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nubbins`: from the next zine we're publishing
nubbins`: his face makes me feel funny :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 250 @ 0.00045003 = 0.1125 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00534938 = 1.0699 BTC [-] {4}
ozbot: The perfect escrow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00535 = 0.3157 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.00511 = 0.138 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 2000 @ 0.00500135 = 10.0027 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 868 @ 0.005 = 4.34 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00511 = 0.2453 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0050539 = 0.5054 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00503001 = 0.498 BTC [-]
skinnkavaj: pankkake
skinnkavaj: So tonight Gavin Andresen made changes to Litecoin source code
skinnkavaj: And many other developers
skinnkavaj: LTC is used as a testing ground
skinnkavaj: And you think LTC is uselesss? You are useless for thinking that
skinnkavaj: Open your mind
skinnkavaj: Think outside of the box
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.0052 = 0.312 BTC [+]
jurov: bitcoin every day, litecoin every night. cool!
VanCleef: litecoin a new scam by satoshi
jurov: at least they are classy. unlike xrrrrrp
pankkake: skinnkavaj: *I* made changes to the litecoin source code. are you flabbergasted yet?
pankkake: skinnkavaj: could you point out the commits? I have a feeling you don't know how git works
Apocalyptic: pankkake, i totally am
Apocalyptic: we should label you the LTC developper
pankkake: however it's interesting to node that wtogami contributes a lot to bitcoin
pankkake: note
bitesak: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 207.48043, Best ask: 208.28998, Bid-ask spread: 0.80955, Last trade: 208.28998, 24 hour volume: 5828.45863154, 24 hour low: 204.02000, 24 hour high: 209.79000, 24 hour vwap: 206.99371
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00272953 = 1.3648 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00272999 = 0.6825 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 770 @ 0.00273876 = 2.1088 BTC [+] {3}
bitesak: so it seems ltc hasn't reached the bottom yet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1590 @ 0.0027877 = 4.4324 BTC [+]
KRS1: It will reach the bottom when you click this
bitesak: done
ozbot: Norwegian student Kristoffer Koch buys $27 in bitcoin in 2009, now he owns an apartment |
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
KRS1: good article
kakobrekla: is short "Look bitch, its 200 now, shut the fuck up from now on."
kakobrekla: in short*
kakobrekla: ok WTF
kakobrekla: plus 500 tells me, most popular forex pairs last 3 days: first EURUSD, second BITCOIN/USD, third EUR/JPY
kakobrekla: didnt that thing ipo or something?
bitesak: popular in terms of word of mouth or something, obviously not volume.. yet
kakobrekla: bitesak it doest say
ThickerThanThiev: $20k in sales
kakobrekla: also they trade CFD
kakobrekla: so it does not affect the market
ThickerThanThiev: "No forced buyback may be enforced for shares of BitPride."
kakobrekla: cause they are a bucket shop
ThickerThanThiev: so they are selling an already sold co
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 15 @ 0.00779987 = 0.117 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: you mean like EV sold SD twice?
kakobrekla: anyway not sure what their contract says
kakobrekla: if they even have one
kleeck: Ah, Healthcare.gov...
kleeck: What a beautiful mess.
kleeck: I logged on just to see what all the fuss is about. Yup. Worst $1B Website ever.
kakobrekla: whats wrong?
kakobrekla: no facebook login?
kleeck: Hahaha.
kleeck: Everything is wrong.
kleeck: Hardly anyone can get through to SEE a quote.
kleeck: You have to fill out pages on pages of household info - think doing your taxes just to see if the USG can do anything for you.
kleeck: It's abysmal.
kakobrekla: sucks for mericans
kleeck: I'm sure I won't qualify for anything better than my work provides, but I wanted to check it.
kleeck: I couldn't even get past the household information section. It just locked up.
kleeck: Maybe I can SQL inject my info...
kleeck: I decided to chat with one of ther operators. A feature that actually worked.
kleeck: That was fun.
kakobrekla: how come?
kleeck: To see if there was a solution to getting through the fucking form.
kleeck: lol
kleeck: Here's an excerpt:
kleeck: [08:09:49 am]: CALLER
kleeck: How is it that $600M doesn't at LEAST get me through the form section.
kleeck: [08:09:54 am]: CALLER
kleeck: I mean. I'm filling in fields on a form...
kleeck: [08:10:46 am]: Marissa
kleeck: Even though we can provide you with information about the Marketplace, we cannot give our opinions or advice about your health care options. We can provide you with the facts and help you understand your choices. If you need additional support, you can reach out to the consumer assistance programs within your state
kleeck: [08:11:05 am]: CALLER
kleeck: Ouch... macro'd.
kleeck: [08:11:33 am]: CALLER
kleeck: Fair enough, Marissa. I know you didn't build this magnificent beast.
kleeck: [08:11:45 am]: CALLER
kleeck: Have a good day.
kleeck: < CALLER
kleeck: Poor call center people...
kakobrekla: how is it a call if its a text
kleeck: It isn't...
kleeck: Here's a better bit:
kleeck: [08:06:19 am]: CALLER
kleeck: I guess I'll just have to check back when the US Gov learns how to build a proper website.
kleeck: [08:06:47 am]: Marissa
kleeck: Unfortunately the website will not let you go any further due to the technical issue. You can call the Marketplace and they can pick up your app where you left off if you would like.
kleeck: [08:06:48 am]: CALLER
kleeck: This whole internet thing is pretty new, so I'll cut them some slack.
kleeck: [08:07:08 am]: Marissa
kleeck: Thank you for being so patient,
kleeck: [08:07:19 am]: CALLER
kleeck: Oh, of course.
kleeck: :)
kakobrekla: this gets transcribed automagically?!
kleeck: Eh?
kleeck: Copy and Paste?
kakobrekla: so not a call.
kleeck: No.
kleeck: It was a chat session.
kleeck: Built into the site.
kleeck: Sorry.
kakobrekla: is what boggled me
kleeck: ah
kakobrekla: no worries
kleeck: lol
kakobrekla: ah well
kakobrekla: i guess noone properly tested the shit
kleeck: The site was $600,000 before what they're calling "The Tech Surge" - meaning they hired even more incompetent people to work for time and half or double time.
kleeck: They imposed their own deadline on applications, then realized their site doesn't work to GET the applications.
kleeck: But you can fill out a paper form and mail it in...
kakobrekla: it just wouldnt look as good with only 60k on the bill.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 9 @ 0.06010002 = 0.5409 BTC [-]
kleeck: In my experience with systems architecture, having MORE people working on isolating the problem doesn't make anything better.
kleeck: If anything, for me, it has slowed down processes .
kakobrekla: are they getting it fixd now?
kleeck: They're trying.
