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BingoBoingo: Oh, the rms ordained distro has a new release
nubbins`: ;;later tell asciilifeform do you have a preferred syntax highlighting style? we can make it match w/e
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: <PinkPosixPXE> more fivezerotwo garbage > << aaaahahaha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00073222 = 10.6172 BTC [+]
cazalla: so the horse i bet on in the melb cup, Admire Rakti, fkn died after the race, i picked that horse as the name remember me of Autumn Radtke who also died lol
cazalla: reminds me* such engrish
cazalla: Autumn Radtke being the bitcoin CEO that jumped out of a building earlier in the year
mircea_popescu: cazalla "No small talk, huh? They shoot your horse?" "f there's any justice..."
mircea_popescu: anyway, seems to me it delivered exactly as advertised.
cazalla: i watched that the other night, not bad
mircea_popescu: i fucking love jon polito in that thing
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform lol what, tshirts with the charter ? << F9 BE B4 D9
cazalla: andreas giving you the high hat or what
ben_vulpes: i'm seriously considering having it tattooed on myself
mircea_popescu: wait tattoo what ?
ben_vulpes: magic bytes
ben_vulpes: haven't decided if hex or actual binary yet tho
mircea_popescu: but wait. what ?
mircea_popescu is confused
ben_vulpes: bitcoin network message header bytes
mircea_popescu: oh oh oh.
ben_vulpes: F9BEB4D9
assbot: So you want to donate to support Bitcoin? How about donating to the real Bitcoin Foundation instead of Vessennes' scambox? : Bitcoin
ben_vulpes: i actually wanted that for the org url too
mircea_popescu: and ? taken ?
ben_vulpes: nobody bought it
ben_vulpes: lol mircea_popescu's log fraud exposed
ben_vulpes: hey are you still giving away domains?
ben_vulpes: *elbow elbow*
mircea_popescu: wait wait what ?
ben_vulpes: hm i recall perhaps fraudulently that you were giving away domains at one point.
mircea_popescu: << it's registered actually.
ben_vulpes: <cazalla> ignoring the ridicule for having an iphone, i was going to write up this circle app but cannot because there is 2180 results for apps with the name circle and you must install ichunes to use the link to install :\ << i learned recently that 'app' name optimization is a thing that 'consultants' charge for.
cazalla: yeah, i've heard of appstore seo
ben_vulpes: it had its own hilarious acronym when introduced to me
ben_vulpes: oh yeah
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes okay, you got it. ns ?
ben_vulpes: app store optimization
ben_vulpes: wheeeee
ben_vulpes: jurov's donated hosting stuffs and wrapped in aws antiddos so i dun even know
ben_vulpes: ;;dig
gribble: Error: "dig" is not a valid command.
ben_vulpes: ^^ wish that were a thing
mircea_popescu: dude you need to get better at wishlist maintenance.
ben_vulpes: thanks mircea_popescu that's a rad domain and i'm thrilled that we have it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00073222 = 21.0147 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: dude i'm accustomed to my wish list not getting filled
ben_vulpes: "if the world were to against all reason smile upon my works" sort of attitude
mircea_popescu: ok ns copied from
ben_vulpes: so much gracias
mircea_popescu: somehow i doubt this will actually work, but anyway, ding me later with actual ns
mircea_popescu: if needed.
ben_vulpes: yeah will do
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell jurov see above s'il vous plait
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: gratzi mille mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: (the domain is both meaningful and follows the rules of domain name selection: be unique in the first chars)
ben_vulpes: ^^ for lurkers.
assbot: Sir Richard Branson: "Discuss Bitcoin At Next Month's G20 Summit" |
BingoBoingo: !up julles
BingoBoingo: !up julmac
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10867 @ 0.00073222 = 7.957 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o look at the cute tiny netsplit
kakobrekla: this time for real : if you see maintenance page on bitbet, flushdns
mircea_popescu: ლ(`ー´ლ) aww that's cuter
mircea_popescu: ¯\_(⊙︿⊙)_/¯ << wow different ones ?!
kakobrekla: ye :)
mircea_popescu: ⊙﹏⊙ ahahh
kakobrekla: well i see traffic on both ends
kakobrekla: so wtf
assbot: Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS?
kakobrekla: this thing sez its good
kakobrekla: > is what you need
mircea_popescu: dude these are too fucking cute
mircea_popescu: i've been sitting here refreshing it and lulzing
mircea_popescu: fuck your new site, this is better.
kakobrekla: dont get banned now ;)
mircea_popescu: "There undoubtedly needs to be work done to ensure that Bitcoin operates under a best practice regulatory regime."
mircea_popescu: not only this undoubtedly flies in the face of reason, but actually, it's bitcoin-illegal to "do work"
mircea_popescu: what other fucking undoubtedly do these people have ? global warming, right ?
mircea_popescu: o shit it's halloween isn't it ?
Naphex thinks you just missed it
mircea_popescu: lol oops.
mircea_popescu: wasn't this supposed to be like all big deal discount "largest sale night of the year" etc ?
mircea_popescu: or what, the failure of last years' taken the jam out of the marketeer's donut ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, check out the cool shit buried in time!
assbot: Gene Wolfe, Orson Scott Card, and others. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21139 @ 0.00073358 = 15.5071 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28211 @ 0.00073096 = 20.6211 BTC [-]
assbot: Topless Femen activists chased through Paris streets by riot police - YouTube
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Feb 2015 to drop under $70 before 2015" Odds: 43(Y):57(N) by coin, 44(Y):56(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.43659622 BTC. Current weight: 77,351.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 328468 | Current Difficulty: 3.598564026507623E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 328607 | Next Difficulty In: 139 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 20 hours, 27 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: totally fascinating this notion that nudity is somehow antipatriarchy.
kakobrekla: light sweet crude oil ... totally wtf bet. 8.5 btc on it.
mircea_popescu: why wtf ? wti is a big deal
kakobrekla: is it eh?
kakobrekla: well apparently so, who am i to argue with bb
kakobrekla: anyway all seems in check, imma go
punkbot: [trust-update] added: delta9 | removed: delta9
mircea_popescu: punkman ^ ?
mircea_popescu: mebbe it should only report moves in assbot's l2 ?
assbot: Tetrahydrocannabinol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: deedbundler/ at 367a7dd20b9ba4337c7c40b026706e09ee51c168 · extempore/deedbundler · GitHub
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol huh ?
RagnarDanneskjol: i dont know why he chose delta9 other than reference to weed. there are 4 status updates that prompt the bot to speak: deed auth, deed bundle confirm, status/balance, and 'trust updates'
mircea_popescu: nah it also updates on changes in the trust db
mircea_popescu: so if one wants to spider a lot of sites and extract links, how would one go about that ?
mircea_popescu: i'm talking "put in this file all urls found on all pages of 1mn sites" sort of thing.
RagnarDanneskjol: ive seen a bunch of utils on git for this. I think this one does:
assbot: sylvinus/node-crawler · GitHub
RagnarDanneskjol: search git fr crawler/spider and you'll find a lot of them
assbot: How to crawl a quarter billion webpages in 40 hours | DDI
mircea_popescu: "More precisely, I crawled 250,113,669 pages for just under 580 dollars in 39 hours and 25 minutes, using 20 Amazon EC2 machine instances."
mircea_popescu: i guess amazon is the way to go.
RagnarDanneskjol: whoa cool
jurov: whoa whoa.. things are moving quickly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00073408 = 14.5348 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10755 @ 0.00073088 = 7.8606 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: 2000 Coinbase Accounts Phished Via Public Notes |
jurov: ben_vulpes: so whom i should talk aboout ?
jurov: it still strikes me as dorky, but whatever
jurov: what is base58 of 0xf9beb4d9 ? just to add extra dorkiness
assbot: Klikki Oy - Kaikki yleisesti käytössä olevat WordPress-versiot haavoittuvia
jurov: it's apparently 7PFyRz
jurov: still free
punkman: mircea_popescu: mebbe it should only report moves in assbot's l2 ? << that's the idea
punkman: ;;gettrust assbot delta9
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user delta9: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sat Nov 20 19:37:15 2010
punkman: well I got no clue how he was both added/removed when nothing changed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00072812 = 8.2642 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32550 @ 0.00072812 = 23.7003 BTC [-]
punkman: mircea_popescu: i guess amazon is the way to go. << if you are on amazon you also get free access to
assbot: Common Crawl - The Data
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00072922 = 9.6257 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Coinero Project Seeks £150,000 For Bitcoin Gift Cards |
jurov: cazalla what is inercia?
jurov: and it would help to give the context what did you ask
bounce: guy got snippy, therefore scam
bounce suspects it was supposed to be "inertia"
jurov: yes to both... just would be good to see what Qs made him snippy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39038 @ 0.00073056 = 28.5196 BTC [+] {2}
punkbot: [trust-update] added: #bitcoin-otc
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl maybe ratelimit scoopbot ? 1/hr/domain or something ? also add update protection somehow ? otherwise the temptation to flood is too great.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell enky srsly, "we love bitcoin" "comments are closed" and "don't send donations in BTC that coinbase can't process" on the same page ? what is this!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated fivezerotwo
gribble: You rated user fivezerotwo on Sat Oct 18 10:55:21 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: kinda derpy kid with a kinda derpy botnet..
mircea_popescu: ;;unrate fivezerotwo
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for fivezerotwo.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00073081 = 18.4164 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 and who else was looking to donate to the btcf,
assbot: The Bitcoin Foundation finally incorporated! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: !up BlackHatToolz
mircea_popescu: !up Pierre_Rochard
assbot: Logged on 03-11-2014 16:24:55; Pierre_Rochard: I’m writing up bitcoin accounting software, do y’all have any feature requests?
Pierre_Rochard: One thing I had in mind was Accounts Payable / Accounts Receivable integrated with GPG, WoT, and deedbot
mircea_popescu: now that is a good idea.
Pierre_Rochard: So that you send an encrypted/signed invoice to someone they’re accounting server imports it into their payables automatically, they approve it, payment goes out, everything is documented cryptographically
Pierre_Rochard: their* accounting server
mircea_popescu: if you actually get this to where it's usable i'd heart you so hard...
Pierre_Rochard: the meat of it is there, the financial reporting will be fairly polished within a week, and the IRC integration I think I could get functional by the end of the year
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14568 @ 0.00072988 = 10.6329 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: listen, pick your poison of people who have proven bot capabilities. Azelphur FabianB_ punkman peterl kakobrekla to name a few.
mircea_popescu: have them do it for you, shave 10 months out of that year
Pierre_Rochard: Ok, will do! I’ll write up the spec and pass it around
mircea_popescu: very exciting development.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated Pierre_Rochard
gribble: You rated user Pierre_Rochard on Sun Jun 1 10:33:16 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: CPA.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Pierre_Rochard 2 I like how the man thinks.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Pierre_Rochard has changed from 1 to 2.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust Pierre_Rochard
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Pierre_Rochard! Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Pierre_Rochard: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 8 via 7 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sun Jun 1 10:18:50 2014
kakobrekla: hm, its been like 8 hrs or smth and i had 1k bots with uniqe ip fetching 'action=register' on bitbet
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the action works.
kakobrekla: retarded wp bots. its not even wp site.
kakobrekla: WP... what have you done to ze internet :(
mircea_popescu: !up ryguyy
mircea_popescu: ;;ud quist
gribble: | Quist. A street term for an organic fluid known as semen. The discharge of quist is called ejaculation. Bill Clinton: Hey bitch, open your mouth so I can quist in it.
mircea_popescu: reported for sapmming colofornia.
assbot: Tech groups aid terror, says UK spy chief -
mircea_popescu: terrorise all the techs!
mircea_popescu: Most internet users, he adds, “would be comfortable with a better and more sustainable relationship between the [intelligence] agencies and the tech companies”. <<< bwahahaha.
mircea_popescu: and nine butch men in prison out of ten would be comfortable with probing Robert Hannigan bunghole.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00072713 = 20.7959 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: jurov: mircea_popescu.
