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mircea_popescu: this actually looks a lot like mpoe-pr baiting threads.
Namworld: What?
herbijudlestoids: easily the best bitcoin website ever:
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00093552 = 12.5827 BTC [+] {2}
chipug: it doesnt even fit on the page properly!
Namworld: The url tells me otherwise
chipug: lol hi Namworld
herbijudlestoids: Namworld, didn't you see it says *free*
chipug: mircea_popescu: wtf was that balloon guy thinking?!
Namworld: Yes I see it.
mircea_popescu: that dicking around with my pr is fun
mircea_popescu: the name of at least one nurse in the burns section ?
chipug: lol!
dudesir: mircea is the 30 BTC fee going to change eventually?
mircea_popescu: it was 20 up until glbse croaked.
mircea_popescu: it'll go to 50 eventually.
dudesir: lol I was assuming downwards, I suppose MPEX is only for those who are already rich...
Namworld: The rules are like this, dudesir: fee will only increase or stay the same.
dudesir: haha why?
Namworld: Why not?
dudesir: more users?
chipug: everything increases with time, even waistlines
herbijudlestoids: dudesir: its an exchange, do you have an account with the CME or NYSE? you have an account with your broker, who has a seat (or equiv) at the exchange
Namworld: MPEx doesn't need more members and doesn't offer much support.
Namworld: It's designed to work like any stock exchange.
Namworld: Not for everyone to sign up on.
Namworld: Only large brokers and large institutions.
Namworld: People with lower investments can use a broker like CoinBR to trade MPEx
dudesir: Does it cost 30000$ to get an acct at nyse?
Namworld: Much more than that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5698999 BTC [+]
dignork: dudesir, actually more
herbijudlestoids: $30,000 per MONTH i am pretty sure
chipug: i could live off that for life!
dudesir: Ok, I think I understand, NYSE is like an underlying exchange and brokers are on top of it?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids was about 1.5mn per year iirc.
herbijudlestoids: and not just that but its not like you can just buy a seat at the NYSE, someone has to die or want to sell their seat
ozbot: NYSE, New York Stock Exchange > About Us > News & Events > News Releases > Press Release 12-30-2005
Namworld: I found this, looks like about 4 million in 2005
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00093454 = 9.3921 BTC [-] {2}
herbijudlestoids: "However, to own a seat, a trader or broker must meet more criteria than simply being able to afford it. Prospective owners of the seats must go through a stringent review process and, once accepted, they are required to maintain high levels of compliance and ethics as the NYSE and governmental regulators constantly review members. "
mircea_popescu: well mpex users are also required to maintain high levels of compliance and ethics.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: do u need someone ethical like me to do due diligence on all your members? :P
herbijudlestoids: uhoh its vexual
mircea_popescu: it's a self-performing operation. one of these days ima wake up to a report of "and then X tried to break Y" and just go "so revoke X"
dudesir: So does being a member enable you to vote on what stocks get allowed? I think I have much research to do on how the NYSE operates...
herbijudlestoids: uhoh i think my analogy has gone too far
Namworld: Nope
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, if the average person knew a whole lot of how the real world functions they'd be pretty scandalised.
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean it's 5mn and a bunch of crap and al lyou get for it is the opportunity to eat the crap ?!?!!"
mircea_popescu: "i want fries with that!11"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
herbijudlestoids: the price is only there as a barrier to entry, not as a meaningful representation of how much it costs to maintain the seat
herbijudlestoids: (on NYSE i mean)
mircea_popescu: generally.
herbijudlestoids: you get a pretty good deal for 5 mio IMHO
herbijudlestoids: naked short almost anything even unborrowed
herbijudlestoids: cancel trades
Vexual: im in a loop thinking of numbers i don't understand, but there are external govt regulators vitoing bullshit on wall street no?
mircea_popescu: sort-of.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you'
mircea_popescu: re confusing seats with specialists.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.118 = 0.944 BTC [+]
nubbins`: asciilifeform, great story
mircea_popescu: not all the people in the pit are specialists.
ThickAsThieves: vitoing, is that how italians vote?
herbijudlestoids: you cant really be a specialist without having a seat or working for a bank/insto that does
herbijudlestoids: not that there are many specialists left
herbijudlestoids: lol wut pit?
ThickAsThieves: this is a pit
herbijudlestoids: how many left and how much trading on them vs electronic outcry markets
nubbins`: your mother's pussy is a pit
nubbins`: sorry, habit
Vexual: zing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02988998 = 0.1494 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
ThickAsThieves: NEOBEE IPVO End Date Announcement
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5699 = 1.1398 BTC [+]
Vexual: do you know what will happen to unsold shares?
ThickAsThieves: did you read the post?
Vexual: ye
ThickAsThieves: details forthcoming
Vexual: did you read my question?
Vexual: you're allowed to say no
ThickAsThieves: i'm allowed to direct you to the post actually
Vexual: thought so
Vexual: :)
Vexual: always professional tat
ThickAsThieves: but sometimes i can behave
ThickAsThieves: you could always say what you WANT to happen to the shares, like every other forum investor is about ti
ThickAsThieves: say = post
ThickAsThieves: time for bed
Vexual: can you say what you would want to happen with them?
ThickAsThieves: i cannot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5699 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04500001 = 0.675 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: where are you? Teheran?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55000531 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.04020196 = 0.402 BTC [-] {4}
DrSteveBrule: hello. I grabbed a lifeboat and we have not even hit the iceberg yet. Anyone else in the lifeboat with me? I have a 10 bag and a bluetooth speaker playing a bob marley mix
DrSteveBrule: ooh, and a magazine of Bears monthly. Warm fuzzy bears in my lifeboat.
benkay: dafuq?
DrSteveBrule: in other words I'm shorting all the coins
benkay: how'd you construct that position?
benkay: i see.
Vexual: sounds bent
DrSteveBrule: My apologies, I don't want to sound like one of those crazy people who just wants to come in a speak bullshit. My reasons for my current short position are 1) Elliot wave principle 2) I don't think the Chinese gov likes bitcoin 3) 4 million dollars worth of option puts bought on
DrSteveBrule: I just came here to see if anyone felt the same?
DrSteveBrule: by the way, the option puts expire this month, and the strike price was set for between $400 - $500
DrSteveBrule: that was new news to me today, so correct me if I'm wrong. But thats quite the gamble
flins: but isn't the lot size 0.1btc?
ozbot: MASSIVE options order on
DrSteveBrule: flins, i believe you are looking at the price of the option contract
DrSteveBrule: of (1) option contract
DrSteveBrule: for that specific type of contract (with end of feb expiration and strike around $400-$500) but that website is hard to understand, so I may be wrong. Coming in here to see if other see the same
benkay: ;;calc 487.9146/1000
gribble: 0.4879146
benkay: the perspective you're missing is how much that person paid for those puts.
DrSteveBrule: what do you mean?
benkay: the breakeven on the position is a function of both the strike price and price paid.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
benkay: ;;google delusions options
gribble: Delusional Disorder Guide: Causes, Symptoms and Treatment Options: <>; A Review of Delusions of Parasitosis, Part 2: Treatment Options: <>; A review of delusions of parasitosis, part 2: treatment options.: <>
DrSteveBrule: for example, i see 1000 @ 0.487 = 487 BTC with a stike at 500 / doesn't that mean they bought 1000 contracts at 0.487BTC?
benkay: ;;google serialized delusions options mpex
gribble: MPEx: The Missing Manual 5 - Account statements and transfers ...: <>; MPEx: The Missing Manual 1 - History and Registration - serialized ...: <>; serialized delusions: <>
ozbot: MPEx: The Missing Manual 6 - Options - serialized delusions
benkay: ;;calc 500/(1-0.4879)
gribble: 976.371802382
benkay: eh
benkay: building a finite state machine. can't be arsed with option pricing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
benkay: DrSteveBrule:
DrSteveBrule: thanks benkay
DrSteveBrule: options are so easy to understand
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
benkay: it's the world, really. most people just insulate themselves from it until that awful day it rears up in all of its raging complexity and they're forced to deal.
DrSteveBrule: yea, that should be taught in schools and in church. I believe there is a quote in the bible about options...
ozbot: 2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 0 blocks | Estimated Change: 19.4628% in -1d 23h 39m 51s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 30 @ 0.005 = 0.15 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00093403 = 23.631 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1977 @ 0.00012524 = 0.2476 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15499999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.155 = 0.31 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: So if I'm to understand, shareholders of mpex are about to get a bigger than expected dividend
benkay: "about"? has january's not gone out yet?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
chipug: benkay: does gribble save the link for when mircea next logs in?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20113 @ 0.00093713 = 18.8485 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: how do you go about getting an invite to CoinBr
ozbot: About CoinBr
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.118 = 0.236 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.11985714 = 0.839 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00584 = 0.3854 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.15499999 = 0.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.24310363 = 1.4586 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.569898 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: mornin
Mats_cd03: so what do i do on coinbr to invest in mp
kakobrekla: hi there
Mats_cd03: hi dere
kakobrekla: do you see the big green button in the control panel? should say "INVEST IN MP"
kakobrekla: ahh yes it doesnt, because this is not a toy computer!
kakobrekla: no but really, the "how do i invest in mp" is not a valid question
kakobrekla: you need to be more specific
kakobrekla: you want mpbor? you want mpoe shares? maybe trilema credits?
Mats_cd03: mpoe shares
kakobrekla: well you buy those then
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12211249 = 0.9769 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
kakobrekla: now shows bitcoin days destroyed for each tx which is kinda cute
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 94 @ 0.002999 = 0.2819 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: "The documents also show that JTRIG infiltrated chat rooms known as IRCs and identified individual hackers who had taken confidential information from websites."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12417 @ 0.00093818 = 11.6494 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: 'infiltrated'
herbijudlestoids: amateurs hacking amateurs
kakobrekla: i fink herbijudlestoids is nsa
kakobrekla: came out of nowhere, pasting charts n shit
kakobrekla: very suspect.
herbijudlestoids: its yall fault for supporting openbsd
herbijudlestoids: cos i wouldnve never heard about this joint otherwise
herbijudlestoids: but no, not NSA, doubt i would pass a background check :P
herbijudlestoids: kakobrekla: im iranian :P
kakobrekla: that is excatly what they would do to make us think we are safe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00093882 = 4.9757 BTC [+] {2}
herbijudlestoids: if you like, from now on i can upload the pictures to freenet and you can fetch them from there
herbijudlestoids: hows that!
kakobrekla: "wait wait, so his middle name is really 'osama'?" "yes garry, how convinient eh" "indeed, lets make him the director!"
herbijudlestoids: fucker, osama is a semitic name, im iranian! we arent arabs!
kakobrekla: whatever, people think im from somalia.
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: earlier when you were mentioning homomorphic turds, i thought of this but couldnt remember the name:
herbijudlestoids: is that in the same vein?
kakobrekla: herbijudlestoids are you also operating on fx market?
herbijudlestoids: kakobrekla: yep i have access to the two largest interbank ECN :)
kakobrekla: you might be interested in bit4x then
herbijudlestoids: 1 pip spread lol
kakobrekla: myea thats on the newb accounts
herbijudlestoids: this is an STP, not ECN
kakobrekla: without comission n shit
kakobrekla: o its ecn to currenex
kakobrekla: or a passthrough or whatever you wanna call it
herbijudlestoids: Straight Through Processing...thats what Currenex is. a big matching pool for retail to get fleeced
kakobrekla: right
herbijudlestoids: to give you an idea, my current broker offers a spread of 0.2 pips on EURUSD during Frankfurt/London/NY sessions
herbijudlestoids: i pay 7USD per 100,000USD lot
lippoper: !last ozbot
assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
Apocalyptic: who's your broker herbijudlestoids ?
kakobrekla: herbijudlestoids you get about 0.5 pip on pro acc here
lippoper: ;;last ozbot
gribble: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
herbijudlestoids: Apocalyptic: pepperstone in aus
kakobrekla: and no swap
kakobrekla: the point is bitcoin denomination anyway
kakobrekla: not so much scalping conditions
herbijudlestoids: waitwhat, no swap?
kakobrekla: yea ;)
herbijudlestoids: so i can pretty much guarantee youre running an unhedged book then?
kakobrekla: all is hedged on currenex
herbijudlestoids: and they magically require no swap of you?
kakobrekla: islam saves dude.
herbijudlestoids: yea, ok seriously no thanks :)
kakobrekla: you cant imagine the pain our people went through to get this.
herbijudlestoids: advice from someone who trades FX seriously, but offering STP broker, 500:1 leverage and no swap is only going to attract retail weenies to get fleeced. real FX traders like ECN, probly max 10-20:1 LVR and want their swap
kakobrekla: fleeces dont have 10 btc
kakobrekla: but your arguments re leverage n stuff are not valid
kakobrekla: but i can see how that might appear on first look
herbijudlestoids: i know FX traders. i am one.
herbijudlestoids: we joke to each other about the people who trade in STP
kakobrekla: point is elsewhere
herbijudlestoids: i will preface it and say its just my opinion, but serious traders only like to trade their money in real markets
kakobrekla: no worries
herbijudlestoids: maybe im wrong and theres a hundred props out there just drooling to short bitcoin on leverage?
kakobrekla: see, told you you have wrong ideas
kakobrekla: we dont even do that.
herbijudlestoids: oh so its only the balance denominated in bitcoins?
kakobrekla: balance, profits, losses
herbijudlestoids: well then i am even less sure why i might use this lol
kakobrekla: ask people who opened an account in 2012 with 100 btc min
herbijudlestoids: and how did the brokerage account benefit them over keeping those 100btc in a wallet?
kakobrekla: 100 btc was something like 1k usd back then
herbijudlestoids: i understand that, but when they open the account with you all they are doing is changing their ownership of 100btc into ownining a liability from you to return 100btc
kakobrekla: brokerage only benefits from good traders
kakobrekla: which make comissions
herbijudlestoids: i am not sure how that liability is inherently more profitable than the underlying asset
herbijudlestoids: look, i dont want to come off as negative nelly on your pet project
kakobrekla: profitability depends on your trading skills
herbijudlestoids: just trying to give my 2c and hope you appreciate the honesty
kakobrekla: no worries you can bark all you want
herbijudlestoids: err exactly, profitability depends on trading skills, ergo, i have nothing to ask people who opened an account with 100btc in 2012
herbijudlestoids: if they are profitable its because of their skills or luck, and if not then not. nothing to do with the BTCUSD rate.
kakobrekla: i kept my exposure to btc while operating on fx market
kakobrekla: which was the right call.
herbijudlestoids: well, while "operating" on the FX market, you took on liabilities yourself, probably in several times excess more than the net value of your BTC on several occasions, so whatever premium you earned is a risk premium, thats all, nothing special
kakobrekla: funny guy
herbijudlestoids: am i funny because you think im wrong? pls lemme know how your strategy goes on nonlinear event days :)
kakobrekla: assuption is the mother of all fuckup
kakobrekla: eh, assumption.
herbijudlestoids: dude. FX trader talking here. i have been in the *real* market on leverage when the liquidity evaporated, on numerous times.
herbijudlestoids: so unless youre claiming that all of your trades are operating without leverage...
kakobrekla: im not sure whats confusing you to write all the bollocks really
herbijudlestoids: im not sure which bit you think is bollocks? do you really think you didnt take on any liabilities when placing leverage trades? do you really believe that stops on currenex are honoured during liquidity events?
herbijudlestoids: if its bollocks, enlighten me
kakobrekla: haha?
herbijudlestoids: the venetFX risk disclosure statement, points #1 and #2
herbijudlestoids: i bet they pool the accounts too
kakobrekla: who pools the accounts?
herbijudlestoids: you should send an email to venetFX asking if they pool accounts :)
kakobrekla: im in the vfx office nao
kakobrekla: i can just punch someone in the fae
kakobrekla: anyway, i never had a case in 2 years where what you describe would be a problem
herbijudlestoids: recency bias
herbijudlestoids: i have experienced it trading USDJPY during the may 6 2010 flash crash
herbijudlestoids: and trading EURNZD before RBNZ comes online in the morning
herbijudlestoids: i have even had limits in EURUSD gapped during news
herbijudlestoids: on the fucken happens
kakobrekla: im stacked with btc so whatevs
herbijudlestoids: well, i guess all i can say is i hope you never experience a 1% adverse move when youve got a 100:1 open trade :)
kakobrekla: i would never use :100
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 80 @ 0.005 = 0.4 BTC
kakobrekla: but yeah if people wanna gamble, let them gable
kakobrekla: gamble
herbijudlestoids: kakobrekla: in europe i like dukascopy and have an account there, but rarely use it anymore since pepperstone came to australia.
kakobrekla: as long as they pay...
herbijudlestoids: kakobrekla: i got a bunch of models for FX that i cant use, want em? :D
herbijudlestoids: i will even share them for free
kakobrekla: dunno all models are wrong
kakobrekla: some are useful
herbijudlestoids: these are models where the goal is to generate a ~10%CAGR over ~10y with low/no correlation to regular asset classes
herbijudlestoids: mostly for EURUSD since that is my bread and butter, but a couple of adaptive ones that tend to work as part of a portfolio of model
kakobrekla: why is it that you cant use them anyway
herbijudlestoids: well i build more models than i need, and only have so much capital, plus some are more tax constraining than others
herbijudlestoids: here ya go, i wrote this mean reversion model for EURUSD in R and as well an MQL4 copy, i noticed you support MT4 as the platform so this one is probly easier
herbijudlestoids: basically betting against short term action and sizing based on position in the long term range
herbijudlestoids: i have a better version which uses a couple of simple regime filters somewhere, that allos the same model to work on all the major pairs...lemme see if i can find it
kakobrekla: > if(Close[1] < Close[n] && Close[1] > Close[s]) {
kakobrekla: heavy shit ;)
herbijudlestoids: there ya go, here is the regime filter version
herbijudlestoids: kakobrekla: simplicity = robustness :)
kakobrekla: dont get me wrong
kakobrekla: i love simplicity
kakobrekla: after a year of simplicifying i ended up with 5k+ lines of code in 3 seperate processes
herbijudlestoids: i also got a follow through model somewhere, built originally for GBPUSD...called (no surprise) deconfidence, cant find it right now
herbijudlestoids: kakobrekla: i should clarify. these models are not for intraday use, they trade on an EOD basis
kakobrekla: ill bounce it to enky, he does evaluations n shit
herbijudlestoids: anyway, i got some more around, lemme know if you want them.
kakobrekla: let see what he sez
kakobrekla: but imo thats not what im after.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00093504 = 16.5502 BTC [-]
herbijudlestoids: i guess im interested to see what he has to say, the mean reversion model i actually implement is not *too* far off that ;)
herbijudlestoids: slightly different design for tax purposes
kakobrekla: sure ill fwd you the reply
kakobrekla: what is the tax issue exactly
kakobrekla: perhaps you need a btc denomination
kakobrekla: hehe.
herbijudlestoids: basically, depending on my gross income in a given year i can have my tax treated certain positions allows me to claim them as hedges against other positions in other markets...much better tax treatment, better overall annual return
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 825 @ 0.002999 = 2.4742 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: i hire an accountant to do the legwork :P
herbijudlestoids: btc denomination i dont think will help me unless i plan on never repatriating any profits
herbijudlestoids: which i need to do, so i can rebalance various investments etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 197 @ 0.0029998 = 0.591 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: hm why do you think that?
herbijudlestoids: because i have to explain to the tax office where the money in my account is coming from? and if i just say "selling bitcoins" then i have to pay 50% capital gains tax?
pizzaman1337: what country do you pay taxes to?
kakobrekla: well move then, no fx or btc gains tax here
herbijudlestoids: im in aus
kakobrekla: and that question mark on the end, does that mean you are unsure
Apocalyptic: no capital gain tax in Switzerland either
kakobrekla: well you have capital gain tax here but not for spot fx or btc
herbijudlestoids: kakobrekla: no not unsure, i guess i thought it was an obvoius question
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [-]
herbijudlestoids: trust me i am very sure about my tax treatment lol
kakobrekla: well different countries have different laws
kakobrekla: but you can also use btc directly
kakobrekla: to buy stuff
kakobrekla: like a G5 or something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
herbijudlestoids: hehe im a lil more profitable than consumer goods can cover
herbijudlestoids: or is a G5 some kind of expensive thing i dunno about
herbijudlestoids: i thought you meant a mac :P
kakobrekla: gulfstream 5
herbijudlestoids: lel, ok im not that profitable ;)
kakobrekla: bitcoin assets : where g5 is consumer goods
herbijudlestoids: i hear the US AG was in sweden today, think there is some trouble brewing over the assange case
herbijudlestoids: o, nvm dont click, paywall
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150 @ 0.00093764 = 0.1406 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: herbijudlestoids you want the short answer or the long answer
herbijudlestoids: kakobrekla: always the long answer, even though i dont know which question youre referring to :D
kakobrekla: low pf, very low sortino, good to catch reversals, return is shit compared to all the risks
herbijudlestoids: lel, its not position sized? its just the model
herbijudlestoids: o wait no it is position sized
herbijudlestoids: but coo :)
kakobrekla: we dicarded models with twice the performance of that
kakobrekla: discarded
kakobrekla: not trying to rain on your parade
kakobrekla: just sayin
herbijudlestoids: no its coo, my parade isnt exactly that but similar
herbijudlestoids: (at least for mean reversion on EURUSD)
herbijudlestoids: like i said, i write way more models than i need, store them if they make ~$10,000 from $10,000 in ~10y and discard if not
herbijudlestoids: gon watch this fullscreen, pls excuse me
kakobrekla: 10k from 10k in 10 year
kakobrekla: you will be dead by the time you make money
kakobrekla: anyway i go. later
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001244 = 0.1244 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1632 @ 0.00012218 = 0.1994 BTC [-] {5}
ThickAsThieves: "The Auroracoin is set to release in less than two months and has a very unique distribution plan. It will give every Icelander 31.8 Auroracoins (AUC)."
chipug: thats a bloody ace idea
truffles: can we expect murrcacoin
chipug: for promotion
chipug: who is behind it?
