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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i happen to know the 'logic', btw, it aint even a 'what countries pentagon plans for war', but dumb bean counter 'whom fewest translators for'
asciilifeform: listed in alphabetical order.
mircea_popescu: desi ?! wtf.
asciilifeform: btw they mostly use orc translators in the field. but i suspect mircea_popescu knew this.
asciilifeform: ( and they also issue, or at least used to, little boxen with point-and-grunt ui with eng buttons and speaker to bark orders in vein of 'hande hoch!' on other end )
mircea_popescu: srsly, the diff between dari and farsi is not unlike the difference between czech and "slovak"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: read full list an' weep, they have ukr, old norse, ecclesiastical latin, koine greek...
asciilifeform: esperanto.
mircea_popescu: for all the good it does 'em...
asciilifeform pictures daily life of old norse translator in us army
mircea_popescu: all these languages, slovene, serbian, croatian, etceterian...
asciilifeform: hey, gotta pay diploma'd translator, to convert between kakobrekla and josef brosz tito...
asciilifeform: it's a racke^H^Hliving...
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz nobody likely gives a shit about : romania apparently has some natgas in its chunk of black sea shelf ; usg wants to steal this ; ro senate wrote a law for them ; ro commons rejected it, because this one guy (liviu dragnea) said so. his majority collapsed because "hungarian" miniparty changed its mind overnight (ie, transparently got bought out) and well... guess who is "accused" of supposedly having FORCED
mircea_popescu: some random institution to employ a coupla gals that "weren't really working there".
mircea_popescu: needless to say at this rate ima have rick perry anally raped on youtube.
mod6 just got back from playing hockey, for the first time in nearly a decade.
mod6: (to the dismay of my lungs)
mod6: I did score a goal though. (Should have had three if I wasn't such an out of shape pussy.)
mod6: So #winning, I think.
mod6 reads l0gz
mod6: mmm. about to eat one of these cheddarworsts from the ukr place, and some ribs I smoked.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> if this ends up settled by the mailing of a large quantity of alfajores... keks << hahah.
mod6: banks, who needs 'em.
mod6: it's like this cocksuckers hate money or something
mod6: *these
mod6: if you got the money, come on with it then!
mod6: don't these dorks listen to AC/DC? Money Talks, BS Walks.
mod6: usg has no money. all they got is BS.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> make more than from coke in a few short years. << amen
mircea_popescu: i see mod6 is in high spirits :)
mod6: :]
mod6: <+asciilifeform> upstack, i suspect mircea_popescu has the answ to the riddle of why bitcoin hasn't killed wu et al -- orcs still perceive having the option not to use btc << They have the option, ~for now~. We know, that the whole world currently runs on "magic money", currently. However, my hunch is that "magic money" and worlds built on fraud can not live for forever. They can last a long time, however
mod6: , and one can go broke betting against the irrationality of the whole thing. But when one-day comes, and the tide goes out, only hard assets will remain. They'll either take the Republic's BTC or eat tree bark like 1777.
mircea_popescu: for the record i had some treebark earlier.
mircea_popescu: fucking delicious
mircea_popescu: cinnamon!
mod6: haha
mod6: ahhhhh
mod6: i like a bit of cinnamon from time to time too, typically in a warm drink
mircea_popescu: coffee, as the case may be.
mod6: *nod* sometimes people throw them into a warm brandy drink. "hot tadi?" I think they're called.
mod6: I would pay for ring side seats to watch the hamptons fist fight over who gets to eat the bark off the shitty cottonwood trees that day though.
mod6: probably could make a mint on selling tickets to those events.
mircea_popescu: but selling to whom
mod6: lol, fair point.
mod6: me, i guess.
mod6: Thinking of 'hot toddy' drinks makes me think of Euchre.
mod6: You ever play?
mircea_popescu: well, i usually play bridge.
mircea_popescu: euchre not so difficult, so sometimes indulge with a girl or something. but rarely.
mod6: *nod* yah, i hardly remember how to play. i remember it being kinda fun though, that and spades.
mod6: i've never learned bridge.
mircea_popescu: kinda works best in a full complement, need 4 people.
mod6: one of these days I'll have to try to learn the game.
mod6: Well Sir, I'm thoroughly exausted. :] I better catch some zzz's. I bid you, Good Evening.
hanbot: << just caught this. i don't get it, should we replace your name with nicole's nao also?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 23:37 mod6: << I didn't send, no. Should I replace Hanna's name in there and the phone number?
hanbot: anyway the idea is to have an exhaustive list of news outlets with their contact email made, after which i'll have her mail that blurb; i expect something like a week's turnaround, and will report when it's done.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone happens to have Outwitting Dad ? Hollywood Party ? (1930s, oliver hardy films. )
deedbot: << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 10/10/2018
deedbot: << Bimbo.Club - Costa Rica, the ultimate tease.
Mocky: >> if I manage to penetrate subj, I'll report
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 00:00 asciilifeform: i'll be at least slightly surprised if he manages to penetrate subj; but i like good surprises
Mocky: >> also sunk $B into building largest military base in the region for usg. 'feud' seems like public theatre to my noob eyes. US is well respected here in contrast to gulf state back-turners.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 00:05 asciilifeform: i still dun fully grasp the supposed usg feud with qatar -- iirc the latter sank couple $B into usg's 'moderate rebels'
mircea_popescu: Mocky yes, a full report on this hawala business very valued accomplishment.
Mocky: I met yesterday with a chick who does the social media and photography for a local magazine. She's not a local but seems to have a good set of connections and eager to help me out.
