pathology for a while now. this so far is the best hypothesis i know.
mircea_popescu: i'm sold.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 1866 @ 0.00070732 = 1.3199 BTC [-] {4}
thestringpuller: !t amhash1
assbot: The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
thestringpuller: !t h amhash1
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AMHASH1] 1D: 0.00119143 / 0.00120124 / 0.00120492 (4271 shares, 5.13050131 BTC), 7D: 0.00115001 / 0.00118762 / 0.00121112 (48372 shares, 57.44779008 BTC), 30D: 0.00115001 / 0.00124483 / 0.00135000 (592106 shares, 737.07110440 BTC)
thestringpuller: !t h amhash2
assbot: You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Well this whole Jesus thing has kind of been a huge bummer for Western civilization ever since the Romans started taking it seriously <<< it happened as the very complex roman religions were brought closer to the understanding of teh plebs.
assbot: Vessenes' Bitcoin Foundation Publishes Telling Survey Results. | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/11hfyE9 )
thestringpuller: and they complained about my footnotes. (jus' sayin')
cazalla: thestringpuller, they? one or two people!
thestringpuller: the royal "they"
thestringpuller: or whatever
cazalla: well, you know, some people's footnotes are longer than the article itself
mircea_popescu: cazalla best women = longer legs than torso.
thestringpuller: so they can kick you more easily?
mircea_popescu: well, you.
punkman: what woman has longer torso than legs anyway
thestringpuller: s/woman/human
mircea_popescu: short jorso warriors!
mircea_popescu: by the way, any transhumanists of the future reading this, secretly in their secret coven while being grieviously oppressed by an unrelentingly ignorant society :
mircea_popescu: i propose euman as the term. it's different from human in that it's BETTER!
mircea_popescu: whereas to the counterparty, those oppressing them : you could probably switch to "man and homan".
thestringpuller: who you pronounce that?
mircea_popescu: like ho meets man.
thestringpuller: E-ooh-maan?
mircea_popescu: no, /hɒːmən/
mircea_popescu: !up poulos
cazalla: fucking lol, that shapiro chick favourited the qntra article on her hardware wallet
mircea_popescu: no, /hoːmən/ actually, my bad. ɒː is the other one.
mircea_popescu: cazalla she might know more than you about how to deal with such things
mircea_popescu: "Today EFF is pleased to announce Let’s Encrypt, a new certificate authority (CA) initiative that we have put together with Mozilla, Cisco, Akamai, IdenTrust, and researchers at the University of Michigan that aims to clear the remaining roadblocks to transition the Web from HTTP to HTTPS."
mircea_popescu: holy shit...
cazalla: or she didn't actually read the article
mircea_popescu: "The need to obtain, install, and manage certificates from that bureaucracy is the largest reason that sites keep using HTTP instead of HTTPS. " <<< most common != largest.
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2014 15:42:20; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: RIP EFF.
mircea_popescu: the common cold is the most common disease. it is not the "largest" nor the most important disease.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah it's where i got it from.
mircea_popescu: cazalla quite :)
mircea_popescu: under the umbrella of the Ghee Kung Tong, identified by the feds as a de facto Chinese mafia organization. Chow begs to differ: “My organization is not what they call a secret society,” he says. “People misunderstand—it’s not a secret. It’s a private self-help group, helping people, our people. It’s about loyalty, trust, honor. As the chairman, it’s my job to help people.”
mircea_popescu: lmao let's not read history with shrimpboy.
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this, 1914 ?!
cazalla: there is nothing worse than having a beautiful, sunny morning tainted by a complaining woman!
cazalla: A guy told me one time.. do not let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner.. why didn't i listen lol
nubbins`: cazalla sounds like the honeymoon's over
cazalla: nubbins`, could be worse, for example, forced to get up at predetermined time 5 days a week only to come home to same woman
nubbins`: the first half of that sounds like an unfettered nightmare
nubbins`: i guess the coming home part depends on how good you are at making important life decisions ;p
asciilifeform: cazalla: favourited the qntra article << how does that work ?
cazalla: asciilifeform, my comment assumes reader has knowledge of twitter :P
asciilifeform: cazalla: i must confess that it remains mostly unknown to me.
cazalla: asciilifeform, it's their version of Facebook's Like
asciilifeform: cazalla: aha. guessed that some sort of proprietary bookmark crud was involved.