ThickAsThieves: nevermind
ThickAsThieves: it's just another alt
ThickAsThieves: and now i'm officially done with Bitcoin Magazine
truffles: just another alt scheme eh
ThickAsThieves: so much wrong in that solution
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truffles: splains why relevant stuff on page 2..
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ThickAsThieves: i know this might sound bad, but is there any good research on using ignorant crowds as indicators?
ThickAsThieves: something like, 85% of bitcointalk thinks A is the right choice, thus B is more likely to be correct
truffles: what one informed ?
truffles: makes^
truffles: plenty of ignorant smart ppl itc :D
ThickAsThieves: it's more about polling people that "think" or have been "taught" to think their superficial understanding is useful
ThickAsThieves: well we're all ignorant to something
ThickAsThieves: many things
truffles: but are they aware of that ignorance
ThickAsThieves: in this case no, that's the whole thing
ThickAsThieves: they are anti-intellectual
ThickAsThieves: so maybe a good indicator
chetty: ThickAsThieves: easy, look at election results ...
truffles: well business and finance arent usually where u find the brightest bunch
truffles: IT makes me more disappoint sometimes
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.15 = 0.45 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.15 = 0.75 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.106 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.0009345 = 5.7005 BTC [-]
Duffer1: Max Keiser, the human spambot
Duffer1: why am i following his twitter
truffles: u secrectly admire him
ThickAsThieves: you follow him because he's the most visible hardcore bitcoiner
Duffer1: i don't know if i know enough to discount his seemingly algorithmic financial-word-salad spam
Duffer1: hardcore is a good word for it
ThickAsThieves: i only pay some attention to him because of his devotion and that sometimes cooler people spend time with him
truffles: who is cooler than kaiser??
Apocalyptic: truffles, what have you been up to lately ?
truffles: not much, i did miss my fav opp :D
truffles: urself?
Apocalyptic: been busy travelling
truffles: business or pleasure?
truffles: or other
Apocalyptic: kinda both :)
truffles: u eat the extra thin layer skin of pistachios?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.083608 = 0.418 BTC [-] {4}
truffles: thought paypal was the unsafe way to do transactions anyways
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00557127 = 0.5571 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55110111 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.00083999 = 0.126 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 322 @ 0.003 = 0.966 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.0299 = 0.1196 BTC [+]
punkman1: "Concerned about the security of his digital bitcoins, Russell agreed to digitally submit 201.7 bitcoins to a man in the United Kingdom for 190 physical bitcoins"
deadweas1l: yay malwarebytes!
Diablo-D3: >190 physical bitcoins
deadweas1l: he only lost 10, sounds like a deal for the ignorant.
Diablo-D3: deadweas1l: uh? he lost all of them, no?
Diablo-D3: theres no such thing as a physical bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: basically "Forumite doesn't use escrow, news at 11!"
Duffer1: sounds like he was trying to buy some cascs from a scammer
deadweas1l: taht's what I thought.
deadweas1l: so he lost all
deadweas1l: FUUUUUUUCK
deadweas1l: dumbass
Duffer1: poor guy :(
punkman1: but they were btctalk buddies for a year, such trust
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.08302001 = 0.3321 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 230 @ 0.07761573 = 17.8516 BTC [-] {19}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.003 = 0.387 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001205 = 0.1205 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1448 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1130 @ 0.003 = 3.39 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00093366 = 2.6609 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: pandora just scammed me
ThickAsThieves: told me if i watched some vido ad for 30secs i'd have 4hours of no ads
ThickAsThieves: 90 minutes later, an ad
Duffer1: spotify is better in every way
ThickAsThieves: disagree
ThickAsThieves: it is better in some ways
ThickAsThieves: not every way
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 200 @ 0.005 = 1 BTC
Duffer1: disagree :P
ThickAsThieves: pandora is way better at suggesting new music
ThickAsThieves: ive found so many new things i like from their radio
Duffer1: ok you got me there
Duffer1: their channels are more in line with the type of music you're likely looking for, spotify's radio feature just don't compare
Duffer1: doesn't
ThickAsThieves: nor does Google Music's
Duffer1: i haven't even tried gmusic
ThickAsThieves: it's pretty nice really
punkman1: that's because Pandora pays people to categorize every song
ThickAsThieves: right now my issue is iTunes exclusives
punkman1: too bad they shut it down in EU
ThickAsThieves: fucking bullshit
Duffer1: i went from pandora to grooveshark to spotify, i haven't tried google music or lastfm
Duffer1: ya lol
Duffer1: damn itunes
Duffer1: pandora is shutdown in the uk?
ThickAsThieves: i accidentally went to pandora via a EU VPN and was like uhhh wtf
punkman1: I don't think it works in the UK, not sure
ThickAsThieves: virtual art ownership? meh
punkman1: their logo is too pixelated for me to trust them
ThickAsThieves: the site is somewhat ghetto
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1448 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: Duffer1 I like the haikus
Duffer1: ^.^
Duffer1: i'm surprised how easy it was to rhyme Popescu
ThickAsThieves: The latest Snowden-related revelation is that Britain’s Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) proactively targeted the communications infrastructure used by the online activist collective known as Anonymous.
ThickAsThieves: Specifically, they implemented distributed denial of service (DDoS) attacks on the internet relay chat (IRC) rooms used by Anonymous. They also implanted malware to out the personal identity details of specific participants.
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ThickAsThieves: friggin Brits and their netsplits
Duffer1: i'm curious how they delivered the malware
ThickAsThieves: they probably had more than one option at their disposal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56989699 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56989799 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
mircea_popescu: bettyclamp
mircea_popescu: whoa. so i go to call up benkay who ofcourse isn't on, and i hit on bettyclamp ? who are ye!
ThickAsThieves: Former Minnesota governor and pro wrestler Jesse Ventura is currently on the press circuit around the launch of his talk show Off the Grid, but only from an undisclosed location in Mexico, safe from the prying camera-eyes of drones. "I'm off the grid," he said in an interview with CNBC yesterday. "I move about with my TV show so that the drones can't find me, and that you won't know
ThickAsThieves: exactly where I am as long as we have solar power and we can reach the satellite."
ThickAsThieves: only in Americo
mircea_popescu: but if he reaches the satellite i know where he is
ThickAsThieves: also, what fuck does anyone give where he is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1448 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: well that too.
mircea_popescu: but i mean what the fuck is with these people, it's quite plain to explain that talking to a satellite is like yelling really really loudly.
ThickAsThieves: well we're criticizing the wrong problem
mircea_popescu: he imagines that "as long as i got my coffee and can yell to the wifey for sandwiches the kids don;t know where in the house i am to come asking for money" ?
ThickAsThieves: i dont think he believes what he is saying
mircea_popescu: then what's he sayin' it for.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1448 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: no he's saying it for the people that do worry about that shit
ThickAsThieves: for their votes
punkman1: he gets paid to say that shit
ThickAsThieves: or whatever
mircea_popescu: yes, but here's the problem :
mircea_popescu: he could say something intelligent that'd work just as well
mircea_popescu: bar that, he could say something unstupid that worked just as well
ThickAsThieves: if he werent pandering to anti-intellectuals maybe
mircea_popescu: his choice to say something retarded i HIS
ThickAsThieves: well as a "pro" wrestler, it's surprising he'd compromise his integrity for attention
mircea_popescu: ya definitely.
ThickAsThieves: you see the google news?
ThickAsThieves: your google will suck now
mircea_popescu: nah i've not looked outdoors yet.
mircea_popescu: that, incidentally, would be one of the cool things to do :
mircea_popescu: a bitcoin google. you can advertise on it on the bitbet model and fu govts.
ThickAsThieves: put more search in your search bro!
mircea_popescu: it indexes anything, gl.
ThickAsThieves: well there was my custom filter idea
mircea_popescu: filter schmilter. have a spider farm
ThickAsThieves: not sure bitcoindecentralizable
mircea_popescu: have an actual coin whose pow is related to spidering websites
ThickAsThieves: sucks to not have a legion of competent programmers at our disposal to explore every whim
Apocalyptic: i don't believe that's pow-able
mircea_popescu: sucks to onyl have a legion.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic whyssat ?
mircea_popescu: we need over 9000 legions
punkman1: spidering is the easy part, indexing and answering queries fast is the problem
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mircea_popescu: punkman1 this is true.
mircea_popescu: the thing is, one of the fundamental business strategy mistakes google fell into is
mircea_popescu: that it picked "fast" rather than "correctly"
punkman1: like I wanted to put commoncrawl data on AWS and run my own queries, but fuck it if it's gonna cost me $20 per query
mircea_popescu: you'd rather have 5 second waits for excellent search pages than the current search pages in .5 seconds
ThickAsThieves: works well enough for most i guess
mircea_popescu: they didn't start this way, back when larry and serghey, but over the course of "business" various moles slowly optimized towards it
punkman1: not enough seconds for everyone
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves only because they don't know what they're missing.
punkman1: my biggest gripe is that exact search is no longer very exact
ThickAsThieves: indeed, my wife is actually the one who reminds me of this
mircea_popescu: for instance.
ThickAsThieves: she thinks google is too creepy and will create a small paradigm
mircea_popescu: it has already
mircea_popescu: all the fuckwitted jimothies out there are the results of the kitsch-wisdom created by google and wikipedia.
ThickAsThieves: in and of itself maybe
ThickAsThieves: but i dont get all my info from google
punkman1: Google is like the central planning office of the internet
mircea_popescu: YOU don't.
mircea_popescu: a good chunk of the people listening to jesse james or w/e the mn govt's name was do however.
mircea_popescu: and the rest they get either from people who got all their info from google and failed to understand it
mircea_popescu: or from various panderers who are too stupid to pander intelligently or at least unstupidly
ThickAsThieves: yeah the same people that go "if this surch is so great, who so slowz!"
mircea_popescu: and there it is, a full meal.
ThickAsThieves: why so slowz*
mircea_popescu: speal better!
ThickAsThieves: sometimes my brain has no idea what my fingers are doing
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ThickAsThieves: dogebrain
ThickAsThieves: facemaking practice?
mircea_popescu: mebbe it's just cause she looks familiar.
chipug: that paper towel thing was fucking great way to wake up, thanks lol
chipug: Duffer1: the 'ipo kid' gif from mircea
chipug: genius
mircea_popescu: i shoulda had a painting LIKE THAT comissioned.
Duffer1: ah the internets, restart comp, meanwhile the world changes
ThickAsThieves: is the painting happening?
mircea_popescu: i should think so
mircea_popescu: or if not there shall be CONSEQUENCES
mircea_popescu: on the internet
chipug: bahaha how unlucky! i bring you a gif in return
mircea_popescu: lol retards
ThickAsThieves: i can't even read the Neo thread anymore without using the PR account, I have so many people ignored
ThickAsThieves: it's probly 2 people
Duffer1: "Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 28s.@DogecoinCharity Nobody has created more BTC millionaires than @KeiserReport I hope you weren't left behind."
chipug: o.o
mircea_popescu: he always loves being reminded i'm still wearing his anal ring.
PiratByran: Hey, can someone do me a favor?
chipug: lol just how often do you get asked if it's you on the horse mircea_popescu?!
nubbins`: ah, the pirate bureau
mircea_popescu: funny how this shit works, too, after april he took a six months break
mircea_popescu: now he's back making the same claims
mircea_popescu: PiratByran shoot
PiratByran: Well, I was going to purchase something for my friends birthday using bitcoin.
Duffer1: i'll stay out of that one MP :P
mircea_popescu: chipug it is. not too often, more often mpoe-pr gets asked if she's a guy.
ThickAsThieves: i took care of it
PiratByran: And because of various circumstances, I had to use a convoluted method of buying bitcoins.
ozbot: Twitter / maxkeiser: .@DogecoinCharity Nobody has ...
chipug: why will no one believe we're not lying about being girls?
nubbins`: PiratByran, many methods of buying bitcoins are convoluted
PiratByran: Doing my math wrong with fees, I came up 51 U.S. cents (.0006 btc) short.
mircea_popescu: chipug have you seen mpoe-pr ?
nubbins`: chipug: because most people are lying about it
PiratByran: I am a beggar. I will not pretend to be above that right now :P. I fucked up, and it would be very helpful for someone to donate 51 cents to me.
nubbins`: PiratByran: if you're asking for a handout, PFO
PiratByran: pfo? unfamiliar
nubbins`: ;;ud pfo
gribble: | PFO. A rejection letter received after an unsuccessful job interview. Also applicable for any polite-but-final rejection. Origin: An acronym of "Please F--k Off ".
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: pfo
chipug: i've seen her dp on btctalk, she's a bonny lassy, she mustve gotten same hassle, why i took pic off
mircea_popescu: dude, i'm not giving you whatever dust because that'll result in a bunch of other idiots trying to do the same.
PiratByran: okay, no love here. sorry for the bother
nubbins`: love != charity
PiratByran: yeah, Ive been to third world contries I know that argument haha, its cool makes sense
PiratByran: just sucks having to wait quite some time for 51 cents :(
nubbins`: i love my wife, doesn't mean i give her a nickel every time she does math wrong
mircea_popescu: it's a fact, after openbsd we kept getting dudes with stuff
mircea_popescu: my twitter is fulla it etc.
chipug: 51 cents?! wtf im like 2 months behind on rent and won't beg.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, this is why people don't give
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i hope you give her a welt.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, a kiss ;(
Duffer1: ya there was also a noticeable uptick in #bitcoin-assets participation after that as well MP
mircea_popescu: "vanilla" he said derrisively.
nubbins`: hahaha
nubbins`: if only you knew
mircea_popescu: no, it's ok
ThickAsThieves: yeah the openbsd donation did bring some nice new blood
nubbins`: wasn't an offer to share ;)
chipug: i take it 51 cents are also not worth waiting for
nubbins`: well if he'd thought ahead, he would have bought a bit extra.
nubbins`: "whoops, the exchange rate changed slightly"
mircea_popescu: o wait that derpage was on twitter ?
mircea_popescu: ooookay, let's play.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` tbh, it's shitty implementation on the pp's part
chetty: 9 killed as firefighters battle a blaze that destroyed Argentine banking archives
deadweasel: burn them all! (archives)
chetty: looks like a good start on that deadweasel
Duffer1: this will end well
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: And since we're talking of ...
mircea_popescu: if anyone cares to rt, i'm sure it'll do a lot for an old man's happiness.
mircea_popescu: chetty whoa.
Duffer1: man i just watched fight club last night
Duffer1: maybe some argentinians saw it too :P
ozbot: Twitter / TheRealAltcoin: @maxkeiser No. Altcoin is. ...
ThickAsThieves: also i retweeted for you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00307997 = 0.308 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Glyn Jones @onlinementor3 · 1m
mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu Hi Mircea these Four Free eBooks will really help you achieve success
mircea_popescu: no srsly.
mircea_popescu: of the whole 1bn people online i was chosen as the one who needs a little help on the topic.
ThickAsThieves: stop searching "Who is the fairest mentor of them all" then
mircea_popescu: whoa. seems i accidentally found a way to get past twitter's 140 character limit
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: And since we're talking of ...
ThickAsThieves: nice, now just make a and do it as a service
mircea_popescu: ya srsly.
mircea_popescu: then get VCs to finance me and spend the rest of my life eating airline food and conference rubber ducks
mircea_popescu: logo could be one of those mechanical vaginal pears they had cca 1600
ThickAsThieves: moretwitterinyourtwitter.bro
ThickAsThieves: twitter has no spam reporting?
ThickAsThieves: nevermind
ThickAsThieves: had to log in
deadweasel: i'm soryr, can I get a link on "mechanical vaginal pears circa 1660"? i'm at work.
mircea_popescu: end spike optional
ThickAsThieves: i assumed a sppeculum
mircea_popescu: (that's really for uteral forced expansion, which is way more painful)_
ThickAsThieves: then slogan can be
deadweasel: omg, so glad I don't have a uterus
Duffer1: wow the engraving, they put a lot of effort and care into that
ThickAsThieves: Be an Asshole and put more Dick in your Tweeter
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 the artist wasn't paid so well, but he took solace in the notion his handywork will be embossed on generations of boxes.
mircea_popescu: you know, sort-of like the hiring pitch for webdevs today
ThickAsThieves: "think of all the customer it will bring you"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00306 = 0.1989 BTC [-]
deadweasel: lovely, next time i need my anus dilated, I'll pick up a set.
mircea_popescu: s not what those are.
ThickAsThieves: penis enlargers!
mircea_popescu: vanilla weasel never saw urethral sounds.
deadweasel: oh shit.
mircea_popescu: (ps, one of the early uses of electricity...)
ThickAsThieves: today an amazing thing happened to me
deadweasel: well, i could get into that..
