mircea_popescu: this guy's "reasoning" is a process of incredible awkward awesome.
mircea_popescu: "to make sure safety is met, we ductape some met to the safety"
mod6: i can do 2.0.30 with this ^ if that helps
mircea_popescu: 11 00 00 00 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 E6 / 11 00 00 00 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 E7
mircea_popescu: you mean log_hexdump("\nYieldPrime: \n", prime, nbits/8.); ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> log_hexdump("\nYieldPrime: \n", ptest, nbits);
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ought to be log_hexdump("\nYieldPrime: \n", ptest, nbits/8.); <<
mod6: <+asciilifeform> anyway the patch ^ shown above is the ticket. << recompiling for gpg2
mircea_popescu: i dunno but the p an q in your example share nothing useful.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 04:03 asciilifeform: p = generate_secret_prime( nbits / 2 );
mircea_popescu: that 40 00 00 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 / 41 00 00 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 ain't goin' nowhere
mircea_popescu: that "move the mouse and utilize the disk" thing at the top is so fucking lulzy...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall the comment about "setting the two high order bits" ?
mircea_popescu: log_hexdump("\n\nFurther lulz:",prime,nbits/8); log_hexdump("\nYielding:",ptest,nbits/8); << relevant lines.
mod6: building with mpidump
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ^ the corrected patch. << I've got these changes in now.
mircea_popescu: so basically, log_hexdump just reads off the stack, and it mostly reads garbage ?
mircea_popescu: yes yes, but what log_hexdump does is, it dumps from memory starting at address going for count. pretty straightforward.
mircea_popescu: ok. and this does not actually correspond to the numeric format as used by gpg's bignum because mpi reasons.
mircea_popescu: so when feeding the prime generator, it doesn't just feed ap ointer, but unwraps the thing through mpi-something
mod6: my last is generating now...
mircea_popescu: oh i c. so basically, the seed is put into "get next prime" and the difference is liable to be ~the last 3-4 hexdigits
mod6: mine is showing like that so far too
mats: 'Finally caught, two decades later, he characteristically is neither willing to admit, nor dessist from the practice.' << i think you mean desist
mod6: anyway, g'night all
Framedragger: fucking hell. nice public elucidation articles, asciilifeform and mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since we're on this btw, the way i want tmsr-rsa key generation to work is as follows : a contains a number of entropy bytes specified by user in tmsr-rsa.conf read whenever tmsr-rsa.conf specifies (such as urandom); b contains a base-tmsr string specified by user. c = base-tmsr(a).b ; p = nextprime(cut(sha512(c),257)) ; process is repeated for q = nextprime (cut(sha512(c'),258));
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 03:55 mircea_popescu: btw folks - wotpaste wipes shit daily. make sure you save what you want.
Framedragger: (i'll go thru them myself, interesting stuff..)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger you realise it turned out to be a datastruct artefact yes /
Framedragger: is that why alf was calling himself and others idiots (or what was the word)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sha512 and cut to be defined by user ; with the caveat that if they don't produce a min of 258 bytes / 257 258 bytes user is taking life in his own hands. we provide defaults (keccak , "take first nth bytes" respectrively). key size NOT to be defined by user ; tmsr-rsa keys are al 515 bytes long.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger well he got a little excited. but the original observation was pretty scary, which is what got every hand on deck following along (me, mod6 etc)
Framedragger: `log_hexdump` was being used incorrectly? (i'm only catching up, hey)
mircea_popescu: seems certain kock-rsa aka "gnupg" is getting uprooted.
mircea_popescu: yest log is a grim testament of just how little faith republic has in gnupg, and for that matter gnu/foss generally.
trinque grabs coffee and heads to logs
mircea_popescu: there's a pile of incidental nonsense (such as min length for name but not password hurr ; such as 2.0.30 current doesn't even fucking compile, such as etc) that shouldn't disappear under "oh, mpi"
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah, i'm actually felling a bit of that constructive mp-rage towards gnupg. by god it should be kicked and replaced as soon as possible
PeterL eager awaits our savior asciilifeform to bring forth *something better*
mircea_popescu: Framedragger this bs just can't fucking stand, how someone can sleep at night thinking "hey, i'm a maintainer!" atop THAT codebase is anyone's guess.
