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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 69557 @ 0.00004073 = 2.8331 BTC [-] {8}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 120 @ 0.0166 = 1.992 BTC [-]
assbot: Nasdaq will start using Bitcoin technology - May. 11, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RxOHKc )
mircea_popescu: cnn moving into the wordsalad humor racket. reddit turf.
TheNewDeal: And with all the same vocabulary. No need to relearn "blockchain technology" when we've heard it a few dozen times before!
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
assbot: U.N. rep accuses Saudis of violating international law - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDRwDW )
trinque: not so many laughs
trinque: and isn't the US a part of this "coalition" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88700 @ 0.00025867 = 22.944 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: saudi arabia actually can fly all those planes it was collecting ?!
mircea_popescu: i thought they're just pulling a great gatsby / jerry seifeld, and just storing them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68903 @ 0.00025 = 17.2258 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: "The indiscriminate bombing of populated areas, with or without prior warning, is as American as it gets," Van Der Klaauw said in a statement. Ftfy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28947 @ 0.00023978 = 6.9409 BTC [-]
trinque: TheNewDeal: yeah, sounds like us, right?
TheNewDeal: Just hope plays from the usian book dont become the norm
mircea_popescu: famously, the returning, defeated nazis said the same thing.
mircea_popescu: "just pray, madam, that the russians don't do to you and your daughters anything like"
trinque: seems inevitable that it will, just a question of whose flying robots they are
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jurov: !up hktud0
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63550 @ 0.00025518 = 16.2167 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/12/us-usa-saudi-summit-idUSKBN0NW1EV20150512 << when Saudi Kings bomb Yemeni civilians, American diplomats "scramble" to assure them.
assbot: U.S. rejects notion that Gulf rulers snubbing Obama summit| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1JE4VvG )
trinque: "The conspiracy theorists of old have been proven right. The U.S. creates threats for us and then offers us more weapons systems. That does not bode well for us," said Sami Alfaraj, a Kuwaiti security adviser to the six-nation GCC.
trinque: gulf states are officially wise to our shit.
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Adlai: Quisquid satoshī dictum est, altus sonatur
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assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 03:19:21; mircea_popescu: i'd rather see uclibc in the "official" b-a linux
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60900 @ 0.00025904 = 15.7755 BTC [-]
mod6: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00023904 / 0.00025266 / 0.00026807 (4666118 shares, 1,178.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00019511 / 0.00023331 / 0.00026807 (38805806 shares, 9,054.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00019511 / 0.00026936 / 0.00033918 (91708839 shares, 24,702.89 BTC)
jurov: !up kalki
assbot: ClubOrlov: America's Achilles' Heel ... ( http://bit.ly/1PgksZA )
asciilifeform: 'And that's where things get interesting. Because, you see, if you shoot at, imprison, and otherwise abuse a defenseless civilian population long enough, what you get in response is an armed insurgency. The place insurgencies are easiest to organize is in prison...'
decimation: asciilifeform: things are already heading that way. there's a 'Schelling point' that enlarges every year around the "USG sucks" idea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90900 @ 0.00026613 = 24.1912 BTC [+] {3}
lobbes: 'The Russian plan, along with China, India, and much of the rest of the world, is to prepare for war with the US, but to do everything possible to avoid it. Time is on their side, because with each passing day they become stronger while America grows weaker.'
lobbes: Why India though? Aren't they essentially an arm of usg?
williamdunne: They could probably break off quite easily with the assistance of Russia and China.
williamdunne: US is only 12% of Indias exports
williamdunne: 4~% of imports
jurov: he made the sign of the cross, in the Russian Orthodox manner. This simple gesture transformed the parade from a display of military pomp to a sacred ritual.
jurov: otherwise, pot-caling-kettle-blackism exercise
lobbes: idk re: prison insurgencies. He compares the 'black youth' imprisoned today with former workers for Sadam. Former being terribly unorganized to start with vs. the latter (arguably) being the obverse
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2921412/ssds-have-a-problem-theyre-getting-too-fast-too-soon.html < the x86 world's inability to 'fabric' well is becoming embarrassing now that SSD's are increasing in performance
assbot: SSDs have a problem: They're getting too fast, too soon | PCWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1cNQY4l )
jurov: they mention gamers. and that would only be a problem for games with terabytes of installed data that need constant shuffling to/from the ssd
jurov: are there any? and if, how are they distributed in the us? certainly not on blurays or by the net
jurov: maybe minecraft with trillions of voxels
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Adlai: "prison is bootcamp for career criminals"
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jurov: !up punkman
Adlai: it's a proverbial variation on "'mandatory' is bootcamp for reserves"
Adlai: although the funny thing is, my reserve duty just keeps getting cancelled due to lack of necessity for my amazing talents
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
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lobbes: Adlai, career criminals, sure. But I'm skeptical that a bunch of career criminals would suddenly align against a common foe, rather than continue the 'business as usual' of fighting each other
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97400 @ 0.00025554 = 24.8896 BTC [-] {3}
lobbes: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128914 << mega-l0l, truly. did they invent a new 'blockchain' where they get to backpedal on 'undesirable' ('wrong button', 'insider', misc. bullshit) trades ?
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 05:27:44; assbot: Nasdaq will start using Bitcoin technology - May. 11, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RxOHKc )
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 03:19:21; mircea_popescu: i'd rather see uclibc in the "official" b-a linux
ascii_field: and it is quite embarrassing how long it has gotten away with slipping a cockroach into every single bowl of soup we eat.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172350 @ 0.00026671 = 45.9675 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93400 @ 0.00026879 = 25.105 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128895 << aha. glibc is dead to me. << gentoo's hardened/linux/uclibc/amd64 ?
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 03:19:21; mircea_popescu: i'd rather see uclibc in the "official" b-a linux
assbot: gentoo/libressl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ey4X4I )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76350 @ 0.00025146 = 19.199 BTC [-]
funkenstein_: sometimes keeping up with trilema feels like trying to sync the blockchain with a dialup modem
mod6: trinque: <+mod6> bah. so now that i know a bit about uclibc, perhaps I need to go through this again with this "[19] hardened/linux/uclibc/amd64" instead of "[14] hardened/linux/amd64/no-multilib << yeah
mod6: im gonna work on running through my doc & setting that up instead tonight.
trinque: sweet
jurov: mike_c yo, is it possible to have direct links like http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/somewhere/$fingerprint ?
jurov: !up mike_c
mike_c: yes
mike_c: i'll add something
jurov: neat. i am finally beating the mailman into submission, turdatron can link there
mod6: cool
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asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: for those who did not watch the 'elbrus' youtube (did anyone ?) - if the screenshots are genuine , we now know that one core of 'elbrus' has approximately same benchmark performance as 'pogo.'
assbot: Introducing the Bitcoin ISP on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbTf3B )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00025499 = 4.7556 BTC [+]
lobbes: 'Before I consider joining your Web of Trust' lmao
mircea_popescu: it's funny, what a few decades of "everyone else is your supporting cast" has done to joe blow.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it's almost like they've forgotten what "right of admission reserved" actually means because of this ongoing "the customer is ALWAYS right" nonsense
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it's not even that, lol. i'm not making a judgement based on how the twerp presents itself. this is more like, "you're not famous, go away", but for a much better definition of famous. "people i care about heard of you."
mircea_popescu: "but i have a shirt and shoes!" "so does my goat."
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100311 @ 0.00025293 = 25.3717 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: The Frogs - I'm Sad, My Goat Just Died Today - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4KdIR )
mircea_popescu: i bet nobody gets them booze, either.
trinque: an (obvious) idea... someone could resell BISP boxes as virtual machine hosts
trinque: qntra article made mention that it'll want to cater to larger customers, so perhaps that fills the gap for those needing smaller instances
mircea_popescu: sure. moreover,
assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 19:42:12; mircea_popescu: which incidentally - if anyone wants to sysadmin an aws-style offering on top of bisp metal, please get in touch. i'm open to the idea, we'd have to discuss how it would work.
trinque: nice
jurov: TomServo: ^^
mircea_popescu: http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/952/866/367365/ << this thing that got linked on the recent bisp announcement is pretty interesting on its own.
assbot: United States of America, Plaintiff-appellee Cross-appellant, v. Marsden W. Miller, Jr., and William C. Huls,defendants-appellants Cross-appellees, 952 F.2d 866 (5th Cir. 1992) :: Justia ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNfNvQ )
mircea_popescu: "In a line of precedent almost a century old, the Supreme Court has repeatedly stressed that the Double Jeopardy Clause does not preclude the government from retrying a defendant whose conviction is set aside because of an error in the proceedings leading to conviction."
mircea_popescu: basically this translates to "the constitution is there to protect the government from having to do things it doesn't want to do, not to protect the citizens from things the government wants to do but shouldn't"
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: "the constitution is there to protect the government from having to do things... << this doctrine is almost as old as the parchment itself
mircea_popescu: apparently.
