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asciilifeform: and yes, it started with eu 'rohs' mandate for lead-free.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reference counting... [david moon tale] ...but sure, it'd be great if it worked << there are quite a few systems which used reference-counting in garbage collector (other than in the demented c++ and apple systems, it is generally used in a garbage collector to determine 'what's garbage?'.) appears in, e.g., wolfram's 'mathematica.' down side: cannot have circular data structures.
asciilifeform: well, not merely circular, but self-referential in any form
asciilifeform: they will not get collected - ever.
asciilifeform: because - elementarily - reference count never nulls!
asciilifeform: hence the david moon anecdote.
jurov: thestringpuller: MPEx may one day allow redditards to buy coffee << lawl
asciilifeform: jurov: last i checked, they are already able to buy coffee, lol
asciilifeform: MPEx may one day -prohibit- redditards from buying coffee!
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jurov: ;;later tell mike_c most qntra shares in coinbr custody was claimed and afaik sold already. And I promised 14 day delivery of the rest on request, so prolly not what you want
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: the apple gpu thing is a true plague
asciilifeform: and the repairs -are a scam-
asciilifeform: they give you a board with the same ticking bomb
asciilifeform: whatdidjathink, they'd run a one-off with leaded solder just for you?
asciilifeform: because of some lawsuit ?
asciilifeform: and the comments on the article are blood-boiling
asciilifeform: 'who cares about 4 y.o. machines'
asciilifeform: i buy hardware, it is expected to last for 15-20 yrs.
asciilifeform: if it doesn't - that is to say, doesn't match fucking 1980s state of the art - it's a turd.
asciilifeform: and should be sold to coprophagiacs specially labeled.
asciilifeform: it was precisely the gpu thing that cured me of the 'omg only apple knows how to make Quality Hardware' (tm)
asciilifeform: and not only gpu;
asciilifeform: colleague of mine bought a $3k 'macbook' a few mo. ago
asciilifeform: the screen developed a hairline crack right in front of my eyes
asciilifeform: apple wouldn't refund.
asciilifeform: 'it was something you did'
asciilifeform: and sure, he could join a class-action and possibly get $10 seven years later.
asciilifeform: big fucking whoop.
asciilifeform: the 'secret' is that *no one* is making quality hardware. but apple is the most egregious sc4mz0r, for continuing to maintain the pretense.
asciilifeform: on the strength of a reputation that has long been entirely, thoroughly baseless.
jurov: i once won a free ipod mini from ibm...that thing recharged longer than played
thestringpuller: jurov: ah the nightly recharge of the ipod
thestringpuller: makes me think of high school. charging that thing each night
thestringpuller: before school.
asciilifeform: 'My wife got through her Master's on a G3 iBook, and we paid to have its motherboard replaced twice for the same graphics issue, a little over a year apart. Having to pay for the first repair sucked, but sometimes those are the odds. Having to pay to repair it a second time due to identical symptoms a couple of months after the initial repair warranty was up was a kick in the teeth, and was a good indicator that there was some
asciilifeform: thing fundamentally wrong.'
asciilifeform: ^ thoroughly typical
asciilifeform: for the record, it is very important to understand why folks put up with this.
asciilifeform: it is specifically, and entirely,
asciilifeform: to avoid winblows.
asciilifeform: i suspect that a sizable majority of apple users, if offered the choice between using winblows and being buggered with a thermos, complete with handle, every night,
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: are you familiar with giant douche vs turd sandwich?
asciilifeform: would take the thermos smiling
asciilifeform: and without hesitation.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: ?
asciilifeform: i imagine it's an archetypical 'good cop/bad cop' duo
thestringpuller: << no its essentially having to choose between giant douche or turd sandwich
asciilifeform: !s fork in the eye
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mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i have no idea what that is. what's a reddit gold ? a dollar ? 2 ? 10 ?
mircea_popescu: !up chatquack
chatquack wabes
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: 30 bucks for a year
asciilifeform chatquack wabes << gyres and gymbles
thestringpuller: or 4 bucks a month
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you dunno to begin with wtf data strcutres its gonna have.
chatquack: *pours mircea_popescu some honey mead*
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is correct
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on systems with reference-counting, users are normally barred from directly manipulating cons cells
asciilifeform: which would be, on such systems, the only means for crafting a self-referential data structure
asciilifeform: mega-lulz when they pop the hood and succeed anyway
asciilifeform: creating eternal turds that never get collected
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: looks like I provided 4 bucks.
thestringpuller: wait nvm 30
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> to avoid winblows. << it could be because they don't givew so much of a shit about the money. if he/she could afford a pointless masters,
mircea_popescu: they can afford a pointless "repair"
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 30*24*60 / 216 * 30
gribble: 6000
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller reddit runs out of 6k a month worth of servers ? impressive if true.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't about the money. talk to a 30+ year apple user. the kind that stuck to it 'through thick and thin'
asciilifeform: it's about the get-the-microshit-out-of-my-fucking-face-i-dont-care-what
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I wouln'dt be surprised cause shits always going down.
mircea_popescu: chatquack i just went through home made cherry brandy, im full up on sweet liquor
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so i fail to see how "reference counting" is any sort of anything resembling a solution nor c etc demented for not having it.
chatquack: Oh I bet! Sounds tasty though
asciilifeform: c doesn't do the garbage collection thing at all
mircea_popescu: well cause it can't be fucking done.
mircea_popescu: i can follow that logic there. "for ten cents we can't be bothered, write your own damned card"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: beg to differ. there are very good algos for garbage collection with hard real-time guarantees. they are complicated and i know of no system other than common lisp where they are implemented with any quality.
mircea_popescu: so there you go.
asciilifeform: typically one has multiple levels of storage for objects with different ranges of expected lifetime
asciilifeform: e.g. a 'nursery'
asciilifeform: from which objs are promoted, optionally
mircea_popescu: i think you see my point. well "my". porobably the oldest point in computing.
asciilifeform: the ultimate mega-death-star reference work on the subject is 'garbage collection algorithms for automatic dynamic memory management' (r. jones & r. d. lins)
asciilifeform: ^^^^^ recommended
asciilifeform: to anyone who gives half a fuck
asciilifeform: in fact, i dare say it is the only good work on the subject in dead tree.
asciilifeform: but yes, garbage collection will have a terrible reputation for at least another half century on account of the state-of-the-art half a century ago when john mccarthy invented it, 'stop the world'
asciilifeform: literally, like keeping two flats, occasionally taking useful objects from one to the other, then setting off dynamite in the old flat.
asciilifeform: 'stop the world' is also called 'semispace'
mircea_popescu: everything should be dereferenced every 1337th instruction
asciilifeform: !s semispace
assbot: 3 results for 'semispace' :
asciilifeform: ^ we did it
mircea_popescu: that way, it defnitely fits in head.
mircea_popescu: "how long is a program ?" "that depends. on 64 bit registers, roughly 21kb
asciilifeform: i'll add that neither 'mark and sweep' (stop-the-world in its basic form) nor 'reference counting' are necessary on a dataflow machine
asciilifeform: where you can determine precisely what objects are live simply by... forming electric circuit (yes) from the root node
asciilifeform: and whoever 'lights up' is live.
asciilifeform: obligatory:
asciilifeform: !s spaghetti sort
assbot: 1 results for 'spaghetti sort' :
asciilifeform: ^^^ wtf!!!! stemming is back!
asciilifeform: die stemming, die
assbot: spaghetti sort - ... ( )
mircea_popescu: how is it stemmed ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: look at the result
asciilifeform: does the string 'spaghetti sort' occur in it ?
mircea_popescu: sort-of ? that's proper break
mircea_popescu: but it never was strict sting, it was boith words.
mircea_popescu: you want quotes.
mircea_popescu: !s 'spaghetti sort'
assbot: 1 results for ''spaghetti sort'' :
mircea_popescu: !s "spaghetti sort"
assbot: 0 results for '"spaghetti sort"' :
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is correct
mircea_popescu: you want " quotes specifically.
asciilifeform: back to thread, momentarily, before i nod off to sleep; certain problems (i dare say most of the 'big ones') in algorithms magically dissipate when you burn the retarded von neumann thing
asciilifeform: for real life implementations of 'spaghetti sort', see adi shamir's 'twinkle' and 'twirl' machines.
asciilifeform: (i'm nearly certain we did these here)
asciilifeform: in a von neumann machine, you'd have to individually address and ask each cell what its output is, to take the sum, like a total idiot
mircea_popescu: is shamir still working on those light machines ?
asciilifeform: in 'twinkle', you just have a led in each and a phototransistor on top.
asciilifeform: ask him.
asciilifeform never saw shamir alive and doesn't expect to, iirc he was perma-banned from usa
mircea_popescu: was he ?
assbot: Cryptographer Adi Shamir Prevented from Attending NSA History Conference ... ( )
mircea_popescu: mebbe we should ask adlai to pay him a visit ? do an interview for qntra
asciilifeform: see also comments
asciilifeform: for other banned folks
assbot: How The Government Blocked An Expert From Attending Its Own Cryptology Symposium | Techdirt ... ( )
asciilifeform: 'In July 2013 I told the NSA-affiliated conference organizers that I was having some problems in getting my visa, and gently asked whether they could do something about it. Always eager to help, the NSA people leaped into action, and immediately sent me a short email written with a lot of tact: “The trouble you are having is regrettable…Sorry you won’t be able to come to our conference. We have submitted our program and
asciilifeform: did not include you on it.”
mircea_popescu: In my humble opinion, we are heading toward a disaster, and I have heard many people, among them our top scientists, saying that they are not willing anymore to visit the US, and collaborate with American scientists, because of the difficulties.
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pete_dushenski: aw i missed adam_obrien's cherry popping
mircea_popescu: "As a friend of the US I am deeply worried that if you continue to delay visas in such a way, the only thing you will achieve is to alienate many world-famous foreign scientists, forcing them to increase their cooperation with European or Chinese scientists whose countries roll the red carpet for such visits. "
mircea_popescu: "why get now for free what you won't be able to afford later on ?!?!?!!?"
pete_dushenski: us just wants to bury its head in the sand
asciilifeform: 'we don't need no stinking jew crypto here in the reich'
mircea_popescu tries real hard to imagine the next generation shamir putting to paper the 'friend of the us' string.
asciilifeform: that was probably a first and a last.
mircea_popescu: hegel and shaw were great friends of the third reich,
mircea_popescu: but who in the 60s said the same ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform:it's about the get-the-microshit-out-of-my-fucking-face-i-dont-care-what << now, as ever
asciilifeform: iirc pete_dushenski is a hereditary apple user, ought to deeply grok this ^
pete_dushenski: lol jew crypto!
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform your memory serves you well.
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asciilifeform: i'm friends with several folks like that in meatspace
asciilifeform: and thereby know
pete_dushenski: and while the new stuff is faster, it certainly isn't built to last
pete_dushenski: the screen on this 'air' is already mroe borked than us science
pete_dushenski: not 2 years old
asciilifeform: the only apple box currently in my collection is a circa-'09 'air'
asciilifeform: it is very well preserved but survived a burst (yes) battery
pete_dushenski: 6 year old al macbook is slow, but a bit weighed down with junk, still mechanically solid
asciilifeform: looked like a botulismed tin can
asciilifeform: the whole machine!
pete_dushenski: don't eat it!
asciilifeform: keys discorged from kbd, etc
asciilifeform: *disgorged
asciilifeform: vendor repair for a few hundy, iirc
asciilifeform: included new kbd and chassis
pete_dushenski: !gettrust adam_obrien
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pete_dushenski: asciilifeform not bad.
pete_dushenski: i think a new screen will run about 200 for this air
pete_dushenski: procrastinating...
pete_dushenski: mostly because i'm annoyed
asciilifeform: what vintage air ?
asciilifeform: i've a dead one with intact lcd.
pete_dushenski: 2013 air
asciilifeform: standard res ?
asciilifeform: find if part is compatible with circa 2010
asciilifeform: if yes, gpggram a post box addr and i'll mail you.
asciilifeform: itching to get rid of that thing to good use, it's cluttering up my machine shop
assbot: Minsk and Munich: History repeats itself - English ... ( )
asciilifeform: the bottom half is melted
asciilifeform: into heap of slag
asciilifeform: but lcd ought to work
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform danke for the offer at least!
pete_dushenski still digging
asciilifeform: i'm actually the only person i know who keeps an apple box 'for testing xxxx on apple once in a blue moon' without sitting on it all the time
asciilifeform: somehow this is simply not done...