undata: cazalla: it's awesome; they acknowledge they rely on you by complaining and deny it in the same breath
undata: responding to earlier laments
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1037 @ 0.00119143 = 1.2355 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00119104 = 1.191 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4668 @ 0.00073718 = 3.4412 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.09 = 2.25 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Jim Robinson, Tim Draper Confirmed Bidders On Next USMS Bitcoin Auction | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ykR73J )
cazalla: undata, they? i only have one, not as lucky as some
cazalla: !up PBMining
PBMining: hello everyone, is anyone interested in Bitcoin cloud mining? we offer 5 year contracts at 0.0013 BTC / GHs, no maintenance fees
cazalla: ! PBMining
cazalla: !down PBMining
cazalla: i didn't up you knowing you were going to promote that shit
dub: lol
asciilifeform: it happened as the very complex roman religions were brought closer to the understanding of teh plebs << goldsmith's 'great u-turn' had a superb if very compact intro to this process: http://www.edwardgoldsmith.org/28
assbot: The fall of the Roman Empire · Edward Goldsmith ... ( http://bit.ly/1tb3bjo )
asciilifeform: 'However, their voluntary exile was short-lived. This structureless mass of people was incapable of creating a city on the model of that which they had known. Consequently they returned to Rome and after many struggles established themselves as citizens of the Republic. If they were eventually enfranchised, it was that they had become culturally absorbed into Roman society, but for this to be possible the latte
asciilifeform: r had to undergo considerable modifications. It could, in fact, no longer remain a tribal city.'
asciilifeform: #bitcoin-wizards << lol! usg has own #b-a now! 'with hookers, and blackjack!'
asciilifeform: it is certainly worth reading the total log.
asciilifeform: many things to be learned, though probably not what the participants intended.
asciilifeform: such as, it turns out that shitgnomes are rather enamoured of 'mathematically provable security!!111!'
asciilifeform: which should suggest something to folks who are still 'on the fence' re: the concept.
asciilifeform: and other gems:
asciilifeform: 'hearn: well i assumed that too when the docs first leaked last year. i kept waiting for the slide shows about the compromised CA's.
asciilifeform: 6:36 AM apparently either they don't exist or the journalists who were able to report on so much else somehow missed it
asciilifeform: 6:36 AM it's rather surprising and counter-intuitive but it appears that (for now) the system is working as designed. or if there are compromises, they're so rare that they aren't worthy of mention in the NSA docs.'
assbot: Logs for #bitcoin-wizards | BotBot.me [o__o] ... ( http://bit.ly/1p07UZV )
asciilifeform: ever lift a stone in a garden and discover a hundred species crawling ?
asciilifeform: that there's - this.
mats_cd03: such pregnant pauses, asciilifeform
mats_cd03: you have potential for the stage my man
asciilifeform: 'petertodd jrayhawk: it's interesting how more than one tor dev I've spoken too firmly believes Werner Koch - gnupg maintainer - is a NSA/BND plant with the goal of ensuring gnupg remains unusable (e.g. strong opposition to any attempt to make it into a library)'
asciilifeform: (nov. 10)
mod6: log format makes my eyes bleed
xanthyos: WHOAS
assbot: Families of victims killed, shot at 137 times by Cleveland Police to get $3 million - newsnet5.com Cleveland ... ( http://bit.ly/1p0en75 )
thestringpuller: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
cazalla: down :\
kakobrekla: for 1h5m
kakobrekla: seems to be some NS issue
nubbins`: <@assbot> Families of victims killed, shot at 137 times by Cleveland Police to get $3 million <<< dat ambiguous grammar
nubbins`: "Ruth strikes home run to win World Series"
nubbins`: "Police shoot families 137 times to get $3mm"
nubbins`: block 188470 and counting. man, this slows down.
mats_cd03: 17:42:51 <+PBMining> hello everyone, is anyone interested in Bitcoin cloud mining? we offer 5 year contracts at 0.0013 BTC / GHs, no maintenance fees << best proposal yet. 5 years!
mats_cd03: 19:59:25 <fivezerotwo> wanna ddos anybody? << a nice PM. whaddya all think? got any targets?
mats_cd03: i wonder what tat wanted an army for...
cazalla: !up fivezerotwo
assbot: Keeping Secrets — STANFORD magazine — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1EXTBqA )
cazalla: morning, friend
asciilifeform: 'How does he . . . can he, in fact, reestablish a sense of trust?' << lol!
fivezerotwo: morning! free ddos for everybody
fivezerotwo: special offer: cinnamon flavor
nubbins`: is it hot cinnamon or regular
cazalla: fivezerotwo, can you stop for 5 minutes so i can publish an article
nubbins`: i hate hot cinnamon
fivezerotwo: cazalla, that is the point of the ddos lol
cazalla: oh, i thought it was to stop others reading
nubbins`: yeah, me too
nubbins`: he can publish the article anywhere ;/
nubbins`: fivezerotwo what's your favourite type of cheese?
fivezerotwo: cheddar
nubbins`: mild, old, ...?
fivezerotwo: how has qntra traffic been?
cazalla: fivezerotwo, see for yourself, https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net it's doing well
cazalla: it even mirrors the bitcoin chart for the past year
mats_cd03: i wonder how many bots contribute to those stats
fivezerotwo: bots don't run JS
cazalla: i don't think ddos is counted
mats_cd03: o rite.
