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mircea_popescu: "The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're really working for T
mircea_popescu: he Man (but with no pension.) That's the system. Cut SSI payments and those docs-- and nurses and etc-- don't get paid."
mircea_popescu: there we go.
asciilifeform: yes, that one.
mircea_popescu: you know he deleted the original ?
asciilifeform: wait srsly ?
asciilifeform read it years ago
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Terrible, Awful Truth About Supplemental Security Income ... ( http://bit.ly/15FzqTx )
TheNewDeal: bingo are you saying middle west because of the woman's size, or the foliage?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i agreed because of the item collection.
trinque: could be louisiana... could be florida...
trinque: it's not as though they confine those things to a single state
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: foilage, trashiness of the dudes, vehicles, and woman's size.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he ever say, why deleted ?
mircea_popescu: some unspecified drama, but now.
TheNewDeal: this article is golden
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not sure, but seems more civilized.
BingoBoingo: Important things clearly labeled there
decimation: m. danton's sans-culottes didn't need laws or instructions to know who their enemies were and what to do
mats: http://dockets.justia.com/docket/circuit-courts/ca4/08-6324 << a brief amusement. someone with the surname Merica gave their son a middle name beginning with A.
assbot: US v. Rickey Merica :: Justia Dockets & Filings ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXj8By )
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal most of what the man ever writes is golden. and unlike derps like moldbug or orlov, he a) isn't putting annoyingly self-advertising and b) doesn't actually have a pro-state agenda
mircea_popescu: decimation on one hand yes they did, on the other hand they fucked it all up.
TheNewDeal: Is this the same programmer guy who had psychiatric problems?
mats: i was under the impression most here believed the fracture of the Internet as it is now is inevitable
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mr mold started with a very different kind of 'state agenda' (poorly articulated desire to... resurrect the stuart kings) and ended with... andreesen horowitz
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Terrible, Awful Truth About The Debt Ceiling ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXjnwc )
mircea_popescu: no, he's a clinician afaik
TheNewDeal: I remember someone giving a blog before that was almost always on psychiatric issues
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the stuarts of all people ?!
TheNewDeal: I even remember some of the memorabilia on his website that had some catchy pschiatric puns on them
asciilifeform: afaik it was an example. he wanted to somehow bring the pre-ww1 dynasties back.
asciilifeform: cargo cult.
asciilifeform: but at least started with vaguely correct cargo.
TheNewDeal: BingoBoingo do you have any clue what blog I'm talking about? You may have referenced him before
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Not at the moment. Maybe you can be more specific.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fact is, mr mold was not always a whore; iirc, he did run out of money, and descended into whoring from lack of a plan
TheNewDeal: The guy had some of the most advanced discussions on anti-depressants and anti-psychotics that i'd seen before on a blog
asciilifeform: quite likely somebody conveniently 'happened' to be near, to ease him onto the cock
mircea_popescu: well i only paid attention for a shoirt time and late on
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 90+% of the 'good' mold is from '07-'10
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Most Important Article On Psychiatry You Will Ever Read ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXk34Z )
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: With the rum fountain?
asciilifeform: mr mold's audience is not mircea_popescu but rather an intelligent student from somewhere in usa with some curiosity about 20th century but no knowledge of euro languages and only a faint idea of civilization
mircea_popescu: i am deeply suspicious of segmented audiences.
decimation: because it's quite possible to graduate from high school in the us without actually learning anything about civilization or languages
asciilifeform: inevitably, this is an unappetizing product if you aren't the target. like a chinese motorcycle, belching black devil smoke as it goes at 20k/hr
asciilifeform: if your last car was an ox - great.
mircea_popescu: "So it is inevitable that a deal will be struck by August 2, because that deal doesn't actually mean anything. This a is husband and wife arguing about rebalancing the household budget, each pretending they aren't going to pay the electric until he's agreed to cut back on beer and she's agreed not to be such a bitch. Whether they do it or not is irrelevant, the electric's still getting paid. The electric always gets
mircea_popescu: paid, it has to, we need it for the chairs."
TheNewDeal: hmm it's not looking entirely familiar but I'm going to have to page through it.
asciilifeform: steve dutch had an almost identical explanation of same
asciilifeform: it's reasonably common knowledge in usa
mircea_popescu: reading that whole site's never been a bad use of anyone's time
asciilifeform: (the basic mechanics)
mircea_popescu: cheaper than trilema, too
decimation: I remember when moldbug put up his first 'begging' post - it was obvious the gig was up
asciilifeform got into reading tlp when was on the wild ragged outskirts of pharma racket
asciilifeform: (usg lab)
asciilifeform: decimation: he said what i believe was the truth in that post - ran out of money, given as his winnings from 'dotcom' idiocy were not enough to live an entire life as a cultured man, but only about a decade
asciilifeform: 'even with plenty of fairly successful precious metal speculation' were, iirc, his words
asciilifeform: i'm not in a position to say what he ought to have done instead of, well, what he did.
mircea_popescu: most of the women i pick up manage to live their lives and pay their rents without any dotcom gifts or "speculation".
asciilifeform: they aren't trying to live as cultured man.
mircea_popescu: whatever that means.
asciilifeform: mr mold's example was, if i recall, his '300/mo. book bill'
mircea_popescu: this entire discussion is about 50k worth of wood pulp ?!
asciilifeform: ask him how he blew his load
asciilifeform: i have only a faint clue
asciilifeform: for example, we know that he decided to have not one but even two childre
asciilifeform: while 'running out of money'
decimation: well, buying real estate near san francisco was probably his first mistake
mircea_popescu: i thought we were discussing an abstract model of "the cultured man"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i doubt the man decided anything in there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he presumably picked wife, rather than being issued one
asciilifeform: as in the army joke
mircea_popescu: odds are, woman decided to have children, his choice was whether to pay a lawyer AND the woman orjust the woman.
mircea_popescu: i know very few us men that pick wife.
asciilifeform: 'sapper errs twice, once when choosing profession'
TheNewDeal: BingoBoingo this definitely is one of the article I was reading > I remember seeing the receptors lined up as a fountain
mircea_popescu: generally, the sort of overgrown boy that doesn't shoot his own horse is in no position to pick anything. woman picks like at the fair.
BingoBoingo: The Rum fountain. No author appears to be a forensic pyschiatrist as he self describes.
asciilifeform: back to 'cultured man' - i'd say that living 'life of the mind' in usa is not cheap. regardless of what kind of hero you might be. a dwelling without random bozos sharing it, for instance, is $xxxx/mo.
asciilifeform: anywhere, afaik, in usa, but the wildest wolf forest or the meanest urban ash heap
mircea_popescu: by the way : is the vc circus of the belief that the well proven, on the courthouse record, role of one of the "big four" accounting companies in asset inflation and bubble pumping has been forgotten ?
mircea_popescu: rethorical question, not for they present, but for the absent if avid readers.
asciilifeform: arthur anderson ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in ohio ? $300.
asciilifeform: ohio - wolf
decimation: lol even in ohio a place near civilization is around $1000
mircea_popescu: ;;google Arthur Anderson enron accounting scandal
gribble: Arthur Andersen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Andersen>; Enron scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_scandal>; Arthur Anderson Auditors and Enron: What happened to their Texas ...: <http://www.aabri.com/manuscripts/11899.pdf>
mircea_popescu: decimation civilisation comes out of a utp cable.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: everybody remembers arthur anderson
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if only!
decimation: utp - cannot eat
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm paying 'book bill' that isn't that much lower than mr mold
asciilifeform: library subscription, even (they are as we speak sc4mz0r1ing nickel&dime by pretending a certain volume was not returned. mega-lol)
asciilifeform: not everything is on the net. this is a fact.
decimation: asciilifeform: you can go down to the library of congress physically
asciilifeform: in certain professions one does not have the luxury of arbitrarily proclaiming 'if not on the net, doesn't exist'
asciilifeform: decimation: time is money
asciilifeform: sitting in loc with spy camera - laborious.
BingoBoingo: LoC does not lend
asciilifeform: see above.
decimation: heh do they even allow cameras? or do you have to be sneaky?
asciilifeform: officially, most academic libraries in usa forbid private cameras.
asciilifeform: i've never heard of anyone being thrown out for having one as of yet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cultured right ?
asciilifeform: esp. in the age of the Pnohe
asciilifeform tries for cultured
mircea_popescu: well look. this is like playing patanque in a boat.
mircea_popescu: so, if "cultured man" is some sort of scholarly gentleman, then one needs some rather commonly available books.
asciilifeform: neh i ought to have been more specific.
asciilifeform: what i meant was, someone whose primary avocation is thinking. and yes, it is possible to do this in a forest, in log cabin, like unabomber.
asciilifeform: but not typical.