mircea_popescu: "While different theories have been advanced to support the permissibility of retrial, of greater importance than the conceptual abstractions employed to explain the Ball principle are the implications of that principle for the sound administration of justice. Corresponding to the right of an accused to be given a fair trial is the societal interest in punishing one whose guilt is clear after he has obtained such a tri
mircea_popescu: al. It would be a high price indeed for society to pay were every accused granted immunity from punishment because of any defect sufficient to constitute reversible error in the proceedings leading to conviction. From the standpoint of a defendant, it is at least doubtful that appellate courts would be as zealous as they now are in protecting against the effects of improprieties at the trial or pretrial stage if they k
mircea_popescu: new that reversal of a conviction would put the accused irrevocably beyond the reach of further prosecution."
mircea_popescu: imagine the perversity of this.
mircea_popescu: "if we don't steal your rights right at the top, it is unlikely our agents at lower levels would not steal them anyway"
mircea_popescu: dude... fuck you ?
mircea_popescu: you get one shot, like everyone else. if you miss, you've missed.
mircea_popescu: this entire "government's speshul" doctrine...
ascii_field: saying 'i want a government only -so- big' is a bit like asking for 'a tumour only -so- big'
mircea_popescu: "guilt is clear" === "we are butthurt"
ascii_field: and this is the national disease of u.s. folks.
mircea_popescu: perhaps, yes.
mircea_popescu: so government can fuck up the conviction, gets a second shot because hey, govt's speshul. you go fuck up your tax returns, see how that goes over.
ascii_field: they get as many shots as it takes.
mircea_popescu: "but your honor, it would be a price too high for society to pay were the government granted the right to act because of any defect sufficient to invalidate submitted tax reports"
ascii_field: also note what the crime in this case was.
ascii_field: (attempting to be something other than slavishly transparent to usg tendrils)
thestringpuller: bitmex d00d says, and i quote, "it is trivial to mitm mpex.co cause it uses http"
mircea_popescu: apparently, corrupt govt official with private intersts made pro-forma arrangements to rid himself of these so as to use govt tools to further them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0002653 = 2.2418 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller but who's asking him ?
thestringpuller: reddit users i suppose so it is irrelevant. the level of ignorance is just astonishing tho
ascii_field: thestringpuller: remember, tungsten melts in your mouth.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well, see, the opinions of people who do not own 30 btc to their name as to the comings and goings of places where this is a minimum requisite bar do not constitute proper ignorance. it's like saying country bumpkins in montana have no idea how broadstreet works. they obviously don't, but this because the goat does not know calendars.
mircea_popescu: what business of it is theirs ? "oh, you're so ignorant, you don't even know astronomy". well... he's a farm hand, let him farm.
mircea_popescu: !up Crypton
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic what's crypton ?
mod6: nmon charts from the entire v0.5.3.1+OrphanageThermonuke sync/test: http://thebitcoin.foundation/OrphanageThermonukeCharts/
assbot: Index of /OrphanageThermonukeCharts ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNimOf )
mod6: Hmm, the swap and & disk are blank for some reason. im sure I just didn't do something correct with those.
mircea_popescu: and that % style is pretty bad
ascii_field: and why not just for bitcoind process ?
ascii_field: why whole box ?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, it's a bot that logs a couple of channels for me
mircea_popescu: mod6 omfg wtf <4gb ?! WUT ?!
mod6: *shrug* lol
mircea_popescu: it is THAT good this thing ?!
mod6: i just kicked it on and let it run. i've never used it before.
mod6: so this is just my first shot at it, really.
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 00:38:06; asciilifeform: mod6: the obvious steps are 1) determine if still leaks (tentatively, i will say that it does not) and 2) determine wtf is eating the ram
mod6: i'll maybe try another tool next time.
mircea_popescu: mod6 listen, what happened in the 6-12 may interval ? full blockchain sync ? something else ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field 4gb is pretty impressive tbh.
mod6: which chart are you looking at mircea_popescu?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ~200M
ascii_field: is the actual process steady-state
ascii_field: on my box.
mod6: the box was doing nothing else while this thing was running.
mircea_popescu: mod6 doesn't matter which chart per se, just trying to put this in context. what was bitcoind doing in the interval ?
ascii_field: so far, i'm 90% certain that this is mainly due to fragging.
mod6: OH
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i don't recall ever running a node under 8gb, and for that matter that was more like 2012. i think everything now's 32.
mod6: yeah, full blockchain sync
mod6: sorry.
mircea_popescu: 6 days ?
mircea_popescu: also pretty good.
mod6: yeah about that.
mod6: started on 20150505
mod6: ended yesterday, the 11th.
mod6: yeah, some of these charts don't make sense to me.
mod6: maybe that just means there was only a few page faults.
mod6: most of the time, looks like 0? except for the beginning.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah kinda what i was trying to evaluate, if the "0, usually" is valid.
trinque: lol is it a signed int that wrapped?
mod6: no idea. i can post the raw data if someone wants to pour through it.
mod6: 112Mb lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, i must say the profiling seen here crowns an expectation that has been slowly building from what was shown prior, ie that the snipped bitcoin 5 we're using is actually a major improvement over the old bitcoin 5, and thus very, very far ahead of bitcoin 10/11/etc.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu did read the patch iirc
mircea_popescu: ascii_field industrial engineering is a three century old history of "minimal improvements have astounding effects"
ascii_field: doesn't change much
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha, 'the right screw' (tm)
mircea_popescu: exactly.
ascii_field specializes in approximately this kind of circus trick
mod6: anyway, I was considering running another full-sync without the OrphanageThermonuke patch -- just a v0.5.3.1-RELEASE baseline.
mircea_popescu: dabbled in same, back in the day.
mod6: then maybe we have something to compare too... and maybe even a v0.5.3 original baseline as well.
ascii_field: mod6: by all means, the more - the merrier
ascii_field: ben_vulpes iirc had a few graphs
mircea_popescu: mod6 not a bad idea. but make sure you package these with the required context and publish them.
mod6: gotcha.
ascii_field: mod6: best to let these run in parallel
mod6: anyway, sorry if the charts were less then stellar, but at least /something/ to look at.
mircea_popescu: as it is, this reporting, it is a 90% of an excellent job. make the extra 10%. make it whole, it'll be great.
ascii_field: (they still won't deterministically sync from same places, but still)
mod6: ascii_field: parallel?!
mircea_popescu: mod6 maybe even think about writing a qntra piece, or ben_vulpes
ascii_field: mod6: on two identical boxes
ascii_field: simultaneously
mod6: hrm. well...
mod6: too expensive.
mod6: the one alone costs me $89/mo. and now i've got 2 others for gentoo, and another one is gonna get pricy for this month.
ascii_field: do it at home ?
mod6: so, i probably just run them consecutively unless it /really/ matters.
mod6: i don't have the kinda hardware for this sort of ting.
mod6: *thing
mircea_popescu: i don't see it makes that big of a difference.
ascii_field: probably doesn't
mod6: if you're looking at timing metrics, I can just use 'time' or just rely on the time started in PS and subtract that from the end time.
mod6: s/PS/`ps`/
mircea_popescu: dun worry bout it mod6
mircea_popescu: just, you two, package this in a detailed, explicit, clear, verbose article.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: so i've been listening to aerosmith all morning. shocking how great bad music was, 40 or so years ago.
mircea_popescu: entertainment's in this weird situation where the olympic record holders of today couldn't meet the quals for regional competitions in the 70s.
lobbes: also, music that made it to the 'top of the charts' back then was actually music
lobbes: btw, 4gb full sync!?
lobbes: My old turdcoin is about 47 gb atm
mircea_popescu: memory not disk.
lobbes: ah duh
lobbes: almost crapped myself
mod6: # du -sh /mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin
mod6: 44G /mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin
mod6: yeah, this is the size of the full bc sync (v0.5.3.1+OrphanageThermonuke)
lobbes: hmm so about 3 gb culled?
ascii_field: lobbes: what are you comparing to ?
ascii_field: recall, we aren't using the leveldb thing
lobbes: 8.1.0 O.o
lobbes: 0.8.1.0
lobbes: ah okay
mircea_popescu: more indexes prolly.
mod6: the debug.log itself is 977Mb
mod6: so the size of that entire directory is not exactly an accurate picture
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48850 @ 0.00027215 = 13.2945 BTC [+]
mod6: 17 2.0Gb blk*.dat files = 34Gb + 9.5Gb blkindex.dat == 43.5Gb
mircea_popescu: +an 18th ~200mb
trinque: mircea_popescu: I tend to think this was the last time rock happened -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRQjFB3MV4s
assbot: Bone Broke - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNkAx2 )
mod6: anyway, mircea_popescu I'll talk to ben_vulpes about helping me write something up for these charts.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> +an 18th ~200mb << 247M blk0018.dat
mod6: yes :)
mircea_popescu: trinque im not even sure how rock aerosmith is, or what it all means.
mod6: anyway, thanks for taking a look!
trinque: that 300mph torrential outpour blues is good too
lobbes: I've got a love for 'fast blues'; srv and the like
lobbes: still enough soul to not be made by a machine, but fast enough to say 'damn'
assbot: Aerosmith - Amazing - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNllGv )
ascii_field: speaking of which, i just bought a 486-133.