ThickAsThieves: People act like they never had to deal with a broken website before
ThickAsThieves: or that a new national healthcare website having problems is a travesty
ThickAsThieves: it was probly some Tea Party web devs that sabotaged it anyway
ThickAsThieves: people need to just calm down and "get off the forums"
bitesak: It seems more of a symptom than the real problem
ThickAsThieves: the real problem being that humans are human?
kakobrekla: the real problem is chemtrailz
deadweasel: and HAARP
bitesak: the real problem is that there is no problem
bidji: There is a 4 Millions $ IPO of mcxNOW right now! At https://mcxnow.com/buymcx.html . It's a Bitcoin Exchange. You can follow it in realtime.
bidji: it's currently only for the existing holder, but it will open to the public in ~64hours
bitesak: where does the 4 million figure come from?
kakobrekla: the formula is: 1*ScamFactor
bitesak: 12288 accounts !
kakobrekla: reddit has more
Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, guess ScamFactor is pretty high
kakobrekla: and its worth 5$
kakobrekla: ok 8$, cause of the emails.
ThickAsThieves: isnt mcxnow a ponzi?
kakobrekla: dunno but he sounds really solid guy!
Apocalyptic: indeed
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Not a ponzi. It's legit. But still a high price.
skinnkavaj: The interest is made from all trading fees.
bitesak: it smells like and until proven otherwise, it shall or should be treated as such
kakobrekla: A legit ponzi.
ThickAsThieves: how is it legit?
ThickAsThieves: dont they pay you to carry a balance?
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: How can you even throw a word like ponzi
skinnkavaj: Do you know what it means?
skinnkavaj: Please
skinnkavaj: The interst is made from
kakobrekla: its a surname doh!
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: yes, but it's from the trading fees only
skinnkavaj: all trading fees
ThickAsThieves: do they or do they not have services that pay you to simply hold money there?
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Seriously shut the fuck up.
bitesak: and only trading fees, not the balance !
skinnkavaj: Don't open your mouth and throw words like poni without knowing anthing.
ThickAsThieves: dude shut up
pankkake: ponies
kakobrekla: NO PONY
bitesak: Amazing
pankkake: mcxnow is a pony exchange? now I want in
skinnkavaj: Everything that is not understood is ponzi
dexX7: "dividends" are paid out with trading fees for "fee shares", trading "fee shares" generates fees
kakobrekla: also has racehorces from ireland.
skinnkavaj: Reminsd me of when trying to explain bitcoin
skinnkavaj: PONZI
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves LOL
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin is a ponzi
kakobrekla: but not a pony.
ThickAsThieves: def not a poni
skinnkavaj: I think all exchanges should take over after mcxNOW model
skinnkavaj: Share trading fee profits with users.
skinnkavaj: Would be fair.
ThickAsThieves: "Join the investment class today and start the wealth creation process!" is their main headline
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Yeah. But not a ponzi sceheme. Seriously don't use that word.
skinnkavaj: It makes you classified retarded in public if you do.
VanCleef: triangle scheme?
VanCleef: pyramid
ThickAsThieves: i guess i'm retarded
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Not retarded
skinnkavaj: But you went full retrd
skinnkavaj: Never go full retard.
ThickAsThieves: and skinnkavaj is the wise one
pankkake: even a broken clock is right twice a day
Apocalyptic: <skinnkavaj> But you went full retrd // you're telling that to TAT, rofl
ThickAsThieves: mcxnow bid book for ltc is 74btc total
skinnkavaj: Apocalyptic: Like TAT is some holy god. I have much respect for TAT. But almost lost it now when he throw a word like ponzi, without any resarch.
pankkake: it's just after btc-e in volume according to cryptocoincharts, though
ThickAsThieves: stinkavag, when i say ponzi, all i mean is that they are not making as much profit as are gicing out
ThickAsThieves: so this new IPO is likely the cash out
ThickAsThieves: and if people still believe after this, maybe theyll milk some more
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Seriously, google ponzi sceheme. I think you and many else need to learn what it means.
VanCleef: this is like the asicminer scam all over again this mcxnow
kakobrekla: wut?!
ThickAsThieves: so mcxnow gets all these idiots to deposit their coin
ThickAsThieves: and divs are paid usign the deposits
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, you figured it out
ThickAsThieves: yeah, a poni
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: If you think about it, it's genius and have very good reason to be legit. By giving out 25% of all profit generated, they draw attention from users and from investors. And they are more likely to trade there. I am not affilaited with the site, but I saw it's potential early.
skinnkavaj: It's a really good exchange, you cannot take away that.
ThickAsThieves: what profit?
dexX7: and divs are paid usign the deposits << afaik by trading fees, not deposits - deposits receive a fraction of the fees though
ThickAsThieves: from scamming depositors?
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: You know all exchanges have trading fees?
skinnkavaj: Like 0.2% on all trades.
ThickAsThieves: they do!?
ThickAsThieves: this changes everything
dexX7: lol
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: it's not a fixed interest. it's a part of the trading fees
skinnkavaj: They also have in their trollbox, something called payed bans. You can pay and ban anyone you want from typing in chat.
skinnkavaj: Pretty hilarious function.
kakobrekla: dexX7: thats nefarios thing
dexX7: yup
kakobrekla: that exchange.
pankkake: paid bans are indeed a good feature
ThickAsThieves: you know you are at a pro site when you have to pay to get rid of the vagrants
ThickAsThieves: its not a good feature
ThickAsThieves: its idiocy
pankkake: I'd make myself banned all the time by trolling and be rich (well, if I was getting the fees)
Apocalyptic: TAT, don't bother
skinnkavaj: I think we need to change definition of ponzi, it's thrown out every time when something is not understood. Even by respected people in the community like ThickAsThieves. Can anyone update wiki page?
Apocalyptic: pankkake, i'm sure you would be great at it
Apocalyptic: mircea really needs to update his post about skinnkavaj
Apocalyptic: it gets better
ThickAsThieves: so how many mcxnow shares is everyone buying?
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Nothing. It's overpriced.
nubbins`: i thought skinnkavaj was just a random word generator with a bias towards "ltc"
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Do you remember Litecoinglobal IPO?
bidji: Interest are not paid using the deposit of newcomer It's paid using 25% of all the fee generated by the exchange. When the total BTC depositwnet from 1000BTc to 10000BTc, the interest shrinked
skinnkavaj: Listen to bidji^
ThickAsThieves: so you have reports of all money paid out versus all income?
dexX7: 100000 fee shares in total, 5000 issued, 45000 up for sale now
nubbins`: <kleeck>The site was $600,000 before what they're calling "The Tech Surge" - meaning they hired even more incompetent people to work for time and half or double time.