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asciilifeform: at any rate, it isn't about the bookz.
asciilifeform: price other, more mundane things, in usa. like 'have 100+ m^2 dwelling to yourself, with climate control, one that isn't falling apart'
asciilifeform: 'eat non-recycled food'
asciilifeform: 'sleep ad libitum'
asciilifeform can't even afford ^ yet
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asciilifeform: 'sleep ad libitum' costs ~100kusd+ of specifically -non-wage- income, for example.
decimation: asciilifeform: for 'passive investments' available to the public, that implies a net worth of > $3 mil
asciilifeform: at least.
asciilifeform: add a zero if you want complete isolation from economic reality
asciilifeform: add two zeros if going for total isolation including expatriation on a day's notice
decimation: of course, in an account that isn't locked away by some deal with usg re: taxes
mats: BingoBoingo: at a later date, i'd like some assistance with reviewing and rating materials from the courts-circus project. would you be interested?
asciilifeform: goes without saying when said 'income'
asciilifeform: chump money that you 'have' somewhere - is not income.
BingoBoingo: mats: Maybe. Still experiencing brainrot for IRL reddit this weekend so am hesitant to make commitments atm.
asciilifeform: http://www.irky.org/home/pogoplug_jtag << jtag pinouts for 'pogo'. he has a v2 (not 4) but pinout is same.
assbot: pogoplug_jtag - Irky ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXnHM8 )
decimation: asciilifeform: does it have a header already installed (v4)?
BingoBoingo: mats: I'll probably be amenable to assisting though.
asciilifeform: decimation: nope.
asciilifeform: decimation: it isn't standard (2.54mm) pitch, either.
asciilifeform: just solder on naked wires with pinsockets on other end and be done with it.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> but not typical. << so much bs. looky here : henry miller did just fine, bumming bowls of soup.
asciilifeform: yes, diogenes did fine in barrel.
asciilifeform: to demand that every thinker be diogenes ?!
mircea_popescu: because back then the average american understood himself as a peniless tramp, that's fortunate to even be allowed in europe at all.
mircea_popescu: seems a lot more productive. the exiled russian thinkers did pretty good in ny. a lot better, at any rate, than the nysu "professors"
asciilifeform: heaviside, for instance, couldn't really think without standing next to a monstrous roaring gas flame (he actually had to smash a pipe)
asciilifeform: ask him to go in barrel, sure.
asciilifeform: ask j.c.maxwell to give up his horse and hunting ground.
mats: BingoBoingo: ok.
asciilifeform: still equations? maybe yes. maybe no.
assbot: mame/quine-relay · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXoht9 )
asciilifeform: ask lord kelvin to work for a living, while at it.
mircea_popescu: so the problem here is thjat some peniless tramp gave himself a lordship that he then couldn't finance ?
mircea_popescu: seems rather the opposite of either cultured or man.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think of it this way. space probe has radiotherm battery.
asciilifeform: it's good for ~30 years. after that - brick.
asciilifeform: 'it gave itself a lordship it couldn't finance' ?
asciilifeform: if i could live like, e.g., taleb, for 20 years, with the understanding of being impaled after - i would. i don't particularly need being fifty for anything.
mircea_popescu: mats: its hilarious that anyone wanted to pay so much as 1mn for blockchain.info << you are thinking money as in, someone earned / saved these. that's not what's happening there : they're spending money that was simply created by yellen / conjured up by accounting fraud / etc.
mircea_popescu: these two are incomparable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is where we differ. i would live like no man, and i would impale anyone trying.
decimation: ben_vulpes: lol
asciilifeform: 'like taleb' ~~= 'sleep ad libitum'
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asciilifeform: used him as example because folks here all (?) read him and mr t expounds at great length re: 'what it means to really live'
mircea_popescu: yeah but the problem is still exposed : to live like one pleases specifically can not carry a rider of time limited.
mircea_popescu: it breaks the entire construction.
asciilifeform: we all get time-limited, lol
asciilifeform: just not as neatly.
asciilifeform: who did first rate maths after 50? erdos? can't think of more than one or two names
assbot: As inequality soars, the nervous super rich are already planning their escapes | Public Leaders Network | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXp5OL )
decimation: oil is a terrible store of value - it halved in only a few weeks! it's a good idea though, I'm going to wait for the next generation of chemical energy movement & storage
asciilifeform: 'buying airstrips and farms in remote areas' - what, farming with their own hands!? lol
decimation: re: lifetime < 'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
decimation: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole piece is a neat summary of just how idiotic the demo is.
mircea_popescu: really, look, rich people are affraid of reddit!111
mircea_popescu: occupy mattered!!11
decimation: except the rich jew who owns it?
mircea_popescu: shut up and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
asciilifeform: article << mega-snore
asciilifeform: 3qu4l1ty!
mircea_popescu: no it's informatively stupid.
decimation: well, there was a time for getting out of Paris
mircea_popescu: like a discussion among 12 yo boys about what makes women sluts.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my understanding is that most folks in usa get mental picture of 'what the rich do' from film
asciilifeform: just like to them 'economics is what happens at the grocery counter' (from mircea_popescu article ?)
decimation: asciilifeform: do you think that 'actual rich' don't get ideas from film too?
asciilifeform: 'the actual rich' as a monolithic whole is, i dare say, a fictional trope as well
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asciilifeform: anything i, for instance, might say about the genuinely rich (folks entirely and permanently insulated from economic reality, who can finance wars, etc.) is likely to be laughably wrong - what i know of them is largely like what i know of the wonderful fish that live kilometres below in the sea - that is, stemming largely from inference using physical fact and thirdhand clues
asciilifeform: decimation: what is he supposed to do? he already bought 'sleep ad libitum'
decimation: heh yeah might as well buy personal town for his toys
decimation: actually compared to 'rich men' of the past, folks with mere $ billions are rather poor
asciilifeform: perhaps after usg implodes he can buy some people to fill it with
asciilifeform: living by period rules
decimation: j.p. morgan singlehandly bailed out banking ca. 1907
asciilifeform: decimation: aha. quite a few of them, for instance, probably have difficulty even buying sex safely
asciilifeform: 'progressives' like to trot out examples of 'the people of the past could not buy an ipNohe for any price'
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2015 04:45:19; mircea_popescu: decimation it's as fucking unbriliant as a lump of coal. at the end of the week, instead of having a decent steak and a game of bridge with intellgient people,
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2015 04:45:31; mircea_popescu: you're stuck hiding in your gated compound from imaginary niggers.
asciilifeform: the say 'richest king could not buy a plasma tv'
asciilifeform: to which i answer, today's richest king cannot buy quite a few things that common beggar had a century ago.
asciilifeform: like a functioning culture
asciilifeform: or rather, gemeinschaft
decimation: right. w.r.t. stuff, we are 'rich', but w.r.t. people, we are all poor
asciilifeform: (more specifically)
decimation: even if herr koch wanted to create a 'functional german hamlet' from ukraine, (for instance), how could he possibly do it without making it like disneyland?
asciilifeform: the only kind of animal in a disneyland is - stuffed.
TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal
asciilifeform: i do not know enough about koch to say whether he is likely to become a post-usg sovereign who might conceivably carry out experiments with artificial fucktopias
asciilifeform: possibly it'll be his driver, who will cut off his head and display it on a pike to a cheering crowd, and not him
decimation: I suspect 'rich in bezzlars' will not convey post-usg sovereignty
asciilifeform: not automatically, no
decimation: 'rich in oil' maybe
asciilifeform: rich in difficult-throats-cut-on-demand.
asciilifeform: everything else - from it.
asciilifeform rather than crapping out further conjecture re: deep ocean fish - goes to bed.
decimation: aye, m. danton-style. the trouble is, there's always herr guillotine waiting for yezhov
decimation: good night sir
decimation: !down decimation
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'the actual rich' as a monolithic whole is, i dare say, a fictional trope as well << what, and i suppose the island of beautiful women doens't exist, either ?!
mircea_popescu: decimation> j.p. morgan singlehandly bailed out banking ca. 1907 << nah, it was more like teh mp effect.
mircea_popescu: generaly confidence crises can be unwound by a party universally trusted that's techniocally competent
mircea_popescu: that's kinda how the notion of the central banker was born. it does make economic / financial sense.
mircea_popescu: however, not in the current bastardization
mircea_popescu: (the college professor also makes intellectual sense, but the current day implementation has nothing to do with the thing that makes sense - "why is he a professor ? " "because all these people know him, respect him and wish to be his studends" vs "why are you his student ?" "because hes the professor"
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'progressives' like to trot out examples of 'the people of the past could not buy an ipNohe for any price' << except current folk can not get stuff like... tomatoes, for any price.
mircea_popescu: or, in most cases, a competent cunt.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i do not know enough about koch to say < i do. he's old. this is a game for men, not for codgers.
