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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 269 @ 0.00620204 = 1.6683 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36500 @ 0.00075723 = 27.6389 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10172 @ 0.00076502 = 7.7818 BTC [+]
jdanks: ben_vulpes: jdanks: do you wash your eggs? << I rinse them with water and scrub them with a brush if there is shit or yolk from borked eggs. no bleachin or anything unnatural
ben_vulpes: im mostly interested in the shell + external coating integrity
jdanks: you take them as calcium supplements?
BingoBoingo: washed eggshells tend to be more permeable and allow enhanced opportunities for contamination.
jdanks: that's what i hear, but what can ya do really? people don't like poop
jdanks: i've heard of a few grandmas who will just crack an egg straight into a pan and scoop the poop out if it falls in accidentally. gross that i've heard that more than once imo
punkman: washed eggs don't keep long, 'tis folk wisdom
punkman: jdans, just brushing them should be better
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30122 @ 0.00076064 = 22.912 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15578 @ 0.00076097 = 11.8544 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15521 @ 0.00076167 = 11.8219 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00076167 = 4.4939 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00076098 = 24.3514 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10910 @ 0.00076167 = 8.3098 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 82 @ 0.179 = 14.678 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00076403 = 13.9053 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00075975 = 6.23 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: heh look at that, xapo traded. iiiincredible
xmj: moin
nubbins`: new blog post, in which mp discovers marijuana
mircea_popescu: fu i discovered marijuana before you were born!
mircea_popescu: eleventy
nubbins` raises eyebrows
nubbins`: 3yo romanian kid smoking weed
nubbins`: eastern yoorup isn't what i thought it was
jurov: what didja thought?
kakobrekla: by 3 he got out of rehab
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12201 @ 0.00075991 = 9.2717 BTC [+]
nubbins`: "tim roth, pre-tupac"
assbot: Microsoft confirms it will buy 'Minecraft' for $2.5 billion | The Verge
mircea_popescu: wtf. what's wrong with those suckers, didn't they hear some shitty app sold for 120 bn ?
mircea_popescu: minecraft is popular and everything
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do you know how many copies minecraft has sold?
thestringpuller: ;;google minecraft sales
gribble: Minecraft Stats: <https://minecraft.net/stats>; Minecraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minecraft>; Minecraft Console Sales Pass PC, Series Nears 54 Million Copies ...: <http://www.gamespot.com/articles/minecraft-console-sales-pass-pc-series-nears-54-million-copies-sold/1100-6420724/>
mircea_popescu: i know watsapp sold ~0, so there is that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 394 @ 0.00172561 = 0.6799 BTC [-] {23}
thestringpuller: lol minecraft is valued less though it generates more revenue than an application that doesn't generate any revenue at all...
mircea_popescu: so why im saying, total idiots sellign for 2.5 bn. what's wrong with 1.5 trillion ?
thestringpuller: cause notch isn't a ceo...
assbot: I'm leaving Mojang I dont see myself as a real game developer. I make game - Pastebin.com
thestringpuller: notch is like the woz of games...
mircea_popescu: poster child for the puritan failure to create a worldview.
mircea_popescu: dja know who mehmed 2 was ?
thestringpuller: the conquerer?
thestringpuller: i learned about him in school...
mircea_popescu: mkay. he was made a sultan at 13. the hungarians did some elaborate mental gymnastics to arrive at the conclusion that breaking their treaty was not really breaking their treaty.
mircea_popescu: the 13 yo sultan wrote to his long retired father, "if you are the sultan, come and lead the army. if i am the sultan, i command you to come and lead my army"
mircea_popescu: your english speaking "computer geek" is less able than a 13 yo barely literate ottoman.
thestringpuller: yes. so he has microsoft lead his army?
mircea_popescu: who actually lived before calvin was even invented.
mircea_popescu: microsoft is a ladislaw-huniyad meld looking for its varna.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you remind me of Alhazen
mircea_popescu: well i don't have the good hats.
ben_vulpes: hunyadi?
mircea_popescu: yea that
mircea_popescu: why's obama being helped down the stairs lol
nubbins`: putin dgaf about helping the queen down the stairs
nubbins`: hahah
nubbins`: they're starting a congo line, guy in the back left
mircea_popescu: anyway, merkel kicks ass in that pic.
mircea_popescu: if i were her that's what i'd put on twitter.
nubbins`: calculating the fallout from a hard shove
mircea_popescu: nah, she's like, being propositioned by the frenchies
mircea_popescu: and she's like ^-*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19199 @ 0.00076147 = 14.6195 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: putin is funnier the more i look
nubbins`: ;;google the cheese stands alone
gribble: The Farmer in the Dell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farmer_in_the_Dell>; The Cheese Stands Alone - Gatherer - Wizards of the Coast: <http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=9773>; The Cheese STANDS ALONE!!!!!!! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eetCbW2iI4Y>
mircea_popescu: anyway, the queen totally fucking lost it. i mean seriously, capot inflorat with gloves and hat ?
nubbins`: it's a shame they don't put that shit on the money
nubbins`: guy in -otc looking for "investors" so he can buy some sort of mining hw
nubbins`: his btcjam profile has two "recommendations" from friends. the second one commences thus:
nubbins`: "He is good at selling weed, fucking lolitas and doing magic with linux"
nubbins`: my sides
mircea_popescu: is this the new street cool btw ? weed, lolitas and linux ?
mircea_popescu: WLL, the MLLnium generation ?
nubbins`: selling weed is only cool in the eyes of teenage girls
nubbins`: ;;google willennium
gribble: Willennium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willennium>; Amazon.com: Willennium: Music: <http://www.amazon.com/Willennium-Will-Smith/dp/B000031XCS>; Will Smith - Will 2k (Willennium) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6Rms5J7nGI>
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell jurov is it still causing havoc? i'm using the only coinbr referral code i have…
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Peter Diamandis Is A Lab Modified Organism | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: ^because penguirker no me gusta
pete_dushenski: affairs being tended to, good morning!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: heh look at that, xapo traded. iiiincredible << yw ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00075707 = 13.2109 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: ABC "After These Messages We'll Be Right Back" Cowboy - 1988 Bumper - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00075577 = 36.2014 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16727 @ 0.00075551 = 12.6374 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67381 @ 0.00075259 = 50.7103 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00075596 = 10.4322 BTC [+]
assbot: Benefit tales | stories from the frontline of benefit changes in the UK in 2013.
assbot: 212,000 People Beaten Up For Being On Benefits, Shocking Survey Reveals | Benefit tales
mircea_popescu: better link
mircea_popescu: 200k is just the beginning.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 5.18644588 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 451 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: sooo for some uncomp[rehensible reason, <a href=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OlderThanTheyLook‎> from trilema does not lead to the page, but to the main page
mircea_popescu: i guess tvtropes loses all its trilema links now.
jdanks: could be some kind of apache mod_rewrite rules
assbot: PCParity3.pdf - Google Drive
pete_dushenski: ^Unique Option Pricing Measure With Neither Dynamic Hedging nor Complete Markets, by Taleb
mircea_popescu: jdanks yes, it is, quite clearly, because if you search for the page title and go from google it delivers it
mircea_popescu: but if you go to the same url directly it does not
mircea_popescu: which sort of idiotic ineptitude is exactly why things becoming popular has such a bad name.
mircea_popescu: it used to be a great resource five years ago, back when nobody knew about it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.29789742 BTC to 15`398 shares, 8429 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: then derps started to edit articles, because hey, derps wanna be part of things, resulting in a marked decrease in quality over time. by now, derps are "managing" things, because hey, derp gotta derp.
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/511306451919568897 << or with mircea_popescu to eradicate bitcoin
assbot: The US partnering with Saudi Arabia to eradicate Islamic intolerance is equivalent to partnering with John Gotti to eradicate the mafia.
mircea_popescu: im so sick of this equalitarian world it can't be put into words.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski say wut ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] [PAID] 4.55446000 BTC to 455`446 shares, 1000 satoshi per share
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol ya
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23653 @ 0.00075633 = 17.8895 BTC [+]
mike_c: you think they put in a mod_rewrite for trilema that redirects to homepage? that makes little sense.
pete_dushenski: jurov: “The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” << this is dr. strangelove's mineshaft proposal, neh?
mircea_popescu: mike_c more like, if not from our page or google, redirect
peterl: and word on when F.DERP will start trading?
mircea_popescu: tbh i don't care specifically what they did, they're not paying me to consult. i just care i clicked a link in an article and it doesn't go now where it go when i put it there, so that's that : out goes the link and the venue is banned
mircea_popescu: peterl started a while back neh ?
assbot: In calitate de antropolog pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: for me 2.
assbot: Home Page - Television Tropes & Idioms
mircea_popescu: ;;google OlderThanTheyLook‎
gribble: Main/Older than They Look - Television Tropes & Idioms: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OlderThanTheyLook>; OlderThanTheyLook/REALLIFE - Television Tropes & Idioms: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/OlderThanTheyLook/REALLIFE>; 10 Celebrities Who Are Older Than You Think | Women's Health ...: <http://www.womenshealthmag.com/life/celebrities-older-than-they- (1 more message)
mike_c: they banned assbot too! :)
peterl: mircea_popescu: is it trading? it looks like there has been no activity since it was listed, and no asks?
mircea_popescu: same fucking url.
mircea_popescu: peterl well sure, that's entirely up to the market.
mircea_popescu: technically it's trading, but in business terms it seems no one wants to buy
mircea_popescu: which... i have nfi when will people want to start taking derp exposure, but possibly never.
peterl: is jurov here?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: 's quite vast. gargantua & pantagruel around the world in 80 days can even be done straight in french. for canadians. << would definitely enjoy this!
mircea_popescu: maybe fart powered balloon to satisfy the south park canadian stereotype
pete_dushenski: and celine dion cameo
mircea_popescu: she could be credited as celine dijon.
