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adlai|text: holy crap, vexual and verisimilitude having a conversation
adlai|text: what's next!?
adlai|text: possibly an idiotic question, yet... asciilifeform: would you even expect idealised lispm hardware to handle bignums with processor instructions?
adlai|text: on one hand, this seems completely ridiculous to me; on the other hand, they are garbage, in the sense of being allocated data, that must get cleaned up.
verisimilitude: In at least one Lisp Machine model, the microcode handled BIGNUM allocation.
verisimilitude: I've conversed with vex beforehand.
verisimilitude: Hey, adlai|text, I finally animated my crest; use a newer graphical WWW browser to watch it.
adlai|text: it is beyond my pay grade to determine whether conversations between Vexual and verisimilitude are a milestone of intelligibility for one, tolerance of unintelligibility by the other... possibly both.
adlai|text: verisimilitude: I have no graphical browser handy this minute, yet will probably use one within the hour... thank you for the headsup.
verisimilitude: It's so pretty; I could watch it all day.
adlai|text: fwiw, isn't the proportion of people who have academic degrees so close to half, by now, that answering whether you have academic qualifications is almost minimally informative?
adlai|text: from the perspective of keeping your identity private.
adlai|text: you give off strong autodidact vibes, although I'd not be surprised if you glided through one or two university degrees; and I'd be quite surprised if you actually went through the "PhD assembly line".
verisimilitude: I'm entirely autodidactical with regards to programming.
adlai|text: plot twist: verisimilitude moonlights as a professor of gender studies at berkley.
adlai|text: ... here only to collect information on the neckbeards
adlai|text: in political news - Israel's government has, for what may be the first time in Israel's history, declared its own failure, rather than the failure being the result of a "no confidence" vote.
adlai|text: the most recent coalitions haven't even technically had one prime minister; there was some strange compromise where two would take turns, and in both cases, the governments failed before the switch. I find this more than a little amusing.
adlai|text: "jam tomorrow", applied to parliamentary politics.
verisimilitude: I just corrected a flaw in my Trivial_Trie library.
verisimilitude: I was reviewing it out of boredom and realized I didn't make an optimization I'd intended weeks ago; then I realized it was flawed.
verisimilitude: I wrote Find in terms of Sift, both with a Seen out parameter, but these have slightly different meanings.
verisimilitude: Sift may return Seen as True, but Find must set it to False or not based on the Trie node given by Sift.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-21 01:40:07 verisimilitude: I'll make it easier.
verisimilitude: I'm glad, crtdaydreams.
verisimilitude: Line animation requires using a dashed line as long as the entirety of the line, stupidly.
verisimilitude: A high-level means to tell the line to draw itself was too high-level, apparently.
verisimilitude: That's why it didn't get done for three and one third years.
crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-13#1106567 << I feel like this is deserving of an explaination even if nobodygivesashit. fwiw I don't owe him anything, not in theory. But so the story goes; mutha divorced father sometime in 2017/18, took us kids and >1/2 of everything despite having never worked or contributed ~anything~ of tangible worth. I can't fix the
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-13 21:03:08 signpost: yeah, but "I owe daddy" is worse.
crtdaydreams: fuckups of my parents, but the least I can do is spend some time with my father. I'm not going to bore with sob story bullshit, point is; I'm working on it.
crtdaydreams: verisimilitude: what did you use to make it?
crtdaydreams: inkscape?
crtdaydreams: woulda been easier to edit if it was a gif
verisimilitude: I wrote it by hand.
verisimilitude: I don't know how to use Inkscape, and couldn't bear the thought of my vector graphics being inexact, so I learned enough about SVG to write it manually.
crtdaydreams: with a hexeditor?
crtdaydreams is rather impressed
verisimilitude: I used Emacs; SVG is an XML format.
crtdaydreams: 10/3 years would be adequate though, I can understand putting off such a gruelling task
crtdaydreams: hm, on that note. XML, thoughts?