ThickAsThieves: a forum poster criticized my post, I retorted, and he conceded
mircea_popescu: you have stepped in an alternate reality
deadweasel: you must be on the wrong forum
ozbot: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It
mircea_popescu: check who controls the vertical and the horizontal.
mircea_popescu: aaahahahaha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform < is this sodium ?
deadweasel: that front middle kitty is veryapprehensive. middle middle kitty gives no fucks.
punkman1: looks like tin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.66666485 BTC to 695 shares, 95923 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: tin doesn't fragment oxidizing does it ?
mircea_popescu: it just gets a cover, like aluminum
ThickAsThieves: i have no idea what i'm talking about
mircea_popescu: that's not metallic
mircea_popescu: this is definitely metallic
chetty: sugar
mircea_popescu: nah, i think it's an elementary substance
ThickAsThieves: aluminum
kakobreklaa: read dood.
kakobreklaa: blah power out again. bbl
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.1448 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.119 = 0.357 BTC [+]
punkman1: mircea_popescu: yeah that's it,
mircea_popescu: a wow wd.
punkman1: "time lapse video of sample maintained at -40 C. 20 shots per hour."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 799 @ 0.00012794 = 0.1022 BTC [+] {4}
punkman1: mircea_popescu: will the Cardano be lead-free or anything?
mircea_popescu: i know it'll be gold plated, but i doubt it'll be lead free
mircea_popescu: we're capitalists not environmentalists over here
asciilifeform: i've always thought of my gear puller as 'the pear'
Duffer1: pff it's not green? /dealbreaker
punkman1: wouldn't want any tin whiskers
mircea_popescu: it's not green its golden.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform srsly, all that molten solder you've been breathing / spreading aroud the kitchen
mircea_popescu: it has lead and arsenic in it rite ?
punkman1: the smoke is just flux though
mircea_popescu: so you tihnk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 468 @ 0.00083998 = 0.3931 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12113333 = 0.3634 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.129 = 0.903 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55110013 = 1.1022 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.00551447 = 0.4522 BTC [-] {6}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Sn / Bi alloy.
mircea_popescu: aww. and i thought the units could double as art!
asciilifeform: melting point 138C.
asciilifeform: PCB is lead-free, ICs aren't.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.550002 = 2.75 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.13 = 0.52 BTC [+]
punkman1: hmm so tin whiskers do indeed have to do with this "tin pest" reaction
mircea_popescu: kinda hard to make semiconductors lead free.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.12400001 = 0.248 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Tin Whiskers Are Real and Complex - Tutorial - Maxim
the20year1: RentalStarter will be live for purchase on havelock Friday
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.135 = 0.27 BTC [+]
Duffer1: grats man
the20year1: I'm happy
nubbins`: i'm happy too
nubbins`: my beautiful copy of the codex seraphinianus arrived today
nubbins`: it even quelled my rage at this client we're dealing with
nubbins`: who would rather fly 6.25% organic cotton tank tops in from the exact opposite end of the north american continent
nubbins`: than use non-organic tanks from the next province over
nubbins`: because organic
nubbins`: "is this logo good enough quality?" 28kb png
nubbins`: wait, no, the rage is back
the20year1: 6.25% organic cotton because....?
asciilifeform: british crown ddos of irc!
nubbins`: because organic
nubbins`: because she runs a yoga studio
mircea_popescu: and this is where we quote to you
nubbins`: and because most people, given the choice between BEING "eco-friendly" and APPEARING "eco-friendly", will choose the latter
mircea_popescu: "punkman1> he gets paid to say that shit"
nubbins`: seriously, i could sew a one-inch strip of organic cotton onto the bottom of a regular tank top for the same effect.
ThickAsThieves: all wasted sewing power though
mircea_popescu: actually this is an engineering task.
mircea_popescu: do you know the per-km-pound impact of transporting vs the per pound impact of manufacturing nongreen ?
mircea_popescu: it may actually be the case she's right.
asciilifeform: enviro-whinerism: expensive, shoddy, deadly.
chipug: gshq?!
punkman1: so it only contains 6.25% organic cotton?
nubbins`: 6.25% organic cotton and 6.25% recycled polyester
nubbins`: the rest is just regular cotton/poly
ThickAsThieves: yeah cuz wholly organic would ruin yoga tudios profit margin
nubbins`: oh, did i mention these are OVER DOUBLE THE COST, too?
punkman1: why even mix the two?
nubbins`: punkman1: for some reason, you can't buy 100% organic cotton tank tops.
nubbins`: i'm not sure why
ThickAsThieves: maybe cuz they shrink too much
nubbins`: cotton's cotton, it's usually pre-shrunk anyway
ThickAsThieves: so they say
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: still shrinks 3-5%
nubbins`: regardless
nubbins`: i can buy a 100% cotton tee
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nubbins`: but not a tank
nubbins`: seriously, $6 for non-organic cotton and $15 for 6.25% organic
chipug: honestly, fuck going outside. think i'll give that a miss from now on
ThickAsThieves: incidentally i did few t-shirt orders for clients, but the last one was a yoga studio
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nubbins`: tat, fucking fake hippies
ThickAsThieves: same issues
nubbins`: i'm surprised they didn't ask for bamboo tanks
ThickAsThieves: except they only wanted 10 at a time
ThickAsThieves: cuz they are poor
nubbins`: (which, incidentally, is eco-unfriendly
mircea_popescu: nubbins` clearly the tee but not tank is a conspiraci of the feminist dykes to make life difficult for the sluts.
nubbins`: did they realize that 10 at a time was the least cost-effective method?
mircea_popescu: no other explanation.
the20year1: how many eco types buy priuses?
nubbins`: none because they can't afford one
the20year1: i see em all the time locally
ThickAsThieves: my wife has one
nubbins`: i've never seen one
nubbins`: ever
ThickAsThieves: and is part of a green nonprofit
mircea_popescu: tank vs tee
the20year1: i see them all the time, with gore/lieberman stickers on them
nubbins`: funny story, our first hooters is opening up this year
asciilifeform: three or four on this street, some with the familiar green DOD stickers
the20year1: And when I ask them what they think about the amount of pollutants created to make the NiMh for the battery, they look like a deer in headlights
ThickAsThieves: my wife's only has cat stickers
ThickAsThieves: i did it as a joke
ThickAsThieves: cuz we have 6 cats
nubbins`: i want to get a set of those stick-man family stickers for back windows
ThickAsThieves: so we have the bumper sticker family thing
nubbins`: but instead of me, pascale, and a cat
ThickAsThieves: Man, woman, six cats, in a row
nubbins`: i want like 30 girls surrounding a single cat
nubbins`: toothy grins and claw hands
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ThickAsThieves: probly 1 man surrounded by 2 women would be funny enough
the20year1: how about 1 man and 5 women?
ozbot: xkcd: Family Decals
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ThickAsThieves: well, no, but yes
mircea_popescu: mp "did you mean X ?" person "well, no, but yes".
mircea_popescu: i should wear a button with that.
ThickAsThieves: pretty much the state of current worldwide communication
pankkake: pLambert: people think I'm a horrible person when I state money as my number one reason to not have children. but… it's true
Duffer1: haha
pLambert: pankkake: funny, rich people view children as a liability, poor people view children as an asset
nubbins`: "maybe this will work"
nubbins`: "maybe if i take an extremely long rigid beam and swing it around my head, the far end will exceed the speed of light"
nubbins`: pLambert: "manufactured happiness" :D
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pLambert: maybe we could get a perpetual motion machine to apply torque to accelerate the beam?
ozbot: Dan Gilbert: The surprising science of happiness | Video on
mircea_popescu: pLambert the view happens to be correct. the per-capita investment for poor man's children to replace poor man is negative. the per capita investment for rich man's children to replace rich man is enormous, and exponential.
mircea_popescu: this not even taking into account the big problem, which is, the required minimal capacity of the child to absorb investment
pLambert: could I, as a person in a rich society, just choose to spend little on my children and expect them to contribute?
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mircea_popescu: but from a game theoretic perspective, consider you've rolled an 3 point average character in a 1-20 stats game.
mircea_popescu: do you reroll or try to level ?
mircea_popescu: compare with rolling a pure 20 stat char. do you EVER re-roll that ?
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antephialtic: sounds very Rawlsian. Pick the game you want to play based on the odds before you roll
mircea_popescu: you personally can do anything you please, and so can anyone else. but on aggregate people will play the game correctly.
benkay`: babe, on getting a new credit card: "why is this so commmplicated"
benkay`: me: "because its not bitcoing"
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ozbot: xkcd: Protocol
nubbins`: lelelel
benkay`: business partner on discovering our banking partners wants 5 dollars for every physical check: "why is this so stupid? why do banks suck so much?"
nubbins`: i should try this soon
benkay`: me: "because its not bitcoin"
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nubbins`: friend, paying for an item with cash at the store: "why is this so easy?"
nubbins`: me: "because it's not bitcoin"
ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu Bitcoin Magazine has put out a bat signal for you:
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves as usual, they do not know what the words they're saying mean.
nubbins`: pascale just referred to the part of the toilet where all the lid hinges are as "the choda"
pankkake: paying cash is hard for me, I can't do mental calculus
mircea_popescu: pankkake just hand over bills and watch the op's eyes
mircea_popescu: poker change protocol.
pankkake: I usually don't care
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: eyes widen: "where's my change"
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pankkake: if they think scamming me is worth me not coming if I discover it… so be it
mircea_popescu: i never actually bother doing the math untill i see they're cheating me
nubbins`: eyes narrow: "sorry, here's some more"
mircea_popescu: i've like a 98% success rate so far.
nubbins`: i watched a friend overpay for an item by ~$45 in colombia because he mixed up "five" and "fifty"
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nubbins`: "that vendor was really friendly"
ThickAsThieves: "Mortgage Rates Hit Three-Month Low"
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ThickAsThieves: maybe theyll start paying us to buy houses
pankkake: I like that john law article!
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pankkake: she looks like dr greg
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mircea_popescu: what's a dr greg
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nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: i remember dr greg
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: i was reading an article the other day saying that rates here in canada will start rising this year or next
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nubbins`: all a bit of a beat-off
mircea_popescu: rates everywhere will start to raise next year since 2008.
ThickAsThieves: as i see it here, housing is fucked for along time
mircea_popescu: problem is... no. canada economy can't support rates over 5% , and won't. possibly ever in the history of canada.
ThickAsThieves: in FL there are so many half-finished neighborhood developments
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ThickAsThieves: once things pick up theyll finish them, keeping the market down
Dimsler__: oh yeah right
Dimsler__: they'll finish
Dimsler__: half of the suburbs in america are going to become farms
Dimsler__: just like they did in detroit
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Dimsler__: suburbia is completely unnatural city management and planning
mircea_popescu: why ? they can plant gardens
Dimsler__: it was a concept devised by the anglo-saxon to push the catholic and jew out of the city cores in the early 1900s
mircea_popescu: minimal changes can turn us suburbia into what europe is like.
Dimsler__: because they were losing voting power
Dimsler__: no they can't
mircea_popescu: specifically ?
ThickAsThieves: not so bad when every 'hood is right off the highway
Dimsler__: thats complete horseshit
Dimsler__: man have you ever been to america?
ThickAsThieves: here we go!
mircea_popescu: yes, i lived there. have you ?
Dimsler__: and i also lived in europe
mircea_popescu: cool. so then. specifically ?
Dimsler__: the population density makes it improbable
Dimsler__: in a north american city most peopel live 20km+ from the downtown center
mircea_popescu: i thought we were discussing the infrastructure not the population.
Dimsler__: of a single city
mircea_popescu: in europe most people live 20km+ from the downtowncenter too.
Dimsler__: while in europ 15km IS another city
Dimsler__: oh yeah where?
Dimsler__: because I've been everywhere
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mircea_popescu: well see., the fact that they call it "another city" is irrelevant
Dimsler__: from paris to kiev to bucharest
mircea_popescu: you can call about 45 "othercities" in greater boston area
Dimsler__: the population displacement is massive
nubbins`: amalgamation
nubbins`: toronto used to be what, five cities?
nubbins`: then they all bled together
nubbins`: same with ottawa
nubbins`: same with vancouver
mircea_popescu: in fact, la is > size of slovenia. to the point i was making jokes about the TOWN of slovenia.
nubbins`: same with montreal
Dimsler__: toronto in the 1900s had a sign up in the core saying they didn't sell realestate to jews or fags
nubbins`: happening right now with edmonton, calgary
Dimsler__: so they where forced into urban sprawl
Dimsler__: the problem with that is it creates inefficiencies in infrastructure
mircea_popescu: i think your particular preoccupation with a political slant makes the discussion intractable to you.
Dimsler__: where an individal cannot move around without consume a fuck load of natural resources
mircea_popescu: forget the jewz bs.
pLambert: Where I live, a small town in the US, everybody lives within about 3 km of the downtown
Dimsler__: sure i don't believe in nation states
Dimsler__: assume every little suburb became its own little city
Dimsler__: how will they sustain there life?
Dimsler__: there is no manufacturing, jobs are a 50-60km commute away
mircea_popescu: pLambert we're not even talking about flyover us, cause obviously that doesn't exist for the op :D
Dimsler__: who the fuck is funding the fuel here?
mircea_popescu: Dimsler__ you heard on the internet ?
Dimsler__: north america was built on cheap gasoline
mircea_popescu: i have teams working for me totalling well over 100 people
Dimsler__: the internet? wtf are you talking about
mircea_popescu: and srsly, i'd be surprised if the average distance between pairs is under 3k miles
Dimsler__: the internet is a den of theives pornographers and fraudsters
Dimsler__: there is no "money" to be made on the internet
Dimsler__: for the average joe
mircea_popescu: ok i guess this has gone to its logical conclusion.
nubbins`: the average joe is a bum
Dimsler__: the logical conclusion is going to be an exodus from suburbia
nubbins`: the average joe works minimum wage
Dimsler__: back into the cities
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mircea_popescu: not happening.
Dimsler__: average white man US population is 44
nubbins`: happening some places
nubbins`: south korea, for example
mircea_popescu: the suburbia is getting (for a minimal cost) refurbished and that's that.
mircea_popescu: your joe can starve, nobody cares.
Dimsler__: the next place for older americans is next to a funeral home or a cemetary
Dimsler__: the average joe isn't going to just starve
pLambert: my parents live in suburban Detroit, I have noticed the area around them is becoming denser, over time the US cities will change to be more like small cities instead of one giant city
Dimsler__: hes goign to cause a shit storm
nubbins`: me: "what was the interest rate on your mortgage?"
Dimsler__: pLambert, oh yeah? with what manufacturing?
nubbins`: dad: "7.25% locked in for 35 years. a real bargain at the time, as rates soared to 18% at one point"
mircea_popescu: Dimsler__ poor people without resources or abilities do not cause shit storms.
Dimsler__: and with what population growth?
livermore34: no more exchange shutdowns
livermore34: or exchange scams
nubbins`: imagine, 18% interest on a mortgage
pLambert: what about manufacturing? Detroit has factories spread throughout all the suburbs
Dimsler__: nubbins`, thats nothing new
mircea_popescu: livermore34 you've not really done your reading re that shitfest.
Dimsler__: thats 1990s america
Dimsler__: 1988-1990 had mortgages rates up to 16%
nubbins`: imagine
Dimsler__: mircea_popescu, man reference yourself hurricane katrina
Dimsler__: a little storm
Dimsler__: and even the national guard couldn't stop looting niggers
nubbins`: "even" the national guard, hey?
mircea_popescu: seriously, you got some stuff going on that's preventing you from thinking.
nubbins`: "even a bunch of bums who train one weekend a month couldn't keep an entire city under control"
nubbins`: shocking
Dimsler__: mircea_popescu, you have no idea bout how evil and arrogant the anglo-saxon actually is
mircea_popescu: on the right, national guard.
mircea_popescu: Dimsler__ probably because i'm even more evil and arrogant.
nubbins`: "the anglo-saxon"
nubbins`: "the jew"
nubbins`: "the nigger"
Dimsler__: well these are actual terms
ThickAsThieves: wow i go make some tea and come back some prime idiocy
nubbins`: "the dimsler"
punkman1: I propose "the dimsler"
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asciilifeform: saxons.txt
nubbins`: ^ hahahahah
punkman1: you got me nubbins
nubbins`: i'm quick
mircea_popescu: if a saxophone is an instrument,
mircea_popescu: what's a niggophone ?
nubbins`: and i have like ZERO LAG
Dimsler__: well what
ThickAsThieves: there's no money to be mad eon the internet guys, go home
Dimsler__: its a pure fact
Dimsler__: usury is caused by the jew
mircea_popescu: it's a puree of facts.
Dimsler__: compounded interest and usury cannot exist in a economic money system
mircea_popescu: is this tibby ?
nubbins`: this is all rich
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nubbins`: you people are fucked
ThickAsThieves: tibby wouldnt lurk this long til now
Dimsler__: yeah you're all fucking genious'
Dimsler__: people are going to get internet jobs
Dimsler__: and live in some suburbian utopia
Dimsler__: thats a great idea
punkman1: yeah clicking ads for satoshis all day
Dimsler__: and have little farms in there backyard
nubbins`: sounds nice so far
nubbins`: does it have to be in america tho? that place sucks
nubbins`: too many destitute and crazy people
ThickAsThieves: how hard is it to move to Canada?
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pLambert: maybe the US would be better if we got rid of the FedGov?
nubbins`: easy as fuck
nubbins`: you can drive here from there
Dimsler__: all anglo countries blow
Dimsler__: you move to them you're going to get fucked up
Dimsler__: plain and simple
ThickAsThieves: but to be a citizen and live there
nubbins`: so where's your eden, Dimsler__ ?
Dimsler__: sealand
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: get a job and we'll let you stay here
ThickAsThieves: can i make my own job?
nubbins`: sure
nubbins`: i guess
ThickAsThieves: i dont like bosses
nubbins`: nobody does
nubbins`: i've got a mexican roommate who just got her work visa a while ago
nubbins`: you may need to be sponsored by an employer to get settled, not sure of the ins and outs
asciilifeform: if i recall you can buy canadian citizenship for $50k
nubbins`: but canada welcomes immigrants with open arms
Dimsler__: you'd be completely retarded
Dimsler__: to spend 50k
ThickAsThieves: I'll come apprentice for Pink Eye
Dimsler__: on a candian citizenship
nubbins`: sounds great, can't pay ya tho
ThickAsThieves: i can make logos, what more do you need
ThickAsThieves: we can put them on the internet
mircea_popescu: so i was just on the phone with this jewish chick i know, and she admitted that in israel the oreos are made out of dead anglosaxon babies.
nubbins`: the back deck needs shovelling
mircea_popescu: seems we;ve been wrong all along
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, same thing in canada
nubbins`: and our cadbury chocolate is made from real jersey cow milk
asciilifeform: the crunchy part is made from angles, the inner cream, distilled from saxons.
ThickAsThieves: i could pay the mexican to shovel it for you
nubbins`: i tell ya, it's the promised land
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, she already has a job ;(
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hahaha
Dimsler__: well the jew takes advantage of the gentile
ThickAsThieves: jewlitan
Dimsler__: with his shylock
Dimsler__: has been like that for centuries
nubbins`: bitcoin removes the need for usury anyway
Dimsler__: well thats why i'm here
mircea_popescu: nubbins`> you may need to be sponsored by an employer to get settled, not sure of the ins and outs << drive over, hire a lawyer to start a companby, have the company hire you.
mircea_popescu: problem solved.
nubbins`: oh, i thought you were here to babble nonsense
Dimsler__: you can't breed bitcoins
Dimsler__: like you can with fractional reserve currency
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: nod, would probably work
Dimsler__: so you can't lend them for profit
Dimsler__: usury is self eliminating in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: people lend btc for profit all the time what are you talkin'; about.
Dimsler__: you can't breed bitcoin
nubbins`: you can't breed Dimsler__
Dimsler__: its not possible to compound interest on bitcoins
punkman1: you can definitely breed dimslers
Dimsler__: or create usury contracts
Dimsler__: they will eventually lead to defaults
Dimsler__: due to bitcoins deflationary nature
ThickAsThieves: Dimsler is more likely to breed than most of us
ThickAsThieves: stats say
nubbins`: hahahah
asciilifeform: on the other hand, if you can afford this maneuver in canada, you can afford it in a real country.
ThickAsThieves: which is realest?
punkman1: Sealand
Dimsler__: when default occur people will be more cautious about lending
Dimsler__: its plain and simple
nubbins`: one with its own sovereign? ;p
Dimsler__: it just isn't going to happen
Dimsler__: especially not on a massive instrituionalized scale like we have now
mircea_popescu: nubbins` romania is not a bad one, for as long as that lasts.
nubbins`: phun phact, ugly betty is the ruler of our fair land
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Dimsler__: romania has us extradition
Dimsler__: so it already sucks
mircea_popescu: you kinda need to pick some criteria and stick to them
nubbins`: it's like you're being willfully obtuse
Dimsler__: i told you
Dimsler__: no US extradition or OECD compliance
Dimsler__: only countries worth living in
mircea_popescu: that makes a real country ?
mircea_popescu: so go live in columbia, what.
Dimsler__: that makes a free country
asciilifeform: russia. france.
nubbins`: colombia sucks to live in
mircea_popescu: france is a real country now. god help us.
asciilifeform: by his definition
nubbins`: yeah, russia
nubbins`: there ya go
mircea_popescu: im curious what his polonium defense is for free living in russia.
nubbins`: you'll fit right in
Dimsler__: russia is great to live in
Dimsler__: whats the problem?
mircea_popescu: "sure, makea few billions and start buying english football clubs so maybe the kremlin won't off you"
nubbins`: "russia is great to live in"
Dimsler__: like even your boiler room
mircea_popescu: what's that blondy jounralistn's name again ?
