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(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: afaik errywhere where used, is used in precisely same style as cvs, svn, etc -- central host, 'star topology' of clients
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: ( searched for 6mo+... the vintage crud leaves much to be desired, even if can find a transistorized (!) 1970s system; they all demanded 'star topology' and rather hefty 'base station', and annoyingly thick shielded cable from ea. room to center )
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: signpost: observe that the protocol allows for any topology you like (even 'star'). simply doesn't trap anyone in it.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: signpost: imho the very impulse to 'autoclassify' meat comes from star topology hell
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: seekers of 'star topology' ~create~ the reich, rather than the reverse.
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-27 01:25:05 atuttle: jonsykkel yes, that's the concern. although it could be considered a "feature not a bug" in that it makes it painful for people to create large "star topology" networks. I was wondering if the scalability problem was actually a deliberate design feature.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-27#1067799 << making would-be star topology peddlers choke on own vomit is simply a pleasant side-effect.
(asciilifeform) atuttle: jonsykkel yes, that's the concern. although it could be considered a "feature not a bug" in that it makes it painful for people to create large "star topology" networks. I was wondering if the scalability problem was actually a deliberate design feature.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: orthogonally to all of this, asciilifeform was asked (in meatspace) 'can i make an equivalent of old-style moderated group w/ pest?' -- answr is 'you can, if you can find folx who want to inhabit one, simply pick a moderator and peer with him in star topology'
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: i.e. without authenticable (in any sense) hearsay, we have a star topology again. where the only packets that can have any meaning are such that are sent between direct peers.
(asciilifeform) billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-18#1039826 << ftr i fully support this. one of the things that drew me to the old republic was its denouncement of the 'star-topology'
(asciilifeform) dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-17 15:08:34 asciilifeform: has wider political aims, here as elsewhere -- to show folx, even 'seen through a keyhole', what decentralization looks like -- in contrast to the typical 'star-topology' systems peddled by dependence-culturing sociopaths
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform has wider political aims, here as elsewhere -- to show folx, even 'seen through a keyhole', what decentralization looks like -- in contrast to the typical 'star-topology' systems peddled by dependence-culturing sociopaths
(asciilifeform) gregorynyssa: the star-topology concept perfectly fits my own critique of Multiculturalism.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: the fundamental rot in question is discussed in the old logs.
(asciilifeform) asciilifeform: diana_coman: yer witnessing a test of mp's orig hypothesis, 'star topology is retarded.' imho a healthy republic can work just as well where there is no mp, and where there is no asciilifeform .
(trilema) asciilifeform: and oh hey missed http://qntra.net/2019/08/imperial-anti-v-unveiled-eat-more-star-topology/
(trilema) asciilifeform: it is really mega-mystery that device where nonrecoverable tooling cost is comparable to satellite rocket , is intensely start-topology/centralized affair in management ?
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-10-09 16:24 asciilifeform: ( observe that for hole punching, the 'server' does not need to be a heavy duty box that sits as 'star topology apex', but can be any of one or more boxes among the nodes themselves , at a particular time, with external ip. )
(trilema) asciilifeform: i still have a dark suspicion that actually changing the logic like this could eventually result in a 'star topology' around a miner
(trilema) a111: Logged on 2017-10-09 16:24 asciilifeform: ( observe that for hole punching, the 'server' does not need to be a heavy duty box that sits as 'star topology apex', but can be any of one or more boxes among the nodes themselves , at a particular time, with external ip. )
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sicily didn't much care for il duce's 'star topology' nonsense. hence 'german orders' not 'men of honour'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and in Star Topology Today https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/04/france-seizes-france-com-from-man-whos-had-it-since-94-so-he-sues/
(trilema) asciilifeform: trinque: i'll admit that i dun really buy the 'pushing' angle. if anything it's the mcdonaldizers and walmartizers, star topology creators, who create the demand for opiums
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( observe that for hole punching, the 'server' does not need to be a heavy duty box that sits as 'star topology apex', but can be any of one or more boxes among the nodes themselves , at a particular time, with external ip. )
(trilema) asciilifeform: ( to nitpick, yes the heathens have a scenario where it still does something, where everybody has 'star topology' 'wot' consisting of the greatinca. but to call this 'meaningful' is a stretch. )
(trilema) BingoBoingo: 2.7 million in Chiraq proper, and 10 million in metro area. Skyscrapers empty, but ghettos full. Chicago has a full "star" mass transit topology, shrinks precieved size of city.
(trilema) asciilifeform: my objection is that the star topology does not go away by virtue of being called something else. you have a class of fully-capable nodes, S, that can accept unsolicited pipes; and a much larger class of P ( lessay, peons ), behind NAT, who cannot. ergo stars.
(trilema) asciilifeform: hey, beelzebub burned the great-inca-star-topology into his bios in the womb
(trilema) asciilifeform: aaha. ye olde star topology, is the goal. all interactions via Great Inca strictly.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 'we' are mitigating against the star topology in all sorts of stupid and entertaining ways
(trilema) asciilifeform: on read directly from LPC out of band to an attacker, e.g. over Bluetooth... In a nutshell, LPC Guard™ converts the traditional monolithic shared LPC bus topology into a pseudo-star topology, then masks sensitive data transmissions involving a single peripheral from all remaining peripherals on the bus. The bus control device central to this technology is securely connected to the LPC master onboard the CPU or southbridge device, w
(trilema) asciilifeform: folks who do not fall into one of these clans, end up in the inca's star topology and get raped.
(trilema) mircea_popescu: (likbez #2 : ant colony, nature's finest example of star topology, is for this reason uniquely bad example for the (correctly defined) "complex system". the boom-bust cycle of rabbits and other small rodents much better examples. complex systems are made of like parts, not worker-queen sorta nonsense.)
(trilema) asciilifeform: my understanding is that mircea_popescu sees the difference as a 'balls', 'blood & iron' matter of personal courage. whereas it is slightly gnarlier, pashtun has his family->clan->tribe healthy human thing going, eskimo likewise, usian - has the 'star topology' with the Great Inca at the center and ~nothing else~ but own sorry carcass.
(trilema) asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's no such actual thing as flatgraph - only star topology with thinly disguised star.
(trilema) fluffypony: http://network-communications.blogspot.com/2011/06/network-topology-star-bus-mesh-ring.html <- memories of networking in 1997