rithm: celine dion's body of talent as a singer is amazing.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: now with real mustard seeds!
rithm: she has a sexy nose too
mircea_popescu: that's just a jewish trick.
mircea_popescu: her real nose is hidden away in a chest in her house.
assbot: dpaste: 335P68J: Bitfinex Introduces Mining Contracts, by tat
ThickAsThieves: you can short and leverage and margin etc
kakobrekla: so another short only cex like asset
mircea_popescu: so basically they've just copied that havelock thing w/e it was
ThickAsThieves: well they claim to actually mine
ThickAsThieves: not sure why to bother
ThickAsThieves: probly just one more place to skim
mircea_popescu: the problem with this thing is you can't fucking deliver hashes.
mircea_popescu: "Female genital mutilation is a bigger problem than male genital mutilation because women love their vaginas and men love vaginas"
mircea_popescu: this is such bs. for one thing, dudes kinda love cocks, which is how all the faux gay stuff got started. for the other, all the women i know love the c0k.
mircea_popescu: they like their vaginas, sure, about like a dude likes his cock
kakobrekla: you deliver hash to 'a pool'. you can own 'a pool'
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you can't. the pool doesn't actually know how much hash you do.
kakobrekla: can make a good estimate
kakobrekla: if you make sat hash - who cares
mircea_popescu: see, here's the problem. suppose i contract to deliver you x hash. your only way to measure this is by how many blocks you solve, or by how much work i ask for.
mircea_popescu: i can ask for as much work as i want
mircea_popescu: !up qq1932
mircea_popescu: and if i get lucky and solve more than the exact number, i just got some spare hash now
mike_c: this is solved with shares, yes?
mircea_popescu: not really that i know.
kakobrekla: >or by how much work i ask for. < noone in the right mind does this
mike_c: you report block solutions that aren't good enough but close.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how would you meter it ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c hmmm
kakobrekla: you report back shares with diff larger than x
kakobrekla: x is settable
qq1932: (hi, thanks. I'm the same startup founder as before previous, don't have anything specific to say but connected with a couple of people here.)
mircea_popescu: yeah im totally wrong, you can actually deliver hash.
qq1932: hi, mircea.
qq1932: what's new?
mircea_popescu: so which one of you wants to run the atc p2pool for btc and do the delivery part of a mpex traded fully delivered hash future ?
mike_c: interesting
ThickAsThieves: intresting detail, the shorters have to pay the divs
kakobrekla: and leverage, over 9000?
mircea_popescu: mike_c the problem, of course, being that instadelivery of hash is not possible.
ThickAsThieves: 4:1 with 8:1 likely
mike_c: also, that you actually need the hash to deliver, which is difficult because you have to keep adding power to be relevant.
mircea_popescu: this is so fucking resistent, this problem.
kakobrekla: i can see them turning off the supposed miners in a few months and let this be completely fictional
mircea_popescu: i mean, the most you can get is a pre-sale or reserve-a-miner website, which already exists.
assbot: Spider-Woman's Big Ass is a Big Deal! - YouTube
kakobrekla: you have to keep adding power to be relevant. < this depends on the her Moore
kakobrekla: herr*
mike_c: he hasn't quit yet
kakobrekla: id bet it will before the new block reward goes to 0
ThickAsThieves: lol teenage boys like skin-tight supergirls "for the articles" news at 11!
assbot: Andreas Antonopoulos Joins E-Commerce Platform CoinSimple
ThickAsThieves: dude's noteriety is way past spent
ThickAsThieves: notoriety*
mircea_popescu: this is generally how it goes.
mircea_popescu: my favourite example of this business is a gypsy guy by the name viorel lis. at one time the mayor of bucharest, a decade later he was living in the street, but still appearing now and again on tabloid television sets as "an expert" and "ex mayor" for the 2-300 euro fee that brought him
ThickAsThieves: http://imgur.com/NrTEZdl "we can't accept users come form USA, Iran, Cuba and North Korea" lol
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3401 @ 0.00075916 = 2.5819 BTC [+]
TomServo: aha, that's good stuff
ThickAsThieves: further added ""The only reason Iran, Cuba, and North Korea are on that list is because USA sanctioned them - we didn't really have a problem with their regulations." ~ Huobi
ThickAsThieves: there are .29btc of swaps available to short the new bfx mining thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00076085 = 21.3038 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the number can be adjusted as needed, i wouldn't worry.
mircea_popescu: And the Reddit link cites the source as... Reddit of course. Because apparently nobody creates anything anymore, and it all belongs to Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and Instagram, right assholes? Why bother doing journalism when you can wave a magic wand and say "INTERNET DID IT!"
ThickAsThieves: news is no better than a cliche now, no one knows or cares where it comes from before using it
ThickAsThieves: just a testament to its value, not sure if it's as damning as the guy makes it out to be
mircea_popescu: only for the barbarian horde.
mircea_popescu: in general, what distinguishes people from animals is the ability of people to trace history.
ThickAsThieves: really who gves a fuck that some dude notices some shitty news agency being insenstive about some actor
ThickAsThieves: this aint 'history' tho
ThickAsThieves: it's trivia
mircea_popescu: well that's not a fair statement of wat happened, and the noticing is noteworthy for the same reason it's noticed in the first place.
ThickAsThieves: i mean i agree with how he sees it, in and of itself
mircea_popescu: if you don't care about what was noticed it's one thing. to pretend to not care about who noticed tho, it's untenable.
mircea_popescu: thus when bitfinex reimplements that guy's idea but fails to mention that guy, bitfinex is jkust placing itself outside the walls and that's all.
ThickAsThieves: should every new lightbulb pay homage to edison or whomever he had make it?
ThickAsThieves: and then, is not everything an iteration?
nubbins`: i want my toilet to have a per-flush royalty
nubbins`: rubber bands: who do i owe?
mircea_popescu: everything is an iteration, yes. i don't personally care what anyone does, but the thing that distinguishes me from your run of the mill amoeba living on my penis
mircea_popescu: is that my kid will have a name.
mircea_popescu: !up sensorii
mircea_popescu: it's not even a matter of "you must", any more than "you must read a fucking book" when you're 12.
mircea_popescu: it's more a matter that you actually want to.
ThickAsThieves: what is you 10th removed father's name?
mircea_popescu: mircea :D
ThickAsThieves: i figured
mircea_popescu: still you know, showing weakness of implementation does not invalidate the principle
mircea_popescu: pretending to interact with things of unknown origin is a ridiculous position to take.
ThickAsThieves: i appreciate it as a value, just playing the other side here
mircea_popescu: might as well run random code or w/e
ThickAsThieves: the line blurs eventually
mircea_popescu: right, that's what the guy signing for the rape-contract said
mircea_popescu: "i know logix but the line bluered eventually."
mircea_popescu: so now i'm paying for three cars to use one.
assbot: Urban Outfitters Kent State Sweatshirt Stirs Anger : People.com
ThickAsThieves: yknow, i dont even know my father's father's first name?
mircea_popescu: well so ask him
ThickAsThieves: for realz
ThickAsThieves: he died fairly young i think so never talked bout
mircea_popescu: #b-a, the source of special father-son moments
ThickAsThieves: his wife wore black her whole life
ThickAsThieves: died in her 80s
nubbins`: goth
ThickAsThieves: portuguese
mircea_popescu: "i know this woman who wore black for some dude her entire life. she was my grandmother. i dun recall the guy's name."
ThickAsThieves: catholic, rather
nubbins`: mp XD
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i knowed a woman that killed herself when her (old) husband died
nubbins`: ;;calc 12500/[ticker --last]
gribble: 26.2687821793
nubbins`: mircea_popescu imagine
ThickAsThieves: my dad doesnt 'talk about shit'
mircea_popescu: what am i imagining ?
nubbins`: get him high
ThickAsThieves: i'm workin on that
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: uh... the thing you just remembered
mircea_popescu: ah yeah.
nubbins`: habit of speech, just ignore
ThickAsThieves: he's got fibromyalgia after all
mircea_popescu: speaking of high, the pot here is infucking credible.
nubbins`: oh really? crush up some aleve and sprinkle it in
ThickAsThieves: the pot in Seattle was great
mircea_popescu: what's an aleve ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu try canada some time
ThickAsThieves: just one kind available tho
nubbins`: aleve = naproxen
ThickAsThieves: naprozen sodium
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it may be the case that pot massively improved since i last had any back in the prehistoric times
ThickAsThieves: pot is way diff now
nubbins`: yeah, it's all genetics and shit now
nubbins`: leafly.com
mircea_popescu: aha. well then i guess that's what it is. anyway
ThickAsThieves: it's too strong imo
mircea_popescu: well done to potheads, this is like not having any coffee for a decade and then it being like... wait i didn't recall it being like this.
