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asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
btcinfobot: Current BTC price in USD: $28520.73
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 15 nodes...
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Could not connect! (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : (pool-71-114-46-209.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.038s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663857 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663857
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Alive: (0.146s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663784
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Alive: (0.197s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663857
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : (static.22.214.171.124.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.276s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=391693 (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Alive: (0.297s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663857
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Alive: (0.314s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663448
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : (tlapnet-38-54.cust.tlapnet.cz) Alive: (0.316s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663857
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=663529
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : Alive: (0.188s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=663611
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-12-31#1027909 >> 'I'm told of how I put others in danger by serving my website without encryption' << these agitprop whines aint about 'encryption', but rather sslism in particular. which is simply the leading brand of nsa-curated trojancrypto.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-31 00:53:35 feedbot: http://verisimilitudes.net/2020-12-30 << A Syndication of Verisimilitudes -- Penultimate Philosphical Ponderings
verisimilitude: Yes, but for the purposes of the writing, it's close enough.
verisimilitude: Explaining how SSL isn't even real encryption would undermine the point, or perhaps I'll revise it later.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: imho it is a not unimportant detail, that the agitprop comes from folx whose actual aim is to drive functional, publicly-available crypto into extinction (and in fact largely achieved this)
shinohai: But muh pki
shinohai: But srsly the "whereas this nebulous other is expected to do absolutely naught to help itself" describes perfectly the absolute state of things.
verisimilitude: I'm glad my writing was found to have some value, shinohai.
shinohai: verisimilitude: I read most of what feedbot spits out here. I've delved into some of your older writings on lisp (hence my WoT rating earlier this year) and have list of links I need to review when time permits.
verisimilitude: By the end of the day, I'm going to have all of my 2017 articles in a rewritten state; they were mostly done months back, but I still need to actually upload one. I'd like to rewrite my 2018 articles next.
verisimilitude: I've recognized I'm going to suffocate under my work unless I start to ``freeze'' most of it, so I'm no longer tempted to revisit it.
verisimilitude: IRC is like smoking, right; people acknowledge all of its issues, but do it anyway to socialize.
verisimilitude: What's a life without some bad habits?
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i can think of 'over 9000' worse ways to socialize.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-12-31#1027941 << irc with a logger is unmatched in its ability to coherently support a graph of interrelated discourse across time.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-31 13:56:35 verisimilitude: IRC is like smoking, right; people acknowledge all of its issues, but do it anyway to socialize.
trinque: I'm sure better hypertextchat could exist, but doesn't.
asciilifeform: trinque: irc seems like the utmost barbarism -- until one recalls what the heathens live with (more or less the same irc -- but in 'platform' gulags, where e.g. injection of spamola, arbitrary bans, retro-diddling of logs by censors, etc. are routine and have been unremarkable for 2+ decades)
shinohai: "Use signal, use tor!"
trinque: yep, although that freenode doesn't currently do much of this is mostly out of poverty rather than it having been designed correctly
asciilifeform: trinque: fleanode last i saw was ~95% spamola + malware c&c signals , by mass
asciilifeform: elementarily explained by fact of its operation as nsa 'telescope'. hence minimal interference.
trinque: still irks trinque not to be sending packets directly to asciilifeform, but focused atm on more elementary rungs of the tech ladder.
trinque: "directly", of course, is relative there.
asciilifeform: well aha, picture how martian would laff, '2 d00dz w/ industrial fiber straight to their desks, but still for some reason fleanode'
verisimilitude: Of course, trinque, but I'd rather want for what can be.
verisimilitude: The martian would be using Urbit for such, right?
trinque: honestly I've already forgotten how that thing worked, other than "oh, these guys thought pki was fine, just needed more 2010s technohipster on top"
trinque: verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-10-07#1022907
snsabot: Logged on 2020-10-07 14:58:18 asciilifeform: PeterL: i won't presume to speak for trinque , but in asciilifeform's conception, the obv. Right Thing would be an item which rides atop ipv4 in the same sense that the latter once rode atop telco grid; and w/ cryptographic routing (i.e. yer address is a pubkey) and ciphration (i.e. messages readable strictly by addressee) . all else -- implementation detail.
