(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the pigeon aiming device was skinner's. it was never built, and i'm quite convinced that it was a derisive joke at the expense of the idiot brass.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it aint any odder than e.g. iron neural network accelerators (sold 'on erry street corner' for some yrs nao)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: most important application of asymmetric crypto in fact aint encryption, but signing.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: their experience aint 'in computing'.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: understand, these pieces aint works of children, or of ignoramuses. the perps have years of training, they know 100% what they're doing.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: archaetypical nsa 'useful idiot' (even links to infamous shills)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the idea is at least 2k y.o.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: no relation at all
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the history is contested, but concept 100% applies. you can't found a religion on '1+1==2' or 'fire is hot'. but on idiocies -- can, makes simple to distinguish 'believers'. in current-day game-theoretical parlance, 'expensive signal'.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'i believe because it is absurd'. attributed to the early christians.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: familiar w/ 'credo quia absurdum' ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: good # of'em want to 'look' 'clever' to 'make tenure' etc
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'insurance' is very much the wrong word, it aint as if anyone ponied up millions to compensate 'heartbleed' victims
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: fwiw i'd actually rather get 0 comments, than mp-style 'ohai, i luvved yer www, ENLARGE PENIS NOW' etc
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 14:52:25 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: loper-os does ~1G/day on avg. (nfi how many exactly 'hits', difficult to count) . was speaking of the log www however.
(asciilifeform) shinohai: no idea verisimilitude ... I tend not to rice out my vim setup. Only plugins I even have are nerdtree and slimv (for slime support) .... pretty boring.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: from that pov, i dislike when something other than human-readable coad is exposed to the programmer. but e.g. single-instr. cpu is interesting from entirely diff. pov.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: horizontal microcode doesn't trigger yer allergy, tho? wainot?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: generally 'fits in head' machine archs.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: this link in particular reminded me of your experiments.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: outta curiosity, what's moar compact than shitting output of macroexpand to file ?
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: It's good when one doesn't care; I've written about it here.
(asciilifeform) adlai: verisimilitude: you may find that your prose is slightly less unpalatable if you replace the purely racial stereotypes with socioeconomic ones, although the fanbase for my website is quite scant, so my advice is worth what you paid [sic] for it.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 21:57:59 verisimilitude: Back to programming, it's poor how Common Lisp, despite being image-based, doesn't have strong facilities for generating wholesale programs, in the sense of a program which would output a template to file, as a human would. Sure, I could fiddle with the *PRINT- values, but this is comparatively weak. It's so weak, I've found an alternative solution which avoids needing to do this.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: familiar with phrase 'controlled chaos'(tm) ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'soros & co'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the foreign power there was called soros.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: yugo is archaetypical example of 'buncha tribes ready to fight to the death, stuck in accidental border'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i rec to review subj.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: which thought ? that usa is a kind of yugoslavia ? he has at least 3 books on subj.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 16:28:59 verisimilitude: Negroes keep rioting, but the FBI is concerned about ``white supremacists''.