PeterL: and how can you call something "current" if it does not compile?
PeterL: well, didn't work on mine, I had to grab an older version
mircea_popescu: bitches should be beaten with eulora compile process until their mucosa bleed cow's milk.
PeterL: Framedragger you forgot to put sudo at the beginning
Framedragger: only one last step was left!!! just need to.. patch.. it's legit guyz
trinque: you forgot a sudo on your curl |
trinque: buddy of mine had a twatter somewhere listing the various open sores curl-to-sudos
mircea_popescu: oh and also asciilifeform : e not to be provided by user. tmsr-rsa uses 0x010001 and that's that.
trinque: makes me suspect that reflecting upon one's actions evolved much later than this mindless imitation of what didn't kill some other guy *today*, and that most walkers entirely lack the former.
mircea_popescu: all these bullshit knobs attached to nothing / nothing useful / nothing important, while the ACTUAL important parts aren't exposed.
mircea_popescu: trinque that'd be factual. but while the process is excusable in toddlers and sexually undiferentiated children, it is unacceptable in menstruating women / bois over 16 or so.
mircea_popescu: LET ALONE people with pretensions as to a life of the mind.
trinque: Framedragger: among other reasons anarchism is not a thing, this.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:20 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: just to me, any dreams of "global anarchist revolt" *are* lost on me (i'm terribly naive but not *that* naive). personal responsibility and individualism (vague word, i know) are necessary conditions. and.. yeah, i don't have much hope for humanity, given that...
mircea_popescu: (why 0x010001 ? yes, it's a magic number. but it has magic reasons : 1) it is prime ; 2) it is the fastest multiplication on a 64 bit machine, because it's just a concatenation ; 3) could make it even longer by the same process, but that has a significant impact on speed with no visible security benefit. so it's magic for a god damned reason.)
trinque: not much sad about it; that one person might be free if he achieves it does not mean all are capable of this. further, individual freedom requires having political control of others.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger ahahahaha that lead pic is epic. might even be new screensaver.
trinque: ^^ output of trinque's digested youthful anarchism
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's altogether unclear how much political control over others is required for individual freedom. certainly political control OVER IDIOTS, which includes small children, as well as all the adults with the mind of a small child.
trinque: ah well, there's a lot of them around so far.
Framedragger: ^ true, i guess; and political control over idiots is not a de facto given at all, so, sure, problem.
mircea_popescu: that my freedom requires the ability to send paul graham to his room without supper does not show that same freedom requires my ability to send Maciej Cegłowski. hes doing fine
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: hmm maybe but i don't think so - i think he lived / spent some time there in the past
mircea_popescu: anyway, "San Telmo is a tango-rich environment and there are many studios advertising instruction, but this one seemed the most accessible for someone with social anxiety. There were no buzzers to ring, stairs to climb, or windowless doors to knock on." << the difference of style is palpable.
mircea_popescu: though the effects are not : mp routinely refuses to trade with local idiots who lock their shops.
mircea_popescu: oft the scene plays out as the guy frantically runs to unlock the door just as mp is jew-waving him and turning.
trinque: hoping no customers will interrupt their nap
mircea_popescu: trinque the stupid shit stupid people come up with is squarely not even, up until you get to hang out with them
trinque: guy on IRC elsewhere was earlier expressing his amazement that I could find a coffee shop at 7am
trinque: fucker, texas gets rolling early, gets jacked on stimulants and has half the world drilled for oil by lunch
mircea_popescu: oh btw, re tango : it is a living testament to the ignorant, molasses-thick hypocrisy of these people that they regard tango as "their national heritage", when tango was invented and developed by BLACK DUDES. who then got a little bit of genocide, deliverately (argentina declared war with peru, told black people they make better fighters, sent them to fight, got them exterminated by the mountain folk. this is not unlike telli
mircea_popescu: ng new york italians cca 1880 that they're best fighters and sending them into the ozarks.)
mircea_popescu: today there's maybe fifty black dudes in all 10mn of buenos aires, and they came in the past decade from spanish speaking ex african colonies.
mircea_popescu: in any case : if you're going to genocide an entire fucking skin tone, do me the general courtesy and don't turn around dressed in a plush costume of their dance.
mircea_popescu: either they were too bad to live or they werent for chrissakes.