ThickAsThieves: you cant just take a joint of 24% THC to the head, i mean wtf
nubbins`: nooooo
nubbins`: it's all about the one-hitter nowadays
nubbins`: you get fried to death otherwise
nubbins`: or vaporizing. now that's a gentle way to get killed
ThickAsThieves: smoking a joint is just proper imo, the vapes taste nice n all, but make me feel like an addict
nubbins`: mircea_popescu if you didn't have coffee since 2004, you'd probably be surprised that your local shop now offers Ethiopia Chelelektu Kochere instead of "medium roast"
nubbins`: vape high is different, creeps up
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i buy coffee at ouro preto. it's still mocca
ThickAsThieves: nub that's like calling a butterfly a Rhopalocera
ThickAsThieves: same shit
nubbins`: re: coffee or re: pot?
chetty: Ethiopia Chelelektu Kochere//hipster junks
nubbins`: ah ah. nah man, these single-origin coffees are fucking amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
nubbins`: i roasted for the better part of a year
ThickAsThieves: i'm no pro
nubbins`: you wouldn't believe the breadth of flavors
nubbins`: coffee has tons of varietals, just like weed
chetty: well I am happy here if I can get it without sugar
nubbins`: chetty: the flavor descriptions are guaranteed to be over the top, but there's some seriously eye-opening shit out there
nubbins`: i've roasted beans that have tasted like blueberries
chetty: they roast coffee with sugar here ..to improve the flavor or smthin
nubbins`: where's here?
mircea_popescu: nah it's just because they're nuts
mircea_popescu: with their dolce de leche and sugar generally
mircea_popescu: but anyway. bll.
nubbins`: i've heard of people adding salt to grounds to eliminate bitterness
nubbins`: but a more sensible solution would be, y'know, to prepare your cup in such a way that it's not so bitter in the first place
ThickAsThieves: even worse than bitter is a sour espresso
ThickAsThieves: that's the extent of my noob coffee experience
nubbins`: oo yeah, you've got what, 30s to get that espresso to your lips?
nubbins`: shit, if they take too long pulling the shot you're fucked
nubbins`: but srsly tho, if you're making coffee in a drip machine, try to find a pour-over device
nubbins`: they're cheap as shit and they make the best coffee
ben_vulpes: what the fuck is with outlook users and blue email text?
mike_c: it's the default font. what's wrong with blue? it's soothing.
nubbins`: blue 10pt calibri
nubbins`: it's professional.
nubbins`: big companies like blue. don't you want your company to be big? have some blue.
thestringpuller: nubbins`: i got a connect with zumiez
thestringpuller: when he meets with home office for the 2015 FY i may have a huge order for you
thestringpuller: what is the max you can print in a single order?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 800 @ 0.00066108 = 0.5289 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3276 @ 0.00076085 = 2.4925 BTC [+]
diametric: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/FST-01
assbot: FST-01 - Wiki
ThickAsThieves: "We predict that Bitcoin’s lasting legacy will be the innovations it has spurred to payment technology, although the payment system will remain dominated by large processors because of economies of scale."
assbot: Bitcoin as Money? - Boston Fed
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller i did a pile of bare metal automation for them once upon a time
nubbins`: thestringpuller few hundred i suppose, there's a point where larger shops w/ automatic presses would offer better pricing
thestringpuller: but i'd rather you get the benefit of the business nubbins`
nubbins`: well tyvm!
thestringpuller: if you can recommend a shop and they give you a cutback on the order "finders fee" or something i would consider
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: interesting
thestringpuller: automated screen printing presses
asciilifeform: diametric: FST-01 << useful for many purposes, but not crypto. on account of being reflashable via usb.
asciilifeform: diametric: likewise, no provision for powerline discipline.
diametric: asciilifeform: seems like the TRNG they implement that can be utilized separately might be nice.
diametric: I said might, so I defer to the experts.
asciilifeform: diametric: an adequate trng is incredibly easy to build. but don't use adc noise on a general-purpose micro - is heavy on quantization bias, and easy to nudge from outside.
thestringpuller: weird tx's announced from my node are taking forever to be picked up by the network...
jurov: thestringpuller: btc? atc?
thestringpuller: jurov btc
punkman: thestringpuller: bitcoin is racist, didn't you know
thestringpuller: yes it is. against white people.
jurov: and i wonder about nigger^W dust transaction spam in debug log
jurov: so it's you!
thestringpuller: in all seriousness my invoice expires in 3 minutes
punkman: ;;seen poutine
gribble: poutine was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 weeks, 4 days, 15 hours, 55 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <poutine> No, but I am developing some cluster based transactional services for it
thestringpuller: and this shit isn't being picked up by the network
BingoBoingo: Nice find punkman
jurov: paste it here, i'll try to feed it my node
jurov: or pm
jurov: by popular request, F.DERP was added to CoinBr
jurov: (sry I forgot)
jurov: ;;calc 4657.83/100000000
gribble: 4.65783e-05
jurov: you'd have to offer more than that for mp to consider selling his precious derp shares
thestringpuller: i thought someone would want to sell derp shares and get rid of them
ThickAsThieves: this is the other side of it
ThickAsThieves: the short side is f.derp
ThickAsThieves: the long is each individual listing
jurov: thestringpuller only mp sold f.derp to himself
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2014 16:03:20; jurov: mircea_popescu when are F.DERP asks starting? or you just sold all of it to yourself? :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51267 @ 0.00075391 = 38.6507 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: coinbase is officially a scam
thestringpuller: ill post this chat into pastebin later
mike_c: they cancel a tx?
ThickAsThieves: you so high risk
thestringpuller: mike_c: when an invoice expires and they generate a new invoice they still send forward coins sent to the expired invoice to the merchant
thestringpuller: thus they create a situation where the merchant will have to refund a purchase if both invoices are filled
thestringpuller: the proper thing to do would be to automatically refund the coins. or hold them in escrow to return to the sendee.
thestringpuller: this is an easy way to create a fraudulent scenario.
assbot: Bitcoin Breaks New Ground With First Regulator-Approved Swap - CFO
jurov: frist!
jurov: Martin told the Wall Street Journal that a key to regulatory approval was the proprietary price index, which he called “a true neutral arbiter of the bitcoin price on a 24-hour basis that’s not susceptible to manipulation.”
jurov: rofl
Apocalyptic: I don't even...
jurov: maybe they use that oracle of 9 chumps?
mike_c: thestringpuller: so they say "send 1 btc to stringpuller in the next 10 mins to buy this book", and if it gets sent in 20 mins they still send along the coins?
thestringpuller: not only that mike_c
thestringpuller: but after 10 minutes
thestringpuller: the original invoice "refreshes" with a new 10 minute window and a new address
thestringpuller: what if I ddose'd the sender
thestringpuller: so that the tx doesn't get announced to a large % of the network quickly thus coinbase doesn't hear it so it keeps refreshing invoices and I send 2 or 3 tx's
thestringpuller: and sender sends*
mike_c: and now the merchant is responsible for returning the coins.
thestringpuller: then i the merchant decide "well i don't feel like refunding you"
thestringpuller: what power does coinbase have?
thestringpuller: except to say "we'll pay out of pocket and not do business with this merchant"
thestringpuller: or whatever
thestringpuller: sounds scammy
thestringpuller: or at least to me ~_~
thestringpuller: ;;seen Namworld
gribble: Namworld was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 8 hours, 37 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <Namworld> Eh, not really. Day is the same lenght, regardless of sleeping hours
thestringpuller: ;;later tell Namworld send me a ;;later or pm when you next come about
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: hm, it does sound wrong.. tough problem to get right.
thestringpuller: bitpay at least does escrow
thestringpuller: they also refund coins if there is an overpay
thestringpuller: "this invoice has been overpaid"
thestringpuller: so they recommend you send with an address that can receive change
mike_c: but refund where?
thestringpuller: to the sending address
thestringpuller: like satoshi dice
thestringpuller: they've been doing this for years...
mike_c: to the sending address though, that can cause problems too. it is better, but not great.
Namworld: thestringpuller, pm
assbot: Who is U2?
assbot: the niggas that took "check out my mixtape" to a whole new level RT /p0psson: Who the fuck is U2?
jurov: !up PeterL
PeterL: jurov, I think you used the wron numbers for F.DERP price
jurov: mp got 100`000`000 shares for 4`657.83 BTC, no?
PeterL: ;;calc (7431-50)/22710945
gribble: 0.000324997484693
jurov: what's that?
PeterL: total assets and total shares
PeterL: from latest f.derp report
PeterL: where did you get 100M shares from?
jurov: oh he bought moar of them, for "nominal value of 32499 satoshi"
jurov: 100M is from prospect
jurov: ;;calc 7431.77251298/0.00032499
gribble: 22867695.969
thestringpuller: should be an even number no?
thestringpuller: should be a whole number*
jurov: you can't ask this from FP maths
jurov: report says 22`710`945 shares
jurov: either mircea_popescu ignored its own prospectus (100`000`000 shares for 4`657.83 BTC) or I'm getting crazy
jurov: due to whole yesterday coding in haskell
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jurov: ;;rated PeterL
gribble: You have not yet rated user PeterL
jurov: ;;gettrust PeterL
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jurov to user PeterL: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=PeterL | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=PeterL | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 17:10:12 2014
jurov: ;;rate PeterL diligent guy, deserves a voice
gribble: Error: 'diligent' is not a valid integer.
jurov: ;;rate PeterL 1 diligent guy, deserves a voice
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user PeterL has been recorded.
PeterL: lol
jurov: aren't you peter lambert?
jurov: ;;seen plambert
gribble: plambert was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 weeks, 3 days, 18 hours, 48 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <PLambert> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2622919/UPS-accidentally-delivers-350K-US-government-DRONE-college-student-ordered-weightlifting-bench.html
jurov: i guess not
PeterL: me? yeah
PeterL: well, I was Peter Lambert on the forum
PeterL: I switched between PLambert and PeterL a few times before settling on PeterL here
PeterL: (and sometimes if I am using webchat and don't log in fast enough I have to come up with a different username)
jurov: and what do you do otherwise?
PeterL: otherwise?
jurov: work, or business
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20024 @ 0.00075328 = 15.0837 BTC [-] {2}
PeterL: I'm a chemist, I dabble in bitcoin investments as a hobby
jurov: dealing with explosives?
jurov: !up PeterL
PeterL: not usually explosives, but I have had a few things go up in flames (note: dumping pyrophoric powder into a container of flammable liquid is a bad idea)
jurov: better pour the liquid into the powder...oh wait
PeterL: better to have a nitrogen atmosphere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13017 @ 0.00075366 = 9.8104 BTC [+]
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 291952.35 in 1119 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.46
atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 48.87 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.04 TH/s
RagnarDanneskjol: BingoBoingo - is there anyone else to mine the pool other than Rob? Its going to be virtually impossible to validate pool functionality without at least 2 separate miners running non-stop for at least 24 (pref 48 or more) hours
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: I guess I can rent a miner.