ascii_field: (was searching for years for a 100% silent example of such, finally found)
assbot: Michel's MIDI box ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNlt94 )
ascii_field: l0l, i had one
ascii_field: or almost same
ascii_field: good old vlb
mircea_popescu: speaking of someliers, they have a forum, you know ? http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=33438
assbot: VOGONS • View topic - MY ROCKING AMD 486 - ??? MHZ SYSTEM VLB ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNmxd2 )
jurov never had vlb. tried to overclock isa instead, burned disk controller and wiped data
ascii_field had isa, eisa, vlb, and even - last - mca boxes.
trinque: my first computer was a piece of shit 486 with a turbo button
ascii_field: (mca was this weird ibm thing, physically shaped like pci slot but electrically 100% martian)
mircea_popescu: i had a 286! and (after that!) a weird pc-xt that had asm debugger built into bios. and so on
ascii_field: when had that box, had a 'chipchat' sound card, afaik the only one made for mca
ascii_field: ^ mega-l0l! they're still on www!
mircea_popescu: was that a sound blaster repackaged ?
ascii_field: it was entirely own animal
ascii_field: on account of the vastly different bus
ascii_field: but - somehow - mostly compatible from dos
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: the weird daughterboard was a midi synth
ascii_field: i later pulled it off and plugged into an ordinary sb-16
ascii_field: where it happily worked for years.
danielpbarron: the smashing guitar thing is very rock and roll. here's the original i think -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xZOrWK6d4g
assbot: My Generation - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNnBxA )
mircea_popescu: so it WAS a sb repackaging then ? the chipchat ?
ascii_field: again, not repackaging. very different chip (to sit on ibm's bizarre mca bus) but emulated sb.
ascii_field: (at the time the fastest box i had, had mca bus only)
mircea_popescu: weird, the sort of shit they could do back then.
mircea_popescu: back to the lulzlaw department for a moment, " Nonetheless, the government concedes that it failed to file a timely certificate with the district court "that the appeal was not taken for purpose of delay and that the evidence is a substantial proof of a fact material in the proceeding," although § 3731 required it to do so. The government has now filed such a certificate, and correctly notes that the late filing, alth
mircea_popescu: ough not regarded with favor, does not rise to jurisdictional dimensions."
mircea_popescu: o, so the government filed late ? it's ok, we'll invent some legally meaningless words it can be bad in, but otherwise it's fine.
mircea_popescu: you try filing late.
mircea_popescu: fuckheads delayed filing the certificate that they're not appealing to delay.
mircea_popescu: "The certificate was filed seven months after the entry of the district court's order and six months after the filing of the government's notice of appeal. It was filed only after the defendants raised the issue of its absence in their briefs to this Court."
mircea_popescu: and so therefore, " If the requirement of the timely filing of a certificate is to have substantial meaning, the government's appeal here should be dismissed. Indeed, the purpose of the certificate requirement is to ensure the government has verified the propriety of its appeal, and so certified to the district court, at the time it files its notice of appeal. That purpose is defeated by the perfunctory filing of the c
mircea_popescu: ertificate after the appeal has been docketed and briefed and within days of its argument in this Court."
mircea_popescu: but is there a disbarment of the government counsel as a result of attempted fraud in open court ?
jurov: "but that does not rise to jurisdictional dimensions"
mircea_popescu: where is the one year in the can for contempt + civil liability for the prosecuting team + their eighteen indictment trial for all sorts of fraud, abuse of legal process etc.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: rule of law is a statal fiction, news-at-eleven.
mircea_popescu: check it out, the government is required to file a certificate. and if they don't... fuckall. and if it's fraudulent ? all the better.
mircea_popescu: and moreover, the government can contempt the court all it wants, that's what it's there for after all.
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
mircea_popescu: !rated theymos
assbot: You rated user theymos on 15-Nov-2014, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: defrauded the tardstalk community by throwing ~half a million dollars worth of BTC at some obscure service provider for kickbacks. a lenghty history of fraudulent behaviour, http://trilema.com/2012/scammer-tag-nefario-theymos-others-known-and-unknown/.
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cazalla: who's the statue of in that shitty photoshop anyway
mircea_popescu: looks like a tail
hanbot: mircea_popescu> <mod6> once I have these guys << hanbot how about you help with that effort ? << hey mod6, could you make a version of this that isn't aws-specific? or wouldja be willing to help me make one?
mircea_popescu: hm yeah, aws is useful to have but it really shouldnt be a dependency.
jurov: just replace the aws image creation part with normal gentoo handbook
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 12:50:01; davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128895 <<< you mean CultOS(tm)
mircea_popescu: Adlai why do you think final i in satoshi is long ?
mircea_popescu: it's not satoshii is it ?
davout: mircea_popescu: it's CultOS duh
davout: not CultOs
mircea_popescu: heathen.
mircea_popescu: heretic.
davout: next we'll have our CultPhones and CultPads yo
davout: get in line for your CultWatches
BingoBoingo: Just have to get cultOS compiled on SPARC
mircea_popescu: cultundies, for those girls that still wear the things.
mircea_popescu: that orlov link...
jurov: cultchat
mircea_popescu: "Western media focused on the fact that western leaders declined to attend the celebration, either in a fit of pique or because so ordered by the Obama administration, but this only highlights their combined irrelevance, be it in defeating Hitler, or in commemorating his defeat 70 years later."
mircea_popescu: bwhaha. who penned this i wish to know ? the man himself is incapable of such quality.
mircea_popescu: Submissions: 47728 Known Moduli: 31262 Moduli Waiting for Test: 4584 Running Product (Π(∀n)): 43224973 digits
mircea_popescu: so ascii_field from the above, am i correct in deducing that there have been at most 47728 - 31262-4584 = 11882 (out of 47728, or ~1/4) keys without any RSA subkeys in them ?
mircea_popescu: there are also 68 keys with duplicate moduli, but i imagine that wouldn't impact very much the overall numbers ?
cazalla: given all this interracial stuff.. in other news http://i.imgur.com/Sw9HtSO.png
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that
cazalla: i dunno, just some random imgur
mircea_popescu: "here i sit in a prefab vinyl siding plebhousing unit, burning a 50 dollar bill" ?
davout: cazalla: irlkek
jurov: O.o
mircea_popescu: here, i see your gavin andresen impersonator and raise you, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m421aoiZzX1qjm83bo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: a barbie doll by a rack of boy toys.
jurov: and interracial hints, too
assbot: Princeton Alumni Weekly: Buying into Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNwiIg )
mircea_popescu: apparently the SEW way to do urls is .xml
jurov: 'x' in xml means eXecutable yaknow
mircea_popescu: yea. eXecutable Mega Lolz
trinque: someone probably had an autism fit about how xhtml is some particular schema represented in XML, you see
mircea_popescu: i imagine.
mircea_popescu: "Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, [blablabla] made the sign of the cross, in the Russian Orthodox manner. This simple gesture transformed the parade from a display of military pomp to a sacred ritual."
mircea_popescu: dude seriously, that's how russian orthodoxy-lite works ?
mircea_popescu: at this rate they could probably use it as an anti-islam equivalent.
hanbot: jurov> just replace the aws image creation part with normal gentoo handbook << wasn't the point at least in part to crop that thing tho'?
jurov: hanbot i don't know what mod6 exactly meant
hanbot: well i guess we'll find out!
trinque: only difference should be where you plonk the resulting root fs
mircea_popescu: "If you think about it just a tiny bit, nothing on this scale could be contrived artificially, and the thought that millions of people would prostitute their dead for propaganda purposes is, frankly, both cynical and insulting."
mircea_popescu: bwahgaha. these EXACT PEOPLE prostituted their dead, and their living, wives, children, the lot. by the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS. not even fifty years ago.
mircea_popescu: gimme a break.
mircea_popescu: not that it's not genuine sentiment, i'm sure to some degree it is. the topless sluts were ALSO genuine sentiment, for sure just as genuine, definitely as widely held. the result ? 400 people, beat up by police, not 4mn pushed by the govt press agents.
mircea_popescu: so... yeah, which way the state goes is part and parcel of it.
lobbes: definitely as widely held << lol
mircea_popescu: lobbes i was talking about femen specifically. you think not ?
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lobbes: mircea_popescu was appreciating the wordplay ;/ But I would agree nonetheless
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lobbes: I only just started reading Orlov's blog not too long ago. On alf's recommendation, I skipped to some of his earlier stuff (from roughly 2011?). I do get the feeling that he can either be 'hit or miss' at times.
lobbes probably needs to read more anyway
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mircea_popescu: we have this ongoing debate re orlov i guess.