ben_vulpes: re derpy domain names and dns
assbot: Cody Wilson of 3D Gun and "Ghost Gunner" Fame Has His Companies Booted from Online Payment Processor Stripe - Hit & Run :
assbot: Cody Wilson of 3D Gun and "Ghost Gunner" Fame Has His Companies Booted from Online Payment Processor Stripe - Hit & Run :
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bounce: IMO that guy likes to troll gun control proponents, but even so, why do payment processors feel the need to pass moral judgement on their clients?
mircea_popescu: for the same reason all assholes are assholes : they seek approval of whatever group of idiots they mistook for cool and important.
mircea_popescu: punkman: ;;gettrust assbot delta9 <<< ah yeah you're right.
mircea_popescu: cazalla <<< a better play is to publish the chat than just excerpts, otherwise you're open to accusations of cherry picking/out of context/etc.
assbot: Coinero Project Seeks £150,000 For Bitcoin Gift Cards |
mircea_popescu: punkbot: [trust-update] added: #bitcoin-otc << wait, wut ?!
punkman: there's a user named "#bitcoin-otc", I rated him to see what'd happen
mircea_popescu: what'd happen is thatit threw me for a loop, well done :p
mircea_popescu: and ahhh, lovely days of manageable logs!
nubbins`: so there's a bylaw in this city that you're not allowed to build a deck on your rooftop
nubbins`: the house next door had a rooftop deck, and the owner is a notorious asshole slumlord, so i called the city on him
nubbins`: so he removes the deck from the side of the house, pulls it into the middle of the roof, and WALLS OFF THE ENTRANCE so the deck can't be removed
mircea_popescu: using da gobbinmint to hassle your competitors he ?
nubbins`: now it's just sitting there, rotting, waiting to blow over and kill me while i bbq
nubbins`: mircea_popescu natch
nubbins`: i get in touch with the city about this guy 3-4 times per year
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how a city ends up with the notion it may make a bylaw about whether one can or can not build a deck.
nubbins`: me either. i'd love a rooftop deck
mircea_popescu: esp in fucking twodogs, canada.
mircea_popescu: do you people even get enough sun ?
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: the city has "heritage regulations" for the downtown core, it's a nightmare
mircea_popescu: oh, that stupid shit.
nubbins`: yeah. essentially, renovations are not allowed unless you keep your house in the style that was popular after the great fire in 1892
nubbins`: seriously, they regulate the width of the trim you put around your windows
mircea_popescu: this is such nonsense. i mean yeah, i can appreciate what they're trying to achieve : avoiding towns looking like the owners of property, who are by and large despicable lemmings and would make everything into a bauhaus atrocity.
mircea_popescu: but the notion that you can actually achieve this goal, just because it's noble, through making laws about it...
mircea_popescu: why not decide alberta is from now on 600ad byzantine style.
bounce: how many fires before you lot will start to build in stone?
mircea_popescu: just as appropriate.
nubbins`: well, the great thing about these bylaws is that people can be granted EXCEPTIONS
bounce idly plays with a lighter
mircea_popescu: nubbins` obviously.
nubbins`: so if you wave enough $$$, you can do w/e the fuck you want. build a condo in the battery, w/e
mircea_popescu: which is why i say it's stupid in the first place.
nubbins`: bounce a couple more
mircea_popescu: bounce you don't understand how the building works. if they used stone it'd sink into the ice.
bounce: just add extra freezers to fix the perma in permafrost
mircea_popescu: that'd cause global cooling.
mircea_popescu: nah, the only solution is icecream housing.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` o look! people built houses for their secret goat paramours or ?
nubbins`: no secrets in the battery
nubbins`: half the roads aren't wide enough for cars
bounce: actually kinda weird. can't cool except move heat away and causing extra heat in the process
mircea_popescu: the only way to permanently cool is to enact a government-run heating process.
bounce: you're saying government can defy the laws of thermodynamics?
bounce: IME it's mostly non-functional hot air, rather illustrating the point
mircea_popescu: bounce they would if they could!
mircea_popescu: i mean no, wait.
bounce: ... get a committee to agree
mircea_popescu: they can cuz they will!
bounce: no wai. jfk is dead
mircea_popescu: they could if they wailed ?
bounce: they wail but won't
mircea_popescu: the wontwail.
nubbins`: "the committee: it worked for C++"
nubbins` slaps thigh
bounce: anyway, so essentially anything you do causes entropy by waste heat. eventually heat death of the universe. but where does the energy to heat up come from?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` reported for inappropriate conduct in a business setting.
nubbins`: my own thigh!!!
mircea_popescu: AND condoning SLAVERY
jurov: ben_vulpes: you said your job is herding of the cats, but you have problem with little bitching from me
nubbins`: i'm no ghomeshi
mircea_popescu: bounce the thing you do.
jurov: ben_vulpes: just tell me to move to and stfu
bounce: cats don't bitch
jurov: then moan
mircea_popescu: jurov but he's cuter as a little bitch
bounce: little bitch cooties
jurov: lol
bounce: there's no search engine for sound bites, is there?
mircea_popescu: i think it's called nbc
mircea_popescu: The public broadcaster believes its ownership of the smartphone refutes the former radio star’s claim that he was fired because of how he conducted himself in his “private life.” “The contents of that phone belong to the CBC — it’s the CBC’s property,” said a source familiar with‎ the situation.
mircea_popescu: lesson to anyone anywhere : return your company provided gizmos, ask for a raise to compensate. today.
bounce: the IT dept. will thank you so much for having to deal with BYOD now
mircea_popescu: fuck them.
mircea_popescu: company wants to cya, company can pay more for everything.
bounce: this is something where you'd want multiple VMs on the phone. not just "profiles", but (near-)complete OS images to fulfill context-bound functions
mircea_popescu: why even bother ? own the phone, like any fucking artisan owns the tools of his trade.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck would a "personality" fall for this bullshit is beyond me.
bounce: even that needs lots of work. so far it's the telcos owning the thing.
mircea_popescu: well, not really. fat on the brain disease.
mircea_popescu: i never "bought" a rented phone so far.
bounce: even so, the OS is clearly geared toward catering for the expected owner, ie not you.
mircea_popescu: if it comes to it, go to zaire, buy phone there, come back, keep it in roaming. company can pay for airplane fare both ways, hotel stay, underage zaire hookers and the roaming fees.
mircea_popescu: bounce no os on phone.
bounce: of course some OS on phone. won't function without it.
mircea_popescu starts whittling
nubbins`: chefs buy and maintain their own knives
mircea_popescu: nubbins` chefs have more sense than these libtard wailchorus muppets.
bounce: and take them to and fro their work too. then run afoul of UK knive legislation.
nubbins`: well y'know. if messy ghomeshi had sense, he wouldn't be in the pickle hes in
mircea_popescu: “There’s nothing stopping the CBC from making a more fulsome disclosure,” he said. “They should be out there making their pitch about what a great organization they are, what their values are, what their processes are, what they’re going to do to ensure this doesn’t happen again, what proactive steps they’ve taken, their support for women in the workplace.”
bounce: I mean, biking to work with a backpack full of knives? totally terrist.
mircea_popescu: ^ how about gtfo, the "public" is not equal to the libtard media, and nobody is to be held at random by randoim fuckwits dictating "what to do"
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck.
nubbins`: cbc is in a hard place these days. budget has been gutted by conservative govt's. they're less of a "great organization" with "values" every day
mircea_popescu: bounce there are reasons you can't have a decent meal in teh uk.
assbot: coddingtonbear/ircpdb · GitHub
nubbins`: you're just as likely nowadays to see a headline about two neighbours arguing over a fence
bounce: that was the case well before they passed loads of terrist legislation, though
ben_vulpes: 'cause that's not vulnerable to...stuff.
mircea_popescu: maybe we should buy cbc, make it all about "eat poor people" and "rape is a premier teaching tool"
mircea_popescu: see heads explode.
bounce: head-explodie broadcasting world wide
bounce: not quite right, is it
mircea_popescu: almost sounds like a racial slur that's really ethnical.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` think i could build a deck on my cbc ?
nubbins`: jurov heh epic
nubbins`: mircea_popescu not in this town!!!
nubbins`: bbl sooper srs business meeting
mircea_popescu: build a deck on it!
bounce: needs airwolf for a corporate 'copter
mircea_popescu: someone should install a fighter jet carrier landing gear, complete with snap and everything.
bounce: the arrester wires aren't that much of a problem. it's the catapult that's a pain to maintain.
mircea_popescu: <<< the *flploot* sound is priceless.
assbot: Jet Fighter Snaps Cable Landing on Aircraft Carrier.avi - YouTube
nubbins`: businessing complete!
asciilifeform: anyone on u.s. verizon fiber - your dns is being hijacked.
mircea_popescu: reddit police ?
nubbins`: dat
assbot: Jian Ghomeshi Sings 'All My Fans Make Me Sick' In 1996 Video
nubbins`: this is great, every less-than-admirable thing this guy has ever done is bubbling to the surface
nubbins`: the crash and burn will reach temperatures so high that not even soot will remain
assbot: The Guardian's Dark Social Traffic Problem - Business Insider
jurov: dem social traffickers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00072952 = 4.8878 BTC [+]
nubbins`: Dark traffic is vexing because web publishers like to be able to offer their advertisers solid data on the quality of their readers.
The20YearIRCloud: Is jian ghomeshi really that popular in Canada?
nubbins`: cry me a river a goddamn mile wide. also, fuck you,, for inserting copyright notices into my clipboard
nubbins`: The20YearIRCloud not anymore 8)
nubbins`: for a while, he was a young breath of life in our creaky, aging public broadcaster
The20YearIRCloud: I'd never heard of him till this whole thing
nubbins`: well, you're not canadian :)
nubbins`: have you heard of pamela wallin?
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, but i know some of your documentary stars like ricky, bubbles and julian
nubbins`: documentary stars? o.O
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, that trailer park documentary tv show
nubbins`: ;;ud mockumentary
gribble: | ... of a documentary and pretends to be a documentary. A mock documentary. The mockumentary "This is Spinal Tap" documents the fictional band Spinal Tap.
The20YearIRCloud: kind of like here comes honey boo boo, but with weed
The20YearIRCloud: I loved that show too
nubbins`: incidentally, an actor on TPB alleged that ghomeshi assaulted her
The20YearIRCloud: Felt really bad for em though
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, he's gonna get messed up once Ricky gets to him
The20YearIRCloud: he's shot people before over hurtin' lucy
PeterL: ;;later tell bingoboingo if you want scoopbot to link to n00dz and tits, you just have to put them in your blog
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: just so we're clear, you know these people are actors? ;p
The20YearIRCloud: No they're not
nubbins` nods slowly
nubbins`: gotcha
The20YearIRCloud: people think they are, but they aren't, it says on the TV show itself that it's a documentary
The20YearIRCloud: And TV wouldn't lie
nubbins`: oh you
The20YearIRCloud: Especially CANADIAN TV
nubbins`: incidentally, have you seen season 9 of tpb?
The20YearIRCloud: yes, i loved it
The20YearIRCloud: S8 was getting a bit wore out IMO, and S9 was fantastic
nubbins`: yeah, i like jacob's character
nubbins`: he's a pretty good new trevor
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, they've developed him fantastically to replace trevor
The20YearIRCloud: Even better that Trinity is still the same girl :D
nubbins`: heh yep.
nubbins`: we actually published some of jacob's art last year
The20YearIRCloud: At any rate though, i'm shocked that Jian could get away with that stuff with Lucy due to her ranking in the RCAF
The20YearIRCloud: or whatever they term it up there
nubbins`: well i doubt she was an air force captain back then
The20YearIRCloud: Not as high ranking I believe, but she was mid level back then
nubbins`: the blue two-page spread in the bottom row is jacob's
mats_cd03: jian didn't do anything wrong, which is why lucy doesn't matter
nubbins` has a hearty lel
mats_cd03: 'i sucked a dick ... to get outta there ... i didn't like it' -victims
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> cry me a river a goddamn mile wide. also, fuck you,, for inserting copyright notices into my clipboard <<< srsly. dark traffic is best traffic.
nubbins`: if you were a woman alone with a guy who just slammed you against a wall by your throat and punched you in the head, you'd probably suck his dick to get outta there too
mircea_popescu: not as wildly implausible as it sounds.
nubbins`: "fuck you, ghomeshi, i want to leave" followed by a "fuck me? FUCK YOU" and a throat-slitting probably didn't seem wildly implausible at the time, either
mircea_popescu: it's just this thing, a dude that's scared shitless ain't fucking anyone,
mircea_popescu: but a chick probably will.
mircea_popescu: kinda unobvious how this works for anyone that's not either a rapist or in law enforcement, which prolly fuels a lot of the "eh, she's just a slut" backlash.
