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verisimilitude: I postponed the publish of the following article, in which I list all of the ways the work disgusts me, asciilifeform. I should be able to publish it today.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-15 23:19:51 asciilifeform: << asciilifeform was similarly fascinated w/ subj in the 2000s; but imho it's a humlang equiv of scheme (in the sense comtemplated by naggum)
verisimilitude: I agree its worthless, and I saw better work to do, but finished it anyway.
verisimilitude: The constructed language hides too many complexities of real languages, to the point it could harm research, not help it.
vex: do you know swahili verisimilitude ?
vex: was once the language of thrade in eastern africa
vex: still prolly is, but less important now
vex: if you find yourself in dar el salaam, it might be handy
vex: all the old slave traders could talk it
vex: got japanese? every bc trade needs it
mats: you've piqued his interest
vex: the fuckin kraken
mats: say more about slaving
vex: I don';t know too much matty
vex: if you're into history, air bnb is your friend
vex: me, i prefer to get off the plane and find a tout to find me the cheapest hotel
vex: zanzibar was the spot for slaves
vex: you sould rock up speaking latin
vex: the sulatan's accountant couls see for miles
vex: raggedy cunt at the top of the rocks
vex: rolling thru the back of stone town. fat muzzie in a face off
vex: u wot cunt?
vex: can take a name liek Fok now?
vex: must be Norway
vex: nod to jonsykkel
jonsykkel: fokin el m8
vex: north ftw
mats: its a canto family name, if you look at his picture you can immediately tell he's at least half asian
asciilifeform recalls infamous episode where tesla 'picked up martians', which turned out to be marconi
signpost affixes tinfoil more tightlier.
signpost: it's the limited hangout of the hidden advanced physics research vehicles maaan
punkman: USG has also been making noise about "aliens", they got jealous
asciilifeform: 'we maybe found martians' seems to get run whenever 'need noose distraction, and the arrange-postals dept. is slow'
signpost has no doubt there exist other forms of life. and also, that to any capable of such travel, we'd be approx. algae.
asciilifeform: prolly worx over9000x better in cn, where '3 body' (their 'war of the worlds') is supposedly ~decade into hyperbestseller
asciilifeform read, was lulzy
signpost: dunno why there wouldn't be signals pooting out of someone's dyson sphere.
signpost: most amusing interpretation of the UAPs thing is imho that they exist, and are entirely autonomous.
asciilifeform: signals , but 1/dist^2 and c are a bitch
signpost: flew in at the first crack of a nuke, and will glass the planet at first artificial wiggle of gravity.
signpost: with all credit to clark of course.
asciilifeform: classic trope, 'you failed final exam!'
asciilifeform: ( in the cn version, erry serious civ is busy looking for others to zap, 'we them before they us' etc )
signpost: sounds like post-colonial trauma, lol.
asciilifeform: signpost: pretty explicitly. rec'd read.
signpost not afraid the chimps will have an uprising any time soon.
asciilifeform: complete with quislings ('friendship with aliens society' etc)
signpost: will do, already have three-body on the bookshelf enqueued
asciilifeform: meanwhile in other lulz from linked fishwrap.
asciilifeform: 'Johnson is seeking to represent a class of people who have lost money trading in Dogecoin since April 2019. He is asking for $86 billion in damages, plus triple damages of $172 billion, as well as an order blocking Musk and the companies from promoting Dogecoin, and declaring that Dogecoin trading constitutes gambling under US and New York law.'
signpost: lol!
signpost: well, the scandalous case of the massage didn't stick, so now this eh?
signpost: gets rid of uppity oligarch, and sprays pesticide on "crypto". win win.
asciilifeform not sold on the narrative where 'musk -- uppity'. aside from running usg's 'privatized' rocket ministry, d00d also primo contractor in the 'lift btc-usd in plane , to then drop outta it' project, and seems to work a++
asciilifeform: the 'doge' episode imho entirely fits this model, 'help taint btc by association with straight pyramid'
signpost: guy's certainly no enemy of printola.
signpost: see also: tesla
signpost: (most egregious pumping scheme, though obviously spacex also runs on printola)
asciilifeform: signpost: not simply 'no enemy', but earning his pay a++
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-11 14:33:08 asciilifeform: fwiw in asciilifeform's cosmography, a sublizard is a 'human' who directly executes orders from lizard, while exposed to 'humans' in daily context
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-10 21:39:06 asciilifeform: lizards -- connected directly to printer,brrr; sublizards -- can run outta dough, but pick up phone, get moar (for so long as playing ball)
asciilifeform: << a++ review imho ( asciilifeform read subj, still has on shelf )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-16 00:58:17 scoopbot: New article on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: A Review of ``Out of Their Minds'' by Dennis Shasha and Cathy Lazere
verisimilitude: I'm flattered. I wound up spending all of my writing time yesterday on it.
verisimilitude: Something I didn't mention is how, on page 234, the sole mention of UNIX calls it a great advance in computer science; I notice they didn't interview anyone who worked on UNIX, however; perhaps books in 1995 needed to mention UNIX to sell better.