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cazalla: guy not far from me selling a bitcoin atm.. wants 5k for it.. tell him he's dreamin' http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/highett/other-electronics-computers/lamassu-bitcoin-atm-machine-new/1078507188
assbot: Lamassu Bitcoin ATM Machine - New | Other Electronics & Computers | Gumtree Australia Bayside Area - Highett | 1078507188 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JaZHJM )
mircea_popescu: heh. he paid 4k and wants to make a profit, CLEARLY he should get 5k.
pete_dushenski: cazalla lamassus are worth a grand.
pete_dushenski: at most.
mircea_popescu: offer him 5% in the btctc shambles ?
mircea_popescu: worth 100k!
pete_dushenski: typical homeowner thinking really.
pete_dushenski: whether in buenos aires or edmonotn
pete_dushenski: edmonton*
cazalla: mircea_popescu, he paid more.. 9k USD plus taxes
pete_dushenski: "i want to make x and i won't sell for less"
pete_dushenski: hey, if they want to wait and the carrying costs aren't crushing them, let 'em dream.
mircea_popescu: starvation is the adequate solution to this problem.
cazalla: even if it was cheap (could stick it in my uncle's shop), prob attract legal issues anyway
pete_dushenski: a hungry seller is a motivated seller.
trinque: !up livegnik
gribble: Error: "tlsb" is not a valid command.
gribble: Time since last block: 22 minutes and 40 seconds
pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 356143 | Current Difficulty: 4.7643398017803444E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 356831 | Next Difficulty In: 688 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 9 hours, 10 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47854762116.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.44364
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126436 << I'm terribly sorry about that, I confused you with williamdunne
assbot: Logged on 09-05-2015 15:49:16; funkenstein_: gabriel_laddel, I said no such thing. This is a public log.
ben_vulpes: <funkenstein_> sometimes keeping up with trilema feels like trying to sync the blockchain with a dialup modem << lol how do you handle the log?
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-05-2015#1126254 << To give my definitive word on the matter I'd have to review his works in their entirety and learn ionic Greek + Greek philosophy. For now, I read the first ~150 pages of Hippocrates, Acient Medicine, Vol. 1 - English translation by W.H.S. Jones. It did not strike me as "new age-y". The author(s) of this particular work was clearly attempting, to the best of
assbot: Logged on 09-05-2015 06:39:04; mircea_popescu: curious if it'd also seem new age-y.
gabriel_laddel: his(their) ability, to develop the practice of medicine in accordance with reality. Being subject to the prejudice and technical limitations of the times is inescapable (the notion of "humors" may have made more sense without knowing of chemical reactions). The notes on the constitution of a patient's stool, fasting and diet are probably still valid. In the 'General Introduction' Jones notes that philosophy had aban
gabriel_laddel: doned medicine and that medicine would have been better off to abandon philosophy. He also notes that "On Wounds in the Head" contains remarkably practical techniques that would have been extremely advanced had they discovered antiseptics. I don't know enough about the development of medicine to (dis)agree with this assessment, but will note that Semmelweis didn't discover antiseptics until ~1850 (and the medical co
gabriel_laddel: mmunity then ignored his discovery). Contrast with "New Age medicine", which afaik, an ill-defined set of practices quite distanced from the leading edge of technology. If they were any good at what they were doing they'd have their own funtoo fork, pdf extractor, WoT and we'd be using it.
williamdunne: gabriel_laddel: What did I say?
gabriel_laddel: williamdunne: that the jews were overrepresented in banking
williamdunne: Ah, thats a few days back
williamdunne: IIRC Pete already corrected me on that one
gabriel_laddel: Yeah. I read his blog post on intelligence and genetics, confused the two of you and thought he was making some sort of ad-hoc /pol/-style 'argument'.
mod6: <+hanbot> ... hey mod6, could you make a version of this that isn't aws-specific? or wouldja be willing to me make one? << yea, absolutely. I'll get there at some point soon hopefully.
mod6: Allow me to elaborate for a minute here and I'll explain why I did what I did.
mod6: To begin with, I was completely unfamiliar with gentoo in any sense -- aside from once trying to set it up from the Handbook, which I found that I didn't have time to work my way through and get it set up properly. So my goal was to get familiar with Gentoo and to start to build a system that can be agreed upon that suits our needs for building bitcoind.
mod6: One of my goals was to get this going as soon as possible in AWS so we could continue with builds/testing/development and ditch Debian6. And additonally, I have a 350Gb storage volume there that I wanted to not just discard as it has at least half-a-dozen fully sync'd blockchains on there.
mod6: So the idea was that I would learn a few things about Gentoo, get a hand-rolled stage3 + a fully blessed tool chain and be able to attch my "btc-dev" storage volume and just pick up where we left-off -- at lesat as far as what artifacts I'd already collected.
mod6: Upon news of my endevour, Mr. P. asked me to document what I'd done carefully so we all can be on the same page -- which is also good because I don't know what I'm doing with Gentoo anyway. Having people look over what I'm doing provides some bit of steering in-case I get off course.
mod6: So basically that's where we are. I've gotten to the point where I can create an AWS AMI -> deploy hand-rolled Gentoo instance. I'll certainly continue to build out the blessed toolchain over the next week and beyond. Further, then I'll take what I've learned from all of this and apply it to building a hand-rolled Gentoo on a bare-rails environment.
mod6: Apparently this is not much different than what I've already done, but I really don't know.
gabriel_laddel: mod6: have you looked into the portage sources?
gabriel_laddel: I was poking around the other day - first there is ~70k LoC, which wtf seriously
mod6: And lastly, I really need to get some sort of physical environment here to support that last part. So I'll work on figuring out something for that as well. Maybe even an old laptop.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel but if anyone opposed to smoking, drinking and eating whatever falls into your hads is "new age bs", then hippo should be too.
mircea_popescu: guy's practice was mostly focused on dietary approaches to medicine.
mod6: <+gabriel_laddel> mod6: have you looked into the portage sources? << what do you mean by "looked into"?
gabriel_laddel: mod6: I wrote an ebuild parser, ran sloccount, read through the documentation, opened a few files + ebuilds at random and read through them.
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gabriel_laddel: mod6: I would classify that as "looking into" portage
trinque: diddling portage internals is probably out of scope for what he's working on
trinque: gabriel_laddel: I've heard rumors of gentoo+common-lisp but haven't seen anything; is that you?
mod6: gabriel_laddel: yeah, you'll have to forgive me, i have no idea what you're referring to.
trinque: mod6: package manager thing for gentoo
trinque: portage
gabriel_laddel: mod6: portage is the project that houses "emerge"
mod6: yeah, well, I did add the "portage-latest" into the handrolled gentoo.
mod6: it's in there.
mod6: as far as "looking into" anything specific... i didn't. to me it just seems similar to freebsd's ports or something.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: yeah, I'm fixing the install guide and writing an introductory bare-bones lesson now
mod6: for 3rd party packages right?
trinque: gabriel_laddel: awesome, I look forward to that
gabriel_laddel: trinque: since people are derping around with gentoo, might as well release something
trinque: indeed.
gabriel_laddel: mod6: nah, I just wanted to use something more sane than their default package manager
mod6: ah. ok.
gabriel_laddel: mod6: it is rather poorly designed IMHO.
mod6: anyway, hanbot: I'll be updating the document as I go through this whole process. I'll let you know when I get something that's bare-rails specfic. Thanks for the help! :]
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Aaron's post had nothing to say about smoking, drinking and I don't think that being opposed to these is "new age-y"
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I was simply noting that I'm really the wrong person to speak with about living healthy if one wishes to carry on a conversation.
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assbot: Live robotic da Vinci radical prostatectomy during EAU congress - Barcelona - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HcwDiY )
gabriel_laddel: ^ I had a lot of fun watching that last night
BingoBoingo: I find it kind of funny the first mainstream surgical robots are for urology.
gabriel_laddel: skip to 5:33 for the first stitch
mircea_popescu: i prolly read to much into it.
trinque: the level of control there is remarkable
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trinque: over the surgical implements
trinque: what's the interface for the surgeon look like
mod6: ok all, I'm gonna rebuild this thing with uclibc, I'll have an update for ya in a few hours :]
gabriel_laddel: trinque: check out the start of the video, he is sitting in the station
trinque: ah whoops
trinque: I skipped forward
gabriel_laddel: well yeah, gotta start with the fun stuff
Adlai: mircea_popescu: ablative agent, although i forgot the preposition
mircea_popescu: "There is a pattern here: it seems that whenever Americans arm, train and equip an army, that army stands a really big chance of simply melting away, with the weapons falling into the hands of those who want to use them against American interests."
mircea_popescu: "what would the devil have to pay you..."
mircea_popescu: but of much more direct interest, "It is hard to see why this same pattern wouldn't hold once the US places much of itself under military occupation."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128992 << it's a mixed bag, really. the "new black panther" party was a good chunk of the success of the obama campaign. their disinterest was a big chunk of the ridoinculous fizzle of ows.
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 15:09:44; lobbes: idk re: prison insurgencies. He compares the 'black youth' imprisoned today with former workers for Sadam. Former being terribly unorganized to start with vs. the latter (arguably) being the obverse
mircea_popescu: obviously baltimore riots were a plan hatched and executed by the baltimore drug lords, but it *may* be also part of a larger frontline, a probing operation as it's called.
mircea_popescu: if that's the case, as it well may be the case, they're not nearly all that disorganised. arguably better organised than the government.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129009 << you have no idea how vory even came to be, then ?