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: No it's ponzi.
ozbot: Google Drive
nubbins`: yeah. because adding more resources solves the problem quicker
nubbins`: except it doesn't
nubbins`: while i've never read "the mythical man-month", i'm told it addresses this very problem
Jere_Jones: "Nine women can't make a baby in one month"
nubbins`: right?
dexX7: issued was maybe the wrong word.. 5000 are traded, all 100k received "dividends" afaiak
ThickAsThieves: i only glanced, but i dont see trade fee income on these sheets
kleeck: <kleeck> In my experience with systems architecture, having MORE people working on isolating the problem doesn't make anything better.
kleeck: <kleeck> If anything, for me, it has slowed down processes .
nubbins`: if 10 people can eat a pizza in 10 minutes, then surely 100 people can eat the same pizza in 1 minute, right?
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Maybe because it's ponzi
nubbins`: only wait, some asshole has to cut a pizza into 100 pieces
nubbins`: which takes a half hour and ruins the pizza
ThickAsThieves: not sur ethats the best example
ThickAsThieves: 100 people will def eat a pizza faster
nubbins`: food analogies resonate with people
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: once it's cut, yes
ThickAsThieves: why cut it?
ThickAsThieves: just bite it
pankkake: adding to the lulz, the owner is an altcoin developer!
nubbins`: ....
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Good job with Neobee though
skinnkavaj: Have you met Danny IRL?
nubbins`: 100 people biting a pizza
ThickAsThieves: Yes, I have.
nubbins`: that sounds more like an episode of the walking dead
ThickAsThieves: pizza would be eaten in like 90secs
skinnkavaj: Bitcoin = ponzi scehem created by Satoshi Nakamoto
skinnkavaj: I dont understand
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin is an anarco-ponzi
ThickAsThieves: basically use everyone's greed and nerdiness to adopt it,
ThickAsThieves: then blink it all away with a glitch
pankkake: quantum computing!
ThickAsThieves: anarcho*
skinnkavaj: pankkake: Quantum Ponzi
skinnkavaj: Quantum what?
nubbins`: anarcho-quantum ponzi
ThickAsThieves: everyone is left poor and crying for regulation
nubbins`: sounds like you're describing gold
ThickAsThieves: meanwhile the forum is up in arms because Friedcat may or may not have told a chinese girl things everyone knew already
ThickAsThieves: and cuz Neo uses Oracle
ThickAsThieves: funny people
pankkake: > Neo uses Oracle
ThickAsThieves: didnt ecven realize
nubbins`: that bitcoin atm is really making waves here in canada
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00531666 = 0.319 BTC [-] {2}
lewicki: what kind of waves?
skinnkavaj: Ponzi waves
pankkake: ripples
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0052 = 0.13 BTC [-]
skinnkavaj: Everyone is getting rich together!
skinnkavaj: Bitcoin pyramid is not stopping!
skinnkavaj: We are going to the m00n!
nubbins`: news waves
nubbins`: or, y'know, ripples
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 248 @ 0.00110996 = 0.2753 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00502067 = 0.1506 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5611 = 2.8055 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: y'know, i'm kind of surprised havelock is still allowing US customers
kleeck: I do love Puppet though. He's the guy running around the party telling everyone who is smoking that they're damaging their lungs, and everyone that is drinking underage or doing illicit drugs that they're breaking the law.
lewicki: that thread is sooo friggin long haaha
kleeck: it is lewicki, it is
kleeck: Quite the cluterfuck.
ThickAsThieves: are you surprised mpex is serving US customers too?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.399 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 8080 @ 0.00010119 = 0.8176 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.31500016 BTC [-]
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: nope
nubbins`: i don't think mpex gives a particular fuck about US regulations
skinnkavaj: I would like to fuck MPOE-PR and never touch her again
nubbins`: granted, i can't recall a romanian national ever being extradited to america to face charges for something they did while in romania, so there doesn't appear to by any particular need to give a fuck
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Would you like that?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ignored, sry
VanCleef: lol never touch her again
nubbins`: implication is that he usually gets to touch women again after having sex with them
kleeck: implying that he has sex with women.
kleeck: dogs, maybe.
kleeck: but only hooker dogs.
nubbins`: "i fucked my bitch again"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.31500016 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2}
kleeck: "cheapest bitch on the block, man. Demands day old KFC. Eats the bones and all. Wild-ass mutt."
nubbins`: any of you guys watch trailer park boys?
KRS-: young moola BAYBAYY
KRS-: kleeck: puppet as in puppet labs?
KRS-: nvm
Apocalyptic: <bidji> objectively, 10% yield is pretty good. But i think the future growth can be really good, because the owner will add gaming/gambling on the site
Apocalyptic: so it will be an exchange + gambling site in one ?
bidji: yep
KRS-: that guy
bidji: because all the security stuff is already done + a lot of money deposited, it's a lot easier to do gambling succesfully
KRS-: tight
bidji: That's why i think 0.4BTC/share is a very good deal. The potential of growth is huge
ozbot: mcxNOW - Buy mcxFEE
skinnkavaj: Personally I am waiting until next week when it's going to be 0.2BTC/share
skinnkavaj: It's going to get dumped even if it does sell out, which I doubt.
bidji: i doubt it will go this low. Maybe 0.35, but not sure
bidji: Good return are already here
Apocalyptic: KRS-, yep
Apocalyptic: he's a visionary, like the Steeve Jobs of bitcoin
kleeck: Oh god. can we never say that again, please?
bidji: Not really, Steve Jobs was very good at PR not in tech. and dev.
KRS-: hehe yea with that comes fans and haters alike
bidji: RealSolid (owner of mcxNOW) is an utterly disaster PR wise
Apocalyptic: so bidji you're helping him out
bidji: But very good at develloping
Apocalyptic: that's kind of you
bidji: Yeah i try ;) I can't be worse than him for sure
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 307 @ 0.00072849 = 0.2236 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 990 @ 0.00110998 = 1.0989 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]
bitesak: mpex is on vacation !!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00531998 = 1.064 BTC [+] {2}
kleeck: WOw. Today is full of governmental fail...
kleeck: Now it's State Gov, though. The Fed is off the hook. FOR NOW.
ozbot: Story from leaked sex report also in DVD sent to schools - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: government fail here too
jurov: wait wat, mcxnow is owned by solidcoin/microcrash creator?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00278769 = 0.1143 BTC [+]
jurov: then i dont need to know anything more
ozbot: Sesso metro B a Roma: la foto fa il giro dei socialnetwork
jurov: proud to be yurpn :DDD
jurov: clearly the feds
ThickAsThieves: crazy enough to give bfl $1m?
jurov: "Butterfly Labs can now ship this merchandise with confidence that there will be no reversibility or chargeback of the payment, which is a significant risk when accepting credit cards online or PayPal,” said Gallippi.
jurov: confidence indeed
nubbins`: hahaha
ThickAsThieves: "customers cant get their money back now, even if we should give it to them"
dexX7: that's not even 120 th
nubbins`: failbot
ThickAsThieves: headline on cnn.com "What did Obama know, and when did he find out?"
dexX7: ah maybe this one: https://products.butterflylabs.com/1-gh-cloud-hosted-bitcoin-hashing-power.html max allowed 100000 (= 100 th) for $1,083,000.00
ThickAsThieves: what the hell does it matter?
skinnkavaj: It makes me sad that rich investors is wasting their money on BFL.
nubbins`: really?