PeterL: dude scared shitless becomes a chick?
mircea_popescu: essentially.
nubbins`: see: jail
nubbins`: the pervasiveness of the "just a slut" line of thinking is a symptom of such a deep-rooted sickness in society that it's *almost* enough to make you feel pity for the people parroting it
PeterL: who actually says "just a slut"?
nubbins`: so, so, so many people.
mircea_popescu: eh get out, what sickess ?
mircea_popescu: it's normal, and absolutely healthy.
mircea_popescu: it just happens to also be wrong.
nubbins`: ;;dict expound
gribble: wn: expound v 1: add details, as to an account or idea; clarify the meaning of and discourse in a learned way, usually in writing; "She elaborated on the main ideas in her dissertation" [syn: {elaborate}, {lucubrate}, {expatiate}, {exposit}, {enlarge}, {flesh out}, {expand}, {expound}, {dilate}] [ant: {abbreviate}, {abridge}, {contract}, {cut}, {foreshorten}, {reduce}, {shorten}] 2: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: what next, objects in mirrors being larger than they appear is also a symptom of deep rooted sickness ?
mircea_popescu: it's just a fringe effect of properly functioning vision.
nubbins`: dat broken analogy
nubbins`: you're equating human behaviour to the physical properties of a curved surface
mircea_popescu: if i may, how objects appear is behaviour.
nubbins`: you may, but you'll need to stretch that dough out a bit further before i can see what sort of loaf you're making
PeterL: "raped girl appears to be slut" === "object in mirror is larger than it appears"?
mircea_popescu: matter of appearences being discussed in both, right ?
mircea_popescu: if it's broken, it's not broken for the reason he offered.
nubbins`: mirror's curved to make the driver more cautious
mircea_popescu: actually to give better field
nubbins`: er, wait, isn't it actually .. yeah
mircea_popescu: PeterL for canonicalness' sake, "object in mirror is larger than it appears" ; "raped girl is more virtuous than she appears".
mircea_popescu: anyway, on a more general note : be careful when you think you've found an incredibly deep rooted sickness.
mircea_popescu: usually, you're pulling on healthy tissue.
nubbins`: speaking of sickness, i visited the rijksmuseum this summer and they had "sicknesses" stuck up all over the collections
PeterL: so I should say "raped girl appears slutty" === "object in mirror appears small"
mircea_popescu: as in what, mirrors ?
mircea_popescu: PeterL cooking with gas.
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mircea_popescu: heh i see
nubbins`: 500yo prayer nut with a yellow sticky note next to it ;/
nubbins`: but some of them were thought-provoking
mircea_popescu: anyway, to close the previous : human sexuality is built out of transgression. that transgression connotes sexuality is unavoidable given this. obviously lots of dumb shit will grow on that fertile ground, such as rape, or the puritan church. large ship, lotsa barnacles.
nubbins`: now there's something to chew on
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PeterL: so the bot was running fine, but then it says "killed", any idea why it would do that?
mircea_popescu: got a kill signal ?
PeterL: why would it get a kill signal?
ben_vulpes: out of memory?
ben_vulpes: there are so many things that could have happened.
PeterL: hmm, not even sure where to start looking?
ben_vulpes: does it say "killed" in some kind of logs? were you running it in a terminal?
ben_vulpes: like...
ben_vulpes: man...
PeterL: I was running it in a terminal
mircea_popescu: so what do you do when you go to sleep ?
ben_vulpes: well step one figure out how to daemonize a processes on your operating system is
ben_vulpes: s/is//
PeterL: I had it running on nohup before, but it still dropped
PeterL: this time I was just watching it to see what would happen in a terminal
mircea_popescu: well so dig in logs see what sent it a sigterm or w/e it was
mircea_popescu: and since we're on the topic : sigkill does not go to the kernel. it goes to... init!
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mircea_popescu: !down scoopbot
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo << pls to insert deedlink ?
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ben_vulpes: i just read a claim that kind of astonishes me
ben_vulpes: "power law distributions are notable for having no stable mean, and infinite variance."
ben_vulpes: is this true?
mircea_popescu: both of these being why they're such big fucking problems for human society.
ben_vulpes: well damn.
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mircea_popescu: as an aside : socialism, in mathematical terms, is defined as "don't you worry your pretty head, power laws don't exist"
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mircea_popescu: directly equivalent to "don't you worry your pretty head, the black holes won't devour your soul along with anything you ever touched."
ben_vulpes: because socialism assumes or posits a stable mean.
mircea_popescu: nah, manageable variance.
mircea_popescu: (well, variance = 0 in the degenerate case)
mircea_popescu: (infinite variance and undefinied mean are not in fact different mathematical realities, merely two perceptibles of the same one(
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punkbot: mircea_popescu: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
mircea_popescu: o hey i used this!
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo ^
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mircea_popescu: the mere fact that something so stupid as ;;later tell ^ reference actually works is testament to the incredible coolness of technologies deployed here.
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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell peterl wouldja throw into the feeds?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: s/There is no pre-sale. There are no tokens. /There is no pre-sale. There are no takers. /
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes now why would i want to read the "business vc" spam in the irc chat ?
mircea_popescu: im here to get away from the idiocy.
ben_vulpes: wth is enky's pricetalk doing in there then
mircea_popescu: kinda how the bot got devoiced.
mircea_popescu: "let us announce that we're not reading anything but will be making software". tyvm, go to techcrunch already.
ben_vulpes: aight, aight.
mircea_popescu: no i must fume more!
asciilifeform: !s chukcha reader
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and ironically enough this guy was already the recipient of a stuf and learn to read, bitch. but no, on he goes. "let me write software to improve girlfriends. oh, i've never had a girlfriend. but it's A SWINGER PARTY so it;'s all okaty right ?"
mircea_popescu: no dude. fucking swinger parties specifically boot young single males. because nobody wants them. boo hoo.
mircea_popescu: open source is for when you know how to code, not for when you can't find a job with any of the closed source sweatshops.
mircea_popescu: there should be a conviciton of forced labour @alcatel
asciilifeform: butugychag.
mircea_popescu: actually fuck that. there should be a draft. russian style, all males over 18 spend two years coding under the whip.
mircea_popescu: no human contact and once a week laundry. just like a grad dorm.
asciilifeform: that's quite like the school i went to.
asciilifeform: 'mortification of the flesh' via 'compilers 4xx' and 'operating systems 4xx'
mircea_popescu: "get out when you write a duke nukem in asm"
asciilifeform: not a factory of heroes by any measure, no.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heroes are the product of factories in the same sense weapon grade uranium is
mircea_popescu: the factories in question are called separation plants.
mircea_popescu: punkman could whitespace to the left of Recent bundles lines be used to include a truncated list of contributor names ?
mircea_popescu: s/left/otherleft/
asciilifeform: in that sense, perhaps. but know that i left with the distinct impression that most of the folks standing for the final exam were masters of cribbing.
mircea_popescu: no final exams. time only.
asciilifeform: the proverbial roaches standing after the nukefest.
mircea_popescu: two years of having to wash toilets with toothbrush for having declared the pointers wrongly.
ben_vulpes: with that much meat standing around you could implement sexps in hardware again.
mircea_popescu: ins'allah.
mircea_popescu: actually this is starting to take shape in my head. the male obnoxious adolescent camps could be like 3-400 miles north of nubbins' deck.
mircea_popescu: whereas the female obnoxious adolescent camps could be in a swamp. they may wear whatever they make themselves, gotta build swamphouses out of planks they make themselves and gotta spend 6 hours a day looking for pearls in the muck.
mircea_popescu: thenb they can spend the rest of the day making tiaras and other jewelries and selling them on etsy.
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mircea_popescu: i gotta say, this was one of the most satisfying fuming sessions in recent memory.
asciilifeform: they can spend the rest of the day making tiaras << aren't they already ?
asciilifeform: or 'tiaras' here in this gedankenexperiment are cock rings ?
mircea_popescu: well, you will notice how my outrageous hell exactly describes actual reality.
mircea_popescu: kinda the point of the exercise.
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo check out how motorized & mechanized we are nao hey!
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mircea_popescu: punkman maybe also name names ? [trust-update] | punkman removed #bitcoin-otc ; blabla
punkman: mircea_popescu: that'd be tricky
mircea_popescu: ah then nm
punkman: btw mpif bbet pending gain: 0.03 pot odds, 3.0 hanbot odds
mircea_popescu: im not sure what that meanz
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: waterfall needs water.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed it does. Media needs audience too.
BingoBoingo: Historian need stone tablets too
punkman: mircea_popescu: that's how much BTC the unresolved bets are worth if pot-favored side wins or hanbot-favored side wins
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how did you think usg would grab cheap coin that it could sell even cheaper? by praying?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I see this as the USG telegraphing the rectotherm future
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wd!
mircea_popescu: im looking into getting it some mainstream media linkage too.
BingoBoingo: And to think first post was 33 days ago
mircea_popescu: bs paypal.
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna do a paypal payment for me ?
mike_c: BingoBoingo: any indication of how many btc?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Not in the court order.
mircea_popescu: !up huseby
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mircea_popescu: totally got to get more pcs in that thing.
jurov: mircea_popescu: i can do paypal
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BingoBoingo: ;;later tell cazalla the next quantcast qntra stats should be inspiring
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diametric: oh cody wilson.
BingoBoingo: Another story on him coming soon.
rithm: coming soon
asciilifeform: imho the bugger's a usg agent provocateur.
diametric: he's an attention whore, i've talked to him before.
asciilifeform: the end result of his work will be that the m16 trigger spring part is declared regulated by royal fiat
diametric: he comes into #reprap with various nicks promoting his shit
rithm: the trigger itself will be classified NFA
asciilifeform: how do stories like this usually end? that is, some idiot screams, all day, every day 'loophole! here's a loophole!'
kakobrekla: >2000 accounts in less than 2 weeks for a total of almost 17 BTC.
kakobrekla: ;;calc 17/2000
gribble: 0.0085
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, i only just woke up but i am euphoric because of quantcast
BingoBoingo: cazalla: It won't show the interesting stuff for another 20 hours or so
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo is invited to write a ликбез ('likbez' - 'elimination of illiteracy) piece on the waterfall.
cazalla: jurov: and it would help to give the context what did you ask <<< i didn't get answers to my questions, we just talked about bitcoin a little
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> how do stories like this usually end? that is, some idiot screams, all day, every day 'loophole! here's a loophole!' << Depends on how well they obey their leash. But every now and then you get a Hal Turner.
asciilifeform: pediwikia b0rk3d ?
asciilifeform: or is my dns cache still poisoned.
cazalla: jurov: cazalla what is inercia? <<< i'm just quoting the guy
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo is invited to write a ликбез ('likbez' - 'elimination of illiteracy) piece on the waterfall. << I guess I have homework now.
BingoBoingo: Hal Turner, FBI crackpot magnet who got too into his schtick for his handler's liking
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asciilifeform: the age-old mistake of provocateurs - thinking their master's promises are to be kept
asciilifeform: 'but i didn't sign up to suck cok in the cellar for the whole battalion!'
asciilifeform: 'shuddup and oil the compressor'
cazalla: that guy got trolled so hard by 4chan
BingoBoingo: Well, sometimes the handled has a longer lifespan than the handler expects. Like pet tortoises or parrots that get passed down by different generations, because why the fuck would they live longer than 7 sequential dogs.