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 16:40:25; lobbes: Adlai, career criminals, sure. But I'm skeptical that a bunch of career criminals would suddenly align against a common foe, rather than continue the 'business as usual' of fighting each other
Adlai: what's revolution if not career criminals fighting eachother?
mircea_popescu: good one.
williamdunne: if that's the case, as it well may be the case, they're not nearly all that disorganised. arguably better organised than the government. <<< glad to see standards are staying high
mircea_popescu: well, who you gonna bet on, in the quadriplegic box match ? the blind or the stupid ?
pete_dushenski: let bitbet decide.
Adlai: wheelchairs make a lot of noise, i'll put a satoshi on blind
mircea_popescu: no wheelchairs in the ring. what is this.
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mircea_popescu: THEY MIGHT HURT EACH OTHER WITH THOSE!!1
trinque: lol
pete_dushenski: speaking of which, was there a paqi-mayw bitbet ? don't recall seeing one, which is too bad as i would've loved to have taken some change off of "the people's fighter"
trinque: I've wondered, considering it from the other end, whether the govt's trying to provoke fergusons and baltimores.
pete_dushenski: ya, there's no wheelchairs in wwe wrestling, just barbed wire, cages, lead pipes.
trinque: wouldn't they love having some kind of ISIS lite domestically
pete_dushenski: trinque since they're selling fear, sure. why not.
pete_dushenski: it's diocletian's war economy again.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure there was
pete_dushenski: "the barbarians are coming!"
trinque: one wonders to what end
trinque: the american "powerful" must lack imagination
ben_vulpes: !up Luke-Jr
ben_vulpes: !up Luke-Jr
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << it's a mixed bag, really. the "new black panther" party was a good chunk of the success of the obama campaign. their disinterest was a big chunk of the ridoinculous fizzle of ows. << NBP is truly a tiny thing like FEMEN
mircea_popescu: except femen's not tiny.
mircea_popescu: what are you more likely to run into, a girl that doesnt want to fuck because of what she's heard the catholic church say, or a girl that wants to go topless because of what she's heard of femen ?
mircea_popescu: femen > catholic church.
BingoBoingo: Ah. I was going more for the actual size of the cohesive group rather than its influence sphere.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> speaking of which, was there a paqi-mayw bitbet ? don't recall seeing one, which is too bad as i would've loved to have taken some change off of "the people's fighter" << I though about funding one. Ended up doing a smaller bet on PacMan.
mircea_popescu: the size of that cohesive group is merely a function of the resources wasted on it.
mircea_popescu: the "social studies" grant eaters are larger than the texas oil industry.
mircea_popescu: so what of it.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo what is this 'pacman' you speak of ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what's the hidden message with the beta of spades?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi!
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Manny, the dude who fought money on May 2nd
ben_vulpes: like - "quite clearly not a queen, nor even a gurl ergo beta"
mircea_popescu: maybe that's the husBand
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo ah, comprendo. not up on my boxing nicknames, it seems.
pete_dushenski: thought it was some kind of bitbet competitor lol
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the size of that cohesive group is merely a function of the resources wasted on it. << But consider what USG spends on keeping NBP alive to only have Maybe 200 new Black Panthers vs. what Femen spends on Maybe 200 topless agitators.
mircea_popescu: this is the point where i admit this had been all wild speculation and i have nfi.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm hoping for a rematch before they turn 50. Manny's got the aggression and Mayweather's age showed more.
mircea_popescu: something must be very wrong with boxing if 50 yo ex champs can still walk around unaided.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this is the point where i admit this had been all wild speculation and i have nfi. << My point is you could put most of USia's urban welfare expenditure on making potential Black Panther not starve.
pete_dushenski: srsly. they're both so old already.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Both were nearly 40, either would have been outclassed by the featherweights on the undercard.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dunno dood. by this reasoning you could put the chinese state budget on "making obama get nobel prize"
pete_dushenski: i'd rather watch some younger, sportier boxers. for as much as i care to watch boxing.
pete_dushenski: which, so far, is once. may 2
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> [22:58] cazalla lamassus are worth a grand. << based on?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: THe first undercard fight was great. Second was set up.
mircea_popescu: i used to watch some boxing many years ago because i was friends with some promoters etc. never got into it.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes my broker who also owns four atms.
williamdunne: Not going to lie, I do enjoy watching MMA
pete_dushenski: i think $1k for a lamassu is market atm.
pete_dushenski: mebbe i'm low ?
williamdunne: None of the defensive off the ropes crap
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mircea_popescu: williamdunne hey, i enjoy watching some dude beat the crap / get beaten the crap out of as much as the next guy, but it helps a lot if i know them/there's a substantial quarrel/something.
mircea_popescu: as a "sport"... i dunno.
BingoBoingo: I'd like to be able to consider starting a pro-boxing career at 40
ben_vulpes: you'd know better than i pete
ben_vulpes: asking out of curiousity etc
williamdunne: mircea_popescu does money count? Pretty sure there is a bonus for winning
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes i think 'skyhook' is the cheapest, then lamassu, then the dirty, dirty robocoin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the nasdaq thing is just, they want to use a centralize custom scamcoin to somehow track pre-ipo trades. not really clear what this actually is, tbh, and i somehow doubt it's more than the intersection between inept bitcoin piarism and vague plans for vapornothing.
BingoBoingo: <williamdunne> Not going to lie, I do enjoy watching MMA << I prefer watching boxing for the constraints ove the combatants.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: the skyhook guys actually operate out of a warehouse across town from me
pete_dushenski: actually, come to think of it, mebbe i'm confusing brands. might've been 'skyhook' that was $1k and lamassu really was $4-5k.
pete_dushenski: robocoin... $20k
mircea_popescu: williamdunne i guess. don't you think it kinda detracts from the whole thing ? like, "here, monkeys, a silver coin. FIGHT!"
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: See I like MMA for that lack of constraints. Maybe I'm just a joe-sixpack-adrenaline junky
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes ah cool!
ben_vulpes: i regard the whole project as touching both terminals at the same time and avoid doing so at all costs
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> williamdunne hey, i enjoy watching some dude beat the crap / get beaten the crap out of as much as the next guy, but it helps a lot if i know them/there's a substantial quarrel/something. << This is a serious problem with MMA. It seems a majority of the competitors are just downright friendly outside the ring.
ben_vulpes: anyways, tango now, documentation with mod6 later.
ben_vulpes: ciao bomberos
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i think it's just the way it's being promoted. boxing harks to a different time, with different people. mma is more tuned for the contemporary kid. different life balances.
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: What that lack of constraint gets you though is a rapid turnover at the top. There's so much asymmetry that no one can aspire to prolongued greatness.
williamdunne: I'm not aiming for the greatness, I just want to see two people beat the crap out of each other. Its a bloodsport really I suppose. Turnover is entertaining.
trinque: ^ I think MMA fans would watch an actual coloseum fight just as readily.
mircea_popescu: what'd the difference be ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think mma guys if given the option of gladitorial arms would actually take any.
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trinque: the fighters probably not, due to the whole death thing
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i think it's just the way it's being promoted. boxing harks to a different time, with different people. mma is more tuned for the contemporary kid. different life balances. << Which is why I'm thinking that 11-ish years from now on my 40th Birthday it might be realistic that I could become a ProBoxer
mircea_popescu: i guess if you force them, by allowing armor. buyt then again, gladiatorial combat didn't allow much armor.
trinque: my observation is that MMA is as close to that as you can get
mircea_popescu: trinque my point is that actual roman weaponry would not present an improvement.
williamdunne: Pretty much, optional and without death. Same sort of blood sport though
trinque: ah I just meant the prospect that the opponent could be killed
mircea_popescu: the opponent can be killed.
mircea_popescu: happens all the time, too
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BingoBoingo: trinque: Plenty of unarmored, unsanctioned, stick fights
williamdunne: Well, in comparison to gladiator battles
mircea_popescu: gladiator battles didnt' have THAT many casualties, you know.
mircea_popescu: a gladiator was more expensive a piece of fixed capital than a whore.
williamdunne: What about the slaves they battled? I'd be lying if I said I had much knowledge outside of primary education and 'Gladiator'
mircea_popescu: gladiators were slaves.
mircea_popescu: that's how that thing went, sporting promoters of the 100s went around, buying young strong slaves,
mircea_popescu: then trained them for five years or so.
mircea_popescu: then presented them (or sold them on to senatos and other dude farmers)
williamdunne: Sorry I meant the slaves as if in thrown in the pit rather than trained like you would a prize horse
mircea_popescu: i dunno that was very common.
mircea_popescu: even the xtians were thrown to the lions, not to the gladiators.
williamdunne: Sort of like the difference between a pet and next seasons dinner - even if both are property
trinque: interesting, I was misinformed on how lethal gladiator fights were
trinque: makes sense
mircea_popescu: it really wasn't much higher risk than being in the army, which was you know, a good chunk of the population, especially poorer.
williamdunne: That doesn't seem like a great standard
mircea_popescu: for them or for you ?
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 18:19:52; jurov: neat. i am finally beating the mailman into submission, turdatron can link there
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
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williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Them
mircea_popescu: really ? i guess i never thought of it that way.
mircea_popescu: you understand how roman society functioned, do you ?