Framedragger: oh my. sly fuckers rewriting history yet again :/
mircea_popescu: take that, white supremacists everywhere : all white argentina is as bad as an all-fungus erection. i came here for the all-black argentina and didn't even know it at the time ;/
mircea_popescu: fucking epic case of "i came for the waters" "but this is the desert" "i was misinformed"
trinque: usa killed off however many tribes, then named states, cities, damned everything after them
mircea_popescu: in other news, girl now knows how to make pickled ginger. fucking hell it's nice to be delivered of the benzoate ladden supermarket stuff.
trinque: I'm sure they appreciate it
mircea_popescu: trinque ok, but naming is one thing. if the us presidential inauguration consisted of smoking pipe and dancing around in bear costumes, it'd be similar to these fuckers.
mircea_popescu: and honestly, if you need a larger key than 4096 you should just pick a different crypto system.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i had no fucking idea russian has palindromes also.
mircea_popescu: the only thing "i want more than 4096" says is "my crypto is broken". so fix it, don't make the broken longer.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone recall the video for "amazing" ? with all teh advanced technologies!!!
mircea_popescu: "People dance tango at a structured event called a milonga (the word can also apply to the dance hall itself, or to a two-beat older form of tango music), the only social setting in Argentina where you must fetch your own drinks and empanadas at a bar rather than waiting for table service." <<< ahaha fucking bs. as erryone can attest, you get table service.
mircea_popescu: or in the words of mthreat "no, i get it, they must bring your fucking food."
mircea_popescu: "Men ask women to dance by trying to make eye contact and nodding towards the dance floor in a gesture called the cabeceo. In theory this is a discreet way for men to save face in the event of a refusal; in practice it means men cross the darkened room, stand three steps in front of their intended partner, and wag their head gravely until she either gets up to dance or tells them to go away." <<< bwahahaha. fucking idiots. th
mircea_popescu: thing is, we had the nod thing back in romania ; when i visited the eastern empire as a tyke, native chicks that spoke no language i spoke nevertheless knew how it works just fine.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo send the man a congratulatory email ? since it turns out you linked him first.
mircea_popescu: the government has only itself to blame in all fucking contexts. either it's a government of the republic oppressing idiots, or else it has no excuse and no defense.
mircea_popescu: this is generally what women sore in the morning said the night prior.
mircea_popescu: shinohai fucking reddit. apparently they not only not heard of V, but their ears are simply shaped in such a way they CANT hear of v.
shinohai: Such a slow month for qntra, was trolling for stories found this braindamage
mircea_popescu: feel free to pen an explanation of why the republic's v providently defends against problems the idiots just now discovered.
mircea_popescu: "Dulce de leche is a culinary cry for help. It says "save us, we are baffled and alone in the kitchen, we don't know what to do for dessert and we're going to boil condensed milk and sugar together until help arrives". This cloying dessert tar is so impossibly sweet that you wish you were ten years old again, just so you could actually enjoy it. It is everywhere. There is a special dulce de leche shelf in the supermarket dair
mircea_popescu: y case, and the containers go up to a liter in size. Even the churros are stuffed with it - the churros, Montresor! For anyone who has had pastries in Europe, the added horror is that dulce de leche is identical in color, texture and consistency to a number of much less sweet, tasty fillings, like the earthy chestnut material the French call crème de marrons, or the tart kind of plum butter popular in Eastern European bakeri
mircea_popescu: es. You see a thick layer of dark brown jam-like material and think, this couldn't possibly be caramel, there's just too much of it. And so worldliness leads you to great giant bites and then disaster." << this is very much on point.
mircea_popescu has had to train wait staff everywhere he goes to "sin dolce de leche" and also ended up qualifying-in-the-workplace harem pastry chefs, because good god.
mircea_popescu: the only worse thing than argentine deserts is usian hermeneutics.