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mircea_popescu: !up Newar
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punkman: "blocked from the network by their peers for as a little as a day for minor infractions such as slowing down SNet with file-sharing outside prescribed hours, with lifetime bans for violations like distributing pornography."
punkman: no porn lol
mircea_popescu: "We don't mess with anybody. All we want to do is play games, share healthy ideas. We don't try to influence the government or what's happening in Cuba ... We do the right thing and they let us keep at it."
mircea_popescu: speaking of the derps behind the derpage : "Sara Miller McCune was born into a middle-class Jewish family in Manhattan. She was international president of B'nai B'rith Girls at the age of 19, and has spoken of the importance of tzedakah."
mircea_popescu: check out what's notable on wikipedia :D
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you want to hang someone for the horrible state of publishing and/or us business culture these days, she's as good as anyone.
fluffypony: have we discussed the Croatian president yet?
fluffypony: Greece could learn from that
mircea_popescu: sort-of an social sciences o'reilly.
mircea_popescu: o wow srsly ?
mircea_popescu: uh. Ivo Josipović
mircea_popescu: whay u scam me!
fluffypony: Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic
mircea_popescu: o wow, right you are. yeap
fluffypony: beat Ivo
mircea_popescu: next month
mircea_popescu: ;;google Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović nude
gribble: Borba za Sinčićeve birače: Što nude Josipović i Kolinda? — RTL ...: <http://www.rtl.hr/vijesti/novosti/predsjednicki-izbori/1466805/borba-za-sinciceve-birace-sto-nude-josipovic-i-kolinda/>; Video: Borba za Sinčićeve birače: Što nude Josipović i Kolinda ...: <http://www.rtl.hr/video/vijesti/60838/borba-za-sinciceve-birace-sto-nude-josipovic-i-kolinda/>; Što Ivo (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: and on that note... i'm off.
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punkman: aaaand it's gone!
mats: itsa winter wonderland!
mats: i am disappointed the snow is not piled higher. this is not the apocalypse i was promised!
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jurov: asciilifeform: it's http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/ , the "ml." was my mistake
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Naphex: http://vimeo.com/116605178 Delve essays just keep getting better
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mircea_popescu: mats: i am disappointed the snow is not piled higher. this is not the apocalypse i was promised! << usg makes a habit to overpromise and underdeliver.
mircea_popescu: !up p15_
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the only kind of animal in a disneyland is - stuffed. << Plenty of cats to eat the mice and rats.
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davout: dat CVE
mircea_popescu: davout wow.
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mircea_popescu: !up mapop
mircea_popescu: veronique Loquet - AL'X Communication vloquet at alx-communication.com << she found it.
mircea_popescu: nah scratch that, she's just pr.
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TomServo: Ha, wouldn't that be something.
mircea_popescu: ;;isup sourceware.org
gribble: sourceware.org is down
assbot: sourceware.org Git - glibc.git/commitdiff ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLj1sr )
BingoBoingo: !up Alina-malina
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1107/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.61929562 BTC. Current weight: 66,037.
assbot: Bowe Bergdahl desertion charges: Idaho POW freed in 2014 is accused (update: Army denies). ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLjBpU )
BingoBoingo: !up diatonic
assbot: bitcoin/net.cpp at d05c03ab4ed23389b1326f9b7c77a8d7b8d6588d · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLla7k )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47414 @ 0.00047389 = 22.469 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30000 @ 0.00005999 = 1.7997 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: oss-security - Qualys Security Advisory CVE-2015-0235 - GHOST: glibc gethostbyname buffer overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1zr7C2Y )
asciilifeform: ^ detailed autopsy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6976 @ 0.00046978 = 3.2772 BTC [-]
assbot: Valve Economist Yanis Varoufakis Appointed Finance Minister of Greece ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrcfKD )
assbot: The Global Minotaur: The Crash of 2008 and the Euro-Zone Crisis in Historical Perspective - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrdcCC )
assbot: Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of ‘apolitical’ money | Yanis Varoufakis ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrdKrX )
mats: good find
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 68000 @ 0.00006999 = 4.7593 BTC [+] {7}
TomServo: In case anyone missed it, diff change: -6.14%.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 340726 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1993 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52840319672.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 28.02675
asciilifeform: if but all current gentoo devs had but one neck...
trinque: asciilifeform: I'm considering jumping ship to a BSD soon as I feel like it's an informed decision
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1425 @ 0.0010988 = 1.5658 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: trinque: hope you don't own anything but the most classical hardware.
asciilifeform: trinque: and don't ever run closed-source linux proggys
trinque: former, neh, mountain of complexity lenovo laptop
trinque: later neh, only compiled stuff
trinque: *latter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1345 @ 0.00108638 = 1.4612 BTC [-] {12}
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: USGavinCoin is real. http://www.americanbanker.com/bankthink/the-cryptocurrency-that-dare-not-speak-its-name-1072352-1.html Because they couldn't find a way to create bitcoin bars full of lead, they are going to hijack bitcoin and use it to their whim.
trinque: asciilifeform: I've got 150 packages in world; still have no idea how this system works
trinque: dunno what chance I have of feeling that I do on say OpenBSD either..
trinque: why the fuck for example do I have some daemon running for accessibility
trinque: seems to be related to running anything gtk
Apocalyptic: trinque, quick fix: nuke X-server and all gui-related stuff
trinque: I could get away with nothing-but-emacs in a vt for most of what I do
trinque: should probably just delegate web browsing to another device
trinque: then I'll just start bitching about the hardware complexity next
trinque pitches lenovo out window
trinque: actually happened to a dell p4 whatever after it overheated for the last time
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: nothing about this in linked article (appears to be about a proposal, somewhere deep in the bureaucracy, to use an altcoin for internal u.s. cental bank movements)
punkman: yeah I wonder why I can't find a laptop that doesn't overheat
trinque: Unexpected failure when checking for existing inventory during inv message processing: open /mnt/mainnet/blocks_leveldb/902277.ldb: input/output error << 1800 computer
trinque: has serious hardware issues
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: my theory is too difficult/much effort to make their own alt + (shit MP said about altcoins being worthless), so they will just fork bitcoin and try and steal it.
trinque: lenovo is supposed to be sending me a box to ship it back... I'll unmount and re-mount the usb drive and it'll work fine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.00046253 = 16.998 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00045845 = 13.2034 BTC [-]
assbot: Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of ‘apolitical’ money | Yanis Varoufakis ... ( http://bit.ly/15KhTcI )
assbot: BWallet - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/15Kr2ly )
jurov: mo6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform was the version debate concluded somehow?
mod6: for now
mod6: we're using v0.5.3.1
thestringpuller: v0.5.3.0.0.0.0.1
trinque: game of versioning snake?
mod6: i think he's trying to make a v6 addr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00040218 = 6.4751 BTC [-]
lobbes: <mod6> we're using v0.5.3.1 << forgive my ignorance, but this build can be found here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v0.5.3-0-gd05c03a.tar.gz ?
lobbes: and then just apply patches, correct?
thestringpuller: ;;google dave chappelle on slutty clothing
gribble: Dave Chappelle - Women Send Confusing Messages To Men ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL-1kHxsavI>; Dave Chapelle on how women dress. - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBPaenkxdg>; 1:12 Dave Chappelle Psychology of Men and Women (whore clothing): <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqP4dsvHWf4>
jurov: i need to try it myself
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.chicken general search: gethostbyname ... ( http://bit.ly/18qCxAy )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1572 @ 0.00107 = 1.682 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14402 @ 0.00006999 = 1.008 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: Regin Malware Unmasked as NSA Tool after SPIEGEL Publishes Source Code - SPIEGEL ONLINE ... ( http://bit.ly/18qJku0 )
mircea_popescu: dude... women in tech, what a scam!
mircea_popescu: so i find that veronique chick as the first source of the ghost vulnerability, im all about to go into a rand as to how see, THIS is the sort of actual women in actual tech
mircea_popescu: except it turns out that she's just doing pr, and wasn't actually involved in the tech
mircea_popescu: except it turns out she actually fucked up the embargo, and the coordinated release became uncoordinated half hour after her stupid foot in her dumber mouth.
mircea_popescu: i feel vile and like my feelings don't matter.
mircea_popescu: fucking rapist.