asciilifeform: 'unix -- advance' is a 'religious' plank, where folx unwilling to even contemplate the opposite because 'will have to despair, what's left?'
asciilifeform meanwhile paid dc folx their yrly invoice, through jul '23
asciilifeform: pretty great not giving half a fuck what exch rate is.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-14 19:57:24 asciilifeform: recommends his strategy -- of conducting biz in btc strictly to fill a hodl -- to others, but not under illusion that it is generally applicable
adlai|text says hello
shinohai waves at adlai|text
adlai|text: my impression from skimming logs is that migration to pestnet is underway, despite the spec still officially being a moving target?
adlai|text has been procrastinating studying pestnet, mostly due to the impression that the spec was still a draft, and clients still only rough prototypes
shinohai: Both prototype clients work very well, props to awt and jonsykkel
billymg: ^ no major problems really, works well enough for daily use for months now
verisimilitude: I'm under the impression we'll move by the year's end.
asciilifeform: wb adlai|text
asciilifeform: adlai|text: there's some loose ends, most prominently this one, but asciilifeform doesn't expect major revisions of anyffin else
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-06 14:32:48 asciilifeform: algo ftr, if recall, for 'hard distinguish'. obv. imperfect.
asciilifeform: adlai|text: signpost is working on a lubyism commandset for 1337 w4r3z, but dun expect this'll change any existing mechanism
asciilifeform: adlai|text: prolly coupla other minor things may change
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-13 18:16:06 asciilifeform: phf: arguably there's an unnecessary barb in current protocol, where netchain is unused for direct msg sessions -- really oughta be treated as simply special case of broadcast in that sense, where netchain includes the 2 parties strictly
adlai|text: I suppose the best favor I could've done myself, a year ago, would've been selling enough coin to have a year of rent sitting in the fiat bank account.
asciilifeform: ( the order buffers thing prolly also needs massage & similification, but asciilifeform sadly not has spare cycles atm )
adlai|text is regrettably still living from payment to payment, despite not being anywhere near financial starvation
asciilifeform: adlai|text: 'ifonly bought in '09' etc lol
adlai|text: no, this is completely different.
asciilifeform: *simplification
asciilifeform: adlai|text: how's that
adlai|text: I suppose the difference is not visible from your perspective, since you have been pretty much continuously living off fiat salary.
asciilifeform: adlai|text: not ever lived off anyffin else in adult life
adlai|text: over the past ~decade, I've occasionally earned conventional fiat salary, and occasionally lived off family charity (c.f. earlier discussion of 'neet')
adlai|text: throughout this time, accumulated coin when possible; and now, actually owe rent in my own name, and must begin thinking about timings of selling coin, and what kind of fiat earning job is reasonable, to avoid selling coin.
asciilifeform: adlai|text: could program in saltmines like ~errybody else lol
asciilifeform: saltmines always taking fresh meat
adlai|text: fwiw, last time I met a doctor, he quite explicitly told me, "you worry too much, go to hospital, wait patiently, you will leave hospital with disability payments"
adlai|text does not want to take that kind of dope, however.
asciilifeform: ^ worx in usa for some folx ( see tlp's piece; can sometimes even get it 'while white', e.g. terry davis; but generally only suffices for 'cat food pension' )
adlai|text: also, saltmines pay ~10x as much as disability payment, and the way things work in Israel (and iiuc, most similar economies), the moment you so much as admit to searching for a job, some opposing lawyer begins cutting off your disability payments.
asciilifeform: in usa similar, supposedly they send inspectors, 'is mr x ~really~ invalid? or malingerer' etc
adlai|text: the napkin-level computations I've made suggest that disability payments are only sufficient for buying your own food, if you live with family, and do not contribute to rent.
asciilifeform only aware of subj thirdhand, so cannot comment indepth
adlai|text: well, there is some recognition for people being mentally invalid, although it often ends up in "catch-22" situations.
adlai|text: fortunately I do have marketable skills, and it's more a question of compromising on what kind of saltmine I consider reasonable.
asciilifeform: 'what kinda salt mine to rot in' is deeply individual matter
adlai|text refuses to apply for dozens of jobs automatically, the same way teenagers apply to dozens of colleges... imo, -EV game
asciilifeform: adlai|text: try the various lolstreet folx, show'em yer old bots etc
adlai|text does occasionally get approached by these, it's not difficult to circumvent the various spam filters
adlai|text: most recent time, talks died at "what do you mean, you don't videoconference at a moment's notice!?"
adlai|text: and, disappointingly often, "you had anything to do with cryptocurrency!? gtfo, terrorist"
asciilifeform not fwiw to date encountered anyone who gave a shit either way
adlai|text: Israel has strong pressure to always speak the latest buzzwords, even if you are clueless; so people tend to always have opinions one way or another.
adlai|text: it makes me seem old and useless, since I ramble and state ignorance, instead of rushing forwards like a headless chicken.
asciilifeform: adlai|text: rec to stick to folx who far as possible from bitcoin/shitcoin/etc
adlai|text: yeah, that stuff is almost as scrubbed as possible from my most recent resume.
