trinque: you should build for from whom you wish to take money, not yourself
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 23:57:09 trinque: I'm not addressing whether he actually needs a VPN, but how hard is it to take p crypto and make a VPN?
trinque: current limiter is the lack of fat pipe, eh?
trinque: this is possible. I'll think on it more.
trinque: going to turn in for now, night.
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ave1_away: diana_coman: thx! I'm currently in the carpathian mountains, enjoying nature here
ave1_away: No, unfortunately not on this trip. Ukrainian part is big enogh for now
ave1_away: I'm thinking of going here by car next year, wich would make us a lot more flexible
ave1_away: Or see about renting something big, the way these orcs drive
diana_coman: ave1_away: taxis shouldn't be all that expensive either
ave1_away: My days this week will be very much; get up / shower, enjoy big breakfast, enjoy long walk in the mountains, swimming, nice meal from wood fire, get to bed and fall asleep immediately
ave1_away: even with all the walking, I'm fattening up nicely
ave1_away: taxis are not expensive at all, but I did not yet find one I would trust to drive me more than 100km
diana_coman: hm, not sure I follow what's the breakpoint of drive-trust at 100km
diana_coman: strictly on the face of it, you'd just move by 100km per taxi then, lol.
ave1_away: well, drive locally where they know their way vs drive further, 100km simply magical cutt-off in my brain
ave1_away: most taxis here, cars from early nighties, non working suspension, no belts etc.
ave1_away: Currenlty we've been using the train for long distance
diana_coman: heh, comes with nice meal from wood fire (and the smoke too, came instantly to mind )
ave1_away: yes, train definitely sovjet experience
ave1_away: as for sjlj + gnat, I've been thinking about it more. Next week I'll bite the bullet and genesis gcc firt.
ave1_away: The build script will then be based on this genesis
diana_coman: sounds clear and a firm starting point to work from at least
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ave1_away: somehow, I was think that I should genesis the build script first
ave1_away: and then have diffs of patch files
diana_coman: ave1_away: well, the build script requires all sorts so it makes sense to have as genesis a complete starting point if possible
ave1_away: but then, while walking I thought, no, it needs to be the other way around
ave1_away: first genesis all the parts, next build scripts (if at all needed by then)
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snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 23:45:07 trinque: moreover are there enough customers that care?
mircea_popescu: this "Solve problems as you run into them, anything else is premature optimization" groove's apparently very easy to slip out of, but it is TRT.
mircea_popescu: re awstats : there's no rule you gotta run it on the machine i nquestion. awstats will process ~any~ log in most standard formats, can just have an awstats box.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 23:50:19 asciilifeform: atm bar is set scandalously low. pretty much anyone can format hdd (or subtler vandalism) of a shared linux box he has any form of acct on, with week or 2 of effort.
mircea_popescu: is rater on alf's side re vpn product notion ; though this may be borne of ignorance, i don't think i ever bought one.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:18:11 asciilifeform: most immediately yes. current pipe would comfortably seat -- and that's if it were otherwise empty -- perhaps 4 or 5 warez leechers
mircea_popescu: (yes, believe it or not, i ran a "all films reviewed on trilema" server for like... a year. to see if anything interesting happens. major pipe and everything, came to high four figures all told, mostly hardware, soem sweat to get it up.
mircea_popescu: NOTHING interesting turned up. i don't mean, "low five figures' worth of interesting". not a benjie's worth. feeding the-horde-that-expects-to-be-fed is not merely -ev. it is 0ev.)
mircea_popescu: it was, i guess, sorta pleasant to see the thing keep the pipe full at all times, 100s of conns, if you do the math that's 4232690270208000 bytes' worth of good films i contributed to the ethers.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:22:59 asciilifeform: ( and if yer running a vpnism that tries to fulfill promise of 'no logs', you won't even know which user it was on acct of whom the upstream plug pulled )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 02:45:24 ave1_away: diana_coman: thx! I'm currently in the carpathian mountains, enjoying nature here
mircea_popescu: oh. keks, we missed each other in ukrlands. how didja like kiev ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 03:01:02 diana_coman: hm, not sure I follow what's the breakpoint of drive-trust at 100km
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 03:10:54 ave1_away: as for sjlj + gnat, I've been thinking about it more. Next week I'll bite the bullet and genesis gcc firt.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 03:10:54 ave1_away: as for sjlj + gnat, I've been thinking about it more. Next week I'll bite the bullet and genesis gcc firt.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-27 12:51:02 mp_en_viaje: as far as your practical example : do not genesis parts ; include the 12 things in yoru genersis if they are needed.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 09:53:42 trinque: on the blog front, I've got some weird brewing in response to the tlp seroquel annotation.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 00:28:22 trinque: it's not IRC trivia that drives me away from you lot. it's the bizzare godman worship with *no intent whatsoever* to put in the work to make a red cent.
