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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 149 @ 0.00333 = 0.4962 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00348997 = 0.4188 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0909995 = 0.182 BTC [-] {2}
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ozbot: An Overview of Betable Sports Part 1: Baseball | Bingo Blog
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KRS1: .bait
KRS1: per-fect
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dub: !ticker mp s.mpoe
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26832 @ 0.00079232 = 21.2595 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 24 @ 0.00623014 = 0.1495 BTC [+] {3}
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jurov: ;;prevdiffchange
gribble: 11.38694
ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1964 blocks | Estimated Change: 29.2943% in 9d 15h 15m 43s
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07 = 2.45 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14370 @ 0.00079543 = 11.4303 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete the quote is good, but why does it come with a lower scrollbar ? it's unreadable this way.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: also it's dubious practice that you take the painstaking care to mention whatever bitcoiny site but somehow omit to point out on what venue you heard this entire thing about berkshire.
mircea_popescu: that's not how it's done.
mircea_popescu: "2 of my students wrote a Google Glass trojan that secretly takes photos and uploads them to a 3rd party. Oh, and got it into the Play store."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo clearly loves baseball :D
mircea_popescu: "great conflict between the Apollonian grace and Dionysian chaos is a root of great art", listen to that, you've made generations of middle aged jocks tear up.
mircea_popescu: if only you were there, o cyrano of bingoiac, to whisper in their ear at '80s raves and whatnot. all the professional cunt they could've ravished...
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04 = 0.2 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.039735 = 0.2384 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.09199956 = 0.46 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I plan on covering most of the sports. Next is probably Basketball because it is the least betable.
BingoBoingo: Well, least betable if you discount football/soccer because that shit ends in a draw way too often
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MisterE_: http://i.imgur.com/XnCdLF9.jpg?1
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how come you're not actually trying to run a book then ? is it illegal where you live or something ?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07 = 0.98 BTC [+]
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VanCleef: hi, whats a good investment? my daughter really needs this operation
jurov: VanCleef: bitcoin, half a year ago?
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[\]: jurov: bitcoin, 3 years ago
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0404 = 0.1212 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu very sorry about the dubiousity. it's been corrected… the formatting on this one has a mind of its own on the blogs-b-a site but seems to be working well on the blog itself. my guess is the copy/pasting messed it up. thx for taking the time to read it and provide feedback!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Neil: mircea_popescu: So do you ever take a holiday? Or is your life so fulfilling doing your thang that you never want to chill out so that delivering statements in the first few days of each month is never an issue? Is that job subordinated to anyone else yet?
mircea_popescu: well, to split your q up in answerable bits,
mircea_popescu: also exact arrangements have never really been disclosed, so nobody actually knows.
Neil: I see, curious why you're waiting for someone to disclose so that you know.
Neil: You robot or sthg?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00387499 = 0.3294 BTC [+] {4}
Neil: In a parallel universe with no risk you see, I mighta been interested in investing in some of your ventures. Though the terms are clear, it's also the problem, as a) a 30BTC fine to "play" means there's gotta be something worth playing for, and b) I worry about you getting run over by a bus, for example, because c) it's all really quite opaque and I rate b) as ~2% annually, which is quite a JTD risk.
ThickAsThieves: dont forget coinbr exists
Neil: I've had enough of 3rd parties
mircea_popescu: you can just use a broker.
mircea_popescu: or w/e, be a broker
ThickAsThieves: not all 3rd parties are created equally
Neil: Good incentive to get off my ass and do something useful myself I guess.
mircea_popescu: Neil and now you're coming to the why things are structured this way.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not about serving a consumer market.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is about encouraging people to create.
Neil: Is JTD an understood acronym? Just curious if it's a product of my history
mircea_popescu: which is why we don't want more "adoption". we want more actual penetration. get off your ass do something, cause it ain't gonna do itself.
mircea_popescu: jump to default ?
Neil: Well spent my life getting off my ass doing stuff for others, but no more
Neil: mp: well done
mircea_popescu: i didn't dop anything lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a good chance you misrepresent what "doing for oneself" means in this context.
Neil: Actually 2% is also low; probably 3-4% is better.
Neil: mp: plz elaborate
mircea_popescu: well, it'll be lengthy. the whole story is in an article i wrote about romanians a while back, http://trilema.com/2011/povestea-celor-trei-imparati-smecheri-si-a-celor-trei-negustori-fraieri-fabula-in-versuri-ilustrata/
Neil: impressed by the speed at random linking
mircea_popescu: but anyway, it's something like this : romania emergend in 1989 incredibly poor,
mircea_popescu: with about twenty million people who not only owned nothing at all (literally, a pair of jeans would get you unlimited bjs cca 1988)
mircea_popescu: but more importantly without any of the mental structures that'd allow them to work productively.
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mircea_popescu: because 50 years under a state directed economy destroys entrepreneurship, something romanians never were very good at anyway
mircea_popescu: (which is a very lengthy discussion also found on my blog, but really not too interesting here, as to why)
mircea_popescu: so this put them in this strange position whereby even if they wanted to, they couldn't do anything.
mircea_popescu: i mean think about it, a country that suddenly needs everything. everything!
Neil: Yeah; the state destroying incentives is something that has gotten so clear to me in the last 2-3 yrs yet I'm baffled by how few around me see it.
mircea_popescu: imagine a town the size of akron, ohio, which has exactly one restaurant in it
mircea_popescu: could you easily make a living for yourself in such an environment ? surely.
mircea_popescu: people need food and plumbing and fguckin shoes and everything.
mircea_popescu: but that's you.
mircea_popescu: the average romanian was too fucktarded to understand even the basics of how economy works. at all.
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mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the state out of some sort of revolutionary excess or idealistic confusion or whatever, decided it will allocate all its resources to the population. just like that.
mircea_popescu: this yielded two direct results : on one hand, everyone got his house.
blackwhite: morning gents
mircea_popescu: the way it worked was that as long as you maintained employment, you got free housing from the govt dept of housing.
Neil: It's interesting how people believe automation will eliminate their ability to do anything. But it's clear that people always want something more - that's the nature of being human after all. So there is always demand for more products / services. Why isn't that obvious?
mircea_popescu: new govt allowed everyone to "buy back" this at nominal prices. due to inflation the average 800 sq foot apt everyone had ended up costing less than a computer.
Neil: They just want the job they thought they could keep for life, rather than having to think and do something else
mircea_popescu: on the other side of things, the govt decided to split up all the industry, and create a bunch of "shareholders".
mircea_popescu: so, 20 mn coupons were printed, and distributed to each individual.
mircea_popescu: all the companies the state owned allowed the subscription of thes coupons
mircea_popescu: then the yallocated ownershiop exactly the way the original MPOE shares were allocated :
nubbins`: email?!
mircea_popescu: if a company got 10 coupons, every one guy got 10% of it.
mircea_popescu: if a company got 10mn coupons, each person got 0.0001% etc.
mircea_popescu: so suddenly, a bunch of romanians without a clue were real estate and industrial capital owners.
mircea_popescu: what happened ?
Neil: the fittest survived? the rest got eaten.
mircea_popescu: ;;google caritas ponzo
gribble: Ponzi scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme>; Oral history collection - Library of Congress: <http://www.loc.gov/folklife/civilrights/survey/view_collection.php?coll_id=2696>; Concordia Discors. Turin Background Report: <http://www.concordiadiscors.eu/assets/BR_Turin1.pdf>
mircea_popescu: "Mugur Isărescu, the president of the National Bank of Romania, estimated that it held a third of Romania's banknotes at one point."
mircea_popescu: this is a story of idiocy and unbridled enthusiasm, and of how very stupid people fail to fall in step with economic structure.
mircea_popescu: while it's easy to laugh at these particular retards, such as the parents of every romanian girl i ever fucked, this is a bit like picking fun at the special olympic people.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the sort of mistake they made, we're not immune from.
mircea_popescu: which is why random fuckwit discovering bitcoin is all about how "I WILL MAKE MY OWN EXCAHGE" rather than "i wonder where i could add my incremental effort"
Neil: mp: I'm curious - how much of your current beliefs are your own, and how much from your parents / schooling etc.
mircea_popescu: in general, ventures made and wholly operated by people who are unable to act economically (which means, collaboratively) are doomed.
mircea_popescu: a point often underscored by buffet re owning a fraction of the hope diamond rather than a whole lump of coal.
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mircea_popescu: Neil well how would one know ? probably the best test would be, "how well does your school/parents/etc recognise itself in your beliefs", in which case they're pretty much mine.
Neil: OK, so what led you down your path?
mircea_popescu: what led me ?!
mircea_popescu: nothing leads me dood, i lead it.
Neil: cmon my meaning is clear
mircea_popescu: maybe to you.