adlai|text: supposedly I'm shooting myself in the foot by not including all those buzzwords... well, I probably wouldn't want the job offers that they'd bring!
asciilifeform doesn't presume to have actionable tips for folx who not programmed for 20y; prolly reqs very diff approach to saltmine-finding
asciilifeform must bbl
adlai|text: my resume still is 'programmer' resume; simply, has great big "began academic study, then went on indefinite vacation" section covering past few years.
adlai|text: it's probably a common situation, because of what the pandemic did to various folks... although I suppose lots of folks benefitted from being able to find remote jobs more easily.
verisimilitude: Hello, adlai|text.
signpost: imho the muslims got this one right. you're permitted to lie to your enemies under duress, including blasphemy.
signpost: stop sitting there twisting your nipples about whether you might have to say "redux" and get a jerb.
adlai|text: signpost: this time your word salad lost me.
verisimilitude: My word salad tastes better.
adlai|text: I suppose that if I were paying back a debt, then my job search would look completely different.
billymg: adlai|text: "redux" is a state management framework for "react", a frontend javashit framework for sending bloat to web clients
adlai|text did spend part of his career paying back a debt to a bank... quite a stupid situation, and long gone.
verisimilitude: Don't lie to the father-in-law, but don't feel bad about lying to the bank clerk.
adlai|text: I could have literally hung up the phone call to the bank instead of getting talked into taking a loan.
adlai|text: er, phone call *from* the bank
adlai|text: few months later, I want to pay back the loan, after having found a job, and earned more in salary than the loan amount... "oh, wait, what about all the interest you'll owe us in future months!"
adlai|text: sometimes, the varying attitudes towards honesty astonish me.
adlai|text: yet another reason to get reincarnated as some nonverbal vermin posthaste.
adlai|text: nobody judges the roach for dangling deliberately ambiguous antecedents, only for existing.
verisimilitude: There's no need to wait.
adlai|text: ehh, my attitudes on suicide have matured quite a bit over the years. there are things worth suffering over, even if I do consider life better lived with a planned end instead of "whatever kills me, kills me"
verisimilitude: I meant it's never too late to become vermin.
adlai|text: the wide view is quite important in such matters.
adlai|text: e.g., in my case, since I don't consider myself particularly beneficial to my society, then if I were to begin drawing a disability check, I'd see myself as a parasite.
adlai|text does not consider himself owed anything by the abstract 'society'; individuals, of course, always individual cases, can argue endlessly with individuals.
adlai|text: yet another thing various semitic religions get correct!
signpost: adlai|text: I was commenting on you saying you can't buzzword.
verisimilitude: He should give a presentation on the Internet iceberg.
asciilifeform: << 'freelance consultant' 'no, can't tell you where' problemsolved
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-16 19:54:01 adlai|text: my resume still is 'programmer' resume; simply, has great big "began academic study, then went on indefinite vacation" section covering past few years.
asciilifeform: ... if yer any good at theatrics, drop hints that it was @ local gestapo/abwehr etc
asciilifeform: bonus if you can minic the appropriate mannerisms
asciilifeform: thimbronion et al : yer latest test appears to have made pestnet uninhabitable until the decoding idiocy fixed -- asciilifeform's station dies immed. on getdata ( tried 3x nao )
asciilifeform upped to 9976, lessee
asciilifeform: adlai|text: had anuther thought re this -- gotta wonder if adlai|text was angling to work as 'quant' rather than lowly disposable servant ( 1 upside of being the latter -- nobody gives rat's arse that you were 'embroiled in bitcoinism' )
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-16 19:49:24 adlai|text: and, disappointingly often, "you had anything to do with cryptocurrency!? gtfo, terrorist"
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-14 14:15:41 phf: and that's also the kind of information that business shares with a programmer while standing at the cooler :p
asciilifeform: adlai|text: ... if so, expect it'll work approx as well as enlisting in army and asking to be commissioned straight off as colonel
asciilifeform: ( while, for bonus, e.g. coming from wrong side of iron curtain )
asciilifeform using ^ , worx a++ , ty thimbronion
signpost: lol, ty thimbronion!
thimbronion: << incidentally was not my test but when billymg quoted smilies into #pest. Initially only killed those directly connected to the logbot. Then when asciilifeform and billymg updated with the fix, they spread the contagion.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-16 22:06:44 asciilifeform: thimbronion et al : yer latest test appears to have made pestnet uninhabitable until the decoding idiocy fixed -- asciilifeform's station dies immed. on getdata ( tried 3x nao )
asciilifeform: thimbronion: precisely how one'd expect 'bomb' to propagate, neh
thimbronion had vague idea that uniturd was declase while implementing. But should have at least handled the possibility.
asciilifeform: uniturd in msg text is permitted by spec
asciilifeform: ( only in handles -- not )
thimbronion: asciilifeform: yep. Blatta was implemented before you defined the datatypes thus. Maybe there was something about it in the spec at that time but oh well fixed now.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: iirc added the explicit types section only in most recent ver
asciilifeform: ( but previously did say ' asciilifeform won't use a chat where can't cyrillic at least ' )
asciilifeform: at any rate a++, loox to be fixed
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