RagnarDanneskjol: i can too - just hoped someone was already doing it
RagnarDanneskjol: let me see if i can identify some reliable renta-miner ppl
BingoBoingo: What's the pool address. I'll get something aimed at it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.18999492 = 3.7999 BTC [+] {6}
chalbersma: 104.131.60.126:8559
RagnarDanneskjol: thx chris - forgot port
chalbersma: You can also use http://72.135.98.192:8559/ as a backup.
assbot: P2Pool
chalbersma: The second one is running on my home connection I plan to keep it running until we validate and release the p2pool software and more people start running their own copies.
RagnarDanneskjol: wtf i that advert on the bottom of pool?
chalbersma: On me personal pool? I need to remove that but that was me initially testing the advertising idea.
chalbersma: 104 shouldn't have an advert
RagnarDanneskjol: I am EXTREMELY suspicious of any cloud-mining operation - they are a barrel or snakes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13184 @ 0.00075168 = 9.9101 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4498 @ 0.00075157 = 3.3806 BTC [-]
assbot: visualobscurity: Salvador Dali painting La Cara... - Mystery of the Mundane
ben_vulpes: i miss you, princessnell
BingoBoingo: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 19 minutes and 13 seconds
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 320870 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1689 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 21 hours, 31 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 33095429580.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.94779
assbot: The Case for Kill Switches in Military Weaponry - Scientific American
kdomanski: next stop: killswitches in all guns (Judge Dredd style), so the "society" can disarm the oh so disagreeable individual
chalbersma: I'm sure the hacking of kill switches will never be used against the soldiers in quesiton.
BingoBoingo: ;;tslb
chalbersma: Somthin something amazing.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
gribble: Time since last block: 38 minutes and 6 seconds
BingoBoingo: Alright, rented a ~600gh/s rig and pointed it at the pool for 48 hours
chalbersma: Nice. Thanks!
chalbersma: Just out of curiosity where did you rent from?
assbot: Mining Rig Rentals | Rigs
BingoBoingo: Before we signed X-Rob it's where we got hash from during the ATC block constipation crisis
X-Rob: I love the name.
chalbersma: Bookmarked
BingoBoingo: SOme rigs there were better than others.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57300 @ 0.00075176 = 43.0758 BTC [+] {3}
chalbersma: BingoBongo, did you miner go down?
BingoBoingo: chalbersma: It's went down a bit
chalbersma: Fair enough.
chalbersma: I'll brb. Got to drive home.
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 780/8
gribble: 97.5
ben_vulpes: why not just 99.99/hr, kid?
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 780/5
gribble: 156
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 2*256
gribble: 512
ben_vulpes: dorp.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00075667 = 31.1748 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Wait, and mircea_popescu got banned for razzing Andreas to death? https://twitter.com/FeministaJones/status/511636675311960066
assbot: According to /twitter /Support, a person is not in violation for tweeting things like this http://t.co/UNVkBftY02
thestringpuller: Running the Bitcoin core daemon as a Docker container
assbot: Running the Bitcoin core daemon as a Docker container Medium
assbot: Running the Bitcoin core daemon as a Docker container : Bitcoin
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: ^^^
ben_vulpes: ya i saw that and was all "goddamnit why didn't i"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1223 @ 0.00071 = 0.8683 BTC [-] {3}
kdomanski: you've got to love how docker almost ships its own OS as bundled dependecies with the source
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22138 @ 0.00075142 = 16.6349 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: kdomanski: come again? i'm not familiar with this notion of "almost shipping"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.18999991 = 0.76 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: using EBS for multi-host blockchain is pretty neat
ben_vulpes: now show me the one that builds 0.6 :D
kdomanski: ben_vulpes: s/almost ships/ships what is almost/
ben_vulpes: dat black magic
kdomanski: foreign language grammar?
ben_vulpes: shorthand for "lots of things happening into which i have no insight"
kdomanski: ben_vulpes: nvm, I thought you alluded to my grammar
ben_vulpes: no, no.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.18999991 = 2.85 BTC [+]
peterl: grammar looks fine to me in the first version
ben_vulpes: docker: css 4.4%
ben_vulpes: that's pretty funny.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01055 = 0.5275 BTC [+]
kdomanski: ben_vulpes: a funny conversation I had started with a colleague of mine saying it's a pitty there's no industrial programming language repos on github
ben_vulpes: lolya where's my motoman plc badge!?
kdomanski: so I inquire WTF is an industrial programming language
kdomanski: turns out every vendor's custom scripting lingo is oh so industrial, oh so professional, oh so reliable
ben_vulpes: to the matlab, engineers!
xmj: don't forget robust and scalable
kdomanski: xmj: sorry, my bad
jdanks: matlab! :)
xmj: definitely scalable. horizontally and vertically
kdomanski: bacause you know, out there in the industry bugs kill people and they can't have bugs!
jdanks: i'll start pushing my cfml to git just for you guys
xmj: anyone called the exterminator?
xmj: jdanks: completely fuckedup markup language?
jdanks: haha, coldfusion!
ben_vulpes: alive and kicking
kdomanski: and while we're at it, writing code is so 20th century, it's 2014 - we have graphical techostuffs
xmj: jdanks: saying the same thing in different words
jdanks: i know there is a WTF license but there's a language called wtf?
xmj: jdanks: there's a language called brainfuck.
jdanks: i had a feeling xmj. it ain't so bad, but it is forcing me to learn the idiosyncracies of java
jdanks: i've seen brainfuck!
kdomanski: xmj: I was just typing that :P
xmj: jdanks: brainfuck is oftentimes used to prove that other languages are Turing-complete.
kdomanski: and the National Instruments sales representative said that with LabView you can bla bla herp-a-derp
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: I just noticed this -- Best share: 33.9G -- not too long ago that would have been a btc block.
xmj: jdanks: e.g. there's a brainfuck parser for LOLCODE (no joke) which makes LOLCODE by inheritance turing-complete too.
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Damn
X-Rob: that one was found within the last 24 hours or so
kdomanski: omg, lolcode is sweet
xmj: +
kdomanski: somehow I'm not suprised that JS gets a honorary place on the first "list of 10 weirdest programming languages" I found
jdanks: you think js is wierd?
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: This share difficulty = 1.0 definitely seems to be a problem
jdanks: i guess it depends where you have started.
kdomanski: it's inconvenient at the very least
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: yeah, I'm solo mining again, for the moment.
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: I've rented hash and pointed it there for 48 hours. Hopefully this drives the pool diff up or... chalbersma can do something to force it up
jdanks: all js is useful for is node or bells and whistles client side. you can do some nice stuff that you would do in c with typed arrays. apparently that typed array stuff is new to js or so ive heard, kdomanski
kdomanski_: ssssh, I lost connection, waiting for logs to update :P
kdomanski_: I definitely saw MP speak, but it's not in the logs
jdanks: anyone have any cheap hosting that takes btc? cheap being not namecheap
jdanks: need to host a service similar to bit.ly
kdomanski_: mircea_popescu: something wrong with http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ ?
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
kdomanski_: oh
mircea_popescu: welcome backl everybody lol
kdomanski: so mircea_popescu, before the netsplit I asked what did you do before bitcoin
mircea_popescu: observe how i'm still voiced. this is because YOU split from me.
mircea_popescu: let's resync.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> hm, what's a normal temperature for a normal desktop videocard to normally run at ?
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> not mining or anything.
mircea_popescu: <kdomanski> mircea_popescu: what did you do before bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> kdomanski i was retired before bitcoin
kdomanski: <kdomanski> mircea_popescu: what did you do before bitcoin?
kdomanski: [01:41] <mircea_popescu> hm, what's a normal temperature for a normal desktop videocard to normally run at ?
kdomanski: [01:41] <mircea_popescu> not mining or anything.
kdomanski: [01:42] <kdomanski> mircea_popescu: 40 celsius for me
mircea_popescu: aha so this 46-47 business isn't actually all that extraordinary ?
kdomanski: I don't think so
kdomanski: retired? I thought you're somewhere in 30-40 yo range
mircea_popescu: i retired @24.
mircea_popescu: well, the first time anyway.
kdomanski: explain
mircea_popescu: what am i explaining ?
kdomanski: it was my understanding that bitcoin is what made you wealthy
mircea_popescu: lmao how did you get that one ?
mircea_popescu: no, i was rich long before btc.
kdomanski: I stand corrected
mircea_popescu: http://www.iambetterthanyourkids.com/images/inspirational/be_so_happy3.jpg << the main difference between russians and us people ? observe how evstafiev holds the woman's hand.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: even worse than bitter is a sour espresso << i think coffee tastes sour at a certain point of sweetening it.
nubbins`: i recall giving a presentation at the place i had a work term once
mircea_popescu: like, it's bitter, add sugar, less bitter, less bitter, wow sour, not bitter, a little sweet, sweeter etc
nubbins`: in the brief introductory bio my manager asked me to provide, i said i planned to retire by age 35
nubbins`: everyone had a nice lel
nubbins`: i wondered why ;0
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's not all it's cracked up to be. i spent a while with old farts in costa rica, they bored me stiff.
mircea_popescu: there's just so much bridge a person can play.
nubbins`: ehh, retirement doesn't mean you stop working, just means you don't have to
mircea_popescu: no, that's not retirement, that's being alive.
nubbins`: don't tell me, tell the people who lelled at my plan
mircea_popescu: hello people that lelled at ~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163081094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net
mircea_popescu: dub well she did say she was a stripper.
mircea_popescu: !up Guest55668
mircea_popescu: fu assbot.
mircea_popescu: !up mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: diametric: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/FST-01 << ima let teh tech comment.
assbot: FST-01 - Wiki
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: if you can recommend a shop and they give you a cutback on the order "finders fee" or something i would consider <<< what you're contemplating is actually fraud, and a hanging offense you know.
mircea_popescu: punkman why was tramadol supposed to be natural ?!
mircea_popescu: natural in what sense, it exists or what.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: this is an easy way to create a fraudulent scenario. <<< i can actually confirm this. clueless intern paid .2 btc coinbase invoice, had to be slapped across head. the bitcents are and have been in limbo since friday.