KRS-: I wasted my money on BFL and made a few bucks =/
nubbins`: "i'm sad that rich people are losing money"
KRS-: poor rich people
nubbins`: yeah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 33 @ 0.06010015 = 1.9833 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.00539999 = 0.4212 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0054 = 0.1188 BTC [+] {2}
KRS-: why would the feds order $1MM worth of mining equipment? seems odd
KRS-: (U.S. feds)
ozbot: How I compiled TrueCrypt 7.1a for Win32 and matched the official binaries
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00546786 = 2.7339 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.0055 = 2.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.0055 = 0.2255 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.33979998 = 0.6796 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 3500 @ 0.00110998 = 3.8849 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 835 @ 0.0051 = 4.2585 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 313 @ 0.00278769 = 0.8725 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 250 @ 0.00110998 = 0.2775 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 266722 | Current Difficulty: 3.9092878763808584E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 268127 | Next Difficulty In: 1405 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 0 hours, 9 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 465946262.015 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.18955
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 212.63005, Best ask: 212.88000, Bid-ask spread: 0.24995, Last trade: 212.89000, 24 hour volume: 9574.47438301, 24 hour low: 204.02000, 24 hour high: 214.76999, 24 hour vwap: 208.79044
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00549797 = 0.3024 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00278769 = 1.1151 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00278769 = 0.1394 BTC [+]
dexX7: ah nvm, this is something old
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [+] {2}
kleeck: why are people buying AM?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00534997 = 0.535 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00534996 = 0.535 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19443 @ 0.00017998 = 3.4994 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 998 @ 0.000101 = 0.1008 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00018 = 0.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2800 @ 0.00018 = 0.504 BTC [+]
kleeck: So mcxNOW is MPex's new exchange, right?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1419 @ 0.00110734 = 1.5713 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6992 @ 0.00018 = 1.2586 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.005339 = 1.6017 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 362 @ 0.00110998 = 0.4018 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 3000 @ 0.00105235 = 3.1571 BTC [-] {15}
jurov: thx kakobrekla looks like i need this
kakobrekla: you gonna try it out?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 772 @ 0.005339 = 4.1217 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 244 @ 0.00538815 = 1.3147 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.005498 = 0.1649 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 300 @ 0.00109783 = 0.3293 BTC [+] {3}
Andiz: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 212.31211, Best ask: 212.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.18789, Last trade: 212.50000, 24 hour volume: 9662.27925930, 24 hour low: 204.02000, 24 hour high: 214.76999, 24 hour vwap: 209.02524
jurov: "blow stamps" i like this!
mircea_popescu: dude with all these crashed raids, i now have the bitcoin/usd rate from unixtime 45788995934578218
mircea_popescu: which we could say is in the future.
mircea_popescu: also from time 478, and also 0, and even before that.
dexX7: bye last safe harbor, that's the end of bitcoin finance
kleeck: lol
mircea_popescu: I HAVE TEH KNOWLEDGE
mircea_popescu: next time someone asks me how i know all this shit ima be all like "dude... my raids crashed".
pankkake: the dog ate my homework
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13892 @ 0.00018 = 2.5006 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63 BTC [+]
KRS1-: what is the price in the future
KRS1-: drumroll..
KRS1-: Current title: The Sundays - Wild Horses
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.35 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i could share that for the low low price of 4506982753094509 btc
KRS1-: ah come on really
KRS1-: I think you got your decimal point in the wrong place, FOO
mircea_popescu: my system uses decimal curly braces
mircea_popescu: so a foo is yoo
KRS1-: funny how some of the world uses commmmmmmmmmmmmas
KRS1-: oops...commas
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 226 @ 0.00262104 = 0.5924 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1974 @ 0.0026 = 5.1324 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.65089997 = 2.6036 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Is TrueCrypt Audited Yet?
kakobrekla: you see this
kakobrekla: we need isbitcoindocumentationwrittenyet.com
kakobrekla: or specification
kakobrekla: a better word.
kakobrekla: any takers?
smickles: o/ I can not-do that
kakobrekla: which part
smickles: writing documentation
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol srsly.
kakobrekla: no srsly ill look into getting someone who writes good docu
kakobrekla: and ask how much would it cost
kakobrekla: to have the thing done
kakobrekla: and talk to the devs to make it right
kakobrekla: in the process
kakobrekla: how bad could it fail1?
smickles: wow, kakobrekla doing good for the community
smickles: i just didn't expect it with such a long url joke-seeming things
nubbins`: worst allergy attack of my life
nubbins`: 4.5 hours and counting
kakobrekla: smickles big problem needs long url.
kakobrekla: you prolly have a low amount of phone number too!
mircea_popescu: lmao a large amount of url!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i had asked 3 different people so far, which all promised they're going to do it.
mircea_popescu: over the past maybe 1year give or take.
kakobrekla: for pay ofc?
mircea_popescu: as long as it's reasonable.
mircea_popescu: im not about to pay $100 an hour for 9400 hours or w/e
kakobrekla: yeah im trying to get a quote.
mircea_popescu: the catch of course is that it has to be good.
mircea_popescu: otherwise sure, get some odesk kid with credentials of having worked for labcoin or bitfinex or w/e
kakobrekla: no no that .