Mocky: She showed me the Souq Waqif, a large "street market" 2 city blocks in size, about half indoors (although the indoor part looks like narrow streets with a roof) it's like the cultural center for Qataris. various musical 'bands' playing traditional drum music
Mocky: bought me dinner at an iraqi restaurant. seems like computer security is a huge thing here. even small companies like her magazine get 'cyber threats' at least weekly. bigger companies much more so. a lot of website and network hacking goes on.
Mocky: BingoBoingo, this is a short chick, btw, who walks around here alone on a daily basis, with a backpack for 6 years, never gets bothered
Mocky: she says that ultimately every foreigner has a single named Qatari sponsor (typically company part-owner) who has the power to kick you out anytime and who gets hassled if you cause trouble
Mocky: except for tourists who are very limited in stay duration
Mocky: local Qatari men are shoe-ins for high level company / agency / gov jobs and often inherit a lot of wealth, and only ~100k of them so they aren't exactly drawn to street crimes
mircea_popescu: does she know any of these ?
Mocky: she didn't say so and I didn't ask her directly, but I will. She seems like a good asset for making further media contacts and cultural info (topic of magazine) and not direct contact to locals
mircea_popescu: your show, i'm just watching it unfold!
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i never heard of theft in muslim lands, in the general speaking.
mircea_popescu: they managed to erradicate that much like the us managed to erradicate manhood : direct amputation.
Mocky: the insect situation here hard to fathom. they just about don't have any. i saw a moth here on the first day, very small. and another moth outside last night, tiny.
Mocky: outside last night in the city, stones throw from the bay, staring up at street lights during the interminable wait at crosswalks, not a single bug circling street lights, not a spider web
mircea_popescu: bugs need water, their principal design problem is that they have to be permeable for respiration, which results in water loss.
mircea_popescu: at the time they were released, this was a good tradeoff. meanwhile the earth aged.
Mocky: street food vendors, outdoor diners all safe from flying pests
Mocky: and the horde of scrawny indian dudes with their skinny jeans, even the fat ones still have scrawny legs and wear skinny jeans
mircea_popescu: that must be some sight.
Mocky: these are the ones out on the weekend looking for night life downtown
Mocky: in-group fashion trends, evidently
mircea_popescu: your depeche mode style wil lcertainly fit right in :D
Mocky: lol
Mocky: yeah i better tone down the eye makeup
ave1: diana_coman, I now have a good version of the crc32 bitwise constant time algo, but I ran out of time for today, so eta probably tomorrow.
diana_coman: ave1, that sounds good
diana_coman: does anyone recognise
asciilifeform: diana_coman: btc noad ? never connected to zoolag ( at least not in past month )
asciilifeform: and dun seem to be a noad at all, for that matter
diana_coman: asciilifeform, no, weird, single UDP message received from it by the UY node during tests
asciilifeform: aah interesting
asciilifeform: prolly shitware
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to post the bytes ?
asciilifeform: pretty curious what it said
diana_coman: possibly, no idea really; but what, they just send random udp stuff on all ports?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: they probe for peers
diana_coman: apparently I'll have to get all those unexpected messages in some readable format and post them, myeah
asciilifeform: ( there could even exist something, somewhere, exploitable via magic packet )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: would be pretty neat imho
diana_coman: possibly; that would be my guess, some sort of magic packet
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suspect that most likely it was part of a ddos, and the forged return address happened to match yours
asciilifeform: so victim/amplifier 'answered'
diana_coman: ah, can be
diana_coman: seems to be some address in the US and "corporate" fwiw
diana_coman: anyways, will add to pile of weird for now and maybe later I get to look at it more
asciilifeform: if it was indeed this, then subj ip is the victim
asciilifeform: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.3 is all he's got running there, tho
asciilifeform: so prolly not ddos subject...
asciilifeform: let's do a small gedankenexperiment, btw: let's suppose a botnet using pure udp for signals (say, signed packet.) can it find peers by random probe ? answer is -- very quickly:
asciilifeform: say it has 50,000 nodes. then 2**32 / 50000 =~ 85899 packets sent at random is all that it needs to find a peer and rejoin its net.
asciilifeform: this of course presumes that they all listen on 1 port; if not , then multiply the above by the # of ports in use.
asciilifeform: in the former case, it only needs to send 1 per second, to find a peer within 24 hours.
asciilifeform: at any rate no intelligently-written piece of shitware really needs a central control box, it merely gotta shoot at random, and will find its fellows.
asciilifeform: ( and yes reality is a bit moar complicated, most bots are behind nat and won't be immediately reachable like this. but it is not impossible to picture a net with say 10,000 udp-reachable nodes . )
asciilifeform: the ~86k packets is a worst-case avg, obviously, per 'birthday theorem' it will succeed almost certainly sooner
asciilifeform: incidentally, i must add that if the bots are trooly pwned, and receiver lives in kernel ( or iron... ) then 'ports' dun matter at all, receiver can listen to erry packet sent its way .
mircea_popescu: << same way unwashed idiots enable plague. but i mean, EXACT same way. they're the god of the gaps as far as evil is concerned.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 00:10 asciilifeform: i dun grasp how 'dreamers' enable dhs etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was half-expecting you'd mention unvaccinated BingoBoingostani and their mumps. but this also worx, i suppose
mircea_popescu: it seems, to some high analysis, that the workings of bacillum pestis works entirely independently of Joe Moron, who keeps "accidentally" falling into his own dung.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless...
mircea_popescu: the ~reason~ y pestis exists is the long line of joe moron, and his mulae & stramulae.
asciilifeform: erry good plague has 'reservoirs' also, some species where it lives without killing host
mircea_popescu: yes a bacillum is high tech arcana when compared to the mouthdribbler. nevertheless, the selector among high tech arcanna is precisely the bulk of undifferentiated biomass.