asciilifeform: when monkey presses wrong button, who is to blame: monkey, or man, who put monkey in the control loop ?
mircea_popescu: as more an' more cases of idiot women "in tech" blowing things up float to the surface like as many turds, the actual women in actual tech have increasingly more problems they don't actually need.
mircea_popescu: so dear stupid women : the best thing you can do for women in tech is STAYING THE FUCK AWAY FROM IT.
mircea_popescu: let the smart ones find their own way in, and if there's a grand total of three of them worldwide that'll be fine.
mircea_popescu: just as long as no more veroniques
mircea_popescu: but in other news, i've had actual sysadmins thank me for the tip. made my fucking day. danke davout :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it took about an hour to 'everybody knows'
mircea_popescu: i got inside that hour.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of ‘apolitical’ money <<< title has a point. there is no such thing as "apolitical" money. bitcoin is quite very political.
assbot: oss-sec: Re: GHOST gethostbyname() heap overflow in glibc (CVE-2015-0235) ... ( http://bit.ly/18qONRD )
asciilifeform: jurov: ...regin... << recycled news. from slides from 2 weeks ago; and the material therein does not contain proof of what is contained in the linked article at all...
asciilifeform: jurov: the uuencoded blob contained a fairly unremarkable keylogger (meant as a module within one of the gigantic modular mega-turds usg is fond of.)
jurov: i didn't read all the slides, sry
mircea_popescu: "During a conference call with reporters Monday, Fed staffers were asked why the paper made no mention of Bitcoin. They responded by saying that they plan to monitor developments with digital currency, and that later, as those technologies mature, regulators will possibly have a different strategy."
mircea_popescu: soo... their inept influence agents got murdered by a guy we won't name, and so we won't name the thing they were try9ing to influence either ?
mircea_popescu: yo yellen! at least gavin has the ballsack to carefully come here when i'm not around, you know ?
mircea_popescu: grow a pair.
mircea_popescu: "Without a CEO in charge of the currency or anyone to subpoena, how do you control the bitcoin economy? The law is designed to deal with centralized institutions in which identifiable managers are deemed responsible for an organization's conduct."
mircea_popescu: thje law is designed to go take a hike.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> derp. << /me is working on this with regard to the Derpoplis who went from maximizing arcade revenue to becoming "finance minister"
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzyoyC )
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron sounds about right
assbot: Death Cab for Cutie - "Black Sun" (Official Lyric Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzyHJJ )
assbot: Philippine rebels blame government for deadly clash - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzyQgk )
mats: i never felt so depressed as when i did 'missionary work' as a young man in Quezon City
trinque: danielpbarron: incredible..
mats: the second checkpoint i hit after leaving Manila, the church van i was in got shaken down by cops for cash
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[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $40 before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1096/ Odds: 24(Y):76(N) by coin, 31(Y):69(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.35433047 BTC. Current weight: 49,633.
mats: two kids i played ball with and taught spanish to died when a few shacks collapsed
mats: people shitting and pissing in chamberpots and what not, emptying the contents into the streets...
mats: hell on earth, and there i was, doing religious tourism.
asciilifeform: !s orcs
assbot: 45 results for 'orcs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=orcs
mats: shortly after i came back, i left the faith. if god is real... i would seek him out and kill him.
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[]bot: Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 50.673 BTC. Current weight: 95,931.
trinque: mats: hell of a disillusionment tale
thestringpuller: i miss the bye command from ftp
assbot: This Accidental Experiment Shows The Superiority Of Patriarchy ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzAcYm )
mircea_popescu: ima look i na sec translating a great short
BingoBoingo: jurov: imagine the camp Kyriarchy could have built
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: lets play a game of "would you rather"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: would you rather have a dick sized nipple, or a nipple sized dick?
asciilifeform: !s fork in the eye
assbot: 1 results for 'fork in the eye' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fork+in+the+eye
trinque: thestringpuller: you can cut off the nipple... can't uncut the dick
BingoBoingo: Given the common internet saying, I'm assuming the dick nipple must also engage in shitting?
trinque: design committee incoming
BingoBoingo: ;;ud shitting dick nipples
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shitting+dick+nipples | A term used to refer to strange fetishes involving drawn porn. Especially furry porn.
assbot: Shitting Dick Nipples - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzBjal )
assbot: You're On ft. Kyan (Oliver Remix) by Madeon - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzBpyW )
trinque: mats: requires flash
trinque shakes his fists at an uncaring sky
mats: run it in a sandbox
thestringpuller: flash ain't dead yet?
trinque: sites trying to DRM still tend to use it
thestringpuller: trying is a key word there I'd suppose
trinque: ayep
ben_vulpes: sad story, mats
mats: i resolved that day to become god, so i would never have to see anyone die again
mats: unless i wanted to.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out : that guy wanted the stuarts, this guy is "return of kings", mayhap there's soemthing here.
ben_vulpes: fucking hilarious jurov
trinque: mats: interesting actually, to think of god as a human aspiration
mircea_popescu: "Most cultures worldwide are patriarchal – to find examples of successful matriarchal societies you either have to turn to ancient history, remote outskirts of the world or feminist fiction. "
mircea_popescu: anyway, that much ius actually true.
mircea_popescu: however, this MAY be like saying that illiterate cultures are the norm, and to find successful literate cultures you either have to turn to ancient history, remote outskirts or capitalist fiction.
danielpbarron: he blames capitalism for producing feminism in the linked article at the bottom
mircea_popescu: anyway, the main factor destroying that experiment is that they don't allow violence.
mircea_popescu: the nine women - three men island + slavery would have probably icmb'd the other one within a few generations.
mats: trinque: its the dream of every living creature. to grow until all the space you can see is a part of you. the desire for greatness...
mircea_popescu: mats actually this is a mental condition in humans, and the desire of squids and generally cephalopodes exclusively.
mats: there's two ways to do it: to kill anything that is not yourself, until nothing is left to oppose you.
mats: you say to all the universe, only I will be great, and to make room for me the rest of you must give up even what you already have, and become nothing
trinque: dunno about that
mats: i'm quoting heavily from a book that was influential in my youth.
trinque: you need some of that other stuff to exist
mircea_popescu: ;;google anal stage
gribble: Anal stage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_stage>; The Anal Stage of Psychosexual Development: <http://psychology.about.com/od/theoriesofpersonality/ss/psychosexualdev_3.htm>; Psychosexual Stages | Simply Psychology: <http://www.simplypsychology.org/psychosexual.html>
mats: some metaphysical nonsense... but i still think about it from time to time.
trinque: I think one's dominion whereas the other's destruction.
trinque: to own something means you can destroy it, not necessarily that you will
mircea_popescu: "MOSAC - a charity which supports the non-abusing parents and carers of abused children - says a third of all calls to its helpline are from women who believe they have been groomed into conceiving a child."
assbot: Paedophiles Grooming Women To Bear Children ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzCEOC )
mircea_popescu: i wonder how prevalent this actually is. as opposed to interested parties trying to create a niche for their ngos.
trinque: mats: what was the second thing?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kings << that one, and $maxint others, are 'moldbuggian' blogs that appeared in imitation, nth generation copies of nth generation copies, etc.
mircea_popescu: o is it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: snore. 'moldosphere' etc. largely dead.
trinque: mircea_popescu: they can't whip up satanic cult hysteria anymore... pedos are second best?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: used to also be called 'alt right' or 'neoreaction'
mircea_popescu: trinque: why the fuck for example do I have some daemon running for accessibility << generally that's because if you need it you can't turn it on, so it has to be on by default. you can turn it off obviously.
trinque: mircea_popescu: wasn't started by openrc, nor .xprofile, just spawned off by gtk I think... ?
mats: trinque: an exercise for the reader
asciilifeform wonders if somebody actually made this argument in life
trinque: when I find out how to kill it I will
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's how the accessbility stuff sails in.
trinque: also get an adult! one with functioning limbs/eyes/etc
trinque: I'm sure this accessibility crap can remote control any gtk app
asciilifeform: trinque: 'dbus'
asciilifeform: trinque: (remote control)
mircea_popescu: trinque seems probable.
asciilifeform: not just probable, but trivial.
trinque: asciilifeform: notably -dbus did nothing
trinque: seems like the libraries using this stuff take it upon themselves to spawn the thing they want?
mircea_popescu: punkman: lol idiot << i left him a comment too.
mircea_popescu: guy's obviously got his own agenda, but hey, won't be able to say he wasn't exposed to the sane set of ideas.