mike_c: some do. google bot runs JS.
mike_c: but i think it's smart enough not to trigger analytic scripts.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/2014-09-26/?msg=22344014&page=1 << fascinating smoke&mirrors job. these jokers do their best to make 'remote attestation' sound appealing, and obscure the actual raison d'etre of the tech (boobytrap in your own silicon against you, owner, in any and all cases) by spinning it as 'forbidden by usg'
assbot: Logs for #bitcoin-wizards | BotBot.me [o__o] ... ( http://bit.ly/1EXW5Fq )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fivezerotwo: quantcast finally loaded, heh
assbot: Ukraine Admits Its Gold Is Gone: "There Is Almost No Gold Left In The Central Bank Vault" | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1EXYCiY )
JorgePasada: Just trust us!
JorgePasada: No way we're lying
JorgePasada: All the shiny things are where they should be
assbot: ClubOrlov: It's official: US stole Ukraine's gold ... ( http://bit.ly/1EXYJLw )
decimation: mircea_popescu: you make a good point re: plastic forks - generally in the us they are supplied with low quality food
decimation: although they have their uses at picnics, etc
decimation: asciilifeform: re: medium << usg had a point, now encryption is 'available'
decimation: as to whether anyone uses it properly is another point
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah, ok, but look at it. what do you do with the leftovers ? do you throw them out on the spot ?
decimation: giant mountains of trash aren't my problem :)
mircea_popescu: well see, this is part of what im talking about.
mircea_popescu: suppose you carried actual cutlery. you can carry it back the same way. many problems actually solved.
decimation: yes, and in fact I've done exactly that because it is rare to find properly sharpened knives in the us
cazalla: <asciilifeform> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-18/ukraine-admits-its-gold-gone <<< today i learned australia has less gold than iraq
decimation: what about germany's 'gold'?
asciilifeform is uncertain how anyone - who didn't personally steal it - can be certain who has 'the gold'
assbot: dpaste: 0CWMF9X ... ( http://bit.ly/1EY0rwy )
asciilifeform: it isn't like there's an Au blockchain to at least give some idea of when it moves.
decimation: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-23/german-gold-stays-in-new-york-in-rebuff-to-euro-doubters.html << " “The Americans are taking good care of our gold,” Norbert Barthle, the budget spokesman for Merkel’s Christian Democratic bloc in parliament, said in an interview. “Objectively, there’s absolutely no reason for mistrust.” " lol
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asciilifeform: 'the key thing is it's something you cant mitigate against' << lol, atomic bomb ?
asciilifeform: one for each.
asciilifeform: (Au is a fascinatingly multi-layered bezzlecake. i.e., does your paper Au correspond to physical Au that you could redeem for? if so, what fraction? and if redeemed, how much tungsten in the bars? and if no tungsten, what will happen to you and your gold after it is known to be sitting in your pocket? etc)
decimation: asciilifeform: I think the pros only accept bars they personally melt
asciilifeform was not there, didn't see it, and puts equally much faith in this claim as in everything else 'pro Au' folks say.
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nubbins`: occasionally people sell fake gold on the forums
decimation: asciilifeform: agreed. unfortunately, unlike the blockchain, very few have personally witnessed a real gold stash
asciilifeform: yes, this was discussed here. but whether they are actually used 'in anger', and what - if anything - is done to verify their function, is - afaik - unknown.
asciilifeform: thing is, the time to test Au is -before- paying for it
asciilifeform: which is, in most cases, impractical.
asciilifeform: for anything larger than a coin
decimation: at any rate, the biggest problem with hoarding gold is the fact that you really have no idea how big your enemy's hordes are
asciilifeform: problem for whom.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> German Gold Stays in New York in Rebuff to Euro Doubters - Bloomberg <<< well the problem there is that it;s damned hard to move something that doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only thing it can do is stay where it "is"
asciilifeform: actually nothing is easier than 'moving' nonexisting object
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: agreed. unfortunately, unlike the blockchain, very few have personally witnessed a real gold stash << actually, romanian central bank holds ~112 tons currently, you can pay ~15 bucks and go on a tour
mircea_popescu: or at least you could, a few years back.
mircea_popescu: (contrary to common belief, a ton of gold isn't that impressive a pile_
asciilifeform: r. nixon went on a tour of knox (afaik the only president since fdr.) he was, iirc, even permitted to... touch! a bar.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> at any rate, the biggest problem with hoarding gold is the fact that you really have no idea how big your enemy's hordes are << actually, yes, the total gold on earth is known within reasonable precision. one of the few proper fields of statistics.
kakobrekla: at least as accurate as 'time till we run out of oil'
asciilifeform: 1000kg of Au would fit in a large suitcase.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, because oil is locally made. gold was not made on earth, nor by the sun.