PeterL: my current project at work is working with cocaine (measuring small levels of impurities in a pharmaceutical cocaine solution)
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 16:50 trinque: could wash her hair
thestringpuller: PeterL: tell me about fractional distillation...for um science...
PeterL: thestringpuller what ya wana know? you heat stuff and it boils fractionally
thestringpuller: i'm doing it for refining "essential Oils", i'm going to buy a short path fractional distillation set
thestringpuller: just didn't know if there is a lab I should do to learn the process better
PeterL: try maybe chem 152 (or however your school numbers things) "into to organic chemistry lab"
thestringpuller: damn. why did i Have to take bio instead of o-chem for my lab science
shinohai: We will see what September brings mircea_popescu thx!
PeterL: thestringpuller: things like that, it might work better to do vacuum distilation with some dry ice or liquid nitrogen, so the heat does not decompose things?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: harem's are much harder to manage in USG. The pets are higher maintenance.
mircea_popescu: harem made out of negative contributors is a pretty doomed affair.
thestringpuller: coincedentally everyone who tried fail. one of my buddies got up to 4 women. then one of them started complaining about "life problems". he tried to shut it down like, "Either get to steppin or shut the fuck up." Did not go over well.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except the magnetism flows from the penis!
thestringpuller: He told me, "American parents did not raise their daughters to be women. But raised them to be disney princesses."
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: yea inpatient harem where girls are college students (Buyers market)
thestringpuller: PeterL: yea i have a few videos where they use a vacuum pump and change the pressure (measured at the condensor)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: the other one almost ended up in scenario where a girl burned down his condo, when she went unstable cause "My needs aren't being met".
thestringpuller: i've srsly never seen a successful longterm harem in my meatwot.
trinque: unstable way before almost burning a condo.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aaaaa... /me broke a half inch thick ceramic piece through pouring purified molten sulphur in there. TO CRYSTALIZE!
PeterL: yeah, in college I compromised a couple vacuum manifolds by forgetting to add a stirbar to the flask before opening to the vacuum line
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 13:46 mircea_popescu: sadly stopped a year or so ago it seems ?
mircea_popescu: (sulphur is excellent material for crystall fucking around - nice complex crystall structure, low melting point)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you probably would have better luck deprogramming the disney princesses. I haven't seen it personally done tho.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it's very simple : if the girl has anything to offer, the "disney princess" act is actually holding her back, and she'll drop it as soon as it's safe ; if she doesn't have anything to offer - ain't no one got time for that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "your enemy to love you" problem. it's a nonsensical endeavour.
PeterL: Speaking of vacuum lines, you ever heard of a Wayda/Dye vacuum manifold?
PeterL: As undergraduate, I worked under one of the co-inventors, Dye
a111: Logged on 2015-12-09 22:16 ascii_field: j. strong's 'methods of experimental physics' covers the basics; the whole b00k is somewhere w4r3z3d in the logz.
mircea_popescu dreams of a time perhaps not so distant in the future where "3d printers" will create chemlab equipment out of magnetic lines.