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.65099999 = 13.02 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: im not even considering some random dude
nubbins`: good documentation is a rare beast
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.65799996 = 3.29 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00565887 = 1.1318 BTC [+] {7}
kleeck: .d
ozbot: 390928787.63809 | Next Diff in 1377 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.4814% in 7d 18h 56m 25s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.00569499 = 0.393 BTC [+]
bidji: Do you remember the mcxNOW IPO i talked abour earlier?
bidji: They already raised 1 Million dollar!
bidji: In like 12 hours
bidji: https://mcxnow.com/buymcx.html With a big Meter updated in Real-time!
ozbot: mcxNOW - Buy mcxFEE
kakobrekla: if i reckon, the guy is in merrica.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [+]
dexX7: hm i would almost bet that there were ~33358 shares remaining 8 hours ago, too...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00575371 = 0.5754 BTC [+] {5}
kakobrekla: so he sold 1 share?
dexX7: :D
bidji: no , there was 45 000 share left 12-13 hours ago
dexX7: but anyway, i never traded on that website, but it feels soo smooth and fast *_* (i'm serious)
bidji: he sold 12,000
kakobrekla: i lold when reading teh footer
dexX7: hehe yea
kakobrekla: you can see immediately its some retarded kid.
dexX7: maybe. and now he is cashing out
bidji: well, the guy have 15+ year experience in c++.
dub: but he has Experience (tm)
bidji: Just test the site, you'll see it's not coded in a weeks
bidji: Faster than any other exchange, just try
dub: how much is he paying you to ruin your rep shilling for it?
kakobrekla: 1 sher per 12 hrs it seems
kakobrekla: share
dexX7: i think trading is locked atm
bidji: Only the trading of the mcxFEE, you can trade Altcoin
dexX7: so the market doesn't crash due to (potentially) 10x additional shares
dexX7: *9x
kakobrekla: bidji you know you can just come in here and claim some shit and expect everybody to go along
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 36 @ 0.6301 = 22.6836 BTC [-] {3}
bidji: that's why i suggest you test it
kakobrekla: thats why i suggest you shut the fuck up and lurk moar
dub: ^
bidji: People are investing 1 million$ in the site, maybe they know what they are doing don't you think
kakobrekla: maybe
bidji: they did the math
dub: no
kakobrekla: prolly not.
nubbins`: nope
bidji: 10% yield at current volume
bidji: And it's growing very fast
bidji: There is 2000 BTC trading volume each day
bidji: Just want to spread awareness
kakobrekla: well thank you so much for exposing another scam now lets move along.
bidji: Good luck with your investment, i'm happy with mine and wanted to share
imsaguy: why would you share?
imsaguy: if you're making so much money, you'd want to keep it a secret
imsaguy: and make even more money
kakobrekla: we fools are gonna buy in later.
bidji: Because it's in my interest. More people on the site, more growth
imsaguy: I like being the last person to hold the bag
kakobrekla: o o i smell pony!
kakobrekla: must be the manure.
imsaguy: don't you feel like a pony when you sweat?
bidji: You realise it's share in a trading exchange? So more people on it, more fee revenue. Simple as that
kakobrekla: i think thats too much for my math skills, do i have to divide by 0?
imsaguy: I just round up
smickles: i feel like someone is trying to sell chocolate on the front lawn of hersheys
imsaguy: 0/0=1
smickles: (sp?)
kakobrekla: oh yeah that makes sense well sign me up for 2 shares! no, make it 3!
imsaguy: whenever the divisor = the numerator, the product equals one.
smickles: $vwap mpoe
mpexbot: smickles: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
smickles: shit
ozbot: The horror of horrors pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
imsaguy: smickles, mpex is migrating to the 50btc platform
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that
imsaguy: "we got 'hacked' and stole all of your money" platform.
dexX7: happy birthday
imsaguy: every day is a birthday
mircea_popescu: dub bidiji (51403667@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.64.54.103) has a reputation to ruin now ?
mircea_popescu: imsaguy hater!
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: at least I'm equal opportunity with my hating.
mircea_popescu: do you hate obama ?
imsaguy: He's like 7/16 black, of course.
mircea_popescu: cute kittens with tits ?
smickles: obama stopped the recording of wizard history
imsaguy: kittens dont have tits.
mircea_popescu: caramel and whiskey tits!
imsaguy: good try though.
mircea_popescu: dude actually a cat that had nice tits which sprouted whiskey and caramel would make a great pet.
imsaguy: smickles, that's a cat, not a kitten.
mircea_popescu: jesse jackson ? wow.
imsaguy: the junior
imsaguy: the senior is still spouting his bullshit.
imsaguy: stupid split
mircea_popescu: His wife spent $5,150 on fur capes and parkas, the document said.
mircea_popescu: where the fuck did she find a 5k fur cape
mircea_popescu: sounds like nutria
mircea_popescu: o hey, check it out : the c++ experience guy also relays. http://blockchain.info/ip-address/81.64.54.103
imsaguy: probably a tor exit node or something
ozbot: Doctor's mistress takes the stand in murder case
mircea_popescu: girl's name is gypsy milles
dub: mircea_popescu: so were intersango handling your backups?
mircea_popescu: no, i just had the dubious idea of having the proxies make something sort of like a blockchain
mircea_popescu: and i can't add to it.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 ty
dub: I thought I'd worked with some incompetent motherfuckers before
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00569499 = 0.1139 BTC [-]
dub: that wasnt reference to mpex btw
dub: raging at my new work environment
mircea_popescu: at least they dion't allocate 5mb of random data for you with the task to read through it and find "anything suspicious"
orkaa: mircea_popescu, something for you
ozbot: Eminem Welcome to Timisoara City (Romania) - YouTube
dub: wow
dub: Romania's got talent
mircea_popescu: ahahaha her romanian accent is so thick
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's definitely in timisoara.
ozbot: Eminem Still Dre & Em (Funny) - YouTube
dub: holy shit
dub: locate that and insert cock to prevent further noise eminance
mircea_popescu: emittance or eminence you mean ?
mircea_popescu: maybe you mean eminem-ce
mircea_popescu: but anyway, she's cute and sorta-moves, but no tits, no ass, wtf are we doing here, fucking little boys nao ?
pankkake: she likes to dress up
kakobrekla: why be so judgemental on the tits on ass or the lack of there of
kakobrekla: noone give a fuck if your penis is 'small' unless is anatomically too smal
kakobrekla: which if fuckin rare.
mircea_popescu: who said things are fair ?
mircea_popescu: i disctiminante by tits and ass!
dub: she's got gap
dub: but agree on the tit/ass deficiency
dub: ;;ud gap
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gap | The space between the thighs on a female body, just below the crotch. A gap is indicative of a slim figure and is very sexy.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: gap
dub: wd ud
kakobrekla: i guess ill stay with little boys then!
dub: moar ass for the rest of us
pankkake: gape > gap
kakobrekla: ;;ud gape
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gape | The stretched out asshole after being fucked in the ass. A result of dukeing it.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: gape
kakobrekla: a that.
dub: pankkake's requirements include ease of spacedocking
dub: ;;ud spacedocking
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=space%20docking | Brian squatted over her, lined it up, and began space docking. ... Like a space ship attempting to dock to a space station, "space docking" involves very accurate  ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: space docking
jcpham: i love to spacedock
pankkake: I'm learning things today
pankkake: wow, ew
kakobrekla: so that things was done.
mircea_popescu: a gap is only sexy on a woman with a nice big ass
mircea_popescu: because it shows she's not fat, just sexy.