Dimsler__: in romania you could be extradited straight to the US
Dimsler__: by some random entity
Dimsler__: vs in russia
Dimsler__: where nobody gives a fuck
ThickAsThieves: Anne Coulter?
mircea_popescu: wait wait. were we talking about me or about you ?
mircea_popescu: or do you just presume we're interchangeable because irc nicks
nubbins`: ann coulter lel
mircea_popescu: lipishinkaya or something
asciilifeform: politkovskaya
mircea_popescu: Anna Politkovskaya
asciilifeform: plugged for good cause, as far as i can see
Dimsler__: how?
mircea_popescu: good cause or no good cause...
asciilifeform: like that chinese idiot
mircea_popescu: and since we're doing this,
Dimsler__: who cares about a bunch of muslim rats
mircea_popescu: ;;google Alexander Litvinenko
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Dimsler__: they invaded europe
asciilifeform: who wrote about how his country needs 300 years of european colonization to become 'civilized'
Dimsler__: and fucked it up
Dimsler__: the weak nordic and geraminc
Dimsler__: let th emuslim rat in
asciilifeform: (won't hear of this in the anglo media, though)
Dimsler__: and he shit all over the place
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well it;s a fact or do you disagree ?
mircea_popescu: obviously "civilisation" as she means it isn't necessarily a goal
mircea_popescu: but if it were a goal, what else.
asciilifeform: the fact is, this kind of thing doesn't sit well with any ruler
Dimsler__: western europe
Dimsler__: has weak policies
mircea_popescu: certainly.
asciilifeform: chinese, european, aztec, whoever.
Dimsler__: for humanity
Dimsler__: and strict for economics
ThickAsThieves: how bout switzerland?
Dimsler__: thats why they are turning into socialized slums
mircea_popescu: and it'd be a pretty boneheaded thing to do anyway. russia has had enough cultural revolutionary great leaps forward to last it five centuries.
Dimsler__: swtzerland doesn't hand out citizenship
Dimsler__: and has ahigh productivity rate
Dimsler__: like you go to germany and like 1/4 is a filthy fucking turk
Dimsler__: like you can't buy a used car without the odometer rolled back
nubbins`: have to admit, i wonder where dimsler is from and what he looks like
Dimsler__: eastern european, western educated, lived everywhere
Dimsler__: thats aobut all you need to know
pankkake: like the would not bang guy
nubbins`: we covered all i needed to know already
nubbins`: that was just for curiosity
nubbins`: pankkake, +1 :(
nubbins`: he seems to be a wizard
Dimsler__: fact is, any country with liberal moral values and strict financials where usury is rampant
Dimsler__: is going to suck
Dimsler__: and the people are going to be clueless and retarded
Dimsler__: with a bad case of stockholm syndrome
nubbins`: as opposed to russia where everything is great
nubbins`: and all are smart
Dimsler__: lol russia is not a fucking utopia
nubbins`: wait, i thought it was at the top of your list?
asciilifeform: last i checked, usury is in perfect health in russia.
Dimsler__: did i fucking name a country?
nubbins`: try to keep up
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pLambert: What about Somalia, I thought they were supposed to be Utopia?
nubbins`: you can't even keep track of all the things you're mad at, can you?
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nubbins`: pLambert: loose financials, conservative values
nubbins`: no extradition to USA
nubbins`: no OECD compliance
nubbins`: by dimmy's criteria, somalia is the promised land
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1212 @ 0.00084009 = 1.0182 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: hell, there are hardly even any anglos or jews there!
pLambert: but there might be too many Muslims, I think Dimmy said those are bad too?
nubbins`: hmm yes that is true
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5100751 = 2.0403 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: it's cool tho if you just stay inside
pLambert: How about Antacrtica?
nubbins`: no manufacturing
pLambert: is that a criteria now too?
nubbins`: i think it always was
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
pLambert: Just build your own factory?
nubbins`: nah then transport is the problem
nubbins`: too bad you can't make money on the internet
nubbins`: otherwise it'd be perfect
asciilifeform: 'in my country there's a problem, and that problem is transport...'
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
nubbins`: it's almost like dimmy just runs the mouth without making any lucid points
Dimsler__: you guys are seirously stupid
nubbins`: if you're smart, i'm ok with being stupid
mircea_popescu: <pLambert> What about Somalia, I thought they were supposed to be Utopia? <<< they used to be but then kako got snowed in.
asciilifeform: Dimsler__: if you'd like to live in New York circa 1890, you will have to build it. tears have never built anything.
nubbins`: sullen pouty sooky-bum complaining about all he witnesses yet adding nothing of value to anyone or anything
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.00084065 = 0.1261 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you clearly don't understand the internet.
nubbins`: clearly
mircea_popescu: everclearly.
nubbins`: "you guys are seirously stupid" should be on the cover of the -assets book
mircea_popescu: you have no idea what an assets book entails.
mircea_popescu: my logs are > 50mb and i only log when i'm on
nubbins`: do you even read those logs? ;(
nubbins`: choice quotes accompanied by ASCII porn
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00084066 = 0.2522 BTC [+]
nubbins`: it kind of lost steam around the point that we realized there aren't any ASCII artists in here
asciilifeform: emacs, 'artist mode'
nubbins`: too large
nubbins`: gotta create by hand
ozbot: emacs-fu: drawing pictures
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 400 @ 0.00084075 = 0.3363 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i grep tehm
nubbins`: ah, okay
nubbins`: that might actually work
nubbins`: i can't be fucked to draw 50 ascii porn shots tho
mircea_popescu: << this should be on the cover of the assets book
mircea_popescu: representing the noobie de-lurking
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
nubbins`: heh, i like that
KRS-: heh
nubbins`: could even make it a periodical
nubbins`: "-assets quarterly"
nubbins`: -AQ for short
nubbins`: -aQ i guess
KRS-One: Improve your I.Q. with aQ.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00084077 = 0.1682 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: more iq with the aq
mircea_popescu: According to a 2013 report from the Treasury Inspector General’s office, the U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) issued nearly $4 billion in bogus tax refunds in 2012. The money largely was sent to people who stole Social Security numbers and other information on U.S. citizens, and then filed fraudulent tax returns on those individuals claiming a large refund but at a different address.
mircea_popescu: dude the fiat system works so well, i have no idea why all these people talk about bitcoin threats and whatnot
nubbins`: fuck this, i've got work to do!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04777776 = 0.2389 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.08811427 = 0.6168 BTC [+] {5}
pankkake: "difficulty" : 62719.43923596
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: thats Altcoin?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.000825 = 0.2063 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: how much for it?
davout: hello
jurov: hi
jurov: eur => x.eur transfers working already?
davout: you want moar?
jurov: not atm, just curious if you finished it
BingoBoingo: jurov: Twas gratis
davout: yep
jurov: i don't see any interface.. one needs to ask you over email or irc?
davout: yes, it works but it isn't automated
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09979999 = 0.1996 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell herbijudlestoids re the "greater point",
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "other, less meta altcoins" you mean "other, less alt metacoins" or "same, less coin metaalts" ?
mircea_popescu: because it could be taken in any number of ways
BingoBoingo: Because meta
BingoBoingo: Reader has to decide
BingoBoingo: Shit happen when I write sober
Asa9: lol
ozbot: Seinfeld: Conrad, Connie or Con - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 800 @ 0.00301897 = 2.4152 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00532245 = 0.5322 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: wow that point re metaphysics is actually incredibly strong
mircea_popescu: it just gave me one of those inception moments.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what schooling did you do ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Four years of kinds mushed together aimless undergrad mixing drinking, philosophy, economics and math, then two years of philosophy grad school I quit, the two years of Library graduate school with an absofuckinglutely worthless degree, followed by discovering Oh, that bitcoin stuff is money.
BingoBoingo: Undergrad was indescriminate budget small liberal arts college (Socially Liberal Methodist variety). Philosophy was at Southern Illinois University Carbondale.
mircea_popescu: so i gather you're the poster child of the confused generation.
BingoBoingo: Definitely.
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (
mircea_popescu: no, seriously...
mircea_popescu: #bitcoin cures, ladies and gents
mircea_popescu: touch the screen now. heal! HEAL!
mircea_popescu: i think we packed enough meta in there to mine at least a dozen blocks.
ThickAsThieves: did somebody say metaphysics?
ThickAsThieves: BingoBoingo, thanks for the article!
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: You are very welcome.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51997563 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: That one hasn't made it to Slashdot though. Maybe if someone else with a Slashot account submits it there around 07:00 UTC and then post the link to the submission here Altcoin can make Slashdot.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Bitcoin indeed cures.
BingoBoingo: Speaking of Physics, Platos cave, old meme. Descartes Meditations Meme. Maimonides God can only be defined in the negative, meme. Aristotle's powerpoint on the word "is" though still generates papers.
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema
gribble: Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <>; Trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Münchhausen trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>
mircea_popescu: that sweet day when a misspelling takes over a) the correct spelling ; b) wikipedia
asciilifeform: i thought the single 'm' was the Ro. spelling.
mircea_popescu: i think in googleterms "misspelling" is actually less of a stretch than "obscure language word"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51997563 = 1.04 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: In Google Terms loosing Hearn was a tragedy.
BingoBoingo: Hearn was perfect for Google
mircea_popescu: did he actually do anything while there ?
mircea_popescu: the narrative i heard is more along the lines of "oh, yet another one of the schmucks that spend some time here doing nothing to be able to put google on their cv"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Dunno if he did. Just seems the way he is wanting to ruin BTC fall inline with the ways Google wants to ruin TCP
mircea_popescu: i doubt google wants anything anymore per se
mircea_popescu: other than FOOOOODDDD
BingoBoingo: Looks like I missed Dimsler__ but it seems I can recognize his ideal state: West Virginia.
pankkake: you mean brainssss?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: colleague of mine just moved there. now he's getting 100K/sec.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well they also lack suburbs, have manufactering (of prisons), aren't really inside the US (Sentences to the prisons there are practically exile), and the people are awfully friendly if you don't try to get into any of their rackets.
mircea_popescu: pankkake after they get big enough and public enough, no force in the world can keep a corporation alligned to its long term interest.
mircea_popescu: this i suspect is the eventual fate of mpoe too
mircea_popescu: all that remains is a dull ache for more revenue
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So roughly 5 years after you cede the controlling interest, MPOE seats go down to tens of Satoshis?
Duffer1: mpoe bot will be self aware, buy it's freedom
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Maybe it tried that yesterday...
pankkake: it won't be satoshis, it will be doges
asciilifeform: slavecoins.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 183 @ 0.00084077 = 0.1539 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: pankkake: No one will remember Doge then. It will be HerpBuxx. Named after teen singer Derp Heiperp
pankkake: I came up with a new altcoin idea. FuckCoin. so you can give a FUCK
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.102245 = 0.2045 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: I have a cold storage address that starts as 1fuck (all lowercase) and lacking firstbits rights. Barely anything there. Doubt I'll awaken it until Million Dollar BTC (Much happier last chapter to that film than Million Dollar Baby).
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> pankkake: No one will remember Doge then. It will be HerpBuxx. Named after teen singer Derp Heiperp <<
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2166 @ 0.00011653 = 0.2524 BTC [-] {8}
BingoBoingo: I mean there isn't an AllYourBaseCoin or a BoxxyCoin, the reason is that time is unkind to memes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-] {2}
Duffer1: still no substitute for audrey :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04520001 = 0.1808 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: pankkake: With maybe exception for Marie and Indira most on that list can get the ???
BingoBoingo: I mean Di barely made it into the 90's
BingoBoingo: Since I'm not all that anon anyways (Thank you metaNSA) I'll throw out the undergrad school
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 183 @ 0.0008408 = 0.1539 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1353 @ 0.00301 = 4.0725 BTC [-]
pankkake: at least the whites are at the top
dub: I think pankkake is on to something
dub: we beed a way to account for fucks given
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000841 = 0.1682 BTC [+]
dub: a fuckchain secured by proof of fuck is appropriate
BingoBoingo: dub: Fetus sealed in lucite as proof of work?
ThickAsThieves: rumplestiltscoin
pankkake: at least "orphaned block" will mean something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 600 @ 0.00084188 = 0.5051 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 125 @ 0.00084199 = 0.1052 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 375 @ 0.00084199 = 0.3157 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00529952 = 0.3498 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1969 @ 0.00301 = 5.9267 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: "Hrm... what will we call fractions of an ATC? How about "altoshi"?"
ThickAsThieves: "Altoids."
ThickAsThieves: "Paradimes?"
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Xenos
ThickAsThieves: if i could, i'd change the source to not have decimals
benkay: altoids lol
ThickAsThieves: maybe thatll be the next coin
ThickAsThieves: Paradime
ThickAsThieves: no decimals
ThickAsThieves: "the only alternative to Altcoin"
mircea_popescu: altoids lol
mircea_popescu: code has no decimals as it is.
ThickAsThieves: so bitcoin didnt have it when it started?
FabianB: satoshi
FabianB: calculating money should never be done with decimals
ThickAsThieves: who the hell put it in there?
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: BTC values are all ints where 1 satoshi == 1
pankkake: decimals are fine, floats are not :)
deadweasel: metas?
FabianB: yeah
ThickAsThieves: people are nuts if they think people will start talking in ubtc and mbtc and shit
pankkake: the French eventually switched to New Francs
pankkake: of course, it was in the other direction
BingoBoingo: This shit should be like BTC 101, All BTC values are ints built from 1 satoshi == 1. How to configure a miner shouldn't even exist until BTC 320.
ThickAsThieves: so why is it called bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: and not Satoshi
Namworld: Would anyone be interested in loaning me 290 BTC @ 10% per year, with collateral?
ThickAsThieves: doesnt that kinda request come with more info usually?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0998 = 0.1996 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Namworld: Sure. Application consists of a video of you self performing a lung lobectomy and videotaping it. Poor form when applying sutures is grounds for denial.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [-]
Namworld: I'll self-perform a lung lobectomy on YOU and videotape it. (You didn't say on "you performing on yourself" but "you self perform", which means I only have to perform it myself, not on myself)
BingoBoingo: Namworld: And we get back to meta. Isn't Altcoin awesome?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10449 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: sepukkucoin.
davout: !ticker m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 122.22370491 / 105.56529382 / 105.38554991 (1211 shares, 27.25 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
davout: mircea_popescu: shouldn't the oix displayed be divided by the lot size?
davout: for clarity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10449 BTC [+]
FabianB: looks like stable price period will continue
Namworld: Well loaning BTC has definitly gotten impossible.
BingoBoingo: I wonder what GangnamCoin would be trading at today if it was released last year?
ThickAsThieves: that oix doesnt seem right
ThickAsThieves: wheres all the volume from yesterday
davout: it takes only sales into account
ThickAsThieves: doe sthat make sense?
mircea_popescu: davout i guess it should, but this clarity thing...
davout: the bot bought the puts yesterday
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10449 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51997563 = 2.0799 BTC [+]
Namworld: Please inquire, assuming anyone has the capital at all.
davout: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1045 BTC [+]
davout: ThickAsThieves: i guess taking into account purchases by the market maker bot mixes the bot's opinion into the OIX, which doesn't seem to be desired
ThickAsThieves: i dunno about that
ozbot: Twitter / BBoingo: @etploshay @CathyReisenwitz ...
ThickAsThieves: it was the seller that desired to sell
ThickAsThieves: at whatever price
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00093513 = 11.6424 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1095 BTC [+]
ozbot: Twitter / Search - #whoisneo
lippoper: yes! ozbot!
lippoper: .bait me
davout: the jimmothy thread converted to .gif ?
mircea_popescu: << and this'd be everyone ELSE in that thread.
davout: you're making me want to watch videos of these crazy japanese dudes doing irl video fx
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0452 = 0.2712 BTC [-] {2}
davout: fuck, this makes zero sense
davout: yeah, pretty much
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-]
ozbot: NBC: All Visitors to Sochi Olympics Immediately Hacked | The Weekly Standard
mircea_popescu: jurov did you see the one with the pillows ?
jurov: which? hotel pillows?
jurov: perhaps not
davout: jurov: sounds like a headline the onion would make
mircea_popescu: ;;google sochi out of pillows athletes
gribble: Sochi Is Running Out of Pillows - Vocativ: <>; Sochi venues turning into Olympic-style nightmares « Hot Air: <>; From Sochi, journalists report Winter Olympics woes: poor conditions: < (1 more message)
jurov: ah that
mircea_popescu: "They test the system in the report -- and are, as one might expect, immediately hacked the moment the test computer connects with the Russian network."
mircea_popescu: herpderp russian guys are bad says nsa
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00011311 = 0.1131 BTC [-] {4}
deadweasel: oops, "nine media hotels"
deadweasel: how fucking useless
deadweasel: send one media team, them be hacked for free streaming olympics!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20389 @ 0.00093076 = 18.9773 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51997563 = 2.0799 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Test system should try OpenBSD on SPARC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [-]
ozbot: Mt.Gox Withdrawals -
ThickAsThieves: "Update: The charts below have temporarily gone flat. That's not a bug -- I'm still getting fresh data."
ThickAsThieves: "The Mt.Gox IRC support channel tells me this flatness is a result of their hot wallet currently being empty. Most users who try to withdraw now get an "invalid address" error, meaning the withdrawal attempt fails before a transaction is created that can get stuck."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.1937 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.109 = 0.436 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1099 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.51997563 = 2.5999 BTC [+]
jurov: as i said, they were inspired by bitfunder/weexchange
jurov: includein the very error message
jurov: *including
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00518006 = 2.59 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.00518002 = 0.2279 BTC [-]
pLambert: So MtGox is out of money now? Who uses them still?
ThickAsThieves: the guy that sold all those puts
benkay: el oh el
mircea_popescu: pLambert anyone who missed all those warnings since april ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves srsly, if mtgox closes this month those puts will likely hurt.
mircea_popescu: every 80 bux in the price is like a million dollars due to all the magnificent leverage of options.
pLambert: people keep seeing "I can't get my money out of MtGox", but they think the problem is just going to go away and fix itself?
benkay: yes.
ThickAsThieves: mircea maybe we need to send you back to the forum to learn from MPOE-PR
benkay: i am currently hammering this point home in the portland bitcoin channel.
benkay: <benkay> evaluation criteria: management teams, past performance
benkay: <benkay> the gox mgmt team has a history of incompetence
benkay: <benkay> the gox operation as a history of completely fucking it up
benkay: <benkay> has* [14:05]
benkay: <benkay> and also yes, i put a huge risk premium on anything having to do with
benkay: btc. anyone with whom i'm going to put btc on deposit must have a
benkay: completely stellar and unsmirched record.
benkay: <benkay> coins will drift out of wallets operated by people who do not adhere
benkay: to this philosophy.
pLambert: so does mtgox not have any bitcoins, or do they just not have any in their hot wallet?
benkay: question of the day.
BingoBoingo: Is there an Ohio BTC channel? I need to remind them that they live in a bubbling shitpit and their rivers are flamable.
benkay: second question of the day: how long does it take them to move weight into their hot wallet?
BingoBoingo: pLambert: They never had enough. Not since 2010 by my count.
benkay: third question of the day: can they survive a bank run?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51997563 = 2.0799 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves whassat ?
BingoBoingo: benkay: They've already died in fiat bankruns. Dunno how BTC bank runs can make gox more dead.
punkman: when did they start running fractional reserve anyway?
pLambert: bank run? if there is no bitcoin they just stop allowing withdrawals
BingoBoingo: punkman: They went fractional in 2010 after their first hack.
ThickAsThieves: well let's be absurd about it: Current Avg Withdrawal * Current Stuck Transactions = 41662.5btc
mircea_popescu: punkman it's unclear but it was announced in april 2013.
pLambert: and how many millions were seized by the US through dwolla?
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves whassat ? <<< to learn how to hold onto your bitcoins
mircea_popescu: wait what'd i do ?!