kdomanski: I suspect natural the way THC is natural and LSD is not
mircea_popescu: PeterL: where did you get 100M shares from? << the confusion is mostly because originally F.DERP was going to have 10x as much money, but then i cut back because nobody was buying the derps, much to i guess no one's surprise.
mircea_popescu: kdomanski turns out it was urine polution. you know, the way us males get estrogen in the drinking water from all the pills chicks take to not make more kids.
peterl: I see. I guess you can't go back and change it, what with signatures and such
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: yup, I read it
peterl: If you had started on havelock you could switch it and nobody would know
mircea_popescu: uh da fuck
mircea_popescu: dude i can't believe this thing i edited one place but not the other and signed it like that o.O
mircea_popescu: now the reports and the contract are fucking diverged and jurov has legitimate complaint #873
mircea_popescu: thanks for saying something o.O
mircea_popescu: PeterL: not usually explosives, but I have had a few things go up in flames (note: dumping pyrophoric powder into a container of flammable liquid is a bad idea) << one of my favourite "experiments" as a 12 yo with a chemistry lab was setting on fire a mix of potassium chloride and sulfur powder, with various metals mixed in for coloration.
nubbins`: thestringpuller shirts finally arrived, printing films; your design doesn't have text converted to outlines
nubbins`: so now i have a large Arial TM in the middle of your image, instead of (probably) a tiny fun TM in the corner somewhere
mircea_popescu: "This summer the insurgent group ISIS captured the Iraqi city of Mosul—and along with it, three army divisions’ worth of U.S.-supplied equipment from the Iraqi army, including Humvees, helicopters, antiaircraft cannons and M1 Abrams tanks."
mircea_popescu: here's an idea for a kill switch : everyone in the pentagon is hanged.
mircea_popescu: treason.
mircea_popescu: !up notsakamoto
mircea_popescu: !up mircea_popescu
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2014 18:06:25; asciilifeform: diametric: an adequate trng is incredibly easy to build. but don't use adc noise on a general-purpose micro - is heavy on quantization bias, and easy to nudge from outside.
mircea_popescu: !up notsakamoto
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah yea i see.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2014 18:04:31; asciilifeform: diametric: FST-01 << useful for many purposes, but not crypto. on account of being reflashable via usb.
asciilifeform loves the log, friend of the lazy man
ben_vulpes: fuck. you. freenode.
mircea_popescu: kdomanski i have nfi how they presume to act as if the tanks are the problem. no, the us general staff, from the chief to the cleaning lady are the problem. hanged all of them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ikr ?
ben_vulpes: *months* of uptime and then what is this?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this is a soft system being attacked.
notsakamoto: rumor has it ethereum selling 1/2 their holdings to pay for dev. 15,000 btc hitting market soon
nubbins`: ben_vulpes get what ya pay for ;)
mircea_popescu: rumor has it that the scam in question only exists as an attempt to pull this sort of manipulation.
mircea_popescu: nobdy here gives a shit, on account of us being both richer and more powerful than the usg.
ben_vulpes: ah that's awesome
ben_vulpes: three hundred dollar coins by the end of summer?
notsakamoto: mp; u think its scam? unlikely. vitalik is trustworthy
ben_vulpes: no he's a moronic kid
nubbins`: 300? pricey
mircea_popescu: notsakamoto don't be a fuckwit and read the logs.
ben_vulpes: and a worse programmer than i
mircea_popescu: !down notsakamoto
nubbins`: dat down
mircea_popescu: minimum effort bs.
mircea_popescu: i miss the days of spring, back when they were paying romanian loser starvation wages to try their noob psychology on here.
ThickAsThieves: viva la serenisima!
mircea_popescu: yeah well, when someone takes three divisions worth off tanks from my own hands we can revisit this topic.
mircea_popescu: the us is by now that loser kid everyone "borrow" things from, and he doesn't mind if you'll just be his friend.
mircea_popescu: THAT is hitting the market soon. gl with the nasdaq.
ThickAsThieves: wall st took nice dump today
ThickAsThieves: TSLA down 9%
mircea_popescu: no dude, tesla is trustworthy.
mircea_popescu: maybe they hire butterdik
BingoBoingo: ^ P2Pool mined an ATC Block
ThickAsThieves: Musk was repeatedly telling people the shit is overpriced
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is it its 2nd ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah musk is actually remarkably clean for the shit he's in.
BingoBoingo: Well First on this instance, but yeah, second overall I believe
ben_vulpes: "shit he's in" << what shit is this? bed with the USG?
mircea_popescu: well yeah, selling stuff on glbse, selling stuff on wallstreet, what the hell's the difference.
nubbins`: cars are greasy, it comes off on your hands real easy
chalbersma: https://atc.blockr.io/block/info/45165 was the earlier one but we reset all the p2pool data in earlier testing.
ThickAsThieves: he's also in solar, which is a quiet little goldmine these days
ThickAsThieves: he's South African, heh
chalbersma: https://atc.blockr.io/address/info/1Kz5QaUPDtKrj5SqW5tFkn7WZh8LmQaQi4 is forrestv's address and all p2pool block send at least 1 satoshi to his address. Someone apparently had a p2pool instance going earlier (or was randomly transfering him 1 statoshis.
mircea_popescu: who is forrestv ?
BingoBoingo: Oh lulzy site notsakamoto had in his hostmask http://blackcoinsquare.org/
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BingoBoingo: Blackcoin moon spaceship apparently next year
chalbersma: He's the guy who created p2pool.https://github.com/forrestv/p2pool
ThickAsThieves: how will all the anonycoins fit in one moonship tho?
nubbins`: trailers
mircea_popescu: i can't fucking believe scientificamerican seriously is advocating making tanks run windows.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with that country already
BingoBoingo: I thought they already ran Windows CE or some shit.
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: wat? URL?
chalbersma: Well if they ran FreeBSD they'd never breakdown.
ThickAsThieves: sometimes i feel like unconvertible Excel files are the only reason MS still exists
mircea_popescu: kdomanski your own link from earlier.
mircea_popescu: "timed expiration" and such bs. "let's make it work more like windows me"
kdomanski: oh that
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah, the vast and growing population of useless office drones is the reason. they can be kept busy doing nothing which is the point.
ThickAsThieves: well can we at least convert them to ChromeOS or someshit
mircea_popescu: javatank
ThickAsThieves: i guess theyll all be in iOS soon
mircea_popescu: that'd be some awesome battlefield.
BingoBoingo: Ubuntank
ben_vulpes: BSDank
chalbersma: Introducing iTank! The most friendly and easy to use Tank every invented. Just take civillians put them infront of the intiutive iTarget system and choose the enemy to iKill.
chalbersma: *Occassionaly spits out naked photos of Jennifer Lawerence*
mircea_popescu: short for not really killed because killing is bad mkay
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: the article's author is a lawyer specializing in technology law and a member of Senate Whatever Comittee of Inteligence, go figure
mircea_popescu: kdomanski yeah, he's so clearly doing one of those faux-editorial advocacy pieces where some captured "intellectual" is workign to cover the scandalous govt acquisition from some company
mircea_popescu: you can tell them from a mile away. mostly because while they make no sense, they proceed liniarly in a way that's not warranted by their internal logic.
ThickAsThieves: wag the dog
mircea_popescu: "this is a plant made out of cells that could not stand on their own, and if they did would form a circle pattern. it's macropattern is linear. clearly there's something external hodling it all in place"
ThickAsThieves: i have some cows that shit circles
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so what is this forrestv thing, does the guy have like a little leak programmed into the code ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: X-Rob: I've rented hash and pointed it there for 48 hours. Hopefully this drives the pool diff up or... << i don't get it, the pool diff can't be arbitrarily set ?
chalbersma: @mircea_popescu let me see if I can find an explanation of it.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think it is just the guy who developed this thing hardcoded donations to himself.
mircea_popescu: wtf bs code is this.
BingoBoingo: Which at 1 satoshi per block seems largely symbolic and unspendable
mircea_popescu: that's not the point. the point is that if we discover this sort of shit by running it, who the fuck knows what else is in there
mircea_popescu: and moreover, i'm not promoting this sort of behaviour.
chalbersma: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=18313.150;wap2 Here's an explanation of it. His address is in the code manually for donations.
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mircea_popescu: chalbersma so why did you leave that in there ?
chalbersma: I added the minimum to make the code work. It can be changed in the future.
mircea_popescu: you added the minimum what ?
ThickAsThieves: change the payout to something cooler
nubbins`: effort
ThickAsThieves: b-a doesnt have a proper nonprofit to give to
ThickAsThieves: asbbot i guess
ThickAsThieves: or b-a.com
mircea_popescu: chalbersma did you know about this originally or did you discover it through reading up on it once people spotted it earlier ?
BingoBoingo: Bitbet Donations...
chalbersma: Noticed it with the first block and looked it up. 1 satoshi per block seemed harmless enough.
mircea_popescu: chalbersma always a good idea to say, and to ask.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the forum says .25 donated by default. did you change that or what ?
ThickAsThieves: lol traders blaming BTCUSD price on United Way now
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
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chalbersma: Only if you leave the default donation is the .25 per block given. I've set the manual donation to 0.
asciilifeform: hardcoded 'donation' << lulz. it's 2011 again!
ThickAsThieves: whats the difference between hardcoded donation and bitcoin wallet hacker virus?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform birdy in my ear whispers there's a legitimate reason for that thing. specifically, division errors.
ThickAsThieves: documentation?
mircea_popescu: if you have to split 5 apples equally between tim and mary easiest approach is to eat an apple.
asciilifeform: the original 'salami slicer' thief, if i recall, stole the rounding error at a large bank.
mircea_popescu: course that was 2 digit rounding error, not 8 digit.
kdomanski: <ThickAsThieves> b-a doesnt have a proper nonprofit to give to << how about Electronic Frontier Foundation?