mircea_popescu: on some skinny plank it's unsexy
kakobrekla: looking for that motherly venera features eh
kakobrekla: venus, its called.
kakobrekla: or something in between
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 298 @ 0.0026 = 0.7748 BTC [-] {2}
pigeons: so not only does zhoutong now run a successful excchange in australia now, but nefario works for something called "coinfloor" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115669.msg3435103#msg3435103
jurov: sooo...to place mpex order, you have to get through mutually distrustful network of proxies
jurov: oh, and to rectify power problems, i'd recommend optical power couplers instead of transformers.
kakobrekla: change the tie to red and you got a hitman
jurov: Apparently the coins in coinfloor will be handled in full accord to FDA regulations.
jurov: Proper hygiene ftw!
kakobrekla: which are none
pigeons: hmm then why did i still get sick?
kakobrekla: a he said fda, my bad.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't eat coins off the floor
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00578899 = 0.2663 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jurov they didn;'t use to be distrustful, and im not even sure it's such a good solution. learning process.
jurov: Yes. Reusing coins fallen on floor will be strictly prohibited.
mircea_popescu: pigeons everything's successful these days, except shit that actually exists
mircea_popescu: that doesn't work.
jurov: mircea_popescu: maybe you end up using colored coins internally :D
mircea_popescu: at this rate i'll just end up hung in a rats nest of cables and lines of code.
pigeons: this is zhoutong's http://coinjar.io/
pigeons: beware the chinese relic unter
mircea_popescu: "Technically and commercially adept, he’s founded several successful startups and remains a prominent figure in the Bitcoin community."
mircea_popescu: dude srsly ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0026151 = 0.7845 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Asher has a background in economics, formerly providing analysis to leading business magazines"
pigeons: in bitcoin you don't even have to hide, you can be the "special sauce" and people will eat it
pigeons: I like how Ahser brings the lunch
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 215.21000, Best ask: 215.21100, Bid-ask spread: 0.00100, Last trade: 215.21100, 24 hour volume: 8736.19751032, 24 hour low: 204.20001, 24 hour high: 216.00000, 24 hour vwap: 211.04564
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.66999999 = 4.02 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.678 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what cracked has done for the internet
nubbins`: factoid-based knowledge
nubbins`: in one of the t-shirt group buys i did, some asshole grabbed a transaction id that someone else had already posted and PMed me with it, asking for a shirt
nubbins`: i just remembered that
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Honestly looks more like Buzzfeed's titling style than Cracked's. Cracked had been sliding downward for a while, but Buzzfeed emerging has accelerated the race to the bottom.
mircea_popescu: aite, i'm not quite that knowledgeable on teenager brain rot
ozbot: xkcd: Anti-Glass
mircea_popescu: there gfoes the next nsa product god fucking damn it all to heck!
jurov: gentlemen and ladies, coinbr will become active tomorrow morning.
nubbins`: fanfare; applause
jurov: i'm tired and decided not to do stuff at such ungodly hour as 5am
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I made the mistake of handing my email addy to younger sibblings and older relatives. This is why the only way to get an email address off of the blog has to come from importing the GPG key.
mircea_popescu: gpg keys mostly contain addies
jborkl: You still on vacation mp
jborkl: :)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah. I figure this way anyone who wants to email me has to do the work to get the email address from the public key block. It keeps the lowest common demoninators out of my inbox even if it lets the bots harvest my addie.
Apocalyptic: jurov, 5 am in Bratislava ?
mircea_popescu: jborkl yeah, testing the bitche's gap
jborkl: Nice vacation, I need one of those
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i am looking forward to the day where email works like mpex
mircea_popescu: doesn't know your signature, you don't email.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: your spam will be encrypted, forcing you to decrypt each message before discarding it
nubbins`: sounds like a win-win
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: But what if the email is encrypted by someone outside my WOT? Seems safe to discard it then before decrypting.
nubbins`: oooh, fair enough
jborkl: Nicebjob mitigating damage mp
jborkl: Nicebjob
jborkl: Fuck
nubbins`: bjobs
BingoBoingo: I think GPG notaries are where it is at this next decade. Local dude established in a few WOTs signs public keys of people who meet him in person to establish the connection between their public key and identity.
nubbins`: huh, gpg notaries
nubbins`: interesting
mircea_popescu: generally gpg enabled translation and transduction is where it's at.
mircea_popescu: musicians as a group will need a dude who can testify to their reputation among plumbers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3900 @ 0.00018 = 0.702 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so this'd be a dude with good wot exposure in musicwot and plumberwot
mircea_popescu: someone with a good courtwot could be trusted upon to recomend pscych experts. if he also has a good psychwot.
kakobrekla: that mail thing
kakobrekla: mailpile
kakobrekla: is supposed to have "tight binding between contacts management and PGP key ring"
nubbins`: "fork me on github"
BingoBoingo: I'm thinking not quite that far yet. I'm thinking a place to start is people with notary services offering to endorse key is person. After that introduction of key is person trust can be built.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.60437078 = 8.4612 BTC [-] {4}
jborkl: That is already WOT, if mp or kako give someone a good wot. I don't really worry
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6010101 = 2.404 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: hey, we could be wrong.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo would it make a substantial difference to you should you discover "i" am really a 24 year old busty blonde woman ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 79 @ 0.0026 = 0.2054 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it many application the physical identity = key equality is not particularly important
mircea_popescu: (those situations where trust is built on key actions, not on person actions0
dub: BingoBoingo: you realise this exists already
jborkl: Just a example kako. I of course don't trust anyone you give a good wot
jborkl: :)
dub: not in the notary service sense, but in keysigning parties
mircea_popescu: dub you trust thjat ?!
dub: trust is not binary
jborkl: Keysigning parties, who shows up to that party
nubbins`: nobody
dub: huge nerds
dub: they mostly happen and *NOG conferences etc
nubbins`: people who you would never have to trust
mircea_popescu: i like nubbins`
nubbins`: aw shucks, does this mean you'll come to my party?
mircea_popescu: i mean i like your version lol
dub: its kinda teh idea behind public key repositories neh?
jborkl: Reptillia has a key party soon
dub: you upload your key and a wot grows around people who have sighted others meatspace ID etc
mircea_popescu: dub im just a big bitcoin wot fanboi.
mircea_popescu: better than the pgp wot thing they have
mircea_popescu: (which is mostly ded anyway)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I agree in nearly all cases.
dub: im not seeing muc difference
dub: much*
dub: other than economic incentive to game it
dub: in nerdland its more 'hurr durr my key is signed by RMS, check my epeen'
BingoBoingo: dub: A problem with keysigning parties is that life doesn't happen at your convenience. Out side of the nerdier regions they are a rare bird to spot.
mircea_popescu: that makes all the difference.
mircea_popescu: things with no economic incentives included suck by that very fact.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Should people really still be using PGP as an acronym. I figure it is better to bury it with GPG references.