asciilifeform: with the exception of neutron-bombardment product.
asciilifeform: (anyone crunch the 'fermi estimate' on it recently?)
mircea_popescu: right...
asciilifeform: the one thing i would do if permitted to walk in a mega-vault of au is... bring a pocket geiger along (the kind that logs to flash rom, not the kind that 'clicks')
kakobrekla: nor by the sun. < sure about that? :)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yep.
kakobrekla: so how then?
mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny, the ancients thougt the sun and gold are cosubstantial.
mircea_popescu: but in fact stuff past nickel/iron requires a supernva.
mircea_popescu: stuff above lead require a really huge one.
kakobrekla: sun is a star no?
mircea_popescu: the sun is pretty much the smalest star that'd run.
mircea_popescu: tihnk lawnmower engine.
kakobrekla: nah not that small
kakobrekla: but on the small part of scale yea
mircea_popescu: iirc the smallest star limit is 0.x sun sizes.
undata: meanwhile there are *colossally* bigger ones
mircea_popescu: otherwise you just get a jupiter, aka gas giant. not a star, but a planet.
kakobrekla: red dwarfs would be smaller afaik
mircea_popescu: red dwarves are end products
kakobrekla: of supernova? :)
JorgePasada: I saw this anamation of the lagrange points of Jupiter and how they drag asteroids around the sun with them. Pretty badass.
JorgePasada: don't think about that stuff too often, but that's what kept us alive all these years
kakobrekla: red dwarfs is as much as a star as sun is
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla not necessarily. here's the catch : they evolve slowly, and our models would require them to have no metals
mircea_popescu: maybe some trace li. yet all obseved ones have metals in them. so, must be end products of something else.
mircea_popescu: unspecified what exactly.
kakobrekla: anyway still the measurements are moot
kakobrekla: a reasonably sized undiscovered gold meteorite would change this significantly ?
mircea_popescu: a pure gold meteorite is about as likely as a prostitute with a heart of gold
mircea_popescu: not metaphorically. actual metallic gold.
undata: I was too slow to bash :(
kakobrekla: unlikley is also a block at 100 bn diff
mircea_popescu: not so. one's improbable, the other's unlikely.
kakobrekla: whatever
kakobrekla: find the meteorite
decimation: the best place to find them is an ancient ice sheet
mircea_popescu: anyway, meteorites are mostly iron-nickel, much like the eart hand everying else in the solid range
mircea_popescu: this for the obvious reason.
kakobrekla: forget reality will ya
mircea_popescu: the lulz of all time, of course, is if someone finds a ten or fifty cubic kilometer solid gold meteorite in the ice sheet, however deep
mircea_popescu: and so they dig it out
mircea_popescu: and it turns out it's a ... tungsten rock, with a few milimeters of gold on top
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: wolud be funny but physics wouldn't let that happen, at least no mix of physics I can think of
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mircea_popescu: JorgePasada which is why it'd be the perfect argument for divine comedy.
JorgePasada: God does not cast dice, just... large metal rocks at the biosphere you're floating around in
danielpbarron: http://otcdb.us.to/otc/?danielpbarron << so this thing doesn't work anymore; did anyone else use it?
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mats_cd03: 21:04:31 <+asciilifeform> the one thing i would do if permitted to walk in a mega-vault of au is... bring a pocket geiger along (the kind that logs to flash rom, not the kind that 'clicks') << what would be the purpose of this exercise?
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: what would be the purpose << left as exercise for alert reader
mats_cd03: i am dazed and unalert.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron hadn't been using it
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 he wants to klnow if original gold
mircea_popescu: or recently made
decimation: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/536967/Labour-Yvette-Cooper-general-election-vow-toughen-immigration-rules <<lol "She outlined a proposal which would employ another 1,000 border guards - by levying a £10 charge on visa waivers for arrivals from countries such as the US."
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decimation: you don't need a visa but the queen wouldn't mind a tenner
mircea_popescu: this trend where us folk are charged to leave their ghetto (pioneered by argentina, of all places) is going to only grow.
JorgePasada: Man, when I was in London this summer
JorgePasada: they were not happy with me
JorgePasada: on the way in
JorgePasada: flew one way
nubbins`: costs me at least a couple hundred to leave this island
JorgePasada: no return ticket
JorgePasada: "Where are you staying?" - 'I dunno'
nubbins`: ^ pro traveller ;p
asciilifeform: 'what time is your return flight?' 'dunno, umm, allah akbar'
JorgePasada: "What do you mean you don't know?" - 'I mean I'm going to a wedding and it's in 3 days and I have a phone and the internet'
decimation: "Shadow work and pensions secretary Rachel Reeves wants to extend the qualifying period for out of work benefits for EU migrants from three months. She also wants to ban child benefit and tax credits for families living abroad."