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pete_dushenski: i have an old apple box or two that is blue mooning
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform ok, so here's the air display situation: if you have the 1280x800 screen, i'm out of luck, if you have the 1440x900 then we're good!
asciilifeform: sadly it's the former.
asciilifeform: (it being the original series)
pete_dushenski: just our luck eh
asciilifeform: eh well.
pete_dushenski: thx for the offer though
asciilifeform: if anybody else here wants it, mail me.
asciilifeform: incidentally, it died of nvidia gpu
asciilifeform: bottom is molten slag because i tried the traditional hot air reflow machine repair method
asciilifeform: and couldn't be arsed to take the mobo out beforehand
asciilifeform: and overcooked it a wee bit.
pete_dushenski: jurov lol oh pravda...
asciilifeform: had to issue pet new box.
asciilifeform: комсомольская правда!
pete_dushenski: what'd you replace it with ?
asciilifeform: ☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: similar
thestringpuller: all these unicode characters!
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: i bought a car lol.
thestringpuller: Subaru. not quite a saddam.
pete_dushenski: saving the volvo idea for later ?
asciilifeform used to have a 'subaru'
thestringpuller: d00d was telling me about forrester he sold that had 400k miles on it
thestringpuller: and was still running, had been driven all over the country
asciilifeform: incidentally, there is no firm 'subaru'
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that bit of russian gets spit out as "tvnz" by google translate
asciilifeform: there is only fuji heavy industries.
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: saving the volvo idea for later << can't find one that's bene taken care of
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell kakobrekla please to add !translate function to assbot wish list.
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pete_dushenski: asciilifeform of which toyota owns a chunk
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller not so surprising really
asciilifeform is not 'car guy' despite - or perhaps because of? - spending a rather extraordinary amount of time in cars
pete_dushenski: !rate adam_obrien 3 the kid can hustle. cad-btc broker.
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pete_dushenski: asciilifeform sorta like taxi drivers aren't "car guys"
asciilifeform drove on what must've been a 20km solid strip of ice today
pete_dushenski: drove or was driven ?
asciilifeform: the former
asciilifeform: driven lol
asciilifeform: whos gonna
asciilifeform: the woman - doesn't drive
pete_dushenski: orly ? no license even ?
asciilifeform: believe or not there are such people
asciilifeform: in modern day
pete_dushenski fuming at 'air' now. $450-600 for new display!
pete_dushenski: sure, i just thought they mostly lived in montreal
asciilifeform: apple tax (tm)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: iirc it is possible to forgo cars in montreal
pete_dushenski: very much so
pete_dushenski: one of the only places on the continent
pete_dushenski: i should say, one of the only that i'd live in and not have need for car
pete_dushenski: so it's 1) real city, 2) pleasant (for me), 3) doesn't require car
asciilifeform went there, once, as a schoolboy
pete_dushenski: nyc is 1 and 3, not 2
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform school trip ?
asciilifeform for some reason only remembers the chinese quarter with the monstrous fish hanging in the market
asciilifeform: with spike
asciilifeform: nah not school, went with family for kicks
asciilifeform: just because we could
pete_dushenski: hey why not
pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.adam_obrien.3:2dcac74653866d7b577b42d50842fd1c1258e54ebd97872ccff075cdfb32fb26
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pete_dushenski: asciilifeform did/do you have siblings ?
asciilifeform: brother
pete_dushenski: heh i somehow imagined that you had all this time as a youf to diddle computers because you were an only child!
asciilifeform: l0l no.
asciilifeform: elder brother, led me to the sinful life.
asciilifeform: but more clever than i - he has virtually no net presence at all.
pete_dushenski: how is ignoring the best first largest cult 'more clever' ?
pete_dushenski: other than less gasenwagen
asciilifeform: mainly ^
pete_dushenski: he won't have a chance to be teh gwagon driver though!
pete_dushenski: when we put the shoe on the other foot
pete_dushenski: WHEN i tell you.
asciilifeform: obligatory:
assbot: George Orwell: Revenge is Sour ... ( )
asciilifeform for the record, does not agree with mr. o
asciilifeform: on this subject
pete_dushenski: << lulzy btc-e phish i just received
asciilifeform: but the piece is relevant
pete_dushenski: with "btc-e wallet.rar" attachment
thestringpuller: lol. i've noticed a slight pattern.
thestringpuller: pete is most active in #b-a after writing an article
thestringpuller: got this pavlov goin on here. saw your name pete, and subconciously refreshed tab with your blog in it. voila new article. ;)
asciilifeform: i've always wondered if vonnegut wrote the leather suitcase strap scene in his 'mother night' after reading that orwell piece
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller lol except that was from this morning!
pete_dushenski: like 15 hours ago
asciilifeform: it's similar to the point of being misfiled together in my head
pete_dushenski: but yes, the routine is something like 1) publish, 2) self-scoop, 3) catch-up
asciilifeform: Mengel was speaking of Rudolf Franz Hoess, the commandant of the extermination camp
asciilifeform: at Auschwitz. In his tender care, literally millions of Jews were gassed. Mengel knew a little
asciilifeform: about Hoess. Before emigrating to Israel in 1947, Mengel helped to hang Hoess.
asciilifeform: And he didn't do it with testimony, either. He did it with his two big hands. 'When Hoess
asciilifeform: was hanged,' he told me, 'the strap around his ankles — I put that on and made it tight'
asciilifeform: 'Did that give you a lot of satisfaction?' I said.
asciilifeform: 'No,' he said, 'I was like almost everybody who came through that war.'
asciilifeform: 'What do you mean?' I said. 'I got so I couldn't feel anything,' said Mengel. 'Every job was
asciilifeform: a job to do, and no job was any better or any worse than any other.'
asciilifeform: 'After we finished hanging Hoess,' Mengel said to me, 'I packed up my clothes to go home.
asciilifeform: The catch on my suitcase was broken, so I buckled it shut with a big leather strap. Twice
asciilifeform: within an hour I did the very same job — once to Hoess and once to my suitcase. Both jobs
asciilifeform: felt about the same.'
pete_dushenski: makes sense
pete_dushenski: (from the armchair)
pete_dushenski: depends on one's own disposition too
pete_dushenski: do you give a shit when you see roadkill ?
asciilifeform: i'm told that in subsaharan africa, human roadkill is sop
asciilifeform: as in, no one stops to clean it up or id it
asciilifeform: just not anybody's business.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: your stories make me never want to go to jail.
asciilifeform: it goes flatter, spins around now&then
thestringpuller: i mean no one wants to go to jail. but your stories REALLY make me not want to go to jail
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: and i'm not even in the jail
asciilifeform has not even yet been in the jail
asciilifeform: so which stories
pete_dushenski: you have a lot less time to fuck around worry about someone else's problems in a country where there's not 50x more wealth than needed for sustenance.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i can only guess at why they do, but the human roadkill thing isn't so surprising
pete_dushenski: it isn't to me either
pete_dushenski: there's >1bn 'lives' in africa
pete_dushenski: yet less productive output than the northern tip of israel
asciilifeform kicks a small crate labelev 'nuvoton'
asciilifeform shoves a larger crate of israeli gas masks
asciilifeform looks for manufactured object from africa in room, can't find
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pete_dushenski: precisement
pete_dushenski guesses that asciilifeform isn't much for aesthetic diamonds
asciilifeform has a diamond cutoff wheel somewhere
pete_dushenski: or 50-year-old pianos
asciilifeform: actually
asciilifeform: i've a sack of piano keys, circa 1890
pete_dushenski: elephant keys!
asciilifeform: but then could even count the tantalum in capacitors
asciilifeform: i was specifically looking for manufactured goods
pete_dushenski: not more roadkill
asciilifeform: if vegetable, mineral - can probably turn up a dozen
asciilifeform: (why piano keys - story for another day)
pete_dushenski: africa: come for the adventure, leave with the roadkill
asciilifeform: stay as the roadkill
asciilifeform: depending how the dice fall
pete_dushenski: if you're traveling to africa, you can probably afford to stay out of the anonymous ditch
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pete_dushenski: in the olden days when ebola was scary...
pete_dushenski: all of 3 months ago ?
asciilifeform: would be interesting to know where it went
asciilifeform: for all i know, it rages still somewhere in midwest
asciilifeform: amidst news blackout
asciilifeform: or, alternatively, 'politicians want to live too' and quietly orders were given
pete_dushenski: eh if news is leaking out of ukraine, it can find its way out of midwestia
asciilifeform: the stopper on ua bottle - in english - is nearly airtight
pete_dushenski: i call baloney
pete_dushenski: what is this, 1950 ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: care to show counter-example ?
asciilifeform: as in, who - other than orlov - is spilling the beans in engl. ?
pete_dushenski: hell, fox news
asciilifeform: lol srsly ?
pete_dushenski: not that seriously, but not that jokingly either
pete_dushenski: the last psychiatrist, chris ballas
asciilifeform: i know who
asciilifeform: but thought he disappeared a while ago
asciilifeform has read the complete tlp
pete_dushenski: not really
pete_dushenski: his last article was only 7 months ago
pete_dushenski did more digging on, came up utterly blank trying to find anything of value. retracts earlier statement.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: which << << those two in particular. i guess no one wants to be in gulag, but stories like this REALLY make me not wanna be in US gulag. The latter means once prisoner of US gulag, US polezei will toss you back in as the feel like it even if you escape.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform either way, i figure the burden is on you to prove air tightness, not me to disprove
thestringpuller: as you further state here asciilifeform >> << the real escape has costs and stuff
pete_dushenski: lack of news in midwest doesn't prove 'cover up'
pete_dushenski: the midwest is just... dull
pete_dushenski: if 'cover up' were in effect, no one would've ever heard of ferguson mo
pete_dushenski: and i'm pretty sure africa's heard of ferguson mo
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jurov: ^ lol asciilifeform can ask them for stuff and pay in bitcoin... but quite bezzle rates
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: so far i don't disagree - the problem i described could indeed be magicked away entirely and semi-permanently by judicious application of ~100k usd << 100k usd seems to be "magic number" in USia's /etc/moduli
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << Beautiful, but there's going to be some very sad japs who still can't netbsd up their pogo next to their toaster because nand
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: nubbins`: elementary fact is that i can only keep my wot obligations (s.nsa) if i have present level of equipment and time << When BTC funded taxi leaves USia, maybe missile takes it down in interesting place and we all meet the "boys from brazil"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, decimation: the point that i was trying - and failing - to make, was that a fundamentally fiat-based business arrangement like renting a house from a fella on opposite end of continent who you've never met and never expect to meet, cannot be 'bitcoinized' in the sense of turning you loose from usg financial jail << Even when "fiat poor" developing "escape WoT" is obstacle
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: this doesn't include private 'consulting' gigs, also, which many of these folks take part in << Seriously perverts rents. All around the country bubbles aroud various installations push rent up $BigInt for $ConvenientInt radius
chetty: All around the country bubbles aroud various installations push rent up $BigInt for $ConvenientInt radius// which makes stupid ideas like min wage even more ridiculous
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BingoBoingo: decimation: fluffypony: what about rhodesia? << meatspace friends blessed me with three rare books as birthday gift "Slave to her nigger", "Temptress in the Slave Quarters", and "A Craving for Black Flesh" these people know me too well
BingoBoingo: 0 fluffypony: that's not been done, right? << Should be done to death by now, unfortunately undeath and zombies
BingoBoingo: Nice boobie trap trigger too, no nipple will not engorge when the capacitor shorts
danielpbarron: height=217183 vs height=189334
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BingoBoingo: jurov: Good find
assbot: Logged on 22-02-2015 03:06:06; decimation: nah, the whole 'd1scr1m1n4t10n!!!111!!' has everything to do with the general divide & conqueror the kulaks program, and nothing to do with the exercise of actual power
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BingoBoingo: mike_c: a lot can change in a year. but i don't think there are enough shares in existence to make it worth it anyway. i mean, what, bingo maybe has 50k shares? << Beauty of MPEx is neither you nor the pederasts can truly be sure.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: there's really no logical reason to buy it unless you got a better way to run it << ALso can't seriously discount the glory of major sharholders split across 3 continents. GAW could prebtebd to sue coinfire, Qntra???
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: this is true but misleading : in fact you know the fiats will inflate to all shit. and you know start-ups will dilute to all shit. in absolutely no proportion to "Words added" or any other sort of metric. << Scary thing is the longer this goes on and the harder we look for news, the less news words there seem to be to write in my observation. As time goes on I hope pieces like 'Your Disk Controller and You" Take an
BingoBoingo: increasing percent of equity
BingoBoingo also offer that the qntra principles could likely drink any other "BTC News" venture under any table.