Neil: What life experiences changed your thinking from what your were taught to believe to what you actually believe
jurov: Neil, I was profoundly discontent with what i was told
mircea_popescu: what, you actually think that's how it works ?
jurov: and just had to find out on my own
jurov: it's not complicated
Neil: mp: don't understand how your qn relates
mircea_popescu: Neil what people think is not controllable by their life experiences.
mircea_popescu: if it were, education'd be trivial.
mircea_popescu: just put them in a well designed educatron/gauntlet and let them be
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Thanks for the nudge to look at the Berkshire letters. Interesting stuff there.
nubbins`: controllable, no
mircea_popescu: TomServo the guy is definitely more worthy of being read, on a ROP basis, than pretty much any economics professor. and he doesn't even charge.
nubbins`: influenced by, sure, if you let it
mircea_popescu: nubbins` well what's that do.
TomServo: You seem to have some level of respect for Buffet.. so I'm curious what you'd say regarding his comments around the purchase of BNSF
mircea_popescu: sure, it works to a large degree, i can educate my slaves on a very similar process.
TomServo: specifically: At the time, I called the transaction an “all-in wager on the economic future of the United
TomServo: States.”
mircea_popescu: but this doesn't excuse me from having to pick them first.
Neil: jurov: well I realized about 3 years ago that all I'd been told about money (which was almost nothing - an amazing and likely deliberate gap of the education system) didn't make any sense. And I wanted to understand money. Started reading, and 6 months later find bitcoin (2011) and think wow, and then many things all became a lot clearer. Perhaps I'm slow, but in most things I'm not. Just never had really been given the right
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Neil: context to think about it.
nubbins`: fancy way of saying that being exposed to ideas will inspire curiosity in the receptive
nubbins`: but being receptive? well, that's your job
mircea_popescu: TomServo yeah. it kinda was.
TomServo: also: And the dynamism
TomServo: embedded in our market economy will continue to work its magic. America’s best days lie ahead.
Neil: mp: I don't understand your point. Deeply held beliefs that are not handed down to you must have been formed by life experiences, I suspect.
mircea_popescu: Neil money is a transcendent you know.
mircea_popescu: there's a three part bit on trilema about essences, which really i'll have to have translated, it's too important.
mircea_popescu: Neil beliefs and experiences aren't telling the whole story.
mircea_popescu: TomServo perhaps he's senile. or perhaps he has a point.
mircea_popescu: i dun see much future in the us, let alone any magic manifest destiny sort of future. then again, im not from there and ostensibly don't much care.
nubbins`: scary place
nubbins`: everyone bought into the hype and now assumes the hype will carry them through
mircea_popescu: see the thing is : there are indeed some hard working us folk.
mircea_popescu: they are surrounded by the night, and the likely result is they will revisit romania's folly
mircea_popescu: each a little emperor on his little lump of coal
mircea_popescu: that's at least two decades of unlimited economic collapse
Neil: So I was at a bitcoin meetup this evening. Japan. Which has recently learned about bitcoin (there was basically zip in Japanese 1 year ago on the internet, now it's on a par with the information / misinformation content that exists in English).
mircea_popescu: by which point other major infrastructural points start suffering, ie, life in town will no longer be possible, but it is required for a certain post 1700 level of social an economic life.
mircea_popescu: so the whole thing can go africa quite easily.
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ughlol: Hi, I am looking for investment for a startup! :) Some friends over at bitcoin-otc said this might be the right channel to find potential investors!
mircea_popescu: ughlol sure, lurk for half year or so.
Neil: Dude, who works for a media company, says "but bitcoin's not stable. Not robust. I worry about ... " and I'm thinking "WTF are you talking about? I can hardly imagine anything more stable/robust". I don't think I can relate on the same level any more. Too many people want "authority" to tell them what to do / think.
ughlol: Half year? Im sorry, I don't understand.
Apocalyptic: "Too many people want "authority" to tell them what to do / think." // sadly true
jurov: ughlol: have youread the MPOE-PR forum post on bitcoin enterprises?
Neil: Just coz the price bounces around a fair bit has nothing to do with the robustness of the system.
ughlol: jurov: no I havent. Can you please link me?
mircea_popescu: which i don't know because you just dropped here and started talking randomly.
Neil: Fscking Japanese pension system - they lost the records of 20 million people FFS. And then local govt employees were found pocketing money because the records were so inadequate they just could. You can't make something disappear from the block chain. Guy got up and walked off.
ughlol: thanks mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: Neil actually the best measure of bitcoin robustness per se, i would think, is the time - to - hash mechanism.
jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0 i meant this, but above applies too
ozbot: So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right?
Neil: But we need to regulate bitcoin, not the govt or local govt employees, coz they must be good and proper.
ughlol: not a bitcoin business
mircea_popescu: bitcoin has managed to maintain the time needed to get 2k blocks within one to three weeks in spite of infinite % growth of hash power.
ughlol: But a social network. Im looking for investment.
mircea_popescu: i know of no previous instance of a mechanism working so efficiently in all human technical history.
jurov: ughlol: as soon as you want bitcoin investment, it *is* one
ughlol: oh, I see.
ughlol: ok
ughlol: WOT account as in World of Tanks account? :/
jurov: ;;gettrust ughlol
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jurov to user ughlol: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=ughlol | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ughlol | Rated since: never
jurov: ^ no, this one
ughlol: Oh i see.
ughlol: Im on localbitcoins.com
ughlol: I have quite some good rep there.
mircea_popescu: how the shit was that app facebook bought called ?
mircea_popescu: i can't even remember it ;/
nubbins`: whats app?
nubbins`: i had an app that let you send sms messages via email
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 47 @ 0.00385 = 0.181 BTC [-]
nubbins`: stopped updating when whatsapp stole all the customers ;(
ughlol: And if you're worried about who i am, and if im a fraud, I'll give you my real name, and you can google me! :)
nubbins`: well. "stole" is a bit much
Neil: mircea_popescu: It's nice, but nothing special. Just a self-adjusting mechanism. I think the economics / incentives of bitcoin are the smartest part. And the fact (other than block size which was a short-term expedient solution to a short-term problem) that so much was left to just float (including the creation of altcoins for example). I think that took balls and real insight. Satoshi was a cool dude for whom I'd love to buy
Neil: a beer.
mircea_popescu: but... stability.
nubbins`: ughlol: you may find that the barrier to entry is significantly higher here than many, many other places
mircea_popescu: a self adjusting mechanism that turns maxint variation into [.5,1.5] ?
ughlol: Oh, I see.
mircea_popescu: that's something.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 204 @ 0.00386999 = 0.7895 BTC [+] {5}
ughlol: And I have to trade through bitcoin-otc or something to get some rep, otherwise nobody will be interested in investing?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 59 @ 0.0038704 = 0.2284 BTC [+] {2}
Neil: maxint variation? difficulty is bound by [0.25,4] factor per adjustment.
Neil: perhaps I misunderstand
Neil: The fact that transactions (other than coinbase) are equally valid on both sides of a split is also an under-appreciated awesome stability feature.
ughlol: wow
ughlol: mircea_popescu: you wrote one scary-ass post
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00387 = 0.387 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ughlol well ideally you want to be known. you're not currently known. how you resolve this problem is entirely up to you, but sure, wot helps a lot.
ughlol: Im not known here
ughlol: but in the security world, at least in India, quite a bit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00387 = 0.1935 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yes, but you're not trying to deal with the security world of india, are you ?
mircea_popescu: so you'll have to somehow bridge these.
ughlol: I agree.
ughlol: But the real question seems to be identity. Because neither did you ask for my idea to judge. You obviously wonder where your investment will go to.
ughlol: And I understand that, I've seen many fraudsters as well.
jurov: just lurk and you'll certainly find out something to offer and gain rep
jurov: wot is not meant for -otc trading only
ughlol: oh
ughlol: i see
chetty: sit on the actual idea while you get to understand how best to pitch it here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5860002 BTC [-]
ughlol: Now I understand why the rich get richer and poor get poorer! :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3651 @ 0.00080012 = 2.9212 BTC [-]
Neil: ThickAsThieves: b.t.w. with you on your discussion of 16hrs ago that I had to abandon for work
mircea_popescu: ughlol there is no such thing as "an idea".
ughlol: of course there is
ughlol: imho
ughlol: nobody trusts in individuals with ideas anymore
ughlol: and that sucks
ughlol: :(
ughlol: Looks like I'll never get investment for anything
ughlol: Have to do a stupid engineering degree and get a stupid job.
ozbot: Google : exploring the botomless pit of irrelevance, since 2004 or so. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00345783 = 1.3831 BTC [-] {9}
mircea_popescu: ughlol well a constructive approach is always more indicated.
ughlol: mircea_popescu: is that for me?
mircea_popescu: i jhust finished it.
ughlol: mircea_popescu: constructive approach how?
mircea_popescu: as in read those two things, do what you're told, take the time to do it well.
mircea_popescu: finance is a profession, not something happenstance like picking up a coin you found in the bus station.
ughlol: I can't understand how investors dont understand that a two man team can't make a very great app, not in the desired timeframe. They say that they'll invest when they see a prototype.
mircea_popescu: try understanding this part : nobody cares.
ughlol: Yeah
mircea_popescu: the world isn't structured so as to make it possible for you to survive.