mircea_popescu: there's no specific rule that documentation must be limited to success.
mircea_popescu: that's the logic : if it's worth doing, it's worth doing human-ly, which is to say reviewably ; and since one can't claim entire classes of fundamentals aren't wroth doing, the absence of X or Y topic is significant of weakness.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this "document success only" heuristic is the one most poisonous gift society has to offer.
spyked: IMHO examination of failure also counts as "interesting"; mircea_popescu has plenty examples of that on trilema
mircea_popescu: yes, it is true, illo tempore, in ages long past, with
expensive paper process, this was a useful approach. but today, it is counter-productive.
mircea_popescu: spyked, it's just the secular, momentuous change of detaching documentation from success and attaching it to activitry plain and simple that's the major significance of current it.
spyked: mircea_popescu, agreed. it's also what newton et al. used as a method and what academia could (I guess) have been if it hadn't devolved into the current shitshow.
mircea_popescu: but yes, historically, this was the longest held and dearest desire of all thinking men buried before we came :
mircea_popescu: that they might have ink and paper to write their things down
mircea_popescu: it's the pinnacle of stupid to go "now that we do, we dun wanna".
mircea_popescu: if every wanna-be corp out there actually followed their model, shit would actually work!
trinque: and I'm using a namesilo too per your recommendation, great service!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 07:31:06 mircea_popescu: this "Solve problems as you run into them, anything else is premature optimization" groove's apparently very easy to slip out of, but it is TRT.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 07:37:57 mircea_popescu: NOTHING interesting turned up. i don't mean, "low five figures' worth of interesting". not a benjie's worth. feeding the-horde-that-expects-to-be-fed is not merely -ev. it is 0ev.)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 08:10:15 mircea_popescu: i suppose this "document success only" heuristic is the one most poisonous gift society has to offer.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 08:22:04 mircea_popescu: npow, we do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that it is ; which is how you end up with entire swathes of maculature (usg "scientific research" or "news media" as prime examples) rejected out of hand.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: while ^ is true, signatures seem to be more than "lack of time" though; afaik you read EuCrypt and actually satisfied yourself re MR implementation for instance but I don't recall any signatures from you - or did I just miss them?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, mentioned recently, now writes stultifying government copy re "immigrants" at la times.
diana_coman: well yes, that is pretty much a given as soon as one starts doing useful stuff; but it still implies that signatures on *other people's* stuff are back of the queue while at the same time you see lack of signatures on your stuff as "nobody reads!"
diana_coman: to link it also to earlier trinque's thread "nobody reads"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 23:38:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo when you wake up -- do we have site stats ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:08:42 asciilifeform: trinque: that being said, mircea_popescu's 'uci' is prolly closest thing to 'sane vpn'. but not exactly in scope of piz, we dun have a fleet of 1e6 pwned boxen or anyffin of the kind.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: lolz; but leaving the examples aside a bit, it seems to me that there is currently a lack of incentive to signing; basically people perceive it more as a liability (perhaps: I signed that and...what if I'm wrong/made a mistake??) than a gain;
diana_coman: other people's signatures are good and wanted but that's about as much as it seems to go so far.
mircea_popescu: but that's the fucking gain. "o look, i made a mistake".
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I should have said: what if I get negrated for having signed it while it still contains a mistake/something I overlooked; basically a too-perfect-vision of it or how to put it
mircea_popescu: i dun think anyoen's getting negrated for being imperfect.
BingoBoingo:
http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wyswl/?raw=true << Their list of gateways shows what one would come to expect from shitgnomes. Clustered around places where USG already clusters their stuff, which... is probably the only way to build a VPN service that offers speed. This means UCI, sucking off the enemy, or a sad indefensible inbetween.
mircea_popescu: so far the bar seems more in the vein of the exact opposite, "seeking to hide imperfection"
diana_coman: but it's a more difficult thing to catch as it were: as above, it's unclear if "no signature" is a sign of "seeking to hide imperfection" or of "no read" or wtf already
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 13:20:14 BingoBoingo:
http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wyswl/?raw=true << Their list of gateways shows what one would come to expect from shitgnomes. Clustered around places where USG already clusters their stuff, which... is probably the only way to build a VPN service that offers speed. This means UCI, sucking off the enemy, or a sad indefensible inbetween.