BingoBoingo: decimation: re: qntra > I guess my thinking is that he is using pretty speculative thinking about the rate of dilution, who knows how management is going to act in the future << So far surprisingly predictable
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: and yes, it started with eu 'rohs' mandate for lead-free. << Amazing how much civilization depends on this humble metal
BingoBoingo: << Bought iBook G3 at insane discount because display broken. On list of machines I wish I would have kept.
assbot: Logged on 22-02-2015 05:32:09; asciilifeform: 'My wife got through her Master's on a G3 iBook, and we paid to have its motherboard replaced twice for the same graphics issue, a little over a year apart. Having to pay for the first repair sucked, but sometimes those are the odds. Having to pay to repair it a second time due to identical symptoms a couple of months after the initial repair warranty was up was a kick in the teeth, and was a good ind
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BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: 6 year old al macbook is slow, but a bit weighed down with junk, still mechanically solid << loving cheapest thinkpad of 2011 still. working on hoarding fans for it and learning enough hardware diddling to do cell replacement in battery apparatus
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: for all i know, it rages still somewhere in midwest << Maybe in Ohio? Biggest Illinois news is pro-Austerity governor proposing operation as advertized
BingoBoingo: ;; later tell pete_dushenski How do you know the ferguson drama wasn't to keep Africans from wanting to go to Middle West?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:nubbins`: you know i took a ninety per cent pay cut two years ago? << you actually made money at some point ?! <<< i actually make money *now*, just... less 8)
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:nubbins`: what's a young anti-consumerist to do ;/ << shit look at that, "mother earth news" is actually a thing. <<< print issues are a bit lacking these days, but for the $20/yr or w/e...
nubbins`: website + backlogs are literally a trove tho
nubbins`: you can get every back issue to the 70s on dvd for <sale of the month price>
jurov: is it searchable?
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jurov: nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: jurov i'd imagine.
nubbins`: ;;google mother earth dvd
gribble: Shopping - Mother Earth News: <>; MOTHER EARTH NEWS Archive 1970-2013: Multiplatform Edition: <>; Mother Earth Tour - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>
nubbins`: i probably have coupon codes somewhere if you actually want it
jurov: you know, it may easily be scanned turds
nubbins`: "The Multiplatform Edition contains files for each year of the magazine in a format that can be transferred for viewing and searching on multiple devices. The content can only be viewed and searched year by year. • The Classic Edition provides a browser-based interface for accessing the archive on your desktop computer or laptop. You can do advanced searches and view content from the entire 44-year archive, all at once!"
nubbins`: they really do put a fair amount of effort into what they do
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nubbins`: ^ some of the homesteading blogs are rad too
nubbins`: neat seeing how people do things
jurov: looks good, you can look up the coupons someday
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asciilifeform: jurov: can ask them for stuff and pay in bitcoin... but quite bezzle rates << same as 'bitpay' but spammier flavour. and same problem. you can't bitcoinize a fiat business relationship not because of the funny green usg money but because it is wotless
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asciilifeform: wtf did turdatron do with my message.
asciilifeform: seriously that thing does not work at all.
mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1
asciilifeform: jurov: it even mailed it back to me, but not showing in the www.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform scoopbot's down, deedbot not here, it's like microsoft over here.
indiancandy1: quick question
indiancandy1: does anyone kno anything bout viral marketing
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: yes. if you have a rare viral sample (e.g. Marburg) various folks will offer to buy.
mircea_popescu: about as much as they know about psychiatry : everyone has his own story.
fluffypony: further to asciilifeform's point, containment is critical
mircea_popescu: ;;later peterl what happened to scoopbot now ?
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "peterl" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
fluffypony: most buyers prefer it to be kept as cooled specimens / samples
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl what happened to scoopbot now ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: not just on some petri dish or something
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 you have voice silly.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you're a bunch of aholes you know :D
asciilifeform: jurov ^
mircea_popescu: jurov "Behind the scenes, however, some new that peace was definitely not secured."
mircea_popescu: it looks like a pretty good attempt at being the onion
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that bit of russian gets spit out as "tvnz" by google translate << it's not russian ye kook, it's the hammer and sickle sign
asciilifeform: it had a translation!?!
jurov: asciilifeform: dat clearsigned tftp vomit /o\
asciilifeform: wtf's wrong with my chunder
asciilifeform: why won't it eat.
asciilifeform: perfectly good chunkz
jurov: it's kilometer line. we already had this discussion
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asciilifeform: ^ obligatory
jurov: that stmp just won't do kilometer lines
jurov: *smtp
jurov: Pogov4> tftp 0x800000 netbsd.ub Using egiga0 device TFTP from server [censored]; our IP address is [censored] Filename 'netbsd.ub'. Load address: 0x800000 Loading: ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# #############################################################
jurov: ################################################################# ################################################################# #################################################################
jurov: ^ this
asciilifeform: could've guessed
asciilifeform: but why?
mircea_popescu: why didn't you guess! and why. because fucking email.
mircea_popescu: stupidest protocol in common use since the bretton woods agreements
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: got this pavlov goin on here. saw your name pete, and subconciously refreshed tab with your blog in it. voila new article. ;) << ha.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (why piano keys - story for another day) << im pretty sure those are illegal in your jurisdiction.
asciilifeform: technically grandfathered
asciilifeform: but i won't be surprised to have them exhibited at my hanging
asciilifeform: 'prove you didn't shoot the elephant'
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as grandfathered for parts.
mircea_popescu: only for whole item.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: and i'm pretty sure africa's heard of ferguson mo << at least the part that can read. although... it seems improbable that if they did we don't see the output.
mircea_popescu: "i represent the family of a rich ferguson, mo merchant who has died in the recent troubles..."
mircea_popescu: << lol that shit looks kinda like my shit. of course, i would suspect they'd choke if i put my lists through them, as i don't order pizza.
mircea_popescu: chetty: [...] which makes stupid ideas like min wage even more ridiculous << there's simply no way to avoid it. it IS a stupid idea, of course, but in an inflation driven economy everyone just keeps trying to climb on everyone else.
mircea_popescu: inflation economy is basically the cheapest most reliable implementation of "crabs in the pot" to human society.
mircea_popescu: nothing ever gets done anymore because everyone's energy is spent dragging everyone else down.
mircea_popescu: and if in a scored sport, say baseball or soccer, they started messing with the scoreboard, the game'd stop right then and all the players etc would just move to working teh board.
mircea_popescu: "come watch a bunch of folks sit at desks on a green field, make numbers go up."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: meatspace friends blessed me with three rare books as birthday gift "Slave to her nigger", "Temptress in the Slave Quarters", and "A Craving for Black Flesh" these people know me too well << wtf, these are books or more like photo albums ?
mircea_popescu: << if anyone's curious to see 1845 pious fraud, here's the "great philosopher" frederick douglass making shit up.
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mircea_popescu: he sounds exactly like a better read joseph smith. substantially the same inclination to pass counterfactuality for fact "because who's to say it didn't happen" and "it damned well serves the purpose of making my understanding of the world more palatable ot others".
mircea_popescu: kinda lends a lot of substance to a notion that usians are actually broken in the head structurally, rather than accidentally. at least the usians of the time.
ben_vulpes: douglass was a fraud?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only were the colonies (and then usa) the world's premier nuthouse for sectarian nutters, but the era of 'we have empty space now' promoted the 'tell'em tall tales and who's to say it didn't happen out there in the woods' mentality
mircea_popescu: i never read anything important he wrote. he did a lot of abolitionist propaganda, for which his party attached titles to him.
mircea_popescu: this makes him no more a philosopher than the soviets.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently. it's kind-of strange that this shared psychosis was never investigated.
mircea_popescu: then people jump at the fundamentally antiscientific restructuring of science the americans did (and many places copied) after 1950 as a sort of noivel phenomena
mircea_popescu: fucking bs, there's nothing novel about it, they just did to science what they had been doing all through 1800s. which apparently is, for unclear reasons, all the ycan intellectually do ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: marc twain did a pretty good job investigating
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and you obviously notice that after the "god spoke to me through stones in hat" west of the early 1800 and the "god spoke to me re black people" of the mid 1800s, they moved on to "god spoke to me re rhodesia" almost seamlessly. and before that it was...
asciilifeform: even mr mold got this much
mircea_popescu: basically, THIS if anything is the red thread of a putative "american nation". religious obscurantism divorced from religion per se.
asciilifeform: his whole thesis was approximately this sentence
asciilifeform: 'christianity without the chris'
mircea_popescu: it may well hold some value.
mircea_popescu: well, also notably without the virgin whore.
mircea_popescu: the only other people i know about this stupid and stupid in this manner are the sicilians, and they are fucking fixated on the holy cunt.
asciilifeform: iirc he compared it to certain genetically engineered bacteria that end up shedding the payload - 'why should i piss out $protein when i can be making more copies of self faster'
mircea_popescu: (sicilians more in the "kingdom of two sicilies" than in the island of ~ sense)
mircea_popescu: no cause they do have a payload.
mircea_popescu: the payload is, amusdingly enough, a very primitive answer to the same problem.
asciilifeform: that is, evolutionary pressure to jettison whatever payload is no longer serving the ultimate purpose
mircea_popescu: they STILL deal with their own fear of death, just, not iun the very refined jewish manner.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: re "piece of shit" neat stuff
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: tried it ?
ben_vulpes: nope.
ben_vulpes: no pogo.
asciilifeform: once have pogo: if you use the tftp recipe, you no longer need to wear out your nand to run these
ben_vulpes: have not the shiva arms
asciilifeform: ^ pun intended ?
asciilifeform: (the original machine in the series was marketed as 'sheeva plug.' and ran on same 'arm' chip by 'marvell'...)
mircea_popescu: much more brusquely, as if a cowboy in dirty footwraps at a bar somewhere decided to cut it short and end with a joke.
ben_vulpes: somewhere deep in the stack, something insisted on saying it. same way the rest of my puns happen.
mircea_popescu: your punhole's leakin'.
ben_vulpes: i can't reason about my bioware
asciilifeform wonders how many u.s. folk, other than historical re-enactors, know what footwraps are
mircea_popescu: yes well real cowboys don't wear fucking socks.
asciilifeform: socks are finicky high-tech
mircea_popescu: also don't wash well.
asciilifeform: esp. not if 'wash' means 'fording a river'
asciilifeform: phun phact: degenerating ru army recently moved to socks!
asciilifeform: yes, and with american-style boots.
mircea_popescu: o did they ?
asciilifeform: (can't use trad ru boots with socks)
mircea_popescu pictures legion of corporals going "omfg end of fucking world igmme a drink"
asciilifeform: sure did.
asciilifeform: or so i'm told
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: << turns out it was proclaimed, but not quite implemented
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asciilifeform: good enough for the romans, etc
mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1
mircea_popescu: "Ancient Rome would envy us if my program is implemented. As our boat sailed south on the James River, named for our illustrious King, whose version of the Bible we cherish"
mircea_popescu: what fucking bs is this lmao.
mircea_popescu: no, and i do mean NO english speaker of 1712 would have come up with that string.
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ben_vulpes: i'm beginning to think that each and every ruby developer's computer is configured to work on exactly one project, and they have no idea how they made it work in the first place.
mircea_popescu: this is quite exact.
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lol!
ben_vulpes: this leads to such inane babble like "oh rbenv and rvm are neither any better nor any worse than each other, they do different things differently"
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ben_vulpes: a) whenever i hear "neither better nor worse" i actually parse "i cannot evaluate things and exist in a perpetual fog of 'oh iono'"
ben_vulpes: holeeeeeee shit i'm angry.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "computers are not about hurtful things like math but more like about feelings and so the fact that there exist unevaluable statements does not worry me, but on the contrary"
ben_vulpes: AWGIBELRUN
ben_vulpes: and the wayback machine is down
ben_vulpes: obab hates me.