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves srsly, if mtgox closes this month those puts will likely hurt.
punkman: guess when they lost millions to Dwolla might have been a good time
mircea_popescu: if mtgox goes to shit puts hurt mpoebot makes dough
mircea_popescu: punkman the dwolla thing sunk tradehill, but mtgox was not seriously affected then.
mircea_popescu: in fact i still suspect the dwolla thing was a backroom deal between the two to strangle competition.
ThickAsThieves: you mean if gox goes to shit by not allowing bitcoin exits, i mean by not allowing fiat exits
davout: mircea_popescu: if mtgox goes down you think btc goes down too?
pLambert: I think the mtgoox has shrunk enough that if they close it will not destroy the exchange rate
mircea_popescu: davout even if it only goes down a little through mtgox being taken out of the basket.
pLambert: and people have been pricing in the expected collapse of mtgox for almost a year now
mircea_popescu: currently they're adding a few %s to the avg.
davout: mircea_popescu: oic
mircea_popescu: pLambert this is more of a nominalist thing than anything. bitcoin's long term prospects w/o mtgox are way better than with it.
ThickAsThieves: I read the $5m were seized from Gox related to silk road
ThickAsThieves: they probly let those dollars get spent on btc
mircea_popescu: in fact, the destruction of the original scumfest (the people gorupped around blf, bitcoinica, mtgox, the foundation) is the best thing that can happen for btc.
mircea_popescu: and well... chip chip.
pLambert: mircea_popescu: if mtgox had suddenly shut down when they had 90% of the market the price would tank, now the price might slip a bit but not much
mircea_popescu: they keep trying comebacks, but they aren't getting anywhere with them. meanwhile they bleed marketshare on good days, and they get taken out wholesale now and again.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Those GOx seizures were pre-TSR bust
punkman: they don't even make the top 5 in volume most days
davout: from the wiki in 2015: "victim of its own success mtgox will went back to trading magic the gathering cards in summer 2014"
ThickAsThieves: but recently revealed more info
ThickAsThieves: i swear i read somewhere that SR was actually part of it
ThickAsThieves: just that it couldnt be announced back then
ThickAsThieves: could also be what fucked up the Coinlab thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1099 = 0.3297 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51997563 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: other than it involving coinlab...
mircea_popescu: lol. right. coinlab needed so much help.
mircea_popescu: << believe it or not, someone still says "information superhighway". not ironically.
ozbot: Petition-LETTER to regulator Ben Lawsky of NY "The World is Watching on Bitcoin"
ThickAsThieves: i suspect Lawsky doesnt need to be sent a letter
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 284354 | Current Difficulty: 2.6214044530646152E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 286271 | Next Difficulty In: 1917 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 9 hours, 51 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2828879503.75 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.91465
mircea_popescu: yeah, probably the head of the boss of whatever mob family paid for his position would work better.
ozbot: New Survey: 79% Of Consumers Would Never Consider Using Alternative Currency Like Bitcoin (NASDAQ:TS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: im sorry i don't have a handy link to the 1905 study asking the population of manchester if they'd ever fly across the atlantic in a plane.
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C095T] 100 @ 0.02383907 = 2.3839 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.10918 = 0.5459 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.11 = 0.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1061 @ 0.001773 = 1.8812 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.11 = 0.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.11 = 0.88 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.09966666 = 0.299 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2070 @ 0.000121 = 0.2505 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.0001205 = 0.3615 BTC [-]
btc-monkey: Damn Gox going down hard
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 930 @ 0.00012 = 0.1116 BTC [-]
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assbot: 123!
ThickAsThieves: i suppose its better to have goxcash than goxcoins
mircea_popescu: one doesn't preclude the other and now you've jinxed it haven't you
mircea_popescu: karpeles will be making wafflecoin this year
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jurov: meanwhile in slovenia, bitstamp goes overboard with doxing
ThickAsThieves: convert all your gox bitcoins to BounceyBallCoins!
jurov: i heard compalints they have very creepy questions
jurov: and want to reverify documents
mircea_popescu: someone should just cut the gordian knot already and do SiPexchange.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: they send you a pen, you film yourself fucking the pen and send the thing over
BingoBoingo: I'm telling you gox could say Gox BTC == 10^8 Gox USD tomorrow, because all is play money
mircea_popescu: you may now trade.
ThickAsThieves: it's gonna be a bloody evening
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: But in December, the New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs issued a subpoena to Rubin, requesting he turn over Tidbit's past and current source code, as well as other documents and agreements with any third parties. It also issued 27 interrogatories -- formal written questions -- requesting additional documents and ordering Rubin to turn over information like the names and identities of all Bitcoin wallet addresses a
mircea_popescu: ssociated with Tidbit, a list of all websites running Tidbit's code and the name of anybody whose computer mined for Bitcoins through the use of Tidbit, although Tidbit's code was not configured to mine for Bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: dude srsly ? how is the us legal system still a thing ?
mircea_popescu: the only reasonable answer to this sort of crap being "get fucked"
mircea_popescu: what business sends over its book just because someone wants to see it ?!
herbijudlestoids: morning folks :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform << there you go, esports botnet.
mircea_popescu: total take ? why, like 3500 bucks.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: so last night i was thinking of forking tails, and ripping out tor and filling it with i2p app goodness
herbijudlestoids: because right now the latest tails is one version behind on i2p
DrSteveBrule: hello everyone :)
herbijudlestoids: but i found this ...unfortunately also one version behind
mircea_popescu: are you so certain of i2p strength ?
herbijudlestoids: nope, if i was, i wouldnt bother with OTR
mircea_popescu: so then why bother.
mircea_popescu: tho an actually secure replacement for the web would be a decent use of bitcoin resources.
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mircea_popescu: not even compatible, mind you. pick port 90 and create a wholly and completely different thing.
mircea_popescu: ideally based on a stateful protocol.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: there was a guy very much like satoshi who came up with iip/i2p originally....very smart guy, i remember i used to hang on the #iip chatroom inside iip back when i was a kid
herbijudlestoids: its pretty secure
herbijudlestoids: but i cant really be sure
mircea_popescu: pretty secure crypto is like reasonably healthy whore.
herbijudlestoids: i view it as like...sort of like a 'actually secure replacement for the s/web/internet' ...kind of like a public VPN that anyone can piss in
herbijudlestoids: the problem with i2p is the problem with all p2p networks
mircea_popescu: nah, you want an adressing scheme where the routing of packets depends on the destination's identity.
mircea_popescu: that came out stupid.
mircea_popescu: you want an adressing scheme where the reading of packets depends on the destination's identity.
mircea_popescu: some sort of "gpg encrypted to ip"
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mircea_popescu: if you're not X the packet's gibberish
mircea_popescu: makes all route nodes unable to filter traffic, plain and simple.
mircea_popescu: built-in net neutrality.
mircea_popescu: you familiar with gpg right ?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 87 @ 0.00328189 = 0.2855 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: yes, just wanting to see if what youre after is matched by
mircea_popescu: well, if i give you a list of gpg messages encrypted to a bunch of my friend's keys
mircea_popescu: all you can do is deliver them or not deliver them
mircea_popescu: you can't possibly deliver all those about apples, but keep all those about fish
mircea_popescu: meh, all this onion/garlic bs.
mircea_popescu: i am not at all interested in keeping secret my identity.
mircea_popescu: i am strictly interested in keeping secret the messages passed back and forth.
herbijudlestoids: well that seems a bit odd
mircea_popescu: tbh it seems to me all the enthusiasm of the darknet people is woefully misdirected.
herbijudlestoids: so you hold no concern over the security of your metadata?
mircea_popescu: and i think mixing together securitization of data and of metadata is an epic mistake.
mircea_popescu: these are wildly divergent usecases.
mircea_popescu: moreover, it's like trying to make a chowchow swim.
mircea_popescu: you're better served by a dry chow chow and an otter.
herbijudlestoids: well i personally am not mixing them lol
mircea_popescu: nobody sane is mixing them
mircea_popescu: except the kids doing stuff like onions, garlic and other vegetables.
herbijudlestoids: do you feel like i2p at least makes a reasonable tool for metadata securitization, to use your term?
mircea_popescu: someone they have in their wot should tell them this is prime rib of stupid. separate these.
mircea_popescu: don't use that term lol, it's a direct pastiche from romanian and in english it's a term of art with diff meaning.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea if it does or doesn't and really can't be arsed to find out, cause what do i care.
mircea_popescu: but i tell you... i am mp. i have always been mp. everyone else is fkghsgeiohgiurehg. to what gain and for what benefit ?
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mircea_popescu: it's just this stupid thing everyone does because everyone's doing.
mircea_popescu: "gotta have a sikrit nick!!1"
herbijudlestoids: lol let me be frank
mircea_popescu: ok, so you're frank.
herbijudlestoids: if i thought i could conduct the communicatoins i needed over OTR using jabber
herbijudlestoids: but there is certain communications that i simply dont want associated with my actual identity
herbijudlestoids: so i need a mixnet to handle the traffic
FabianB_: what you're describing sounds like cjdns (encryption of the network, but i think not anonymity)
mircea_popescu: what, exactly ? so i feel like posting nudes one day. herpderp what, god forbid someone associates it ?
mircea_popescu: let them associte it, what of.
herbijudlestoids: OTR keeps the actual messages secure
mircea_popescu: i think you're confused as to what otr actually does.
herbijudlestoids: FabianB_: i know cjdns, prefer i2p
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ iguess it does huh
FabianB_: herbijudlestoids: coz you want the anonymity i guess
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: why do you seem to think OTR does not encrypt the conversations?
herbijudlestoids: second time youve mentioned it
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids otr makes exactly two guarantees : that only your intended recipient can read your next line, and that should someone obtain the plaintext of your communications they can't prove that it is in fact yours rather than theirs.
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mircea_popescu: it doesn't make the gpg guarantee that old conversations can never be read by third parties.
herbijudlestoids: are you referring to perfect forward secrecy?
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mircea_popescu: that's probably a narrowing down, but anyway
herbijudlestoids: OTR implements perfect forward secrecyt
herbijudlestoids: each message has its own discarded AES key negotiated by DH
mircea_popescu: "Anyone can forge messages after a conversation to make them look like they came from you. However, during a conversation, your correspondent is assured the messages he sees are authentic and unmodified."
mircea_popescu: basically, otr guarantees stuff for during a conversation. not really for after it closes.
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mircea_popescu: this is reflected in many implementations - you can generally find plaintext logs of old otr convos if you dig up your log dir.
herbijudlestoids: lucky i use tails
mircea_popescu: i'm by no means saying otr is bad or anything. i use it extensively for that matter
herbijudlestoids: i find it confusing because you seem to imply the messages are not encrypted
herbijudlestoids: being able to forge additional messages post conversation really means nothing to my threat model
mircea_popescu: certainly they're encrypted.
herbijudlestoids: but theyre not "secure"?
mircea_popescu: did you just tell me you're promising to pay 10 btc for a stuffed dollie five minutes ago ?
mircea_popescu: cause if you didn't i'd guess it's possible the forging aditional messages may mean something even for your threat model :)
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herbijudlestoids: err no, because youre talking about tying my identity to a key
herbijudlestoids: who is this "me" who promised "you" a thing
herbijudlestoids: i dunno who that is
mircea_popescu: kind-of why gribble implements ;;ident
herbijudlestoids: i got no issues with GPG, but most of the conversations where i care about the security of it, i dont want it tied to my identity if at all possible
herbijudlestoids: some things i work on, require very very high opsec
herbijudlestoids: at least for peace of mind
mircea_popescu: now, the security provided by ;;ident is necessary for business. the security provided by otr is necessary for gossip
mircea_popescu: since i do more business than gossip... i'm not so impressed with onion and garlic and so on.
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herbijudlestoids: ignore the nomenclature, i just pasted the link to see if it met your requirements of passing traffic based on keys
herbijudlestoids: which i think it does...
mircea_popescu: yeah, i'm just codgery and will find random things to bitch about
herbijudlestoids: im used to the type i guess lol, spent some time with owsley in his old age, very codger
mircea_popescu: In I2P, tunnels are unidirectional. Each party builds two tunnels, one for outbound and one for inbound traffic. Therefore, four tunnels are required for a single round-trip message and reply.
mircea_popescu: the overhead on this thing seems nutty.
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mircea_popescu: see, this is why i say it fails : the overhead imposed by all the sha(sha(sha(sha bs to keep metadata secret from downstream hops
mircea_popescu: makes it fucking unusable.
herbijudlestoids: its extremely usable
herbijudlestoids: im using it lol
mircea_popescu: just gpg the package and send it over. i definitely like fabian's cjdns much more
mircea_popescu: hey dub, what if all internet traffic henceforth needed 4 tunnels built up per connection ?
herbijudlestoids: why would you use it for all internet traffic
herbijudlestoids: the whole point is to use it for traffic that you dont want associated with your IP
mircea_popescu: you do not understand the nature of idiocy.
herbijudlestoids: always possible, explain it for me
mircea_popescu: the whole point of the bitcoin code was to prototype an idea, not to be used for srs.
mircea_popescu: and if you think the point of http was webstores...
herbijudlestoids: so youre saying? idiots will use i2p for uses other than its original use?
mircea_popescu: i'm saying that it is a design with massive overhead for dubious reasons.
mircea_popescu: imo, ianae etc.
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herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu i want to send you a message. but i dont want anyone to know it was me that sent you the message
jurov: heh. last time you were completely fine with needing a middleman because both computers connected to "internet" are behind NAT
mircea_popescu: why not ?
jurov: that's unnecessary ovehead, too
mircea_popescu: jurov not in the same sense, is it ? nat is unnecessary overhead in the sense shoes are unnecessary overhead.
mircea_popescu: they're not overhead, they're undefoot.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I have to say I underestimated you when you first arrived, but you are still only halfway to Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: Encryption is the boring part of GPG
BingoBoingo: Shit doesn't get interesting until signatures.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu lets just say if certain people found out it was me who sent you the message, they could turn up at my doorstep and coerce more messages from me
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so fyck you then, why am i talking to you ?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Black bag / Rubber Hose cryptoanalysis is more expensive than people imagine.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu well when i say you its the "example" you, not the actual mirpop you
mircea_popescu: but my point is :
herbijudlestoids: so for potentially any number of reasons. maybe we are organising a protest together
mircea_popescu: sure, the guardian may want to have a random info dead drop, and i guess they may even read it
mircea_popescu: tho it seems unlikely they would even read it, seeing how book publishers 20 years ago didn't read all the manuscripts they got
mircea_popescu: and those cost $$$
mircea_popescu: but if you imagine random joe q person is going to spend resources to go through messages that cost nothing to make up
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mircea_popescu: and can't be traced to a source... you're nuts, plainly stated.
herbijudlestoids: i know my threat model :)
herbijudlestoids: i cant say too much about it
mircea_popescu: that's fine, forget your model.
ThickAsThieves: it's DPR!
mircea_popescu: think about what's likely to happen irl, when designing.
mircea_popescu: instead of starting from weird edge cases, which then result in insane implementations that protect things that in the end don't matter.
herbijudlestoids: but if youre willing to accept the idea that i might like to discuss things with someone and not have parties on the wire who can identify me conversating specifically with that person...
mircea_popescu: so the nsa knows i talked to a hooker. fuck them, i can post pics on trilema just as well.
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
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mircea_popescu: i don't need an entire networking protocol to do that, tho.
mircea_popescu: by its very nature this is a rare occurence, best handled by exceptional means
mircea_popescu: a protocol is exactly the opposite of exceptional means.
herbijudlestoids: lets say iv hired you to be my security consultant then
herbijudlestoids: what would you suggest i do
herbijudlestoids: i give you the requirement, you must meet it, or not get paid.
lippoper: we only talk in person
mircea_popescu: on the data so far i'd suggest you get laid ?
herbijudlestoids: lippoper: i didnt hire you
lippoper: leave all electronics behind ;-)
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Who really doesn't matter. My "anonymity" is merely at the behest of polite requests to people who could confirm otherwise. Who talks to who is always difficult to hide. Focus on hiding the subject and the message.
asciilifeform: anyone who goes, 'i want crypto!' without some idea of the actual problem he is trying to solve, is in an advanced state of sin.
mircea_popescu: i mean... i still dunno what you're trying to accomplish. talk to the entire world secretly ?
lippoper: Well, that's your first problem ;-)
mircea_popescu: so you are trying to talk to identified entity X without anyone but X knowing it's you talking to them ?
BingoBoingo: If everything abut you is secret you get ignored.
mircea_popescu: is X friendly or hostile ?
herbijudlestoids: X is friendly
BingoBoingo: What is X is incredibly hostile?
lippoper: what about Y?
BingoBoingo: You just don't know it yet.
mircea_popescu: fine, call in to radio shows, have a modem buzzing in the background.
asciilifeform: if X is hostile, then anything X knows, the enemy learns immediately.
mircea_popescu: have them listen to radio shows
mircea_popescu: worked just fine in ww2.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Bingo
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: thanks for adding some useless lines to the convo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the q was to see if it's during or post delivery that the threat begins
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: the requirement is to talk over the internet
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids my general point here being that once you yielded to the adversary the identification of the channel,
mircea_popescu: you've already lost most of the battle.
mircea_popescu: keep the channel secret in your model.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Imma just adding further reading. Sometimes the noise between the lines can have meaning. Even if it isn't obvious in your particular use case as you imagine.
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herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: but i have not identified the channel
herbijudlestoids: all they could possibly know is that im using i2p
asciilifeform: steganography is an actual field, anyone for whom traffic analysis is more than an academic puzzle would do well to learn the basics;
herbijudlestoids: there could be a jabber server, irc server, even direct i2p-tunnel messages...
asciilifeform: but it is by its very nature non-standardizable.
BingoBoingo: i2p makes tor look easy.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so you're trying to gain some destandardization back. already a step in the right direction, but why do it this windows style.
mircea_popescu: just don't standardize i nthe first place.
herbijudlestoids: not sure what you mean
herbijudlestoids: what im saying is i can walk into the city, reaver a WPS pin, login using tails and communicate over irc/jabber/whatever over i2p
herbijudlestoids: how is the channel known
mircea_popescu: well i have the converse problem : not sure how to make it clearer.
herbijudlestoids: dear diary: today i hired mircea_popescu as a security consultant, and he told me to magically contact my counterpart to let them know they need to listen to eadio on certain frequency at certain time
asciilifeform: standardized stego (e.g. 'let's all encode messages in the lowest color bit of lolcat photos) is about as useful as the practice of hiding your house key under the door mat.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids this is a decent point, in that you'll both need to be on the same page.
mircea_popescu: there's a long distance from this to making "a meta-protective protocol" tho.
mircea_popescu: just finish each message with "next message in the form of lolcats"
mircea_popescu: again, worked fine in ww2.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Twist in the plot: key under the rug can't withstand the torque necessary to turn the lock and breaks inside...
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: these are literally the problems OTR was designed to solve lol
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: grenade sans pin with the spoon held down by the rug, if you like.
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I an imagining less explosions, but kind of yes. Sabotaged key under the rug that is both useless and leaves a trace of attempts at its use.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids otr protects your meta-data now ?
mircea_popescu: i gues in the sense of no signatures...
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: what problem would you actually like to solve? that is, what is the portrait of the enemy? and what is to be protected?
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: i cant really tell you that
asciilifeform: no need to be specific
asciilifeform: just generalities
herbijudlestoids: the problem i would like to solve, is very very simple
asciilifeform: e.g. 'nsa' and 'warez'
herbijudlestoids: there is another geek, somewhere on the internet. we work on a project together. if someone wanted to attack that project, the easiest way would be to find out who ran it
herbijudlestoids: we need to talk...maybe once a month or less...
herbijudlestoids: over the internet.
asciilifeform: talk in real time?
mircea_popescu: i doubt otr actually covers this case.
herbijudlestoids: it has to be impossible for anyone to ever use those communicatoins to find out who is running the project.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i told you like 50 times we are using OTR to encrypt conversations that take place over i2p
mircea_popescu: if for no other reason then because it is probably feasible for the adversary to build a list of people and then cross names off
mircea_popescu: they won't KNOW it's you, they will however know it's none of the other schmucks.
mircea_popescu: they can take place over the naked body of mary.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Why not turtle routing if it is only two known parties that can exchange credentials in person?
asciilifeform: it depends on what the project is. if it's a lamecoin, it could be 10,000 schmucks. if it's a working TWINKLE, your name is shamir and they already know where you live.
herbijudlestoids: i dunno what a twinkle is, but my name is sina, so close enough :P
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: explain?
herbijudlestoids: if i wanted F2F i would use gnunet, but i want intermediary nodes to take the traffic load, i dont want to talk directly to the counterparts IP
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Turtle routing is kind of like i2p except the assumption exists you actually know and meat/meet everyone you connect to.
herbijudlestoids: would likely use the gnunet for F2F comms
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: it is not a working TWINKLE :)
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: is cost a constraint?
asciilifeform: because if it isn't, you can stuff bytes in the btc block chain.
herbijudlestoids: why on earth would i persist OTR conversations into the blockchain
mircea_popescu: and if it is, you can stuff bytes in altcoin block chain.