verisimilitude: One of my bigger issues with Urbit, sans the stupid Nock language which exists solely to be an ostensible bottom and then jettisoned away, is how it doesn't abandon ASCII.
asciilifeform: trinque: it 'worked' as, approx., 'unlambda'-style practical joke, carried a little far (iirc andreessen horowitz , turned out, likes such jokes)
trinque: it put some printed money in yarvin's pocket, worked.
verisimilitude: My CHIP-8 MMC targeting has its own 88-entry character set, because it was reasonable, and yet this supposed computing platform for the rest of humanity doesn't.
verisimilitude: For any faults, Urbit certainly has some good ideas behind it, and not everything to do with it is fundamentally flawed.
verisimilitude: I could see myself obtaining some virtual land.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i spent enuff time reading the thing , trying to find out what these were, that in fact won 1 of the orig. prizes from yarvin&co
asciilifeform: but did not find.
asciilifeform: 'what was good, was not original; what was original, was not good'(tm)
verisimilitude: That paper from 1978 describes a better form of what Urbit is, which makes it queer that Urbit supposedly had so much thought poured into it.
verisimilitude: Conveniently, I've never seen any Urbit material give poor Backus any credit.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: if yer curious how asciilifeform went in, and then out, of subj, there's a links thread in '16.
verisimilitude: I've read all or most of this, yes.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: yarvin was evidently trying to emulate various 'giants of industry' in picking up public materials, giving'em a coat of paint, and then claiming 'inventions'
asciilifeform: this 'worked', in a sense, for microshit and crapple, and so 'over 9000' mediocrities erry day try to copy this 'method'.
verisimilitude: See, my work is original, because I'm doing things nearly no one else cares about.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: originality in fact aint difficult (if you shipped w/ the right wetware) . what's difficult is to find any from ~other~ folx, though the noise of 1e9 screeching extrovert poseurs.
verisimilitude: Normal people are terrible, yes.
verisimilitude: Dehumanizing most of them is one reasonable way to cope with it.
verisimilitude: Here's a quote from one of mine articles: I'm perfectly fine with that idea humans hold souls, so long as it be acknowledged others lack them.
trinque: the simpler construction is that not all that walks is human.
verisimilitude: That's what dehumanization is.
trinque: sure. this ftr is what the web of trust was meant to do, find the humans.
verisimilitude: I was having a similar discussion earlier.
verisimilitude: I think I'm intelligent enough, but so many idiots think that. Surely, if I be so intelligent, I should have works which substantiate the opinion. This is part of why I work so hard on my creations.
verisimilitude: Then I can wonder if I'm actually a fool who thinks himself smart, but have something to point to the idiot would probably be incapable of, and be somewhat reassured.
verisimilitude: Works prove that one is actually a human.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: asciilifeform leaves the weighing an' judgment of his worx, to ~other~ people. cuz the only alternative is an endless stare into own arse, which may be entertaining way to spend one's life for a narcissist; but not for healthy folx
verisimilitude: I create several things for others, but everything attached to this name exists solely for me, and is but shared.
verisimilitude: Betraying such narcissism wasn't mine intent, so perhaps I miswrote.
trinque: verisimilitude: I figure I'm pretty dumb by historical standards, and pretty smart by contemporary standards.
trinque: either way, I don't give much of a shit.
trinque: death comes for us all; what one does meanwhile's between him and the gods
trinque: all of us are bags of shit and salt-water on a tiny planet around tiny sun in whichever backwater of the galaxy (and so on)
trinque: none of this gives me any sadness; on the contrary it's grounding.
trinque: who one is, is just an idea rolling around in their gourd with the rest of them.
trinque: (that's just what a narcissistic sociopath would say!)
verisimilitude: I don't sit around thinking about how smart I believe myself to be, but it's worthwhile to wonder, occasionally.
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