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billymg: the 'wtf happened in 1971' site
billymg: my point being they seem to "get it"
billymg: asciilifeform: dunno why i keep sticking up for this twitter crowd but that has to be one of the most heavily shared links in those circles
billymg: asciilifeform: ah, yeah, the whole wtf happened in 1971
billymg: was an entertaining read when i was younger, if i reread it i suspect it would seem like more obvious communist propaganda
billymg: "A People's History of the United States"
billymg: (your link)
billymg: asciilifeform: any affiliation to the howard zinn book?
billymg: so if you find a duplex owned by nice old lady and she rents you the other half for $500/mo, is that also evil and she should be tarred and feathered like the rest of them?
billymg: asciilifeform: as for rent, i understand why paying $5k/mo to real estate portfolio company is just another form of tax. but if you're young, and don't have the money to buy a house (without credit or at all), what other option is there besides renting?
billymg: and used to be illegal maybe?
billymg: usury is considered lending at rates above x% iirc, where x is something like 2-3%
billymg: asciilifeform: re: rent and usury, are you referring only to monopoly rents and interest rates, or the concepts in general?
billymg: asciilifeform: right, or as signpost put it, "*chan fascism is a type of porn"
billymg: i mean what do you do?
billymg: asciilifeform: they object, and as loudly and effectively as they can (which isn't much)
billymg: fwiw a lot of these same people equally aware of blackrock buying up the suburbs and gates buying up farmland, etc.
billymg: and then ditto with the vaccines
billymg: i can see it
billymg: asciilifeform: that makes sense too, energy goes to mask evasion rather than tax evasion
billymg: asciilifeform: i think symbolic humiliations matter as well. the more psychologically you're beaten down the weaker you are to resist the actual attacks
billymg also doesn't need to be convinced of "keep your eyes on the goddamned money" -- whole reason behind his interest in btc in the first place
billymg: asciilifeform: yes but software biz really is the only place i know of that is like that
billymg: like pot and gay marriage
billymg: asciilifeform: interesting, i hadn't considered that. so maybe in a year or two they "the people have spoken, no more masks" to cheers of "we did it reddit"
billymg: asciilifeform: actually, the switching saltmines each time you get busted strategy costs them even more money -- but also more of your time/effort
billymg knows of only amazon and maybe netflix doing the annual stack rank cullings
billymg: asciilifeform: or larp as an unfireable class perhaps?
billymg: asciilifeform: yeah, everyone except the 10% busting their ass to keep the lights on
billymg: "Fortune companies and their international equivalents are worth billions and billions of dollars if not more. Getting hired at one of these places, doing as little work as you can get away with, and reinvesting their money in yourself and your family is an objective moral good."
billymg: re: the sv coders, what does asciilifeform think about something like this as an alternative to quitting?
billymg: the rest of this list is all good
billymg: so for me personally i just like the simplicity of no debt
billymg: and then there are the random market crashes, which i suspect get triggered when too many of the plebs have levered up
billymg: how that works in practice for someone who isn't properly usg-wotted i'm not sure
billymg: thimbronion: that makes sense in theory, because your debt will inflate to ~0 in real value while your btc goes to the moon
billymg: << only if you mean "what ferrari cost in 1990 in nominal terms". i had to look it up but it seems like they were going for around $125k back then, so when you multiply by inflation that puts you right back into present day rolls royce / bugatti prices (afaik those still aren't plasticars)
billymg was fortunate enough to avoid this, via random inheritance from the timely death of a relative
billymg: << ain't arrestable offense but more or less required for meaningful employment (unless your parents can pay your tuition)
billymg: in fact seemed to correctly identify enemy as anyone in the parasite class living off the efforts of others
billymg: << in linked piece at least i think this is somewhat unfair. i don't know how you got from author's "use cape (tranny-ism) against enemy (by gumming up his machine and wasting his resources)" to "gore the cape!"
billymg: the trial balloons
billymg: yeah, i've seen those headlines
billymg: thimbronion: i have no problems with the masks of course, just that i have to wear one
billymg: thimbronion: i've been trying to monitor that closely, does it seem like they might attempt to limit air travel to the vaccinated (how vaccinated? 2 shots? 3?) only?
billymg: and afaik there ain't a slip of paper that gets you out of wearing one of those in places where they're required
billymg: the masks are by far the most in your face, humiliating example imo. whenever there's footage of elites at some gathering they're always maskless while the waiters are muzzled
billymg: aside from some of the valid concerns there's the simple fact of "gotta stick yourself with this to participate in society". and no i don't think getting around it via forged documents or bribes to doctors really solves anything, it could be saline solution and i still wouldn't want it because it's a symbol of compliance/slavery. same with the masks
billymg: asciilifeform: i just grabbed one of the copies from here
billymg: and lastly, i don't see how "hey kid, wanna google soros' home address?" is any less of a honeypot than "hey kid, wanna join a militia?"