ThickAsThieves: they havent passed my sniff test
mircea_popescu: actually, there's going to be the deeds registrar faucet
kdomanski: I see
mircea_popescu: there's also kako's beer fund
mircea_popescu: and if/when we make our own freenode there's going to be that
ThickAsThieves: that sounds like a good fund
asciilifeform contributed
ThickAsThieves: Free Freenode!
mircea_popescu: so save up the pennies, charitable charities coming soon
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ThickAsThieves: i liked the vanads project, but in reality i find myself being quite preoccupied with removing advertising from my life
ThickAsThieves: gos bless america
nubbins`: all about the posters
ThickAsThieves: posters i still enjoy
mircea_popescu: myeah, humane ads are like humane rape. a tough sell in the best of cases.
ThickAsThieves: i'm such an old man about it too, we were in the plane and the screen on the seat just starts playing video ads
ThickAsThieves: i was all offended
ThickAsThieves: we're waiting to take off and they are milking me?
ThickAsThieves: fukn hell
mircea_popescu: at some point in tm they tried to introduce ad screens in cabs.
nubbins`: keep turning em back on when you put the brightness all the way down too
mircea_popescu: i stopped the car, got out and spent the next hour screaming at people on the phone.
ThickAsThieves: in NY the cabs all have "news" playing
mircea_popescu: it... never took off.
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ThickAsThieves: 817? weird
ThickAsThieves: kis that what it was last xmas?
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asciilifeform: 'buzzfeed' ?? << no idea what it is/was, but can't escape images of folks being slowly fed into buzzing woodchipper
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asciilifeform: and, also related, 'kill switch' must only be a switch that kills someone when pressed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform buzzfeed is hot topic for the web.
asciilifeform: just as, in the words of an old sage, 'a kill file is simply a file containing list of people you are going to have killed.'
mircea_popescu: at least that's how i use it.
mircea_popescu: not to be confused with a bucket list.
asciilifeform: list of persons to be drowned in bucket ?
mircea_popescu: a bucket list being the list of things the assholes in question were hoping to do before i got to them.
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mircea_popescu: "TGI Friday's (often shortened to "Friday's" in most countries, previously stylized as "T.G.I. Friday's", and stylized "FRiDAY'S", or "T.G.I.s" in Ireland and the United Kingdom) is an American restaurant chain focusing on casual dining."
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is "asual dining"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Fast Food, but they make you wait for it.
BingoBoingo: McDonalds Food, but in a venue purporting to be a restaurant
mircea_popescu: but... why ?
mircea_popescu: location and tabletime costs more than fucking food.
mircea_popescu: why not go the other way wtf is with this puritan hate of pleasure and enjoyment for crying out loud.
BingoBoingo: Well, America hasn't had a Rochester yet.
mircea_popescu: yeah, yet. totally, that's happening.
BingoBoingo: So we're still stuck with Cromwell's legacy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eat an american bar of chocolate.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or better, pay some wretch to eat it
mircea_popescu: hershey won't even kill dogs.
asciilifeform: erzats.
mircea_popescu: it's ersatz unless you're hungarian
BingoBoingo: !s New Reno
mircea_popescu: hungarians are allowed to sz zs all over the place
asciilifeform: now, having done step 1 (american chocolate) - step 2 is to eat some 'premium' american chocolate.
asciilifeform: notice that it is almost exactly the same substance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform us "belgian" chocolates are pretty awful too.
asciilifeform: them, yes
asciilifeform: specifically.
mircea_popescu: i suspect they're about as belgian as haagen dasz
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2014#762111 << You said yourself you were planning a trip eventually
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2014 08:41:26; mircea_popescu: maybe i visit after the fall. play fallout in new reno irl or some4thing.
asciilifeform: and when you understand why, will also understand why 'casual dining' is a thing
asciilifeform: the consumer - demands.
mircea_popescu: demands my foot. nobody demands bad chocolate.
asciilifeform: these people - do.
mircea_popescu: i will not believe.
asciilifeform: go ahead, catch one, try to feed it actual chocolate.
mircea_popescu: the power of savarin compells you
mircea_popescu: QUIT THIS BODY!
mircea_popescu: choxorcism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i srsly never met a us born/bred woman that had trouble with good chocolate.
mircea_popescu: even the more exotic 92% dark romanian stuff
mircea_popescu: (it's bitter)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your filter is working correctly, then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's ersatz unless you're hungarian << or russian... >> эрзац.
mircea_popescu: dude you got colonised by hungarians
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with эрсац
mircea_popescu: ;;google эрсац
gribble: No matches found.
asciilifeform: hell, try jp., where president. Biru Kurintonu.
assbot: ))) | |
mircea_popescu: lol picassbot
ben_vulpes: <ThickAsThieves> we're waiting to take off and they are milking me? << lol you should hear lady v on the topic
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes your filter is functioning correctly.
mircea_popescu: (let's play your filter is functioning correctly tag)
mircea_popescu: ;;ud yfifc
gribble: Google found nothing.
assbot: Yorkshire Federation of Young Farmers' Clubs - Yorkshire Federation of Young Farmers' Clubs
asciilifeform: 'what's yer little ship's name?' 'the hero.' 'ain't ever been such a ship.' 'ain't been - will be now.'
ben_vulpes: what is this reference mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: like ten lines up in the log.
mircea_popescu: but basically, chocolate and womenz.
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ben_vulpes: subject of women
ben_vulpes: the office brides have asserted that "retarded" is not okay
ben_vulpes: assert*
ben_vulpes: so to pique them we now say "poorly engineered"
ben_vulpes: frequently with a...pregnant pause.
asciilifeform: office brides ?
mircea_popescu: why would you say something longer ?
asciilifeform: !up DiabloD3
DiabloD3: okay so
DiabloD3: office brides?
mircea_popescu: seems to me "female" is a good substitution for "retarded" for the company of females that think retarded's retarded.
ben_vulpes: to pique irk and troll
DiabloD3: Im thinking, like, the 50s style office maidens
DiabloD3: that brought you coffee and donuts and blowjobs
mircea_popescu: generally, whenever someone complains whatever they complain about should be replaced by something that's about a degree of magnitude more likely to bother them personally.
ben_vulpes: yeah but only when the contractors arent around
DiabloD3: before all this fucking "women's rights" shit ruined it for everybody
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that's the point of using "poorly engineered"
ben_vulpes: they know we're saying the same thing.
DiabloD3: seriously, I know women who would be fired for sexual harassment of men
DiabloD3: and it'd be a legitimate firing
mircea_popescu: hai DiabloD3
DiabloD3: the upper brass would just shut that whole thing down
DiabloD3: so to tell me women aren't willing participants in the whole office thing is bullshit
DiabloD3: there are many women who get off on men with power, and it is not our right as a society on who is allowed to get off on what (outside of bestiality and pedophilia and catholics
mircea_popescu: was this a prepared statement ?
DiabloD3: its a work in progress
ben_vulpes: grains?
mircea_popescu: there also little girls who get off on men with power.
mircea_popescu: anywhere between all and each and every last one of them.
Diablo-D3: there are also men who get off on women with power
Diablo-D3: and thats totally okay too
Diablo-D3: everyone should know what they get off to, and get off to it frequently
mircea_popescu: actually a lot of men get off on not getting to get off frequently
mircea_popescu: or at all.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` more cock cages sold last year than iphones.
nubbins`: ehh, more farts than kisses
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how would you know ? you don't check people's peckers do you ?
mircea_popescu: IMBATABLE ARGUMENT!!! ty homophobia!
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BingoBoingo: Wait, now we know how MP retired the first time with all the money.
nubbins`: yeah, PR wrote a tell-all book
mircea_popescu: my pr back then could benchpress a car.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You sold all of the cock cages
mircea_popescu: and im pretty definitely certain wrote no books
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mircea_popescu: this country has the world's stupidest mosquitoes.
mircea_popescu: by the way : chloroform can be trivially manufactured out of either acetone (nail polish remover) or ethanol through addition of chlorine bleach.
mircea_popescu: it is difficult to store, because if air gets to it they make phosgene and hcl ; however it can be trivially washed in a solution of baking soda, which removes the decomposition products safely.
mircea_popescu: lethal dose is 45 grams, which is just about 1 mol, or ~22 liters of pure, unconstricted gas.
mircea_popescu: mmm no. it's like 120g/mol. 1/3 of a mol, like 7 liters.
chalbersma: mp. I've been looking at the bit that donation transaction that generates the donation to forrestv's address. I've found one alternative p2pool implementation that had a different coinbase script but I'm not sure how to generate it. I'll have to look more into it tomorrow.
kdomanski: s/unconstricted/1 atm. pressure/
gribble: Error: Problem retrieving latest block data.
mircea_popescu: kdomanski well yeah.
mircea_popescu: someone has to explain to me why both coinbase (10 minute) and bitpay (15 minute) use this idiotic "expiring invoice" model.
mircea_popescu: what is it supposed to do ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Craetes room for them to be scammy fucks
mircea_popescu: well that yes
mircea_popescu: but i mean, bitbet works just fine without expiring addresses
BingoBoingo: Do they needs another reason?
mircea_popescu: yet there's a whole collection of reddit wailers derping about how bitbet is a scam and ty bitpay for having fixed your X error that cost me my business you're such a great company.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with people.
chalbersma: It gives the donation address a satoshi and any leftover satoshi's after dividing between the active shares to that address too.
chalbersma: I think.
mircea_popescu: chalbersma suppose you just re-write it so it gives that to the highest ranking address.
mircea_popescu: it's nice supporting foss authors and everything, but i doubt the guy can or would spend atc.
decimation: diametric: I agree with asciilifeform re: that FST-01 device for TRNG - there are just too many potential gotchas with a low-quality ADC, why bother when a much simpler circuit would suffice?
decimation: also if you are using an adc you are going to want careful signal separation and shielding like asciilifeform implied.
decimation: random pcb hanging off a usb shell does not qualify
decimation: all that being said it looks like a fun little toy
asciilifeform: decimation: scores of similar toys (usb plus cheap micro on a 'keychain') exist.
asciilifeform: why that particular one is being pushed 'for crypto!' - mystery.
chalbersma: mp I'll take a look at it but I'm not entirely sure how to do it. I'll have to read more into the procedure of generating that coinbase.
mircea_popescu: it is after all a learning exercise.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah if one is going to play with uC on a usb stick, might as well hack a usb storage card use the controller, because cheap
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> but i mean, bitbet works just fine without expiring addresses < cause bb has to do with fiat as much as well.. with fiat.
asciilifeform: decimation: cheap but i/o-poor.
decimation: but storage rich :)
kakobrekla: dunno why that needs to be pointed out.
asciilifeform: and afaik there's exactly one brand known to work for that experiment
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the implication being that what exactly ? your weight is their fiat.
mircea_popescu: what of it ?