(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude sounds like you've never been to the poor parts of the south
(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude: you have an incomplete definition of cult
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: imho all thinking people since at least the pythagoreans, have been.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'none of the market offerings in cults currently satisfy' is entirely valid position to hold
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i dun see how these contradict.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: my understanding is that 'heaven gates' used to be moar popular back when avg moron ~had~ some 'worldly goods' to sign over to operator
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: don'tbother
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: elaborate?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it's a ~complete intellectual desert, since '09 or so, dunbother
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: iirc linking to asciilifeform's www on hn will actually getcha 'hellbanned'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: once in a blue moon i leave a link in (strictly on-subj) comments on other folxs' sites.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: loper-os does ~1G/day on avg. (nfi how many exactly 'hits', difficult to count) . was speaking of the log www however.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in sovok, typical motives for denunciation was to get accused's a) job b) flat c) wife
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: imho was moar from overabundance of hands on their end, than from asciilifeform's importance
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: asciilifeform at one pt had own, personal nsa provocateur assigned. since then, pretty quick on the trigger re 'unknown fellas w/ bright ideas'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: i dun expect verisimilitude to prioritize reading it (or to read it at all), it's a rather heavy item to eat 'out of because interesting'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: ffa wasn't written 'to be interesting to read', but for concrete battlefield applications (which i know trinque to be interested in)
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-17 23:51:15 verisimilitude: I've never met this nubs before, so I've no respect for him at all.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-15 18:08:50 verisimilitude: To switch topics, I finished reading that Connection Machine paper earlier, and it was interesting to learn how it was actually a memory, relying on a separate machine to ask it questions. It's very different from the GA144, akin to the difference between Forth and Lisp: Cells can address cells arbitrarily far away, request free cells for allocation, links are bidirectional, no cell is wasted as wire, and each cell is even simpler than
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: if anything, it is rather the ~vn~ machine that just barely is able to interactively respond to stimuli in realtime.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-15 18:10:09 verisimilitude: It's probably bias, but I find it difficult to imagine how a non-von Neumann architecture would handle well interactively responding to the user.
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(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: there were comical (to us, not to participants) incidents at various times in china when a 're-examination' of eunuchs was triggered, and some 1 in 3 typically req'd re-chopping (because dodged the knife 1st time). in practice was a kind of decimation.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: I agree. Eunuchs are naturally-occurring; I remark in my reflection on the last decade to the effect of those I find responsible.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: eunuchs were comparatively mildly crippled, vs. today's state of the art.
(asciilifeform) shinohai: verisimilitude: Not surprising, since Google is nearly 100% tranny engineered.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: this has been going on, as described, for some yrs
(asciilifeform) PeterL: hello verisimilitude!
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-06 22:30:48 verisimilitude: Does anyone here have children; that would probably be horrifying.
(asciilifeform) trinque: upstack, adlai, verisimilitude is saying the protocols oughtn't be distinct, and I agree
(asciilifeform) adlai: I honestly, without any intent to mock, say that verisimilitude has an admirably mechanical style of communication that does seem to work equally well in either medium.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-16 21:34:36 verisimilitude: I'm of the opinion there should be no difference between IRC, email, etc. The only difference should be in how they're commonly used, but there's no reason not historical to have separate protocols.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: yw.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: sov culture had 0 resemblance to the things associated w/ liberasts in current-day 'civilized' world.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: fwiw buggery was a criminal offense in sovok. like in old england.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-04 14:25:10 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in other rec'd reading. (d. hillis. 'the connection machine'.)
(asciilifeform) adlai: verisimilitude: you used words, I asked you what they meant.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: they won't, you gotta use the bracket notation if you want to linkify'em
(asciilifeform) adlai: thus my frustration with much of Internet jargon, including even those hallowed "jargon file" clapfaps: maybe verisimilitude named random conspiratard buzzwords to make a handwavy reference to "all of political pseudoscience" [not that academic political science is much better!], yet...
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-09 06:22:59 adlai: wonders, at this point, what each of these two disbeliefs means to verisimilitude, at this point; if we're on to disambiguation!
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it only has 'incentive to work' if a) there's competition in the market b) competitors have, potentially, 'moar working' softs
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: there's ~0 incentive to make ~any of it work, in any but the most superficial sense of the word.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'lemon market'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: crufty items like embedded cdrom eaters tend to be buggy as hell. iirc there was a 0day for... mercedes, published at one pt, that used cd drive.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: pretty great accidental 'fuzzing'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: what was the story?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 99+++% of what currently passes itself off as 'software industry' simply ~would not exist~ if the machines were to ~actually work~, i.e. not operated simply as instruments of busywork, 'menial tasks by mouse instead of by lever'.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: lol, what 'results' ?! what do most of these orgs produce, that anyone other than similar bands of grifters actually needs or wants ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in what sense 'replaced' ?