ughlol: I agree :(
ughlol: and thats just so sad
mircea_popescu: why is it sad ?
mircea_popescu: i happen to think it's great.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07 = 1.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 199 @ 0.00080012 = 0.1592 BTC [-]
ughlol: Its sad for people that want to do something but cant
mircea_popescu: fuck them ?
mircea_popescu: tell me, do you like girls ?
ughlol: Im one of them! :)
ughlol: Yes, I do
ughlol: lol
mircea_popescu: okay. do you like girls generally or do you like pretty girls ?
ughlol: I like pretty girls..
ughlol: haha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07 = 1.05 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so here's the scoop : if we don't kill the ugly ones, they will slowly multiply and take over.
mircea_popescu: we don't want that, so, unless she's pretty, she's screwed. (otherwise, she's fucked).
ughlol: Omg. You're right.
mircea_popescu: which i suppose is very sad for the ugly girls,
mircea_popescu: except nobody gives a shit what ugly girls think on any topic.
ughlol: Thats true.
ughlol: :O
ughlol: OMG
mircea_popescu: so then there you go. same applies.
ughlol: That makes so much sense.
mircea_popescu: yeah, it makes so much sense, because you told me you're from india and i knew how to construct it.
mircea_popescu: if i didn't know that it'd have never made sense.
mircea_popescu: which is the fucking point here. we gotta know you in order for anything you say to make any sense
mircea_popescu: which is why there's no such thing as "an idea".
ughlol: Yeah, you're right..
mircea_popescu: (ask all these other dudes who live in western countries, the entire girl thing makes 0 sense to them, for isntance)
ughlol: hmm
ughlol: I wish I was born elsewhere
ughlol: the economy in India sucks so bad
ughlol: and Indian investors dont give a shit about anybody :(
ughlol: thanks for enlightening me mircea_popescu
ughlol: Honestly, I first thought you were some random guy full of ego and trolling me
ughlol: Im sorry about that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30884 @ 0.00080038 = 24.7189 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.586 = 7.032 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: <ughlol> But a social network. Im looking for investment. /// boy did he come to the wrong place
ughlol: yeah :(
ughlol: I have 0 luck
ughlol: and was born into the wrong damn community of misers
ughlol: lol
ughlol: but thats just my problem
ughlol: sorry to disturb you all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07 = 0.28 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: well it's okay
ughlol: :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0057102 = 0.2284 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: mp your google article seems to make my Search Party "idea" seem that much better
ThickAsThieves: essentially by outlawing guns, google made it so only outlaws have guns
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.00369999 = 0.2146 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: (SEO penetration)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00080029 = 16.1258 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00571005 = 0.1941 BTC [-] {4}
ThickAsThieves: youre welcome for the idea mircea! ;)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.0037 = 0.518 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07 = 0.63 BTC [+]
dexX7: haha well, not much explaination
dexX7: was he in the us?
imsaguy: Did you know that the venom from the Brazilian Wandering Spider (World's deadliest spider) causes an erection in men? They want to use it in place of viagra.
mircea_popescu: ughlol_afk that's ok, you're not the first one.
dexX7: i'm asking about deprived, because there was also creativx, another us issuer who vanished after btct who had a rock solid reputation
ThickAsThieves: well, ask Deprived, we surely don't know
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves search definitely could use some help. the problem is that by now, it devolved into the www equivalent of the check \cashing service
mircea_popescu: only the [intellectually] poor actually rely on it, and that's a community you never want to serve
ThickAsThieves: all i'm asking for is 20 minutes with Brin, and a fat check
mircea_popescu: imsaguy i knew that, actually.
nubbins`: nothing gets me hard like lethal poison
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.07199999 = 2.016 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: priapism FTW
mircea_popescu: whoa look at that, deprived is back form the dead to call craigate a scammor ?!
mircea_popescu: "If anyone incurred costs taking legal advice in respect of my absence then please PM me and I'll look at reimbursing it (copies of invoices would be required)."
asciilifeform: the 'trezor' stuff is almost physically painful to read. it's as if they knew every single correct design decision, and did... the exact opposite.
mircea_popescu: interesting approach.
mircea_popescu: i could trivially have any of my counsel write me infinity bills and bleed him dry.
mircea_popescu: i wonder wtf people be thinking.
dexX7: i bet most people don't try to exploit stuff
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one of these days write the specifics out rather than the vague summary, you can join the club of slanderous souls.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 yeah. and most people are too naive to be involved with tools as powerful as btc.
mircea_popescu: either one.
dexX7: ^_^
ThickAsThieves: i think Deprived is just claling bullshit on anyone actually seeking counsel and confident everyone is too lazy to get back-invoices
ThickAsThieves: technically he did exactly what he said he would
ThickAsThieves: not communicate until he had news
asciilifeform: dexX7: i bet most people don't try to exploit stuff << 'you may not be interested in war, but war is certainly interested in you.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00080038 = 10.485 BTC [+]
ozbot: J.P. Morgan Depositors Tweet Complaints About Anti-Money Laundering Policy - Risk & Compliance - W
dexX7: well, i never would rely on it, but i think most act in good faith, others are like "omg someone will exploit this" but don't do anything and a tiny subset may actually try something nefarious
nubbins`: showed pascale nude-yoga.com
dexX7: asciilifeform: what do the trezor guys wrong for example? i didn't really follow the progress
nubbins`: she was mightily impressed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07199999 = 0.72 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 0.23396500 BTC to 320`500 shares, 73 satoshi per share
ThickAsThieves: well shit, now Kate is back the same day as Deprived...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00080083 = 37.0784 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: this is all contributing to my spider sense beginning to tingle yesterday
dexX7: kate already "came back" a few days ago
ThickAsThieves: expect notable btc/usd price movement in 3-5 days!
dexX7: or 2-3 weeks, not sure anymore
ThickAsThieves: well now she's actually posting
ThickAsThieves: surprised all it took was threats
Apocalyptic: on litecointalk ?
ThickAsThieves: and now on btctalk
dexX7: "we can't pay divs because of the size of the smallest output" oh well
ThickAsThieves: in case you didnt figure it, BondHolder is me
dexX7: good job then
ThickAsThieves: i got caught with pants down trying to trade that shit
ThickAsThieves: when BTCT closed
dexX7: how much does b1 earn per week in btc per share?
ThickAsThieves: 's based on USD
ThickAsThieves: so not much
dexX7: or it was 0.34 usd or so, right?
ThickAsThieves: i dont even track it honestly
ThickAsThieves: i'd be happy just to redeem them
ThickAsThieves: never intended to hold them
dexX7: i remember what you said at the very beginning via pm when i asked about your standpoint. in the end i can only say: you were right
ThickAsThieves: i shoulda listened to myself
ThickAsThieves: just the buying pressure was strong
ThickAsThieves: of course you probly more mean the PT
ThickAsThieves: than the bond
dexX7: yup
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.19372696 BTC to 3`708 shares, 59162 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07459999 = 1.865 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 19.93320684 BTC to 3`708 shares, 537573 satoshi per share
ThickAsThieves: the tiny dividend excuse is obnoxious
ThickAsThieves: thats why i offered to pay to round it up
ThickAsThieves: probably not even $1 expense to solve
dexX7: the dust limit is 0.0000564 btc which is about 0.036 usd
ThickAsThieves: she also makes it like there are 1000s of holders
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.08733334 = 0.524 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: this is nonsense
ThickAsThieves: AM100 on BTCT probably had the largest qty of shareholders
ThickAsThieves: and i processed tons of shit by hand to render those people whole
ThickAsThieves: i recall it being far less than 1000 holders
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 25 @ 0.08519288 = 2.1298 BTC [-] {5}
dexX7: yea
ThickAsThieves: but i'd have to look it up
dexX7: "For the purposes of the examples below we have used a price of €85.00 EUR/BTC. An interest rate of ~22%/year (0.38%/week) based on EUR/BTC value at time of issue (eg. ~€0.0032 / bond / week)." ... "100,000 bonds"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.0404 = 0.5252 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.08013076 = 1.0417 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: and most of the bonds are held by like 5 people
ThickAsThieves: me, Deprived, Kate (surely)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves kate has been "back" for weeks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.11950724 = 1.0756 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Neil since you mentioned jtd, you ever read the original mpoe prospectus ?
ozbot: Trader kills self in finance world’s latest suicide | New York Post
ThickAsThieves: are finance deaths always this common and merely now more publicized?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the "nazis are losing the war" joke ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.078 = 0.624 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the profession has one of the largest suicide rates.
ThickAsThieves: i assume, but larger lately?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform coupla jews, awaiting to be shot by the nazis. at the last moment, a courrier arrives with orders to hang them instead
mircea_popescu: one jew to the other "heh heh see ? they're clearly losing the war, can't even afford the bullets anymore"
mircea_popescu: apparently even nails for the guns are in short supply
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.0748227 = 1.6461 BTC [-] {12}
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well that i have no idea.