verisimilitude: I don't like it.
crtdaydreams: It's the basis for a chat protocol XMPP which I've been thinking of using as the GUI frontend for pest
verisimilitude: It permits errors which may be eliminated entirely.
verisimilitude: I prefer custom numerical formats.
crtdaydreams: ah, could you elaborate a bit on the former and latter
verisimilitude: To eliminate any possible confusion, the SVGs existed for years, and I've only just now animated it.
verisimilitude: Compare XML to S-expressions.
verisimilitude: <list>1 2 3</list>
verisimilitude: What if I see this: <list>1 2 3</lsit>
verisimilitude: The name doubling is the issue.
crtdaydreams: I can see how that's disabling, to the extent that the syntactic sugar wears off quickly when you want to play with more complex ideas, i.e. macros.
verisimilitude: This is a numerical format I've designed.
verisimilitude: I don't call them ``binary'', but ``numerical''.
crtdaydreams: verisimilitude: is the point of this format specifically for your hand-coding with the visual metaprogrammer?
verisimilitude: I chose not to mention that here, but, yes, how amusing.
verisimilitude: It's for the MMC, yes.
crtdaydreams is unfamiliar with the CHIP-8 platform
verisimilitude: It's the metadata of the machine code.
verisimilitude: It's fun.
crtdaydreams: I think though (as braindamaged as this belief may seem) that formatting should be tailored towards the storage medium.
crtdaydreams: ^^^ *and data that's being stored.
crtdaydreams: versimilitude: what emulator do you use? or have you written your own?
crtdaydreams has realised above comment re: formatting is irrelevant
verisimilitude: I don't play CHIP-8 games much.
crtdaydreams: looks to be quite fun, could be door for some demoscene stuff
verisimilitude: I'm now busy with other things.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-21#1107987 << wtf is/was 'sourcehut' ? what's the context for the wank?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-21 05:40:30 d4: oof https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/30/bleh.html
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-21 01:20:25 adlai|text: possibly an idiotic question, yet... asciilifeform: would you even expect idealised lispm hardware to handle bignums with processor instructions?
d4: asciilifeform: https://sourcehut.org/ is a platform for with free services. It's basically a GitHub alternative but with more services.
asciilifeform: d4: afaik there are over9000 of these. wat's the story behind author's claim 'When I complained this week about being DDoSed by a company with over a billion dollars in annual revenue, it was portrayed as righteous retribution and a sign of incompetence' etc. ?
asciilifeform recalls over9000 crawlers (~none of which even pretended to eat 'robots.txt') bringing phuctor to a crawl until asciilifeform grudgingly cracked a book and emplaced proper indices etc
phf: well sourcehut is kind of unique, is a product of lefty republic (except they won't call it republic, so it's a kind of lose anarcho collective), e.g. uxn people use sourcehut, 9front people, etc.
asciilifeform: a, sorta like fsf's old svn hoster
asciilifeform: (does it still exist..?)
asciilifeform astonished that there are still people who think they can persuade crawler operators not to 'ddos' their tape&chewinggum public www
phf: but specific issue is not particularly notable. the format of struggle sessions was integrated into american hippie communes under the general umbrela of radical transparency. progressive lefties adopted the format wholesale, leaning further into mental health side of things. so e.g. if the traditional approach to handling adversity might be "venting at a bar, talking to priest, stepping up", then lefty approach is to "venting to the
phf: commune, talking to the commisar, stepping down"
phf: happens on the regular, vague allegations, that are then propagated through media and other channels "a BAD thing happened to one of our WOMEN, i can't name names but everything is awful, and you should all feel bad"
asciilifeform: a, these
asciilifeform lolled re the substance of the gripe, rather than the format. tho the format also seemed odd. seems consistent w/ phf's model.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-17 14:38:05 asciilifeform: '<nihilazo> uxn is a largely queer and leftist project' << lol
asciilifeform recalls mp, shinohai , various folx stepping into these heathen pits and kickban within 15min
asciilifeform: 'yer not nice!! this is a place for nice!! folx!'