billymg: bubbles*
billymg: there is no "walk up to culprit", they live and travel within guarded bubble
billymg: << well, 1) if it does occur to someone to do this, they wouldn't mention it online as that would be "fedposting" and 2) you make it sound like these culprits are just hanging out at starbucks all day rather than their guarded fortresses
billymg: itsallsotiresome.jpg
billymg: "The ECB has run simulations on more than 1,600 eurozone banks to find out how they would cope with the consequences of climate change" "It found that the probability of default on bank loans would increase by 7% over the next 30 years in a 'hot house scenario' in which nothing is done to limit climate change." LOL
billymg: << just to clarify, i think it's a terrible strategy when you have limited resources, however, i think this *can* be a good strategy when you have ~infinite resources (the mass of normies). it's not about how to allocate punkman's time, but the NEET masses not doing anything else
billymg: or "one struggle"
billymg: it's what they themselves term "intersectionality"
billymg: "hey let's try gays" "that's not doing it anymore, how about blacks?" "not quite enough, how about tranny-black-lesbians overdosing on drugs?"
billymg: it's what the left has been doing (the lower rungs)
billymg: punkman: what i think i liked about it was how just how much he was throwing at the wall, he even describes the strategy as a meta strategy, just do anything and everything to see what works
billymg: punkman: right, also good
billymg: ah, yup
billymg: punkman: what means being the colonizer in this case?
billymg: again, this stuff isn't for the folx working on pest and trb, it's for the would-be soldiers among the masses
billymg: i also think perhaps you're underestimating just how many NEETs there are with nothing else to do and who hate the regime enough that they'd be willing method act as a tranny if it means doing some damage
billymg: punkman: i don't think there's a 100% aligned morality on the right re: sex. some larp as no-sex-till-marriage trads, others, like this guy, say go spread your seed in the brown qts
billymg: again which is about mobilizing and directing the herd
billymg: << the reason why the "decentralized" branding matters is not for asciilifeform or others who are able to evaluate whether something is truly decentralized or not or to what degree, it's so that this group has an easy to remember/repeat mantra of "decentralized good, centralized bad"
billymg: because after all, this is 100% what the regime does, mobilizes the normies
billymg: a way for even the retards to be able to say "i'm doing my part", and have it actually be effective
billymg: i think what BAP and this guy are going for is a way to mobilize the "normies" against the enemy
billymg: also re: parasites at top and bottom of org, if the plan is to subvert and do damage (or at least drain resources), much easier to larp as a tranny than larp as yacht club yale graduate
billymg: asciilifeform: no argument there
billymg: asciilifeform: re: the yale parasites, agree, they're parasites just the same
billymg: i've seen some suggest that this creates larger moat for the google-sized companies. they can afford to have 100 people who don't do anything but tweet about diversity all day, but if 5 man startup makes one bad hire it can be the death of them
billymg: but they also seem to have sufficient slack budget for hiring the various weirdos as, idk, political statment?
billymg: asciilifeform: it's also the actually competent (typically men, typically white, jewish, asian, and sometimes indian) that keep the trains running in the "silicon valley" orgs (both east and west coast)
billymg: asciilifeform: it's in the faceberg/google type campuses
billymg: d'oh, s/where dress/wear dress/ in above
billymg: and because of this they can, once in the organization, get by with less competence/effort than the cis hetero counterparts
billymg: asciilifeform: i can say from first hand experience that those further down the "weird scale" are much harder to fire
billymg: asciilifeform: but i didn't interpret his strategy to mean simply where dress and then collect gibs, but rather, "you're gonna have to go deep undercover" (i.e. real work will be involved -- must actually secure job, etc.)
billymg: asciilifeform: yeah, afaics recruiters still hitting up cis hetero white men
billymg: with* nothing else to do
billymg: only for those committed and nothing else to do
billymg: asciilifeform: ah, i interpreted more as a slow play. first plausibly become tranny, then acquire sinecure, then while there torment the bugmen, maybe get a few of them fired
billymg: i also thought the "larp as a tranny" opening was pretty funny and look forward to reading articles about court cases of individuals who tried this
billymg: so seems to understand that longterm any solution must be decentralized in nature so that parasites have less host surface area to grow in
billymg: << idk, he also explicitly states: "Any restoration that is centralized and can’t be appropriated for decentralization isn’t a restoration, it’s just nourishing and reinforcing a system that is wounded and bleeding out so it can feed on us better the next time they seize power again."