ThickAsThieves: i dont count one bullshit statement as being "back"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.0404 = 1.7372 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 49 @ 0.07204081 = 3.53 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: you'r eback when you tcb
mircea_popescu: well in that case neither are back
ThickAsThieves: now she has 3mos padding
mircea_popescu: i remember back before xmas when we were mocking her cuntdown
mircea_popescu: apparently it got overrun a little /
ThickAsThieves: just a lil
mircea_popescu: and speaking of tcb
ThickAsThieves: i had someone from CT soliciting me to list a PT this week
ThickAsThieves: after speaking, he was like well shit, this really is toxic huh
ThickAsThieves: dunno if he was anyone important enough to stop the madness though
mircea_popescu: the madness shan't be stopped.
mircea_popescu: we just wanna fish bits from the river.
benkay: i'm having police state nightmares and i haven't even done anything
benkay: i blame you guys in general, and mp in particular.
mircea_popescu: o look, they're moving in
mircea_popescu: benkay what did i do!
mircea_popescu: Merry Lopan / Jolly Lopan. let the cutsy translation live 4ever :D
benkay: you know what you did mircea_popescu. you shattered my faith in the ever-victorious empire of capitalism.
mircea_popescu: what, we're gonna win.
benkay: well OBviously
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.04191666 = 0.6287 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: "Top Of Mind scraped Bottom Of Barrel interviewing curmudgeon, Luddite, ignoramus, Statist and low brow unthinker Ken Hess. RLOL!"
mircea_popescu: ok which one of you guise is this ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 96 @ 0.0421 = 4.0416 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00080084 = 38.9208 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04217999 = 0.2109 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bim4lUsIQAIxojO.png << from the "i can prove anything" department
mircea_popescu: apparently, working more is bad for you.
benkay: what's the counter-thesis?
mircea_popescu: that uncorrelated variables are uncorrelated
asciilifeform: u.s. steel production vs. salmonella incidence in france. log-log plot.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 47 @ 0.11950724 = 5.6168 BTC [-]
ozbot: Deluded Currency Cultists Believe The Dollar Is Invincible
mircea_popescu: dexX7 so basically what was it, a combo btc principal + fiat coupon deal ?
ThickAsThieves: like any other bitcoin 'perpetual bond' except divs are based on USD rate
ThickAsThieves: so mostly downside on divs
ThickAsThieves: but still positive
mircea_popescu: but wait i don't understand. work me through this will you ?
ThickAsThieves: assuming redemption is possible
mircea_popescu: so i buy 100 btc worth of bonds, when btc is 100 usd.
mircea_popescu: on first coupon due date, btc is 200 usd.
mircea_popescu: how much is my coupon ?
ThickAsThieves: An interest rate of ~22%/year (0.38%/week) based on EUR/BTC value at time of issue (eg. ~€0.0032 / bond / week.
mircea_popescu: so i get 0.0038*100 btc * 100usd/200usd ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00575 = 0.299 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "After 12 months, each bond may be redeemed at any time by bondholder for 0.01 BTC." seems it was a proper bond.
ThickAsThieves: i believe so
ThickAsThieves: i honest;y never checked the divs
mircea_popescu: ok so basically it's a "get no interest and wait for a year to hear which excuse i pick up for not redeeming" ?
ThickAsThieves: well, get rapidly dwindling interest
mircea_popescu: reference being 85dollars/btc...
ThickAsThieves: if btc had gone down it wouldve given more
ThickAsThieves: only reason i paid attention was as a trader
mircea_popescu: yeah, right, because random dragon-in-human-skin mental patient is very likely to efficiently conserve value.
mircea_popescu: it'd have paid more in what, hormones ?
ThickAsThieves: and i got what i deserved in that regard
ThickAsThieves: btct closed, kate got married
mircea_popescu: it boggles me that these ever sold for as premium
mircea_popescu: what did they trade as ?
dexX7: the good old btct times
ThickAsThieves: they were going at like 5% premium
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04168 = 0.2084 BTC [+] {2}
imsaguy: hmm
imsaguy: I need to start fancy paper stuffs
ThickAsThieves: but i suspect Kate as also playing the market
imsaguy: start selling*
dexX7: yea pretty sure
ThickAsThieves: she openly said so
ThickAsThieves: if i recall
imsaguy: so who did kate marry?
imsaguy: goat?
mircea_popescu: hqahahaa
ThickAsThieves: deprived obv
imsaguy: I don't follow days of our forum
mircea_popescu: "Fed is 'about to' propose capital surcharge on largest financial firms."
imsaguy: so obv isn't obv
mircea_popescu: that should go over well
mircea_popescu: imsaguy i think he's being sarcastic
mircea_popescu: i... hope he's being sarcastic
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: they mostly come out at night, mostly
ThickAsThieves: but they do have very coincidental availability
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BinwxJqCYAAoCcZ.jpg << "daytrading on scamsites" is strangely absent
imsaguy: probably the same person
imsaguy: deprived probably named his right hand kate
mircea_popescu: so your theory is that deprived is actually kate's ex male personality ?
benkay: here's a surcharge
mircea_popescu: meanwhile deprived of c0k ?
ThickAsThieves: i spoke with deprived once
imsaguy: no mircea_popescu
benkay: stop lending them money at 0% and letting them lend it to the usg at 2 or whatever
ThickAsThieves: i find it very hard to believe he is a tranny
imsaguy: kata ala rosie palmer
imsaguy: kate*
ThickAsThieves: he's a happy-go-lucky soccer/pub-lover
dexX7: kate != deprived
mircea_popescu: spoke with ie, you went to a bar ?
dexX7: large gap between knowledge and style of writing
ThickAsThieves: voice over internet
ThickAsThieves: he was on his way to a bar though
mircea_popescu: dexX7 i agree, was kinda curious what his theory is.
ThickAsThieves: i do think they have some sort of connection
ThickAsThieves: family, friend, or something
mircea_popescu: well sure, he fell for her dog and pony show about respectable uk business woman.
mircea_popescu: that's a connection.
ThickAsThieves: it would of course be aweome drama if they are husbands
imsaguy: what ever happened to mr. glbse?
mircea_popescu: why not wives ?
mircea_popescu: imsaguy he's waiting at the chinese border for his btc to be worth enough to allow him passage.
ThickAsThieves: well i'm not lifting those skirts
ThickAsThieves: you do it
imsaguy: lol
imsaguy: 1,2,3 not it
benkay: noes goes
benkay: nose
dexX7: .bait
benkay: chetty: in my dream every seat but the mid-row passenger seat in my truck was filled with a cop, and as I went to hop in my truck to do something, other cops stuffed me in the empty seat. and i haven't even been watching movies lately?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35480 @ 0.00080127 = 28.4291 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: anyways the part that stuck with me was how they thought i'd been in louisiana, and had derped their butts out to the Cascades to have a "talk" with me. all eight of them.
ThickAsThieves: sounds like you feel trapped in your own "home"
chetty: You sure that was dream benkay? Sounds like daily life
mircea_popescu: whats in louisiana
benkay: that's whats got me antsy this morning. "just because i'm paranoid does not mean they're not out to get me."
benkay: rotting manses from the sugar days? iono, i dont touch that part of the continent.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07501403 = 7.5014 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.0766 = 0.8426 BTC [-]
VanCleef: i'm looking fowardto mircea's new bitcoin tv showcalled "Why Mircea is better than you."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59888998 = 1.1978 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.07589999 = 0.759 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: i'm looking forward to mircea's new sexual exhibitionist show "you thought she looked good in the studio!"
mircea_popescu: i'm looking forward to mircea's new female body, "you thought he's just a guy ?!?!?!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49988 @ 0.00080143 = 40.0619 BTC [+] {3}
VanCleef: /semihard
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16251 @ 0.00080029 = 13.0055 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15799 @ 0.00080135 = 12.6605 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.07326315 = 1.392 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13084 @ 0.00079918 = 10.4565 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07689999 = 0.3076 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00572 = 0.1144 BTC [-]
benkay: .bait
nubbins`: bait should start sourcing from naked-yoga
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0424765 = 0.8495 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00080225 = 7.6214 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.07325 = 0.879 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0769 = 0.3845 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.04249999 = 0.765 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: from the circus:
ozbot: Ukraine: The Sovereignty Argument, and the Real Problem of Fascism » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12418 @ 0.00080069 = 9.943 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 65 @ 0.00220032 = 0.143 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.01729509 = 0.2248 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 17 @ 0.01600797 = 0.2721 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.03810001 = 0.381 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00079866 = 45.1243 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 39 @ 0.0037691 = 0.147 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 40 @ 0.00365188 = 0.1461 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.585501 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0059338 = 0.5934 BTC [+]
blackwhite: is there some data source to get the trading volume, price etc?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04289993 = 0.429 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04314428 = 0.4314 BTC [+] {3}
mike_c: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600100 / 0.00623437 / 0.00647960 (373 shares, 2.32542147 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.00560099 / 0.00900001 (28538 shares, 159.84093509 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.00555348 / 0.00900001 (53890 shares, 299.27693509 BTC)
mike_c: i don't know about etc, but there is price and trading volume
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0438 = 0.438 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07698998 = 0.8469 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.04466666 = 0.402 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.045 = 0.945 BTC [+] {3}
mjr_: whats up everybody
mjr_: I am trying to work out details to come to lovely timisoara
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.073 = 1.168 BTC [-]
mike_c: blackwhite: for stocks? mpex stocks here: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ havelock here: http://coinflow.co/chart/HAVELOCK/RENT
blackwhite: so I want the actual data source (for my own visualization)
mike_c: and that's it, the link store is closed.