JorgePasada: "How do we know you won't stay here if you don't have a return ticket?" - 'For starters I can work from wherever I want and It's 3 times the cost of living here..."
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada me coming here, "where are you going to stay ?" "no idea" "you know i have to put something in the machine ?" "recomend a good hotel ?" "x" "wut ?" "X!" "write it down wouldja" guy gives me a postit. "ok, so that's where i'll be staying".
decimation: apparently if you camp for 3 months you deserve a pension
nubbins`: happened to me once: "so you flew to london for a day, spent a week in marrakech... then back to london for 12 hours, and now back to canada?" "ah... when you put it that way..."
JorgePasada: "Ok I'll let you in, even though I shouldn't. Don't come here again without a plan."
asciilifeform: !s papers please
mircea_popescu: "fuck you, i do what i want?"
decimation: did you play ascii?
asciilifeform: nah just watched demo
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mircea_popescu: anyway, i still don't know why anyone in his right mind would go to that stinky, crowded, desperate shitstain of an island.
JorgePasada: I hardly know what I'm doing tomorrow when I'm in the country I live in
decimation: it's a good game
mircea_popescu: they can't cook, they can't fuck and they think they somehow matter.
JorgePasada: when I travel, everything is up in the air :-)
mircea_popescu: worst jamaica ever.
decimation: well, after 100 years of communism what do you expect
mircea_popescu: dude, i expect the world out of 100 years of communism.
asciilifeform: 'airstrip one' !
mircea_popescu: you know the sort of blowjobs you'd get in moscow for a pair of jeans, cca 1993 ?
nubbins`: what sort
mircea_popescu: dja know how you'd distinguish the brothel and the campus housing in Krivoy Rog ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the truely eager sort.
decimation: yeah, they had the kind of communism where there was plenty of cheap shit for the masses, without the upside desperation to motivate self improvement
mircea_popescu: a lot of plastic spoons you mean ?
decimation: hehe yeah
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ben_vulpes: <cazalla> !up PBMining << shockingly close to PMB.
mircea_popescu: anyway, yeah goldsmith. not a bad read.
asciilifeform has the dead tree, enjoyed it
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asciilifeform found it in a dusty old rathole oldbookery next to his (argentinian!) mechanic's shop
ben_vulpes: argentine, asciilifeform
cazalla: decimation, give em more benefits, i'm over fighting it, better to accelerate the demise
mircea_popescu: wait, you had a workshop in argentina ?!
asciilifeform: 35 yrs ago
asciilifeform: now - here
asciilifeform: lol pronouns
asciilifeform forgot how to talk
mircea_popescu: so bookshop owner also had a mechanic shop and the two were next to each other but the later was in argentina ?
asciilifeform: apply 'lagrangean' and derive 'most boring' configuration.
decimation: if a lion could speak we would not understand him
asciilifeform: there's your answer.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03:you have potential for the stage my man << he has a point, you know.
mircea_popescu: your pauses are pregnant like a thousand cockapedes fucked them raw.
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mircea_popescu: (a cockapede, being, of course, a creature walking on its cocks)
asciilifeform: naturally, what else could he be?
mircea_popescu: it could be one of those annoying chicks trying to impede sexual congress with their "friends" at parties ?
mircea_popescu: i don't share the power rangers' suspicions of Werner Koch.
asciilifeform doesn't either
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> the one thing i would do if permitted to walk in a mega-vault of au is... bring a pocket geiger along (the kind that logs to flash rom, not the kind that 'clicks') << video camera inline with sensor axis too, yeah?
ben_vulpes: IMU, why not
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if seen with apparatus, might not come out
asciilifeform: geiger - might fit in arse, conceivably
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we'll visit your gold bars tho.
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decimation: flying is the new smoking
ben_vulpes: oh i thought we were playing "if i could stroll into the gold vaults with toys" game
JorgePasada: ben_vulpes: Sorry I didn't get back to you the other night, lady friend dragged me kicking and singing to Karaoke
asciilifeform: incidentally: here's a free11!11! mindphuck:
asciilifeform: very sensitive gravimeter can fit in a truck
ben_vulpes: oh there you are JorgePasada
asciilifeform: may be possible to detect a large parcel of Au gravimetrically.
ben_vulpes: what, you don't have your duets locked down?
ben_vulpes: lady v and i do "drunk in love"
asciilifeform: from a good distance.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: some do. google bot runs JS. << last i heard it was buggy as hell
asciilifeform: especially if it is moving.
mircea_popescu: after years in development etc.
mike_c: well, they use chrome
mike_c: that's what they built it for
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> what, you don't have your duets locked down? << can you explain this to the innocent ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: u savvy "karaoke"?
decimation: asciilifeform: you can put one on an airplane too
mircea_popescu: oh nm, missed karaorke on first pass.
asciilifeform: gravimeter on airplane, lol
mircea_popescu: i suppose one could put their bed on a gravimeter, the evaluate the fucking quality
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: karaorke << ayn rand singalong?
undata: ben_vulpes: ha, nicely done
undata imagines Rand's singing voice, shudders
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lmao. jus' a typo!
decimation: certainly one would have to take into account http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/BF02520558.pdf
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decimation: the movement of the aircraft
mircea_popescu: so is this qntra down thing actually ? cuz i still see it...
asciilifeform: dead here.