billymg: << i found it to be a delightfully schizo, wandering rant. i also enjoyed reading Bronze Age Mindset so perhaps i just like the stream of consciousness style
billymg: alright, i appreciate the info, will look more into SQLite and maybe do a test of it in the crawler. in the meantime might see about just adding some reconnect logic to these programs
billymg does still plan to upgrade his box with asciilifeform, just hasn't gotten around to it yet
billymg: << is this the reason for using postgres in the logotron?
billymg: ohhh ok
billymg: and no, the websites don't write to the DBs at all
billymg: punkman: currently they are two separate DBs in postgres, though not sure if you mean in a different sense
billymg: maybe i'll look into switching them, i only used postgres because it is what the logotron uses out of the box (and i tend to hear good things about postgres and wanted to try it out myself)
billymg: my setup is fairly small/simple. only two programs writing (logger and crawler) and two reading (their respective wwws)
billymg: punkman: easier on the resources?
billymg: asciilifeform: so potentially the crawler is at times tying up postgres such that it times out for the logger?
billymg: ahh
billymg: asciilifeform: the connection to postgres you mean? for the logger it's the same bot that comes bundled with the logotron
billymg: haven't looked at the postgres logs yet
billymg: asciilifeform: from psycopg2 just some "connection already closed" error
billymg: hmm, actually possibly the crawler still has its connection now
billymg: the damn thing keeps losing its postgres connection (same thing happens to my crawler too, and they both stop working at the same time until restarted)
billymg: bomolochus: lol "large" indeed
billymg: asciilifeform: someday...
billymg: asciilifeform: will check it out, the view-source, copy/paste was just a quick and dirty method
billymg: (with very very minor html adjustments only when absolutely necessary)
billymg: the rest is just different css applied
billymg: asciilifeform: ty, all i did was view-source on your www and copy/pasted the html you had generated
billymg: asciilifeform: i've started working on a sort of marketing page for pest at -- right now the homepage just links to a neatly formatted copy of the current draft spec, but next step is adding an "overview" button to the homepage that will lead to a powerpoint-esque summary with diagrams/visual aids
billymg: specificity issue, apologies for the oversight
billymg: asciilifeform: np
billymg: for the multiline select highlight
billymg: asciilifeform: i have the fix, it's a oneliner
billymg: asciilifeform: will fix, i didn't know multiline highlight was a feature even
billymg: asciilifeform: np. it felt like your site was gaslighting me, i kept wondering if perhaps at some point i had hit the back button and didn't remember
billymg: asciilifeform: this oughta do it
billymg: at least on this chromium version i'm currently using
billymg: asciilifeform: your www's select mechanism has a bug where it also strips off the post id upon deselect
billymg: punkman: ha, yeah, known bug
billymg: punkman: ah, apologies, i must have missed that in the discussion
billymg: punkman: in 4.1.1 Common Prologue for All Packets, step 9 mentions the ACK behavior. that's what led me to believe it would occur for both broadcast and direct messages
billymg: asciilifeform: question re: spec, in, when a message is rebroadcast up to the bounces limit, does this include the originator of the message (who also receives an ACK/receipt)? or would it only be rebroadcast to every WOT peer excluding the originator of the message?
billymg: interesting, i guess it works pretty well then for what it describes
billymg: ahh, hmm. i admit i wasn't familiar with that usage before
billymg: asciilifeform: hmm, in that example meaning "unlocked"?
billymg: "one sec, i need to key in your number"
billymg: aha, yes, but the use there is different
billymg: but 'key' didn't fit in the same way
billymg: or to pause something
billymg: i noticed that pattern also, but i thought it worked with 'peer' and 'pause' because those work as verbs, e.g. "to peer with someone" means to add them as a peer
billymg: and map closer to what happens underneath
billymg: in that case i think ADDKEY / DELKEY would be clearer
billymg: ohh, ok i see now what you meant by "which section it's in" (one for irc-compat, one unique to pest)
billymg: (that wording felt a bit awkward to me)
billymg: is key/unkey also part of irc spec?
billymg: so irctrons just map msg to privmsg
billymg: aha
billymg: asciilifeform: is there a reason behind using the command 'PRIVMSG' in pest instead of 'MSG'?