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mircea_popescu: the wayback machine thing reminds me of one of the lulziest things ever drug up in my nets :
mircea_popescu: "The problem is the people cannot fit the behaviour into any customary category. It does not look like usual editor's behaviour, does not look as usual spammer's behaviour, etc. They do not know what expect from it. They still cannot stop the bot fixing the dead links. They have angst.
mircea_popescu: And as it is something unusual, the usual verbs cannot be applied to it. Can the ants from the outer space be "forgiven"? No. They can be only wiped out. It is an existential issue, not a technical one. That's why your brilliant arguments won't work"
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mircea_popescu: tl;dr : someone came in and fixed linkrot for wikipedia without bothering to ask the "anyone can edit" powers whether they aprove.
mircea_popescu: whole thing got burned down.
mircea_popescu: probably best argument ever in that entirely nonsensical "anyone can edit" line of conmanship.
punkman: (now is ran by single russian dude using his own money
punkman: just mentioning
mircea_popescu: aha. anyway, the way back machine being still down...
mircea_popescu: this is the internet! everyone learns from it!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that reminds me: i've long imagined that 'in the dark future where there is only war (tm)' zip ties will be used for expedient field hangings.
asciilifeform: sorta how current american cops use them as handcuffs
asciilifeform: cheaper than bullet, and ever more effete gestapo peopled by folks afraid of blood - perfect match
asciilifeform: zzzip - hrrrrk - next
mircea_popescu: wrists first.
asciilifeform: complete 3-piece kit
asciilifeform: in envelope
mircea_popescu: just wrists behind back
mircea_popescu: otherwise most men can actually break the shit off.
decimation: basically, THIS if anything is the red thread of a putative "american nation". religious obscurantism divorced from religion per se. << Christians who had other ideas quickly 'got with program' < "Even so, despite the initial Americanization that had already taken place, further inroads were held at bay as German immigration kept increasing into the
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decimation: 1880s and the LCMS took measures to keep its German heritage, such as parochial schools in the German language. Such was broadly the case until World War I, which was the most-decisive occurrence Americanizing the LCMS. It was then we could no longer deny that we were Americans, since being German in America was then disdained. It was then that the American flag began to adorn God’s house, His Church, intermingling Church and
decimation: State. It was then we self-consciously began to relate ourselves to American Protestantism, and so patterned our public worship and viewed ourselves on that basis. "
asciilifeform: feet optional (why did 'dancing the hempen jig' go out of fashion ?)
chetty: <mircea_popescu> otherwise most men can actually break the shit off.// not usains
ben_vulpes: i'm fucking chowning /Library/Ruby to my user
ben_vulpes: bleeeeee
ben_vulpes: ran into a smart cookie of a babe last night
punkman: ben_vulpes: is that why rubyists love docker?
asciilifeform: chetty: complicated. at [censored] we got a shipment of zip ties in recently, and they break with one hand.
asciilifeform: progressively more chinese crud
ben_vulpes: when i explained to her why software as a career might be worse than working in a woodshop with limb loss risks etc, given the decades of shit and bad decisions i have to deal with on a daily basis
ben_vulpes: she said "ah like city planning in europe. this road goes off at 12 degrees because fuck you?"
ben_vulpes: precisely, dear.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lol didja bring her here for us to scare her off ?
ben_vulpes: nah i keep the girls away from you terrists.
punkman: ben_vulpes: road goes off at 12 degrees because not city plan at all
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they probably replaced the polymer.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes punkman road goes off at 12 degrees because FUCK YOU YOU WORK FOR US so you adapt to us. not the other way around. god dang it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnier still. the polymer's fine (pulled it with pliers and it stood)
mircea_popescu: this is like the complaint of hairdressers about unspherical heads.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ew.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but they botched the molding - the ratchet doesn't hold. it's almost as if someone made the injection mold dies from... an n-th generation zip tie
ben_vulpes: punkman: i could not tell you why rubyists like anything.
asciilifeform: we were tying low-voltage cabling, not necks, so nobody gave a fuck
mircea_popescu: "Properly speaking, there is no such thing as revenge. Revenge is an act which you want to commit when you are powerless and because you are powerless: as soon as the sense of impotence is removed, the desire evaporates also."
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mircea_popescu: check it out! jesus! orwell understands this much, but does not make the step to grasp that socialism is somethin you want when you're stupid, because you're stupid, and as your brain starts working you stop wanting it./
mircea_popescu: how in the world.
mircea_popescu: o wait. because stupid. okay.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember your article on how 'oceans of pussy' is something boy only wants when he's 14 and living in a cellar ?
mircea_popescu: i do, having written it.
asciilifeform: just like 'drinking an ocean' is something we only 'want' when thirsty
mircea_popescu: "i could eat a horse". "here you go"
asciilifeform: it isn't stupid as such
asciilifeform: just hungry
jurov: nothing sturdy enough for hangings available.. truly a demise of civilization
mircea_popescu: jurov slash reign of peace.
asciilifeform: jurov: the zip tie and the effete executioner of the future are a match made in heaven. no need to watch the victim struggle, dance. zip - next.
asciilifeform: there was something like this, iirc, depicted in the film 'clouds atlas'
mircea_popescu: where is that proposed vat
asciilifeform: where they kill the meat girl
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jurov: btw, i doubt they can get more effete than today
mircea_popescu: if someone feels like reading romanian horrors.
ben_vulpes: "post install message from httparty:"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what was that?
ben_vulpes: "when you httparty, you party hard"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ratcheting wire decapitator, slung around target's neck
asciilifeform: well yes
asciilifeform: but from where is the scene
asciilifeform: (the scheme itself dates to ancient china, as is well known)
punkman: asciilifeform: stupid movie called "The Counselor"
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asciilifeform: as for the hydraulic variant, who hasn't considered that.
punkman: I was wondering if anyone ever built multi-seat guillotine few days ago
mircea_popescu: you could have a replica of the piss fountain
mircea_popescu: except heads and blood fountain
ben_vulpes: punkman: yeah i guess now i try to docker this thing
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asciilifeform: i don't see any provisions for the infamous 'chin trigger' though
asciilifeform: were the legends a lie?!
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assbot: Logged on 22-02-2015 14:12:37; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: this is true but misleading : in fact you know the fiats will inflate to all shit. and you know start-ups will dilute to all shit. in absolutely no proportion to "Words added" or any other sort of metric. << Scary thing is the longer this goes on and the harder we look for news, the less news words there seem to be to write in my observation. As time goes on I hope pieces like 'Your Disk
mircea_popescu: it would seem that a correctly run news outlet turns more into's library than the gawker empire of shit.
mircea_popescu: << any other news site period. it's the goal here : make "fiat" news impossible.
assbot: Logged on 22-02-2015 14:13:45; *: BingoBoingo also offer that the qntra principles could likely drink any other "BTC News" venture under any table.
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mircea_popescu: "Articulate" has a certain meaning, look in the dictionary; it is fairly consistent throughout all settings except one: when it is used by a white guy to describe a black guy. In that case, the word suddenly means something completely different than it ordinarily does: it means "not hung up about race." Here's the point: the black guy may actually be articulate, or not be articulate-- who knows? But white people kno
mircea_popescu: w exactly what it means in that context.
mircea_popescu: uh... has this usage gone out of fashion in the past five years ? i'm completely unfamiliar with it.
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mircea_popescu: and for that matter, articulate does not mean a vague "able to express ideas clearly and effectively in speech or writing" a la webster. what it means is, "all words used according to their definition, so that the receptor does not have to make ANY adjustments to the text to turn it into 'probable' meaning".
mircea_popescu: generally, being articulate is the opposite of thinking there's such a thing as synonymy
asciilifeform: with tftp can go from changed netbsd kernel option, rebuild, run, in less than five seconds
asciilifeform: damn, feel like a moron for not having done this on first day
mircea_popescu gives asciilifeform pointed hat.
decimation: asciilifeform: does u-boot support tftp?
asciilifeform: decimation: mine does
asciilifeform: can't recall re: the crufty one it ships with
asciilifeform: iirc also yes
decimation: ah yes, that's sop in datacenters with pxe
asciilifeform: it also supports pxe-style bootp but that isn't needed here
danielpbarron: fw_setenv << how to use this?
mats: << luls. 'idk nething about security but i wanna create a security startup' and "I think that is an awesome idea. I am currently a Business student with a computer science minor so I consider myself very technical." (real quote)
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mircea_popescu: mats better than reddit.
mats: i wonder sometimes.
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decimation: mats: if you are on an intel cpu, that's the book to use to optimize your warez
asciilifeform: mats: for folks with crippled compilers ?
asciilifeform: gcc supports traditional inline asm
mats: why you gotta rain on my parade.
asciilifeform: val[63:0] := << lol
asciilifeform: wake me up when they say what HW_RND_GEN is.
asciilifeform: in some magically externally verifiable way
decimation: 'icc' actually works pretty well
decimation: if you are gonna be on the intel wagon, might as well use their tools
asciilifeform: mmm no.
asciilifeform: a closed-source compiler is even more of a circus-grade laugh than closed os
asciilifeform: belongs in the side show
asciilifeform: and nowhere else.
decimation: I get your point, but what if you are already on a closed-source microarchitecture?
asciilifeform: sorta like the argument that if there is already the usg-mandated maximum of xxx ppm of turd in your dinner, might as well go full-blown coprophagiac
mats: sure.
decimation: but asciilifeform, if you sell out to intel, your warez can go %x faster!
asciilifeform: if you actually need the x% gains from intel's fortran, or whatnot, you really ought to be doing hand asm optimizations of the bottleneck routines
asciilifeform: and spend lots of quality time with your profiler
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decimation: my understanding is that intel actually hires skilled folks from ru to hand-optimize their libraries
mircea_popescu: "In 1994, there were 20,000 visits for pediatric (under age 19) bipolar disorder. In 2003, the number was... 800,000. The diagnosis, therefore, was 25/100,000 in 1994, and now it's 1000/100,000. In other words, 1% of the population. "
asciilifeform: the kind of optimization i'm speaking of is not libraryizable
asciilifeform: but maximally unique to a particular problem
decimation: aye, understood
mircea_popescu: check it out, bipolar is a virus inf% more effective than ebola, nobody noticed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as he later explains (and ask any depressive patient from usa) it was so that pharma vendors could push patented antiepileptics (and even antipsychotics) to depressives
mircea_popescu: sure, but the advantage of "Science" and "facts" is that, you can build on their solid footing anything you wish.
mircea_popescu: the us MD crackpots are held to explain why the CDC is not going crazy over the bipolar virus yet.
mircea_popescu: such an increase can ONLY be viral. not even a bacteria can do that.
asciilifeform: we all know which 'virus'.
asciilifeform: it isn't any kind of secret from anyone.
mircea_popescu: we are not the subject. let THEM explain.
decimation: "Conclusion This meta-analysis yielded no evidence that the serotonin transporter genotype alone or in interaction with stressful life events is associated with an elevated risk of depression in men alone, women alone, or in both sexes combined."
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asciilifeform: 'their' job is not to explain anything, but to roll in the hookers and blow while plebes poison themselves
asciilifeform: (expensively!)
mircea_popescu: their job is whatever the fuck i say it is.
mircea_popescu: let's not get over ourselves here.
asciilifeform: whatever the fuck i say it is >> can that be wearing-zip-tie? though hydraulic chopper has its attractions
asciilifeform: because their current job - meh
mircea_popescu: first they gotta fail. then internalise it. then despair.
mircea_popescu: only THEN.
asciilifeform: not already failed ?
mircea_popescu: it's bad policy to kill people before they're completely squeezed of any possible anguish they could provide for themsleves.
mircea_popescu: yes we're in between 1 and 2, working on 2 atm.
decimation: ^above paper implies that treating depression by attempting to inhibit serotonin is useless
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2014 00:36:44; asciilifeform: interestingly, sometimes the pharma folks fail: they spent some years trying to cough up a dopamine reuptake inhibitor that doesn't reduce to a synthetic cocaine, and, afaik, gave up
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe they read #b-a for research 'ideas'
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2014 22:56:07; asciilifeform: you can get 'real' dopamine reuptake inhibitors - but in dark alley, not pharmacy.
asciilifeform: the entire american 'antidepressant' tech is a bizarre tour of the protestant mental pathology of 'mustn't have too much fun'
decimation: and yet, tomorrow millions of us inhabitants will be dispensed their placebos
asciilifeform: the pyre on which these defectives have been burning more or less whole planet for 200 yrs
danielpbarron: isn't caffeine such a thing?
asciilifeform: the engineering spec, not written anywhere, is 'drug must make patient less apt to complain but oughtn't be detectably pleasurable'
asciilifeform: hence the preference for handing out sedatives and drugs with sedative side effect profile
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron nah, caffeine works as a general stimulant
decimation: if caffeine were unknown and sudden discovered yesterday, it would be banned by the fda
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much the best way to indict anything in the anglotard space is 'but it's enjoyable"
danielpbarron sips his tea
asciilifeform: decimation: much as cathenone (similar naturally occurring item) was
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asciilifeform: ^ revoked in '10, interestingly
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^^^ can you comment on this drama ?
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ben_vulpes: "the approved method of installing rvm simply causes too many issues"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what's that do ?
asciilifeform: cathenone << there is a catha edulis in the u.s. national botanical garden. i saw it many times with own eyes. but, iirc, they don't have a cannabis sativa or any other 'forbidden fruit'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you're familiar with the "hot" "trend" of "containerization" in the linux space?
ben_vulpes: i honestly don't know what the technical difference between VMs and containerization is.
ben_vulpes: feels like a poor man's jail.
ben_vulpes: anyways, best as I can tell, the thing forgoes the entire ruby "version management" stack and installs some version of ruby.
asciilifeform: does the item running inside think it is on a genuine machine of its own ?
ben_vulpes: more or less, yes.
ben_vulpes: there are various and sundry privilege escalations and container escapes available, however.
asciilifeform: quite a few escapes for various vm have been found
asciilifeform: and this is only those that have been found.
asciilifeform: (interested folks - straight to the literature)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all the drama of divource court, now for internet consumption.
mircea_popescu: because hey, running out of cheap material.
asciilifeform: interesting only for the jurist/procedural quirks featured
mircea_popescu: only funny thing to me is that the anal children (they self identify as "radical" something or the other) actually have the unmitigated audacity to challenge the old ny jew.
decimation: asciilifeform: every time I went into the botanical garden I got terrible allergies
asciilifeform: decimation: guaranteed!
mircea_popescu: at least it's rather clear how exactly they plan to organise the exchange of power.
mircea_popescu: tbh gorbachev & co set had better strat, but anyway
asciilifeform: wai wat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do you think this is other than politburo change of guard ?
asciilifeform: ah then ancient sop
asciilifeform: clinton, etc
asciilifeform: new guard - same as old
asciilifeform: if i understand correctly.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: it's all a gulag for your mind.