BingoBoingo: !up johntraveller
cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla <<< a better play is to publish the chat than just excerpts, otherwise you're open to accusations of cherry picking/out of context/etc. <<< few too many last night, guy got snippy and well that is the result
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johntraveller: ;;eregister johntraveller 6C24 1224 C966 76FC CDDF 58A0 883D 1DD1 A66C 3321
gribble: Error: '6C24' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00072987 = 8.9774 BTC [-]
johntraveller: ;;eregister johntraveller 1985ABFE62E43615
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
mircea_popescu: <diametric> he comes into #reprap with various nicks promoting his shit << actually ?! by hand ?!
johntraveller: ;;eregister johntraveller 883D1DD1A66C3321
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
mircea_popescu: !up bobmcmillan
diametric: mircea_popescu: in his earlier days, he also has some bots that come in from time to time to linkspam.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> eh? << sounds exactly right.
mircea_popescu: and now thing they gotta do "kyc" for that.
mircea_popescu: people worth under a bitcent aren't even worth knowing.
mircea_popescu: !up johntraveller
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo is invited to write a ликбез ('likbez' - 'elimination of illiteracy) piece on the waterfall. << yeah prolly not a bad blog idea.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the age-old mistake of provocateurs - thinking their master's promises are to be kept <<< this, srsly. as all the various prettygirls are to soon find out, their choices aren't exactly what they thought they would be.
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mircea_popescu: should take about an hour or so for the stuff to propagate, provided you sent it properly.
cazalla: anyway, i update that post with the log of our chat, i guess i was a little harsh but he would only give me fluff
mircea_popescu: !up Roeland_van_Vlaa
johntraveller: cheers, I just added myself - found the otc wiki instructions
mircea_popescu: ;;ident johntraveller
gribble: Nick 'johntraveller', with hostmask 'johntraveller!', is not identified.
cazalla: nubbins`: the city has "heritage regulations" for the downtown core, it's a nightmare <<< we have maintain the facade regulations in some parts of Melbourne, i like it tbh, it's the one part of town that looks nice
ben_vulpes: johntraveller: where'd you hear about -assets?
mircea_popescu: "Turner wrote on his blog June 2 that three federal appeals judges "deserve to be killed" for their decision in a case involving ordinances banning handguns in Chicago and suburban Oak Park."
mircea_popescu: check it out, this constitutes a threat now.
mircea_popescu: maybe they really do deserve to be killed ?
johntraveller: ben_vulpes: xenosystems
ben_vulpes: haha neat
johntraveller: speaking of, I was reading mp’s critique of yarvin
johntraveller: your criticism was good but you picked two weak articles of his to nitpick
mircea_popescu: well whatever i happened to fall upon.
mircea_popescu: johntraveller anyway, waht is that xenosystems thing ? and generally, explain for public benefit wtf this entire thing is, we lack an expert.
johntraveller: “this entire thing” = neoreaction?
johntraveller: so xenosystems is the blog of nick land
mircea_popescu: i have no idea. i guess so ?
johntraveller: ok I’ll give as accurate a condensed overview as I can
johntraveller: with the obvious caveat I’m describing a fiarly heteregenous group of people and ideas so my summary will contain my own bias
mircea_popescu: only lies are without bias.
mircea_popescu: !up bitstein
johntraveller: so moldbug/yarvin was a typical california libertarian who dropped a lot of acid
johntraveller: i believe hans-herman hoppe (classical lib who wrote an anti-democracy tract) turned him onto anti-democracy
johntraveller: so he started looking up other anti-dem sources, eventually came across carlyle, to a lesser extent froude
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asciilifeform burning in xorg hell
johntraveller: < and this is a good overview of moldbug’s post-libertarian framework.
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bounce: fighting with hald/dbus/udevd/*kit/systemd/whatever?
mircea_popescu: johntraveller okay. so basically it's this blogger and his commenters ?
asciilifeform: bounce: nope. box with 'nvidia optimus' demented chipset, fed to screen through 'intel i915', that won't initialize.
mircea_popescu: o look how cute, stan is gpu mining :D
johntraveller: < kinda. a bunch of pre-existing online communities started to find each other, and moldbug was a key node in that graph
asciilifeform: lol, if only
bounce: so trying to setup whatever it was named, piping intel->nvidia video?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, nice! here's to it continuing
mircea_popescu: johntraveller actually that thing was linked here previously.
cazalla: i wonder how they are finding qntra
mircea_popescu: meh i bet it was.
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mircea_popescu: cazalla wink wink
jurov noticed his mailman addon looks exactly like a tumor, in other news
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asciilifeform: bounce: line 108,109, 161 notable.
mircea_popescu: johntraveller i know because at the time i had my research follow the thing to try and ascertain wtf this is from outside. the response came out as most of hte nodes are either tiny or long abandoned blogs, and pretty much nothing stil active.
asciilifeform: bounce: i'm stuck with this machine in the field, and it gets 1 fps or so when running solely using 'intel' card switched on (which works)
mircea_popescu: (most of the blogs other than the pua stuff, that is)
bounce: no root or selinux being annoying or something?
asciilifeform: bounce: nope.
bounce hasn't fought with xorg in a long time. not impressed by that bunch though.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you using nvidia's binary driver ?
asciilifeform: tried both the evil and the good one.
mircea_popescu: but did you purge the files in between tries ?
bounce: looks like the nvidia part isn't the problem, but the intel part is.
asciilifeform: (classic mistake, yes)
mircea_popescu: remmeber, this is ubuntu, ie a linux implementation of windows
johntraveller: mircea_popescu: interesting. I would say the most active pre-existing groups (in order of size) were the manosphere guys, the HBD/white nationalist bloggers, the ‘orthosphere’ (a bunch of catholic bloggers), the lesswrong crowd
asciilifeform: gentoo.
asciilifeform: although arguably a box with the blog driver may as well be a winblows box
mircea_popescu: johntraveller isn't the lesswrong crowd flamingly libtard ?
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mircea_popescu: !up johntraveller
johntraveller: mircea_popescu: yes. but there’s a fringe of right-wing people (who have been slowly leaving)
mircea_popescu: so basically "this" isn't really anything, is it ? random wave at a rave.
bounce: as a totally wild guess, could try and stop nvidia from modesetting so the intel thing gets to do it
johntraveller: mircea_popescu: prior to 2012, yes. but since about a year or two ago people have started to cluster around the ‘neoreactionary’ label. that image is the meta-community growing self-aware
mircea_popescu: jurov better a software tumor of the mailman than a malignant tumor of the sexware!
johntraveller: xenosystems, twitter and are the main gathering places
bounce: googling gives a couple of instant brainrot inducing "solutions". man, freedesktop is bad for the brain and no mistake.
mircea_popescu: johntraveller which brings us to the next question. how do you distinguish this from the usual usg psyops ? astroturfing/trolling for pseudo-communities ?
johntraveller: mircea_popescu: oh very interesting question
asciilifeform: bounce: tried it and 1000 things
bounce: alright, n'mind me then
mircea_popescu: johntraveller chan's kinda on the fence re moldbug. you can search for him to get the various discussions if you care.
cazalla: kakobrekla: >2000 accounts in less than 2 weeks for a total of almost 17 BTC. <<< a lot of the accounts were empty from the sample bitcomsec provide
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asciilifeform: mr mold is a junkyard dog, with all that it entails. did not grow up with classical education, no latin, no greek. me neither.
johntraveller: I emailed the guy but he seemed massively tinfoil
asciilifeform: junkyard dog is doomed to eat what he can.
johntraveller: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yeah, I followed a bunch of the NRx guys for a long time as I hadn’t encountered anyone else saying the same things. but I got bored after a while, they clearly don’t have any plans or goals
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everyone eats what they can. it's just that for a few that doesn't come out of a can.
johntraveller: #bitcoin-assets, however...
mircea_popescu: we don't have a plan either. who the fuck needs plans when you got wmd.
asciilifeform: johntraveller: the worst thing, arguably, that ever happened to mr mold, is the 'moldosphere'
asciilifeform: johntraveller: as i gather, he saw the quality of the 'followers' and went full perelman.
bounce: words of musing and distraction
johntraveller: asciilifeform: yup, I’d agree with that. he himself said he had enough friends, he wanted better critics
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform strange that he tried to copy bitcoin but didn't manage to think of the assbot voice.
mircea_popescu: i suppose you put this under "no greek"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik he did not copy, initially, but marched on with his pre-2009 turdcoin
asciilifeform: i could've easily went there.
asciilifeform: along with 1000 other people
asciilifeform: i'm still waiting to hear about someone other than mr mold, who did this
mircea_popescu: perhaps i overstate. but fuck it, someone's gotta.
mircea_popescu: this is a point.
asciilifeform: other thing is, when reading his 'i'm a surrender monkey, usg cannot be killed' posts, must remember that he's a 'tenured sea cucumber' in the sense that he keeps a dependopotamus, it birthed children, and he knows he won't be making it out of the gravity pit.
mircea_popescu avoids starting a rant on the topic as he's ranted recently and is well rantsated :D
asciilifeform: i think mircea_popescu already did this essay
asciilifeform: !s cuckolding
asciilifeform: that one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have this earlier convo burnished in my memory, me: "you know, it's quite possible you'll die there" op: "eh, fuckit. i'm too old anyway." me: "you're twenty four!"
johntraveller: asciilifeform: yeah. I also get the sense he hasn’t travelled much. living abroad makes it much easy to see your own cultural matrix, so to speak
mircea_popescu: guy had a pretty gf and a two year old kid. too old, iho.
asciilifeform: johntraveller: afaik his stepfather, usg diplomat, dragged him to several places around the empire
asciilifeform: cyprus, he wrote about, possibly elsewhere
mircea_popescu: johntraveller so where've you been ?
johntraveller: asciilifeform: oh yeah, you’re right. my theory was that people like MP or taleb, who grew up in somewhat sane cultures, instinctively see the craziness of anglo-american ideas. if you grew up in the english speaking world it’s harder to see that
mircea_popescu: on the plus side, it's very easy to see the craziness of romanian o wait. nope. listen, somehow english speakers had a lot of trouble figuring out exactly how and exactly where ro nonsense was broken, back in the 90s.
asciilifeform: johntraveller: outside of the anglo world, there is (or at least, until recently, was) a bacchanalia of xenophiliac idiocy ('let's copy usa! they have cadillacs and we have trabant, they must be clever')
johntraveller: mircea_popescu: spent a couple of years in china and a year in HK, visited malaysia, india, tibet, phillipines, algeria and a bunch of european coutnries
mircea_popescu: o hey nice! do you speak chinese ?
asciilifeform: !s luxor business center
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johntraveller: kinda though I’m a bit rusty
mircea_popescu: you looking for work ? we still need chinese coverage.
johntraveller: mircea_popescu: not looking for work but definitely open to btc-related projects
mircea_popescu: johntraveller one major thing is that qntra doesn't/can't quite follow chinese language news atm. if you can bridge that gap there's glory in there.
BingoBoingo: Definitely a glory hole in qntra's coverage there
jurov: today is the ipo, tomorrow is GLORY
mircea_popescu: also i wish it entered into the record that romania was at no point during its ~2500ish year history sane. not ever.
johntraveller: mircea_popescu: so I’m moving back to china in a couple of weeks. (working with my russian friend on a bunch of mobile-related projects). depending on how much money there is in it, my 1st thought is find a local finance student who could research/write part-time?
asciilifeform: china projects << gonna build iPnohes?
bounce: if you can find someone with decent english
jurov: johntraveller: the qntra writers are rewarded by shares
bounce: what sort of projects?
johntraveller: sadly not that exciting. mostly stuff around mobile marketing. my friend is the kind of guy involved in multiple pies though
mircea_popescu: johntraveller fluent foreigner is usually a better model than local esl, but maybe worth a shot.
bounce has a phone spec in mind that could stand building
johntraveller: mircea_popescu: hmm, maybe I should organise a couple local guys to do research and I write it up in english?
mircea_popescu: that may be a steamrollin' arrangement.
mircea_popescu: bounce o.o. secret spec ?
bounce: totally
assbot: Gas now cheaper than milk - New York News
mircea_popescu: chetty well, you can snif gas.
bounce: more like, have a couple drafts laying around, should probably try and merge them
mircea_popescu: bounce aren't phones one of those things you gotta make 1mn units min ?
rithm: milk per-gallon has always been relatively high priced
chetty: I would go for a phone I knew didnt have n*a in it
bounce: have shop run up a sample or two and I'd be happy really
asciilifeform: chetty: much of what folks object to re: phones happens on the tower end.
asciilifeform: chetty: the only exception, really, is the 'pwned phone listens at all times' and 'pwned phone dumps www/mail logins to pwner'
bounce: yes, and to fix that you'd really need to redesign the protocol
chetty: true, but we do what little we can ...(mostly I use the off button atm)
bounce: you could make a phone that gives you as much insight and control as available; this is quite a bit more than currently available.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if mail is used correctly (send/received armored gpg blobs) this yields no further information than already available.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated johntraveller
bounce: and do a network side that isn't as full of holes as the current crop, and do proper separation, and provide a full off of the wireless side while leaving the other functions available, and so on.