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.chicken general search: gethostbyname ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzDfQi )
asciilifeform: jurov: why am i seeing the win32 crap ?
asciilifeform: jurov: or is this straight 0.5.3 without patches
jurov: it's the very first chicken versions
asciilifeform: ty jurov
jurov: will add 0.5.3.1 tmrw or so
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, jurov, whoever else is awake: anybody got a preferred build system they want to see used for toynode (as well as a name for the latter, toynode is ridiculous) ?
asciilifeform: current experimental rig is (surprised) a gentoo box
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tornade ? sounds like toynode, except also descriptive.
asciilifeform: eh, the 'tor' scrapes the eye like the shit in matsushita
asciilifeform does not really have strong emotion on this subject
jurov: just have an ebuild for it? or it ought to produce identical binaries no matter what?
jurov: and name, bitcoinator?
asciilifeform: ...identical binaries << ideally.
jurov: er.. there's tor too
asciilifeform favours bitcoinator
asciilifeform: somehow less allergenic.
mats: node-in-a-box.
mircea_popescu: ok, how about A-node
asciilifeform: works too
mircea_popescu: a for ascii, node for nude or something
trinque: mircea_popescu: between the CVEs and your links this room pays for itself
mircea_popescu: lucky it doesn't cost much :D
trinque: heh
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: kings << that one, and $maxint others, are 'moldbuggian' blogs that appeared in imitation, nth generation copies of nth generation copies, etc. << Less pseudoliteracy, more literacy as archeaological artifact there. Seems distinct off shoot of Moldsphere. Far greater focus on expatriation.
mircea_popescu: re thye whole "Source Code Similarities Between NSA Malware and 'Regin' Trojan " : the cause is quite obvious but somehow not found by the ever-brighter hn collective. that is : nsa outsourced the production. the way that ball got dropped is embarassing to them, and its very existence even more embarassing.
mircea_popescu: but then again, i don't know anyone but asciilifeform to both honestly and seriously propose viewing the nsa as aserious endeavour, and even he's been kinda shaken latelyt.
mircea_popescu: hory shit.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell teward * teward has quit (Quit: ERROR: Segmentation Fault in ZNC: admin.so: 56)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: full-nodity
asciilifeform won't belabour the point re: how 1) the nsa directorate that ended up publicly pants-down is not the whole nsa 2) the bureau is not the whole of usg intelligence
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what do you mean regarding 2?
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu is right! they do outsource crapware production. it is not even an especially deep secret, to where.
mircea_popescu: there's also the secret service dudes, guarding your tungsten bars an' sheit
thestringpuller: the secret service guards our debased gold?
mircea_popescu: north korea ?
thestringpuller: i thought they just protect obama and slap around counterfeiters
asciilifeform: usg bureaucracy is every bit as gnarly as soviet equivalents, there are ~two dozen 'spy agencies', each with $maxint budget and practically whole legal immunity
trinque: seems a place for rot to accumulate, not coherent action
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is why I think private spy agency with $maxint budget are more efficient than any USG version.
mircea_popescu: trinque quite.
jurov: lolwut? znc announces its segfault so?
mircea_popescu: jurov news to me.
BingoBoingo: And after the toy drone incidents trap shooting is going to have become part of the standard marksmanship bar to pass, if actual lizard hitler.
asciilifeform: i don't even believe, necessarily, that they have achieved anything. but in a logically distinct hypothesis that the snowden papers do not prove 'usg is impotent' any more than the famous kgb defections of the '70-80s proved that soviet intelligence was dead
mats: na, 'exploding drones' doesn't seem like a good way to kill a protected person
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except it WAS dead.
thestringpuller: You kidnap someone and claim you're CIA or some agency but really not (You're some shadowy private spy agency). So then when the "investigation" begins the dozen or so spy agencies point fingers at each other and unknown private firm continues to hide in shadows
mircea_popescu: much like the pacepa defection proved the end of the romanian thing.
thestringpuller: I'm certain this is not recent theory as its pop culture by now.
mats: they routinely deploy jammers, set perimeters, and have trained designated marksmen... learned their lessons in trashcanistan et. al
trinque: asciilifeform: it's that coherence bit that I think is important. An N1 rocket has plenty of power at its disposal
trinque: ends up turning the launch site into an inferno to match
assbot: Logged on 07-07-2014 00:34:51; mircea_popescu: * teward has quit (Quit: ERROR: Segmentation Fault in ZNC: admin.so: 56)
jurov: lol assbot
asciilifeform: mats: jammers, marksmen << drop vertically.
BingoBoingo: RE: KGB - Tom Clancy novels were right except "Jack Ryan" was russian and manifests IRL as Putin.
asciilifeform: mats: against k guards, use k+n machines, where n is a positive integer
mats: asciilifeform: max altitude of 'Raven' is about 150m
mats: and good luck getting that high with a meaningful payload
asciilifeform: what is 'raven' ?
mats: i think the WASP is a more economically feasible approach
mats: RQ-11 backpack drone.
asciilifeform: that isn't even a chopper.
mats: you have a point...
asciilifeform: and it is certainly physically possible to fly toy 'multicoper' above 150m.
mircea_popescu: tbh, if you're going this avenue you're better off firing a home made sol-sol missile at the target than hitting them with a homemade drone
mircea_popescu: just buy a lot of fireworks.
mats: i'd like to take this moment to affirm that this is purely speculative, and i have no intention of being so much as within the city limits of POTUS...
assbot: Don’t sell RQ-11 Ravens on eBay | sUAS News ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzEqix )
mats: Secret Service has no humor about this sort of thing.
asciilifeform: also has quotas.
mats: why would you want to buy a fucking raven anyways?
asciilifeform: !s new york death ray
assbot: 8 results for 'new york death ray' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=new+york+death+ray
thestringpuller: my buddy got fined flying a quadcopter > 200m
mats: we had a few in my intel section while i was in, fucking things would fall out of the sky a quarter of the time, 20 mins into flight
thestringpuller: "Failure to file flight path with FAA"
mats: fucking useless
trinque: rc plane with a gopro... definitely deserves 20 years in prison
asciilifeform: same as pgp.
mircea_popescu: the sad fact of the matter is that the same general development that allows derps like yanis souflakis to pretend like "he can distinguish inflation from product improvement" also allows anyone who isn't a redditard and has a day's leisure to build a missile ; and anyone that isn't iran and so mentally retarded to build a nuke.
asciilifeform: a most cruel weapon of war, clearly
thestringpuller: did zimmerman get 20 years?
mircea_popescu: these aren't hard problems in any sense anymore. they're onyl still hard for retards. otherwise, the safety of "designated importants" ios a matter of public mercy
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: he got something worse
thestringpuller: i thought he avoided jail time
mircea_popescu: not of "work" or "Agencies" or "laws" etc
mircea_popescu: i wonder how long until it sinks in, with the mostly empty head of obama, with the mostly empty head of blasio, with the mostly empty head of everyone else in that group of derps : that they're still alive because nobody could be bothered to kill them yet.
mircea_popescu: NOT because anyone or anything is 'protecting' them
mats: the SS certainly doesn't have a good record
asciilifeform: but they have a real ripper of a time barricading entire quarters of city, banishing tourists from restaurants, theatres, etc.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: scarier is that he's a stooge now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure.
asciilifeform: i haven't any idea how, specifically, he was lowered. but fact is.
trinque: mircea_popescu: perhaps when the state tucking them in at night fails to do so for a sufficient number of days
trinque: I expect a collective mental breakdown followed by wailing and gnashing of teeth instead
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is less scary and more sad to me :(
trinque: this and the inability of the NSA to act coherently I think come from the same dead culture
mircea_popescu: trinque i suspect they actually understand this pretty well, which is why the vehehehery gingerly treatment of actual powers that be, and the very loud derpage around idiots asking for a cock in their ass, like schwarz.
thestringpuller: trinque: sounds like a coup de gras of come kind.
mircea_popescu: "Please take Econ 1. When the Federal govt prints more money and spends, you do not get much inflation when there is massive unemployment. The extra $ the government prints and distributes is spent, increasing demand for goods and services. If the govt then KEEPS increasing the money supply, THEN you get inflation."
mircea_popescu: the idiots derping in tlp's comment section...
assbot: Lupe Fiasco - Mural - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/15Qz0KP )
trinque: mircea_popescu: maybe when they're all in chains they can dig holes then fill them back in for a while
trinque: call it an art piece
mircea_popescu: nah. i happen to know what they'll do. sadly it's all in romanian, but there's dozens of articles detailing the "what do idiots who thought they were right and in power do once it comes out they were wrong and never really in power".
mircea_popescu: it's a lot of... welll.... actually it looks a lot like liberal-radical-on-reddit, in the early stages.
trinque: mircea_popescu: congregate and resolve to be bad at new-ruling-ideology to make a point?
trinque: portland business owners enrage me for that reason
trinque: the idea that being embarrassed about discussing money for example makes them a good communist
mircea_popescu: it's this particular sort of "world is mean"
trinque: ah we were robbed
trinque: should've been X
mircea_popescu: im kinda curious who will be claimed as the evil foreign invader.
mircea_popescu: there's always one of these, that came in and ruined "a good thing". prollly the chinese i gues, tho you never know.
trinque: if it swings "tea party" everyone brown
mircea_popescu: yeah that also.
trinque: I don't know; thinking about this runs into the inability to coherently do anything
trinque: what does the tea party "do" now? make tshirts?
trinque: hm so maybe that's what lingers, the delusional faux-doing
trinque: makes me think of either you or asciilifeform talking about concentration camp inmates pretending to be guards, making fake uniforms
trinque: vs say mats experience of "fuck god, I am god"
trinque: seems like there are a few ways a mind can break
asciilifeform: 0.5.3 folks: did one of you post, a while ago, a list of libs (specific version) favoured: (e.g., db-4.8.26, openssl-xxxxxx, ...)