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-04 11:50:41 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i'll add what the schoolbook ~won't~ tell you : the shared-resource bottleneck is ~not~ the greatest catastrophe of the vn model of computation. rather, it is the shit-sandwich of broken abstractions based on the interrupt.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 99+% of population in fact sees 0 problem with any of the mentioned thing.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: only if refresh 150+hz (from asciilifeform's pov, that is)
(asciilifeform) thimbronion: verisimilitude: at the time written, vastly more true.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-11-26 01:51:48 verisimilitude: When I first heard the song that goes ``I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free.'', I'd thought it was an obvious parody.
(asciilifeform) shinohai: verisimilitude (or any other lispers) have you every read or used Shinmera's lichat protocol ?
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-06 21:50:52 verisimilitude: I'm having issues with it right now; what's the true URL, shinohai?
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-06 21:43:18 verisimilitude: I don't buy into the ``god emperor'' or ``4D chess'' nonsense, know.
(asciilifeform) adlai wonders, at this point, what each of these two disbeliefs means to verisimilitude, at this point; if we're on to disambiguation!
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-04 15:18:53 verisimilitude: ``We switched from MongoDB to thousands of Chinese children forced to memorize numbers.''
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-06 18:40:53 verisimilitude: Oh, welcome back, adlai.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: when the interface is e.g. a front panel ignition key w / 3 positions -- gotta be selective re what's connected to it.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-07 22:26:36 verisimilitude: If every entry addition goes through function F, and F guarantees this, but F is redefined, now it's gone again.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: the spittoon, verisimilitude, 'is all in one strand.' sadly concerns not merely programmings.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: [www.loper-os.org/pub/the_spittoon.txt][the spittoon], verisimilitude, 'is all in one strand.' sadly concerns not merely programmings.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i regret to inform -- there are no prizes, however
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: where are the 'smart games' ? w/ 'smart prizes' ? where to queue up ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it aint even that 'sumthing wrong w/ the article' per se. simply, yarvin has decade+ career of 'snark', pseudoerudite 'historical'-flavoured pieces, and 'no one can ever so much as scratch the regime, don't even think' while carefully pushing his readers away from bitcoin, wot, any and all even mildly promising, even in principle, countermeasures to re
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: aha
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: there wasn't 'similar' communist agitprop. sovok didn't peddle 'follow dream!1111' flavour of syrup. instead 'die with honour for motherland'.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: he quotes from asciilifeform's www. but never commented.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i did time in various quasi-academic shitholes, was cured yrs ago, of this
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: if it's an invalid pension, or inheritance, or similar (and indeed they're similar), wait till bread is 500$/kg
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: don't read the birdcage liners, verisimilitude . there aint 'dream jerb'.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: eh these 'aspires' are simply reich agitprop.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i've not met 'luvv mah jerb!11' people except as serious psychiatric cases of delusion
(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude: please accept this very long string of numbers as a gift, 1,000,000,000,000,000,000
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: problem is that 1e10 other folx also want
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: seems like verisimilitude , like e.g. asciilifeform and 1e9 other folx, has 'something' he would like to do.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: you dun seem to be doing 'nothing' tho
(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude: how good do you look with a wig on?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 1 important diff: jobs pay
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: this re which ?
(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude: some grew tired of what was already done and fell apart
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: noted.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: ben_vulpes last seen in #asciilifeform on 2020-07-03 00:07:14: one last thing. in re http://verisimilitudes.net/2018-06-06 verisimilitude i'm not going to be bound by any fixed set of words you propose i limit myself to
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: if it aint a seekrit, what do you live off ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: this worx great until doesn't
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: ditto
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-06 21:37:03 verisimilitude: I agree; I particularly enjoyed seeing the cowering politicians.
(asciilifeform) shinohai: verisimilitude: https://twitter.com/lporiginalg/status/1347007098396135425
(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude: if nothing else, sheer cowardice may hold the states together for quite some time.