mircea_popescu: because in the end, to say "whichever pathogen best uses them wins" is to say exactly that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform precisely what the pantsuit is : socialism reservoir.
asciilifeform can picture.
mircea_popescu: i would say that the best way to represent socialism, from early xtian communism to today's social media solipsism, is as a sort of meningitis.
mircea_popescu: infection destroys higher cognitive function.
mircea_popescu: except in plenty of bipedals -- nothing there to destroy.
asciilifeform: was about to say
asciilifeform: typical victim dun have so much to begin with
mircea_popescu: and so -- the pantsuit of today the reservoir of today ; much like the mirvniki of 1800, the reservoir of 1800.
mircea_popescu: which theoretical viewpoint suddenly makes nazi choices make sense : first, they took care of warsaw ghetto, the ~internal~ reservoir. once that was liquidated, moved on to the foreign reservoirs.
mircea_popescu: ie, bombed london and killed as many caucasus "peasants" as could get hands on.
asciilifeform: to make life even moar complicated, the infection, in some circumstances, is actually adaptive ( peasants living where agriculture barely worx at all, can only survive in 'mir' or similar formation , i suspect )
mircea_popescu: yes, cognitive function has biological cost, so yes, decerebration adaptative.
mircea_popescu: hence all the xanax.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when actually reading the german folx, noticed, they formulated exactly like this, it's no mystery.
mircea_popescu: note that all peasants will ALWAYS live "where agriculture barely works at all"
mircea_popescu: because this is specifically what "agriculture" ~MEANS~.
mircea_popescu: "stupid cunts keep spawning and well... do what you can" "how about fix them ?" "uhhh...ooooga ?"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's still a diff, in italy 3 harvests in year, but near moscow ~maybe~ 1
mircea_popescu: and so in italy rome fulla idle morons in excess of 1mn, in moscow 50k.
asciilifeform: ( and unlike in petri dish , the meatsacks ~don't~ automatically fill to capacity, barbarians, plagues, help'em to avoid )
mircea_popescu: peasant will go past carry capacity of land, it's what peasant does. like saying "engine will drain gas tank"
asciilifeform: he will unless somebody/something nails him
asciilifeform: which , at least in past, reliably came
mircea_popescu: hence all prayer in pantsuit church ever since forever "to peace".
mircea_popescu: peasant isn't the misfortunate victim of his flaws and foibles. peasant is THE DEDICATION to the SPECIFICALLY ELECTED sins and maculae.
asciilifeform: 'a furore normannorum libera nos, domine!'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: errybody 'elects maculae', it aint as if raider-cannibal is exempt somehow from thermodynamics, still gotta find somebody to eat.
asciilifeform: and will similarly expand 'to capacity'
mircea_popescu: yes. but raider cannibal is much better than christian farmer. bacause raider-cannibal doesn't either think he's doing the right thing nor believe it's impossible to do something else.
asciilifeform: eh errybody thinks 'doing Right Thing'
mircea_popescu: which is the weakness of the scheme, too -- raider leaks into "civilisation"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i propose this is not so.
asciilifeform: if there's some record that raiders 'were sad' about raiding, i do not know of it
asciilifeform: afaik errybody saw their particular jumper setting as the One Troo way
mircea_popescu: let's approach it from this filum : in those societies which are "uncivilised", which is to say not yet rotten, the discussion of superlative achievement, as the hero (always male, of course, but let's leave that aside) is a plenitude. he can shoot the bow if the bow is known AND ride if the horse is known AND sail or raft or canoe AND sing if they have music AND AND AND
mircea_popescu: meanwhile aming the "civilised" shitheads, the equivalent, saint, is ~pious~. naught else.
mircea_popescu: the raider's world is whole, and he fills it ; whereas the peon's world is sharded, and he picks the easiest shard to the spite of all others.
asciilifeform: i propose that 'pious' is exactly ...
a111: Logged on 2018-10-12 19:29 asciilifeform: in related zoological lulz, apparently happens
mircea_popescu: something other than "we cut the worldcake into slices and picked the one easiest to lift" ?
mircea_popescu: (wanking all the whilke about "how hard it is", of course, of course).
asciilifeform: exactly that
asciilifeform: 'watch me whip myself silly for the glory of god' etc
mircea_popescu: so there's your difference : raider will be good at everything there is to be good at or die trying.
mircea_popescu: peasant will come up with an excuse as to why his football team winning occasionally means he gets free beer and samba si.
asciilifeform: at least mythological raider. real life raider only gotta be good at horse an' bow.
asciilifeform: poetry optional.
mircea_popescu: not so optional at all.
mircea_popescu: samurai took it seriously. old middle earth tribe idem. it seems to me it was not optional then
mircea_popescu: capitalist thought anachronism in context. "yes it'd have worked ; but it'd never have occured to them"
asciilifeform: plenty of folx took it seriously, once yer in a platoon of folx ~equally adept at horse an' bow, then how to stand out.
mircea_popescu: and the ~reason~ "never would have occured" is specifically that they were dedicated to NOT breaking the world snowglobe into shards.
asciilifeform: can sing , write haikus, wai not.
mircea_popescu: i propose the capitalist view is inadequate in context.
mircea_popescu: they didn't do it for a good reason according to you. they did it for a good reason according to them.
mircea_popescu: or what, you think my interest in poetry comes from how i can't get cunt because fetlife, it's so fulla mp ?
asciilifeform: i dun dispute the model where folx with a working head, like thinking and playing with calligraphy brush an' rhyme, and where herbivority is not conducive to growing thinking head
mircea_popescu: in truth, the more adept at "horse and bow" or w/e they get, the more keenly aware of subtle differences that create hierarchy. exactly reversed dunning-kruger, "to me all these cowboys seem superlatively competent at riding and lasso, but they -- they complexly disagree"
mircea_popescu: just about the whole story, yeah.
asciilifeform: imho entirely adequate model.
mircea_popescu: but the difference between integrated world and disintegrated world is specifically important, because common view of "postmodernism" is "woe poor man, overwhelmed".
mircea_popescu: this is pious fraud. the pantsuit subhuman has been just as overwhelmed, and overwhelmed in the exact same ways expressed in the exact same terms since cato the elder.