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benkay: mircea_popescu: your footnotes make for inconsistent line heights
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mike_c: i need a quick little pile of atc. can anybody sell me 1k atc @ 200 satoshis per?
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thestringpuller: ;;ud trapstar
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapstar | trap star. one that is good at drug dealing, or someone that makes alot of money from drug dealing. See Trapper. Dat niggas sold so much weight this year, hes a  ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: trapstar
thestringpuller: ;;ud trapping
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapping | to set up on the corner and sell dope. man im bout to go to the trap and make some cheese. by monolog May 06, 2003. 1207 191. Mugs & shirts Buy “trapping”  ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: trapping
thestringpuller: ;;ud trap star
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapstar | trap star. one that is good at drug dealing, or someone that makes alot of money from drug dealing. See Trapper. Dat niggas sold so much weight this year, hes a  ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: trapstar
thestringpuller: ;;ud trapper
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapper | drug dealer, mainly this word is used in the south. that nigga is a straight trapper fo life. by Auguste October 17, 2005. 538 56. Mugs & shirts Buy “trapper” mugs ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: trapper
thestringpuller: ;;ud trap
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trap | The area where drug deals are carried out. The dope boy is in the trap tonight. by Shipp December 03, 2003. 4691 1533. Mugs & shirts Buy “Trap” mugs & shirts ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: trap
benkay: thestringpuller: you know gribble responds in private chat, right?
ThickAsThieves: bet you didn't know it's derived from
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ThickAsThieves: ;;crab trap
gribble: Error: "crab" is not a valid command.
ThickAsThieves: ;;ud crab trap
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crab%20trap | When the recipient of anal sex squeezes his or her sphincter trapping the giver's penis so he cannot pull out easily.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: crab trap
ThickAsThieves: no not that
ThickAsThieves: they used to call it a crab trap
ThickAsThieves: which became trapping
ThickAsThieves: cuz they all stuck in the pot
ThickAsThieves: and got a crab mentality
mike_c: hm, what is a crab mentality?
ozbot: Crab mentality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
benkay: related to:
ozbot: Law of Jante - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ThickAsThieves: well to think like a base animal
ThickAsThieves: like the trap is the whole world
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ThickAsThieves: fighting for the food
ThickAsThieves: tearing eachother up
ThickAsThieves: wiki says it better
ThickAsThieves: of course like many things in that culture it transformed from an insult to a compliment
mike_c: sounds like bitcointalk
mike_c: or perhaps that is the reverse. they are all too willing to shove some stupid crab up into the spotlight.
ThickAsThieves: yeha not really similar
ThickAsThieves: the older hip hop heads still call it a crab trap though
mike_c: and mpoe-pr stands above smacking stupid crabs back into the pot.
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benkay: btctalk is more like "anyone can be a special fairy!"
benkay: it's more like "those doods launched an exchange and so can derp!"
mike_c: lol. special fairy.
ThickAsThieves: i cant come up with a choice analogy for btctalk, but I'd say Idiocracy is close
benkay: group delusions of competence
ThickAsThieves: trappers even prop up the concept of being ignornat
ThickAsThieves: ignorant
ThickAsThieves: it's like being tough or real
ThickAsThieves: fuckit i ignant
ThickAsThieves: acknowledging sometimes they just wanna let loose
ThickAsThieves: and be hood
ThickAsThieves: so many awesome cultural phenomenons on the hood
benkay: you'll note that the successful hustlers like the jiggaman actually do take a certain amount of pride in their ability to do accounting and such: http://rapgenius.com/Jay-z-no-hook-lyrics#note-38838
dexX7: http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/screen-shot-2014-03-13-at-08-20-39.png leah is hiding and practising how to shoot to be ready for "the nice pre-puberty bitcoin community"
benkay: notably unlike the bitcoin "businesses"
benkay: who've yet to catch up to the drug dealers in terms of financials.
ThickAsThieves: black people always can find pride in what they arew
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ThickAsThieves: i know that's a generalization
nubbins`: nice
ThickAsThieves: but in sense ive met many more "real" black people than white
nubbins`: wait, so she's giving up "journalism" and becoming a hunter?
ThickAsThieves: she's so stupid...
dexX7: in this case we'd at least don't hear any trash reports from her again
dexX7: but i don't believe she'll stop ;)
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ThickAsThieves: she'll stop because she's a husk now
ThickAsThieves: no one wants her
ThickAsThieves: she'll need to go solo
ThickAsThieves: and be a sensationalist blogger
benkay: is she married?
ThickAsThieves: i'd bet no
ThickAsThieves: her staying with a gf and all
ThickAsThieves: she's obv the type to blame things on everyone else
ThickAsThieves: i imagine her personality to be much like Lena Dunham's character on Girls
benkay: it's never to late to snag one, i guess.
ThickAsThieves: hopelessly lost in self importance
ThickAsThieves: i guarantee she can't cook either
benkay: f that
benkay: while making dinner with a babe is a wonderful, potentially very sexy experience, i expect dishes on the dinner table.
thestringpuller: You know the characters on Girls are pretty much spot one with the youth of today. It's really sad. Fucking American young people suck.
thestringpuller: "I hate doing actual work I just want experiences and want to be free and feel fulfilled without any effort.:
Apocalyptic: not only American thestringpuller
thestringpuller: It's like fuck off and die already.
dexX7: sounds like you're 60+
dexX7: jk :)
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thestringpuller: I'm 26 and feel like I'm going on 60
thestringpuller: fucking 22 year olds I hire can't do shit
thestringpuller: 15 year olds are better at hustling
thestringpuller: 15 year olds from the hood*
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what were they hired to do?
dexX7: what kind of business do you run? :D
dexX7: tree farms?
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thestringpuller: asciilifeform: hired one person to be an Executive Assistant. Siri was better at his job than him...so we let him go.
thestringpuller: hired an engineer who didn't know what a for loop was
thestringpuller: literally didn't know what a for loop was; you can't make this shit up
thestringpuller: college grad with CS degree and all
asciilifeform: graduate of Spam U ?
thestringpuller: Essentially. Cept not the online kind.
thestringpuller: Local community Spam U
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
asciilifeform: usg steals a few irc botnets.
asciilifeform: laugh/cry
benkay: what is this "quantum" referencing?
asciilifeform: name for a particular malware-production group at nsa
asciilifeform: no actual quanta harmed.
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dub: was the spearfishing/mitm/injection atttack called quantum too?
dub: s/f/ph
dub: ie, the delivery
HowardF: lol
dub: helps to click links I guess
Apocalyptic: thestringpuller, you get what you pay for I guess
thestringpuller: Apocalyptic: if that were the case I would pay everyone under minimum wage until they stop complaining about not being able to do their job
Apocalyptic: sounds fair
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dexX7: i'd be interested in something that could log any usage ofthis backdoor
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nubbins`: "alternative methods"
nubbins`: i wonder what planet the person who did that rendering is from
nubbins`: and if they ever stacked blocks as a child
dexX7: :D
asciilifeform: photos of casascius coins in unrelated context seems to be a good heuristic for scammitude.
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nubbins`: those aren't casascius coins, just an impossibly unbalanced stack that someone did up in Blender or something
dexX7: the context is "offline"
nubbins`: seriously, look at the stack on the right
nubbins`: i fuckin DARE ya to stack seven coins like that.
asciilifeform: imagine if every media piece on, say, 400 horsepower mercedes benz, had to include a picture of... that many actual horses
nubbins`: hahah
ughlol: mircea_popescu: mind if I pm?
nubbins`: that would be great
ughlol: lol
ThickAsThieves: i see bitstamp isnt invited to the blockchain.info hot to buy page
ThickAsThieves: nor coinbase
ThickAsThieves: such good friends they all were to kick gox's corpse tho
ThickAsThieves: how to buy*
benkay: how to butt
benkay: bitcoin-central doesn't seem to be on that list either
dexX7: ThickAsThieves: only one per region: us, gb, eu, au, sg
dexX7: at least that's what is shown, if you log into a blockchain.info wallet
ThickAsThieves: i see that casascius sells blanks, but do people sell sticker printing kits?
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ughlol: Im trying to create a rape intervention service in India
ughlol: and looking for investment for the same
ughlol: anybody interested?
ThickAsThieves: a social media rape service?
ThickAsThieves: sounds fishy
ughlol: rape intervention
ughlol: social network with such a feature
ughlol: but rape prevention/intervention is the USP
Azelphur: how would that work? O.o
HowardF: how would such a thing make profit?
benkay: nubbins` yeah lol what is even center of gravity?
ughlol: Azelphur: Imagine you're a girl, if you feel you'll be raped, all you'd need to do is press an SOS button and your location will be relayed to the nearest PD and the friends who are within a few km's radius and your family.
ughlol: HowardF: Ads, etc..