shinohai: And yet mp couldn't fathom why "that reddit experiment" went nowhere - merely posting a trilema link resulted in instant poast removal.
asciilifeform: 'The Go team holds that this service is not a crawler, and thus they do not obey robots.txt — if they did, I could use it to configure a more reasonable “Crawl-Delay” to control the pace of their crawling...' << even 9y ago when 1st phuctor, were already over9000 bots which dun give a flying fuck re robots.txt and if they can find yer www, will suckle on it, all day long, at line rate. and e.g. ip bw rationing d
asciilifeform: unwork, they have over9000 ip each. so no, can't host yer public www on a dialup, 'ip over dead goat', etc. fact.
asciilifeform: (if it's a 100% static www -- ~maybe~. if actually costs some palpable cpu to serve a page -- fughetit)
asciilifeform: incidentally, recall how 1 of the pheatures init. touted for 'git' was 'any box can be a server' ?
asciilifeform: 'mysteriously' not happened in practice afaik anywhere
asciilifeform: afaik errywhere where used, is used in precisely same style as cvs, svn, etc -- central host, 'star topology' of clients
asciilifeform: shinohai: '...businesses would buy API subscriptions, so we'd be able to cover the disk costs, the development costs, the cost of trying to figure our how to fit 10 exabytes into Postgres (not very trivial I think), etc.' << lol!
shinohai: But it's the only blokechain that scales!
shinohai: billymg an exciting career working as database liaison between Blockchair and BSV awaits you!
billymg: imagine the man-hours spent working on scam chains
billymg: horrifying
asciilifeform: billymg: what hours? iirc normally they simply take prb and change coupla constants
asciilifeform: ( in egregious cases, e.g. ethertardium, moar complicated, and they hire 'indians', but normally afaik above )
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-21#1108012 I didn't post that here at the time, but it really put this into perspective for me.
verisimilitude: I already knew Google was wasteful beyond belief, but that was such trivial and easily-corrected waste; a basic example still does wonders.
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-06-21#1108031 I don't get much traffic, only a few thousand requests per day, but serving a completely static website with no TLS does mean I never have any such issues, yes.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-06-21 11:19:24 asciilifeform: (if it's a 100% static www -- ~maybe~. if actually costs some palpable cpu to serve a page -- fughetit)
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: well, remember that they're externalizing the waste to ~other~. ( they've all the bw they could possibly use, 'too cheap to meter' etc)
verisimilitude: I never felt the ``Hacker News Hug of Death'' those stupid assholes mention.
asciilifeform: helps, aha, if static, no photos, no warez, no isos, no user-submittable forms , as on verisimilitude's www
verisimilitude: So, they probably spend a penny per terabyte, or even get paid to use more bandwidth, like Rockefeller.
asciilifeform: the latter
asciilifeform: ('peering' orgs dun pay for bw in the usual sense)
verisimilitude: I have one user-submittable form now.
verisimilitude: It's still static, but it looks like more.
verisimilitude: But yes, a request of my website is measured in tens of kibibytes at the most, usually.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: at a certain point, cpu & tcp state liquishit table exhaustion; but this takes moar 'popularity' than 'redditus wave' (tho not rate in even small-time organized ddos)
asciilifeform: *not rare
asciilifeform at one time was serving up ~tb/day of e.g. this page; but did include bitmaps
verisimilitude: That one page could have more accesses than my website.
verisimilitude: How many times has it been accessed, one hundred thousand, one million?
asciilifeform doesn't know precisely, could never be arsed to keep running stats
verisimilitude: Well, how large is one request to it, in total?
asciilifeform: curl http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 | wc -c --> ~160kB w/out the pics
verisimilitude: Well those matter.
asciilifeform: ( with -- nfi how to calculate quickly )
verisimilitude: I suppose I'll use my WWW browsers profiling tool.
asciilifeform: pics weigh ~2.5mb summed.