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> BingoBoingo, this is a short chick, btw, who walks around here alone on a daily basis, with a backpack for 6 years, never gets bothered << I suspect mircea_popescu's comment downthread explains it. A substantial set of the Latinos appear inclined to take anything that isn't bolted down, provided nothing bad happens to them from it.
asciilifeform: dun forget the 'height of the towers' tho. pretty much all of the samurai poetry / arts / etc come from the period where jp had already been properly divvied up, and the swordsmen were living fast off guaranteed kokus of rice, rather than daily raid
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is not factual either. most of the great japanese poets died of the sword.
asciilifeform: own sword lol
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Congrats as well on finding help girl
mircea_popescu: much like most european poets died of some plague.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo quick on his feet ain't he.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman is he the ultimate in suave p2p ? cuz i'm starting to suspect!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've been on a yr+ jp kick, attempting to read some of that 1337 poetry in original..
asciilifeform: so delved into subj a bit.
mircea_popescu: makes so much difference whose sword ?
asciilifeform: depends. it is interesting to consider that 'seppuku' didn't take off until actual conflict mostly flamed out
mircea_popescu: meanwhile tb, the archetipal european poet characteristic, was despised among the raiding population as the degenerative disease of the bull penis suckers.
asciilifeform: considering that tb didn't take off until euros packed themselves like spiders in a jar, in 'urban' hell..
asciilifeform: was associated with rat life, the way walmart is today
asciilifeform: so justly despised.
mircea_popescu: well, cow, but yes.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Mocky is indeed
asciilifeform: so when 'poet' came to be seen, largely correctly, as yet another species of urban refuse, living on rubbish like new world raccoon, then yes despised, mega-surprise
asciilifeform: imho 19th c 'tb poet' is ~exactly today's redditus.
mircea_popescu: definitely.
mircea_popescu: the overflow of unreadable crap "enlightment" has produced is carefully not mentioned by the pantsuit apologists.
mircea_popescu: they tend to strictly stick to the names detectably opposed.
mircea_popescu: kinda perverse, you know. sorta like a kakobrekla-run alt-trilema filled with effigy statues of the lordship.
asciilifeform: the slow but effective garbage collector of time + expensive print, helps'em 'cheat', yes
mircea_popescu: "our idiocy works as proven by all the works of those who hated us, which we claim for ourselves because hey, what's in a claim."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily enuff, kako was actually trying to bake one of these, and i was almost disappointed when it flamed out and left the current cinders, largely consisting of spamola and occasional prb 'news'
mircea_popescu: the reflex is there though, and imo very edifying.
asciilifeform: would be entertaining if erry world had a parallel shadow statue hell under it
asciilifeform: but apparently no such luck
mircea_popescu: ye, he's not stupid in a way different from stupid. the frog's legs don't jerk because something to do with this particular frog. and so on.
mircea_popescu: but in truth, once "i suck, and THAT is why daddy doesn't like me" is blocked out, what's left besides "daddy likes me because i am exactly like him in all respects" ?
mircea_popescu: "god created man in his image (and not vice-versa!!!!)" xtian creed. hence "peace". what could possibly be needed in the perfect world of the scummy repose, than... more of the same ?
asciilifeform: herbivorous paradise, naturally, infinite grass an' 0 wolf
mircea_popescu: you know, it's funny btw, how "mmorpg" evolved. back around time of eternal september, computer in the house pretty much guaranteed head present. and so the games catered to this. hence h2.
asciilifeform: wolf, of course, will grow, even on wolfless world. interestingly some time last decade somebody finally filmed deer eating bird's nest
asciilifeform: the capacity -- is there.
mircea_popescu: last september, computer ~= bong. guarantees nothing besides "lots of unearned income". as a result, wow is NOT similar to heroes 2
mircea_popescu: in fact... it is precisely... infinite grass field, graze plox.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform will not grow in engineered world. hence the wow example.
asciilifeform: even there, grows. hence the whines re 'griefers' , 'cheaters'
mircea_popescu: no more.
mircea_popescu: you're thinking a decade ago. they fixed this.
asciilifeform: did they ? i admit, did not follow subj, soured on it thoroughly in early 00s
mircea_popescu: there is literally nothing whatsoever to achieve and no means to achieve it left.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you're thinking a decade ago. they fixed this. << This. They have this "battle royal" thing now where everybody laffs over how they all die in vain
BingoBoingo: "Fortnight" is what the kids call it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: forestall the small wolf, be eaten by the great wolf...
mircea_popescu: thing is utterly indistinguishable from typical usgistani office drone "job", of data entry. it is a wonder anyone "misses work" to "play wow". exactly like "breaking law, not ate mcdonalds, ate burger king". wut ?!