Azelphur: so this is a hardware device?
ughlol: no
ughlol: a software
benkay: apps!
benkay: apps for everyone and everything!
ughlol: Android app that takes advantage of location services
ughlol: benkay: precisely
Azelphur: I see
ughlol: "A seven-year-old-girl was raped on a train traveling through the Indian state of Chhattisgarh, and discarded near a market in Bilaspur City. The rape is believed to have taken place sometime between Friday night, August 9 and Saturday morning, August 10. The perpetrator had forced his way in while the child went to use the toilet, and thrust an Indian 10-rupee note in her hand when he was done."
Azelphur: and yea, where's the profit?
ughlol: I feel pathetic about the condition of girls in my country (India)
ughlol: and how they have no freedom due to some pathetic people (rapists)
ughlol: Azelphur: profit is through ads in the app, and also sponsorship from govt etc.
ughlol: This would be the USP for my app
HowardF: i like the idea, but see any kind of profit unlikely. however asking for donations rather than investments may get you somewhere...
ughlol: USP == Unique Selling Proposition
Azelphur: ads in the app...that sounds like a ridiculously terrible idea for something like this
ughlol: Azelphur: It will be a social networking application that revolves around location services and the rape intervention will be a major feature of the app.
HowardF: agreed. last thing someone about to get raped needs to see is an ad for condoms..
ughlol: Social networks can earn tons of revenue from ads.
ughlol: FlappyBird made around 50,000USD per day from ads
TomServo: How would this work in the train rape scenario you quoted?
ughlol: I think a social network can make similar amounts
Azelphur: ughlol: yes, but flappy bird was an app people repeatedly use, your app isn't, it's one time use
HowardF: ( having written and worked for several very large social networks by the way, let me assure you, ads don't make as much as you think )
ughlol: TomServo: I was thinking of having people register as helpers. People that have reputation, whose identity we can verify.
ughlol: these 'helpers' can help in such emergencies
TomServo: Right.. but the location?
ughlol: HowardF: oh, then I am mistaken.
punkman: ughlol, you need DRONES
ughlol: TomServo: the location would be inaccurate, but it is possible to send an sos message to nearby people based on last seen location etc.
HowardF: i still think there are places and countries where this wouldn't be a bad idea though. india, but also large areas of africa, etc.
ughlol: punkman: haha, i doubt i can afford drones. Cant afford a 2nd hand server.
ughlol: lol
ughlol: HowardF: thank you for the support sir, that means a lot.
Azelphur: yea, I like the idea, there's lots of things that could be done (alarm, contract nearby, just like he says)
Azelphur: but, there's no profit in i
ThickAsThieves: your idea is horrible
ThickAsThieves: scrap it
ughlol: India is my prime target. I've seen a video that literally made me tear. I would link you, but it is in Hindi..
ThickAsThieves: try again
ughlol: Azelphur: I believe profit can be integrated. If not ads, there are probably other ways.
HowardF: looking for profit while writting this is the wrong idea though. look for donations / goverment / non-profit support instead
ughlol: ThickAsThieves: really? You think so?
ThickAsThieves: also dont go calling things social media (or any other trendy word) just to get attention
Azelphur: HowardF++
ThickAsThieves: it has the opposite reaction
ughlol: HowardF: I agree.
ughlol: ThickAsThieves: You think Im trying to get attention?
ThickAsThieves: you dont advertise to possible rape victims
benkay: ughlol: you're making the mistake of looking at a random event as a reproducible event.
ThickAsThieves: and an app is not social media
benkay: all app successes are accidents of timing and positioning.
ughlol: Watch it with a translator and then tell me Im trying to seek just attention and scam away some bitcoins.
ThickAsThieves: you said scam
ughlol: benkay: A rape happens every 18 hours in India's capital city.
ughlol: ThickAsThieves: think what you may.
benkay: ughlol: you fail to make a point.
ThickAsThieves: second, nevermin
ThickAsThieves: this deserves no more attention
Azelphur: ughlol: there also seems to be apps that already do most of what you're suggesting
HowardF: in south africa rapes happen every few minutes... there are places where this kind of app could definately be take seriously.
ughlol: benkay: you meant that rape is a radom event?
ughlol: There is currently NO rape intervention/prevention app in the market.
Azelphur: HowardF: agree with you :)
ughlol: Yes, you're right HowardF
benkay: no i mean that you can't use flappy bird as an example of how much money you'll make, ughlol.
ughlol: oh
ughlol: i see
ughlol: sorry
benkay: it's not going to prevent rapes.
Azelphur: yea, the flappy bird thing was pretty crazy xD
benkay: rapist smacks phone out of girls hand.
benkay: continues to rape.
benkay: your app has failed.
benkay: NEXT.
HowardF: benkay, even if it succeded in calling out for help / support after the fact, it could be useful
Azelphur: yea, that's why I think an alarm would be better, that at least gets the attention of people around you
ughlol: Azelphur: doesn't create an SOS signal with current location using GPS.
Azelphur: an alarm MIGHT have prevented the train one, for example
benkay: or not letting your girl go to the bathroom unattended in fucking india
benkay: this is a human problem, not a technological one.
ughlol: benkay: it may fail. but it will help many.
ughlol: even if it helps 1 person, it succeeds.
benkay: and how will it make money? because that's basically all we care about in here.
ughlol: technology is moving towards changing peoples lives.
benkay: ads are out.
Azelphur: benkay: I think we already established that it won't
ughlol: HowardF: based on your experience, is there no way for an app like this to make money?
ughlol: Maybe not in the millions, but at least a break-even?
HowardF: difficult at best. asking for money to install the app would be insulting. ads would be insulting.
Azelphur: HowardF: my thought with ads was one that it's single use, and 2 accidental clicking lol
ughlol: Ads might not be insulting. After all, its a great service for free..
joecool: <benkay> or not letting your girl go to the bathroom unattended in fucking india < why go to india in the first place
joecool: could go just about *anywhere* else better in the world
HowardF: donations / non-profit status is the only path i could see, but done correctly, that could certianly be a viable option
ughlol: and they can understand that to develop and maintain something like this, we require som emoney.
ughlol: Azelphur: clicking the SOS button can't be accidental.. will implement a simple code or pattern or something so that it cant be pressed accidentally.
ughlol: HowardF: any idea who might be interested to donate to something like this?
Azelphur: ughlol: getting more useless, also re-read what I said, that's not what I suggested.
HowardF: trust me, ads ALWAYS insult people... even on facebook they still get crap for showing ads.
ughlol: oh
Azelphur: I was talking about accidentally clicking an advert during a crisis situation
ughlol: ok
ughlol: ah, i see Azelphur
Azelphur: and if you're having codes and patterns...yea that's so not gonna work
HowardF: i would look for / seek out help from organizations that already deal with rape and rape victims. there are lots, and they would be a good place to start
Azelphur: tl;dr what you want is a rape whistle, it's better than anything you've mentioned
HowardF: some larger ones may well be willing to sponsor or provide a grant.
Azelphur: 1) cheaper, 2) more widely available, 3) has a much higher chance of success
ughlol: Azelphur: Little girls scream for help, and nobody cares. Nobody wants to interfere.
ughlol: This isn't America.
ughlol: Nobody wants to be the hero.
Azelphur: ah, that's shitty
HowardF: also, no reason you couldn't combine a rape whistle function / ping for help in one button press
ughlol: This is India.
Azelphur: but yea, GPS is too far man, that won't work
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ughlol: Why so?
ughlol: I think GPS should do the trick.
ughlol: It should give a very accurate location.
Azelphur: best case scenario to get to the destination is 10 minutes I'd say, even if it was just around the corner
Azelphur: by then the attacker is probably done and gone
benkay: .bait
benkay: mm wow
benkay: .bait
HowardF: based on the assumption someone is being raped / hurt, i imagine it only has to be accurate enough to get within earshot of someone screaming
ughlol: true
benkay: what if they're on a train?
Azelphur: ^ that too
benkay: fat load of use this thing will be.
jcpham: train rape
ughlol: benkay: pls scroll up, we discussed that a bit..
benkay: fat load of use this thing will be anyways.
ughlol: yeah
HowardF: and again, even if it can't stop a rape, it could at least call out for first responders / medical help
ughlol: its better than doing nothing
ughlol: and just bitching about every idea that exists
Azelphur: HowardF: yea that was my thinking, it'd be good for after care
ughlol: thinking that it can't help 100% of the rape victims
Azelphur: but that's about all it'd be good for
benkay: nope, shooting down shitty ideas makes the world a better place.
ughlol: To me, even if it helps 1%, its a success.
benkay: to you, just talking about it makes you feel like you're doing something to help
ughlol: i want to make it.
Azelphur: ughlol: that's the thing, I can't even think of any situation where this app would work, at all
ughlol: Not just talk about it.
benkay: so go make it and quit bullshitting.