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decimation: ^old guard has a strategy too
mircea_popescu: decimation unless they come out with "poor young girls are for the fucking', it does NOT have a strategy.
mircea_popescu: the only correct strategy in this situation is what the chinese did : round all the opposition up, shave their heads, parade them naked with legends.
decimation: what about 'we can raise $x bil from old men in the UAE
mircea_popescu: money is worthless without power.
mircea_popescu: this is why we regularly succeed where cardboard fiat "billionaires" fail.
asciilifeform: 'fail' seems to come with peculiarly much physical security and ample hookers&blow supply in that case
mircea_popescu: you have seen this ?
mircea_popescu: apparently there were no hookers "anywhere in sight" and the blow was from a sandblaster.
asciilifeform: can't say that saw alive. but i also haven't seen them sitting in rags covering their gangrenous limbs in the street, begging for coin
mircea_popescu: i have declaration at the ready : "In a statement accompanying the court filing, Mr. Dershowitz said the encounters could not have occurred for several reasons, including the one time he had visited Mr. Epstein’s house in New Mexico. The house was still under construction, and Mr. Dershowitz said he had stayed for about an hour. He was accompanied, he said, by his wife and daughter and another couple."
asciilifeform: instead i see them in the washington volkischer beobachter
mircea_popescu: with coke ?
asciilifeform: i can't see their cocks either
asciilifeform: but know they're in the pants
asciilifeform: don't need to see it, no ?
mircea_popescu: depends. if you don't discuss anything related to cocks, it doesn't matter. you don't know anything, but you also don't care.
mircea_popescu: would you hire them for your gay porn studio, sight unseen ?
mircea_popescu: "o but i knew cocks in pants" ?
asciilifeform: in press devoted to the subject, the lives of the kleptocrats can be seen - islands, castles, idiot 'foundations', etc
asciilifeform: (must confess i'm not up to date on this literature)
asciilifeform: ask a female usian
mircea_popescu: i think your summaries may have deceived you.
asciilifeform: not out of the question
decimation: mircea_popescu: are you asserting that these islands and castles don't exist? or that they are ultimately worthless baubles?
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mircea_popescu: i am asserting that they're for actually powerful men (such as, russian billionaires) not for american aparatards.
mircea_popescu: when someone as high up as a four star general dares do as much as get a meaningless title for an old ugly she-horse, he gets beheaded for it.
mircea_popescu: what hookers ? what blow ?
asciilifeform: beheaded the day he did it? week later? or when superior ordered it for unrelated reason.
mircea_popescu: you think there exists a meta-usg that enjoys life like there exists a meta-nsa that enjoys thinking ?
mircea_popescu: it's a bureaucracy, not a fucking world. they don't have most things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that woman doesn't look like what the average brothel goer would consider.
asciilifeform: but what do the folks with unaccountable $maxint in bank, whose names never appear in the beobachter, do with their time ?
asciilifeform: pull own cock ?
decimation: heh. well, the world of official usg is quite different from the world of finance for which usg provides a krysha
mircea_popescu: he only went with her for EXACTLY the same problem you were describing for yourself earlier,
asciilifeform: and if so - why ?
mircea_popescu: but somehow magically are unaware it's not limited to you.
mircea_popescu: where the fuck is he going to find the wot that'll get him the 19 yo hussies that love being fucked in public ?
asciilifeform: it only exists for me because all i can personally bankroll is a plane ticket but not any of what comes after
asciilifeform: but - them ?
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, they pull on their own cock. what do you do with your own time ? blow much ?
asciilifeform: correct if i'm thick, but $maxint will buy a whore or two ?
asciilifeform: of whatever octane grade
asciilifeform: without having to bid
asciilifeform: as in, let it be known that you have $maxint
mircea_popescu: no, it will not.
mircea_popescu: 20 bucks buys a whore or two. depends for whom.
asciilifeform: they aren't all old men
asciilifeform: (do whores now forgo old men? who even goes to whores now?)
assbot: Spitzer Prostitute Details: $80,000 Spent, Mood Music, Multiple Prostitutes, Up To A Decade Of Use And An Ever-Present Security Detail ... ( )
asciilifeform: there we go.
asciilifeform: herr spitzer's whore.
decimation: he paid a couple $k per night apparently
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mircea_popescu: you know how this goes, right ?
mircea_popescu: or what, we suddenly have memory hole effect, we forgot about all the lies in filings, starting with the "confiscated btc" that never existed ?
assbot: Photos Of Eliot Spitzer's Hooker | The Smoking Gun ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ supposed
asciilifeform wasn't there, didn't see him fuck
decimation: lol she had a myspace page
mircea_popescu: notbad.jpg
asciilifeform: spitzer et al probably account for lion's share of my mental picture of usg elite
thestringpuller: "Meet 'Kristen,' the 22-year-old woman who brought down the governor" << LOL so dramatic
asciilifeform: and yes, everyone knows that below each spitzer there are 100,000 faceless shmucks who go home to cry in beer
asciilifeform: and fuck dolls
thestringpuller: ^- is this america now?!?
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asciilifeform: from the other side of the pond, it is known with some certainty that brezhnev had not only all of the racing cars he could wish for, but gurlz whenever he could still get it up
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is not the important point.
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mircea_popescu: the important point is that should anyone have had as much as anything at all to say about it, he'd be cutting ice in front of the lenin icebreaker
jurov: apparently tsar nicholas arranged a business with lincoln
jurov: and borrowed 1000 tons of gold to that purpose
ben_vulpes: re "brought down the governor", kitzhaber had one of these recently:
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decimation: jurov: is that why the tsar sold alaska for a pittance?
jurov: but rothshilds stole it and caused general havoc
jurov: alaska is not mentioned
ben_vulpes: he also ran his personal emails through state servers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually, disgraced soviet bureaucrats (usually posthumous - see hruschev's speech re: l. beria) had 'rapacious daily rapist' tags nailed on
asciilifeform: with juicy tabloid-grade legends told via official microphones
mircea_popescu: but the timing is allimportant.
decimation: or they were disappeared from pictures right
asciilifeform: same timing here. herr spitzer was defrocked, out come the rape stories
asciilifeform: or equiv.
mircea_popescu: i dunno...
asciilifeform: jurov taken to reading ru tabloids regularly ?
jurov: i keep getting fed them via facebook
mircea_popescu: he's preparing for the great progress.
asciilifeform: jurov's facebook full of dyspeptic middle aged ru folks ?
jurov: no.
decimation: jurov clicked "like" on "putin please don't invade slovenia"?
jurov: it's starry eyed putinjugend
mircea_popescu: actual people or just fb dead souls ?
jurov: actual ppl
asciilifeform: jurov: those have own publications, normally, full of meticulously chromed rockets of various shapes
asciilifeform: in one of these, it was recently claimed that БЖРК is back
asciilifeform: (railroad-based nuke-thrower)
asciilifeform: ^ can't see in this shot, but the middle car has eight axles instead of the usual four
decimation: asciilifeform: I never figured out why these went out of fashion
asciilifeform: still would've bent the rails if there were not a clever system of springs to spread weight to adjacent cars
asciilifeform: decimation: they didn't. usa spent $maxint trying to copy, but then changed their mind when realized they have scarcely any railroads
jurov: hehe
asciilifeform: so instead they went to ru after the ussr croaked and ordered these things sawed apart on camera
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah sounds legit
decimation: actually usa has plenty of railroads, but none of them are open for usg to roam freely
asciilifeform: there is a legend, based on released usg docs of reasonable plausibility, that usg knew where the trains were at various times by sneaking neutron counters into passenger/cargo rail
asciilifeform: open for usg to roam freely << the rocket train was disguised (thinly) as a cargo train and went on ordinary rail
asciilifeform: mixed freely with usual trains
asciilifeform: << the new model is claimed to use a smaller rocket and be externally identical to a passenger car
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asciilifeform: (smaller but same range, claimed.)
asciilifeform: lighter payload.
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asciilifeform: << ru closes their equivalent of u.s. DEA on mar 1.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> decimation: they didn't. usa spent $maxint trying to copy, but then changed their mind when realized they have scarcely any railroads << so lulzy this.
asciilifeform: official story was 'budget overrun'
mircea_popescu: "most civilised country in the civilised world, has no railroads and most of demographics replenishment comes out of cosanguine marriages"
mircea_popescu: "welcome to 1700, you're doing pretty well!"
asciilifeform: comes from south of border, actually
asciilifeform: so not even 1700 state of the art
decimation: if you look at any map of the us circa 1880 or earlier all you see are railroads
mircea_popescu: that's exogenous. i was talking endogenous
decimation: then if you look at maps over time, the railroads disappear roughly 1940, to be replaced with national highways
asciilifeform: endogenous - from the rookeries
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danielpbarron: the train around where i live only exists because of subsidies; it's stupidly inexpensive to ride, and yet most people still prefer their cars
danielpbarron: when i had an office job, i used the train to commute; the monthly pass cost ~120 USD and I didn't even have to pay this; my employer got money from the state for covering this cost -- probably some misguided attempt to protect the environment or cut down on traffic
chetty: US transport is horridly set up, people prefer cars cause train and bus stations are in bad locations with no useful taxi service
ben_vulpes: i do love the pubtrans in my socialist paradise.
danielpbarron: i was within biking distance at both ends -- luck i guess
ben_vulpes: what is biking distance anyways?
ben_vulpes: .5 mi?
ben_vulpes: 2 mi?
ben_vulpes: people are fucking lazy.
danielpbarron: 5 to 10 minutes
danielpbarron: it was actually a 10 to 20 minute walk on one of the ends
ben_vulpes: re submaring/aircraftcarrier thread:
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chetty: oh and us has lack of sidewalks too, half the time you cant walk without risking life on roadsides
danielpbarron: in CT you run the risk of getting harassed by COPS for daring to take a walk somewhere
danielpbarron: walking ~= homeless
danielpbarron: if you want to avoid suspicion, wear yoga pants and jog
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thestringpuller: danielpbarron: Only the homeless would be willing to brave the snow to walk somewhere...
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mircea_popescu: !up Ginux
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mats: not so big a deal since Windows Defender is now taking care of it, but nonetheless
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danielpbarron: mwahaha; i got the netconsole thing to work!
danielpbarron: in the same process, I got it to boot from a memory card
danielpbarron: and i'd like to now try using a USB3 flash drive as the datadir
danielpbarron: the memory card is required in combination with USB3 because the thing cannot have a root filesystem on drives attached to the ports on the rear, and the usb on the top (next to the sata port) is USB2
danielpbarron: but when the netbsd thing is ready to go, the memory card should not be necessary
danielpbarron: and if anyone has a pogo already and doesn't want to wait, i'd say go with debian over arch; right off the bat it looks like there's no systemd with debian
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu it's not russian ye kook, it's the hammer and sickle sign << i meant this! комсомольская правда!
pete_dushenski: hammer and sickle is... hammer and sickle
mircea_popescu: komsomolskaya pravda /
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pete_dushenski: that'd be the one
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: re: << from front page of bitcoin-tardland: "This project is completely open-source and I take 0 profit from it. Please note that there are more cost-effective ways of deploying full nodes and I mention that in the FAQs. This website is an experiment and an excersize on automatically deploying nodes when a certain balance is reached"
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller mya?
pete_dushenski: kake's code doesn't work anymore
pete_dushenski: last time i tried it at least
assbot: 'I Want To Wage Jihad But I Don't Have A Thing To Wear' -- Western IS Wannabes Ask Burning Questions ... ( )
assbot: pankkake / bitcoin-node / source / — Bitbucket ... ( )
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: ah i was referring to
pete_dushenski: a i see they're back
pete_dushenski: their site was down last i checked
pete_dushenski: a whopping 66 nodes ! wowee!
punkman: thestringpuller: when did assbot start ignoring your links
punkman: kinda confusing to see log link without assbot spitting out the line
thestringpuller: !gettrust kakobrekla thestringpuller
assbot: Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user thestringpuller: Level 1: -1, Level 2: 8 via 6 connections. | |
asciilifeform: << who is not with us, is against us.
pete_dushenski: there's no shortage of that "in bitcoin"
asciilifeform: also wtf with calling a vps fakecomputer 'full node'
asciilifeform: may as well run one node and give it 10,000 spam ip addrs
thestringpuller: Blow up the datacenter, good bye nodes.
asciilifeform: also didn't that thing appear around the same time as 'fakenode' (?) was published ?
asciilifeform: pseudonode.
thestringpuller: i think fullnode is a little older than pseudonode
pete_dushenski: o what words mean things now ?
asciilifeform: is it having any sizeable listing older than pseudonode ?
thestringpuller: it was before pankakke ragequit?
asciilifeform: speaking of, anyone know what became of herr pankkake ?
pete_dushenski: he's been even quiter than thickasthieves
asciilifeform: and did anyone ever come up with a logical explanation for his rage ?
pete_dushenski: tat still seems to do the twitter thing
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform ya, he didn't like the flavour of punch we were serving
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i think pseudonode is kinda like and more of a comedy measure and not srsbsns
asciilifeform observes that it is not necessary to drink the punch to enjoy the company
pete_dushenski: but you're not french
mats: while we're on the subject, pankkake on fullnode:
assbot: is a scam | pankkake ... ( )
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: pseudonode works as printed on the tin
punkman: pseudonode also useful for DoS experiments and such
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: still not srsbsns tho! it's a joke!
thestringpuller: don't be kanye, nao.
asciilifeform: the joke's on naive node counters
thestringpuller: ^- exactly that's why it's funny!
pete_dushenski: are there non-naive node counters ? or a way to count nodes non-naively ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39150 @ 0.0004039 = 15.8127 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28190 @ 0.00040818 = 11.5066 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu socialism is somethin you want when you're stupid, because you're stupid, and as your brain starts working you stop wanting it./ << lol so money.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> may as well run one node and give it 10,000 spam ip addrs << you wrecker, you!