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mircea_popescu: johntraveller voice yerself.
mircea_popescu: bounce i'd be happy with os stacks that didn't make world depend on internet etc.
mircea_popescu: much easier to do, still undone.
assbot: Ubuntu is a worse piece of shit than MS-DOS ever was. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: "There is no motherfucking reason conceivable or inconceivable that should depend on netbase." i say!
bounce: needs to die, more or less
mircea_popescu: how about compiz ?
thestringpuller: lol compiz always reminded me of macs
mircea_popescu: for good reason.
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kakobrekla: imma guess its someone from ba
mircea_popescu: johntraveller to voice yourself, pm assbot !up
johntraveller: thanks, I did already, was just reading more about qntra
mircea_popescu: ah cool.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if mail is used correctly << consequences of hijacked mailbox are still ugly
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: esp. given all the idiot www gadgets that don't use pgp, and allow mail-based pw resets
asciilifeform: e.g., fiat banks, www hosts, public utilities
mircea_popescu: ah, the blessings of not actually using any of those.
asciilifeform: even in the most elementary case, using none of these, pwner can lock you out of own mailbox
asciilifeform: not necessarily fatal, but quite unpleasant if that was your sole means of contact with somebody.
asciilifeform: he can also 'be you' to any moron who isn't asking for pgp sig, and impersonate, and summon gasenwagen, etc.
mircea_popescu: you really should own the box.
asciilifeform: which box?
asciilifeform: mail server? sure.
mircea_popescu: mail@box
asciilifeform: but original thread was about the perils of pNohes
johntraveller: bounce: a dutch entrepreneur in the city I’m moving to had his own tablet built a few years back
asciilifeform: the kind which contain login creds
bounce: cost?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, i got nothin'.
chetty: dont use fingerprint, usg says you have no privacy rights with those
asciilifeform: 'own tablet' - means what? own chipset, nothing from 'arm' ? own os, from zero?
mircea_popescu: you know, ever since the photo debate with bounce a few days ago, i'm kinda curious to see this photography drone gadget. imagine all the YOLO picutres taken by this orbiting drone thing.
mircea_popescu: + much better homemade porn
asciilifeform: chetty: afaik the 'fingerprint' pnohes are intended to keep the common pickpocket out of your cached logins, until you can send remote-zap command
mircea_popescu: how much would this cost to make ?
asciilifeform: chetty: rather than serious enemy
bounce: drone with camera is pretty much COTS?
asciilifeform: the typical flight time of the various extant machines is about half hour.
mircea_popescu: bounce but one specifically optimised for the role of following you around taking pictures of things. like a sort of gopro with ai.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> + much better homemade porn << noisy as shit though
asciilifeform: then, 4-5 hrs. of charger.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "if you can hear Shooty you're not fucking her right" as a slogan ?
asciilifeform: can mitigate, to some extent, with a return-to-base and cell swap gambit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform better yet, thing should know where the batteries are kept, fly over, change ITSELF. let the spare charge.
asciilifeform: at some point, some joker somewhere will build the one that latches onto and inductively charges from aerial mains cables
asciilifeform: bringing the inevitable chaos
mircea_popescu: shit that's a great idea.
mircea_popescu: omfg now i really want one.
asciilifeform: they'll be retrofitted with mumetal shields, at ruinous public expense, i bet
mircea_popescu: THIS will be the next step in b-a terrorism.
bounce: that'd be entirely out of spite, not for actual need
mircea_popescu: bounce spite is the only real engine of human progress.
asciilifeform: kinder, gentler option: streetlights
bounce: those things aren't loss-free
johntraveller: bounce: dunno about cost. I don’t think he went especially ‘custom’, though lots of chinese firms have been making custom handsets with custom android mods.
asciilifeform: streetlight, unlike sol, is a very concentrated source of light
asciilifeform: easy to charge from.
asciilifeform: custom android mods << lol. snore.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think about it, a cop-filming, revenge-porn-making, electrictity stealing personal dronepet!
johntraveller: asciilifeform: maybe some chinese kid will try and build his own lisp machine. sadly they’re not there yet
asciilifeform: johntraveller: chinese kid with semiconductors plant.
mircea_popescu: they exist.
asciilifeform: johntraveller: and own logic cell library, own synthesis toolchain.
bounce would want (feature)phone hardware with full access and docs, add s/w myself
asciilifeform: can exist, why not
asciilifeform: on the moon, perhaps a piece of fine roquefort cheese exists.
ben_vulpes: why not just do it with sdr?
bounce: of the feature phone OS kind, no full linux and shit
mircea_popescu: bounce afaik there is still no good phone os
asciilifeform: full access and docs << strictly banned in usa (and possibly eu)
mircea_popescu: there's either android, samsung retarded linux port or mac-whatever that is.
ben_vulpes: why should there be a "phone" object instead of a thing one plugs into computers that provides a /dev/phone?
bounce: well, that's why you order the things built in shenzen
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: /dev/phone right here!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so you want your phone to be irc ?
asciilifeform: chicom dongles, about $10 in qty. 1
asciilifeform: closed firmware though. but they take 'hayes modem' commands and present a pcm device for voice.
ben_vulpes: i want to hook into the cell network from my laptop; make/receive calls etc
mircea_popescu: (why would someone with a computer use a phone)
bounce is initially thinking of something like the 6310, only updated hardware. can easily still be b/w lcd. no need for fancy shit there.
ben_vulpes: you're all right
ben_vulpes hangs head
asciilifeform: why would someone with a computer use a phone << dial-up from phonebooth in $turdworldshithole ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform uhm.
mircea_popescu: anywhere has cable by now.
asciilifeform: fallback comms for cut fiber?
bounce: heck, put a e-ink display on it. though those exist in sorta-colour too
asciilifeform: quite a few folks have wireless gizmos for fallback
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you'd use the "phone" to push text anyway.
asciilifeform: phone does not presume voice.
bounce: nope. plenty of places have nothing but dialup over rusty barbed wire
mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe i'm weird, but the only actual point of calling, ie voice, would be a woman, and rather than call (ie, on phone) i'd always prefer to call (ie, bitch get on plane)
bounce: yeah, you are
mircea_popescu: you all grew up in crazy places!
asciilifeform: cat bitch_number_hayes.txt >> bitch_get_on_phone.wav >> /dev/phone
bounce: 'sides, the point of building a phone is to have access to all the capabilities on offer with the networks it gives access to
asciilifeform: wai wat?
mircea_popescu: but canonical form is gpg --encrypt --armor -r bitch "get on plane" | curl --post
bounce: so I'd have modem and fax support as well as voice and sms and whatnot. whether you use it is up to you.
mircea_popescu: srsly. fax ?!
bounce: yes, absolutely.
mircea_popescu: why not teletype ?
mircea_popescu: yeah that one.
bounce: sure. though +/- 30v is a bit of a pain. and anyway, nobody does that these days, you'd interface through a 'net gateway somewhere.
mircea_popescu: unlike fax ?!
bounce: but having "an app" to talk to such a gateway would be on the list
mircea_popescu: bounce you seriously duly received an actual fax in the course of business ?
mircea_popescu: no monkey business and no funny stuff mind you!
bounce: I sent a couple
mircea_popescu: so did i. both to... uspto! of all places
mircea_popescu: because idiots.
asciilifeform keeps a fax in consulting office. it is used only for usg.
asciilifeform: afaik no one else bothers with fac
bounce: used a faxmodem. good for talking to gov't but also for bypassing phone queues
bounce: instead of waiting in the queue, write letter, fax, get reception receipt
bounce: carries law protection and the receipt is valid in court
bounce: so yeah, fax.
asciilifeform: incidentally, i bet there's still a battalion at ft meade in charge of curating a library of sploits for fax machines.
asciilifeform: i bet they're just dying of boredom. won't somebody help.
bounce: I don't *plan* on using that sort of thing, but if I'm building a phone it's gotta have the capability
bounce: just like it needs csd for dialup as well as crypto voice support
mircea_popescu: the "i don't plan to use the capability" thing makes me wonder : isn't it strange that "infertility" isn't the leading thing in dating sites and comedian's routines re dating sites ?
mircea_popescu: gals want a guy that's funny and whatever, guy wants a girl that's infertile.
asciilifeform: go verify.
bounce: apropos, fax is still popular in japan, apparently. great for quick sketches and notes. take picture, fax. sure why not.
mircea_popescu: i should have heard this joke to death by now, neh ?
mircea_popescu: bounce that's because their language fucking sucks.
mircea_popescu: by the time you explain what you want you could have drawn it five times over.
bounce: more reason to support it then
mircea_popescu: you are aware i folded in utter defeat like fifty lines up yes ?
dub has had to fax in the last couple of years
bounce: there's a bigger pattern here though
asciilifeform: 'reflection technologies' had, around 1990, a prototype of a pocket phone that sent, received faxes, and view through ocular
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asciilifeform: afaik went nowhere.
dub: telco still goes to retarded lengths to maintain fax compat
asciilifeform: even voip lines from various carriers work fine at 14.4kbaud.
asciilifeform verified this personally
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think that's mandated, buried in the license language somewhere 500 pages deep
asciilifeform: although, on second thought, not sure if it was pumping the full 14.4. there's auto-rate in there.
asciilifeform: 'POTS' (voice telephone) service exists pretty much at the decree of usg, mainly for its own purposes
asciilifeform: (in usa, naturally)
asciilifeform: even the automagic bugging machine mandated at every telco switch is specified, in grindingly pedantic detail, in a dead tree standards doc
asciilifeform: incidentally, these are usually accessed via www now, and quite a few have been loudly pwned
mircea_popescu: even more, silently.
asciilifeform: (gone are the days when a live monkey had to plug a tape recorder into your pair)
mircea_popescu: which is why the "terrorist" members of the public don't want the government to have "capabilities"
bounce: IIRC they demodulate the fax and send the data over voip, then remodulate on the other end (or just hand you the fax data, if they can)
asciilifeform: bounce: it's all packets, probably less than 1km from where you stand.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'own tablet' - means what? own chipset, nothing from 'arm' ? own os, from zero? << From slate with frame is a couple hours, input device is chalk
bounce: yeah, but "packets" with modulated fax signal in a sampled-and-compressed voice channel is rather tricky to get right. better to demodulate the fax and send the data.