asciilifeform: so that + above.
verisimilitude: I'm seeing 1.69 megabytes.
verisimilitude: Remember the compression.
asciilifeform: at any rate, not imho very interesting, what diff does it make how many redditus 'read' a page.
verisimilitude: I think the Redditors call this ``a heckin chonker''.
asciilifeform: ( and how many perl bots crawl )
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: how much, outta curiosity, weighs e.g. google's front pg ?
asciilifeform: per that browser tool
verisimilitude: So, roughly five hundred thousand requests would be a terabyte.
verisimilitude: I'll disable my proxy and check, asciilifeform.
verisimilitude: I'm told 11.45 kilobytes, but I've JavaScript disabled.
asciilifeform: iirc most of it is js liquishit
verisimilitude: I was going to sarcastically remark ``If only my WWW browser had a tool to check these things.'' before recalling that it does. It's in the F12 menu, asciilifeform.
verisimilitude: I use Firefox, note.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: old noose
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-08 15:42:32 asciilifeform: anyways the linked items ('copilot', 'tabnine') imho logical products of the ongoing deskilling of the profession.
verisimilitude: Yes, old noose, new rafter.
asciilifeform: !q uptime
dulapbot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 370d 17h 53m
verisimilitude: Congratulations on the uptime.
asciilifeform tries to recall whether any fleanode box at any pt had yr+ up
asciilifeform: ... if did, wasn't any asciilifeform ever sat on
asciilifeform: iirc they regularly went down for 'upgrades' ( and moar often simply fell down w/out any claimed explanation )
verisimilitude: It reminds me of the subhumans who claim a large organization must have better uptime than something self-hosted.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: see also e.g.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2017-02-18 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
verisimilitude: It amused me, to read that something did have better uptime than Google, Amazon, and all of the rest: Bitcoin.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: or any other p2p net
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-18 18:44:59 asciilifeform: ( and observe that we didn't need a million $ cluster or whateverthefuck googletardation, for it )
asciilifeform: ... a pestronic www hosting hypothetically will give you coupla 100 (or whatever yer l3+) mirrors for phree.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-28 19:37:11 asciilifeform: signpost: somewhat apropos, thought of your lubytron in context of possible pheature: pestron takes a local dir and 'hosts'. peers (and optionally broader pestnet members, e.g. l2/l3) can visit e.g. http://localhost:8000/signpost and see his 'www'.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-04-01 09:52:27 asciilifeform: what's needed is http over pest, where can fetch e.g. http://localhost:1337/asciilifeform/loper-os.org and it'll work for so long as asciilifeform is in yer l_n (for some n)
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-03-03 16:32:24 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-03#1082219 << any solution that doesn't resolve to 'EVERY reader also mirrors' in fact serves enemy by drawing attention away from actual solutions.
asciilifeform: ( 1ce sumbody has an l3+ , that is )
asciilifeform: granted, need static www or equiv.
asciilifeform: 1 particular box w/ yr+ uptime aint any kinda achievement ( all that's req'd is NOT to use junk irons, but rather proper , with ecc , in a reasonable dc ) ; but with actual p2p net , 'uptime' no longer interesting concept at all
verisimilitude: We have to jerk off over something.
mats: happy anniversary, did someone get a cake?
asciilifeform: mats: lol, no cakes
phf: some russian larper music from the 90s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGiGcRaimU8
asciilifeform: unrelated 'fun' discovery (possib. of interest to phf) : 'usb 3.0 <-> fiber' systems apparently dunwork with usb 2.0/1.0 (mouse/kbd) , not even via hubs
asciilifeform: ( apparently 3.0 is wholly separate protocol, and over entirely diff pins in connector ( asciilifeform knew this ) but! 3.0's encoding actually simpler , actually can go over '1-bit' link, hence most extant fibertrons implement ~solely~ it )
phf: asciilifeform: that's because computers are a judeo-masonic abomination. disregard technology, embrace trvdition
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