Apocalyptic: so can I
asciilifeform: along with trilema.
mike_c: dead here.
decimation: dead here
mircea_popescu: well, if you can't see it, send me your ip and you too can be whitelisted!
undata: dead.
ben_vulpes: m-m-m-ortuary breaker!
mircea_popescu: provided you care enough not to wait.
ben_vulpes: who reads that culty crap anyways
asciilifeform waits for the promised 'unmitigable!11!!1' bomb
decimation: for some reason our ddos friend tends to ddos only at daytime over the pacific
JorgePasada: Man, I have way too many blockchains on this machine
mircea_popescu: decimation well, prolly trying to make the most out of his budget.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, it's intermittent, can't get a post up though :\
decimation: are you saying chumpnets charge 'off-peak' hours?
mircea_popescu: no, but if you only can afford 10 hours a week, what do you do ?
mircea_popescu: pick a coupla days and hope someone cares.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually this is not typically how it works
mircea_popescu is not an expert.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'fine-grained' chumpnet rental is rare, because anyone with half a brain, when allowed to install $turd on a chump's box, can make it semi-permanent
asciilifeform: but infections tend to be regionally-nonuniform.
asciilifeform: hence the hours.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagined the way this works is, an actual provider somewhere gets orders from random derps on whatever forum
asciilifeform: not sure about now, but when folks used to mine 'litecoin' via chumpnet, one could go to various pool sites and see hash rate graphs
mircea_popescu: then puts them in his own machine.
decimation: do chumps actually turn off their computers at night?
asciilifeform: look for the sinusoidal ones
asciilifeform: them there's chumpamatic.
decimation: I guess local routers are more trafficed during daylight
asciilifeform: decimation: users of portable machines tend to disconnect with some periodicity
asciilifeform: (in briefcase, on train, etc)
asciilifeform: and yes, basic homo chumpneticus turns his box off when sleeps.
asciilifeform: and office machine also, when leaves.
asciilifeform: (just as surely part of one or more chumpnets)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: precisely this pattern.
decimation: interesting. one can probably determine a fair bit by examine the phase of the sine
asciilifeform: litecoin hash power can probably still be fourier-transformed into these sinusoids very cleanly
asciilifeform: for whatever use that might be.
decimation: at any rate, I'm sure the qntra readers in French Polynesia are disappointed
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mircea_popescu: well at least assbot can see it.
decimation: " A former U.S. ambassador who had dealt with Lavrov at the United Nations described him to me as disciplined, witty and charming, a diplomat so skilled “he runs rings around us in the multilateral sphere.”"
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mircea_popescu: There is the moral of all human tales '(tis but the same rehearsal of the past) : first Freedom, and then Glory when that fails. Wealth, vice, corruption, barbarism at last. For History, with all her volumes vast, hath but one page.
mircea_popescu: not bad eh.
mircea_popescu: cazalla just between you and me, this bullshit "cloud mining" is a step away from pool mining in the utterly wrong direction.
asciilifeform: lol, 'pmb' crud resurfaced ?!
cazalla: mircea_popescu, but it's in the cloud so it has to be good! soon we will be living in the cloud, storing our wallets in the cloud and mining in the cloud
mircea_popescu: yes, except now pushed by the more corrupt of the mining gear manufacturers.
cazalla: i suspect most of them are ponzi and some operate as such until they collect enough funds to actually mine, fake it till you make it "the secret" type shit
Apocalyptic: cazalla, probably
mircea_popescu: knc is already established and has gear.
cazalla: in the case of GAW, they point to bitmain and had them confirm that they placed an order as proof that they mine and people fall for it all the same
mircea_popescu: a well, sure, plenty of scams. those are of little consequence.
JorgePasada: cazalla: People actually think GAW is anything but a ponzi scheme?
cazalla: eventually someone will come up with the idea of renaming the ponzi to a mining simulator and pitch it as such
mircea_popescu: the fact that chip manufacturers are mostly not selling to individuals anymore, and the fact that mining is moving towards meaningless "cloud" derivatives is some point of concern.
asciilifeform: the vertically-integrated miner i spoke of 1yr ago - is either coming, or is churning already.