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assbot: Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
mircea_popescu: well... it's a culture...
pete_dushenski: my nearest meatspace approximation is the masons w/o the symbols
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu tis certainly a culture
pete_dushenski: and one with a structure quite unfamiliar to the western reader
pete_dushenski: so like everything else bad and trolling and terrorist mkay, it's hard to distinguish it from a cult
pete_dushenski: a cult of course being conventiently ill defined
pete_dushenski: and at 3000 words, this makes the longest piece yet on the pages of contravex
mircea_popescu: The government tries to minimize publicity about the names of agents investigating cases involving potentially violent criminals. "The information (about agents) he gave out might threaten somebody's safety -- the information that he broadcast could imperil somebody," Ashman said.
mircea_popescu: cute huh.
mircea_popescu: police breaking down door, which obviously imperils someone - such as the random bystander, is a-ok. naming agents however MIGHT imperil someone, such as an asshole abusing his offical status to powerplay. this is very un-ok.
mircea_popescu: fatlogic.
pete_dushenski: fatstatelogic
assbot: Tête-À-Tête With A Neo-National Socialist | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i thought you two were irl buddies or something
pete_dushenski: he's from around here and i recognize the name...
pete_dushenski: just can't put a face to it
mircea_popescu: i guess i should start a special service. "for only one small pile of internet funbux, i will viciously insult one commenter on your blog entirely out of left side. cheaper than hiring indians to write comments, funnier too."
pete_dushenski: lol you'd be oversubscribed and end up closing mpex to focus on this "real work"
mircea_popescu: yeah i guess ima have to keep doing it on an amateur basis.
pete_dushenski: god this hotel lounge is fucking perfect, even if this old fashioned is watered down
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu even funbux corrupt. prolly better this way.
assbot: Fredrik Neij, Pirate Bay co-founder, arrested in Thailand - World - CBC News
pete_dushenski: ^ thestringpuller
jurov: did anyone try to send patches as decribed on btc-dev page?
ben_vulpes: several days ago
ben_vulpes: it worked so i didn't poke at it further
jurov: ben_vulpes: but i added the rules only yesterday
jurov: ben_vulpes and what about the move to or such?
mircea_popescu: "Regional Immigration Police Commissioner Maj. Gen. Chartchai Eimsaeng said a U.S.-based movie association had hired a Thai lawyer to search for Neij, and his photo had been given to immigration police in Nong Khai." herp.
ben_vulpes: so many things
ben_vulpes: w/r/t domain, do you have nameservers
jurov: i can set up
ben_vulpes: plz do then tell mircea_popescu what they are and (pretty please) he will configure records appropriately
jurov: what is the domain exactly?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i have a look later this arvo, things to do this morning
mircea_popescu: !up themediator
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: why not decide alberta is from now on 600ad byzantine style. << because progress. it's completely tragic how badly alberta's original building stock has been treated. perfectly lovely neoclassical buildings are now surface parking lots.
pete_dushenski: and in 600ad, even 1850ad, it was just... teepees
mircea_popescu: teepees are better for the environment!
mircea_popescu: make them out of plastic!
pete_dushenski: or the skins of your enemies. either way
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes jurov dns updated.
ben_vulpes: sweet! ty mircea_popescu
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jurov: to think we made fun of
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asciilifeform: cult << incidentally, mathematics (as a professional or even amateur pursuit) fits more or less every extant definition of 'cult'
asciilifeform: (just one example)
pete_dushenski: interesting to note
asciilifeform: the maniacal fuhrer position is, afaik, open at the moment
asciilifeform: but was filled in the past (e.g., pythagoras)
pete_dushenski: probably one in a generation/century/millenium type of thing
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asciilifeform: ^ behold and quiver.
asciilifeform: (spoiler: pretty much everyone who is known to matter, is in leibniz, gauss, etc. 'wot.')
thestringpuller: if sim city has taught me anything: cut taxes to 0, make factories everywhere and have them pay the bills
asciilifeform l0lz at serenissima cult essay, where he is listed as 'expert'
pete_dushenski: so jurov, how do i transfer my s.qntra to coinbr? id by incoming btc address?
jurov: pete, just id here and pm me your acct
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jurov: not like someone will hijack your irc just to steal qntra crumbs
pete_dushenski: today's btc pizza crumbs are tomorrow's empire!
ben_vulpes: everyone loves a live fire test
asciilifeform: google usenet search dead?!
asciilifeform: old posts load, but no way afaik to find them now.
asciilifeform: i suppose this was inevitable. the moldbug generation wants to run for u.s. office...
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform you weren't supposed to read that!
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pete_dushenski: seekrit expert is best expert
pete_dushenski: lol i meant the cult expert bit. a well
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: for some reason saying no is harder in -assets. << cult!
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the maniacal fuhrer position is, afaik, open at the moment << was shockley's transistor a cult ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, one of the most cultish cults were the ancient order of pythagoreans
mircea_popescu: even had a convention to blame it all on satoshi.
asciilifeform: mentioned for this reason.
asciilifeform: sqrt(2) !
mircea_popescu: shit you said that already. nm.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (spoiler: pretty much everyone who is known to matter, is in leibniz, gauss, etc. 'wot.') << in this sense, the hungarian number = crude wot.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski "you can never say only say true things" eh ?
mircea_popescu: jurov apparently he wants to tattoo it on his body too.
jurov: yea i heard it
mircea_popescu: something something magic packets something something internet funbutts.
asciilifeform: re: maths wot << it is important to understand why this happens.
ben_vulpes: spoilsports and haters, all of you
asciilifeform: even the successful crackpots (at least, the ones publicly known about) were never more than a few steps away from a 'trunk line' wot mentor.
mircea_popescu: question for the group :
asciilifeform: not that this is any kind of gurantee. s. ramanujan is a tragic figure for a reason.
mircea_popescu: if everyone gets that tattooed, say on their butt, is the b-a more like a) a cult with weird body mod overtones ; b) a gaggle of ditzy teenaged girls (and therefore, a buncha fags) ; c) none of the above ?
asciilifeform sizes up for 'spoilsports and haters, all of you' tatoo
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu well, that's embarassing...
mircea_popescu: not that many penises around long enough for that. maybe if in chinese script ?
mircea_popescu: end up with "dogsons of broken soup bowl" or something.
asciilifeform: microdot.
pete_dushenski: or base58 hash
mircea_popescu: pubic qr codes, with porn in them
mircea_popescu: that's happening.
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> if sim city has taught me anything: cut taxes to 0 << srsly, you too ?!
asciilifeform: at the risk of bringing everyone back to childhood msdos 'hello world': what's the smallest bitwise recognizable porn?
asciilifeform: any encoding.
mircea_popescu: ( . ) ( . )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> if everyone gets that tattooed, say on their butt, is the b-a more like a) a cult with weird body mod overtones ; b) a gaggle of ditzy teenaged girls (and therefore, a buncha fags) ; c) none of the above ? < b
mircea_popescu: that's not long enough to be porn
mircea_popescu: also it's spelled 8==D
asciilifeform: nope, that's a sapper's spade.
mircea_popescu: my point exactly.
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BingoBoingo: Gotta dig out all of those panty mines
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo owns a sapper spade?
asciilifeform: there's an american firm, iirc, that makes passable copies of the classic ru one
mircea_popescu: summary of pete_dushenski last piece : "cult member casually examines the possibility of being in a cult, comes back negative."
assbot: Software Doesn’t Fail. Socialism Does. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu ayup.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Have two poor quality "trenching tools" have a strong preference for actual shovels though.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: avoid the ones with folding handles.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu that means it's still working, neh?
mircea_popescu: lol fishy smell
BingoBoingo: Oh, how I've learned that, worthless for unburying potatoes
mircea_popescu: tuna doesn't smell like fish!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actual shovel, like actual computer, is not field-portable.
PeterL: mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: look at Detroit: high taxes, city is crumbling - Detroit Suburbs: lower taxes, flourishing
pete_dushenski: tuna smells like moose?
mircea_popescu: PeterL you don't understand how the world works!
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski tuna doesn't smell. everything else does.
PeterL: enlighten me?
asciilifeform: amines.
mircea_popescu: PeterL it's an expression, referencing the case when putin handed obimbo's butt to him for the nth time and the english propaganda yelled "putin doesn't understand how the world works!"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: actual shovel, like actual computer, is not field-portable. << Depends on the size of field, and on whether or not portage enhancers are available
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu well if i came back positive in my assessment, i'd send myself down the post-partum path. wasn't really in the mood for that.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: knapsack.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski better question for your next one : is being a libtard a cult ? how about dating, is that a cult ?
mircea_popescu: plenty of cults abound!
asciilifeform: 'is it still a cult if the comet is parked in orbit and the magical juice will take you there?'
asciilifeform: ;;google treason never prospers for the reason
gribble: Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why if it prosper ...: <>; Treason - Wikiquote: <>; John Harington (inventor) - Wikiquote: <>
mircea_popescu: PeterL use example, dude tries to open a door by bashing his head against it. bystander "that's not how you open doors" other bystander to first bystander "you don't understand how the world works!"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu not sure about dating but libtardism, scientism, nationalism... examples are endless
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: knapsack. << When restricted to a knapsack I dunno that digging anything bigger than a hole to bury turds should be a bigger priority than evading the force restricting you to a knapsack
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: man with sapper spade can entrench himself in less than an hour.
mircea_popescu: and dig his own grave in ~2.
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asciilifeform: dig his grave << they usually give you the spade.
mircea_popescu: jurov yeah, "the hungarian number"
BingoBoingo: <jurov> << mathematicians' wot << My two math professors in Undergrad were a 3, and a Nope
assbot: Erdős number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: what's a 'nope' ? never published at all?
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Never published anything co-authored, because he was in a weird niche
mircea_popescu: Then, as always happens when one is freed from the banality of the familiar, I found myself with some spare time during a vacation in Mazatlán. Then, there, just like that, the pieces began falling into place. I actually sat down to read the #b-a logs and there I saw conversations unfolding before my very eyes that gave context to Trilema, that gave context to Bitcoin, and that were were so tearfully, blessedly, beaut
mircea_popescu: ifully over my head that I couldn’t read anything else for weeks. As someone always hunting for an intellectually challenge, I’d never seen anything even remotely like #b-a. At once technical, philosophical, political, and outrageous, it was like a gift wrapped for someone else, and yet just for me.
asciilifeform has seen 'anything even remotely like #b-a.' but they're all dead.
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mircea_popescu: i has seen idem, idem.
pete_dushenski accepts mircea_popescu's pat on head
pete_dushenski: graciously!
asciilifeform: when do we get on with one of us proving p==np and the others throwing him off a boat?
BingoBoingo had in addition to math prof with Erdos of nope, an econ professor with an office in the loft of the campus's old barn
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform stop trying to break things and write me an email.
asciilifeform hopes he isn't the only one to get the ref
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> when do we get on with one of us proving p==np and the others throwing him off a boat? << I have a feeling this is like weaponized bitcoind, if you have it best to keep it concealed
mircea_popescu: "The new Foundation, the new deeds system, a real Bitcoin news site, and more" << only the stuff of the past month gets a mention because the previous stuff is so ingrained by now it's like a skin.
mircea_popescu: typically cultish behaviour.
pete_dushenski: salience!
mircea_popescu: shit fuck piss motherfucker and tits! this bastard called me insane! YOU DARE SAY INSANITY OF OUR PRODUCTIVE INSTITUTION ?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: METEORS!
mircea_popescu: what was that oglaf with "god is on their side" btw ?
BingoBoingo: oglaf needs better indexing
ben_vulpes: <******> as long as there are tools, there will be people using them poorly << i give up
pete_dushenski enjoys watching his 3k word epic unfold in real-time
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo totally.
ben_vulpes: people cannot be saved form themselves.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes who said that ?
ben_vulpes: he's not in a logged channel, i'll refrain from sharing his handle.
ben_vulpes: nobody who's ever been in here though.
mircea_popescu: !up girevik
mircea_popescu: ima steal it then, to me it sounds like something i'd say.
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ben_vulpes: i bring this elk in tribute
mircea_popescu: "He’s one of the most masterful wielders of words" << you got a ways to go foxy! check out pete's offerings!
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mircea_popescu: so i was with this chick earlier, her parents had the weird idea of calling her Modesty
mircea_popescu: and she was all "oh mp what a great cock you have!"
mircea_popescu: jus' sayin' for the record.
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mircea_popescu: shit comment index at 1.3k already ?
mircea_popescu: if this thing ends up surpassing trilema ima be well pissy.
BingoBoingo: Well spam comments... Ham comments at 416
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what that dude's saying.
BingoBoingo: I think maybe it's a spambot that saw a word and forgot to link to Ugg boots or Nike's
BingoBoingo: Or there's a wild markov chain
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski im gonna have this read weekly in the harem, outloud. just ftr.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu don't twist my words now
pete_dushenski: the point of this wasn't to pump your fucking tires
pete_dushenski: god knows you need that like penguins need more snow
mircea_popescu: ;;google chubby checker
gribble: Chubby Checker - The Official Site: <>; Chubby Checker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Chubby Checker - Biography - Singer - <>
mircea_popescu: !up AdrianoOliveira
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Maybe you need to consider whose ego you stroke, before you go a stroking an ego...
mircea_popescu: the stroking of the ego brings monsters.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu anyways, i look forward to seeing it acted, off-script, next time i'm in town
mircea_popescu: it's a harem not a bordello yo!