billymg: yup, understood
billymg: asciilifeform: i finished digesting your spec this morning, i might take a stab at doing some diagrams of how i visualize the moving parts
billymg: for me, order was: 1) discover btc, 2) discover logs, 3) realize ~everything to do with computing as is practiced in silicon valley is broken
billymg: yes, prb too
billymg: afaik same group happy to use keybase, protonmail, etc., sure, but imo they're the target demographic for vtrons and pestrc networks
billymg: asciilifeform: there is a large group on twitter that is downright religious about "must store own btc priv keys or else you're a cuck"
billymg: and to me at least, more rewarding than would be flipping NFTs on coinbase
billymg feels that fighting with linuxes, devising schemes to store secrets, developing networks with whom to trade, etc. is quite the scenic route in itself
billymg: i thought kaczynski was speaking of a real drive, one that holding one's own keys would satisfy more than gaming a number on a kyc casino
billymg: asciilifeform: certainly not where i assumed btc would be when first took seriously back in '14. i assumed the "hold your own keys so the lizards can't steal from you" would be obvious to all but the dumbest of redditards
billymg: asciilifeform: easier now because conditions in reich even worse?
billymg: perhaps there really is zero intelligent life that hasn't already wandered in here at some point, but i don't think that's the case and so i think having some type of working funnel could be beneficial
billymg: asciilifeform: i do think there's a part of me, given career background, that wants to be a "software populist" -- i'll admit that. but i do consciously challenge myself now on every thought i have of how to "win hearts and minds"
billymg: << it might not have been obvious but i didn't mean market to the bubble wrap crowd, but rather the thinking people who i assume are out there groping around in the dark for something, anything, that looks like a solution
billymg: << which is why it's crucial to not compromise anything for the normie (it sounds like we're all in agreement on this tbh)
billymg: "If you’re on the cloud, you’d better get off it and back onto your own metal as soon as possible. Putting your own data on other people’s machines and relying on the kindness of strangers was always a hideously stupid idea."
billymg: voxday is back up at, on what looks to be self-hosted wordpress. perhaps even reading the logs?
billymg: signpost: of course, would never suggest to compromise anything (ANYTHING) for the normie
billymg: the default is to start life as a normie, some can break out of it, some can't (or won't)
billymg: i used to be a normie
billymg: << i enjoyed this, pretty good as a normie marketing campaign for pest too imo
billymg: gentoo still hosts up-to-date musl stage 3 tarballs on their downloads page
billymg: i perhaps could've started this build as a musl build and that might've saved a lot of headache with some things
billymg: asciilifeform: so far everything but trb's rotor! well, with the help of signpost's pentacle for building vtools.
billymg: asciilifeform: yeah, this may have been more trouble than it was worth, but i'm already so close now. would've been easier to have just created a separate dulap partition and use that whenever i need to build some binaries
billymg: or rather, replace what's there with the signed, base64 encoded version of what i patch
billymg: does that sound like the right approach?
billymg: so i'm thinking i could patch m4 myself and include it in the deps dir (after base64 encoding and signing)
billymg: there are patches available for m4 to get around the >=glibc 2.28 problem, one was even included in my stock system's m4 ebuild
billymg: asciilifeform: yeah, i could build on my old laptop, but i'm trying to be able to build it here as well (since i plan to format and rebuild what's on the laptop after i'm done with this)
billymg: asciilifeform: yes, i think the rotor method makes sense for me
billymg: i read whaack's and jfw's posts on the non-rotor build method. i haven't tried it yet but given all the other "upgrades" my 2021 gentoo probably has i think it might be best to stick with the rotor method. i just need a way to get around the m4 bootstrapping
billymg: now i'm trying to get trb working and am running into this constraint
billymg: nodes_host_key DO UPDATE SET'
billymg: caught a bug in my crawler's genesis though, where two of the sql queries use a different index name than the one that gets defined when initializing from bitdash_schema.sql. i'll post a regrind of the genesis soon but if anyone runs into it the fix is to change the two instances of 'ON CONFLICT ON CONSTRAINT unique_host DO UPDATE SET' to 'ON CONFLICT ON CONSTRAINT
billymg: << this method works, was able to get the crawler running. i installed all the python libs i needed by specifying exact versions, e.g. `pip install -Iv psycopg2==2.8.6`, and at least with my small list of required deps (flask, psycopg2, and requests) all were available
billymg: bingoboingo: does jingling keys in front of the camera like parents do for babies also work? if no one's tried it yet you could start the trend
billymg: asciilifeform: i plan to write up a complete guide for this build, including the source files and tarballs where not the default, once this is all done (so far have working mp-wp, just need the crawler and logotron now)
billymg: for anyone curious, running `python2 "pip < 21.0"` with this worked. now to see if it'll install the py2 packages i'm looking for...