PeterL: Dr. Dye was fond of blowing his own glassware, but was a lingering throwback of the previous generation, where they would calculate integrals by weighing the cut-out piece of graph paper (cause no computers yet)
mircea_popescu: by sourdough-style math guy who had plotter connected to computer. which he used to plot.
mircea_popescu: "and why does math lab need precision balance ?" "nevermind."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently this wasn't as nutty as it seems - for some reason driving the plotter was a lot cheaper than actually having the machine compute the integral. i dun recall the specificx.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suddenly puts the japanese "music afficionados" in their proper context. cargo cult of something from the 40s.
mircea_popescu: because there it DID motherfucking matter that the paper be smooth and even.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-04 16:30 asciilifeform: fwiw my grandfather spent a good chunk of his life on hydraulic analogue computerz.
lobbes: asciilifeform: I've been searching logz for thread regarding modern AMD cpu being almost as subverted as Intel's. you wouldn't happen to have good reading on the subject handy, would you?
a111: Logged on 2015-10-27 15:25 asciilifeform: there is literally 1 paragraph devoted to amd:
thestringpuller: PeterL: I asked a friend who blows glass for a living, and he said nowadays it's more expensive to blow science-ware by hand than to get the mass produced stuff...
jurov: how it's fraudulent? it's perfectly legal for pyrex brand owner to sell blown turds
jurov: it's just fucking brand
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 12:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since we're on this btw, the way i want tmsr-rsa key generation to work is as follows : a contains a number of entropy bytes specified by user in tmsr-rsa.conf read whenever tmsr-rsa.conf specifies (such as urandom); b contains a base-tmsr string specified by user. c = base-tmsr(a).b ; p = nextprime(cut(sha512(c),257)) ; process is repeated for q = nextprime (cut(sha512(c'),258));
mircea_popescu: suppose i set my keys to be produced with 1mb of entropy.
mircea_popescu: none of your business ; and how you propose this to work ?
mircea_popescu: i thought providing keccak as default is elegant ; but can also provide xoring scheme
mircea_popescu: (caveat fanaticus : while you probably want some ent redundancy for your key, a whole mb for a few kb key is drastically overshooting it. diminishing returns clip any conceivable benefit past a factor of maybe 8)
mircea_popescu: in and of itself, there's nothing dishonest about any code. now imagine dude who keeps putting up this pretense and keeps aluding to his skillz and hunk... then in bedroom he takes slippers off to reveal dildo ductaped on.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 16:36 asciilifeform: (in, e.g., state of new york, unlicensed use of glassware (yes) is a criminal offense)
mircea_popescu: read up on that crazy shit sometime, it's epitomical for the current us.
mircea_popescu: (short version : lawyer lobby added law on books that allows them to sue anything that doesn't have a warning label on ; there's 0 enforcement from anyone but the lawyer mafia ; and for that matter no penalty for mislabeling anything ; consequently all of california is today a huge sticker reading "this item is known to the state of california to cause cancer")
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well not everyone lives in the mordor swamps.
mircea_popescu: "Miss out on Comic-Con? Relive all the action at Comic-Con with IMDb's Comic-Con 2016 Guide." << dude, if there's anything to miss it's the underage nuts, wtf is a guide gonna do.
thestringpuller: so all these thugs turned rapper are lying to their constituents?
mircea_popescu: and i also can't read "depdfization" any other way than "depizdification"
mircea_popescu: honestly im not impressed with the whole scheme , whether fixed or not.
mircea_popescu: dafuq is any of that dumb shit and da fuck is 44+20+20
mircea_popescu: i went to math school, they never taught me that theorem.
mircea_popescu: why not make it 88 + 40 + 40 then and while on it, why not fuck their ugly fucking mother.
mircea_popescu: so fucking strange for the sort of idiot who imagines "all people are equal" to constantly be finding SPECIAL integers.
mircea_popescu: there's no fucking special integers. they're all equal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform after the whole "oh, mp cares about beingmentioned on our obscure mail list" debacle coupla days ago, i actually had this measured.
mircea_popescu: if one of these shits gets read by 3 people, it's a high water mark.
mircea_popescu: yawell. to quote from this great link, "Im just back from ContainerCamp and Gluecon and Im going to Dockercon next week. Really excited about the way the industry is moving - making everything simpler and more reliable. Its the future!"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha first prize by "our judges" to sole submission ?
mircea_popescu: o wait, and the whole shit is a miserable vessenes spam domain trying to capitalize on underhanded c ?
mircea_popescu: why the fuck do you keep linking this irrelevant crap in here omg.
mircea_popescu: what blind ? they're not blind anymore than gut bacteria is blind
mircea_popescu: and do you know why it exists ? because it counts on grannies and alf to get confused by the content, as if words have meaning OF THEMSELVES, not of context, and click/spread the link.
mircea_popescu: understand : propaganda doesn't want you to agree. it just wants you to participate. dun matter so much what value you participate with, which is the point.