BingoBoingo: Collects all the griefers and cheaters so the WoW incels can continue in piece
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but yes, evidently fenrir came for them.
asciilifeform: fenrir comes for errything.
asciilifeform: the old sages were onto this.
asciilifeform brb,teatime
mircea_popescu: << there's a list of things to send. kids are made douchebag through the process of finding said list, noticing "it works!" and going from there.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 15:00 diana_coman: possibly, no idea really; but what, they just send random udp stuff on all ports?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 15:10 asciilifeform: in the former case, it only needs to send 1 per second, to find a peer within 24 hours.
mircea_popescu: which is why all the "oh noes advertise ip" bla bla machinery is always a sign of idiocy on the part of "designer". trbi needs "ip backflow" like i need power rangers in my living room.
mircea_popescu: << no, it's not. l'hospital and whatnot.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 15:13 asciilifeform: the ~86k packets is a worst-case avg, obviously, per 'birthday theorem' it will succeed almost certainly sooner
mircea_popescu: the probability to observe less than one event in a 85899 assay set is what, 18% or so.
mircea_popescu: um... i mean... P(x) is 0.0012 for λ = 1/85899 and x = 1.
mircea_popescu: one of these days ima have to learn math.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 16:10 mircea_popescu: diana_coman
asciilifeform: << tbf, taking a net to the # of nodes where blind shooting is reasonably fast peer finder, takes a '1st stage rocket' of some form
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 16:14 mircea_popescu: which is why all the "oh noes advertise ip" bla bla machinery is always a sign of idiocy on the part of "designer". trbi needs "ip backflow" like i need power rangers in my living room.
asciilifeform: plus there's the fact that nearly all konsoomer boxes (i.e. potential bots) are behind nat.
asciilifeform: this is 1 of the reasons why the 'gold medal' for crapware folx today is usually to infect the nat boxen themselves.
BingoBoingo: A special news story for alf on Police shootin Coons
asciilifeform: then you get an 'adult' ipv4 to do as you please.
BingoBoingo: "Police say they have shot and killed six raccoons since Sept. 1 in Belleville"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in ru there's a massive hunt going somewhere, they were dumb enuff to buy 1500 beasts from usa in '50s and spread in forest 'for fur industry'
asciilifeform: and nao infested cities
BingoBoingo: They bought, or is that cover story for rare goal scored by CIA?
asciilifeform: bought, at some cost, at one time i saw the period docs
asciilifeform: not cheap, to ship 1500 megarats
asciilifeform: ( consider, somebody had to catch'em, alive... )
asciilifeform: << exact fig remains to be calculated, but orig point was that ipv4 is a small enuff 'room' that one can 'shout' in it and be heard.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 16:25 mircea_popescu: the probability to observe less than one event in a 85899 assay set is what, 18% or so.
asciilifeform: ( at least by those with ears )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also complicating the maffs is that the 'time req'd to be head' depends not only on particular node's 'shout', but those of ~others~
asciilifeform: so i suspect the actual # of packets ( and time ) req'd , goes down ~geometrically~ with the # of working noades
asciilifeform idly wonders what % of current net traffic actually consists of this brekekekekexkoaxkoax
asciilifeform: other interesting bit is that brute-force 'udp on random ports' worx great for pill against nat
a111: Logged on 2017-10-09 16:24 asciilifeform: ( observe that for hole punching, the 'server' does not need to be a heavy duty box that sits as 'star topology apex', but can be any of one or more boxes among the nodes themselves , at a particular time, with external ip. )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the sense that conn works either way, yes.
asciilifeform: when you send a udp packet, it opens 'ephemeral' path through nat, that for a spell can hear a 'reply' ( which on may nat's, does not actually have to come from the same ip you transmitted to )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: correct, it worx for a spell ( how long, depends on the particular shitrouter )
mircea_popescu: i'm not saying the mechanism's dysfunctional ; i just said your specific statement of probabilities was wrong
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i noted as much ( re 'birthday' ), but did not bother to calculate the actual , aha
mircea_popescu: but yes it's trivial to do the maff to show that cost of acquisition vs timevalue of connection comes out green
asciilifeform: ~iff~ yer net is big enuff.
mircea_popescu: if what you're doing is worht doing net can't be small enough etc.
mircea_popescu: new sociological measure.
asciilifeform: if all you got is 2 boxes randomly firing udp, they can sit for years and not meet
asciilifeform: all this means is that you gotta do the initial infect , via whatever way, to get coupla 10k nodes.
asciilifeform: at that point, your hydra has enuff heads that it aint beheadable.
mircea_popescu: << which precisely puts the gavinism of ipv6 in its proper context. "oh noes, think of those poor africans! how their exclusion would make republic work!!!"
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 16:55 asciilifeform: << exact fig remains to be calculated, but orig point was that ipv4 is a small enuff 'room' that one can 'shout' in it and be heard.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i see ipv6 as , at least in part, a deliberate scheme to make p2p ~impossible.
mircea_popescu: exactly same thing as gavin "need more blocks" or buffett "taxes too low" etc.
asciilifeform: it's exactly this. 'hmm how do we nail warez. iknow, they'll never meet in the vastness of outer 6byte space'
asciilifeform: 'force'em into star topology'
asciilifeform: the funny bit is that even if errybody turned on ipv6, the result would simply be 9000x moar brekekekex. cuz it'll still work.
mircea_popescu: the discussion of dovetails here neatly : the ~illusion~ of "vastness" and is deliberately constructed, specifically for the purpose.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 15:47 mircea_popescu: but the difference between integrated world and disintegrated world is specifically important, because common view of "postmodernism" is "woe poor man, overwhelmed".
mircea_popescu: every mother ever told the independent-minded child precisely this, also.
mircea_popescu: which is why and wherefore "female state".
asciilifeform: 'I’ve been patient, I’ve been gracious / And this mountain is covered with wolves / Hear them howling, my hungry children / Maybe you should stay and have another drink and think about me and you.'(tm)
asciilifeform: how else.