billymg: when war crime tribunals
billymg: but i assumed it could still be used to install python2 packages, for legacy support and whatnot
billymg: no, it is
billymg: despite it being an ebuild for python2.7
billymg: and it worked in that it installed a pip, but it installed a python3 pip
billymg: what i tried was changing this line in my 2.7 ebuild to be with instead of without
billymg: asciilifeform: not yet
billymg: if there's a way to manually build from source i haven't found it yet, closest thing i found was build python from source with '-ensurepip' flag
billymg: this pip thing is harder than i thought it would be too
billymg: oops
billymg: \quit
billymg: heh
billymg: asciilifeform: what's the downside of keeping fossilzed python2 around? like gnat 4.9.4 for example?
billymg: rather than try and keep a working python2 alive
billymg: ah, as in, these must be ported to ada or something?
billymg: asciilifeform: what do you mean by depythonization?
billymg: so now i'm just going to build pip 20 from source rather than trying to go through portage
billymg: so i'm thinking python-exec and eselect-python might have been a red herring and actual breakage is in portage
billymg: required*
billymg: and... if i added -python3_9 to USE emerge would throw an error saying python3_9 is requred
billymg: asciilifeform: despite the ebuild file clearly listing 2_7 as a compatible version
billymg: asciilifeform: interesting note there, even with that pip ebuild in hand, and PYTHON_TARGETS and PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET set to python2_7, emerge wouldn't include the flag
billymg: asciilifeform: i've given up at the moment. the effort was mostly so i could emerge pip-20.2.3, the last python2 compat build in portage
billymg: asciilifeform: yeah, i was hoping i could make some progress there, but still stuck
billymg: dev-lang/python-exec, downloaded and built from ebuilds prior to obvious python2 sabotage, and still no luck
billymg: asciilifeform: unrelated, i spent several hours fighting with my build of "modern" gentoo trying to get python2 to be the default. i went through the change logs for app-eselect/eselect-python and
billymg: asciilifeform: but why sell for e-usd when you could spend directly for literally everything you would otherwise buy with the e-usd? which seems to be the case now in el salvador, i'm assuming since it's legal tender you can pay your rent in it too
billymg: asciilifeform: right but lets you choose where the tax goes. not for billymg of course, for me i would just have to pay double tax (capital gains to us and import tax to orc gov). but i imagine there are some braver than i am who can be more flexible
billymg: asciilifeform: i'm not quite as cynical as you on this, eventually there will be (if there isn't already) one of those amazon mail forwarding importers, and they'll be taking btc too
billymg: asciilifeform: can also buy mcfood apparently
billymg: lol at dump on the day el salvador enacts 'legal tender' law
billymg: $ticker btc usd
billymg: cgra: ttyl
billymg: cgra: ^ essentially that list, though asciilifeform's watchglass has a configurable knob for 'peershots', my crawler has that set to 5, not sure what alf's watchglass is set to
billymg: !w peers
billymg: cgra: i'm personally not familiar with the trb code at all, so quite possible it was a mistake in labeling on my part
billymg: or at least recently connected (though this would also mean it's a misnomer to refer to them as 'connected peers' as that implies currently connected)
billymg: cgra: hrm, technically you might be right, i had always assumed before that meant the node was also connected to those peers
billymg: cgra: nothing special, just recording the response from the getaddr request to that node
billymg: signpost: overall really cool, and i'm happy now that i finally have a vtron on this box
billymg: not because i didn't want to but just because i forgot it was there until reading your notes on it again now
billymg: signpost: btw, did not use this, but rather mounted my primary drive inside the chroot, navigated to the files, and built with the standard e.g. `make vdiff`
billymg: however, when not chroot'd in, but only with the path to pentacle's gnat added to my PATH (so that e.g. `which gnatmake` works in the host env), i received some errors when trying to build the vtools binaries
billymg: so now i have a working vtron on the host box
billymg: signpost: i tried out your pentacle thing, with it i was able to chroot in and build the vtools binaries. this time all of them built as static binaries, without me even needing to modify the orginal gpr files to add static flags
billymg: signpost: grabbed your files, going to try it out in a bit
billymg: asciilifeform: gotcha, ok
billymg: asciilifeform: unavoidable? or you think it's a bug in my gpr file?
billymg: asciilifeform: ldd ksum, ldd vpatch -> "not a dynamic executable", ldd vdiff ->
billymg: grabbing it now
billymg: i haven't given up yet on this box, but may be my last attempt at trying to contort upstream into something usable
billymg: oh neat
billymg: signpost: what is pentacle again?
billymg: they built, but still don't work on my non-gnat box
billymg: the sections i added to add the -static flags
billymg: btw, asciilifeform: do these gpr files look right for vtools:
billymg: signpost: sure, still stuck