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with "fuck you torun, none of you are smart enough to know how this was done."
mircea_popescu: but really, the only message that's worth broadcasting is some variation of "fuck you, you're not good enough and i don't like you."
mircea_popescu: it's like... midnight shopping channel decided to open a tcm competitor.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guy's very representative ; got nothing to stand for and nothing to stand with.
mircea_popescu: way the fuck better than "polite" derp jamming hbo or whatever the fuck.
mircea_popescu: to be perfectly clear, none of that stupid shit is "the future", nor even much of the present.
mircea_popescu: there's no space in any conceivable future for "that whole docker and cointainer thing" ; nor actually for "apps".
mircea_popescu: html5 had a fighting chance as "not just text" ; it lost. this shit is dumber still, with a larger ground to cover still, with less talent and intellectual capacity involved ; and with the corporate nonsense that formed the original impetuus, from apple "app store" to cisco via intel/amd fritzchips etc dying left and right. the bottom's already fell out of apple store, there's no revenue made, and all these idiots can go back
mircea_popescu: So reactions to Docker are not necessarily based on the technology itself. Most haters are not really reacting to Dockers solutions to important and complex problems. Mostly, this is because those problems are ones you might not have noticed if you havent spent time scaling big systems. If you dont intuitively and deeply understand whats meant by cattle not pets << it is directly obvious to me what is meant
mircea_popescu: by "cattle not pets", for the record ; there's a difference between the people who actually understand the problems involved and the inept clowd of usian aspie 14%ers who wish to pretend like they have big town problems, who knows, maybe someone gives them a big town salary.
a111: Logged on 2014-08-27 01:00 asciilifeform: 'pardon my cynical twist, but what are you doing with that 20,000×20,000 double-precision floating point matrix you say you need to invert _today_? If you answer "nutt'n, I jus kinda wondered what it'd be like, you know", you should be very happy that I am most likely more than 3000 miles away from you, or I would come over and slap you hard.'
jurov: asciilifeform you forgot i have several actual borosilicate teapots, bohemian glass that claims to conform to ISO for borosilicate glass. and they sell to da US. it's in the logs
jurov: but complaining about pyrex is easier, I get that.
mircea_popescu: jurov believe it or not they export here. i've been buying exceptional lead glass wine/champagne etc stem glasses.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform his argument is that it fits the spec for performance. which it does.
jurov: yes it never broke due to heat/cold
mircea_popescu: one of the hugest scams of all time, my parents' house hosted numerous clear and colored bohemian glass pots, most a few lbs in weight
mircea_popescu: i guess i lived in the swarovski prince of bell air's mansion.
mircea_popescu: (seriously guise - buy bohemian crystal flutes ; then have fun with the girl making literal music together.)
jurov: it will be non destructive. unless usg exchanges the teapot for non-borosilicate in transit, in what case you don't need it after all
jurov: but you'll be vindicated they have blown the exact shape specially for you
mircea_popescu: if soviet us were any good, they'd just replace it with a normal china teapot
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo send the man a congratulatory email ? since it turns out you linked him first. << Gotta catch up on log to figure out who I am congratulating on what.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, got a link to the original discussion re merits of urbit right before you sold your whatever it was, battlestarisland
ben_vulpes: hrm. can't find the canonical ox and flies link
thestringpuller thanks asciilifeform for inspiration for a rap song "war on pyrex"
BingoBoingo: Maybe he shows or doesn't, but at least either blogger or spam filter has been congratulated.
a111: Logged on 2014-02-02 03:29 herbijudlestoids: has anyone come up with any useful use cases for urbit? all i could think of was a mutt clone lol
mircea_popescu: i dunno who took the russian-kalash-guy act seriously.
shinohai: suppositories or unlubed broom handles?
trinque: $s from:asciilifeform the pig likes it
trinque: mental compression vs log search, fight!