(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude: I imagine so, though I suspect any of the official sources of m1, m2, etc
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-04 14:26:57 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: there's a detailed version, in dead tree (presently not aware of a warez scan)
(asciilifeform) snsabot: ben_vulpes last seen in #asciilifeform on 2020-07-03 00:07:14: one last thing. in re http://verisimilitudes.net/2018-06-06 verisimilitude i'm not going to be bound by any fixed set of words you propose i limit myself to
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-04 11:50:41 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i'll add what the schoolbook ~won't~ tell you : the shared-resource bottleneck is ~not~ the greatest catastrophe of the vn model of computation. rather, it is the shit-sandwich of broken abstractions based on the interrupt.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: organizations divide strictly into the inconsequential and the coopted.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the fpga in fg was used strictly 'as modem'. see also.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: you'll still need an analogue source of trngism.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: moar than enuff
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: get the 'icestick' demo board, is self-contained (~20 $ u.s)
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-04 16:46:10 verisimilitude: So, the current system of ``Just addresses routed honestly.'' is actually a fiction.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the only 1 that's been adequately reversed is ice40. however it is quite small.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: depends what yer doing
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-04 12:37:30 verisimilitude: On the note of ``miracles'', I prefer to think that computers can amplify the intelligent, but it's less often discussed how they can also amplify the idiots, and there are more idiots.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i rec to get familiar w/ basics of fpgaism. simply so can see what example looks like of 'fabric' where almost nothing about e.g. memory is apriori forced on the designer (you can pick what length/width of memory to use in a particular 'island')
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: erry programmer knows 'over 9000' such jokes. but when you point out the one where he himself is protagonist, usually stops laughing.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i remember the greenarrays machine,yes
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: and, simply by definition, if you can point to a distinct cpu and to a memory, it's a vn machine. that's what the formalism consists of.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: not even linear. because they contend for shared resources.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: what different from what ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i stopped reading at :
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: there's a detailed version, in dead tree (presently not aware of a warez scan)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in other rec'd reading. (d. hillis. 'the connection machine'.)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: cellular structure solves all kinds of idiocies from conventional comp design, yes.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: familiar w/ 'firing squad problem' ?
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-04 12:26:31 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: would be great, except that, barring miracles, 0 of these academic curios will be fabbed in anyffin like a modern process.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: there's a great many things one ~could~ do. incl. iron cell-automata. but, sadly, it's a 'you and what army' kind of thing.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: would be great, except that, barring miracles, 0 of these academic curios will be fabbed in anyffin like a modern process.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it aint.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: do you know this story ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: iirc r. feynman's example. he gave a conference table of 'computer scientists' a bundle of sticks, of various lengths, to sort by length. asked about the complexity class of the problem.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: vonneumannism is not simply a set of broken mechanisms, but of broken ~thought patterns~. there are certain problems that can't even be reasoned about effectively for so long as operating with concepts where dichotomy b/w 'cpu' and 'memory'.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: entirely particular to vn model. observe again, e.g. fg has no notion of interrupt, because has no notion of instruction flow.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i'll add what the schoolbook ~won't~ tell you : the shared-resource bottleneck is ~not~ the greatest catastrophe of the vn model of computation. rather, it is the shit-sandwich of broken abstractions based on the interrupt.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-03 22:16:58 verisimilitude: That is, be there anything much special about that class of programs which, after initialization, have all mutable state live in registers and whatnot?
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-03 22:16:22 verisimilitude: Say, asciilifeform, the von Neumann bottleneck is caused by the one access for data and code; it doesn't feel meaningfully different to write programs which don't use memory for anything beyond code, however.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: then you can safely ignore the subj.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: typically the lower the brightness setting, the more eye torture from pwm
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: if you don't notice flicker on the rubbish-bin 'dell' -- prolly no reason to
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: my advice, is to carefully forget errything i said, and try not to even see modern displays. it's a kind of 'luxury ratchet', once you've had 200+ln of text visible at 1nce, will be very difficult to go back, will be like using outdoor latrine
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: serious displays normally use 'displayport' cabling, rather than hdmi (if you want 60hz+ refresh, which you do, or will see 'snail trail' on cursor)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: atm i have 1 27in 3840x2160 (horiz. '4k'); 2 1200x1900 (90 degree); 1 1440x2560 (90 deg.); and 1 1600x1200 (horiz.) .