Azelphur: then go make it, you don't need money
benkay: prove me wrong.
benkay: you don't need money to change the world, just passion and drive, right guys?
ughlol: benkay: do you have a twitter profile?
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ughlol: I'll prove you wrong.
ughlol: benkay: you're wrong.
benkay: less talk, more do.
benkay: go.
ughlol: resources count as well. not just passion and drive.
HowardF: also, if you actually look at rape statistics, its rarely a quick thing, and often theres a period of lead up before the actual rape, so its usefulness may be greater than you guys think...
joecool: wat
benkay: what about a fucking whistle?
ughlol: Thank you HowardF.
benkay: what about martial arts training?
benkay: those are things that i'll buy might have a shot at changing a rape event's outcome
HowardF: your missing the point benkay. everybody already carries a phone. no need to change existing habits
benkay: no, you're missing the point. this app on a phone isn't changing anything.
Azelphur: ughlol: dowhat...I built fuckloads of shit
Azelphur: I started on $20 and a computer I built from shit in a skip
Azelphur: so don't start crap about you need capital, you're in the wrong place for that ;)
ughlol: I doubt Azelphur.
Azelphur: really?
ughlol: Yes, really.
Azelphur: ...ok then
ughlol: I myself am a developer and security consultant.
benkay: famous in india, we hear!
ughlol: not exactly, but kinda
ughlol: lol
HowardF: i would say working on a prototype before asking anyone for an investment is top priority though. money for ideas doesn't happen without something to back it up
benkay: so go hire some $10/hr indian android devs for 2 months of work
benkay: ;;calc 10*80*8
gribble: 6400
ughlol: I agree. I'm currently working on the prototype.
benkay: shouldn't cost you more than seven grand.
HowardF: if you know java, it shouldn't cost you anything but time
Azelphur: note the CRT monitors with tube burnout, laptop with a piece of string supporting the screen, and TV with smashed in buttons.
Azelphur: those were the days folks, those were the days.
ughlol: Yeah, 7000usd = 4,28,190INR. And thats more than 4months of my fathers salary.
ughlol: benkay: ^
ughlol: Azelphur: wow. That does look nice :)
Azelphur: ughlol: that was to disprove the whole you can't start from $20 and skill argument.
Azelphur: here's what I have now, just to contrast. http://i.imgur.com/YOuK4UK.jpg :)
ughlol: $20 cant even buy me a second had server capable enough to handle location services etc.
ughlol: (assuming i coded the app on my own)
ughlol: these things require some amount of investment
Azelphur: ughlol: no, but it can pay for like 4 months of VPS service, which is what I did.
ughlol: but yes, I wont argue anymore considering that there is no profit in the idea.
Azelphur: I had to go to the host and specifically request a 32MB VPS, they didn't sell them, and the host actually told me I was crazy and that I couldn't even get the OS to run in that. But I did, and everything else I needed :)
Azelphur: I probably still have the chat logs from that somewhere, haha
ThickAsThieves: does india not have a polic emergency line?
ughlol: You can get a VPS for 4months for $20?
ughlol: ThickAsThieves: no
Azelphur: ughlol: hell yes, even less now man, this was 10 years ago
Azelphur: now you can get like 512MB for $2, it's awesome
ThickAsThieves: so what happens when rapee uses your app
ughlol: police actually lockup the victim, and also rape her a couple of times.. thats the reality in inda
ThickAsThieves: who comes running?
ughlol: or they tell the victim to compromise and drop the case
ughlol: ThickAsThieves: family, nearby friends and nearby 'helpers'
ThickAsThieves: so it's like a digital rape whistle
Azelphur: ughlol: https://bluevm.com/ $2.50/mo, for example
ughlol: Azelphur: link me? I'll buy it right now..?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The biggest obstacle I'd face putting together a book, especially a BTC one would be getting lines and bettors on those lines such that I could make vig intsead of propping up the otherside of every line.
ughlol: ThickAsThieves: yes, and more effective (imho)
Azelphur: there's another host that is even cheaper, I just can't remember its name off the top of my head
HowardF: actually that again brings up the point of support rather than prevention. it could also summon a human rights / free lawyer to prevent indias corrupt police from harrasing victims
Azelphur: actually, here it is, http://buyvm.net/ $15 / year
ThickAsThieves: the app would be so easy to replicate
ThickAsThieves: i dont see how it can make money
Azelphur: HowardF: now that's a good idea
ughlol: Whatsapp isn't difficult to replicate.
Azelphur: although again, it's all unprofitable
ughlol: There are so many services like whatsapp.
ThickAsThieves: whatsapp had value cuz user data
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Legality wise I'm sure I could just say the book is part of the "Enhanced Reality game Bitcoin" like Micon does
ThickAsThieves: surely you dont intend to sell user data
Azelphur: ughlol: see what I'm saying? Starting up on $20 isn't hard ;)
Azelphur: just gotta be smart.
Azelphur: heck, you could startup on $0
ughlol: HowardF: yes, thats another great idea. Wow. I love discussing this here! :D The lawyer idea.. amazing. Thanks. *Noted*
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HowardF: profit with this app is pretty much out. but non-profit support isn't
ThickAsThieves: yes you might be able to get a DV shelter to get a grant for it
HowardF: i think you're just in the wrong room to discuss this particular project
Azelphur: I tend to aim at $0 initial when I'm making new things
Azelphur: but I'm crazy. xD
ughlol: How about asking rape victims to donate after they get saved due to the app.. just to help other future rape victims?
ughlol: Would that also be insulting?
ThickAsThieves: well the problem is that's how he started
ThickAsThieves: who has money for me?!
ughlol: Not highly profitable, but we can make the break-even.
ThickAsThieves: social media!
Azelphur: ughlol: nope, this idea is a nonprofit
HowardF: not as insulting, no, but probably also not anywhere near enough to make it worth while.
ughlol: ah
ughlol: ah well
ughlol: some friends sent me here from bitcoin-otc..
ThickAsThieves: you could make the app and charge DV shelters to implement custom localized versions
ughlol: sorry to waste all your time guys
Azelphur: ughlol: doesn't seem like a waste, you got some ideas, and you have more of an idea of what you can/can't do now
ughlol: Yes, thats true..
ThickAsThieves: you may even make a living of it yourself
ThickAsThieves: but it's not an investment opportunity
Azelphur: hopefully you can make a nonprofit app that does the things we mentioned, like sending out a humanitarian lawyer and someone to help
Azelphur: at the very least you can help some people after the fact, I'd think
ughlol: haha, I wish to make an investment from my social network and leave the USP to actually help rape victims.
ughlol: Azelphur: definitely
ughlol: I will do that..
HowardF: indeed... just a few tweaks and i actually think you have a workable idea.
Azelphur: ughlol: good luck, keep your code lightweight and you can run it on a 128MB buyvm server no problem
HowardF: focus more on support than prevention (though you can definately do both), and focus on grants from non-profits
ughlol: Thats great! :) Thanks guys.. will do. Saved this chat for reference and to remember the suggestions.
ughlol: I'll come back on this chan when I have the app ready and runny, and then make fun of benkay! (Just kidding).
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30736 @ 0.00080103 = 24.6205 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: 31 Year Old Son Of Jon Corzine Reported Dead | Zero Hedge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33725 @ 0.00080309 = 27.0842 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21451 @ 0.00080142 = 17.1913 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04535987 = 0.4536 BTC [+] {7}
benkay: did we rid -assets of the rapist?
benkay: BingoBoingo: can't you use Bitbet to hold the line?
benkay: hold/build/whatever the appropriate terminology is
BingoBoingo: benkay: Well, hedging on Bitbet would require sufficient betting interest in the event to make the event worthwhile to BitBet, and BitBet is showing sports betting with BTC isn't that big of a Market
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.074 = 0.222 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 42 @ 0.073 = 3.066 BTC [-] {3}
mike_c: bitbet is showing that parimutuel sports betting isn't that big yet..