BingoBoingo: shinohai: What are the latter but a subset of suppositories?
deedbot: fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: "wow you guys. you know what I learned today?" (tm) (r)
shinohai: Thanks Stephan for taking the time to use your new crayons to explain it all.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck told these idiots that their soul is worth anything or presents some sort of interest to anyone.
shinohai: It's ok, he learned his lesson, won't happen again.
shinohai: Speaking of South American countries, should I suspect Columbia to be a horrid shithole?
shinohai: Like, hundreds of people on mopeds and muudy streets
shinohai makes note to look into transportation modes further.
mircea_popescu: o holy shit, heroku was acquired by salesforce.com in 2010.
mircea_popescu: jesus these idiots couldn't be more transparent fi they tried.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you realise it's same author, one week apart.
mats: after seeing the annual reports and recent activity, /me ponders buying IEP
phf: $s from:phf rX0ONv1IyCoB
phf: ben_vulpes: i remember there was functionality to not expire wotpastes if they are in the log. what do you need me to provide you with in order to get that operational again?
mircea_popescu: phf really, saving logged links has ~nothing to do with the (imo correct) functionality of pastes expiring
phf: mircea_popescu: oh? that must've changed since last time we had conversation about it
ben_vulpes: phf: tbqh i was considering setting up a trilema style cookie l2 could get their hands on that would keep pastes around
mircea_popescu: "Nothing about McMurdo improves with proximity. Up close, the station looks like a cross between an oil refinery and a struggling community college." << now i have what to link to when people ask me why i can't be arsed to antarctica.
deedbot: Lightsword voiced for 30 minutes.
mats: fields medal winner's list of patterns he matches against to solve problems
mircea_popescu: not bad. at least the section on estimations is pretty solid.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ironically, i am reading the man's name exactly.
mircea_popescu: they use polya-vinogradov as an example for how to get rid of cutoffs
phf: mircea_popescu: having hard time finding relevant bits, since thread diverged many times. a long standing criticism of dpaste was "all these pastes are going to make log not as useful", when ben_vulpes released his wotpaste there was discussion about expiration and how to mitigate it. fwiw i don't remember where it went from there
mircea_popescu: they're two not overlapping tools. not all pastes necessarily end up in log
mircea_popescu: something should be permanented for having being in the log, not for having been a paste
phf: right right, so one option was to scan the log for all wotpaste's and only preserve those
phf: since ben_vulpes can do that
phf: of course another option is to add link downloader, to btcbase for example, but it's a can of worms, that i guess i will have to open..
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mircea_popescu: nothing specific about paste or otherwise. if i click on a link in an old article by that marciej dude, it comes out 404. which sucks.
mircea_popescu: baring you actually being exciting from writing.. a... browser, i guess, the solution was to just archive.is all links and save the resulting zips
phf: right, which requires archive.is level infrastructure
mircea_popescu: i mean... it won't work for alf, but maybe if he needs it a kind soul will unzip the files for him in the magic way
mircea_popescu: your tool failed to break it up into files, just dumped everything into one.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-21 22:30 asciilifeform: and has NOTHING in common with the jpegs or html in mircea_popescu's 32k zip
phf: we just need to keep asciilifeform away from post 2005 technology
a111: Logged on 2016-07-21 22:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's 32k zip unpacks great
mircea_popescu: be this as it may ; if it becomes a standard it'll either continue until we figure it out or mysteriously stop.
mircea_popescu: so this guy ran a kickstarter campaign to pay for his trip to antarctica.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it makes more sense than the dudes who chip in so that a model version of themselves bangs some chick on camera...