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: afaik there are no 8k monitor (not tv, these aint interchangeable , tv are sold w/ non-rectangular pixels and unsuitable for text) of reasonable size on the market atm
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the type of work that asciilifeform does, goes 'geometrically' faster the more lines of text asciilifeform can legibly see at once w/out scrolling.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: well, i had 1600x1200 on my 1990s crts. and it was considered standard.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 1080pism is astonishing technoregress -- these would have been considered miserly even in 1990s crt days
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: pulse-width modulation. when comp displays started using led lamps instead of fluorescent tubes, almost all vendors implemented brightness control by pulsed flicker.
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-02 20:28:54 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-12-29#1027745 Say, what are the thoughts on GPUs with regards to this, asciilifeform?
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(asciilifeform) shinohai: verisimilitude: this should run on icestick neh ?
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(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude: I figure I'm pretty dumb by historical standards, and pretty smart by contemporary standards.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: asciilifeform leaves the weighing an' judgment of his worx, to ~other~ people. cuz the only alternative is an endless stare into own arse, which may be entertaining way to spend one's life for a narcissist; but not for healthy folx
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: originality in fact aint difficult (if you shipped w/ the right wetware) . what's difficult is to find any from ~other~ folx, though the noise of 1e9 screeching extrovert poseurs.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: yarvin was evidently trying to emulate various 'giants of industry' in picking up public materials, giving'em a coat of paint, and then claiming 'inventions'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: if yer curious how asciilifeform went in, and then out, of subj, there's a links thread in '16.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: Oh, while on my mind, this reveals an issue with Urbit's creation myth.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i spent enuff time reading the thing , trying to find out what these were, that in fact won 1 of the orig. prizes from yarvin&co
(asciilifeform) trinque: verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-10-07#1022907
(asciilifeform) snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-31 13:56:35 verisimilitude: IRC is like smoking, right; people acknowledge all of its issues, but do it anyway to socialize.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i can think of 'over 9000' worse ways to socialize.
(asciilifeform) shinohai: verisimilitude: I read most of what feedbot spits out here. I've delved into some of your older writings on lisp (hence my WoT rating earlier this year) and have list of links I need to review when time permits.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: imho it is a not unimportant detail, that the agitprop comes from folx whose actual aim is to drive functional, publicly-available crypto into extinction (and in fact largely achieved this)
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(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: mno, there's 'over 9000' ways of 'saying'. but exactly 1 of making it stick.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: you may find it interesting that high-end pc mb's already include a 'nmi pin'. normally not connected to any buttons, but in principle could set up handler for it during bios init, in smm ram, and use similarly to the iron debugger in e.g. bk0010.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: they in fact do
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: there's precedent -- consider the 'recover bios' jumper featured on many mb's from past ~decade (connects spare rom w/ factory-supplied stub bios to 'unbrick' from botched reflash)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in principle, there are pills against this. see also. i.e. equiv. of iron 'undo' button.
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(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: They're interesting; my D shows a Lisp-flavoured approach to them.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: right, not disputing that doubly-linked list is easier to rearrange; but how does it help in diffing ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: what does the doubleness of the links get you ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: illustrative of 'we need ~less~ powerful...' , is e.g. asciilifeform's 'peh', where went through great lengths to constrain the set of operations to where program can be reasoned about for safety-critical application
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: observe that -- even in verisimilitude's machine -- not all possible seq's of bits are equally-interesting programs.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: how does it lose usefulness ? the instrs still take params, which are constrained (e.g. a shortjump vs long takes diff. bitnesses of target, on whatever machine)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: is simply a very comb-like ast.