BingoBoingo: OpenPGP may be what the spec is called now, but GPG seems to be the only implementation that matters.
mircea_popescu: this is one of those discussions
dub: well there is a secondary economic'ish incentive, if netop at europa net signs a message to me asking me to null korea due to an outbreak of k-pop I might like some surety its him and not the NSA
nubbins`: i'm sure there are plenty of uses for WoTs outside of btc-space, but i can't think of any that would apply to me
mircea_popescu: dub if you obtain this surety from sks.keyservers you're k-pop god.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Maybe you want a WOT to decide who to answer the door for if someone knocks?
dub: im missing something in your point
nubbins`: i always answer the door; depending on who it is and the time of day, i may or may not carry a hammer in my other hand
dub: the keysigning party is where whats on the keserver gets validated
mircea_popescu: dub i agree indeed you might like such surety, i still believe you'd rather check with gribble than with the pgp wot
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I rarely answer.
KRS1: moar pr0ns
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: so you miss out on all those sweet opportunities to buy stolen jewelry or give some guy a glass of water because he's SO THIRSTY
dub: right, and true, but they are basically the same ting
mircea_popescu: well they are basically the same thing in the sense the romanian talent earlier and a singer are basically the same thing
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Yes.
nubbins`: that sounds nice
dub: they are both highly community centric
nubbins`: maybe i should demand a qr code be held up to the peephole
mircea_popescu: or tits.
dub: a bunch of propeller heads who have been communicating and meeting up in person since the dawn of the tubes, vs a goup of mostly people trying to scam money out of each other
mircea_popescu: it's always good to demand tits be held up to peeprhole
mircea_popescu: dub not quite.
mircea_popescu: google michael vario or w/e his name was
jborkl: Just don't look into the gloryhole
KRS1: noooo
BingoBoingo: Tits work. For the gloryhole you have to go to the garage door though.
nubbins`: michael vario
nubbins`: i'm not sure i understand this, he's just some guy who goes around signing people's keys?
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
mircea_popescu: got the propellerheads all aggitated, because they're too retarded to understand in practice the first thing about a wot, because their 30 year old wot never worked.
dub: mircea_popescu: so the lesson is, check who has countersigned? kinda like, check the wot user hasnt been shill rated
dub: pirate still had a pretty good rating last I checked
mircea_popescu: you couldn't have missed the point where the girl explained why this is fallacious.
mircea_popescu: the wot doesn't describe if a person is trustworthy, that's your job. the wot doesn't describe what a person is doing. the wot strictly describes whom a person's been doing shit with.
mircea_popescu: you go ask those you trust from that list as to the what and decide as to trust.
dub: how is this different to keservers
dexX7: what's the idea behind "signing a key from another user"? like "mp confirms that dub is indeed dub"?
mircea_popescu: exactly the way the timisoara rapper girl is differen from "a singer"
dub: one group are more or less accustomed to being fucked over isnt valid
mircea_popescu: o but it is, dub. that's what measures the value of the engineer : the burned voltmeters.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 it's vague what exactly it means. most people sign keys so gpg stops whining about it.
nubbins`: i really need to read more about all of this
asciilifeform: it's astounding that anybody thinks you can 'meaningfully establish identity' or somesuch through casual meatspace meetings with strangers.
dub: define casual
nubbins`: no condoms
asciilifeform: dub: people who you've never known before, and may not meet again, who come to you for the purpose of 'let's do keys.'
dub: well thats not always the case
asciilifeform: vs. an actual friend (or even business associate)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, I thought the carnal part was implied...
dub: in the community I referenced its generally people who have interacted at a professional level over time, they require registration before attending so you know who you are goign tobe signing for and can stipulate what references they need to bring
dub: which is often multiple forms of photo ID etc
BingoBoingo: dub: References necessarily implies tits...
KRS1: MOAR
dub: sure there are instances where its broken but you apply the same process as teh gribble wot
asciilifeform: the value of linking pubkeys to government-issued id is rather tenuous
dub: is the person I am trusting likely to assign trust blithely
dub: again, there is often a long term relationship the ID is just another layer
dub: of course its not universally done like this but neither is gribble wot
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mircea_popescu: by blithely you mean blindly ?
dub: Lacking or showing a lack of due concern; casual: spoke with blithe ignorance of the true situation
dub: asciilifeform: how about you sight my govt ID, my employer ID and witness me make a (verfiable) change to some internet route via a hardware 2fa secured platform
asciilifeform: dub: you're losing sight of the objective
asciilifeform: what does my certification that 'key K belongs to Mr. Such and Such' actually give people?
asciilifeform: even assuming that i could be entirely certain that the government papers are genuine
dub: a trust metric
dub: same as 'key M has traded with pirateat40 and imsaguy'
asciilifeform: dub: how? it doesn't shed any light on the question of whether you (or i, for that matter) are a Gestapo mole.
mircea_popescu: it's still a trust metric.
asciilifeform: but people overvalue it
mircea_popescu: well, it's a metic, properly speaking. being a metric one could build trust on it.
mircea_popescu: that'd be the problem of people not of calipers tho
dub: not arguing that, the arguemnt was, its not fundamentally different to gribbles wot
asciilifeform: all it certifies is that schmuck A and schmuck B convinced each other, using some paper, that their birth names are such-and-such.
mircea_popescu: dub but the argument was it's practically different not fundamentally different
mircea_popescu: if i gotta bring the romanian rapper chick exampl;e again...
dub: practually people can suck at using both systems
dub: practually?
dub: dafuq
dub: practically*
nubbins`: i'm actually a really big fan of portmanteaus
nubbins`: and that was a gem
nubbins`: also, our cat only drinks water from glasses and cups: http://imgur.com/JLxiZ3Y
nubbins`: hmm, so a uid is associated always with the master key, correct?