JorgePasada: asciilifeform: vertically integrated miner?
cazalla: i imagine knc will mine and then once returns drop, they'll begin selling the cloud services to mine from customers wallets than bitcoin mining itself
asciilifeform: JorgePasada: yes. chip fab, energy/cooling planet, mining house - in one facility.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it finally danwed on me after seeing that comment on the humble proposal to miners
mircea_popescu: that indeed preheating water with the extracted heat would boost efficiency enormously.
asciilifeform: it seemed like an inevitability when turned out that asic is a proposition at all
JorgePasada: I don't think it'll happen, too much concentration of risk. Maybe in like 3 years after the next reward cut
JorgePasada: Maybe then
JorgePasada: But, there would be enormous amonuts of risk in something like that
JorgePasada: that wouldn't be outweighed by the efficiency gains from the vertical integration IMO
asciilifeform: if it does not presently exist, it is solely from lack of sufficiently cooperative physical sovereign.
asciilifeform: as JorgePasada pointed out - 'target-rich environment.'
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada risk in itself is no detraction.
asciilifeform: 'risk' is wrong word. something like a satellite launch is among the highest-risk physical investments - but people do it.
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: No, but you'd have to find a way to not make it a 100% deep 0% wide business, you'd need wiggle room
asciilifeform: but when launching (peacetime) orbital rocket, one is merely gambling, not fighting a war
asciilifeform: gigantic mining op - target.
JorgePasada: if the only point of the thing is to churn out more mining chips to put in the space of the thing
JorgePasada: it's self limiting
JorgePasada: and if anything changes in the market, it could crash the whole thing
JorgePasada: I mean, if you can say
JorgePasada: improve heating/cooling, etc
JorgePasada: for stuff they're going to do anyway in the plant
mircea_popescu: "The resultant society, however, was still reasonably stable and probably would have lasted a very long time if it had not been for Rome’s expansionist policies, which led to the establishment of the Empire." << this notion, that it was "expansionism" that broke rome's back, together with the previous "Its power was not based on hereditary status but much more on wealth. Such a change in itself must have seriously un
mircea_popescu: dermined the basis of social stability, by substituting the bonds established by “contract” for those dependent on “status” as a basis for social order." are little more than present nonsense anachronised.
JorgePasada: but then instead of going all out with the mining
JorgePasada: Just have the plant be 20% mining but only the 20% where you're gonna be wasting the energy anyway
JorgePasada: or need heat exchangers
JorgePasada: or whatever
mircea_popescu: it is not true that money and wealth is "wrong" or "corrupts", as the fucking protestants would have you believe. it is not true that appetite or expansion are evil, as the puritans would hae you believe.
JorgePasada: that'd be huge
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada you read the comment in question ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not 'evil' but 'car that runs out of gas' as per your stalin article.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note that it was trying to administer the lands that ruined them. not conquering them in the first place.
asciilifeform: well yes.
mircea_popescu: well it's a fucking important distinction.
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: Yeah, I'd agree with that quote and your subsiquent comment for the most part
JorgePasada: It's just that, if we're still talking about the vertically integrated mining thing, I don't see it as a viable play to accumulate wealth
JorgePasada: maybe I mis-used the word 'risk' earlier
mircea_popescu: well, why not ? let me run a quick model for you here.
mircea_popescu: 1MW is used to generate hashing power. this means it turns into 9.999 MJ of heat. This heat is extracted, by compressor using 180kJ, and 6MJ of it are used to preheat some water.
mircea_popescu: this water has another .7MJ added by a nuclear power plant, turns to steam, powers a turbine, putting out 1MW of electricity which restarts the cycle.
mircea_popescu: your costs ? .18 + .3 = ~.5 MJ to keep a 1MW circuit going perpetually.
mircea_popescu: this is roughly speaking 3 to 5x the efficiency your competition gets.
asciilifeform: 10 MW ?
mircea_popescu: (i obviously fucked up my digit breaks, but i think the idea carries anyway ?)
mircea_popescu: 1mw, .999 mj, .18mj, .6mj restated.
asciilifeform: well yes, anyone who remembers 'carnot cycle' can follow the outline.
mircea_popescu: right ? turning a simple one way consumer into an actual integrated cycle is huge.
asciilifeform: also note the virtually absent transmission losses (implicit in the customery power plant + distant miners scheme)
mircea_popescu: it's not just "an improvement". it's cultural revolution huge, like the automobile.
mircea_popescu: yup, they were noted.
asciilifeform: all that remains is to place it aboard a sub and pump seawater for cold loop.
mircea_popescu: you and subs srsly.
asciilifeform: also handles physical security very well.
mircea_popescu: you know sub seamen are all gay right ?
asciilifeform: well, in usa.
mircea_popescu: everywhere lol.
asciilifeform: even the swedish female ones?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck do you think can put up with constantly rubbing against other dudes ?
mircea_popescu: women can be gay too.