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: if this thing ends up surpassing trilema ima be well pissy. << why? ~_~ you technically willed it's existence.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i can still be pissy!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu we obviously have different ideas of how a harim should work ;)
mircea_popescu: lol do tell
BingoBoingo wonders if pete_dushenski did his turkish homework yet
jurov: pete, our resident pimp
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu what's to tell? acting, staging, and memorizing are not optional.
pete_dushenski: basic skillz
pete_dushenski: every bit as useful as a sense of humour and a second language
mircea_popescu: actually bellydancing's a basic skill.
mircea_popescu: and rope escape.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo i won't say my homework's done just yet
pete_dushenski: and swallowing. cyanide or otherwise
mircea_popescu: (you think tying a chick down is easy ? try it sometime! it;s fucking impossible if you're determined not to hurt her)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu big hands help here
pete_dushenski: you can use one of yours to hold down two of hers
mircea_popescu: i don't mean that part.
mircea_popescu: if you're talking slavegirl, you can just order her to move around as needed. but still it's not trivial.
mircea_popescu: few hours' practice with this will make pretty much any western film involving tying anyone unwatchable.
mircea_popescu: that "put some rope on them, they're imobilized now" convention doesn't really work irl.
pete_dushenski: tie indian to traintracks, etc.
mircea_popescu: western i mean as opposed to japanese.
mircea_popescu: !up csshih
csshih: sup
mircea_popescu: not much.
BingoBoingo: csshih: What's your online retailer again?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski "an efficient means to an ends"
BingoBoingo bookmarks site, because x-mas is coming in 4 months or some shit
jurov: lol one and half
mircea_popescu: two weeks!
csshih: haha
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu scrap "efficient" ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski fix the an plural.
pete_dushenski: now "an efficient mean to an end"
mircea_popescu: still dun sound right. means is like police, plural only.
pete_dushenski: one end... many means
jurov: no it's actually effervescent mean
mircea_popescu: it'd be pretty rad if people were like "and then this single polic jumped me"
pete_dushenski: historical footnote, "police" was the first word i could actually spell other than my own name
bounce: such law abidement
mircea_popescu: i am surprised you could spell your own name
mircea_popescu: i still can't.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i can spell your name, just can't pronounce it!
pete_dushenski: nfi how long it took me to spell my surname
mircea_popescu: i imagine indian kids have it the worst. i've seen some pretty gnarly shit.
pete_dushenski: though my grandpa got a kick out of my counting to 10 in romanian this weekend. correct pronounciation and all :D
mircea_popescu: o hey wd.
mircea_popescu: so then ce in mircea, ce in zece, same ce.
asciilifeform: achtung mircea_popescu. broadcast in.
mircea_popescu: nicht gefingerpoken!
asciilifeform: mittengrabben.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu lol i learned it auditorally so spelling wasn't a problem
bounce: relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten!
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jurov: bounce, die blinkenlichten
jurov: it's plural
bounce adds a [sic] and a (whoosh)
jurov: or maybe something else, as it's akuzativ
bounce will now out throw jurov and kick him anderswhere!
jurov: arschloch!
asciilifeform: schweinhund.
asciilifeform: hande hoch!
asciilifeform exhausted his deutsch
mircea_popescu: die kanonenkugel macht ein weit grosseres noch!
asciilifeform: eh everybody knows that one.
asciilifeform: frederiiiicus reeex...
jurov wirft eingige mozartkugeln and mircea_popescu
jurov: *einige
jurov: *ans
asciilifeform: lukschen kugel.
mircea_popescu: unser artillerie hat ein vortrefflich kaliber!
bounce: wir sind vom idiotenklub/ und laden herzlich ein/
mircea_popescu: ;;google idiotenclublied
gribble: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: no fucking wai.
bounce: google is just too SMRT
jurov: ;;google idiotenklublied
gribble: No matches found.
jurov: ;;google idiotenklub
gribble: Smith & Smart - Idiotenclub - YouTube: <>; IDIOTENCLUB - YouTube: <>; omas idiotenclub - YouTube: <>
assbot: Das Idiotenclublied - na wenn das so ist, dann prost!
mircea_popescu: well it does exist upon digging
asciilifeform: obligatory: tigerfibel.
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asciilifeform: give the man his money back.
asciilifeform: oh wait
assbot: BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2014 :: 1.08 B (41%) on Yes, 1.53 B (59%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 23`611 (100`000 to 1)
BingoBoingo: Who seriously knew last year's ship date was a distraction while a whole fucking factory was being built in the swamp?
ben_vulpes: who knew indeed
asciilifeform: more of a phactory.
ben_vulpes: phuctory!
pete_dushenski: potty mouth
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo this is a good point
BingoBoingo: But, still. Did asciilifeform actually reinvent the Luer lock, or was S.NSA working on darker magic already? These are the mysteries to be unveiled after the war is won.
asciilifeform: luer lock off the shelf!
punkbot: [trust-update] added: johntraveller
asciilifeform: ferglubssake, i write the broadcasts, does anybody read'em?
BingoBoingo: Of course they get read. It's just... luer lock being a thing with a name I could have swore was the rare s.nsa detail that in the statement could have been shelf pointed to sooner if more transparent.
asciilifeform failed to parse above
BingoBoingo: Still, starfish virginity is a concern
asciilifeform: еггог!
BingoBoingo might have switched to write only mode. spent the morning driving distances. Brain is still recovering.
mike_c: bezzle money is cheap
pete_dushenski: thai time. later!
jurov: reddit police noticed the bitcoin foundation
jurov: if i did not set up alarm, wouldn't have noticed
asciilifeform: but what of the reddit dogcatcher? he noticed?
ben_vulpes: jurov: did anything happen?
ben_vulpes: how did cloudflare respond?
jurov: i dont have cloudflare but aws. nothing really happened, it just paints nice graphs
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but what of the reddit dogcatcher? he noticed? << You forget the most dangerous police variety in most US states, the fish and game cop.
BingoBoingo: They almost always get to presume probably cause in search
asciilifeform: << re: ancient mircea_popescu thread
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ben_vulpes: sorry i mean cloudfront i think
ben_vulpes: almost too tired to think
jurov: yes cloudfront... but they seem to unable to sustain even their feeble attempts
jurov: going to sleep..goodnight!
ben_vulpes: tee hee. amuse.
assbot: Alex From Target Was Just a Marketing Ploy :(
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> oh wait << omfg stan sarcasm ?
decimation: BingoBoingo: I hear from folks who would know in Ohio that the most competent police there are the fish & game cops
mircea_popescu: <jurov> if i did not set up alarm, wouldn't have noticed <<< i imagine this sounds better in german :D
decimation: that's kinda idiomatic
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, here in Illinois they get all kinds of powers to do warrantless searches
mircea_popescu: "Teen Twitter (the most powerful force in the universe)" << really ?
mircea_popescu: what universe is that, the soda fountain ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, the which star/starlet can we push to break the cocaine imbibed by 23 record universe
mircea_popescu: anyway, gawker, nov 4th. "But it's hard to tell if anyone is even real anymore." mp, sep 13th "I want the average redditor to understand that when he interacts with a screen name, he is not interracting with a person."
mircea_popescu: such coincidences.
mircea_popescu: !up Vexual
Vexual: hi
ben_vulpes: evening
Vexual: Ben I must thank you for getting me back on grapes
ben_vulpes: they're lovely
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> such coincidences. << Well, more than even killing Coindesk isn't a point of Qntra ending gawker?
decimation: something like: Wenn ich nicht den Alarm aufgestellt habe, würde ich es nicht bemerkt.
thestringpuller: How did gawker become "a thing"?
thestringpuller: I understand Wired. But gawker not so much.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Basically in the 1990's Nick Denton amassed a warchest of bezzel bucks. Then he hired bored housewife to stalk celebrities for initial traffic. After that sustaining gawker was a matter of keeping the bills paid.
BingoBoingo: The contemporary idea of the incredibly PC media mafia after the bush election exists as a creature of Nick Denton's creation
BingoBoingo: it is important to note the present incarnation of that crowd was not sparked by HUffington, Digg, or Reddit, but in Nick Denton's constant reinvestment in Gawker media.
decimation: asciilifeform: re: verizon dns << didn't they announce that they would helpfully insert friendly cookies in your http stream?
decimation: BingoBoingo: it would be interesting to have a directory (with pictures) of those who call the shots in the media today
thestringpuller: ;;later tell mircea_popescu did you mean to put an "https" link for the Qntra link on the prospectus on the MPEx listing?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Maybe once I set up a homestead in more civilized lands
Vexual: where are you going?
BingoBoingo: No idea yet.
BingoBoingo: Prolly Titan. Maybe Mars.
BingoBoingo: If Buterin's waterfall takes too long to dry prolly some land that habla Castellano
asciilifeform: decimation: unrelated. that was an ip over wireless thing
asciilifeform: decimation: this - straight redirect to spmoogle
thestringpuller: Over 60 mn Ether sold!!!! Amazing!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller actually, no.
mircea_popescu: thanks for pointing out!
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> The contemporary idea of the incredibly PC media mafia after the bush election exists as a creature of Nick Denton's creation << hm. sort of like anti-drudge ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Worse. Drudge didn't spend the entire 1990's getting merit washed.
mircea_popescu: !up sine
mircea_popescu: !up sinetek
assbot: A year ago today : Bitcoin
decimation: BingoBoingo: so he's kinda like the walter lippmann of this era?
BingoBoingo: decimation: I think of Denton more as the mirror image of the Koch Brothers, but that's a very imperfect correspondence.
BingoBoingo: Denton writes rarely, but when he does criticizes Gawker authors for their economic liberalism.
decimation: has anyone here upgraded to openbsd 5.6?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not yet, will order disks this month, prolly
TheNewDeal: So I'm reading this conversation about programming languages from 7 days ago (28-10-2014). There is a lot of trash talking about OOPs, like C++. I don't see anyone mention C. Is C just not worth mentioning?
asciilifeform: unfortunately is worth mentioning.
TheNewDeal: why so unfortunate?
asciilifeform: just as usg is worth mentioning.
asciilifeform: actually we had a fun occasion for mentioning c recently.
assbot: 7th Underhanded C Contest Going on Now |
asciilifeform: !s underhanded c contest
assbot: 10 results for 'underhanded c contest' :
asciilifeform: don't look for the 'incompetent c contest.' it's right there on your desk.
asciilifeform: and mine, and his.
BingoBoingo: Don't worry everyone has until new years day to learn C and enter
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> don't look for the 'incompetent c contest.' it's right there on your desk. << It's everywhere
asciilifeform: dear glub, 'learn c', k&r 1st ed. is what, 80 pages?
TheNewDeal: what in the hell does that mean?
asciilifeform: it means that even 'competent' c programmers are playing.
TheNewDeal: is it akin to what Naggum was saying on C++ , that it's too tough for people to handle?
BingoBoingo: And the hardware plays back
asciilifeform: 'too tough for people' is a poor angle. there are people who can lift a 'volkswagen.'
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev Hello devthedev
devthedev: Hey BingoBoingo
thestringpuller: devthedev: get your shares?
asciilifeform thought k&r 1st ed. was on the #b-a required reading shelf, or the like.
devthedev: Yes sir
TheNewDeal: But there's not hundreds of thousands of people going around writing "Can lift a volkswagen efficiently" on their CV
asciilifeform: it's a real riot.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what's awrong with 2nd edition?
asciilifeform: full of bell labs c lore
decimation: yeah reading that book improved my C coding because it explained wtf was going on and why
asciilifeform: 2nd edition << bloat
asciilifeform: satan preserve us from 2nd editions.
thestringpuller: K&R is how I learned C. So no complaints.
asciilifeform: i like to call it 'koraktor'
asciilifeform: ;;google koraktor
gribble: koraktor: <>; koraktor (Sebastian Staudt) · GitHub: <>; koraktor/steam-condenser · GitHub: <>
asciilifeform opens koraktor, bound in human skin, and searches for a death spell for google
TheNewDeal: how about assembly languages?
asciilifeform: what about them?
decimation: MMIX?