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asciilifeform: (summary: walkthrough for construction of simple ecdsa backdoor, for n00bs)
asciilifeform: nothing earth-shaking, but good maths tutorial.
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mats: whoa
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BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`
nubbins`: o hi
nubbins`: i disconnect often enough that authing isn't really a priority
nubbins`: although you guys do miss out on a lot of witticisms
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Why is why I !up you. I am suffering wit deficiency
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000031.html <<<< gpg: BAD signature from "mod6 (mod6) <modsix@gmail.com>
asciilifeform: mod6 ^^^^^
mod6: srsly?
mod6: oh i know what it is.
mod6: i bet that the damn translation of my email address did it
asciilifeform: so turdatron never really worked.
assbot: How The Bakken Oil Fields Put Me On The Path To Truth ... ( http://bit.ly/15H3KgJ )
mod6: so yeah, i signed "<modsix@gmail.com>"
mod6: and then the turdalator changed it
mod6: if you could be so kind... just change the text to that and see if it verifies.
asciilifeform: jurov: ^^^^^^
mod6: ok cool, good catch ascii
asciilifeform: can we put an end to the mutilations.
mod6: i'll send out a new copy.
asciilifeform: and am i the only one who actually checks sigs
mod6 works on that
mod6: when i had mutt setup properly with my own mx it was pretty sweet because it would check sigs and everything automagically.
mod6: one of these times, I gotta get mutt back going again
mod6: ok i re-sent with a new version number and "<modsix at gmail dot com>" written in by me.
assbot: Greece Taps Anti-Bitcoin Video Game Economist as Finance Minister | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/15H647t )
punkman: ;;google tf2 hat economy
gribble: Analyst Pegs Team Fortress 2 Hat Economy at $50 Million - Kotaku: <http://kotaku.com/5869042/analyst-pegs-team-fortress-2-hat-economy-at-50-million>; A beginner's guide to the Team Fortress 2 economy - Destructoid: <http://www.destructoid.com/a-beginner-s-guide-to-the-team-fortress-2-economy-230418.phtml>; ARBITRAGE AND EQUILIBRIUM IN THE TEAM FORTRESS 2 ...: (1 more message)
punkman: the one thing he wrote on valve blog is about tf2 hats http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/author/yanis/
assbot: yanis | Valve ... ( http://bit.ly/15H6ZVm )
BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`
nubbins`: the forum is eating itself
nubbins`: ouroboroustalk.org
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Where nao?
BingoBoingo: Still the wood condomer
nubbins`: heh ya
assbot: Videos of WoodCollector Hand Carving: Care of MOB ... ( http://bit.ly/15H7Sx8 )
nubbins`: this is one of the only ones still unlocked
nubbins`: scroll down to where people start making connections between TECSHARE and WoodCollector via domain whois
nubbins`: my sides
BingoBoingo: Wait, Techshare is a waterboy?
nubbins` shrugs
nubbins`: about halfway down the page there are some pretty funny pictures of me
nubbins`: strangely, he passed this one by: http://imgur.com/5v5jUqI
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/15H8ov4 )
nubbins`: and this one
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/15H8pPK )
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/15H8tPC )
nubbins`: heh now people are asking TECSHARE for screenshots of his PMs
nubbins`: hahahahah
nubbins`: did someone put LSD in the water?
BingoBoingo: The thing that sold me on WC as a fraud is that and actual master carver would focus on edges instead of relief making the BfL dildo feathered and much more painful.
nubbins`: "arch your back" "WHAUET? I CAN'T HEAR YOU"
mircea_popescu: lol "i advise people to learn html, becausre that's a language and it worked for me. wut ?"
decimation: "Newcomers to the IC may not realize that the CIA presence in the Oval Office during the George W. Bush administration was the exception, not the rule."
mircea_popescu saves bb qntra article for tomorrow morning
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Do you have a good file on the Bitcoin Magazine drama. I'm at a loss for history on that one.
mircea_popescu: hanbot ^
BingoBoingo: When they told me in early 2013 to not bother submitting to them I kind of exiled them on my own.
BingoBoingo: Damnatio Memoria sort of thing, but if someone want to dump some history I'll pull a thing together.
decimation: "And the consumers of intelligence say out loud “Why should I trust you on this issue when you were wrong on that one?” Weak performance in one DI area immediately calls into question all work in the CIA."
mircea_popescu: and with that, i'll be off.
assbot: Awful sex dolls - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1H983m0 )
nubbins`: nsfw
assbot: "Bingo bongo" just wrote a stunningly beautiful pice euthanizing the new Greek Minister for Economics. It's a joy to read.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: "Bingo bongo" just wrote a stunningly beautiful pice euthanizing the new Greek Minister for Economics. It's a joy to read.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: random: is there a reason the piece doesn't do "Continued reading"?
thestringpuller: not a big deal just have to scroll to see other pieces on qntra front page
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Sometimes fresh qntra pieces don't have it right away, this one has it now though.
thestringpuller: gotcha. thanks!
nubbins`: popped open my volca sample yesterday, was pleased to find MIDI out points clearly marked
nubbins`: dem easter eggs!
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assbot: Getting Arrested On The First Date ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9g6iR )
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thestringpuller: MPOE at all time lows
thestringpuller: holy fuck
thestringpuller: people are filling up the war chests
asciilifeform: 'Axe-time, sword-time, shields are sundered, Wind-time, wolf-time, ere the world falls; Nor ever shall men - each other spare.'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 41 @ 0.1 = 4.1 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up p15
BingoBoingo: Hello p15
thestringpuller: ah. asciilifeform you are one of my favorite people.
nubbins`: let's not get outta hand
nubbins`: ^ other members of the volca family have many more easter eggs hidden
nubbins`: alf, you seem like the kind of guy who would, in another life, have a massive modular synthesizer in your basement, patch cables and eurorack modules all over the place
nubbins`: like this, but with a nicer suitcase
BingoBoingo kind of a bigger fan of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFi_nUUF8uQ (uses reeds)
assbot: Wurlitzer Electric Piano 200 by VintageVibe.com - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjomF )
BingoBoingo: !up toddf
BingoBoingo: Hello toddf
asciilifeform would, but has no musical education at all
nubbins`: you actually don't need any to have fun :D
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: After the war I might have to get you a tuba, instrument of kings
nubbins`: i might have to get him a monotron
asciilifeform is one of those people who can easily compose in his head, incl. polyphony, but can't output
nubbins`: that sort of brain is actually made for synths
nubbins`: as long as you can twist a rotary encoder, you can set notes
asciilifeform: nubbins`: at various points i've tried all kinds of 'cheats', incl. 'ear trainers' etc
BingoBoingo: Tuba is a great instrument for outputting polyphony solo
asciilifeform: nubbins`: can never get the physical sound to correspond to what was in head.
nubbins`: ah ah, i see
nubbins`: that, there's not much helping
nubbins`: but if you like the idea of directly manipulating sound waves
asciilifeform: actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Culprit is bone conduction.
nubbins`: and channeling them through various components of your choosing...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: culprit is not having whatever neural circuit folks who can actually do music have
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decimation: asciilifeform: we are all blank slates, subject to the state's desire for learning
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Prolly that too. I am lacking in that department as well. Tuba is forgiving in that regard.
asciilifeform: did try to learn this particular thing, but never got remotely off the ground.
asciilifeform: was never, however, interested in 'learning to play instrument' in the usual sense of being human player piano
asciilifeform: because that has nothing whatsoever to do with getting the head music out.
asciilifeform: met plenty of people who 'can play' but not do it.
hanbot: <BingoBoingo> Damnatio Memoria sort of thing, but if someone want to dump some history I'll pull a thing together. << see the marchenko/alisie theft accusation back-and-forth here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129722.msg1387064#msg1387064
assbot: What to expect from Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjCu5 )
asciilifeform: perhaps it actually -is- a mirage, like the 'head programs' of folks who can't program.
asciilifeform: insufficiently specified/specifiable.