KRS1: is romanian rapper chick hawt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 163 @ 0.0621 = 10.1223 BTC [-] {2}
deadweasel: hmmmm..... I think this cult will go far in the states... they will eat it up and send him all their money.
ozbot: Discretion is the ability to know when to speak and when not to speak. : ZenHabits
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.58342 = 11.6684 BTC [-] {5}
dub: seems like a tough sell, americans don't tend to like to stop talking
deadweasel: but that's because they don't KNOW they can stop
deadweasel: trust me, i just got off the phone with my ex.
nubbins`: okay, tell me if this makes sense: i have a business and a pgp key associated therewith. the email address of the uid is that of the business. what i want to do is add three additional uids for the three directors of the business, and then have a subkey generated for each director as well.
nubbins`: does that seem reasonable
skinnkavaj: Does someone you know have: severe memory loss, large bags of useless crypto-currency, delusions about moons, rockets or mtgox-midas-ltc? Then they maybe be suffering from Litecoin Investor Syndrome and you should call 911 immediately, every second matters!
skinnkavaj: Lol'd
BingoBoingo: skinnkavaj: Does pumping LTC in hostile venues have you down? Does your audience seem listless? Try brewing some tea with potatoe leafs.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it does, yes.
nubbins`: ok, just needed a quick sanity check
nubbins`: and this will not be a nightmare for those who have already added the original key, yes?
mircea_popescu: well, the problems are : depending on implementation you might not be able to give diff directors diff keys, so you depend on their probity signing properly ;
mircea_popescu: people will need updated pubkeys including the whole list if they're to reply to the new keys
mircea_popescu: not be able to give diff directors diff keys << passphrases i mean, not keys.
nubbins`: ah, that would be less than useful
KRS1: subkey
nubbins`: "here, remember this 90+ character password"
mircea_popescu: alternatively, you can just make x independent keys, of which 1 is for the corp, and the others for directors, and perhaps sign a director certificate with thecorp key
nubbins`: oh, there you go
KRS1: did you guys see percover
KRS1: peer
KRS1: pretty clever
KRS1: PeerCover allows anyone to form his or her insurance group or join an existing group to insure anything from a Bitcoin wallet to Ripple debt. Draft your own terms you approve and sign. Evaluate and vote on new members. Vote on new claims. - See more at: https://bitcoinstarter.com/projects/85#sthash.JNat22IH.dpuf
nubbins`: "Using this you can ... sing your key. Although it is too logic to mention. For this you need your passphrase." -GPG mini how-to
dub: sing your key? sounds like Luke-Jr is involved
dexX7: does any of those bitstarter projects ever get funded?
nubbins`: KRS1: insurance is up there with banks as far as regulation goes
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: The GPG mini how to is worthless. Doesn't even cover picking individual keys to use.
nubbins`: yeah, it's kind of difficult to find reasonable documentation on all of this
mircea_popescu: KRS1 o that. yeah we lolled at usagi^2 last week
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo didn't you just publish a gpg how to thing ?
nubbins`: "You could go so far as to create profiles and upload credit history/health records to increase your chances of acceptance into a pool"
nubbins`: oh, my sides
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah. I also included links to the mini how to and the full manual. The mini how to explains the basics, but is probably too mini.
nubbins`: i'm just going to fill out a detailed medical questionnaire and send it to a bunch of anons in exchange for health "insurance"
BingoBoingo: I mean who is only going to have one GPG key to steward.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` chance at ~.
mircea_popescu: chance at insurance. not actual insurance.
nubbins`: not even a chance at actual insurance, in fact
mircea_popescu: "come suck my cock for a chance at marrying me" != "come suck my cock for this here ring"
dub: is this CPA 2.0
nubbins`: just a chance at the same random anons giving you a ton of cash years down the road
dub: which ring
dub: we talking cocksucking or rusty tromboning
mircea_popescu: dub you ask too many questions beautiful.
dub: ;;ud rusty trombone
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rusty%20trombone | To get rimmed whilst recieving a hearty reach round, thus resembling a trombone player in full chorus.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: rusty trombone
nubbins`: oh god, this is rich
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 68 @ 0.00569998 = 0.3876 BTC [+]
nubbins`: i bet there are people RIGHT NOW sharing their credit history and medical records
dub: of course there are
nubbins`: can't breathe
nubbins`: ahahahahah
mircea_popescu: not on that site.
dub: just like right now people are investing in whatever alberto is doing now
mircea_popescu: maybe his dad.
mircea_popescu: iirc his dad was rich
BingoBoingo: dub: Wasn't Alberto the Labcoin guy?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo possible but unproven. alberto was the original bitdaytrade frontman
dub: and plenty more
dub: BDT wasnt his first scam
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah, so maybe his sister went to Meni and cut him out of Labcoin?
mircea_popescu: it's a group.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 478 @ 0.00107101 = 0.5119 BTC [-] {3}
dexX7: national cat day?
dexX7: my contribution: http://www.cat-bounce.com/ ^-^"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00569 = 0.4211 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: shitty out of focus contribution, ozbot.
mircea_popescu: at least there's boxgap
dexX7: .bait
nubbins`: my re-contribution: http://imgur.com/JLxiZ3Y
dexX7: this reminds me of http://www.ding.net/bonsaikitten/index.html for some reason :D
ozbot: Proctologist Simulator 2013 is such a shitty game - Imgur
nubbins`: what does that remind you of?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i once toured a lab where they actually had these
asciilifeform: and yet messier surgical sims.
dexX7: lol
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.33997142 = 2.3798 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: okay, going to try easing back into a normal sleep/wake schedule. nite
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 394 @ 0.00247852 = 0.9765 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5606 @ 0.00215139 = 12.0607 BTC [-] {18}
Ademan: Will btct.co be automatically paying out account balances to withdrawal addresses or do I need to do that manually? (I ask because my dumb ass just accidentally locked my account...)
BingoBoingo: Ademan: No idea. Hope is a shitty thing to count on though isn't it?
Ademan: heh yeah, I avoided doing it before because there's a fee for withdrawal and I'm a bit indignant that I'm paying a fee to do something I'm forced to do :-/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.0054 = 0.1134 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Ademan: Well, maybe avoid failed people promoting failed models of doing thangs.
opc0d3: anyone here buy futures with ICBIT?
BingoBoingo: opc0d3: You mean the bucketshop. Coinbr is cheap now. No reason to fuck with ICBIT>
opc0d3: i bought futures at $150 on ICBIT.se and sold around $230. nearly doubled my coins.... its also run by Tycho. an admin on bitcointalk.org. i doubt its a scam. what coinbr?
mircea_popescu: come back with an actual account and everything
opc0d3: whats an actual account?
mircea_popescu: ;;ident opc0d3
gribble: Nick 'opc0d3', with hostmask 'opc0d3!d07cd3fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.124.211.250', is not identified.
opc0d3: oh.. yawn. too lazy
opc0d3: im not a shill for icbit, if thats what you're worried about
opc0d3: the options on mpex have no liquidity or volume, otherwise id trade them
mircea_popescu: you're nobody, the thing is.
opc0d3: last time i checked there was like 2 trades a day on options there
BingoBoingo: ;;ident BingoBoingo
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user BingoBoingo, with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
dub: Ademan: isnt the withdrawal fee just the standard bitcoin tx fee?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 315 @ 0.00109877 = 0.3461 BTC [-] {2}
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