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williamdunne: Not particularly, I know fatality rates would be vastly different dependent on region though. Obviously being a city-guard in Rome is a pretty safe job but being the the border of the empire or in active battle/expansion seems like a good way to get killed
williamdunne: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatalities_in_mixed_martial_arts_contests <<< While its probably not complete, doesn't look like many fatalities in MMA
assbot: Fatalities in mixed martial arts contests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNUMkz )
mircea_popescu: well ok, but in terms of standards : as a young man with no property, your options were essentially to go into military service, which offered pay and, upon serving 18ish to 20something years, a large settlement payment and provincial land.
mircea_popescu: this allowed you to take a young woman and start a household in relative security. the exact american dream.
mircea_popescu: the alternatives to this are unclear. if very clever you could have traded, but various ethic groups had a defacto monopoly on that, and a very large cultural advantage.
williamdunne: Yes, I'm familiar with the land-ownership. Truly brilliant option IMO. As you say, American dream.
mircea_popescu: otherwise... maybe become a client for some important patron, and done what the us sub-political class does today. in the day's huffington post and astroturfed meetings and whatnot. a very precarious existence, certainly the slavegirls had it better.
williamdunne: Pretty sure the main alternative was trading or poverty
mircea_popescu: yeah, pretty much. so... it couldn't conceivably been a bad standard for them, inasmuch as it was... the standard.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact this is unchanged millenia later - very few kids end up here, a few more are in the military, and the rest on reddit.
williamdunne: I am the 1%?
trinque: so I made an openbsd home router, and as far as I can tell it's actually doing its job
trinque: appropriately blocked ports via pf, routing the internal network nicely
williamdunne: Any chance of a writeup on it?
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trinque: williamdunne: I'll see about it; wasn't that hard
trinque: I'd have to put up some kind of blog thing
trinque: I tend to want to have a pretty thorough understanding of a thing before I try to teach anyone else, too
trinque: seems there are a hundred-million other knobs on pf I didn't use
mod6: Update: gathering performance metrics on v0.5.3.1-RELEASE full blockchain sync
trinque: I'll also say that pf.conf seems to suffer from the same syntax-creep SQL does, where they just add more to the grammar for every feature
trinque: would've made more sense if it were a sort of function composition thing, where you're producing a function that'll process every packet
BingoBoingo: <trinque> I'll also say that pf.conf seems to suffer from the same syntax-creep SQL does, where they just add more to the grammar for every feature << Actually the problem is they've been supplanting inherited grammar inherited from ipfw they imitated to start with towards more of a sensible firewall language
trinque: ah I see
BingoBoingo: trinque: The worst of the pfconf stuff is inherited
BingoBoingo: "What people had come to expect"
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BingoBoingo: <williamdunne> Any chance of a writeup on it? << A distinct feature of OpenBSD is that outside of the man pages much of the best documentation is still produced on dead trees
decimation: trinque: what box did you use? x86?
BingoBoingo: Well, not a feature of OpenBSD, but their culture
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: GPG signed not good enough?
decimation: asciilifeform: that little fanless 486 would make an ideal serial terminal
trinque: decimation: yeah, an older p4 box
decimation: if it runs dos - then kermit!
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williamdunne: Maybe I could try and one-up them and climb up into the mountains for a few years and carve a guide into a stone tablet.
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: They sign things too, but... For their own use in releases they have a GPG alternative because GPG licensing violates part of their license purity directive. Dunno how good it is , but sometime hetrogyny is insteresting.
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: WHat I mean by dead tree is. People in their WoT write comprehensive books and they all check and then promote the books
decimation: williamdunne: in snowdonia?
williamdunne: decimation: Depends on if a big hill gets me enough BSD points
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo think qntra would be a suitable platform for trinque's openbsd router guide ?
trinque: there are loads of other examples out there; my configuration isn't too interesting yet
pete_dushenski: i'm currently working on installing openbsd on an edgerouter and will publish my own guide once completed.
pete_dushenski: but... not there yet.
pete_dushenski: trinque i'd like to read yours !
trinque: probably next step for me is to stick privoxy in the middle of the http traffic
decimation: williamdunne: do you live in devonshire?
williamdunne: decimation: arr'
pete_dushenski: as for 'loads of other examples', i've only seen one.
decimation: I would like to see the chalk cliffs one day
trinque: alright, maybe I'll do some writing this weekend
williamdunne: decimation: Not my sorta thing personally. I'm still pissed off about the cliff collapsing and fucking up the trains for a couple of months
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
decimation: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/07/the-genetic-map-of-britain/ < apparently devonshire and cornish folk are genetically distinct peoples
assbot: The genetic map of Britain - Gene Expression ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGd2rB )
williamdunne: I'm not from here by birth, nor are my parents. But yeah, some nutjobs in Cornwall want to be an independent country. Ignoring the fact that they actually qualify for a european regional development fund
asciilifeform: !down ascii_field
asciilifeform fat fingers
pete_dushenski: williamdunne where's your family from originally ?
decimation: williamdunne < about as crazy as the scots
williamdunne: Bit of Irish, bit of Cornwall, even more home counties
williamdunne: Pretty much
williamdunne: Still think that London should separate
decimation: last time I was in london I found it depressing
decimation: awash in indians & pakistanis - doesn't feel english at all
pete_dushenski: "North Korea's Defence Minister Hyon Yong-chol has been executed, South Korea's spy agency has told parliament, according to media reports. South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported that MPs were told Mr Hyon had been killed on 30 April by anti-aircraft fire in front of an audience. He is believed to have been accused of showing disloyalty to North Korea's leader, Kim Jong-un."
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo think qntra would be a suitable platform for trinque's openbsd router guide ? << Would require consulting with the other equity partners on deciding if we will do how-to's or how to do them
williamdunne: decimation: Kinda like it personally. Never bothered me, although I've not been there for an extended period
decimation: anti-aircraft fire?
trinque: I'll just stick the thing on trinque.org and then you guys can make your own decisions re: newsworthiness
pete_dushenski: death by anti-aircraft fire reminiscent of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYV-qYeWPkk
assbot: Monty Python - Execution in Russia (funny sketch!) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGdjek )
decimation: williamdunne: it's not that I'm a hater on asian folk, just that it doesn't have a distinct 'englishness' anymore
pete_dushenski: decimation you thought london was depressing ? cripes. never ever ever go to nyc.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski trinque: http://www.nostarch.com/pf3 << The Bible on turning an OpenBSD box into its most common appliance flavor
assbot: Book of PF, 3rd Edition | No Starch Press ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGdoOV )
williamdunne: decimation: Wasn't suggesting you were - I'm just not too bothered by the Englishness thing personally. If thats your boat the South West is probably as good as it gets
decimation: pete_dushenski: yeah that was even more depressing
pete_dushenski: london is the light of heaven compared to nyc
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Also on par with financial stuff
pete_dushenski: and as far as former commercial centres go, london is about as good as it gets imo.
trinque: BingoBoingo: looks like our giant book emporium has it, thanks! (https://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9781593271657-4)
decimation: pete_dushenski: walking the streets of nyc, all I could think was: "how the hell do all these people afford to live her"
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> london is the light of heaven compared to nyc << And the jungles of Granite City put both of those so called cities to shame
decimation: pete_dushenski: london does have better museums than nyc in my opinion
pete_dushenski: most definitely.
decimation: probably the best in the world
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo granite city ?
BingoBoingo: trinque: I find that book for my network appliances what M. W. Lucas's BSD books are to my laptop
pete_dushenski: decimation no argument here.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Granite City, Illinois
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129300 << incorrect. from these figures alone, for sake of argument, it is technically possible that one key accounted for -all- of the moduli.
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 22:03:27; mircea_popescu: so ascii_field from the above, am i correct in deducing that there have been at most 47728 - 31262-4584 = 11882 (out of 47728, or ~1/4) keys without any RSA subkeys in them ?
BingoBoingo: ;;google granite city
gribble: Granite City Food and Brewery | Restaurant and In-House Brewery: <http://www.gcfb.net/>; Get directions to Davenport | Granite City Food and Brewery: <http://www.gcfb.net/location/davenport>; Granite City Menu | Granite City Food and Brewery: <http://www.gcfb.net/menu>
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo ahahha nice.
asciilifeform: (we know that this is not so - but from pure mathematical pedantry, must point out!)
BingoBoingo: ;;google granite city illinois
gribble: Granite City, Illinois.: <http://www.granitecity.illinois.gov/>; Granite City, Illinois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granite_City,_Illinois>; Granite City, Illinois (IL 62060) profile: population, maps, real estate ...: <http://www.city-data.com/city/Granite-City-Illinois.html>
BingoBoingo: ;;google granite city steel
williamdunne: Isn't being in the US a dis-qualifier from the get go?
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: No more than England.
williamdunne: Bears cave vs entrance of the cave?