BingoBoingo: Tuba/Euphoniums are the only solo sort of wind instrument I can play where actual sound produced overpowers bone conduction bias that would otherwise render me tone deaf
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Thanks.
assbot: Amazon.com: Korg Monotron Delay Analog Ribbon Synthesizer: Musical Instruments ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjIll )
nubbins`: asciilifeform ^
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
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BingoBoingo: !up moldysnizz
asciilifeform: nubbins`, BingoBoingo: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=11 << old article of mine on the subject
assbot: Loper OS » Music, UI, and Greedy Algorithms: the Mozart Machine? ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjHhp )
asciilifeform: describes a hypothesis.
assbot: Amazon.com: Korg Monotribe Analogue Ribbon Station: Musical Instruments ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjJFU )
asciilifeform: nubbins`: as a fellow who can program, and at one point owned a 'commodore 64', i've played with just about every basic kind of synth tone
nubbins`: lotta fun out of the box, but also lots of neat mods hidden inside.
asciilifeform: problem is not the tone, but the input.
moldysnizz: ;;rate bingoboingo 1 Good with his hands...
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
nubbins`: they actually released the schematics for the monotribe as well
moldysnizz: oh well fuck you gribble
asciilifeform: piano keyboard is meaningless to me. despite plenty of time spent attempted.
BingoBoingo: moldysnizz: You gotta recover that keypair
asciilifeform: nor did any better with direct entry
nubbins`: asciilifeform, then you'll love the monotribe's ribbon keyboard :D
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thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you and my piano teacher (also russian and similar demeanor) would have interesting dirnking convos
nubbins`: as granular as your fingers are small.
moldysnizz: I've accepted my new identiy as the snizz
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> piano keyboard is meaningless to me. despite plenty of time spent attempted. << This I experience as well.
asciilifeform: theremin is as granular as... not even sure what
nubbins`: why am i trying to sell you an analogue synthesizer?
asciilifeform: didn't make any difference.
nubbins`: are these notes we're talking about or tones?
asciilifeform: i generally don't discuss music with musical folks because 100% of the time it turns out that they are trying to accomplish something very different with their time
nubbins`: er sorry
nubbins`: that was worded poorly
asciilifeform: (i mostly gave up on the subject years ago)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: read linked article.
BingoBoingo: My hypothesis is that whistling and humming acquire the correct pitch by way of bang-bang correction. The delay between each “bang” your brain produces and the resulting sound is imperceptibly small, because the vocal apparatus is located so near, and the necessary muscle motions are so minute. Thus, the correct pitch seems to come out as if by magic. And yet no magic is involved. << Normally magic of musicians with perfect pi
BingoBoingo: tch is being able to surrender to hearing the wrong thing when they perform themselves and simply mapping correspindence to the right hting.
nubbins`: asciilifeform i dunno man, it honestly sounds like a 'tribe can do what you're describing
BingoBoingo: "perfect pitch" is almost always trained.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: unless i misunderstand, the linked device is something like a theremin (in the continuously-variable input sense, rather than mechanism per se) ?
thestringpuller: ;;google gimme 20 dollars slenderman
gribble: Slender $20 Mode! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejatl89mf5w>; Slender Man dances for his 20 dollars - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT9r_-oHJV0>; GIMME 20 DOLLARS - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUN_7Iopmak>
decimation: !s theremin
assbot: 11 results for 'theremin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=theremin
nubbins`: asciilifeform it's got a digital step-sequencer built into it, so once you find your correct input tone, you can map it to a step.
nubbins`: it'll store 8 or 16 steps and loop them
asciilifeform: except the process of searching by trial and error destroys the head music.
asciilifeform: that's what i've found.
decimation learned 'a' (440 hz) by listening to 'wwv'
nubbins`: but the actual sound production side of it is 100% analog, so full granularity on pitch, tone, a bunch of other things
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i've played with continuously-variable synths, as an electronics enthusiast; trust me, it made zero difference.
nubbins`: then i feel your agony
asciilifeform: not sure why this isn't making sense to nubbins`
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> except the process of searching by trial and error destroys the head music. << This so much
nubbins`: i once dated a woman who worked at a craft store. a guy comes rushing in one day screaming about music paper. he needed to write down the notes in his head before he forgot them.
nubbins`: if i'm not mistaken, your problem is the inability to express your tune as either notes or as a hum that can be recorded
asciilifeform: i can't even say for certain that it is real. it's rather like describing dreams. if there's no way to get it out of your head, it exists only for you.
nubbins`: sounds like my understanding of the nature of reality
nubbins`: brb feeding cats
decimation: perhaps the 'digitization' of a piano keyboard is a convenient simplification for the brain - structure allows creativity, etc
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asciilifeform: for anyone who actually bothered to read the link: i did not yet know the term 'OODA loop' when i wrote that piece.
asciilifeform: but it is precisely what's involved.
asciilifeform: probably the most easily fundamental concept i know of in what used to be called 'cybernetics' (what's it called today? even exists as a field?)
asciilifeform: control theory?
decimation: asciilifeform: I think that came from combat doctrine
asciilifeform: it did.
decimation: but certainly has connections with control theory (feedback systems)
decimation: asciilifeform: novel idea for a toolkit: your watch links: http://www.leatherman.com/425.html
assbot: Tread™ - Leatherman / LED Lenser ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkzm0 )
BingoBoingo: By some horrible accident of history in High School shat out http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Going.mp3 with WIndows 3.1 technology (rougly 2003) was featured in new york concert http://www.voxnovus.com/60x60/2003_Concert_Program.htm did not make the CD cut; Crazy things teenagers with idea do.
asciilifeform: decimation: golden toilet
BingoBoingo back then did not realize was treading chumpatron
assbot: ATRL - Celeb News: Taylor Swift Hacked on Instagram - Page 5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkCyu )
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, the 'selling point' is that you can take it through an airport
asciilifeform: decimation: until can't
decimation: not that a regular 'leatherman' (sans knife) couldn't go
asciilifeform: decimation: like the 'fake key' that was in fashion a few years ago.
decimation: but the derps who run the airport security chumpatron would 'trip' on 'leatherman-like object'
asciilifeform: anyone who enjoys playing the mole in 'whack-a-mole' - straight there.
asciilifeform: this would even be interesting if the watchband-screwdriver were something one craftsman made in single-digit quantity
asciilifeform: but as soon as it hits retail - added to ban list.
decimation: it probably won't reach the critical 'man adoption factor' and therefore will be hated and uncool
decimation: also I think it would be rather inconvenient to disassemble and reassemble watch to use screwdriver
trinque: BingoBoingo: I kinda like it
trinque: I've done some chiptune stuff, nothing good
BingoBoingo: trinque: Thanks. Made with "Noteworthy Composer" a lowest bidder sort of Win32 music typesetting software that can output to MIDI
TheNewDeal: what is this Noteworthy Composer?
TheNewDeal: you type in notes and it outputs MIDI values?
assbot: NoteWorthy Software - Home of NoteWorthy Composer Music Notation Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkPSf )
BingoBoingo: Supposedly plays well wrapped in Wine
BingoBoingo: at the time it was click on staff and select note to drop.
BingoBoingo used 1.x series unfamiliar with this version 2 bullshit.
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli1
BingoBoingo likes to imagine an alternate history where that one piece of turdware and imagined uses of it did not keep self on Windows for an unconfortably long period of history
assbot: Marshawn Lynch joins Super Bowl media day to avoid fine. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOl4g4 )
trinque: https://soundcloud.com/signpost << coupla loops I farted out
assbot: signpost's profile - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOl6Vb )
trinque: I can never stay focused on it (rather, cannot pull self away from moneymaking endeavors) long enough to finish something
trinque: all came out of playing in renoise
trinque: trackers are pretty fun
TheNewDeal: ;;ident trinque
gribble: Nick 'trinque', with hostmask 'trinque!~undata@unaffiliated/undata', is not identified.
trinque: ;;ident trinque
gribble: Nick 'trinque', with hostmask 'trinque!~undata@unaffiliated/undata', is identified as user 'trinque', with GPG key id 42F9985AFAB953C4, key fingerprint FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: trinque: If Deedbot has a need for sounds...
trinque: I hear scope creep is met with beatings.