trinque: you're again describing products you would use
snsabot: Logged on 2016-08-07 12:36:39 a111: Logged on 2014-11-26 04:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one point i needed some conductive cloth (the kind with silver strands) for an experiment. to my great surprise, i discovered that there is a large manufacturer in usa, and they do brisk business with folks suffering from precisely the kind of phobia described in decimation's link.
trinque: there are not enough yous to fill a bowling hall
mircea_popescu: actually, it's not altogether clear there is another one.
trinque: there's a thread right this moment on one of the heathen pits on which vpn should I use
trinque: as for the "checks from washington" I think you bring your soviet experience into these things without first going and looking
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the part you're missing is that the entire array is not made out of the one-worst-apple
trinque: I'm criticizing the approach.
trinque: not telling you where to source.
mircea_popescu: most people buying a vpn spent 5-10 bucks a month on 12 cents or so worth of usage
trinque: I'm not trying to insult you, but this is exactly the "and anyway if I did" loop.
trinque: most likely is, because satan has control of all vessels of darkness
mircea_popescu: you're allowing yourself to be misdirected. just get the peopel looking for the item called "vpn" in empire universe on a rk or w/e the actual item is
trinque: and control w/e fraction of the pipe they get to use
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:05:14 asciilifeform: observe that a literate user leasing a whole box, can trivially use it to forward his packets wherever. but turn-key 'service' of this, draws 9000 units of fire for erry unit of profit, by attracting the redditus. there's a reason why all existing vpnisms are honeypots , underwritten by usg moar or less directly.
mircea_popescu: just because they call it x in their fantasyworld has ~little bearing.
trinque: no, there is no market of you
trinque: this would make me sad if I felt like being sad, and I don't.
mircea_popescu: basically alf is willing to do anything whatsoever but sell.
trinque: you really need to hang out with some early 20s kids.
trinque: if it isn't a red dot they tap and that's it, they're not doing it. and you have nobody else to farm.
mircea_popescu: not "what you'd do in their place", not "what's good for them", "logical" or otherwise.
trinque: the "it'll all be pedo traffic" is the other end of the "my precious children, can't let 'em bike down the street"
trinque: there are statistically no pedos
mircea_popescu: it is quite unlikely anything like the usg socio-politico-legalo-wankist notion of "pedophile" exists in reality, yes.
mircea_popescu: then again black dudes regularly come out ~average wrt penis sizes, seems to do nothing for the meme.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:22:59 asciilifeform: ( and if yer running a vpnism that tries to fulfill promise of 'no logs', you won't even know which user it was on acct of whom the upstream plug pulled )
mircea_popescu: the last time anyone came even vaguely remotely close to anything like that, danielpbarron got his walking papers and the problem went away the same day.
mircea_popescu: why do you stubornly refuse to see, internalize and use the working process, notwithstanding it was both explained and displayed for your examination
mircea_popescu: and isntead sit there and wank idiotically about what is little mroe than "what i read in playboy letters".
trinque: if I can go briefly upstack, the proposal from me is to try things. vpn is just the first thing that came to mind.
mircea_popescu: in the EXTREMELY unlikely case you actually get a user you don't want, can just rate and move on.
trinque: if it's proved there's no market there, great, then you iterate moar
mircea_popescu: but this'd be a marked improvement over the stiuation where you got no user at all.
trinque: average derp has no idea what a box is, let alone what to do with it
trinque: but average derp can install a vpn client by clicking on something.
mircea_popescu: ONLY thing is, gotta talk to people. and tell them "here, is a thing, USE IT!".
mircea_popescu: nobody handles email by hand anymore, wtf, everyone is on google. if some douche wants you to install smtp on the shared server you just frown.
trinque: the kids don't even torrent anymore
trinque: they want to watch HBO from lithuania or w/e
mircea_popescu: this is kinda the bw-intensive use, and obv uy is no good for this
trinque: asciilifeform: I want to have a discussion that takes longer than the enumeration of your preconceptions.
trinque: the lulzy thing is your contempt for the lulcow could be reoriented *around* the milking, instead of lactose-intolerance
trinque: I dunno man, that metaphor went way off the rails
trinque: he doesn't want to talk to the stinky poor
trinque: trying the vpn thing is cheap, could be done easily while you still have coffers to try something else
trinque: I am not prescribing implementation.
trinque: maybe you, the operator of the service, do know what happens on it. maybe your covenant is to *not* share pipes with pedobearpig. it's all about muh datas and muh privacies, you see.
trinque: on that subj, going to sit down and write for a bit
BingoBoingo: <trinque> they want to watch HBO from lithuania or w/e << More to the point they want to watch US HBO/Netflix/etc from wherever rather than the local mirrors on their own ISP's network