BingoBoingo: Scotland and Occupied Ireland may have plusses over the US, but England not so.
williamdunne: What functional difference does it matter?
williamdunne: does it make
pete_dushenski: decimation the food in london, at least on a middling budget, was lackluster. or perhaps the museums and architecture just overshadowed the cuisine.
decimation: my impression was that the food was expensive as hell
pete_dushenski: certainly not cheap.
decimation: as a usian, I had to pretend that $1=1gbp or else I wouldn't eat anything
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129306 << mircea_popescu is almost certainly correct, but in usa even multimillionaires (outside of the major cities) live in houses made of precisely these materials, linearly scaled up
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 22:05:41; mircea_popescu: "here i sit in a prefab vinyl siding plebhousing unit, burning a 50 dollar bill" ?
pete_dushenski: decimation but not worse than sydney
decimation: how much does a good steak cost in sydney? and a local beer?
williamdunne: Yeah London is definitely not cheap
assbot: Signs of Sydney | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGdTZz )
pete_dushenski: decimation steak is probably $40, beer $8-10 ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129332 << the sluts in question were received - correctly - as agents of western rot-weapon. and treated with unusual kindness on account of being pretty gurlz
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 22:17:42; mircea_popescu: not that it's not genuine sentiment, i'm sure to some degree it is. the topless sluts were ALSO genuine sentiment, for sure just as genuine, definitely as widely held. the result ? 400 people, beat up by police, not 4mn pushed by the govt press agents.
decimation: that's about average for a good steak in the us, but the beer is at least double
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129342 << mr o habitually 'dips into own stash' - i.e. engages in wishful thinking and allows boundary of reality to blur in his mind. with this in mind, he is entirely readable
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 22:37:12; lobbes: I only just started reading Orlov's blog not too long ago. On alf's recommendation, I skipped to some of his earlier stuff (from roughly 2011?). I do get the feeling that he can either be 'hit or miss' at times.
decimation: one advantage of australia and new zealand is that they have to grow their own fresh vegetables - so everything is 'local'
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform re: housing. the cheap shit houses multimillionaires in cities too, well, 'suburbs'
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: in usa cities typically contain brick&cement structures
pete_dushenski: for houses ??
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ... << mircea_popescu is almost certainly correct, but in usa even multimillionaires (outside of the major cities) live in houses made of precisely these materials, linearly scaled up << In my hometown Beautiful brick house on well maintained lot going for 75 kiloUSD Vinyl equivalent 100 kiloUSD higher
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: for the kind of houses found in cities (that is, high-rises)
decimation: pete_dushenski & asciilifeform : what about the koch brothers building their own western town in the middle of nowhere colorado
asciilifeform has not been there, cannot say
asciilifeform: it could have disney princesses for all i know
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo bizarre...
asciilifeform: i am operating with the common definition of 'city' as this place where civilians live in high-rises
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> pete_dushenski: in usa cities typically contain brick&cement structures << Very common in "city proper"
pete_dushenski: well, for high-rises sure.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Nah, old low rises
pete_dushenski: houses, even $2 mn ones, have concrete foundation and wood beam construction in these parts.
BingoBoingo: There's reasons the lowest in St Louis burn buildings for their brick
cazalla: people here use to pay top dollar for the land but they have this scam of building 6 shoddy buildings where one use to stand so people are paying 500k pretty much for bricks
decimation: pete_dushenski: yeah, in the us more expensive homes are just bigger wooden boxes, built by central americans
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129376 << diet is today, as was then, the main thing one could actually control re: one's body. and the ancient observation 'you are what you eat' appears to -still- be a revolutionary concept to 'fat acceptors' et al.
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 23:23:27; gabriel_laddel: his(their) ability, to develop the practice of medicine in accordance with reality. Being subject to the prejudice and technical limitations of the times is inescapable (the notion of "humors" may have made more sense without knowing of chemical reactions). The notes on the constitution of a patient's stool, fasting and diet are probably still valid. In the 'General Introduction' Jones notes that phi
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that's hardly a common definition in north america. why ? sprawl. no geographic boundaries to contain construction from going horizontal rather than vertical.
BingoBoingo: Wood beams has always been the north American Standard. Wood's been so easy to get.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: in my mind, the zone where 'things go horizontal' is 'not city' by definition
asciilifeform: in usa we call it 'suburb'
asciilifeform: and it is its own type of zone
asciilifeform: (i happen to live in one)
decimation: asciilifeform: what do you call mcmansions in greater montgomery county
asciilifeform: 'city' is where they have underground trains, high-rises, things older than 50yrs
pete_dushenski: decimation indeed. we're seeing increasing amounts of mexican and south us (black) labourers. rest are polacks and newfies (like nubbins`_
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129391 << i am rather surprised to learn that anyone but me still gives a damn about gentoo
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 23:38:48; mod6: To begin with, I was completely unfamiliar with gentoo in any sense -- aside from once trying to set it up from the Handbook, which I found that I didn't have time to work my way through and get it set up properly. So my goal was to get familiar with Gentoo and to start to build a system that can be agreed upon that suits our needs for building bitcoind.
decimation: pete_dushenski: amusingly it is my understanding that the central americans have nearly completely displaced certain construction trades, to the point that it is nearly impossible for a regular white (or black) person to work on a 'framing team'
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that's reasonable. it's also funny to note that while i live in the city proper, it's all of two square kilometers out of, what, 40 ? 80 ?
asciilifeform: (i had the impression that mircea_popescu gave up with it)
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I misrememebred priced at $95 kilo, prolly sell for $75 kilo still http://www.trulia.com/property/3187919868-1515-7th-St-Highland-IL-62249
assbot: 1515 7th Street, Highland, IL For Sale | Trulia.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGeuKB )
pete_dushenski: lolk so edmonton is listed on wikipedia as having 9,426.73 km2 metro area.
pete_dushenski: so much for using my broken head !
pete_dushenski: really. wtf. where all my zeros at ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129449 << orlov assumes that usa will occupy self with same army - and same aimlessness - with which it occupied iraq. this is not a proven fact.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 00:09:37; mircea_popescu: but of much more direct interest, "It is hard to see why this same pattern wouldn't hold once the US places much of itself under military occupation."
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129714 <<< a lot of the good pork/beef/lamb is exported and the supermarkets import shit from china
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:17:59; decimation: one advantage of australia and new zealand is that they have to grow their own fresh vegetables - so everything is 'local'
decimation: asciilifeform: does the 486 'headless client' run dos?
pete_dushenski: decimation well, they gotta start south and work their way north, y'know ? i'm at 53* N latitude !
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129468 << does running free bus from a public university to add meat to the 'peaceful protest' count as 'provoke' ?
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 00:29:49; trinque: I've wondered, considering it from the other end, whether the govt's trying to provoke fergusons and baltimores.
asciilifeform: because they did. i saw - alive.
asciilifeform: decimation: of course it will run dos
asciilifeform: decimation: it is why i bought it
decimation: not gonna put linux on it?
asciilifeform: (in point of fact, a modern pc actually will run dos. but i also want to run classic sound card in dos)
cazalla: another trick the use is to import shit from china via new zealand so as to label it packaged/made in new zealand instead of made in china
pete_dushenski: ftr 53.5* N latitude is the same as hamburg, dublin, and manchester
asciilifeform: decimation: why would i do that. i have no shortage of things to put linux on
decimation: yeah, good point, plus if it's a dumb terminal it wouldn't add any value
asciilifeform: if i wanted a terminal, i'd buy an ibm 'glass tty'
asciilifeform: used to have one, it got lost in a move
asciilifeform: ibm green-screen
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But note the distinct discount wood offers over both brick and vinyl http://www.trulia.com/property/3201379883-1514-Broadway-Highland-IL-62249
assbot: 1514 Broadway, Highland, IL For Sale | Trulia.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGeU3G )
decimation: then it pisses xrays everywhere
asciilifeform: 'radiation king'
BingoBoingo: ^ Location in town could not be better
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo heh. notbad.
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BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm scared to thing how much more that last property would sell for as a bare lot
pete_dushenski: "Carissa Yip, 11, has become the youngest chess master in the US. " << man, those old usian men need to step it up !
assbot: Ringwood, VIC 3134 | 3 Bedroom House For Sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwWHsj )
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it might be interesting to learn who is still playing
asciilifeform: possibly it is only 11yo gurlz
pete_dushenski: "Carissa Yip from Andover, Massachusetts earned the title last month and also became the youngest to ever to defeat a grandmaster, Alexander Ivanov, during the New England Open in 2014." << ok. she's good.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform ivanov sounds like one of your (our?) people.
asciilifeform: idk, can't say i followed chess in the past decade
williamdunne: Good article for Qntra:
williamdunne: Sure there is plenty of stupidity that can be pointed out
assbot: Alexander Ivanov (chess player) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwWJQL )
pete_dushenski: ^'american'
assbot: ItBit Unveils New Board Confirming Qntra Report | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwWN33 )
pete_dushenski: okie dokie gang, off to save the world. laters !!
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: Its saying that they may need further licenses - slightly different, no?
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see the osama death raid 'alternate history'?
williamdunne: >Alexander >Ivanov
asciilifeform: decimation: ?
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: "CoinBase earlier announced licensing to operate as an exchange in all 50 states, an assertion which was later found to be questionable."