ThickAsThieves: 'When it comes to currencies, “community is everything,”'
ThickAsThieves: 'Mr. Pierce said GoCoin’s analysis of the dogecoin community revealed a demographic very different from bitcoin’s, including many more women and less-tech-oriented users. He believes this in part stems from dogecoin’s logo'
BingoBoingo: mike_c: It seems more likely that BTC denominated sports betting is shrinking in terms of BTC bet
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benkay: such trust!
ozbot: BitBook.biz - Bitcoin sportsbook - Instant Withdrawals - Widely Trusted
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00080315 = 14.0551 BTC [+]
benkay: "Its very bad news why are you going to do this I am very upset need to rethink about this"
BingoBoingo: So far their winddown doesn't seem scammy. I managed to get my coins out. It's also likely that running the thing just was too much of a hassle. Then again, it could get really scammy.
benkay: best way to not lose btc is to not do anything with 'em
BingoBoingo: Pretty much.
ozbot: Benchmark Backs Bitcoin Secure Storage Provider Xapo - Bloomberg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00572 = 0.1144 BTC [-]
benkay: yeah that's interesting
punkman: "When you want to safely store your bitcoin savings, use Xapo's Vault. We use layer after layer of proprietary security protocol, including man, machine, and even a mountain"
benkay: one of the funds that got hammered is behind that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00080229 = 5.5358 BTC [-]
twizt: pankkake: someone pretending to be you PMing me
twizt: pankkakee
twizt: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00080315 = 4.4976 BTC [+]
benkay: what's the scam, twizt?
twizt: trying to trade ltc for btc
twizt: i told him i only trade penis coin for vagina coin LOL
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07300003 = 0.219 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55722 @ 0.00080058 = 44.6099 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2809 @ 0.00080315 = 2.256 BTC [+]
Neil: This MH370 thing is like a real-time slapstick farce.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: the privkeys are just printed on regular paper
nubbins`: upon which the sticker is laid
benkay: gimme the lulz, Neil
benkay: it's kinda lolarious these vehicles aren't in touch with controllers at all time via satellite
benkay: unless of course i'm as usual missing an important part of the situation
asciilifeform: benkay: the funniest bit is that there is a real-time sat link - including remote control.
asciilifeform: this was introduced in a hurry after '9/11' and vanished from the media as quickly as it appeared.
ThickAsThieves: nubbins` do the blanks come with stickers?
asciilifeform: has anyone offered a prize for snarfing the key from an intact coin?
asciilifeform: i'm reasonably certain that it is possible to do so, but have no wish to steal from anyone.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: it's been done at hacker conferences and/or in a blog post I believe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00080331 = 8.3946 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: link?
asciilifeform: if i recall, the current state-of-the-art involves a careful removal and replacement of the hologram
ozbot: Casascius Physical Bitcoins Cracked at Defcon - Coding In My Sleep - A Bitcoin Blog
nubbins`: old news ;D
nubbins`: apparently they left evidence of tampering
asciilifeform: not what i had in mind at all (if you want to know what, read the channel logs, no reason to repeat)
ThickAsThieves: i recall you talking on the topic before
ThickAsThieves: i'm not interested in them as a foolproof secure storage
ThickAsThieves: more a way for family member to store some
asciilifeform: i have very little interest in the subject of casascius in particular, but in general i like the idea of 'blowing' systems that make false promises of security.
ThickAsThieves: i trust my mom could keep a coin safe, a bitcoin however
benkay: safe + drives + paper backups
ThickAsThieves: + solvent ink vinyl backups
benkay: bwaat?
nubbins`: like business signs
nubbins`: i'm not sure if blanks come with paper
nubbins`: err sorry
nubbins`: they do come with stickers
ThickAsThieves: drives can corrupt, aqueous ink can dissolve, paper can disintegrate
ThickAsThieves: solvent ink can only be removed with solvent
ThickAsThieves: vinyl has different weaknesses than paper
nubbins`: aluminum strips and embossing tape
benkay: sometime this year i hope to have an etching process up
ThickAsThieves: not bad nubbins
asciilifeform: consider clay tablet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24430 @ 0.00080355 = 19.6307 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ooh that too
ThickAsThieves: does aluminum surive house fire?
nubbins`: doubt it
nubbins`: you can probably melt that tape with a bic
benkay: fast conduction tho
KRS1: alum melts easily
benkay: maybe instead of etching, i'll buy a small mill
nubbins`: <asciilifeform> has anyone offered a prize for snarfing the key from an intact coin? << not afaik. would have to be a hefty reward
nubbins`: since any failed attempt would mean the loss of not-insignificant value
ThickAsThieves: not sure who would fund such
asciilifeform: could offer prize specifically for reading the key without physically altering the coin.
asciilifeform: likewise it is not unreasonable to expect players to purchase their own test coin.
nubbins`: you can get brass coins for a premium of ~0.2btc
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: 2013 1btc brass ones fetch 1.15-1.3 on the forums and -otc
nubbins`: i've seen some sellers offer 2013 0.5btc brass for 0.69
nubbins`: but i wouldn't sell mine for that low
nubbins`: the silvers fetch a higher premium, you wouldn't see a 1btc silver sell for less than 2.0-2.1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43394 @ 0.00080395 = 34.8866 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04594999 = 0.1838 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59763332 = 1.7929 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.603895 = 1.2078 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.604 = 1.812 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.605 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34388 @ 0.00080203 = 27.5802 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00354847 = 1.7742 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.605 = 2.42 BTC [+]
dexX7_: http://mark-karpeles.com/m.php wow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.046 = 0.138 BTC [+]
dexX7_: gox trades and balances partly deanonymized with the help of the 2011 leak
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6899 @ 0.00014601 = 1.0073 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00079891 = 3.1956 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-]
ozbot: Newsweek Reporter Bashes ‘Fanatical’ Bitcoiners on Facebook | Betabeat
Duffer1: in before S.MKNY turns out to be a search engine
Duffer1: MNKY*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 53 @ 0.0063834 = 0.3383 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.006037 = 0.1328 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00351602 = 0.7032 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.00297191 = 0.2972 BTC [-] {5}
turbo_ac100: The MoNKeY? Google bash on trilema? Sounds about right.
dub: wat
dub: oh mp discovered that google suck?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1929 @ 0.00015196 = 0.2931 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13078 @ 0.00079891 = 10.4481 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00079882 = 26.5208 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves lel toffoo is in that list!
nubbins`: ;;rated toffoo
gribble: You rated user toffoo on Fri Jan 31 10:30:17 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: his btc for my merchandise! he sent first!.
nubbins`: ooh lightbox too
Duffer1: oh snap Deprived is back
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7940 @ 0.000152 = 1.2069 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.073 = 0.511 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo_: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ATC trading statement has been mailed.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0037 = 0.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.0037 = 0.1073 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00079961 = 5.1975 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00591839 = 0.7102 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: asciilifeform I assume you saw the ios security document?
asciilifeform: decimation: which one?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 530 @ 0.0059186 = 3.1369 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.605 = 3.025 BTC [+]
decimation: I would give apple credit, they are a cut above the usual silicon valley crowd security-wise
decimation: except you just have to trust apple
decimation: of course, white papers are on thing, actually showing the details of the code is a different matter
ozbot: Malaysia Airlines Expands Investigation To Include General Scope Of Space, Time | The Onion - Americ
asciilifeform: i see nothing remarkable in this document.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0059186 = 0.1302 BTC [-]
decimation: I wish they would release the firmware code
ozbot: New system could predict solar flares, give advance warning
decimation: The system works by measuring differences in gamma radiation emitted when atoms in radioactive elements "decay," or lose energy. This rate of decay is widely believed to be constant, but recent findings challenge that long-accepted rule.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.072 = 1.44 BTC [-]
benkay`: "discretely arrested by US department of state agents outside her children's Manhattan school"
benkay`: i suppose that's discreet, if you're the gestapo.
asciilifeform: note the role of the famous preet bharara - the roland freisler of our day.
decimation: no one can accuse USG of racism, that's for sure
decimation: why does a visa application list the salary of a housekeeper?
ozbot: In Turkey, Renewed Anti-Government Protests - In Focus - The Atlantic
benkay`: ignore those neo-nazis in crimea
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 909 @ 0.00014989 = 0.1363 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: Communists?
benkay`: is that who's trying to assume the mantle of power in turkey?
MisterE: Koch
benkay`: "concern about the impact on the neighboring Casino Queen prompted him to exclude Fairmount Park from getting gaming machines"
benkay`: that being the government's business, of course.
BingoBoingo: Of course, the Queen being 40% of East Saint's revenue and somehow managing to at the same time be a bigger shithole than East Saint
MisterE: and that boys and girls is how special interests run our government
MisterE: hahah
MisterE: I bet those jobs are monimum wage too
MisterE: minimum*
BingoBoingo: Oh, it is an "employee owned casino"
MisterE: while the execs and shareholders clean up
BingoBoingo: Whatever that can mean
MisterE: yea
BingoBoingo: I imagine it is like a reverse Berkshire
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00079807 = 2.8331 BTC [-]
MisterE: man if Turkey destabilizes much more shit is gonna get real in the ME
MisterE: I should get over there
benkay`: what kinds of mischief would you get up to?
MisterE: Hmm maybe protest porn?
benkay`: naked ladies at the protest?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.07181 = 0.2872 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.04608125 = 0.3687 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32553 @ 0.00079929 = 26.0193 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.0036 = 0.2412 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.0036 = 0.1044 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07799118 = 0.156 BTC [+]
ozbot: Chinese Authorities Halt Virtual Credit Card Payments; Tencent, Yahoo Crashing | Zero Hedge
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07799118 = 0.39 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.0037 = 0.444 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00079961 = 6.3169 BTC [+]
ozbot: Twitch
Duffer1: heroes of the storm
MisterE: who Duffer1 ?
Duffer1: new blizz moba, it's just total biscuit playing
BingoBoingo: Kinda related to my writeup on basketball
ozbot: There's No Basketball Crowd Like One Close To Free Big Macs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.11950724 = 1.1951 BTC [-]
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