(asciilifeform) verisimilitude: Well, I also have a heavy distaste for what passes as text in modern systems.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: this still strikes me as 'very good editor'. imho all programming oughta happen inside such a tool.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: as in 'anaphoric macros' ? ( asciilifeform at one time thought these to be great idea, until tried to use, lol, and developed allergy for any kind of 'invisible' moving parts in programs )
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: thus far verisimilitude's item strikes me as simply a very good asmer (i had a similar one for msdos realmode, which 'knew' e.g. what regs are valid operands for MUL, and so forth)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: when i hear 'programming w/out text', i think of schematic layouts (electrical, or 'labview'-type item) . or at least interlisp-style lisp-with-trees where can only edit the tree, but not insert/remove chars arbitrarily
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: see, asciilifeform also uses heavily-customized text ~editors~ where 'press 1 key and get the asked-for 200-character name if need be'. but the representation is still a text.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: as for your item -- i admit , have not had chance to experiment in depth. so cannot answer re 'the win from non-text' in subj.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i actually started from a 'softer' version of this position : i.e. 'if there is a more effective human-to-comp i/o than text editor, then it then oughta be used.' so far not encountered any that impressed upon me the 'this cannot be achieved with text editor, even augmented one'. tho admittedly have not played extensively w/ interlisp.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: basic mechanics, however, are the same. verilog/vhdl can be considered 'syntactic sugar' ; the underlying primitives are same in all known fab processes (e.g. flipflop is still a flipflop no matter out of what made)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: moore, and in general 1980s processes. for that matter symbolics co. had a 100% cl top to bottom ic design thing, 'ns'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: ~100%
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: it would not be much of an exaggeration to say that the whole lang fits on a sheet of paper. e.g. reg [max:min] name = initvalue; creates a storage (of flipflops) of max+1 bits. wire name = someotherwire; or wire name = reg; or, wire foo = a ^ b etc connect things together, optionally via a logical op
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: fwiw it aint esp. hard to 'competitive w/ new intel' on fpga if correctly chosen benchmark (the most well-known example is prolly btc mining, i.e. sha2 brute)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: iirc there was >1 of these, even
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: funnily enuff, the builders of e.g. bolix's lisp gnawed at the vn leather straps quite a bit. hence the inclusion of various oddball special-purpose cpus (the 1 in the FEP; the 2 (!!) in the console ; possib. others)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: vm sucks even w/ arbitrary memory bandwidth / channels / # of cpu. because brings in whole spittoon of architectural retardation revolving around locking
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: a bottleneck is still a bottleneck, even w/ no traffic ('machine switched off')
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(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: nifty, dun hesitate to post
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: more insidiously (and much more difficult to fix), is how influenced design of irons (e.g. 'c dun have typed pointers, so iron won't either') but this is prolly for another thread
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in important sense, it does, tho -- can i build or operate it on a box for which i've no c compiler ? afaik not
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: linus had 'softer' version of this retardation (permitted direct calls; but pointedly and explicitly refused to standardize the abi. however, more or less de-facto standardized without his say-so)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: simply brittleness/tunnel vision , of design. e.g. assumption that all executables on the box had in fact come out of the c compiler, which in turn has snarfed in the particular .h header soup which came w/ ~that~ kernel; etc
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: similar idiocy exists in x86-64 (some of the extended regs get clobbered)
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: iirc floating point
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: talking about the abi. it uses nonstandard flags for some very basic commands, even e.g. open()
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: mno
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: what asciilifeform would really like to know, is why mips32/64 linux abi was delibrately braindamaged.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i recall, you described. what's running on that thing ?
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: eastern sweet delicacy, made traditionally from sunflower
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the key realization is that 'worse' aint a scalar.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: sadly, northkr is prolly on the last king of its dynasty. and after him, cocacola, WHO, etc.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: verisimilitude: re northkr, asciilifeform agrees entirely (and in fact well-read in subj, and from sympathetic sov. lit re same, and not from angloliberasts) ; see also .
(asciilifeform) adlai: verisimilitude: n.korea