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decimation: asciilifeform: I suspect nearly all brands have such controllers, the fun part is learning how to access backdoor
kakobrekla: well, its hard to pay for 90% of the car
chalbersma: Indeed it is a learning exercise.
asciilifeform: decimation: a good deal of the really dirt-cheapo chinese stuff has mask rom.
mircea_popescu: "here is the address to pay to. if you pay in the next 10 minutes, you need to pay this much. if you don't and the price moves in your favour expect change in your originating address ; if it moves against you expect a new invoice generated for the difference"
mircea_popescu: does not take any genius
mircea_popescu: then you can just send 1 even for a .75 invoice if you absolutely must have it filled, and take .2whatever in change when it happens
kakobrekla: too complicated for _people_, better to take the exchange risk for a few min
mircea_popescu: and supposedly these things hire engineers and have ceos and market value. psssssst
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asciilifeform: yes that one.
mircea_popescu: yeah right, too complicated, let's make it not work.
mircea_popescu: relying on a 10 minute interval when blocks are routinely a half hour, help me rwanda.
kakobrekla: also bitbet addresses expire after 3 days if unused or when bet is closed.
mircea_popescu: 3 days, you know what i'm saying ?
mircea_popescu: brothel1 : if you fail to spend in 10 minutes, there's a surcharge. brothel2 : if you fail to spend in 3 days, there's a... nevermind.
mircea_popescu: we just give you the girl.
kakobrekla: but they wait zero conf
mircea_popescu: even better o.O
mircea_popescu: basically they picked a solution that fell out of the fail tree and hit every branch down
kakobrekla: i dont see it as much problematic
mircea_popescu: and they BOTH did it, hurray for us-style "competition" ==== "industry best practices"
decimation: re: microsoft paying $2bn for mojang: I saw the news this morning and lol'ed. $3.2 bn for nest, $2bn for mojang; only $3 bn for high-power specialty manufacturer that has $1bn in revenue per year
kakobrekla: they sell coins on bitstamp
kakobrekla: when 0 conf hits the shit
kakobrekla: if its not confirmed
kakobrekla: buy coins back
mircea_popescu: not really my problem, they'll learn some lessons in fragility once anyone gives enough of a shit.
mircea_popescu: and they won't be able to get out of it by aggitating the "us legislation" dog, nobody cares.
mircea_popescu: this isn't fiatbankland.
asciilifeform: decimation: nest:
asciilifeform: !s merit wash
asciilifeform: decimation: don't 'confuse the warm with the soft.'
mircea_popescu: decimation that's not even the problem. all those together ? worth half a watsapp.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is that thing even
asciilifeform: decimation: very different purposes for the two kinds of purchase.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah agreed. Although to mojang's credit they apparently make $240 mn per year. Yeah I forgot whatsapp
asciilifeform: in one, they actually buy something vaguely useful. in another - launder usd.
asciilifeform: somebody's idiot yacht-sailing son needed an extra $B.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu 99% of online betting/shopping volume doesnt know what 'originating address' could possibly be.
kakobrekla: and this wont change
mircea_popescu: yes, it would change, if "industry best practices" were aimed at best
kakobrekla: not drastically
mircea_popescu: rather than at worst.
mircea_popescu: but no, why not try and microsoft all over bitcoin and then wonder why people hate you.
kakobrekla: which people
kakobrekla: not the one i mentioned before
mircea_popescu: "we're a bitcoin company that's trying to make bitcoin work as badly as possible, and fail that as closely approximative of fiat as possible. because reasons. please invest."
decimation: it would be nice if each dollar 'committed' in this spending were marked with the number of hands that held the dollar since being printed by the Fed
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i was using the term people in the limited sense of "people in bitcoin", not in the general sense of "mouthbreather kept on life support by usg"
kakobrekla: bb is not a sheep company. bitpay is a sheep company. there are more sheep around than non sheep. by count, sheep company is hated less.
mircea_popescu: look, your whole argument is based on the entirely insane proposition that "people could never know what an originating address is"
mircea_popescu: they managed to not delete their wallet, right ?
kakobrekla: only a few.
mircea_popescu: yes well.
kakobrekla: from a group that is already small as it is.
mircea_popescu: nonsense. there is absolutely no reason to cater to idiocy.
mircea_popescu: the argument that "people demand" is fallacious,.
mircea_popescu: people would still demand huts and saddles if anyone asked them.
mircea_popescu: there's no intrinsic reason to buy soap, nor any good reason not to eat the soap you bought, on the strength of this approach.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> nonsense. there is absolutely no reason to cater to idiocy. < broad statement. totally depends what ones goal is
mircea_popescu: the only reason "people demand" pop music and buzzfeed derpage is because that's what mtv and buzzfeed want to sell.
decimation: "my customers would have wanted a faster horse"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes. if one's goal is not to shit where one eats, then there's no incentive to cater to idiocy. if on the contrary, then on the contrary.
mircea_popescu: the bitpay/coinbase invoice model is basically doing everything from the perspective of "what's the most we could do so bitcoin never works"
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kakobrekla: yeah well those cars werent much better
mircea_popescu: decimation note the change of apple, from the ipad 1 "fuck you, it's not going to come in white" to the ipad 6 "we're doing what the customers think they want"
decimation: kakobrekla has a point, he did make shit cars
mircea_popescu: it narrowly maps the makeover from "a good place to invest" to "a good thing to short"
decimation: on the other hand, what has happened to apple is clearly the result of one man passing
mircea_popescu: not just one man. the man with something to say. there was never anything of any value or utility come from listening "to people" and "their needs"
mircea_popescu: the fuck do people know what their needs are, you might as well be the veterinarian that offers pet-managed pet care.
decimation: the third estate was represented by the bourgeois lawyers who were 'of the people'
assbot: Roger Martin: How 'The Talent' Turned Into Vampires - Forbes
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> the fuck do people know what their needs are, you might as well be the veterinarian that offers pet-managed pet care. << Time to go long on bacon as dogs move over to a diet of pork and more pork
decimation: the forbes 'article' (forbes < daily mail) is an example of a blind man feeling the bloated government elephant and declaring it to be a large plum
mircea_popescu: who's roger martin
decimation: no idea
nubbins`: james bond
mircea_popescu: i remember a time when newspapers were worth reading, they came in wet ink and you knew the names of the editors.
decimation: "These questions are being raised, not in some anti-capitalist rag from the extreme Left, but in the staid pro-business pages of the Harvard Business Review, in a seminal article by Roger Martin, the former dean of the Rotman School of Business and the academic director of the Martin Prosperity Institute: “The Rise and (Likely) Fall of the Talent Economy.”"
decimation: I skimmed that paragraph apparently
decimation: as if Harvard has anything to say about how actual (non-bezzle) business is run
mircea_popescu: wasn;t that lead by the very picturesque Richard Florida ?!
decimation: heh maybe, he's all about derping on homosexual urban planning
kakobrekla: also imho over 50% of bitcoin users do not even have access to their own private keys.
mircea_popescu: guy being well tied into theatlantic and all that.
mircea_popescu: you've stumbled on the very heart of the somethingawful forums over there.
kakobrekla: means no return payment possibru.
kakobrekla: unless you complicate it further, like bb does.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla acting as if this is a thing makes it a thing. not a good idea.
assbot: Richard Florida - Authors - The Atlantic
mircea_popescu: so, yes, quite as anticapitalist rag as it gets
asciilifeform: death of apple << obligatory crackpot rant >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132
assbot: Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake
decimation: "Moreover in a recent report from the Aspen Institute, which convened a cross-section of business thought leaders, including both executives and academics, the most important finding is that a majority of the thought leaders who participated in the study, particularly corporate executives, agreed that “the primary purpose of the corporation is to serve customers’ interests.” In effect, the best way to serve shareholders’
decimation: interests is to deliver value to customers."
kakobrekla: good or bad it takes the pain away for the _people_. and _people_ will always chose pleasure over pain.
mircea_popescu: no, it doesn't.
mircea_popescu: !up boolrap
kakobrekla: less brain is used, therefore it does.
TheNewDeal: hedge funds extract value. gotta be shitting me
asciilifeform: boolrap: damn it find your key
TheNewDeal: one of the few industries where your pay is truly related to your success
boolrap: well i know where it is
boolrap: its just too far away
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how is less brain used ?
asciilifeform: boolrap: buried it in the garden ?
boolrap: nope
boolrap: im at the place with real internet
mircea_popescu: how the fuck are "academics" thought leaders
mircea_popescu: what thefuck fantasy land is this.
kakobrekla: more brain is needed to complete a bb payment than to bpay payment. im to lazy to list all the details, but its there.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla not true.
mircea_popescu: with bb, you need the address, send the payment, are done.
mircea_popescu: with cb/bp you need the address, then you need to watch it make sure it went through
mircea_popescu: then you need to write support in the 50% of cases it did not go throught
mircea_popescu: 10x as much brainpower wasted.
kakobrekla: you need to select between 2 options. now you need to understand both and on top make a decision. if you opt for the second one, you also need to fetch the return address, since you dont understand what originating fucking address is.
decimation: asciilifeform: re: apple phone clones << still no qwerty-keyboard phone released recently as far as I know
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you can safely ignore all that
mircea_popescu: after your first payment fails for whatever reason, you get a full node client, pre 0.7 and run that.
mircea_popescu: takes you 20 minutes, helps the network, all further thinking is not needed.
kakobrekla: 20 min + 10 days
mircea_popescu: it's not the case anymore
mircea_popescu: try it sometime.