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> may as well run one node and give it 10,000 spam ip addrs << this is part of the problem, and why the 61 figure is an upper bound
mircea_popescu: plenty of perfectly legitimately netops reasons to show the same server on multiple - and perhaps changing - ips
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot pankkake
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user pankkake: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 6 via 6 connections. | |
mircea_popescu: apparently quitting doesn't actually do anything.
thestringpuller: Mafia-eque
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I guess if the boys still play with Cartman, despite...
mircea_popescu: << sheeit, apparently garbage still exists.
assbot: Garbage - When I Grow Up - YouTube ... ( )
mircea_popescu: << finally found the right fucking version.
assbot: Garbage - When I Grow Up (Live) - YouTube ... ( )
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with people, bowdlerisation of everytrhing everywhere all the fucking time.
mircea_popescu: obscure grunge-pop band from wisconsin, they re-release their pre 2000 songs to sound like shit. and not sort-of like shit. actually fucking shit, audibly so. you don't even have to be an opera critic with 20 different mezzo and coloratura sopranos under your belt.
assbot: Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Reaches Yet Another ATH | ... ( )
pete_dushenski: go bitcoin!
pete_dushenski: though 'ath' parses quite a bit like defunct 'atc' but that's probably just me
ben_vulpes: or atf
cazalla: i unno, i figured it was obvious
cazalla: at least in the context of qntra and having used all time high and ath a few times before in qntra articles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9281 @ 0.00040818 = 3.7883 BTC [+]
cazalla: pete_dushenski, don't you know that variety speak? :P
pete_dushenski: lol still learning apparently
pete_dushenski: which reminds me that i've been meaning to do a variety speak guide for noobs...
pete_dushenski: it's just... there's so many goddam words and phrases
pete_dushenski: it'd be a textbook
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14125 @ 0.00040437 = 5.7117 BTC [-]
cazalla: mebe ath is more a gamer thing, for example, muh dps hit an ath
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00040818 = 3.8573 BTC [+]
assbot: In defense of wealthy politicians. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
pete_dushenski: that they need any defense at all should be a red flag to society
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00040818 = 6.0411 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4034 @ 0.00040437 = 1.6312 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 344740 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 2011 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 5 hours, 31 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44645581059.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.36719
assbot: Rally 'round the white flag ... ( )
BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1
indiancandy1: does anyone kno anything about
indiancandy1: bots that increase hits on utube
BingoBoingo: I don't know much more than they apparently exist
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.00040818 = 20.4906 BTC [+]
cazalla: indiancandy1, can probably be had for cheap on fiverr
cazalla: you'll also be needing a time machine to go back to 2008 for when youtube ranked videos solely on views alone
BingoBoingo: !up aegis
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00040818 = 2.7756 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up starzz_
starzz_: thank you
starzz_: if I have been everified in bitcoin-otc does that translate to bitcoin assets
BingoBoingo: starzz_: It does with gribble, but for voice here you need to send assbot !up
BingoBoingo: starzz_: Also you probably want to go to #freenode and request a cloak, some asshole intermittently runs a DoS bot here
BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1
indiancandy1: im not doinit for utube ranking
indiancandy1: im doing it 4
indiancandy1: i wanna do a twerk video
indiancandy1: then di news around it
indiancandy1: 3mill hit in 3days
ben_vulpes: do it in the nude, only way to get that kind of traffic.
indiancandy1: it wont go on thew news
indiancandy1: media wont pick it up
indiancandy1: if its nude
ben_vulpes: you're competing with kim kardashian, after all.
ben_vulpes: tell that to kim.
indiancandy1: has media on payroll
indiancandy1: i dont
BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: You know how she got them on payroll...
indiancandy1: but kim initially had money
indiancandy1: i dont
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00040818 = 8.8983 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: such sexcuses.
BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: No she didn't. Not until she made that flick with Ray J
indiancandy1: her dad
indiancandy1: was oj simpsons attorney
indiancandy1: she came from a middle class family
indiancandy1: the porn did help
indiancandy1: she sold it for 5mill
indiancandy1: but she had money b4
ben_vulpes: you gotta drop this "can't do anything cuz no money lol" attitude and focus on getting some money.
indiancandy1: i need hits
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indiancandy1: so the media wil pick it
indiancandy1: ytview chargs 6000 dollars
danielpbarron: you are getting hits right now..
indiancandy1: for 3million
ben_vulpes: don't fuck around trying to get the attention of interns in tv companies, that's not going to fly.
indiancandy1: whose on instagram btw
ben_vulpes: go fuck a television company executive, wrap him around your finger, leverage like that.
indiancandy1: i have a publicist
indiancandy1: but the media wont pick it up
indiancandy1: if its not like wow
indiancandy1: 2mill hits in 3days
indiancandy1: kinda thing
indiancandy1: unless i pay
indiancandy1: the media
indiancandy1: and tats costly
danielpbarron: can you try to condense your thoughts into single lines?
BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: Have you considered dating a rapper?
BingoBoingo: Works for Kim
indiancandy1: no rappers in uk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5961 @ 0.0004118 = 2.4547 BTC [+]
indiancandy1: whose on instagram
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: wealthy politicians << u.s. folks perhaps remember perot ? interesting fella
pete_dushenski: ;;google ross perot
gribble: Ross Perot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; H. Ross Perot - Famous Texans: <>; Ross Perot - Biography - Business Leader - <>
pete_dushenski: 'computer billionaire'
asciilifeform: usg billionaire
pete_dushenski: bon soir!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.0004118 = 1.5031 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1
punkman: indiancandy1: no rappers in uk << plenty of them but they are all poor
punkman: on the other hand, London's full of people with way too much money
TheNewDeal: ;;Bids 216.9
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 4390.3307 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 993477.3393 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0440 seconds
decimation: < Bill Nye identifies 'regular software writers' as kulaks "We have this top tier [of scientists] in the U.S., the people who graduated from Stanford, from Berkeley, from MIT, Cornell. Those people are still exceptional and really good. But we have this enormous gap between that and
assbot: Just Asking: The Science Guy Bill Nye gets hot - The Washington Post ... ( )
decimation: just regular software writers
decimation: and farmers and people that need to be scientifically literate."
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 236.5, vol: 7821.09675746 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 230.106, vol: 7852.57648 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 237.07, vol: 31142.23300928 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 235.8784, vol: 138020.38710000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 235.0, vol: 21.3968592 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 233.964227, vol: 77.03579533 | Volume-weighted last average: 235.85934577
TheNewDeal: ;;Ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.98, Best ask: 236.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.77000, Last trade: 236.88, 24 hour volume: 7857.00240715, 24 hour low: 232.48, 24 hour high: 247.0, 24 hour vwap: 237.411802714
nubbins`: re: uboot on pogo
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 how goes ho!
asciilifeform: nubbins`: hm?
assbot: Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( )
asciilifeform: nubbins`: yes, i think it was linked here a while ago
asciilifeform presently investigating why netbsd does not correctly initialize sata or sd controllers
mircea_popescu: !up dek_
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13048 @ 0.00040876 = 5.3335 BTC [-]
indiancandy1: hey mp bae
indiancandy1: i miss u
dek_: hello
mircea_popescu: so where's your twerking vid ?
mircea_popescu: how goes dek_
mats: hm, i learned today you can prepend your prompt with a ':' and have a ';' at the end, it will ignore whats in between so you can just copy and paste lines right from your terminal
danielpbarron: nubbins`, did you ever get that to work?
nubbins`: danielpbarron yeah, it's serving up files via smb right now
danielpbarron: oh.. but not bitcoind ?
nubbins`: no, actually useful enough around the house that i'll need to get a second one for tinkering
danielpbarron: bitcoind: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/ version `GLIBCXX_3.4.20' not found (required by bitcoind)
nubbins`: well, wait now.
nubbins`: didn't alf post some binaries to the ml?
nubbins`: danielpbarron +1
danielpbarron: and that's after i added a 'testing' repository to the sources list and upgraded libc
mircea_popescu: nubbins`> no, actually useful enough around the house that i'll need to get a second one for tinkering << ahahaha
BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1
danielpbarron: not that this is even what's gonna be used ultimately; i thought i'd just try it out real quick and it ended up becoming an obsession
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: those were -wrong-
nubbins`: yeah
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 344752 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 1999 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 21 hours, 31 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48520572098.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.93321
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: use mod6's recipe for building -properly- static ones
nubbins`: you're not trying to compile it on the pogo itself, are you?
danielpbarron: i'm using the binary i cross-compiled on my gentoo machine
nubbins`: okay, was gonna say.. 8)
danielpbarron: the same binary that works on ArchLinux
asciilifeform: incidentally, seems like all the bsd folks disable the cpu cache on pogo
asciilifeform: i'd like to learn why
asciilifeform: but see also:
asciilifeform: !s the lifeboat mutiny
assbot: 2 results for 'the lifeboat mutiny' :
asciilifeform: ^ on the pitfalls of reconnecting that which has been yanked
nubbins`: is the pitfall incomplete search results?
nubbins`: o, wait. there we go.
mod6: this was never actually posted publically yet. there is some very strange bjam error that doesn't allow the bash script to continue automatically. if one runs it, then you'll have to comment out the build lines for openssl, bdb, and boost and re-run.
mod6: I can post it if you wanna use it though. the hope was to have a fixed one here by sometime next week.
asciilifeform: post plz
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1: but she had money b4 << girl's done her homework.
BingoBoingo: Less than 6 months left for 0.7.2 WTF to finish syncing
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what machine ?
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1: ytview chargs 6000 dollars << you're prolly going to end up stuck around that sort of price, quarter cent per k, whatever.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Pedestrian AMD powered laptop AMD E-350 CPU
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's the actual transfer rate ?
asciilifeform: on the wire
mod6: sorry, damn hotel wireless keeps dropping me like every 90 seconds.
danielpbarron: so is it possible that i need to recompile my bitcoind, and this debian install is just fine? and for some reason ArchLinux doesn't mind?
asciilifeform: is it connecting preferentially to nodes in afghanistan, ip over dead goat ?
mod6 is on-the-road
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: if i had build that thing properly static, it would not be an issue
nubbins`: dgoip
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I honestly and humbly lack the faculties of knowledge necessary to determine such
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: have you tried restricting it to one known-good node on the lan to sync from ?
mircea_popescu: decimation: Bill Nye identifies 'regular software writers' << afaik this view was never controversial. i was kinda surprised to see people react to my ocasional statement to the effect with total shock.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nope, syncing "in the wild" to make sure it can. Looking like it will be a sub 2 week sync time so happy with that
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo et al: the way i'm thinking now, the 'sync from one node at a time' thing will have to be killed with fire before 0.5.3/pogo (or otherwise) is given to civilians
asciilifeform: just like the memory leak
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems so
asciilifeform: because having it there - it is just unforgivable idiocy
mod6: the static build script seems to exit after line 53 for some reason, haven't had time to debug. if one should figure out a workaround/fix/patch for that, that'd be much appreciated. otherwise I can fix myself when I'm back.
mircea_popescu: problem is... not that straughtforward fix
asciilifeform: aha, requires sewing not only ripping
asciilifeform: ripping - easy
mod6: be advised that lines 4, 6 & 8 of that script need to be tuned to your local environment!
mod6: :]
asciilifeform: bad enough that i'm apparently chasing a low-level bit diddling bug in a sata driver for a godforsaken chip on a godforsaken os
asciilifeform: how did i fall into such a life.