asciilifeform: who the fuck do you think can put up with constantly << conscripts.
mircea_popescu: c onscripts are also gay.
asciilifeform: whether men conscripted to ru sub turn gay, is an interesting question - but minersub needs only minimal crew.
mircea_popescu: lmao how do you figure ?
mircea_popescu: sub whose only job is to defend itself needs x crew
mircea_popescu: sub that does that + mining needs more, not less.
asciilifeform: well, depends on enemy, no?
mircea_popescu: course these days due to automation, crews are kinda obsolete in both aviation and submersion roles.
asciilifeform: in peacetime - yes
asciilifeform: crew is there primarily to operate weapons (this was not entrusted to automata, afaik, anywhere) and to make repairs.
JorgePasada: asciilifeform: We've had peacetime in the last 100 years?
mircea_popescu: repairs!
mircea_popescu: what do you think this is, nixon's term ?
asciilifeform: if no plan to make repairs / fire weapons, dispense with the sub and sink glass miner-spheres as described earlier.
asciilifeform: water-cooled RTG for power.
asciilifeform: net connectivity - exercise for alert reader.
ben_vulpes: !s berkshire mpoe-pr
ben_vulpes: !s berkshire bitcointalk
assbot: 0 results for 'berkshire bitcointalk' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=berkshire+bitcointalk
ben_vulpes: arrrrgh
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes can i assist ?
ben_vulpes: i seek that bh letter mpoe-pr posted that talks about diminishing returns on hardware investments
ben_vulpes: drew a parallel between mining and weaving
ben_vulpes: i do this once per quarter, i swear
assbot: ASICMINER vs. Cado.AvalonB3 | Bitcointa.lk ... ( http://bit.ly/1zBzyx6 )
ben_vulpes: dude how do you do that
ben_vulpes: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/asicminer-vs-cado-avalonb3.120172/#post-2008102 mpoe-pr hanbot mining looms diminishing returns berkshire hathaway
assbot: ASICMINER vs. Cado.AvalonB3 | Bitcointa.lk ... ( http://bit.ly/1zBzD45 )
ben_vulpes: k well pegged for this search next quarter
ben_vulpes: ty mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how do i do it lol. she's on my payroll and keeps things organised for my convenience ?
asciilifeform: mpoepr on retainer? neato.
ben_vulpes: has it not always been so?
ben_vulpes: i felt a great disturbance in the blockchain
mircea_popescu: "Also he possessed a wife and child. This, too, was a great innovation."
mircea_popescu: i so loathe it when people try to serve a solid point by pious fraud.
ben_vulpes: as if a million log readers wondered what happened to a slave's salary, and were suddently silenced
mircea_popescu: jupiter had a wife. he was someone's child. etc.
mircea_popescu: “The poor citizen found almost all the spheres in which an honourable livelihood might be obtained wholly or at least in a very great degree preoccupied by slaves, while he had learnt to regard trade with an invincible repugnance." <<< here's a good question. how come the "free citizen" aka, delusional derp can not compete with the slave ?
mircea_popescu: is it that the slave is actually a better human being, strictly for having had the sense to be a slave, and follow the will of a worthy master
ben_vulpes: privilege of having a master :D
mircea_popescu: rather than just pretend like "everything's equalk anyway"
ben_vulpes: americans envy each other the "good boss"
mircea_popescu: anyway. the problem of re-reading. i find goldsmith much less on point than i did back when i first read him.
mircea_popescu: coupla decades ago
ben_vulpes: so i've pushed my 0.5.3 up to block 249618, and am now going to run it past the block at which asciilifeform reports wedging, and hopefully all the way to memory exhaustion
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/QWappVgz << check out all the supercool haxing and stuff.
assbot: 0-941.68 67.198.128.13823.235.236.26GET /web-console/ServerInfo.jsp HTTP/1.1 - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hir96T )
kakobrekla: btw not too much relevant but i wedged 0.7 at 252450
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: hah no wai recently?
rithm: haxing
kakobrekla: so just over a day ago
ben_vulpes: gtk kakobrekla ty
rithm: who be Krypt Technologies VPLSNET (NET-67-198-128-0-1) 67.198.128.0 - 67.198.255.255
mircea_popescu: rithm random hoster
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00075787 = 13.0733 BTC [+]
rithm: call Ken Chan
assbot: ASN 35908 - search on blocklist.de for: ASN: 35908 VPLSNET - Krypt Technologies - Hits: 82; ; -- www.blocklist.de ... ( http://bit.ly/1HisKtB )
mircea_popescu: Attacks count: 148 (this month) / 495 (complete time)
kakobrekla: im gonna try with set_lk_max_locks 40000
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla try with 500k
kakobrekla: db.log sez >Lock table is out of available lock entries
mircea_popescu: set_lk_max_locks 500000
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