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asciilifeform: agree on public keys, and encrypt
asciilifeform: the agreement only needs to happen once
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by the way : have you considered this is probably a major driver for the altcoins ? do some secret messaging, in ten years nobody will exist with a copy of the blockchain anyway
herbijudlestoids: i definitely do not want to persist anything in any blockchain!
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: assume that every packet you send over the public net gets 'persisted' regardless of whether you asked for it
herbijudlestoids: lel you guys crack me up
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mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids your notion that stuff going through the internet is ephemeral boggles me :D
mircea_popescu: shit, beaten to it again
mircea_popescu: i gotta learn to touchtype already.
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: i make that assumption, but i why would i WILLINGLY persist something in the blockchain
mircea_popescu: because it's better to fuck willingly than to get fucked ?
asciilifeform: because this way 10,000 lamers are all equal candidates for the inquisition, for having said packets on disk
mircea_popescu: at least in some people's estimation.
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: in that case i would always use freenet, but i dont want persistence and prefer 10,000 lamers to have the packets in their NIC than on their disk.
BingoBoingo: I wonder if anti-Zyprexa exists...
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: you want a psychotic inducer?
mircea_popescu: acid prolly works...
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Not exactly
BingoBoingo: More like a complacency relaxer
herbijudlestoids: so you want to increase your motivation?
herbijudlestoids: try l-tyrosine
herbijudlestoids: catecholamine precursor.
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: i'm feeling generous, have an example:
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herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: thanks for your generosity i guess, what is this?
mircea_popescu: pretty good shit.
mircea_popescu: you people and your synthetic helpers.
herbijudlestoids: i dont take any synthetics, l-tyrosine is a metabolic precursor you can easily obtain from food :)
BingoBoingo: I only brought Zyprexa up, because Vitamin H would have been too obvious...
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: recipe, for stowing four octets in the blockchain.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: If you want catecholamine precursors though Lima/Fava beans work just fine
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: ah right. thx...i appreciate the gesture :)
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: um, no, the beans contain L-DOPA which is an acute dopamine precursor, l-tyrosine is much more effective and less acute, precursor to all catecholamines
ThickAsThieves: fava beans are the best beans
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Your chemistry isn't wrong, but it is missing 4 steps and 9 pathways.
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BingoBoingo: Also there is no such thing is an acute precursor unless you want to talk prodrugs like codeine
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ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
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BingoBoingo: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i mean acute as in relative to l-tyrosine
herbijudlestoids: same way that 5-htp versus l-tryptophan
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I think you read pharmacology equivalents to the National Enquirer a bit too much.
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: four octets ought to be a roomy enough 'dead drop' for anyone
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: dead drop is not my requirement
asciilifeform: dead drop can tell the friendly forces where to find whatever.
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: im not a neuroscientist, but i did used to work at the largest neuroscience research facility in australia. consider my knowledge on the topic a poor carbon copy
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: 5-HTP is mostly a precusor of things that aren't catecholamines anyway
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I haven't taken a bio class since 7th grade.
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: you misunderstand, i was referring to 5-htp being a direct serotonin precursor (equiv of L-DOPA for dopamine) and l-tryptophan being broader/less acute
asciilifeform: serotonin more or less stops at the blood-brain barrier, so 5-htp just annoys your liver.
herbijudlestoids: 5-htp is the l-dopa of what i meant
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: But in vitro most 5-HTP becomes various histamines as opposed to becoming serotinin.
herbijudlestoids: who cares about in vitro
herbijudlestoids: i am talking about when you eat it
BingoBoingo: 5-HTP generallyis dangerous because it is a histamine precursor rather than a serotonin precursor.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Well, I'm not in the habit of cutting vexual open.
ozbot: Striatal dopamine terminals release serotonin afte... [Brain Res. 1990] - PubMed - NCBI
herbijudlestoids: "Peripheral administration of 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) to rats causes 'wet dog' shakes and a parallel elevation of brain serotonin (5-HT) levels. "
BingoBoingo: And nicotinic receptor inhibitors like succicholine cause paralasis.
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BingoBoingo: Most serotogenic receptors from the five documented families happen in the bowels.
herbijudlestoids: we have come a long way from your question of wanting to remove complacency
herbijudlestoids: i suggested something to increase endogenous adrenaline and dopamine together.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: And now we are talking about shit.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile irl...
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: The thing is meth can do that cheaper. Combine meth and an MAOI and you can do it fast and incredibly cheap with incredible safety.
cazalla: that zyprexa link.. why would a 6 year old be on that
cazalla: and what type of parent would give consent
herbijudlestoids: lel if you think meth + MAOI removes complacency
asciilifeform: in what universe is 'meth' cheap?
herbijudlestoids: cazalla: US Big Pharma influenced doctors :)
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mircea_popescu: cazalla no need for parental consent in the us.
herbijudlestoids: cazalla: they go to a conference, there is big pharma salespeople there, there is other doctors who were paid by big pharma to do studies, et
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You know we only whack you because we like you.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Missouri
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what, it is cheap. cheapest thing on the street.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: why is that lady naked?
herbijudlestoids: she seems out of place
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: <3
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i think you misunderstand. e.g. an AK-47 is 'cheap', if you're a Pashtun. but say you're a Brit.
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: this is the first irc chan that i have hung out in since probly 2010...should give you a clue :)
mircea_popescu: no, it's cheap. go to wherever the homeless gather where you live and ask.
asciilifeform: then you pay 10x, and roll in the cost of lawyers, bribes, etc. if you're found out.
cazalla: herbijudlestoids: i know how it works but it's just shocking a 6 year old would be taking it, my dad takes a small dose to manage his schizophrenia and it did wonders for him but still, a 6 year old?
mircea_popescu: it's like the altchain of drugs, every fuckwit can cook it.
herbijudlestoids: cazalla: profit margins yo, they must be kept up
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asciilifeform: the basic formula for black market cost is 'Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi'
benkay: translation?
mircea_popescu: cazalla that drug cost a 100 mn to create and 5 bn to market.
asciilifeform: esp. now that 'silk road' is done
mircea_popescu: you think that can be paid off on the backs of the five hundred old people with an actual need for it ?
herbijudlestoids: cazalla: if your marketing strategy is so successful that it encompasses the entire 21-65yo spectrum...what do you do? expand the market ;)
BingoBoingo: I knew plenty of kids in elementary school on the Desoxyn
mircea_popescu: benkay what's legit for jesus isn't legit for random fuckwit
cazalla: not familiar with that one BingoBoingo, zyprexa gave my dad a sane life though
mircea_popescu: here's a good one.
ozbot: Hawaii family sues dentist for root canal that left 3-year-old girl BRAIN DEAD - NY Daily News
mircea_popescu: think about it... root canals in milk teeth.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In Detroit,St Louis, and Chicago the most common caliber used in homicides was .22LR
herbijudlestoids: cazalla: lol desoxyn is meth :)
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cazalla: 3 year olds need root canal?
cazalla: must've given her pepsi instead of breastmilk
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if govt. stats are to be believed, this is true in all 50 states.
mircea_popescu: cazalla in the us, yes.
asciilifeform: low pressure round. hence pistols with barrels made of cheap hell-knows-what alloy.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well problem probably isn't government stats in this case. In this case it is people who want to bake a murder want to use an expendable and cheap weapon.
mircea_popescu: so i guess the real gangstas are the people with daisies and red ryders in their mtv videos
mircea_popescu: as opposed to all the fakers with platform machine guns and anti tank missile launchers
asciilifeform: .22, 'olympic' caliber, favourite of executioners around the world
ozbot: homicide da union - YouTube
asciilifeform: traditionally used at 'point blank' range. no exit wound, bounces around in the head.
asciilifeform: every once in a while, somebody fellates a .22 and lives
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For small game fillinf hollow points with phosphorous has its virtues
herbijudlestoids: let me tell you guys about our prime minister
herbijudlestoids: his name is tony abbott
herbijudlestoids: imagine george bush
BingoBoingo: da union has the best videos on Youtube
herbijudlestoids: and then take away all of the intelligence
herbijudlestoids: thats tony abbott
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: light the meat? why?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Marks where the lead settles, by yes scorching the wound tunnel.
BingoBoingo: Usefull on fatty shit like woodchucks
ozbot: FLAGS DA UNION - YouTube
herbijudlestoids: ill tell you guys what
herbijudlestoids: i will give up my 0.02BTC to anyone who wants to come to aus and challenge tony abbott to a fight
asciilifeform: saddam h. reportedly challenged mr. bush to a duel.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Plenty of sandbars here. Talk him into a meeting on the mississippi. Plenty of sand bars with questionable jurisdiction.
BingoBoingo: US Senators used to end their careers on those all of the time.
herbijudlestoids: i fucken hate this guy
herbijudlestoids: i used to think i hated our previous, conservative, 4 term PM, john howard
herbijudlestoids: but i love john howard compared to tony abbott...
ozbot: REAL STL HOOD FIGHTZ- "Cam vs. J.R. Pt. 2" (Unedited) - YouTube
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 5.28978394 BTC to 19`322 shares, 27377 satoshi per share
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: are they actually gonna fight lol
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I dunno
herbijudlestoids: the answer is no
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herbijudlestoids: waste of 4 minutes
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: How do you know pt 3 isn't set in the back of an ambulance?
herbijudlestoids: there is no part 3
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids what specifically is the complaint ?
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: against abbott?
herbijudlestoids: let me show you a video
mircea_popescu: ain't nobody got no time for that.
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herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i dunno how i can exactly explain it...but i guess its very similar to bush snr vs jnr. policywise, identical...but you feel embarrassed when you see them overseas representing you
mircea_popescu: lmao the keiser muppet made his own coin
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Lnk plox?
ozbot: Max Keiser (maxkeiser) on Twitter
mircea_popescu: good for a lol.
mircea_popescu: (no actual link to the thing anywhere there)
mircea_popescu: "As a stage of the launch will release password protected .rar files for important downloads, followed by passwords a time later."
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ozbot: Twitter / LionelMedia: Maxcoin is the new Dogecoin. ...
mircea_popescu: the funny thing, of course, is that he's following mp mandated policy TO SPITE ME
mircea_popescu: my life would have been infinitely boring-er without bitcoin, for srs.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.11 = 0.55 BTC [+]
ozbot: Twitter / BBoingo: @maxkeiser @KeiserReport ...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: To think all you would have before would have been the slave girls and the fortune
ozbot: [PRE-ANN][MAX] MaxCoin
mircea_popescu: there you go.
mircea_popescu: BTC Block time? 30 seconds << that's the innovation.
BingoBoingo: Wait SHA-3? WHo has some FPGAs?
BingoBoingo: THere's some good VHDL cores for that.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'ebay.' a dime a dozen.
mircea_popescu: course the code got leaked
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I mean who still has FPGAs to sink them nao...
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo has enlightened me, i had no idea how many videos of black people nearly fighting each other but not, were on youtube
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plenty of people own fpgas. me, for instance.
pankkake: videos of "nigger friday"?
ozbot: [MCXNOW IPO] : 11,000 BTC raised [ UPDATE : OVER ]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure we just need the set of people with FPGAs and who would like to luke-jr Max Keister
mircea_popescu: check it out, realsolid (of solidcoin scam fame) is like... raising ipos and whatnot
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He went scam on that IPO like months ago.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im pretty sure that's being taken care of.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no ?!
mircea_popescu: but how could that be.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Solidcoin 4?
nubbins`: you want a psychosis inducer, lsd is a poor choice
nubbins`: try atropine or scopolamine type stuff
mircea_popescu: "just get married" ?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Actually if you want speed dramamine is the fastest route.
herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: thats delerium, not psychosis.
BingoBoingo: At the right doses
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nubbins`: herbijudlestoids, one's as good as the other
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Neither of those are very good. Delerium versus psychosis is Riddler versus Joker.
Vexual: eat lead paint
mircea_popescu: you know it's spelled delirium
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nubbins`: i was gonna let the spelling slide
nubbins`: bingo, i'm not up on my batman villains
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Thank you markov chain!!! Shekel me nao.
mircea_popescu: me too but it was taking up a life of its own
nubbins`: deleterious delirium
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mircea_popescu: hilatarious
nubbins`: either way
nubbins`: you give some schmo lsd and he's just as likely to achieve complete awareness
mircea_popescu: complete my foot.
mircea_popescu: that's psychosis.
nubbins`: haha
BingoBoingo: But atropine 'could' be delerium
mircea_popescu: "you can't logically prove my complete awareness is incomplete and kinda unaware!1111"
mircea_popescu: guy walks into a pole
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You sound like a MAXCOiner
BingoBoingo: lol, I've walked into a pole. poles have decent tits
nubbins`: see?
nubbins`: complete awareness
nubbins`: dude knew what he was doing all along
nubbins`: anyway, there are plenty of virgins that have convinced themselves that sex is just a sticky wet mess
nubbins`: what of it?
mircea_popescu: there are ?!
mircea_popescu: dude the more i hear of canada...
nubbins`: the more you wanna move here
nubbins`: i know
herbijudlestoids: haha holy shit
herbijudlestoids: slashdot has changed interfaces
mircea_popescu: um no. i don't like virginz.
herbijudlestoids: the comments sections have ceased to be about the story and only talking about the interface
nubbins`: i don't like people who haven't taken lsd ;p
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: The trick is figuring out how many minutes ago I opened the bottle.
nubbins`: i kid
BingoBoingo: So around 7 UTC we get Altcoin on Slashdot?
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: me figuring it out or you figuring it out?
Vexual: if one goes to heaven with 40 virgins, do they stay that way?
nubbins`: Vexual, the hymens regrow
mircea_popescu: Vexual yeah. it's gonna be painful for them 4evar
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I know the answer is 143
mircea_popescu: that way muslim men don't ever need to fuck ass.
nubbins`: anyway, for those of you who are aware of the "stoned ape" theory of evolution of consciousness
nubbins`: check this gem out:
ozbot: Stoned Ape Theory - YouTube
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But the scents differ. Ass flora and Vaginal flora are completley different flora. Basically E Coli versus Yoplait.
mircea_popescu: i use condoms anyway
herbijudlestoids: "It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir,[8] and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a hasan hadith[9] from Ibn Majah,[10] wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal".[11] "
herbijudlestoids: ...appetizing.
mircea_popescu: it's a mistranslation.
herbijudlestoids: yea i know lol, iranian, remember?
mircea_popescu: "desirable"
nubbins`: condoms, what's that, a euro thing?
mircea_popescu: lol "it's not a purse, it's european"
nubbins`: eternal erections would become gangrenous
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You might be canadian, so it doesn't seem relevant, but they are essential anywhere aids is possible;.
nubbins`: again, i kid ;(
nubbins`: we have aids here in canada too
nubbins`: in this province, yes
asciilifeform: nubbins`: only kaffirs get afterlife with gangrene.
BingoBoingo: Or is it Candidia lacks a certain .txt
nubbins`: ooh good crossover joke
nubbins`: actually, a local actor is starring in the film remake of that .txt, alongside cuba gooding jr
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not necessarily. it could be magically arranged the blood still flows
ozbot: 2 Oscar winners join TV adaptation of The Book of Negroes - Toronto - CBC News
mircea_popescu: maybe the chosen penis just enters a hydraulic annomaly
nubbins`: some sort of bloodlock system
mircea_popescu: no, no lock.
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BingoBoingo: Good point mircea_popescu. Still. No one is making decent cheddar in there.
mircea_popescu: just, pv=nt here and p'v=nt there
nubbins`: well i just mean like an airlock
mircea_popescu: allah sez.
nubbins`: new blood in, mild overinflation, old blood out
nubbins`: you could time the inflow to the outward thrust, to simulate knotting
ozbot: Anorexia patient told by ER nurse to 'go get some supper' - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
Mats_cd03: i am now the proud owner of some S.MPOE
nubbins`: ah, this place is something else
Mats_cd03: what do i have to look forward to
nubbins`: Mats_cd03, uncertainty and elation
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 prolly some dividends at some point
Mats_cd03: hopefully ill be able to reinvest my profits into a nice deep fryer
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: deep fryers, jeez
nubbins`: why not just throw out all your pants and start wearing pyjamas?
Mats_cd03: i hear they make one that uses a centrifuge inside at 3x G to induce a delicious crisp outside chicken
Mats_cd03: i hear its... extraterrestrially delicious
Vexual: swirling a wok can do that
nubbins`: all for the low cost of having your house smell like a grease trap
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BingoBoingo: Anyone here part of the Silicon Valley circuit?
Mats_cd03: what is that
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Until they prove otherwise lusers
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: im not directly but do know a fair few who are
herbijudlestoids: re openstack
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, pankkake, jborkl:
nubbins`: i don't think amazon is gonna carry this book
pankkake: who am I?
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: But I did disclose some alma maters here earlier today. If people who want into Bitcoin want to know how to navigate a WoT I make myself available... for a price.
nubbins`: i don't know what you look like so i had to draw something based on your nick
nubbins`: you're all flat, like a pankkake :(
Mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: i dont want to read logs so why dont you tell me
mircea_popescu: why does kako have a moustachio like groucho marx ?
BingoBoingo: Lol nubbins` That goes in the -assets book right?
nubbins`: yeah, first page
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because somolia
nubbins`: just a rough draft of course ;p
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, that's actually jborkl
mircea_popescu: bongebaungu i see you have an issue with vowel rotation
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Know Paul Graham?
nubbins`: i tried to draw someone who looked bork-y
mircea_popescu: what in "jason borkland" gives you the turkish look ?
nubbins`: honestly i use paint markers and accidentally depressed the tip
pankkake: anyway, awesome
nubbins`: then had to fix it as best i could ;(
mircea_popescu: i kinda like how my head rests securely on my beard pedestal
nubbins`: for easy storage, natch
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you realise this is the book of the book being written right now
nubbins`: hmm, that's a bit too seinfeld for me
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nubbins`: strike this from the logs!
pankkake: though today I was more like jborkl, wore a snow hat and hat weird stuff coming in and out of my nose
mircea_popescu: pankkake did you get your face surgically removed yet ?
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: nope
nubbins`: i draw a couple more but the pens started acting up
nubbins`: *drew
nubbins`: full of ink blobs
pankkake: I had turbinoplasty
pankkake: my nose is TURBINES
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Ah, I could hope. I've been trying to target him through blog posts
mircea_popescu: now you can ipo your head
mircea_popescu: for a mining farm based on wind turbines
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: is he a fin services guy? i can see someone paul graham fin services on linkedin
nubbins`: stateful wind
Vexual: upper level
nubbins`: ^ we already have this, altho it's pretty much read-only
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that comes out the other way.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: He used to be an academic LISPer
pankkake: I'm not finished yet, but it's becoming an expensive head :(
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: The past tense might be important though
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pankkake: the bearded MP reminds me of something, but I can't really find it
nubbins`: BingoBoingo, i imagine you as some sort of cross between a kangaroo and an old lady with a visor
benkay: BingoBoingo: he used to be a commercial Lisper as well.
pankkake: maybe cthulhu
nubbins`: pankkake: does it remind you of mp? ;p
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: What I am looking for is someone silicon valley who needs a Bitcoin Bullshit filter.
benkay: BingoBoingo: unfortunately those who need what you have to offer are too stupid to realize they need it.