a111: Logged on 2015-08-24 01:51 asciilifeform blew an astonishing bag of usd when ran 'phuctor' on aws - and this in its mostly-useless and almost-trafficless first year and half of life
mircea_popescu: basically the "problem" idiots like paul whatshisface are imagining docker solves is entirely a business construct : idiots gave their neck away to "cloud" companies because "it will be cheaper", exactly on the model that produced "export jobs to china"
mircea_popescu: then once the transition was complete and ensconced in culture, it suddenly... wasn't cheaper anymore
mircea_popescu: and the sort of solution they contemplate is, of course, wait for it, drumroll.. MORE OF THE SAME.
mircea_popescu: i know of nothing in nature more resilient than the idiot in his idiocy.
mircea_popescu: i'm entirely at a loss as to what'd it be useful, outside of what Framedragger tried to use it for - which it apparently fervently defends itself against using for
mircea_popescu: (an interesting pattern this - most us made artefacts feverishly defend themselves against being used in the one way they might make economic sense. starting with the citizenry, which somehow doesn't service arab cock all day.)
mircea_popescu: as any whore will tell you, a blowjob doesn't count if you don't make cocksucker eye contact.
phf: ah, i was away during that discussion and forgot to comment. i have it in my todo, but i need to testrun before commenting. it's obviously a good idea, i wish we had archive.is in-wot though
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 00:55 shinohai starts work on the most serene archives ....
mircea_popescu: the task of getting html rendering to work on sanely instrumented platform is ...
mircea_popescu: the big dark secret nobody in the "we, the web community" wants to mention is that html5 essentially failed under cognitive load. they just couldn't do it.
mircea_popescu: wasn't a matter of choice ; much like "we'll fart our way to mars" isn't a matter of choice.
phf: i went through the whole exercise for my lisp based instapaper clone back in a day, so i have some of that code around. but it was neither efficient nor reliable (for example, closure html a lisp based html parser fails in all kinds of surprising ways when you throw random web at it)
mircea_popescu: right. obviously something that will render hello world can be written ad hoc right here ; a standards-compliant renderer is perhaps a decent season project at a middle college (if they still exist)
phf: i'm on board cause we def need to preserve the tumblr content
ben_vulpes: could possibly serve both archive, index and lookup.
shinohai: At least phf has priorities straight
ben_vulpes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1524957 << there is a notion, pernicious to the small-time and novice operators, that virtualization providers save time in infrastructure management. it's very much a "i just want to" write the software attitude.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 01:08 mircea_popescu: basically the "problem" idiots like paul whatshisface are imagining docker solves is entirely a business construct : idiots gave their neck away to "cloud" companies because "it will be cheaper", exactly on the model that produced "export jobs to china"
mats: asciilifeform: no, i will put it on my list
ben_vulpes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-24#1249839 << the other way of looking at this is that "if hosting costs are a serious/worrisome part of your bottom line as a web/mobile app operator either you fucked up and badly on provisioning, or you don't make enough money"
a111: Logged on 2015-08-24 01:51 asciilifeform blew an astonishing bag of usd when ran 'phuctor' on aws - and this in its mostly-useless and almost-trafficless first year and half of life
ben_vulpes: "oh wait costs in db are escalating, quickly get in there and learn the arcane aws-specific optimizations!"
ben_vulpes: "aaaaa now we're serving too much shit from disk, quickly, put cloudfront in so we're not charged egress fees"
ben_vulpes: it is the *perfect* make-work machine.
ben_vulpes: (phf would likely add datomic to the list)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes quite exactly. a sort of "when soviet army provisions jets, it provisions tupolevs!" what the fuck difference does this make to wage slave trying to get from point a to point b ?
mircea_popescu: but the whole fucking shebang is "feeling like a trader". hence what they want is "google infrastructure for the rest of us". because totally, google first built the infrastructure and THEN was google. not the other fucking way around, first came up with page rank and then had to burn the cash in some accountant-permissible way
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> it is the *perfect* make-work machine. << seems an exact description.