asciilifeform: ties in nicely with thrd, also. inca needs mass of 'african children' to be 'neutron absorber', anyffing, anyffing to keep the functional folx from meeting up.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 15:27 mircea_popescu: yes a bacillum is high tech arcana when compared to the mouthdribbler. nevertheless, the selector among high tech arcanna is precisely the bulk of undifferentiated biomass.
asciilifeform: whole point of, e.g., prb.
asciilifeform: and hence asciilifeform's interest in re mapping out the net and seeing how much living tissue, where.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the fuck-them-with-their-own-overton-window front, my latest contribution on fetlife :
mircea_popescu: as slavegirl observes, "im sure the entirety of fetlife is offended!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is pretty plain that the 'oh noez, you spammed me! i'ma write lengthy whine' chixx didn't grow up in '90s
asciilifeform: older folx laugh off spam silently
asciilifeform: ( and adjust filter )
mircea_popescu: but the points stand : equalitarianism and relativism ARE self-defeating ; there's nothing substantial to distinguish any fetish from any other fetish, and "niggers are people too" or "i am woman hear me roar" just as fetish and identically as fetish to furries or trannies.
asciilifeform: what boggles my mind is that they dun see the plain fact that if yer response to 'oh noez, spam' is to sit down and write missive, you're ddosable with 1 finger
mircea_popescu: moreover, the "difference between law and fetish is that law -- universal" immediately breaks down when i don't subscribe. and i can't be excluded, either, because that's the fucking value the whole thing's supposed to be predicated on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform whats the spam discussion about ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the aggrieved chix, whose spew mircea_popescu posted on several occasions
mircea_popescu: anyway, "inclusive female objectivism" entirely contradiction in terms.
asciilifeform: 'you asked me to serve, who are you to ask this' etc
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what boggles my mind is that they dun see the plain fact that if yer response to 'oh noez, spam' is to sit down and write missive, you're ddosable with 1 finger << Pretty good measure of social placement. Do you need to filter all comers, or can you reply to spam without surrendering all the time.
mircea_popescu: he has a point there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i gotta wonder, do they answer erry nigerian 419 also ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's hard out there for a fat would-be whore that gets one message a year.
asciilifeform: so -- chased away small wolf, invited fenrir ?
asciilifeform: i can see it.
asciilifeform: life is easy for dodo bird. until not
mircea_popescu: fwiw i simply discard lots and lots and lots of "705babygirl 23F sub 1m What?" ; they come in at the rate of a few / minute, and who the fuck cares anyway. "think of it as an intelligence test -- that you failed", right.
mircea_popescu: i suppose people'd fall over if they discovered i own the most messaged-to acct on fetlife.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sounds , to my untrained eye at least, like spam from the site itself
asciilifeform: iirc they all have a perlistic 'gurl generator' going 24/7
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're scatterback from my own bots.
mircea_popescu: see, i pump out k's/day, i get back about 60-70% or so (imagine that!) the 90% of which directly to bin.
mircea_popescu: but read the paste, would you, it's actually interesting for once.
mircea_popescu is too lazy to make trilema article out of it, but imo some valid points of policy in there.
asciilifeform: * billymg (~billymg@ has joined #trilema << oh hey welcome to rk, billymg
asciilifeform: quick learner, he is
BingoBoingo: How is rockchip life treating you billymg?
billymg: feels good :D
billymg: next step will be getting mp-wp setup so i can have a proper www
mircea_popescu: ever pressed anything before ?
billymg: i tried pressing trb on a gcc >5 gentoo box and iirc that went fine but make failed
billymg: logs seemed to indicate that trb on gcc > 5 simply won't work
mircea_popescu: so keep notes, and then there's your first article for free -- "how i pressed mp-wp to give self proper www".
asciilifeform: billymg: gcc >=5 is broken, this is clearly spelled out in the l0gz
billymg understands
billymg: it was my first gentoo build, so i went "easy mode"
billymg: will need to rebuild again on that box using
asciilifeform: billymg: you may want to try trinque's beta cuntoo, on local box, it ships with godly gcc.
billymg: asciilifeform: would love to try that out
asciilifeform: billymg: diana_coman is the current bleeding edge pilot user, she may be able to answer specific q's re practicals
billymg: mircea_popescu: that's the plan, hoping to publish a few "guide" posts
asciilifeform loox forward to reading
billymg: i must say it feels nice waking up and having meaningful work to do
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wake up and there's like... cool shit made! seemingly overnight!
asciilifeform: billymg: pretty much errybody here is at the stage where '1e6 hours worth of meaningful work, but only so many in life' -- but i gotta say i prefer this 'problem' to the alternative
trinque: btw my work for the day shall be getting phf's vtools into the cuntoo build, after which first cut should be done.
asciilifeform: trinque: this will rock. and incidentally i'ma be baking that sunlight lappy next wk, and intend to set it up as a cuntoo box with whatever bleeding edge you come out with
trinque: can't wait to see a post on that either
asciilifeform: ( my old workhorse x60 is not a cuntoo, it is in fact my original deloused-gentoo platform on which i derived the poetteringism-exclusion, gcc<5, etc flags and related items )
asciilifeform: the current rk gentoo is based on it
trinque: btw no insult meant to esthlos; we'll get an ebuild in there for his vtron as well, but he lacks a differ, and thus it's not a full v
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in materia obscura, permit me to befoul the logs with idiocy.