TheNewDeal: why does cb have to watch the address
TheNewDeal: just send and forget
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal tis in teh log
TheNewDeal: !s teh log
kakobrekla: i hear from people who i sent to use the thing
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i hear from people "using" coinbase.
mircea_popescu: so do you.
mircea_popescu: that spring water has complaints does not mean sprite doesn't have 500x that many complaints.
mircea_popescu: "Florida's theory asserts that metropolitan regions with high concentrations of technology workers, artists, musicians, lesbians and gay men, and a group he describes as "high bohemians", exhibit a higher level of economic development."
mircea_popescu: this guy is fucking epic.
mircea_popescu: "move to florida, people live longer there"
boolrap: so if there are more gays and lesbians the GDP will be huge?
mircea_popescu: it's not that the lesbians flock to the places where rich people live, because they need that trickle down effect to survive in their incredibly inefficient lifestyle.
decimation: he's communist who is a living mockery of communism
mircea_popescu: boolrap well, you could export all the pronz the chinese could ever want
mircea_popescu: in exchange for the dildos used in the making of.
boolrap: thats alot of dildos
mircea_popescu: "With the rise of Google, the gurus of Web 2.0, and the call from business leaders (often seen in publications such as Business 2.0) for a more creative, as well as skilled, workforce, Florida asserts that the contemporary relevance of his research is easy to see."
mircea_popescu: this guy is basically a 9gag meme.
decimation: mircea_popescu: there's a whole 'gentrification theory' based on gays moving to a neighborhood full of swarthy thugs and making it 'safe' for women and children
mircea_popescu: seriously, gurus of web2.0 ?
mircea_popescu: decimation looking forward to the special cosplay division of the nypd
mircea_popescu: "catching bad guys through wearing spiderman suits"
boolrap: yeah i heard that before
boolrap: how if you have a gay uncle you are more likely to do well and reproduce because its like having another mom around.
decimation: it's a classic case of cum hoc ergo propter hoc
mircea_popescu: without even any cum
mircea_popescu: boolrap more moms around are a benefit now ?!
boolrap: im not sure
mircea_popescu: i seriously never met anyone who regretted not having more mom.
mircea_popescu: as far as i know, 99% of it is "i wish i had a dad"
boolrap: haha
boolrap: i think ur dad is more likely to take you out and get u killed.
mircea_popescu: either for not having one at all, or for having had one that was too close to a mom
mircea_popescu: and as far as womenz are concerned, they generally wish they had no mom at all anyway.
boolrap: why
boolrap: i dont see this.
mircea_popescu: ask a teenager sometime.
boolrap: well
boolrap: they grow out of it
mircea_popescu: not the point now is it.
kakobrekla: there are also psychological effects - i wonder if we would see a diff if i added a fake 5 min timer at the last step of the bet address request.
kakobrekla: prolly too much noise.
mircea_popescu: even bob florida will eventually grow out of it, mostly by being dead.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla prolly, but meh. asshole move.
TheNewDeal: ;;lastblock
gribble: Error: "lastblock" is not a valid command.
TheNewDeal: ;;timesincelastblock
gribble: Error: "timesincelastblock" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: and it's broken
boolrap: so speaking of women
boolrap: what kind of cake
boolrap: are you eating tonight
gribble: Time since last block: 7 minutes and 17 seconds
decimation: lol Florida: "Washington’s economy has clearly prospered from federal spending; lobbying and government contracts are significant sources of its wealth. But its economy is not entirely or even predominantly parasitic. "
boolrap: mircea_popescu: what % of your womens time is spent for meals?
mircea_popescu: say about 45 minutes a day ?
mircea_popescu: mebbe an hour, make it round
boolrap: hrm
boolrap: do they all prepare meals together?
mircea_popescu: and mind you i have exactly no appliances here.
boolrap: what do you mean no appliances, you have to make a fire to cook your meals?
mircea_popescu: boolrap depends. but in general, unless you're making something like strudel it doesn't take that long to fix a meal.
mircea_popescu: boolrap well obviously, i mean, no kitchen robots and the like.
hanbot: kakobrekla how about people who need a timer don't get to bet
boolrap: no blenders?
hanbot: otherwise you'll end up sewing bitbet seatbelts and gluing do not eat labels and...
boolrap: how is the food over there?
mircea_popescu: pretty great.
boolrap: whats in season right now, its spring time soon ?
mircea_popescu: and no, no blenders, handmade mayo, etc.
boolrap: right, the way it should be
mircea_popescu: the winter rarely frosts, so really everything's in season.
boolrap: i see
boolrap: yeah i could not live there, i need winter time
boolrap: to be harsh
boolrap: not terribly harsh just, several blizzards every year would be great.
decimation: I wonder how many folks 'commute' between hemispheres to avoid winter
boolrap: i think if you do it 10 times you get transported to another world
mircea_popescu: decimation it's not really worth it. plenty of places where there's no winter. go to san jose, cr, problem solved.
mircea_popescu: commuting gets obnoxious.
decimation: true. travel wears a man down
kakobrekla: hanbot sure one can be like that. but dunno how can we be so naive, if you read logs you must be aware ascii listed countless superior tech solutions that ended up in the trash bin or forgotten.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between the babies dead of neglect in 1905 and the baby dieing of neglect right now.
mircea_popescu: this one audibly screams.
kakobrekla: dunno, 'right now' is totally biased.
assbot: Climatological Normals of San Jose
mircea_popescu: land of perpetual spring.
mircea_popescu: varies from 21.2 to 23.0
decimation: sounds like tyrannical sameness to me
mircea_popescu: minimums 17ish, maximums 28ish
mircea_popescu: well, no winter.
mircea_popescu: always spring.
mircea_popescu: it's quite lovely, especially if you feel like ruining spring for yourself.
mircea_popescu: by the principle "for every incredibly hot woman there's at least one guy totally sick of her ass"
decimation: perhaps the best climate is the most random one
boolrap: yeah i like something a bit more exciting
mircea_popescu: everyone vouches for whatever they were born in.
mircea_popescu: siberia or sahara, best is in the butt of the bestholder.
decimation: it would be interesting to analyze weather data with this in mind
decimation: yeah, I think the conditions of weather, population density, living arrangements, etc imprint themselves during childhood
mircea_popescu: something about tits.
decimation: !up boolrap
boolrap: tyty
mthreat: Top Gear is filming in Bariloche, Patagonia starting this week - http://autoblog.com.ar/2014/09/top-gear-argentina/
assbot: Primicia: Top Gear grabar un episodio en la Patagonia argentina | ARGENTINA AUTOBLOG
decimation: clarkson needs to get off his lazy ass and make more episodes
mircea_popescu: mthreat you going ?
kakobrekla: my closing point is, its not enough to have 'the best product'. history is full of such examples.
TheNewDeal: better to have apple
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla true, depends in whose hands it is.
mthreat: mircea_popescu: we're going to patagonia, but in October....
[]bot: Bet placed: 3.2969 BTC for No on "Bitcoin $817 or above before Christmas" http://bitbet.us/bet/1043/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.3978 BTC. Current weight: 99,898.
mircea_popescu: im sort-of thinking about it, but more like december
mircea_popescu: atm pleasantly cool here.
mthreat: ya. december and january are very hot here, and the "cortes de luz" (power outages) were a pain last year. Best time to get out in my opinion.
mircea_popescu: supposedly macri fixed everything
mircea_popescu: and he's going to run a budget without taxation or inflation too
mthreat: tempting to do a BitBet on that...
mthreat: "Dolarblue will reach 20 pesos by ...."
mircea_popescu: not a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: actually when is the election again ?
mthreat: 2015 right, for presidente
mthreat: not sure which month
assbot: BitBet - Argentine "Blue Dollar" buy price to close above 10 pesos on May 31 :: 0.16 B (62%) on Yes, 0.1 B (38%) on No | closed 1 year 3 months ago
mircea_popescu: oct, not decided yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00075147 = 1.8787 BTC [+]
assbot: Precio Historico
decimation: nubbins`: lol
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i had planned to forum post past weekend, came down with flu so didn't get the chance, fever is the worst
mircea_popescu: sucks man.
cazalla: i'll get back to it once i'm better, prob a few more days
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know i don't get this general conspiracy to stuff monkeys down kids' throats
mircea_popescu: there is little in nature more objectionable than a live monkey of any kind
mircea_popescu: but especially so a chimp.
nubbins`: sure, but the abstract idea of them is nice
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why they're not yet extinct, but it's right there on my list after mosquitoes.
nubbins`: look at how cute their tails are!
mircea_popescu: what's the abstract idea of them ?
nubbins`: a furry shape
mircea_popescu: so they did it for the cosplay ?
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1TXV5V8.txt )
nubbins`: hey now
mircea_popescu: woot btcalpha is not dead
mircea_popescu: ok this is pretty cool.
mike_c: worth the wait
mircea_popescu: no way the 15% is hottest at 3 btc past 3 days ?!
mike_c: it was until 5 minutes ago
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin $817 or above before Christmas :: 0.05 B (2%) on Yes, 3.37 B (98%) on No | closing in 3 months 4 days | weight: 99`876 (100`000 to 1)
mike_c: now it's second
mircea_popescu: o stale data ?
mike_c: no, that's the hottest on the analysis page. it just missed the publishing deadline.
TheNewDeal: thanks to this guy
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