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BingoBoingo: benkay: I know that, but it is only to the potential audience's peril
nubbins`: benkay: this is actually a problem with free condoms too
pankkake: I shaved yesterday, should have IPOed my glorious beard
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Shame to you and your family
mircea_popescu: im thinking of shaving too
nubbins`: it's liberating
pankkake: usually it itches, but after a month and a half it was still good
BingoBoingo: pankkake: How slow does french hair grow?
benkay: you guys can't shave my sideburns are just starting to come into bloom! i was shooting for an assets beard conference.
nubbins`: i find if you can get past the 3-week mark, the beard grows itself
mircea_popescu: benkay you coming in april ?
benkay: nah man
benkay: not unless revenue picks up significantly
benkay: wish i were
ozbot: The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pankkake: BingoBoingo: I am a hairy monster, but for example my brother can't grow a beard as fast as me, if at all
nubbins`: i'm waiting for someone to sponsor me as a courtroom sketch-artist type deal
nubbins`: incidentally the last two zines we published were essentially this
benkay: was totally planning to, but then i dropped the well-paid infotech work to do the same thing with good friends for clients paying a third
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: thinking of going?
nubbins`: benkay, i used to work for a company called infotech
mircea_popescu: benkay splendid stragety.
nubbins`: "why don't we just call our company IT?" "nah, too short"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sheriff couple of counties over still has my passport until at least May
mircea_popescu: let's call our shop SHOP
mircea_popescu: and our dog DOG
mircea_popescu: and our child CHILD
nubbins`: right?
Vexual: lol BingoBongo, I'm having similar issues
pankkake: that's what korean starcraft players do, though
nubbins`: i owned a nameless cockatiel for over 10 years
herbijudlestoids: yall criminals.
pankkake: names like "life", "cloud", "hero"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what srsys, you can't apply for a whatsitcalled
Vexual: boat?
nubbins`: pankkake, i generally found that koreans had crazy email addresses
nubbins`: like
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I got principles and I ain't plea'in
mircea_popescu: ?
nubbins`: one day i realized that they were just typing their names in korean on the keyboard
nubbins`: hahahah
mircea_popescu: good for spam honeypottin'
BingoBoingo: I paid may to many BTC for this drive through motherfucking lawyer's time back in may and I plan to waste as much of his time as I can.
mircea_popescu: (nothice equal strlen)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ahahaha how much was it
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: $300 or back in May 2.5 BTC that week
mircea_popescu: fuck, you hired a lawyer for 300 bux ?!
nubbins`: what'd that get you, a handshake?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, dude has a drive thru
nubbins`: oh wow
nubbins`: i thought that was a figure of speech
BingoBoingo: Fucker is happy to act as my paralegal too.
nubbins`: hi can i take your problem please
benkay: mircea_popescu: can't tell if sarcasm or irony
mircea_popescu: you know, rural us...
BingoBoingo: Well, yeah
benkay: and if ironic what precisely the message is
nubbins`: benkay, surprise
mircea_popescu: benkay :D
BingoBoingo: If sit ain't cheap enough head into the wastes
asciilifeform: somebody 'in demand' should actually declare, 'wanna talk? low octets of tx amount to addr. A plz.'
mircea_popescu: that's okay, i can't tell which message he;s on about. we have thus achieved
mircea_popescu: perfect communicational symmetrification.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay splendid stragety.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sort-of like how trilema credits work
nubbins`: hmmmmmm
nubbins`: re: "socialist millionaire" problem
Mats_cd03: hes 99% incoherent usually
pankkake: "Just like on the 1st edition VIPs get free shuttle service to and from the airport, free (4 star) hotel accomodation including breakfast (either singles or doubles at your option, no extra charge), free meals and drinks everywhere" oh. I see the point now :D
nubbins`: one nice thing about having a degree in pure mathematics is that you can grok wikipedia articles on math
BingoBoingo: I'd honestly be surprised if this matter is adjudicated in time for next year's conference.
mircea_popescu: benkay just sarcastic
asciilifeform: nubbins`: one can grok the millionaires protocol with a first grade degree.
nubbins`: oh, sure, yeah
asciilifeform: (at least, soviet 1st grade.)
nubbins`: i just mean sentences like "All operations are performed modulo p, or in other words, in the multiplicative group (Z/pZ)*."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i hear a lot of work is being put into keeping us citizens from being able to travel abroad
mircea_popescu: for all sorts of not-directly-related reasons
nubbins`: and they said group theory wouldn't prove useful in real life.
pankkake: a lot of work = butt probes and cancer-giving machines?
benkay: can't say as i agree, mp. before i was limited pretty solidly on increasing revenue. nowadays, i'm only limited on revenue by my ability to find work and people to do it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far, just a bit of dekulakization.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If it comes down to life and death I can walk to Nuevo Laredo and get all of the hookers. Nao though... Imma wilk my 2.5 BTC out of Mr. Drive Thru.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: best korea does that, too
mircea_popescu: benkay the sarcasm refers to what was stated not to teh reality therein described.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i was in nuevo laredo, had excellent pasta there
nubbins`: jborkl
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: that's you on the bottom
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I can't affirm or deny having spent any time there this summer, but pasta there "seems" to be above that availble in my native area
nubbins`: fun fact, the dollar store sells fake Moleskine notebooks for $1
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was some prattle about making folks owing $6+figs of tax 'невыездной'
asciilifeform: afaik never went anywhere.
Vexual: nubs not really paper?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it's implemented
nubbins`: Vexual, just a brand name. no moles were harmed
mircea_popescu: yu can't get a passport if you owe back tax.
Vexual: inferior stitching?
nubbins`: shrug. has held up so far
nubbins`: they even have the elastic band and the bookmark
Vexual: might be real
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the magic number?
nubbins`: nah, real ones are like $18
mircea_popescu: fun fact. apud gt, nevyyezdnoy=travel abroad, vyyezdnoy=exit
Vexual: and the french is proper
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no magic number. irs just puts a hold.
mircea_popescu: $100 is good enough.
nubbins`: it's actually pretty hard to bind a book with thread so poorly that it falls apart
nubbins`: i mean, if you can tie a knot
nubbins`: even if you can't
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: вьезд / выезд sure
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: entry/exit
nubbins`: i actually let my passport expire
nubbins`: have to get a new picture taken this week
asciilifeform: nevyyezdnoy (невыездной) - 'he who is not to leave'
nubbins`: gotta say, it rots my guts when they don't stamp the pages in order
Vexual: lol
jborkl: Nice drawing, is that original?
nubbins`: jborkl: yeah, part of the upcoming first issue of -assets Quarterly
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, just the way i am, i guess
jborkl: Nice
nubbins`: would you buy a notebook and start writing on page 7?
Vexual: yes
nubbins`: eat shit, both of you
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mircea_popescu: "would you pick up a chick and start by fucking her in the ass ?"
Vexual: i hope you get your visa stamped on the cover
nubbins`: NOT ON PAGE 7 I WOULDN'T
mircea_popescu: if i ever visit nubbins` household i'm writing into all the new noteboox at random locations
nubbins`: i bet you eat all the chocolate in your advent calendars on the first day too, don't ya
jborkl: Heh, I am left handed so I sometimes start at the back. Drives the wife nuts
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: there came a point where we had enough scrap paper that we were able to stop buying notebooks and start making them
mircea_popescu: nubbins` dude, i will DRINK FROM THE MIDDLE OF YOUR BOTTLES
nubbins`: jborkl: funny, i actually start reading magazines from the back
nubbins`: hahah
nubbins`: so... with a straw? :(
ozbot: Adobe Flash Remote Code Execution Flaw Exploited In the Wild - Slashdot
mircea_popescu: you'll have some liquid, then a pause, then more liquid
herbijudlestoids: update yo flash nigz
nubbins`: i hate that!!
mircea_popescu: someone had flash ?!
nubbins`: what's a flash
jborkl: Wait, where are sticking that straw? Is this still about picking up the chick?
nubbins`: i think they start in the middle
mircea_popescu: they always start in the middle.
nubbins`: not sure
mircea_popescu: "they start in middle school yeah"
nubbins`: what's a school
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herbijudlestoids: yall dont have flash?
herbijudlestoids: how do youwatch youtube
Vexual: mp posts a lot of public nudes
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu:
mircea_popescu: ain't nobody got no time for that.
mircea_popescu: windows only exploits. herp
asciilifeform: the overflow works elsewhere, these folks only looked at the winblows example.
herbijudlestoids: if it exploits only windows why did adobe release emergency patch for all OS, even including the unsupported linux version
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: do you have some tumblr blog of photos of (what i assume are) eastern europeans who are weirdly out of place naked?
mircea_popescu: i just have friends.
mircea_popescu: and yes its mostly the czech republic
jborkl: Heh mp has pictures of slush naked
herbijudlestoids: i dun get it...your friends like to be naked at regular social events?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: What is so hard to believe?
ozbot: Four Arrested in Connection With Philip Seymour Hoffman's Death
KRS-One: Looks like a fat dyke convention.
mircea_popescu: foul play ?!
mircea_popescu: KRS-One he wanted slush
KRS-One: Probably smells kind of like fish there.
KRS-One: .bait
pankkake: only one nipple pierced, that always drives me crazy
KRS-One: hahaa
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: its not that i disbelieve, just not sure i understand
jborkl: Lol, Santa is creeping me out
pankkake: how dare you not be symmetrical
nubbins`: pankkake: many women do this out of concern for future breastfeeding
KRS-One: pankkake theres a word for that..doesnt mean its bad one way or the other
pankkake: nubbins`: oh…
BingoBoingo: Tis the problem with the TSR model. DEA gets all of the meta-NSA tools and the imagination to do parallel reconstruction
KRS-One: haha drinking pabst blue ribbon beer
nubbins`: idea is that the fistula formed when the piercing heals can clog milk ducts
mircea_popescu: piercings don't hurt lactation wtf is that ?!
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Would you yourself rather wear clothes or not wear clothes?
nubbins`: this has been documented
mircea_popescu: really ?
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: granted, there are a lot of milk ducts, maybe a dozen or so if i'm not mistaken
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu nubbins`:ONly if tard operate the needles.
Vexual: there might be other forces at play here
nubbins`: but apparently it causes problems frequently enough that it's advised against doing both
jborkl: Wtf , this is going downhill
nubbins`: plus, babby's teeth
BingoBoingo: jborkl: Altcoin is going down?
nubbins`: or gums, i guess
nubbins`: don't want him swallowing a barbell
mircea_popescu: nubbins` obviously you take them off
Vexual: did they sompare other life choices of the pierced?
mircea_popescu: kind-of why i think it improbable, the breast changes a lot during pregnancy
nubbins`: obviously you don't feed your kid poutine for its first meal
nubbins`: but people do anyway
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: WHy not?
BingoBoingo: It's like babyy poridge?
nubbins`: because it's too healthy
mircea_popescu: pankkake you know, no irl tits are actually symmetrical.
pankkake: nor are faces, but it's not as bothering
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BingoBoingo: pankkake: Faces could be bothering on the Sarah Jessica Parker ass end of asymmetrical
nubbins`: most people's shoulders aren't even symmetrical
nubbins`: dominant side is generally higher
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nubbins`: and blade sticks out differently
nubbins`: hahaha skipper on the right
mircea_popescu: totally awesome pic
mircea_popescu: you can even tell where in france it is
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: depends on the weather :D
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nubbins`: pankkake, HEH
pankkake: google images is getting good
mircea_popescu: you never knew ms horseface ?
nubbins`: i like it when customized content *just* falls short
Vexual: i think they might wait for the next bus
pankkake: isn't ms horseface julia roberts?
pankkake: but yeah she's a horse too
nubbins`: got an ad on my facebook feed once for long-distance plans, some rasta saying "call ya bredren dem for free"
nubbins`: "warmer, facebook... warmer..."
benkay: they even got the grammar correct my my
nubbins`: maybe the most relevant thing i've ever read on the site
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You use facebook?
benkay: BingoBoingo: have you heard of Tinder?
benkay: the kids need computers to just have sex these days
nubbins`: yeah, it's like that bar all your friends used to hang out at, but now your extended family is there too
BingoBoingo: benkay: yes I have.
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mircea_popescu: what's tinder ?
benkay: so i actually moved back into the neighborhood in which i grew up.
nubbins`: benkay, :(
BingoBoingo: benkay: It's like I go to the bar with all of these friends with smartphones. They fuck around on tinder and I just follow the golden rule of Tits bigger than ass. THen they get jelly.
benkay: no its great nubbins
nubbins`: then :D
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Tinder is like Grindr but not for homos.
nubbins`: the neighbourhood i grew up is all old people now
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ass bigger than tits.
benkay: i like being a part of a family story in a physical location that's endured for a little bit.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Whiskey vision.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Drunk enough to know I can't be on IRC vision.
BingoBoingo: Perspective gets a bit... distorted
nubbins`: Chief Executive Officer of Tinder, Sean Rad, said, "the word ‘dating’ doesn't even mean shit to us. What does that even mean?”[
nubbins`: mister rad
mircea_popescu: me on irc a coupla days ago : "hey, what were your tits/ass measures ?" "40 and 38. why ?" "because mansfield was 40 35"
BingoBoingo: So a person barely aware of self awareness must... compensate
mircea_popescu: so i guess you're right, tits bigger than ass it is.
Vexual: BingoBoingo: shut one eye
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Mack me
mircea_popescu: nubbins` he has a point tho. i never dated.
nubbins`: nor i
nubbins`: this isn't the 50s
nubbins`: "wanna go steady"
BingoBoingo: I dated, it was horrible. Fucking was much better.
mircea_popescu: in romanian you'd "ask for a girl's friendship" in the 50s
mircea_popescu: basically... asking for a friendzone ?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Why aren't you pumpin Altcoin yet?
mircea_popescu: he got hired by Max Failser, that's why
mircea_popescu: he be pumpin' that maxcoin nao
nubbins`: "At Least 50 Couples Have Gotten Engaged Thanks To Red-Hot Hook-Up App Tinder"
Vexual: i don't take keister coin
benkay: but you do take coin in the kiester!
BingoBoingo: What is even the mining stroke for KeiserCoin?
benkay: up...
benkay: and down.
benkay: up...
benkay: and down.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 30 second blocks
mircea_popescu: that shoud be a riot.
nubbins`: no, up only
nubbins`: endless pull-out
nubbins`: Max Forkser
mod6: pump.... and dump!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So GHCQ should squash it in good order with their SYN shit.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the 512 second block altchains die out in about 10 days,
mircea_popescu: when people are done mining the juciest blocks and move on
mircea_popescu: a 30 second block chain should be exhausted in about... a day.
BingoBoingo: I really need to make that MD4 coin...
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Vexual: you might wanna close both eyes
BingoBoingo: Max difficulty within the first hour. It would actually be a useful experiment in how BTC would handle a catastrophic break of SHA-256
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Vexual: good point
BingoBoingo: Thank you Vexual
benkay: except we've seen coins get diff-pinned before.
mircea_popescu: ironically, i think btc would be thje safest
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prolly
mircea_popescu: cause watched pot and not *really* that much benefit
mircea_popescu: various other things, such as banking, however...
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't wanna be a tech lead for any bank when sha cracks.
mircea_popescu: tbh i imagine the security people wake up screaming once a month cause of this]
benkay: we're all security people now.
BingoBoingo: Do banks even use SHA-1 yet? Is that "approved" for them?
mircea_popescu: benkay no i mean specifically, it sec consultants for banks with major customer facing interfaces
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sure.
BingoBoingo: I ask because more consumers were injured in the target hack than will probably ever hold BTC
ozbot: Microsoft Warns Customers Away From RC4 and SHA-1 - Slashdot
mircea_popescu: just for lolz
Vexual: gates is audi for real now
BingoBoingo: I need to come up with something Slashdot worthy. Unless someone else wants to start pumping my Altcoin artile at 07:00 UTC
benkay: your 15 minutes of fame have passed, BingoBoingo.
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Plaxant: BingoBoingo I'm surprised r/baseball didn't like the link I posted
BingoBoingo: benkay: You dedicated Lispers assume one Macro is enough.
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BingoBoingo: Plaxant: I will hurt them again. Oncce pitchers and catchers report.
benkay: i'm nowhere near enough of a lisper to catch your ref, B
benkay: BingoBoingo ^^
BingoBoingo: Shame there is no World Baseball Classic this year. Netherlands and Puerto Rico made me a lot of worth much less BTC last year.
benkay: BingoBoingo: do you use a dedicated bitbet address?
BingoBoingo: benkay: The code of one input one output.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Actually I force myself to use several Bitbet addresses
BingoBoingo: I only advertise the 1lvcunts as belonging to myself but superficial shit can reveal three moar.
benkay: well on an entirely different topic
BingoBoingo: Deeper analysis can reveal 8 addresses used that go back to me. Deeper still analysis and you need drugs
Plaxant: BingoBoingo drugs should always be needed
Vexual: i hope nubbins' puts a few illustrated blockchain pages in his book, or a whole encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: Plaxant: Drugs lik everything else should need consent.
pankkake: I like to have the same address, but I bet more for fun and pride
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what do you care about ./ anyway
herbijudlestoids: anyone seen that southpark episode about zimmeman
mircea_popescu: "My @YouTube career was born in my bedroom. @Google was born in @SusanWojcicki's garage. Big dreams have humble beginnings "
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's kind of a rush.I missed most of the actual action when I made it the first time driving into the Icy north.
mircea_popescu: jesus twitter is insanity.
benkay: herbijudlestoids if you ever link an autoplaying video again i will straight murder your face
herbijudlestoids: benkay: apologies. i have all my plugins to only load on click
benkay: jesus twitter
Vexual: hey herbi, schapeele might be getting out on the weekend, dya think abbot can fuck up her chances by then?
herbijudlestoids: Vexual: going on abbotts current track record?
Vexual: even money huh?
herbijudlestoids: plus the potential embarrasment for customs?
herbijudlestoids: id say so :P
herbijudlestoids: or i should say, it wouldnt surprise me
Vexual: war might wait til monday
herbijudlestoids: benkay: do you really let flash and whatnot just load in browser with no control?
herbijudlestoids: i got noscript, adblock, ad blocking /etc/hosts with ~15,000 hosts blocked...and i still dont let flash or java load unless i click it
benkay: congratulations, you obviously don't operate in derpy web application zone land.
BingoBoingo: Why not jsut use lynx?
mod6: lynx++
herbijudlestoids: benkay: derpy web applications dont break if you enable "click to load" on plugins...
benkay: hahaha
benkay: oh
benkay: ho ho ho ho ho
benkay: you have obviously spent much time debugging legacy javascript
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herbijudlestoids: also zone land is a tautology :P
benkay: language is poetry.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: What about Mario Zone?
nubbins`: receipt receipt
benkay: not programming.
BingoBoingo: We should make AltLang
BingoBoingo: Make it super Meta
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herbijudlestoids: benkay: so...youre saying that legacy javascript, breaks, if you enable "click to load" on, say, flash?
BingoBoingo: We will basically jsut change all of the labels on steelbank common lisp and offer it as an improvement on Javascript. Even give it a cute Doge pic
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benkay: i have learned the hard way to remove sources of indeterminacy from my stack
benkay: mystery browser plugins are a source of indeterminacy.
benkay: they always want to do crazy shit to the dom.
herbijudlestoids: ? which mystery browser plugin
benkay: isolate isolate isolate
herbijudlestoids: yo, you realise its a native feature in chrome and firefox right
nubbins`: herbijudlestoids, all the ones you listed
BingoBoingo: Altlang is going to be best lang
nubbins`: altlang syne
herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: the extensions i listed have nothing to do with "Click to Load" which is a native feature of modern browsers...
BingoBoingo: All this alpha shit is my garage is gonna go to the moon!
benkay: so then client relations - i want to demo a thing with the UX flow a client spent an ungodly amount of money on. i'm not going to ruin my demo with my personal settings.
herbijudlestoids: what i said precisely was that even despite those extensions, i still use click to load
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benkay: in any event
benkay: this is a stupid discussion.
herbijudlestoids: just incredulous
herbijudlestoids: cant believe people let plugins load auto
nubbins`: you are alone in your incredulity
benkay: yeah man
benkay: people just run java web apps all the time
benkay: what phone book of actual use story memos did you miss?