TheNewDeal: not mentioned in the programming discussion
asciilifeform: sure they were.
assbot: Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it.
TheNewDeal: I took a class that was all about MIPS, but it got over my head at the end. I was a mech engr stuck in a class of comp sci students
decimation: C is more-or-less a fancy set of macros around assembly
asciilifeform: on pdp-10.
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
thestringpuller: devthedev: didn't you make a news site?
thestringpuller: i forgot what it is
devthedev: I was planning on writing for CryptoDeck less formally, more for fun and qntra more formally but I kinda got burnt out.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: << what wind river was dinged for
thestringpuller: devthedev: I can tell. Last article published was Oct. 17. lol
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik they self-volunteered for gassing (for no reason i know of)
decimation: supposedly they were treated 'lightly' because they volunteered
decimation: lol they were dinged for exporting ipsec?
devthedev: thestringpuller: I may just sell it, I don't have as much time as I'd like to devote to it.
thestringpuller: what is there to sell? do you have contributors?
devthedev: Negative
decimation: tyranny - usg fines a company for exporting that which is easily downloadable everywhere. anarchy - usg pretends it cannot investigate welfare fraud
devthedev: It would be just the domain essentially.
BingoBoingo: <devthedev> It would be just the domain essentially. << Problem is the first 5 letters of the domain are too popular
Vexual: asciilifeform did you ever get you hands on one of those first ibm branded xts?
decimation: my first computer was an epson XT knockoff
thestringpuller: decimation: me too!!!!!
decimation: as I recall it cost around $2k in the late 80's
thestringpuller: I still have it. It's all boxed up. I just need a PS/1 keyboard but those are hard to find.
assbot: Epson Apex Plus Turbo XT computer (1988) - YouTube
decimation: it was the best thing my family bought me, I learned dos, played kings quest & space quest, learned to write in wordperfect
thestringpuller: ibm knockoff/clone
thestringpuller: taught me batch scripts and dos
thestringpuller: eventually qbasic
decimation: my dad had a 'real' ibm AT at work, I was impressed by the built-like-a-tank chassis
Vexual: they were quickly liberated from govenment offices here
BingoBoingo bought a Mac Classic for $10
thestringpuller: decimation: IBM keyboard's kinda rule even to this day.
decimation: yeah I use a knockoff (unicomp) myself
thestringpuller: yea I used one of those. I wanna get the one with the mouse in the middle (like on the think-pads) for my desktop.
thestringpuller: co workers hated the clicking but damn it was a slick keyboard
decimation: if you search the logs there are pointers to folks who have hardware projects that interface ibm ps/2 keyboards made in the 80's to usb
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> So I'm reading this conversation about programming languages from 7 days ago (28-10-2014). There is a lot of trash talking about OOPs, like C++. I don't see anyone mention C. Is C just not worth mentioning? <<< c is really not ~that~ bad.
mircea_popescu: !up sadekjake
TheNewDeal: not as bad as the usg?
mircea_popescu: sadekjake hey there.
thestringpuller: on a scale of 0 to usg how turdified is it?
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal people generally hate c++ for reasons and c by extension.
mircea_popescu: arguably c doesn't do much to help the programmer not be stupid. then again, it doesn't actually force them to be dumb. sort of like asm, and nobody really hates asm.
sadekjake: hello Mircea
sadekjake: do you see my msg?
sadekjake: i have neever used an IRC before
sadekjake: how do i send you a pm?
mircea_popescu: well, i just sent you one, should be a tab opened somewhere next to where it says #bitcoin-assets
asciilifeform: 'c' does not force man to be dumb. but hardly anyone actually gets to program in 'c.' normally folks program in c+libs
asciilifeform: libs authored by, in many cases, what can only be down's syndrome cases
decimation: a few years ago I tried to make an edit to wikipedia's 'climate change' entry. a similar down's syndrome case guards that page - immediately reverting any non-libtard edit
BingoBoingo: !up dgeats
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decimation: at any rate, one cannot consider themsleves a programmer today without knowing C
decimation: perhaps in the future it will not be so
asciilifeform: '...and _does_ an operating system that forces the programmer to check to see whether the operating system did what it was asked to do every damn time you ask it to do anything actually give any relevant form of support to anyone?'
decimation: asciilifeform: but, that's new jersey style!
thestringpuller: decimation: at any rate, one cannot consider themsleves a programmer today without knowing C << unfortunately not a lot of people learn C in what you may call "computer science education" (or is so named)
mircea_popescu: !up dgeats
thestringpuller: !up Jondo
mircea_popescu: decimation you don't understand. for him, matter of life and death. that's how he eats.
dgeats: !up BingoBoingo, happy to be here
assbot: Logged on 15-04-2014 18:34:43; asciilifeform: 'we refuse to produce any more C programmers who are a danger to themselves and others.' -- my old dean
mircea_popescu: haha cute one.
asciilifeform: (anyone still awake, straight to that dusty thread)
decimation: yeah "C" was going out of style when I graduated in the early 2000's, CS was converting to full-java
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is pretty much the stance. you have to seek it out, if you want to learn it. I guess what they are producing are not programmers at that point?
asciilifeform: 1nf0rm4t10n t3chn0log1stz!
asciilifeform: or something.
decimation: one wonders what the point of using open source OS's would be if you can't read C
thestringpuller: much easier to write c-code in linux than say DOS
asciilifeform: the point, when there is a point, generally has nothing to do with reading
asciilifeform: mostly pure zoological revulsion at microshit
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Google's Android has a linux kernel and BSD libc
asciilifeform: easier to write c-code in linux than say DOS << beg to differ.
asciilifeform: under rusty old msdos one can, generally, actually program in c
decimation: heh yeah there are so many distro's and tard-libraries in linux
decimation: asciilifeform: here's the link for what you are getting at: " Now we get down the the nitty-gritty. This is our first clash with the establishment. The conventionsl approach, enforced to a greater or lesser extent, is that you shall use a standard subroutine. I say that you should write your own subroutines. "
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thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i think when I was 9 it was like 4 weeks allowance to get Borland or whatever C compiler they were selling at the time.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: guess how much i and everybody i knew paid.
decimation: ah, the good ol' stack of floppies
asciilifeform: decimation: this sounds like top-grade batshit to 'civilians', who don't normally understand how simple (from algorithmic standpoint) everything they usually want out of the machine, really is
decimation: one of my friends would call AOL every day for a free "introductory" floppy every day
asciilifeform: most of what programmers do, is really grunt labour to work around the mistakes of earlier programmers.
asciilifeform: folks who realize this, eventually 'turn perelman'
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> under rusty old msdos one can, generally, actually program in c << because, again, if i want to kil a ms-dos dependency I DELETE THE FILE
asciilifeform: and we don't hear from them
mircea_popescu: motherfucking apt-get.
decimation: yeah it's really really tiresome to live in someone else's fucktarded world
mircea_popescu: just....fucking....detele the file.
mircea_popescu: omg why should it be so hard.
decimation: because $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
dgeats: !up @assbot
mircea_popescu: fuck that shit with pikes.
asciilifeform: butbutbutt... it could be on a locked nfs volume! it could be on an abacus wielded by retarded child! etc
decimation: asciilifeform: actually this is an interesting point. Why does every platform insist on dynamic libraries?
asciilifeform: cargo-cult imitation of real computer.
decimation: somehow Mr. Moore can write a chip-design tool in a few hundred lines of forth
decimation: yet it takes like 50 megabytes to instantiate Xeyes?
mircea_popescu: fuckthatshitomfg
decimation: yeah, I guess in this case the 'cargo-cult' is building a wooden global namespace
asciilifeform: and it takes a supercomputer, of a kind not even yet built, to write a word processor where there are no palpable delays when entering a character. if you believe microshit.
decimation: but my 8088 did that running at 8 mhz in wordperfect
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decimation: heh yeah that was a favorite post
BingoBoingo: ^ Macs at one point almost really were real computers
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: long, long ago.
decimation: "But suppose everyone wrote their own subroutines? Isn't that a step backward; away from the millenium when our programs are machine independent, when we all write in the same language, maybe even on the same computer? Let me take a stand: I can't solve the problems of the world. With luck, I can write a good program. "
decimation: this is probably the most rational approach toward the modern c-machine
mircea_popescu: fucking hell.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would "we". jesus burn every text with we in it already.
mircea_popescu: we my food.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, then they sold their soul to IBM
mircea_popescu: maybe our fucking should be all machi^H^H^H^H^H woman independent also ?
mircea_popescu: maybe we should all jack off with the same stroke ?!
mircea_popescu spazzes some more
asciilifeform: as a student, i was once told by a greybeard: 'you're young, but know that you have X lines of code in you. after that - log cabin.'
asciilifeform: he was, of course, optimist
asciilifeform: often, 'after that' is something more like pistol fellatio
asciilifeform: i didn't grok what he said, at the time, naturally
mircea_popescu: i enjoy writing the little code i do write.
asciilifeform: that's the trick.
mircea_popescu: the enjoy or the little ?
decimation: I want someone to draw a cartoon: young man approaches greybeard lounging under a tree: greybeard - why do you laze instead of being productive? - He says: you try to make something useful - off the young one goes through trial and tribulation - eventually, ending up under a tree.
asciilifeform: 'little' -> 'enjoy'
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: *: asciilifeform opens koraktor, bound in human skin, and searches for a death spell for google << wot based search. working towards it.
asciilifeform: !s kyristor
asciilifeform: ^ sword in stone for unknown heroes to be born
mircea_popescu: all these fucktards with the "blockchain technology" have no fucking idea even what the technology actually is
mircea_popescu: monkeys in the jungle, "shiny wings technology".
mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure that's why the plane flies.
asciilifeform: 'technology' - just a word to them.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> *: asciilifeform opens koraktor, bound in human skin, and searches for a death spell for google << wot based search. working towards it. << Caled it when you asked about crawling millions of urls
BingoBoingo: Next time I'll sign the hash of the prediction
asciilifeform knows of no reason why wot-search needs to crawl anything
mircea_popescu: decimation: C is more-or-less a fancy set of macros around assembly <<< this is actually pretty much it.
asciilifeform pictures wot search as a graph traversal of personal 'bookmark' collections of wot-people
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah the "crawlers" are human beings
asciilifeform: assembly << of pdp-10. see naggum's piece earlier.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just like cars are a steel banded joining of the walking of people ?
mircea_popescu: at some point you gotta put an engine in there somewhere.
asciilifeform: extant cpu archs are quite unlike pdp-10. internally, of course. 90+% of the Si real estate is then used up in papering over this to build a convincing simulacrum of 'c' machine.
asciilifeform: so if an idiot tells you that 'c' is 'naturally close to platonic hardware' - you have my official blessing (tm) to kick his face in.
mircea_popescu: do ellaborate.
asciilifeform: e.g., translation lookaside buffer cache on intel.
asciilifeform: the page table.
asciilifeform: automatic instruction re-ordering.
mircea_popescu: decimation: as I recall it cost around $2k in the late 80's << ahh, the days when a shitty mouse was 100 bux.
asciilifeform: (intel tried shipping a gizmo without it, now it is known affectionately as 'the itanic')
asciilifeform: i could go on, but this could fill a book.
mircea_popescu: da fuck is platonic hardware supposed to be
asciilifeform: an imaginary animal that lives in the skulls of folks who talk about 'close to the hardware? that means c of course'
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> da fuck is platonic hardware supposed to be << Aristotle's natal cleft
decimation: in your room-sized FPGA, there is probably a spot for a few 'risc' finite automata
asciilifeform: decimation: there could be room found for an entire period reproduction of intel 486, for when the mood to play 'doom' strikes you.
asciilifeform: point is, it is possible to build electronics that are actually programmable.
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asciilifeform: in some of my articles, i mention a concept called 'design space.' it, approximately, means, the set of engineering decisions that are thinkable at a given time.
asciilifeform: in many ways it behaves like a non-renewable mineral resource.
asciilifeform: except, unlike petrogoodies, it is possible to get design space back just by 'wanting enough.'
asciilifeform: catch is, you have to... burn the world.
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