mircea_popescu: "We sat on chairs in the sun, and after we had been silent a long while, she began to do what women will never cease doing, so wise men say, as long as men say they love them, to define what the love of a man meant to a woman, and to explain the love of a man. She said that that man was wise who had said that love was like religion, and must be done well or not at all, but that she had never yet found in any man sincere love
mircea_popescu: and delicacy, for there was always something coarse, some little note which jarred, some movement of the mind and body maladroit, in a man who is shown a woman's love. "When men love and are not loved," she said, "often they kept their grace and pride, and women are proud to be loved by such men--even faithfully for more than ten years; but when men are loved and are confident, then they seem to lose delicacy, to think that l
mircea_popescu: ove breaks down all barriers between man and woman; that love is a vase of iron, unbreakable, and not, as it is, a vase of the most delicate and brittle pottery, to be broken to pieces by the least touch of a careless hand. They seem to think that the state of love stands at the end of a great striving; they do not realise that it is only the beginning, and that the striving must never cease, for without striving there is no
mircea_popescu: love, but only content. But they do not see that; they insist on spoiling love, breaking the vase with stupid, unconscious hands; and when it breaks they are surprised, and they say that love is a fickle thing and will stand no tests, and that women are the very devil. Always they spoil love; it comes and finds them helpless, puzzling whether to clothe themselves entirely in reserve or whether to be entirely naked in brutalit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: meanwhile i read the paste, it's exactly the 'peasants' thread encapsulated.
mircea_popescu: y; and generally they compromise, and, physically and mentally, walk about in their shirts."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ikr!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reads like 'ohnoez, donkey ate the carrot, how will he walk nao' lament
mircea_popescu: anyway, author of above vomit is NOT anglo, but ~armenian~. in his own words, "while for an Armenian, who soon realises that his nationality is considered as something of a _faux pas_, there are none of these things, and he is entirely lost in the wilderness, for there is no solid background to his existence in another's country; and, as the days lengthen out and he grows tired of walking in the Green Park, he comes to wonder
mircea_popescu: why his fathers ever left Hayastan; for it seems to me much better to be a murdered prince in Hayastan than a living vagabond in London."
mircea_popescu: so -- orc, century ago. still same idiocy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point being, the female perspective is somehow dominant in western discourse notwithstanding it is deeply irrelevant.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey there's a reason wai the armenians ate as much lead as they did
mircea_popescu: who THE FUCK cares what the slavegirl thinks about the hand holding the whip ?!
trinque: "conquered cultures long to eat the bunghole, noose at 11"
mircea_popescu: "oh herp derp brutality". woman, it's life. everything else is piss
mircea_popescu: what fucking "delicate vase".
mircea_popescu: delicate wankery.
asciilifeform: all wankery similarly 'delicate', hates reality as balloon hates pin
mircea_popescu: teh delicacy of queef bubbles.
mircea_popescu: (michael arlen, btw, to also provide in passing the answer to : "Dikran Kouyoumdjian")
a111: Logged on 2018-10-11 01:49 mircea_popescu: the punch line, being, i suppose -- guess the fellow's name.
Mocky is in no danger of being suave
mircea_popescu: Mocky how's suave go ?
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Suave is geographically and culturally relative
mircea_popescu: rrrrrriccco suaveee!
deedbot: << Qntra - Brits Ban TV Ad For Showing Healthy, Human Shaped, Female Model
mircea_popescu: i can see why they'd have to.
BingoBoingo: Can't condition Rotterdam to not want Theresa May
mircea_popescu: " after the watchdog received 22 complaints over her super slim appearance." << can you belive how few people still follow the "united kingdom" youtube account ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, as in the celebrated case of that caleb fucktard of fame -- i guarantee you the 22 complaints are 90%+ of the femwatchers, which are 90%+ of the total watchers.
mircea_popescu: thereby uk still has ~30 followers tops.
BingoBoingo still remembers the Irish/British/US college aged english teacher invasion of the hostel for a visa run
mircea_popescu: 5k lbs for a dozenish people ?
BingoBoingo: The chubbsters were SO BITTER they weren't getting attention from anyone but their hostage boys
mircea_popescu remembers the days he could eye-weight a herd of fillies for loading in cattle trucks ; he could get within 1% of true weight just by watching them stand ; at the time a 7 ton truck took ten to eleven dozen young whores.
BingoBoingo: And the hostage boys were so browbeaten they couldn't consider the local girls lest they become rapists
BingoBoingo: Prolly only 3500-4500 ish for a dozen ish girls, only one clearly at 300 lbs.
BingoBoingo: They'd get blackout drunk, shit the bed, and generally horrify the latinos unaccustomed to Madonna culture
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile they boys were just... broken
BingoBoingo: I mean they went to the mall with the pasty moo cows and came back with the same moo cows and not a single one of the fine specimens fo feminimity that populates the mall
BingoBoingo wonders what would have happened if the same visa run occurred during January bikini season
Mocky: probably same outcome BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Maybe? I could imagine one of the maygendered stabbing on of the boys for looking at the plentiful fields of ass.
Mocky: stabbing not needed if boy can be cowwed. what, mayogendered gonna start taking the more strenuous route now?
BingoBoingo: When they get black out drunk in the way basic anglophone bitches get, yes
BingoBoingo: There's a whole epidemic of this in England, fat pasty cows breaking drinkwear and maiming men interested in human shaped women
mircea_popescu: in other words, jesus god this is lovely -- whenever the girls meet the house's suddenly fulla giggles an' laughter.
BingoBoingo: Well, more shock and awe about the bedshitting
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, there are no men to start with, in the situation you describe
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Right, there's a small herd of boys
diana_coman: kind of doubt even that; cows on one side really makes for oxes or at most calves on the other, nothing more
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you know, unmolested calves grow into bulls ; ox is product of human industry.
mircea_popescu: in the immortal words of FU (felix unger), "you have to MAKE gravy, it doesn't just come!"