BingoBoingo: Because if it isn't niggers.txt, angles.txt, or saxons.txt it itsn't worth reading?
nubbins`: -assetsQuarterly.txt
nubbins`: some of the bash quotes, though funny, aren't fun to draw
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benkay: #49 is one of the better ones
herbijudlestoids: i gotta say, im used to hanging out with opinionated geeks, but yall have some of the weirdest forced opinions iv encountered
benkay: i want to see an illustration of vexual on the internet by accident
pankkake: don't forget to draw him upside down
ThickAsThieves: eccentricity gives +Agility
pankkake: also Australia
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You just aren't acclimated yet.
pankkake: I agree with herbijudlestoids
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You have serious potential to stay, but you need to depressurize the space suit and embrrace it.
herbijudlestoids: yeah, id prefer to ask questions than accept :)
benkay: breathe the hard vacuum of bitcoin
herbijudlestoids: i didnt come here to join an echo chamber, but i do try to keep an open mind and ask questions
benkay: bathe in the sweet sterilizing rays of non-dilutable currency
herbijudlestoids: i actually stayed because it seems like people are willing to answer those questions to a level that satisfies me
herbijudlestoids: (even if i disagree)
benkay: disagreement is the heart of discourse
benkay: it'd be boring if we all agreed all the time
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BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: The first rule of IRC is if it acts the way you anticipated something is wronger
benkay: unless freenode is under ddos
herbijudlestoids: what kind of dicks ddos freenode anyway, i want to know
BingoBoingo: benkay: But that is GHCQBBQOMGWTF
benkay: who cares
benkay: it's a fact of life
herbijudlestoids: well, if its JTRIG, i want to know
benkay: beyond my pay grade, mate
nubbins`: i accept it
ThickAsThieves: the Brits did it right?
nubbins`: let the s be dd if it wishes
mircea_popescu: <herbijudlestoids> i gotta say, im used to hanging out with opinionated geeks, but yall have some of the weirdest forced opinions iv encountered << bs. nobody here has any opinions.
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mircea_popescu: THEY BE FACTS
BingoBoingo: RichardSherman.txt
nubbins`: i actually opine fairly often
jayk: lol
nubbins`: usually right tho
BingoBoingo: Aka why the superbowl was as boring as fuck
jayk: he sprained his ankle
jayk: sherman was visible upset he wasn't able to show off
jayk: or run his mouf
jayk: got carted off the field ...
mircea_popescu: and now for the real reason herbijudlestoids' decided to stay :
BingoBoingo: jayk: Shut yout mouth. When he was on the field he crippled Denver, they coudn't dar to try going long.
jayk: i live in seattle we had a parade today, 750K showed up
jayk: seattle police only expected about 300 maybe 350K
jayk: sherman didn't do much during the superbowl and got injured :P
the20year2: what parade?
jayk: for the seahawks
the20year2: oh nice
the20year2: they deserve it
jayk: biggest event ever in the history of seattle
the20year2: Good for them
BingoBoingo: jayk: He did everything the first 3 and 1/3 quarters.
benkay: bread and circuses.
BingoBoingo: jayk: What about Ken Griffey Jr.
jayk: bigger than the worlds fair
jayk: bigger than ken griffey
jayk: bigger than any baseball game
BingoBoingo: jayk: I dunno... How many stereos did da union take during Stl's 2011 world series parades...
jayk: well i meant just for seattle
jayk: sorry :)
jayk: i didn't go specifically because people are probably still trying to get home..
BingoBoingo: jayk: It's ok. You can have this totally unwatchable superbowl (for denver reasons)
jayk: a lot of people turned it off 3/4's into it
jayk: i was reading about ad placement and the 3/4 time spot was supposed to be the hottest
mircea_popescu: how did the ad numbers look ?
jayk: which was where the placed the longest commercial at 2 minutes
jayk: dunno
ozbot: New lawsuit against Bitcoin miner manufacturer alleges fraud, negligence | Ars Technica
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ads got sold for a lot and were seen little
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10111 @ 0.00093383 = 9.442 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo %s vs last year ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I don't see an alternative. I went to bed after half time. The game was so poorly matched.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 689 @ 0.00093268 = 0.6426 BTC [-]
jayk: that's going to get ugly
mircea_popescu: was just curious what teh ppl report themselves. afaik it was a complete disaster and probably the turning point for the entire sport
mircea_popescu: but hey.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I appreciate that as a competitor a great game is humiliating the competition. As a spectator though. I honestly prefer what the BCS offered, an exciting game won as an accident of time.
jayk: i didnt know there was a BFL scam list
BingoBoingo: For the college championsip 10 seconds either way on the clock would have changed the win. This Winning by everything sort of game should be a forgetable regular season game.
jayk: wow i was getting ready to possibly pay them some monies :(
BingoBoingo: jayk: If you want I mining bond I can offer you BTC equivalent to 0.0125 ml of natural gas per day.
jayk: oh?
BingoBoingo: Of course, I can sell 10 of those mining bonds.
jayk: once this shell fish ban on china passes i can go back to selling them at $50/lb
jayk: have you seen those things?
jayk: i live on an island
jayk: rich in clams
Vexual: whats that jayk?
jayk: biggest clam in the world
jayk: geoducks are 5lb clams
Vexual: you grow clams?
BingoBoingo: Geoduck?
jayk: maybe 8lb if you get lucky
jayk: nope i dig them
BingoBoingo: Is that a pokeman?
jayk: no
jayk: i guess i could say i "mine" them
jayk: hehehe
Vexual: where do you sell them?
jayk: restaurants or dry ice over seas
Vexual: into china?
Mats_cd03: mmm clams
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jayk: they are breeding them now, they were worthless 20 years ago
ozbot: Geoduck industry fighting China’s shellfish-import ban | Business & Technology | The Seattle Times
BingoBoingo: Fuck, when does bobsled start, or luge. Betting on hockey is boring.
Vexual: you just dhl em over on ice?
jayk: dhl moved out of usa
jayk: but yes
jayk: as a kid i could dig 200lbs in an hour
jayk: i didnt know any better and threw them into the garden as fertilizer
jayk: for tomato plants
Vexual: wheres an agrucultural scientician when you need em huh?
jayk: lol
mircea_popescu: jayk mmm clams.
Vexual: there he is
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jayk: oh
jayk: they are tasty in pesto sauce
herbijudlestoids: mmm pesto
Vexual: how do they eat them in china?
jayk: idk
mircea_popescu: no clam chowder ?
jayk: clam chowder is a lot of work to make
Vexual: how much copper nitrate can they cope with? :)
nubbins`: clam chowder isn't too bad prep-wis
nubbins`: lot of separate ingredients to buy, but it's a single-pot meal
jayk: 3hours?
jayk: potatoes take a long time
nubbins`: not 3 hours
nubbins`: 20-30 minutes spread over 3 hours
nubbins`: that's like saying sourdough is a lot of work because it takes 8 hours to make 2 loaves
jayk: heh
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jayk: nobody wants to wait for their delicious chowder ow...
nubbins`: i'll spend 3-4 hours cooking a meal several days per week
Vexual: lets get nigella in for the brochure, she will have a 20 minute version
nubbins`: the other day, i simmered a dozen sausages in a pot of pasta sauce for an hour and a half ;(
jayk: i have never made it though i have been thinking about it
nubbins`: the only problem is that it's a costly meal because you have to buy so many different types of seafood
Vexual: yes, its so china
jayk: i could get the clams for free
nubbins`: but you get a huge pot of it afterwards
jayk: the ground has been so cold here i bet my potatoes are still hard from last year
nubbins`: i cellared a few sacks of potatoes today
cazalla: is it even worth your time to grow potatoes?
jayk: yes
cazalla: i grow stuff i can't pick up at the fruit shop
nubbins`: cazalla: again, it's not much effort
nubbins`: it's just spread over a long period of time
jayk: i probably have 1000lbs in the ground or more
cazalla: not so much the effort but the space they take up
jayk: they are easy to grow
nubbins`: you can grow potatoes in containers, it's what i've done
nubbins`: tall wicker baskets, even a burlap sack
nubbins`: or go fancy and spend $20 on lumber to build a potato box
cazalla: i've read you can grow them vertically but i've also read people posting that it doesn't work
jayk: i tried to grow onions but my ducks trampeled over them
nubbins`: get 100lbs of potatoes out of it
Vexual: do you pick 100 or 1000 lbs by hand?
jayk: yes with shovel
cazalla: my tomatoes have been shit this year, constant heat wave has just ruined them
jayk: i only picked about 50lbs
nubbins`: the deck wouldn't support 1000, it's rickety
nubbins`: my tomatoes were pretty good this year
nubbins`: the broccoli all bolted when i was away for two weeks
jayk: a dear destroyed all my tomatoes
Vexual: my mangoes were stellar
jayk: next year i will use fencing
jayk: or guns
nubbins`: armed sentries
nubbins`: farmed sentries
cazalla: sentry would be sweet
Vexual: i sent an email to batman and no fruitbats came within a mile
nubbins`: oh, peas
nubbins`: i had so many goddamn peas this year
nubbins`: well, last year
nubbins`: forgot it's feb ;(
Vexual: now thats a nice thing to eat very fresh is peas
cazalla: summer is almost over here so i'll be looking forward to winter for the snow peas
jayk: mmm peas are so good
jayk: can eat them all day
nubbins`: yeah
Vexual: mmm snowpeas
nubbins`: i tried sugar sprint peas this year
nubbins`: really tasty
nubbins`: really fast too
cazalla: do you need a trellis for those
ozbot: Snap pea 'Sugar Sprint' Plant Care & Growing Information | folia
nubbins`: i used bamboo rods, sorta worked
nubbins`: trellis would be better
nubbins`: or even several rods per pot, teepee style
nubbins`: grew 'em in empty 2L milk containers
Vexual: excellent food delivered world wide by jet and all bitcoin should be a thing
nubbins`: drone delivery
herbijudlestoids: harrrrrrrrr
herbijudlestoids: fucken cunts
herbijudlestoids: i work, with fucken cunts
nubbins`: this type of milk container, if the top is fully opened, is just deep enough for peas and easy to move by hand:
nubbins`: herb, quit
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herbijudlestoids: i own a chunk of the company, dont want to quit
herbijudlestoids: i want them to spend money on servers and switching instead of conferences and meetpus
mircea_popescu: jesus! so all my life i was of the opinion i can identify diabethics, because i smell it on their breath. bunches of people thought this nutty.
nubbins`: sweet
mircea_popescu: talking to doctor person today i find out that a. in diabethics the body uses a lot of fat, creating a lot of ketones
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: ketoacidosis?
mircea_popescu: which eventually decarboxylate into acetone
mircea_popescu: which eventually gets lost through respiration.
mircea_popescu: (the guy asks me "well, what does it smell like ?" "apples" "but ofcourse. you're smelling acetone.")
Vexual: something clever
mircea_popescu: never fucking doubt what you know!
herbijudlestoids: or just google to confirm :P
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
nubbins`: incidentally, this is where the whole "huffing on your fingernails before rubbing them on your lapel" thing came from
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids don't work with cunts. you play any poker ?
herbijudlestoids: i dont play poker
Namworld: You guys should see Bitfinex right now.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids mkay. anyway, the idea is you ditch a hand when you know it can't win, not when you're comfortable with the loss.
Namworld: Someone managed to put a micro ask order for 500 USD/BTC and a bid for 10000 USD/BTC, which are now stuck there.
mircea_popescu: bitfinex still exists ?!
Namworld: Let's just say it's breaking having on the shorts/calls
Namworld: Yes. I was talking about it last month
mircea_popescu: how do all the scams keep going about like fucking zombies i'll never know./
Namworld: Saying how it was lasting a long time while I expected it to go under within a month.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: if i didnt think the company was about to grow by about 1000% i wouldnt be working here :)
Namworld: Mircea, there's a lot of people trading on Bitfinex.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids a ok then. you don't REALLY think they're cunts huh.
nubbins`: well if it's gonna do that, fuck the servers and switching ;p
nubbins`: go to 2x as many "meetups"
mircea_popescu: Namworld sucks for them i guess.
Namworld: They can be seen on the Bitcoin price/market/speculation channels. Lot of people short/call on there.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: theyre cunts because i should be in charge and everyone should listen to me and do as i say but they dont
Namworld: I'm on like 20 BTC related channels, watching
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids kinda proves they shouldn't.
cazalla: tickles my ego when i know what mircea_popescu is going to say before it's said
mircea_popescu: cazalla :)
herbijudlestoids: let me clarify. they are not cunts, until something goes wrong in exactly the way that i predicted if we went down a particular path
herbijudlestoids: then, they are cunts.
mircea_popescu: tell them :D
mircea_popescu: what do they say ?
herbijudlestoids: mostly that things are the way they are
mircea_popescu: i'll bet you an altcoin this thing isn't growing 1000% in three months.
Vexual: hey im at this luch, sounds like a good idea
herbijudlestoids: 3-6 months is actually the timeframe
mircea_popescu: take it or leave it :D
nubbins`: just think your very own altcoin
nubbins`: you could call it herbijudlestoidscoin
mircea_popescu: that you can now owe :D
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nono, i meant tat's thing
mircea_popescu: one of them
Vexual: can't owe for a lunch
nubbins`: i know ;(
mircea_popescu: cazalla you know, i'm developing a serious problem with that.
mircea_popescu: people keep knowing what i'm gonna say and say it first just to spite me
mircea_popescu: im gonna borrow Vexual's chainz just to mess with people.
Vexual: um, yeah, sure
cazalla: i wouldn't do that, i see at as evidence i'm actually learning something
cazalla: it*
nubbins`: don't mess with the man's jewelry
Vexual: yeah its ok
Vexual: i guess
Vexual: im not here for a haircut
nubbins`: who is?! buy clippers
herbijudlestoids: i think after my company gets bought out im gonna just try and find some small/simple linux sysadmin work
Vexual: a spoonful of cement perhaps
ozbot: dpaste: #1587985
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids why not find some small/simple sex work ?
mircea_popescu: like teaching a bunch of teenagers to enjoy walking naked about town ?
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: or giving out handies for bitcents
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: im probly far less qualified? and i love working as a linux sysadmin on small projects?
herbijudlestoids: im sick of this scale shit
herbijudlestoids: running thousands of cores
Vexual: quit
herbijudlestoids: well, not quit, but buyout
Vexual: but the cunts remain
herbijudlestoids: i just have one last extremely large cloud to build
herbijudlestoids: maybe ill even get a job in a bookstore or something nice and simple like that
Vexual: lol
mircea_popescu: maybe you could work for mr bookman.
Vexual: ill do your tax
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: thats two seinfeld quotes, fan? i grew up watching it
herbijudlestoids: "its european" and "mr bookman"
mircea_popescu: i probably watched each episode twenty times.
Vexual: it was all that was on television here for 10 years
herbijudlestoids: :D do you like curb your enthusiasm?
herbijudlestoids: lol vex yea
mircea_popescu: i never watched that.
herbijudlestoids: woah what!
Vexual: trilema
mircea_popescu: o nm, i did watch five minutes of it. larry david is being awkward while a girlscout selling him cookies gets her period.
mircea_popescu: it sounds way better in that summary than it actually was.
herbijudlestoids: i always grew up thinking each of the seinfeld characters has their own special quirks
herbijudlestoids: but then i watched curb your enthusiasm and realised they are all just bits of larry david
mircea_popescu: i would say larry david's contribution into the show is roughly represented by his total pay.
mircea_popescu: he made what, like 50mn to seinfeld's 1bn ?
herbijudlestoids: ? his net worth is 750mn
Vexual: im sending chapelle corby the seinfeld box
Namworld: [23:19] <mircea_popescu> like teaching a bunch of teenagers to enjoy walking naked about town ?
Namworld: I'd be all for lifting ban on lack of clothing everywhere.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: $ 20 or so.
jayk: wasn't mr bookman allergic to kamers shirt?
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nubbins`: you'll need to be unconscious and naked to fly within 10 years, just saying
herbijudlestoids: cuntbreak over, back to cunting
Vexual: big bada boom in the cab nubbins'
mircea_popescu: Namworld hardly worth doing without the ban.
Namworld: I don't see why. It's supposed to be done strictly to go against the rules?
mircea_popescu: Namworld i generally don't want to see random people naked.
mircea_popescu: i want to see specific people naked and that's all.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the awkwardness and disability of the general folk the ban supports and nourishes serves as an adequate representation of their general mental and social inferiority.
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Namworld: Oh, I'd certainly prefer to only see specific people moving around naked and others not.
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mircea_popescu: so then there you go. ban serves a useful purpose.
Vexual: what kinda lead time can i expect for a vespa with vex on the numberplate in romania?
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Namworld: I would be okay if the ban simply wasn't there at all. Simply because it's silly.
mircea_popescu: Vexual i have no idea. a few weeks /
Vexual: the plate neednt be actual
mircea_popescu: Namworld many silly things are required for society to function.
Namworld: Perhaps. But is that really required for society to function?
Vexual: food
Vexual: and the odd sensible person
drstevebrule: is that chat about bitcoin markets? because BFX is fucked right now
Namworld: I was mentioning that earlier.
drstevebrule: if not, what channel do I go to? cause this is a shit show
Vexual: what of your life boat seteve?
ozbot: Deer droppings lead to artistic protest in Penticton - British Columbia - CBC News
Vexual: shit that looks like the lamb that brought the fear
nubbins`: well, doctor, this is as good a place as any to voice your displeasure
nubbins`: Vexual, it makes me feel funny
drstevebrule: I told you guys, Im relaxing in my life boat, everyone is starting to really scramble for one now
nubbins`: that's a lovely wooden stand it's on, though
Vexual: ug the stand is too two dimensional
nubbins`: deers can't stand on curved surfaces
nubbins`: you're thinking goats
mircea_popescu: drstevebrule say wut ?
mircea_popescu: o, bitfinex ? dude, srsly, it was identified as a scam a while back, what did you think ?
Namworld: Was it?
mircea_popescu: is that your prime minister nubs ?
drstevebrule: every exchange is on crack these days, you can't win haha
nubbins`: the duck? he resigned
ozbot: MPOE-PR's list of things you always suspected were scams but never dared say so.
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Vexual: are we allowed vimeo?
nubbins`: sure, why not
drstevebrule: BFX seems hacked right now, there is a 10,000 bid that is making me take out more margin then I should actually be allowed to take out
drstevebrule: its a shit show
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Namworld: Oh... I wouldn't as much label it as a scam than incompetence. Although does the distinction between the two really matter? Same result.
mircea_popescu: i doubt the distinction matters practically.
Namworld: But yeah
Namworld: Yes, it's pretty funny, DrSteve
ozbot: KOSHEEN - "GONE" - YouTube
drstevebrule: that is a really nice painting of our prime minister...
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mircea_popescu: drstevebrule this isn't the first time with them, either. one of the two kids split a few months ago, he had a lot of dirt to share re his friend
mircea_popescu: somehow tho, people never do much research.
Namworld: There's only one "Gone" video for me... this remix:
drstevebrule: well I didn't do much research, maybe I should hang out here more. I hope I don't get ripped off
mircea_popescu: you probably will, as in general i've noticed people join here after being ripped off.
mircea_popescu: befre, they're kings of all matters financial.
drstevebrule: haha don't say that, i was not ripped off yet
Vexual: yeah ive redirected you subscrip[tion to bears monthly
Vexual: not relly
mircea_popescu: now i know i've made it.
nubbins`: you can mute if you like
Vexual: i can handle it
ozbot: Think you know everything bitcoin? Meet Mircea Popescu of Romania
Vexual: welcome to yesterday
drstevebrule: wow, i really am not good enough to be here. fuck - sorry guys
mircea_popescu: and now it's time for...
ozbot: Animaniacs - Nighty Night Toons - YouTube
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ozbot: Deepest Mandelbrot Set Zoom Animation ever - a New Record 10^275 (2.1E275 or 2^915) - YouTube
nubbins`: i actually had to turn it off
Vexual: quite deep
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