asciilifeform: and would any of you care to do this instead
mircea_popescu: man with young children. "how did i fall into such a life!"
mircea_popescu: cuz you liked teh woman, foo.
nubbins`: sadly, the cheapest pogo a canadian can land is $25usd
nubbins`: still notu badu
asciilifeform: nubbins`: and which one was that
mod6: anyway, the foundation will publish a polished script sometime during the first few weeks of march.
nubbins`: blue "mobile", no lid. ebay.
mod6: sorry I didn't get a chance to clean that up before I left.
assbot: Pogoplug Pogo V4 A1 01 Mobile FOR PC MAC AND Iphone Ipad 850877002290 | eBay ... ( )
nubbins`: er no removable lid
asciilifeform: nubbins`: sata-less
nubbins`: right, someone mentioned the exercise in patience i have awaiting me
nubbins`: ~$35usd for sata-ful
asciilifeform: nubbins`: can't order from usian 'amazon' ?
mod6: for the vi-impared, if you run the script as-is, and you hit that weird issue as I did, simply start up vi and run this
mod6: :35,53 s/^/#/
asciilifeform: or killer postage cost
nubbins`: well, no, maybe the same
mod6: then :wq and re-run the script
nubbins`: asciilifeform most electronic items simply do not offer a checkout button for canadians
danielpbarron: what is shipping from US to CA?
nubbins`: danielpbarron insanely cheap for everything but electronics.
asciilifeform: i've never had problems getting items from ca
nubbins`: phun phact, we order most of our paper from brooklyn
danielpbarron: how would they know?
danielpbarron: i mean from me to you
nubbins`: how would the shippers know?
nubbins`: the customs form, i guess
nubbins`: i don't think there's any special duty or anything, just american electronics websites usually charge limbs to .ca
nubbins`: you mailing me ten packaged pogos would raise eyebrows at customs
danielpbarron: eh, unless you're getting more than one it's probably not worth it anyway for just 15 bucks
nubbins`: yeah
mircea_popescu: so i'm banning both clam shitcoin and cryptsy from bitbet. anyone want to argue either ?
mod6: last note: this is all predicated on the fact that one would have run the v0.0.8 perl script to patch the R.I. So you might need to alter line 62 to point to the correct bitcoin build directory.
nubbins`: it really is only like another $8 for the purple logo'd one, hey?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> so i'm banning both clam shitcoin and cryptsy from bitbet. anyone want to argue either ? << Surprised Cryptsy didn't hit the shitlist earlier
asciilifeform: what even was it...
nubbins`: i feel like i have a sata drive from my last laptop somewhere
mircea_popescu: me too. i guess nobody cared.
nubbins`: it drank a beer
danielpbarron: that's the idea / that most people probably have a harddrive they can rip out of an old laptop
nubbins`: danielpbarron in fact, if i order two pogos on ebay, it automatically adds import charges
nubbins`: one pogo, no charges
nubbins`: dem regulations
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: that was precisely why i wanted the sata feature, yes
danielpbarron: how much would 2 cost you?
nubbins`: overall slightly cheaper per unit than ordering one
danielpbarron: even with the extra charge?
nubbins`: added import charges, marginally higher shipping cost
danielpbarron: fwiw, my profession is shipping/recieving
danielpbarron: specifically LTL
mircea_popescu: haha cool.
BingoBoingo sees need for WoT endorsed BTC courier service. If in 2 years does not exist and BTCexchange rate/Qntra workload stabilizes may consider
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.0004118 = 5.0446 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: might be one of those 'requires fortress' things
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron srsly, mayhap make a business out of it ? btc clearance warehouse
danielpbarron: i had that idea last year
mircea_popescu: "ship me anything you want, ask for anything you want"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right. Obstacle is pricing drug fucks out of service.
mircea_popescu: add a storage service to it, etc.
mircea_popescu: "leaving the us to go chase the republic ? ship me your shit. ill store or sell it"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wot only.
asciilifeform: bitmule
nubbins`: danielpbarron hmm
nubbins`: what can we work out here :D
mircea_popescu: !up dek_
BingoBoingo: mod6: You know once 0.5.3.x stabilizes there's probably an opportunity for driving utilization by submitting it to various *BSD Ports trees as bitcoind-LTS
mircea_popescu: implying anyone but us uses bsd
BingoBoingo: Well, appliance use of various BSD's is not uncommon
asciilifeform: i can already picture 'teh phyootur' where the ada-on-bare-metal meta-foundation(tm) is laughing at us
mircea_popescu: how ? we'd just join.
BingoBoingo: Old desktop + OpenBSD pf = loadbalancer sort of thing/
BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i can already picture 'teh phyootur' where the ada-on-bare-metal meta-foundation(tm) is laughing at us << Irony of USG sponsored Ada saving the world from C is delicious
asciilifeform: earlier usg
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not so much earlier as to be alien or ancient. I mean they were propping up dementia guy from the TV ads as a figurehead
asciilifeform: (also can talk about att being every bit as 'usg' as any ministry, at the time of being a national telecom megamonopoly)
mircea_popescu: gunnery sargeant hartmann usg
asciilifeform: orwell more or less spot on - nothing happened in the 20th c. except as nominally decreed in some mega-empire or other
mircea_popescu: like btc.
asciilifeform: in the loose sense where what happened at bell had anything to do with the throne
mircea_popescu: o sorry you said 20th
assbot: Google Discussiegroepen ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ what i'm seeing with my entire collection of sata drives
asciilifeform: netbsd is unusable unless+until this is fixed
asciilifeform: on pogo.
BingoBoingo: !up hanbot
BingoBoingo: !up paxtoncamaro91
indiancandy1: im watchin a movie
indiancandy1: rocknrola
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42461 @ 0.00041362 = 17.5627 BTC [+] {3}
[]bot: Bet created: "BTC to top $413 before Songkran"
[]bot: Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $413 before Songkran" Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.6 BTC. Current weight: 99,998.
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Question Isn't Why Do Babies Do It ... ( )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah, no those books aren't albums. Just pulp. Titles on the spines look great on the bookshelf though. Cover art isn't bad either
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wtf, i'd fail this test even now. who's to say that 'climber' is really being 'helped' by being pushed up
asciilifeform: and this is supposed to be clear to a baby ?
mircea_popescu: it's fucking stupid is whjat it is
ben_vulpes: y'r thinkin too hard, alf
asciilifeform: it's rubbish
mircea_popescu: it IS clear to a baby, but only because babies are retards.
asciilifeform: unadulterated rubbish
ben_vulpes: it's supposed to validate the underlying thesis.
mircea_popescu: this neoprotestant platonic pedophilia is outright obscene
mircea_popescu: ESPECIALLY in the context of how agitated they are about fucking children.
nubbins`: why did this guy stop updating his blog
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Hipsters On Food Stamps, Part 1 ... ( )
mircea_popescu: alf's forced theory is that he got paid infinity whores & blows to run all the meta-usg
nubbins`: how pedestrian an end
mircea_popescu: even if that happened... he's not actually good enough.
asciilifeform: nah gewagenen
nubbins`: prolly got fed up and moved to the woods
mircea_popescu: listen, there's not that much hr available. given your other beliefs you are required to believe he's the lizard hitler now.
nubbins`: i wonder what book /he/ took
mircea_popescu: nubbins` shaw
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asciilifeform: neh, his reptilian majesty is too pumped on meth and playing 'space invaders' with live gurlz to be tlp
mircea_popescu: guy admits to being a drunk...
asciilifeform: stalins don't drink. only yeltsins drink
asciilifeform: or at least, take to drink
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> guy admits to being a drunk... << Most drunks do. Drunks are braggarts.
mircea_popescu: notice that there's no space for lizard hitler being any kind of stalin.
BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1
asciilifeform: but sure, the lizarditude of the observable universe is a bit much to fit in a man-sized bucket. sorta like the apparent limit to achievable magnetic field density..
indiancandy1: im buyin 1000 instagram followers
indiancandy1: for 5 dollars
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: why?!
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: at least read 'Spam Like A Pro In 21 Days' first.
indiancandy1: whats that
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo re the name, i definitely got that one pat. no romanian's ever going to be a contender. and that mircea chick really faded after a brief moment of fame
indiancandy1: spam like a pro
danielpbarron: i tried to buy twitter followers on the silk road once, but canceled when the guy couldn't decrypt the GPG message containing the username (not for my account / i was trying to freak out an associate of mine who takes twitter way too seriously despite having only 50 followers)
mircea_popescu: which, coincidentally or not, centers on me writing an article about her
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I dunno, that artist and his blawg...
indiancandy1: wat is spam like a pro
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 basically he's saying this is a full time job and you won't be seeing any roi as an amateur
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asciilifeform: dear kiyohara takashi, wtf. sincerely,
asciilifeform: everyone
BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: Return on Investment
danielpbarron: indiancandy1, btw -- bought followers are worthless; they don't get you impressions or engagements. it just makes the number on your profile look big (so what)
mircea_popescu: return on investment
indiancandy1: 3pound
indiancandy1: is not a loss
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: do you drive a car? when you go to a petrol pump, do you pay them to fill your tank? or to wind your gauge to 'full' by hand ?
indiancandy1: i dont drive
asciilifeform: could be why having problem grasping the concept
mircea_popescu: well, she's trying to do something. which in principle is sane, better do something than nothing at all.
asciilifeform: nobody alive does 'nothing at all'
indiancandy1: aww mp sticking up 4 me
asciilifeform: everybody's trying 'something'
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mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 you got twitch ? or how the fuck is that ipad dating app called
indiancandy1: twich?
indiancandy1: never heard of it
indiancandy1: im not down with the cool kids
mircea_popescu: ;;google wtf is that stupid ipad dating app called
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tinder
indiancandy1: tell me more
asciilifeform: mats described it here
indiancandy1: no i dont do u ?
danielpbarron: #LeftSwipeDat
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 : buy borrow or steal an ipad ; install tinder ; go out wtih ALL the guys, insist they promote you on their social media.
danielpbarron: the app is so popular, the truth anti-smoking ads assume you're already familiar with it
mircea_popescu: do at least 3 a day, that's 20 a week. a month later you got mommentum plus enough dining out experience to start your own cooking blog
indiancandy1: ur so funny
danielpbarron has never seen, let alone used tinder
mircea_popescu: im not joking.
indiancandy1: is it for casual sex
mircea_popescu: yes. it's for casual sex with geeky derps.
BingoBoingo: Swipe right every day, #YesAllWomen
danielpbarron: hahahaha
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's rich, lol. rather like saying that spam is for nigerians to become millionaires
danielpbarron: wait is that not a joke.. is that what that hashtag meant?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i bet you that if she had the mettle to obey me exactly she'd have that viral she wants.
asciilifeform: quite likely
mircea_popescu: the problem is, you don't get the girl in a position to execute without the basement halfyear.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Not a joke.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: The statement preceeding the hashtag is literally what the hashtag is all about
indiancandy1: nigerians do yahoo yahoo it involves witchcraft
indiancandy1: there are actually witchdoctors that specialise in this 419 thing
asciilifeform: since we're on the subject, could someone enlighten me re: how 'tinder' does anything once the counterparties meet in the flesh?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it provides structure for the conversation.
indiancandy1: it works on gprs
indiancandy1: so basically seeking locals
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> since we're on the subject, could someone enlighten me re: how 'tinder' does anything once the counterparties meet in the flesh? << Not in its spec. Hands this off to wetware
mircea_popescu: you're not going to say "how bout those metz" not because you're not dumb enough to do that, which you are, but because you're not smart enough to think ot the metz.
asciilifeform: but that's the actual mega-problem
mircea_popescu: so you're stuck being in the same space.
cazalla: nothing worse than a woman enthral by her iphone, i'd bet the tinder girls are much worse
indiancandy1: it should be called seeking locals
cazalla: i would do the twitch thing tbh, tinder dating you are capped at one man per date, twitch is unlimited
indiancandy1: its for people who just want casual sex
indiancandy1: and this days most of society just want that
BingoBoingo: <indiancandy1> it should be called seeking locals << This is why you suck at spam 101
asciilifeform: see also the wunderwaffen thread:
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indiancandy1: i dont spam
BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: I know. It's jsut actual descriptive names don't ever go viral
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now imagine if on top of all this "important" stuff, she also had the fucking receiver bolt : "for every missing one, you get ten lashes. each day."
asciilifeform: my understanding was that 'tinder' etc. could only boost the guy's chances because the gurl arrives pre-initialized
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> my understanding was that 'tinder' etc. could only boost the guy's chances because the gurl arrives pre-initialized << Does it need to do more?