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: This is re: itbit not CoinBase
williamdunne: Same stupidity different party
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Sentence from ItBit article highlighting how this problem has happened before and will happen again.
assbot: Seymour M. Hersh · The Killing of Osama bin Laden · LRB 21 May 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGfG0E )
BingoBoingo: None of ItBit, CoinBase, or Gerald "DeathandTaxes" will ever get licensure in all 50 US states because of Federalism yet they will all pretend to have reached it.
decimation: obama's staff said it is all lies
asciilifeform: decimation: the official story not only does not add up, but wtf, they killed all of the witnesses (own soldiers) in 'training accidents' aha.
asciilifeform: does not add or subtract to the credibility of linked piece. but worth noting.
asciilifeform: 'The retired official said there had been another complication: some members of the Seal team had bragged to colleagues and others that they had torn bin Laden’s body to pieces with rifle fire. The remains, including his head, which had only a few bullet holes in it, were thrown into a body bag and, during the helicopter flight back to Jalalabad, some body parts were tossed out over the Hindu Kush mountains – or so the Sea
asciilifeform: ls claimed. At the time, the retired official said, the Seals did not think their mission would be made public by Obama within a few hours: ‘If the president had gone ahead with the cover story, there would have been no need to have a funeral within hours of the killing. Once the cover story was blown, and the death was made public, the White House had a serious “Where’s the body?” problem. '
decimation: makes sense
asciilifeform: 'The world knew US forces had killed bin Laden in Abbottabad. Panic city. What to do? We need a “functional body” because we have to be able to say we identified bin Laden via a DNA analysis. It would be navy officers who came up with the “burial at sea” idea. Perfect. No body. Honourable burial following sharia law. Burial is made public in great detail, but Freedom of Information documents confirming the burial are d
asciilifeform: enied for reasons of “national security”. It’s the classic unravelling of a poorly constructed cover story – it solves an immediate problem but, given the slightest inspection, there is no back-up support. There never was a plan, initially, to take the body to sea, and no burial of bin Laden at sea took place.’ The retired official said that if the Seals’ first accounts are to be believed, there wouldn’t have bee
asciilifeform: n much left of bin Laden to put into the sea in any case.'
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 01:27:04; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check out the fate of jew boy. http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mda39zViQZ1rrufxwo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i would dearly like to learn the context for this picture ^
asciilifeform: and is this a good fate or no
asciilifeform: perhaps he was - poor student.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129622 << you were thinking of netbsd? which has that idiotic turd, using openssl
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:00:08; BingoBoingo: williamdunne: They sign things too, but... For their own use in releases they have a GPG alternative because GPG licensing violates part of their license purity directive. Dunno how good it is , but sometime hetrogyny is insteresting.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, OpenBSD has "signify" uses NACL based thing
asciilifeform: about as distasteful as openssl
BingoBoingo: Well, the libsodium thing. Yes distasteful. Used though only for signing and verifying. Pretty sure we had a short convo about how similar "reop" sucked. Far from ideal, then again ideal needs new silicon.
BingoBoingo: People who have been fumbling in their own WoT simply trying to come up with a useful code signing tool. Ideal, no. Useful, maybe. MP continues his Bob Beck fatwa? Well, MP never really ends those in practice.
asciilifeform: bob beck ?
asciilifeform: useful code signing tool ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Bob Beck the OpenBSd fundraiser. Sginify though was different person, tedu
BingoBoingo: OpenBSD though is at its weirdest reading Loper-OS and it is recognized as C coders trying to make the safest Unix they can
BingoBoingo in practice views signify as the equivalent of iso images with md5 fingerprint offered in 2004. Some asurance contents as packged, but not any guarentee
BingoBoingo has also not yet built OpenBSD 5.7
BingoBoingo: So necessarily has not installed it
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160000 @ 0.00025621 = 40.9936 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: So the Van Cleef name in your linked article was also the same person at the CFTC meeting on Virtual currencies and with lesser connection may have been:
BingoBoingo: !s VanCleef
assbot: 2054 results for 'VanCleef' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=VanCleef
mircea_popescu: shit, i go watch a couple bad marty feldman movies, the log runs off
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menahem: lol, i'm here.
menahem: steady lurkin'.
menahem: how were the flicks ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129621 << real men write all their documentation in welts on nubile caucasian hide.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 01:59:16; williamdunne: Maybe I could try and one-up them and climb up into the mountains for a few years and carve a guide into a stone tablet.
mircea_popescu: menahem pretty bad.
menahem: lol, I know you know your films. which ones did you watch ?
mircea_popescu: "slapstick of another kind" and "the last remake of beau geste"
menahem: and LOL at documenting yoself on some fine booty.
mircea_popescu: the first's only vaguely notable because it depicts a marginal us (in the 70s) running everything on chicken shit
mircea_popescu: president even quips that imagine, the most important man of the 2nd richest most powerful country being reduced to this! air force one powered on chicken droppings!
mircea_popescu: (the chickens are in the cockpit, occupying the entire left side)
decimation: ^ cheaper than liquified coal
mircea_popescu: the 2nd is pretty bad throughout, sort-of a lawrence of arabia made by first time drunk teenagers
menahem: ahh, getting drunk the first time as a teen. good memories.
mircea_popescu: usians don't even know what thery're missing, gettin gdrunk for the first time at 21 is not the same.
decimation: ^ rarely do they wait until 21
menahem: yea by 21 it's almost old. like a pair of worn in pants or something. still useful, but not new.
decimation: although note that usg is fine with 18 year-olds voting and dying in the military
mircea_popescu: dude pete_dushenski has his moments. whodda thunk he has such subtle points down pat as "the most important thing is to not overprice".
mircea_popescu: most people die before figuring that much out.
menahem: pete_dushenski is a pimp. love that guy.
mircea_popescu: you WILL actually make more money letting slightly under market than in ANY other way.
decimation: oh that reminds me, I heard a good econtalk today http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/05/michael_ohare_o.html
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mircea_popescu: and exactly for the reason stated : if you're a slight prize, you get the best crop of tenants competing for you. if not... you're stuck rooting through the bottom of the barrel.
mircea_popescu: and gawd almighty is that barrel deep and has the cat pissed in it.
menahem: lol
menahem: you have the link to that ?
mircea_popescu: to what, the cat ?
menahem: lol dushenski on that
mircea_popescu: it's a metaphor
menahem searching the logs
assbot: Tips and tricks for being a successful (small time) landlord. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1F65KMO )
menahem: ahh brand new, just missed it
decimation: "But the one thing it seems to me that economists wake up--if you wake them up in the middle of the night and say, 'Hey, what's the most important thing?' They will say, 'Marginal cost pricing.' That the way to make a market work properly is that everything should be offered for sale at its marginal cost, which is the cost of someone using it."
asciilifeform: l0l re: article. also remembering 'rentalstarter' etc. for what it's worth, i live on the other end of that stick, the rental market that virtually nobody caters to
decimation: This was in the context of a conversation about art museums. apparently it is forbidden for any art museum to contemplate selling any of their art
asciilifeform: (free-standing houses)
mircea_popescu: decimation so it is.
mircea_popescu: as any purely fiat market, the art market exists strictly on the basis of such policies.
decimation: "'? Guest: Any museum--I'm paraphrasing--it basically says any museum that sells art for any purpose for any purpose other than to buy more art--so it's okay if you have three paintings by Painter A and none by Painter B and you like Painter B and you sell an A painting and buy a B painting. That's okay. But if you ever sell out of the collection for any purpose other than more collecting, then other museum directors are forbidden by
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nobody caters to anything but the govt where you live.
decimation: so apparently most of the monets in the us are sitting in a vault in chicago
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, palace economy
decimation: becuase it would be unethical to sell one to a museum in grand rapids so they could display it
BingoBoingo: Speaking of markets and assets, does anyone want to buy assorted daisy and iris rhizomes for fall delivery?
mircea_popescu: decimation this is strictly better than selling them to that texan idiot that put his fist through em
decimation: sure, no doubt
asciilifeform: l0l when was this
asciilifeform: somehow missed it
decimation: apparently the actual valuation of art in us art museums is hilariously high
mircea_popescu: that bitcoin isp thread on trilema has turned into one of the flat out strangest things i've witnessed online lately.
decimation: "Everybody in Chicago has what is--three and a half million people in the metropolitan area and $35 billion, like three thousand dollar [?] endowment sitting in the basement of this museum."
BingoBoingo: <decimation> apparently the actual valuation of art in us art museums is hilariously high << I price my iris and daisy rhizomes high because historical artifacts. FBI surrendered to BTC once in this yard
asciilifeform: decimation: the entire art market is wholly and solely a kind of 'low-tech bitcoin' for fiat lizards
decimation: yeah exactly
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm reading it now. mindfuck.
decimation: the net effect is that it makes rich people think they are big shots and strokes the egos of the academic idiots
asciilifeform: decimation: notice the obsession with authentication. of, even, jackson pollack's splatters
asciilifeform: it is the dead giveaway of the actual purpose of the whole orchestra.
asciilifeform: has nothing to do with aesthetics, and everything with a kind of bizarre monetization.
mircea_popescu: o btw, the romanians failed this http://trilema.com/2011/test-de-americana/ "test of americana" back in the day.
assbot: Test de Americana on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1F669Pe )
mircea_popescu: questionb being "what town is being entered and which direction"
asciilifeform remembers the 'test de americana' in sierra's 'leisure suit larry'
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