BingoBoingo: Eh, it is
BingoBoingo: Generally for mandatory creep. If a deed.py client for deebot materialized later...
BingoBoingo: Dunno why deedbot would need a deed.py client though
TheNewDeal: ;;seen BlueMeanie4
gribble: BlueMeanie4 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 2 days, 2 hours, 35 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <BlueMeanie4> most of them are in Berlin
trinque: speaking of things I should throw cycles into
trinque: I'm going to afk for a bit and finish up some work stuff, then see about haxing on the bot
decimation: re: glibc bug << was this an ulrich drepperism?
asciilifeform: decimation: quite possibly
BingoBoingo: 9 years ago the debian official random number was 6. Now glibc fuckery is uncovered. Imperial nudity advances.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not unlike rejoicing in having crushed one particular cockroach in your kitchen.
asciilifeform: roaches don't particularly care if you know that you have roaches.
asciilifeform: or if they lose one or two.
BingoBoingo: Also true
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danielpbarron: huh, I seem to be shadowbanned on reddit -- finally!
trinque: danielpbarron: you telling christians what their book says again?
danielpbarron: idk if it's just on /r/bitcoin or what
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decimation: asciilifeform: the whole episode steers one toward bsd
trinque: decimation: which?
trinque: I'm considering wiping out this gentoo install with openbsd
decimation: glibc bugs
BingoBoingo: trinque: Before wiping best to play with OpenBSD on some designated toy hardware. I can not recommend the Micheal W Lucas book enough.
trinque: decimation: meant which bsd?
decimation: eh. I've played with openbsd - it's not a very big ecosystem
trinque: BingoBoingo: fired it up in a VM and felt like I sort of knew my way around
decimation: but it is probably more security-minded with W^X and ASLR
trinque: nijotz: lol
BingoBoingo: 5.7 will bring as kernel space ASLR, also current on some platforms has that, but is... unfinished
BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel
BingoBoingo thinks Brent Cook going to OpenBSD is one of the best things to happen to Linux in a long time.
BingoBoingo: Other than Google using OpenBSD's libc for Android over Gnu libc
trinque: BingoBoingo: I'll grab Absolute OpenBSD, ty
trinque: that's the one?
BingoBoingo: trinque: Indeed. Only current through 5.4 or 5.5 but differences since are well documented. The book is good for differences versus Linux and other BSD's
decimation: how can android use bsd libc?
BingoBoingo: trinque: M.W. Lucas is a sort of sage for commonly overlooked sysadmin stuff.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Because it is all *nix
decimation: isn't there significant differences wrt the kernel?
decimation: someone must have written shim code
BingoBoingo: decimation: Yes, linux kernel is deviant.
BingoBoingo digs for undeadly.org piece on the matter
assbot: Android's C Library Has 173 Files of Unchanged OpenBSD Code ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOnsmT )
danielpbarron: if you have beginners openbsd questions feel free to ask me
danielpbarron: i also have the book BingoBoingo recommended
trinque: danielpbarron: cool, sounds good
BingoBoingo: One very useful area the book discusses is configuring sudo users
trinque: BingoBoingo: a best-practices in general thing or something specific to openbsd's sudo?
BingoBoingo: trinque: In this tome a lot of OpenBSD specific stuff, but also general good practices. M W Lucas also has a sudo mastery book as part of his security trinity.
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
danielpbarron: i also have the sudo mastery book, although i haven't cracked it open yet
devthedev: Soteriology puts a killing on my brain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00038264 = 9.7191 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: openbsd is in some ways a 'hair shirt' (abolished loadable kmods, for instance)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well most people complain about the big kernel lock.
BingoBoingo: devthedev: lol barry soetero
mod6: fuck
BingoBoingo thinks it would be fair to say Linux is silk shirt, FreeBSD is wool shirt, OpenBSD is hair shirt, and NetBSD is rolling around naked in poison ivy
mod6: wat
asciilifeform: yes, wat
mod6: anyway, so the script that i re-posted to the list wont work
mod6: gpg --logger-file chicken.sig.log --homedir .gnupg \
mod6: - --verify chicken/bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.patch.sig
mod6: ^----- the turdalator adds this dash on parse
mod6: jurov: check this out
mod6: ^^^
mod6 breaks random things
mod6: im just gonna post the fuckin script to the website direct.
asciilifeform: jurov: any possibility of making it actually work ?
asciilifeform: and how the hell did anything else get posted
asciilifeform: or am i the only one who actually tried to run what is up on that site.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23220 @ 0.00037098 = 8.6142 BTC [-]
mod6: actually, jurov, it's not the fault of the turdalator
mod6: as it seems, gnupg did that nonsense.
asciilifeform: i did warn.
mod6 breaks more stuff
asciilifeform: !s clearsign
assbot: 78 results for 'clearsign' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=clearsign
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 21:44:02; asciilifeform: till we have a gpg that clearsigns without escape char mutilation - we got this.
mod6: you know, before I did any of that, i thought about doing a detached sig, but then i wondered if something really funky would happen, like it would get somehow added to the patch-list automagically, and it doesn't belong there either.
asciilifeform: mantra: 'don't clearsign code.'
mod6: yeah. weaksauce
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:19; asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:30; asciilifeform: everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 06:00:40; asciilifeform: in-band signalling is inevitably lame.
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 21:44:58; mircea_popescu: see ? god hates us.
asciilifeform: what are we to do? pretend it's 1995 and post uuencoded turds ?
asciilifeform: because that's where this is going.
asciilifeform blows dust off uuencode
BingoBoingo: Worse things have happened
BingoBoingo glares at leap seconds
asciilifeform: leap seconds are braindamaged.
asciilifeform: why should i move my epoch clock for a political fiction.
asciilifeform: wall clock - sure, get places on time, etc.
asciilifeform: epoch? fuck you.
BingoBoingo: Seriously, pick a better number of cesium vibrations for the official figure
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: leap seconds are inserted - supposedly because earth slows. so not a constant.
asciilifeform: not enough to say that 1 newsecond = 1*k oldseconds
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Convenient political fiction to cover a simple rounding error
BingoBoingo: Because significant figures... Maybe if things desync this often more figures are significant than are politically convenient
BingoBoingo: rather than admit far smaller digits have meaning they would rather make the world bark on command.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> what are we to do? pretend it's 1995 and post uuencoded turds ? << perfectly fine with me.
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decimation: asciilifeform: usg actually proposed getting rid of leap seconds
decimation: accumulate them for years into some kind of 'leap hour'
decimation: asciilifeform: but if you eliminate the correction for leapseconds, you are going to create one extra step for someone who is trying to derive longitude from solar position
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not necessary, just create a better definition of second
decimation: BingoBoingo: no definition of a second will cover the variation in the earth's rotation
BingoBoingo: decimation: And the boundaries of fiat timezones are any better?
decimation: a leap second is literally correcting for the fact that a cesium atom vibrates with more precision than the earth spins about its axis
decimation: time zones have nothing to do with leap seconds
trinque: ditch days, nobody goes outside anymore anyway
trinque: all hail glorious cesium overlord
BingoBoingo: Ah, but time zones have everything to do with the imprecision people are willing to accept when it comes to time
decimation: well, the whole thing comes down to this: what ought to govern the period of a day? the rotation of the earth or a random clock?
decimation: right now it's the rotation of the earth, even though it varies
danielpbarron: a second will henceforth be known as 1 six-hundredth of the average time it takes for a bitcoin block to be found
BingoBoingo: Would anyone who contributed to this http://www.timetemperature.com/time-zone-maps/world-time-zone-map.shtml honest be capable of earnestly declaring allegiance to solar time?
assbot: World Time Zone Map ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1DPfO )
BingoBoingo: Poor Iceland
mod6: ok, so i sent the build.sh script in plaintext with a detached sig to the mailing and it just never showed up. lol
decimation: BingoBoingo: read this before wishing to abolish time zones http://qntm.org/abolish
assbot: So you want to abolish time zones @ Things Of Interest ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1Ea29 )
mod6: so i added the file direct to the website, along with the sig file
mod6: would one of you gentlement verify it for me?
mod6: *gentlemen too :]
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2014 04:19:25; mircea_popescu: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then?
BingoBoingo: decimation: You forget I am one of the luck ones who sleeps ad libitum, who through the #b-a logs primarily judges time in GMT in spite of proximity to 90 degrees west
BingoBoingo: Why not simply walk the meridian?
BingoBoingo: Let time stay constant. If planetary rotation slows acknowledge that as the problem.
BingoBoingo: Why should the measurement of time suffer for the insufficiencies of celestial body movement.
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