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I know, hence ox; ("at most calves" if BingoBoingo considers that they really are just boys)
trinque: << reviewed the db, 15 keys double-regged, of which 5 have been rated only on one nick, and 4 on both (adamgibbins / whoop, MTW / rainrawr, sina / herbijudlestoids, diana_away / Mocky), rest of the keys have no ratings.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 16:46 mircea_popescu: trinque she has a point, that table needs a unique on the fp column. deedbot can't accept registeration of keys it's already seen.
trinque: I figure now's a good time to purge the unrated. for the few with ratings on both, I can merge to the nick with earliest rating, or drop.
diana_coman: trinque, please drop the diana_away
trinque: probably the diana_coman / Mocky case indicates drop
trinque: diana_coman: indeed, will do
diana_coman: -> this triggered image of labyrinth, lol; "that's just what the Minotaur said - when sated"
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 18:36 mircea_popescu: in other words, jesus god this is lovely -- whenever the girls meet the house's suddenly fulla giggles an' laughter.
mircea_popescu: trinque honestly merging can't possibly work
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ahahaha could be, could be, possibly, possibly...
trinque: yep, I don't think so either. rater won't know where his rating went
mircea_popescu: me shall nao off to walk. todledoo!
trinque: I'll make an archive of current state before blowtorching unrated and latter-of-doublerated
trinque: cya!
trinque: << and done, unique set on fp col.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 16:46 mircea_popescu: trinque she has a point, that table needs a unique on the fp column. deedbot can't accept registeration of keys it's already seen.
deedbot: << Ossasepia - Results of Testing UDP - Take 2
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu : didja ever say wai not made'em all 1472 ?
asciilifeform: cuz if it's simply to distinguish the rsa from the symmetricolade without wasting a bit in the payload, could simply listen on 2 ports...
asciilifeform: would get much simpler coad (i.e. my orig. fixed frame) vs the extended one with moar moving parts.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, hmm, there is certainly a case for same size precisely because way simpler code
asciilifeform: plus would let you put the new acct thing, potentially, on separate box, in fyootoor
asciilifeform: just by rerouting
diana_coman: this was the orig discussion re sizes:
a111: Logged on 2018-10-02 16:25 mircea_popescu: ok, so this back of a digital envelope seems to suggest we want : 1. fixed size 1470 byte rsa packets, made to work with 3920-bit rsa (of which i presume the useful message size to be 1872 bit, diana_coman plox to confirm maffs ?). such a packet has then 1696 bits spare for e and bullshit.
asciilifeform: rright, i did read mircea_popescu's spec
asciilifeform: you wouldn't have to change anyffing else in about it, can pad the unused 2 bytes with rng.
asciilifeform: all udp packet carry port, it's settable to whatever you want just like the rest of the packet.
asciilifeform: simply a 16bit field.
asciilifeform: ( to nitpick painfully -- ~frags~ dun carry port; but you ain't fragging no moar, so this is not an issue )
diana_coman: the port/separate is not an issue at all; at any rate rsa will be processed separately by design (and with lower priority) - but all this part is of no direct concern here
asciilifeform: having 2 processes (and if desired later, 2 boxes) to process the 2 types, will make priority queue simpler also.
asciilifeform: i.e. simply run the acct one with 'nice 19 ...'
diana_coman: strictly from an implementation perspective I'd certainly prefer to have only ONE size of message to deal with - even if it means potentially that one has to check wtf it is; still, I'll wait for mircea_popescu to weigh in on this
asciilifeform: if you distinguish by port, the os will throw them into the correct process 'for phree'. but sure
asciilifeform: ( i.e. you dun have to 'check what it is' on top of existing logic, e.g. if port 9000 it goes to serpent, if 9001 -- to rsa , and each respective process validates per the existing rulez )
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf wouldja happen to have a frozen nonretarded version of bordeaux-threads somewhere ? the one i have, is utterly sad, squats nickname 'bt' which prevents binary-types from working...
asciilifeform: grr for fuck's sake what use is a bot that dun go half the time
asciilifeform: it's like two-legged stool.
asciilifeform thought, naively, 'binary-types itself is ~1k loc, why don't i fix ~that~... 6 hrs later...'
asciilifeform: hilariously, bug (if can call it that) reported as early as 2008, and... 0 published fix to either lib
a111: Logged on 2015-12-24 18:35 asciilifeform: 'if two trains meet one another on a track, neither shall move until the other has passed.' (supposedly from a 1880s american state law)
trinque: asciilifeform: it's !Qlater
asciilifeform: !Qlater tell phf wouldja happen to have a frozen nonretarded version of bordeaux-threads somewhere ? the one i have, is utterly sad, squats nickname 'bt' which prevents binary-types from working...
trinque: lol well lobbes I tried :p
asciilifeform: trinque: i dun suppose you have a cured binary-types ? ( cured, but presently fails to run when i strip away the asdfism so i can work it into my tree bodily )
asciilifeform: it's come to where i can't look at heathen coad for an hour without turning up an intractable barfology.
mod6: Hi there, just catching up on the l0gz
mod6: << Ok hanbot, this sounds great!
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 07:14 hanbot: anyway the idea is to have an exhaustive list of news outlets with their contact email made, after which i'll have her mail that blurb; i expect something like a week's turnaround, and will report when it's done.
mircea_popescu: trinque nice!
mircea_popescu: << yes ; cuz all 1470s go to one process and all 1472s go to a different one. eventually as a scalability thing could even go to diff box altogether. there's not so muchrelation between the two types.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 20:45 asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu : didja ever say wai not made'em all 1472 ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman 14721 or 14702 BITS long, not octets yes ?
mircea_popescu: << nah, they're different divisors.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 20:48 diana_coman: asciilifeform, hmm, there is certainly a case for same size precisely because way simpler code
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 23:49 trinque: asciilifeform: it's !Qlater
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