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, the app helps in that it isn't aimed at establishing long-term relationships; you can already have a new one-night-stand ready for when you're done with the current one
indiancandy1: it should be called sluts r us
indiancandy1: ahahahahahahah
cazalla: indiancandy1, quit slut shaming
mircea_popescu: sluts r us!
asciilifeform: well yes but how does it improve chances vs. visiting a specially-designated heathen pit where these presently congregate
danielpbarron: from what i understand though, the guys are the sluts; the app is for women
indiancandy1: there is one for gays also
asciilifeform: ^ now -that- would make sense
indiancandy1: and one for lesboz
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> well yes but how does it improve chances vs. visiting a specially-designated heathen pit where these presently congregate << Heathen pits have greater explicit costs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re pit, zappa's opinions re disco.
mircea_popescu: iirc quoted here a while back too
BingoBoingo: <indiancandy1> there is one for gays also << Grindr
cazalla: back in my day we had to use adult friend finder, none of this fancy iphone shit
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: costs?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Heathen pit costs time
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you can afford a computer, you can afford to visit pub
indiancandy1: hot girls dont go pubs
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Your forget idiots suck at math
indiancandy1: hot girls go to bars
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: bar is not same as pub where you live ?
indiancandy1: london
indiancandy1: and its completley different
cazalla: likewise, pub/bar are two diff things down under
danielpbarron: is the difference whether you sit or stand?
asciilifeform bows out of this thread because realizes he has no personal experience with any of the things therein, at all, nor does he have a working theoretical model of them
indiancandy1: if i had 2 compare it to hotels i would say a bar is more 5star and pub is like local bed and breakfast
cazalla: pub is more cheap food and booze, bar is more.. cocktail.. you'd never get a cocktail at a pub.. unless ya like a poof or something
danielpbarron: i can't find a good cocktail anywhere
indiancandy1: unless ur like a poof
indiancandy1: thats funny
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: generally you make 'em.
indiancandy1: daniel were do u liive
ben_vulpes: or have the girl do it.
ben_vulpes: a, the...
danielpbarron: indiancandy1, Connecticut (the state next to new york city)
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> likewise, pub/bar are two diff things down under << Here pub is fancier subset of bar where craft beer poofs congregate
cazalla: this is why true blue aussie battler slim dusty sang of a pub with no beer and not no cocktails
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BingoBoingo: << "Hall F of the Colorado Convention Center possesses all the charm of a Soviet tank factory with the Nazis closing in. All the ugly, hard surfaces distort and amplify the happy babble of the crowd into the soundtrack of the Spanish inquisition. I’m well-aware of the brewery association’s rationale: With so many people begging to be fleeced, they have an obli
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BingoBoingo: gation to provide enough space to fleece as many as possible. Which is fine, but that doesn’t mean the fleece factory has to look and feel like a fleece factory." Everything wrong with craft beer scene
indiancandy1: in dubai u get nice pubs
indiancandy1: XXXXXXXX
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ben_vulpes: oi fuck you
ben_vulpes: champagne is not overrated
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: It totally is
BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1
BingoBoingo: !up unbalanced
ben_vulpes: bourbon? self-disqualified.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Bourbon is good, but still not as efficient as pure ETOH
decimation: champagne from champagne or fizzy wine in general?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, I linked a text authored by a person with more polished thoughts on the matter
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ben_vulpes: decimation: the person in question wouldn't know the difference.
BingoBoingo: I’m not going to go overboard here by claiming that there’s somehow nothing worse than the introduction of a bottle of champagne to a party setting, but I will call that shit out as being a significant speed bump at any given semiformal bacchanal—say, <, What is untrue about this. Champagne is a speed bump, and obstruction
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: have you ever been to Wilson's Pizza in Windsor?
BingoBoingo: "There’s a gathering ‘round, anticipations, the camaraderie of the pour-and-pass. Speeches are made and improvised from makeshift pulpits. In a chamber of strangers there comes a blossoming sense of true union, a warm realization of the beauty in us all, and the hope for a happier tomorrow. The energy of the room charges upward to its apex, tears flow freely, everyone screams… And then, in silent finale, we all tip back bar
BingoBoingo: ely half a cup of soda water gone rotten, say aaah, and limply burp. Hooray?"
ben_vulpes: poor people opining about champagne.
ben_vulpes: good find, BingoBoingo.
mircea_popescu went to some sort of shibaru get together here, it was advertised as "bring someting to share". i brought two bottles of fizzy, ended up drinking it with girl i brought and her friend that made the invite, because the other people were too shy.
mircea_popescu: also, shibaru dressed. srsly.
ben_vulpes: what's the point?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: and i don't mean dressed as in swimwear either.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Not quite. More people opining on the forgetableness of champagne for the serious drink hobbyist.
mircea_popescu: fuckign street clothes.
danielpbarron: thestringpuller> danielpbarron: have you ever been to Wilson's Pizza in Windsor? << no; not sure if i've even been to windsor
cazalla: BingoBoingo, ever been blind drunk only to find that old abandoned bottle of champas in the back of a cupboard and despite being blind drunk, half of it gets tipped down the sink?
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> BingoBoingo, ever been blind drunk only to find that old abandoned bottle of champas in the back of a cupboard and despite being blind drunk, half of it gets tipped down the sink? << Seriously, shit dies within minutes of opening
ben_vulpes: was there anything interesting on display at all?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it was like 2 other guys and about 7 girls. exactly one barely fuckable in the lot, and she looked and acted like a 17 yo cutting class.
ben_vulpes: sounds par for your experiences down south.
mircea_popescu: on re-read i guess to some people that sounds like praise. it ain't.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes somehow this disease where "words, we are using them" has definitely spread to here.
mircea_popescu: i blame tv.
cazalla: you know, one of the many things i don't grasp about bdsm is what looks like a desire of people to do it in a social setting than privacy of ones own home
mircea_popescu: cazalla ever fucked a girl in public ?
cazalla: not in full view, no
mircea_popescu: ever thought about doin' it ?
cazalla: off to the side, out of view, yes, but not a habit either
cazalla: no, not really, i like the comfort of home where shameful acts remain out of sight
mircea_popescu: well then makes sense.
mircea_popescu: not a fan of restaurants either ?
unbalanced: Sheesh, the conversation always takes a turn in the minutes it takes me to read a link and find a relevant reply
cazalla: i'm not, but prob for reasons other than implied (don't like to eat in front of others i'm guessing, but that does not bother me)
unbalanced: mp, re: the TLP comment I saw this the other day:
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mircea_popescu: jus' saying, you know, each has his own inclinations. some ppl like it. some don't mind it. etc.
unbalanced: BingoBoingo, thanks for the upvoice
mircea_popescu: unbalanced happens to me occasionally too. {|||} etc stuff
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: You're welcome. It's been a while
unbalanced: I wander off for a few months and sites fall off the web like flies.
unbalanced: I take it Altcoin is history? And Virtex and VoS here in Canada.
mircea_popescu: for plenty of girls being fucked in public is a major trespass, and sexual arousal and taboo breaking are intrinsically linked.
cazalla: i assume you mean in full view of the public and not hidden away up a side alley
cazalla: a romp in the side alley = fear of being caught, but in full view of the public and on display for anyone that cares to watch.. must be something else?
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: ATC died, mining became unteneable
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: On the plus side ATC's death highlighted a critical vulnerability in mining economics for alts
unbalanced: I guess when X-BT was gone, miners saw no market for ATC?
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: ATC's death prompted X-BT to end, not the reverse
unbalanced: Aside from OTC here in IRC I guess.
unbalanced: Still, hard to find "a greater fool" to dump ATC on with me absent.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l re: cocaine vaccine. the proposed 'dope vaccines' are one of the true eldrich horrors, that, were they actually put to use, would make folks pine for herr doktor mengele and his mercies
unbalanced: Nice work on qntra, btw
asciilifeform: think for a minute if the 'why' isn't obvious
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: Well the MPIF ATC profit center died because MP ordered it when he saw continuing anything aTC would involve potentially unbounded costs.
unbalanced: To all involved.
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asciilifeform: picture autoimmune destruction of the reward centres
asciilifeform: (i can't picture a 'cocaine vaccine' doing anything else, if it works at all)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> picture autoimmune destruction of the reward centres << This
unbalanced: *nice work to all involved meaning BingoBoingo / cazalla / mp, unless I'm missing anyone.
asciilifeform: ditto for the opiate 'vaccine'
asciilifeform: i can see it as a grotesque means of execution, however.
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: Our best recent piece was asciilifeform's disk controller epic
unbalanced: Oh jeez, I see the Dec statement, lots of authors. Nice model!
asciilifeform: 'vaccinate' poor schmuck and lock him in an oubliette with a rusty razor.
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: Our most retweeted recently though was me cribbing crunchbase, because fuck Superfish/TimDraper
BingoBoingo: !uo gernika
BingoBoingo: !up Bagels7
BingoBoingo: !up unbalanced
unbalanced: asciilifeform: my favourite part of that was learning that there's a "Persistence Division" -- sounds like an 80's electronica band
mircea_popescu: cazalla well... something else, sure. like a strong signal to the other females.
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cazalla: looks like one of the guys has a new scam at to harvest emails at 0.0001 per
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
unbalanced: Would you say Qubes is worth trying as a more secure OS? I think you mentioned it once wayyy back...
mircea_popescu: 2 cents an email ? hey, that's about what megalists cost.
asciilifeform: unbalanced: the reason for this is the elementary fact that, while virtually all victims of usg ops are dumb enough to run winblows, not all of them are so exquisitely stupid as to use the install that came in the crate
asciilifeform: unbalanced: hence persistence-through-diddled-hw shenanigans
unbalanced: I looked for a laptop that would support all the goodies in Qubes, and ended up buying -- wait for it -- a Lenovo.
unbalanced: Can't win.
asciilifeform: unbalanced: qubes << i most certainly never suggested it. as far as i can see, it's plain 'xen' and subject to all the caveats thereof ('escapes' etc)
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: My online machine is still a 2011 vintage cheapo thinkpad. Love it.
asciilifeform: as a general rule, piss on anyone pitching a linux distro as 'an os'
asciilifeform: there is no excuse for lying. don't say 'i wrote an os' when you rolled a linux distro like 100,000 other folks.
unbalanced: Of course it wasn't a consumer Lenovo, but it seems if you buy the latest Intel processor for security features you may be buying a factory-pwned unit anyway.
asciilifeform: if gonna lie, at least try to be believable ?
BingoBoingo is coming around to idea that if linux is used msut be built from toothpicks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun think you understand how pubescent male brain works.
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: The cheapo lenovos come with AMD
unbalanced: I'd buy a used ThinkPad but who knows how diddled that would be now from 4 years of some shlub surfing porn?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to the extent i know how any other one works.
asciilifeform: wasn't, after all, born this age.
BingoBoingo finds present online machine valuable because acquired well before could have been considered interesting personally
danielpbarron: i chatted with someone the other day who claimed to be using a "custom OS" / when pressed further he admitted it was ubuntu with some features disabled
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "hi baby i'm a producer". " i made an os"
asciilifeform: << this is interesting -only- because of the photo of the crack woman from pediwikia. it used to have a face!
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asciilifeform: i saw it many times
asciilifeform: and it had a face.
mircea_popescu: i even have this captured in trilema amber
asciilifeform: that photo only existed as a propaganda device, 'woman, see what the dope life does to face?!'
asciilifeform: and now it looks almost normal
asciilifeform: but i can see some pediwikian fuhrer going 'we shall now censor faces'
asciilifeform: re: 'dope life':
asciilifeform: there are conditions that interfere with sleep. as in, cannot - or can only rarely - sleep. eventually fatal. but before victim dies, he experiences more or less the whole gamut of 'meth addict' pathologies.
mircea_popescu: actually i so very much doubt that has to be fatal...
asciilifeform: which suggests that u.s. army medics were right, and meth (or other stimulator) per se doesn't poison the user
mircea_popescu: if i ever get one i'll report.
unbalanced: BingoBoingo, I imagine anyone wandering through this channel must end up on a no-fly list within a week. I mean, if there's a Persistence Division, there must be an #Assets Assembly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kills via immune collapse
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the thing is, when i don't actually sleep i revert to these 4 hour cycles with about an hourish of downtime, and im fine.
mircea_popescu: i think the pathology results from not actually respecting that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the pathology arises in cases where victim - usually for reason of taking stimulator nonstop - feels no compulsion to sleep.
asciilifeform: this is not the only incident of 'modern' medicine failing to factor out comorbidities correctly
mircea_popescu is one of those rare folks that can stand guard two weeks and still appreciate humor at the end of it.
asciilifeform: see also tthe case of the wholly fictional 'crack babies'
asciilifeform: (which were, to the extent the pathologies were actual, vs imagined, alcohol babies)
cazalla: mircea_popescu, sleep deprived hysteria? had this after the first week with baby, i have never laughed so hard and all i assume as a result from total lack of sleep
asciilifeform personal record - 1 week. and appreciated humour perhaps too much after that. but story for another time
unbalanced: I saw in an early article... is the maker from around here, an #asset-erian?
danielpbarron: i went a few days without sleep and began to hallucinate
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